| 00:00.11 | Groxkiller98 | But they're not really expecting someone to tell them off for it. They're just grabbing what they can to establish themselves. |
| 00:00.25 | ImpyDroid | Wait wait wait what is going on |
| 00:00.27 | Groxkiller98 | They're certainly not expecting conflict. |
| 00:00.40 | ImpyDroid | Right, what do you have in mind Grox guy |
| 00:01.15 | Monet | Groxkiller98: But they'll still need some kind of forward command centre, right? |
| 00:01.28 | Groxkiller98 | It's kinda what they're establishing. |
| 00:01.29 | Monet | A mustering point perhaps. |
| 00:01.47 | Groxkiller98 | They're claiming a staging ground now. |
| 00:02.26 | ImpyDroid | Whaaat is going on |
| 00:02.55 | DrodoEmpire | Groxkiller has an idea where his fiction aggressively colonises/invades the Milky Way/Andromeda, pissing off the locals |
| 00:03.00 | ImpyDroid | Lel |
| 00:03.10 | Groxkiller98 | Also Mirus. |
| 00:03.16 | Groxkiller98 | Maybe. |
| 00:03.37 | Groxkiller98 | It's unlikely the Grand Teyan Empire would be that stupid though. |
| 00:04.02 | ImpyDroid | Iovera - https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=vuJJH2aLBi4 |
| 00:05.11 | ImpyDroid | What if it tried settling then preying on smaller states not under anyone's protection |
| 00:05.34 | Hachiman | >It's unlikely the Grand Teyan Empire would be that stupid though. |
| 00:06.09 | Hachiman | If they weren't that stupid, they wouldn't be attacking multiple galaxies and upsetting local super-/hyperpowers in a hostile campaign without an actual solid base of operations |
| 00:06.31 | Monet | Hachiman: Yeah the BoO element is what I've been suggesting. |
| 00:06.36 | ImpyDroid | What they could actually do is simply take over the Teyan Imperium |
| 00:06.49 | ImpyDroid | On the ground of it being an illegitimate government, which they technically are |
| 00:07.00 | ImpyDroid | And then work from there |
| 00:07.25 | Groxkiller98 | The Teyan Imperium at this point are far too established to them their parent nation take over. |
| 00:07.38 | Groxkiller98 | They're on the verge of a very one-sided war. |
| 00:08.08 | Groxkiller98 | Furthermore... Hachi, they don't know any superpower states exist yet. |
| 00:08.18 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=9lTc-a1_Pc8 If Tyraz was still alive, that would be Tyraz and Iovera's reaction |
| 00:08.33 | Groxkiller98 | They've just been establishing in two galaxies at an alarming pace. |
| 00:08.59 | Hachiman | So what you're saying is, they haven't even done their research |
| 00:09.10 | Hachiman | And you're trying to say the Grand Empire isn't stupid |
| 00:09.13 | Groxkiller98 | They're making first landfall. |
| 00:09.26 | Monet | They're mostly coming in and plan to build a foundation on the first small empires they crush. |
| 00:09.27 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Fucking kek |
| 00:09.29 | Groxkiller98 | After arriving from an entirely different Gigaquadrant. |
| 00:09.34 | ImpyDroid | Why are they not trying to scout their territory tho |
| 00:09.38 | ImpyDroid | It would make sense |
| 00:09.46 | Hachiman | Fucking TYRANIDS know how to scout better than these guys |
| 00:09.53 | Groxkiller98 | They've only got limited supplies. They need to land somewhere. |
| 00:09.53 | Hachiman | And Tyranids are fucking animals |
| 00:10.16 | Monet | Groxkilelr98: Then why waste even a small amount of resources on an invasion? |
| 00:10.39 | ImpyDroid | They could settle somewhere... you know... without any people |
| 00:10.52 | Groxkiller98 | It's not a technical invasion. They're settling down and claiming resources! |
| 00:10.55 | ImpyDroid | Especially without any people with huge guns and superweapons |
| 00:11.03 | Hachiman | From other people and occupying their territories |
| 00:11.04 | ImpyDroid | Why do it on settled territory tho |
| 00:11.08 | Hachiman | That's an invasion |
| 00:11.14 | ImpyDroid | There is plenty of unsettled space |
| 00:11.15 | Groxkiller98 | And in the process inadvertently, and accidentally piss off their new neighbors. |
| 00:11.23 | Monet | Dead planets tend to put up a fight much less than a planet filled with angry armed aliens. |
| 00:11.33 | Groxkiller98 | They're not trying to piss people off... T_T |
| 00:11.38 | ImpyDroid | Hell they could make a profit settling the isolated shards of Andromeda |
| 00:11.53 | Groxkiller98 | That's what they're doing! |
| 00:12.01 | Hachiman | Then how are they pissing people off |
| 00:12.04 | Groxkiller98 | They're settling, very very fast. |
| 00:12.20 | Groxkiller98 | They're kinda multiplying like rats. |
| 00:12.25 | Hachiman | They wouldn't piss people off for settling isolated shards of Andromeda and uninhabited territories of the Milky Way |
| 00:12.36 | Monet | What we're suggesting is they establish a command centre *before* throwing men at the local empires. |
| 00:12.50 | Groxkiller98 | Which they are doing. |
| 00:13.07 | Monet | Now I'm confused. |
| 00:13.12 | Hachiman | And you also just said that they're pissing people off by occupying their territory, which then isn't what you just said they're doing? |
| 00:13.14 | Groxkiller98 | THEN AFTER they are pushing away new neighbours and annexing claimed space. |
| 00:13.20 | Groxkiller98 | ... |
| 00:13.30 | Monet | Okay, okay. |
| 00:13.39 | Monet | Let's start again from the top. |
| 00:14.16 | Hachiman | Why would these advanced aliens not have any idea of the inter-/extragalactic media and arm themselves with knowledge of the powers that inhabit and reign over the territories they're looking to take? |
| 00:14.17 | Groxkiller98 | They are settling, creating infrastructure, building their military, and THEN expanding through annexation AFTER having established a primary command center. |
| 00:14.18 | ImpyDroid | So that is how it could go: they start settling en masses finding a relatively uninhabited zone |
| 00:14.23 | ImpyDroid | However it is not enough |
| 00:14.40 | Groxkiller98 | That was my exact thoughts, Impy. >_> |
| 00:14.43 | ImpyDroid | And at some point they see a small empire and decide "Why not just fuck them up and take their stuff" |
| 00:14.46 | Monet | Right so that's that part settled. |
| 00:14.47 | ImpyDroid | So they do |
| 00:14.58 | Groxkiller98 | That's exactly what happens. |
| 00:15.05 | ImpyDroid | HOWEVER this empire runs off to cry to the Andromedan Light |
| 00:15.17 | Groxkiller98 | Then the Teyan Imperium notice, and validate the claims. |
| 00:15.20 | ImpyDroid | Cue Teyans getting rek'd |
| 00:15.24 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah. XD |
| 00:15.39 | Groxkiller98 | You explained it far better than me. >_> |
| 00:15.44 | Hachiman | And the Teyan military *intelligence* didn't predict that would happen? |
| 00:15.49 | ImpyDroid | I think it will work best if you start in one galaxy |
| 00:16.05 | Monet | Hachiman: We've established they'll land on unoccupied planets first. |
| 00:16.08 | Hachiman | "Oh hey guys we could potentially start a domino with this, best not do that" |
| 00:16.17 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid: I didn't really base it it on anything, and it needs a change |
| 00:16.27 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Being overconfident at least is possible, they could presume the PAE wouldn't care |
| 00:16.39 | ImpyDroid | Case in point: Pearl Harboe |
| 00:16.42 | ImpyDroid | *Harbor |
| 00:16.47 | Hachiman | "We have NO allies while these smaller local empires are under the protection of a far more vast and powerful organisation of equally high tier civilisations" |
| 00:16.50 | Wormy_ | Liquid made me one though which I hsaven't yet uploaded |
| 00:16.56 | Wormy_ | Goodnight |
| 00:17.03 | Hachiman | Night |
| 00:17.09 | Monet | goodnight |
| 00:17.10 | Groxkiller98 | They have all the reason to be overconfident! They've not experienced defeat in multiple eons! |
| 00:17.12 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: What if this was an ostensibly neutral state though |
| 00:17.19 | ImpyDroid | And not actually a PAE state |
| 00:17.28 | Groxkiller98 | That was my thought. |
| 00:17.33 | Monet | They could arrive in Exterioris. |
| 00:17.40 | ImpyDroid | Teyans would be "Ahhh whatever" |
| 00:17.50 | Groxkiller98 | Then the Teyan Imperium run off to the PAE, and get them involved. |
| 00:17.58 | ImpyDroid | And here we go, turns out the PAE did care |
| 00:18.07 | Groxkiller98 | Suddenly, war. |
| 00:18.08 | Hachiman | Or the state could turn to the PAE and the PAE would think "oh these guys are causing trouble, best sort them out before they start harming OUR guys" |
| 00:18.25 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: It is stupid but within the realm of possibility |
| 00:18.29 | Monet | Spacetime shards in Exterioris are much smaller and more numerous as they are closer to the Glow. |
| 00:18.35 | ImpyDroid | It is the realistic kind of stupid |
| 00:18.56 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Also that is the plan |
| 00:19.02 | Groxkiller98 | It's immense overconfidence and hubris more than stupidity. |
| 00:19.18 | Hachiman | That still kinda equates to stupidity |
| 00:19.40 | Hachiman | Their plan isn't really all that smart in the slightest and it's like they've got no backup stratagems |
| 00:19.58 | Hachiman | Or feel like they have any alternative options like diplomacy when they're a *recovering* state |
| 00:20.17 | Groxkiller98 | Which has no idea they will face military opposition. |
| 00:20.26 | Groxkiller98 | Can you not read that part? |
| 00:20.35 | Groxkiller98 | They're not expecting a serious fight. |
| 00:20.35 | DrodoEmpire | Don't be a dick |
| 00:20.36 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: It is however something a country with a warrior culture, and without a place to go, could try |
| 00:20.45 | ImpyDroid | Case in point: Mongols |
| 00:20.52 | DrodoEmpire | Its fine if they run in not expecting a fight |
| 00:20.55 | DrodoEmpire | But if you want that |
| 00:21.01 | DrodoEmpire | Expect to get stomped |
| 00:21.06 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: Was that to me or |
| 00:21.07 | DrodoEmpire | And be happy with that outcome |
| 00:21.10 | DrodoEmpire | Groxkiller |
| 00:21.13 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 00:21.16 | Groxkiller98 | The point is they get stomped! |
| 00:21.25 | Monet | If they arrive in Exterioris there's a chance that their presence could go unnoticed by the PAE until it becomes too established to kick out easily. |
| 00:21.26 | Groxkiller98 | The entire point is it all backfires massively! |
| 00:21.27 | DrodoEmpire | Alright, if that's honestly what you wan |
| 00:21.29 | DrodoEmpire | *t |
| 00:21.31 | DrodoEmpire | Chill |
| 00:21.48 | ImpyDroid | One of the explanations behind Genghis's conquests, one that Gumilev supported, is that ecological events necessitated them to migrate |
| 00:22.13 | ImpyDroid | Right, so now we have a more or less sensible picture |
| 00:22.29 | ImpyDroid | The Teyans are being overconfident, but it makes sense in-universe |
| 00:22.55 | ImpyDroid | For the PAE it is less of a galaxy-wide emergency and more of a local crisis |
| 00:23.40 | ImpyDroid | "Look some faggots here trying to get to our turf, refugees not welcome, Andromeda First, gtfo" |
| 00:23.45 | DrodoEmpire | I can see the Drodo taking it upon themselves to sort out the Teyan invasion of the MW |
| 00:23.47 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:23.56 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: Oh, so last night as Mali I had the brilliant idea to have me and Morocoo declare war on the combined power of the Iberians. Despite a huge difference in combined forces and half of Africa getting blockaded I beat them six times in a row in battle, even stackwiping almost the entire Portuguese army. XD Even got the concessions I wanted from |
| 00:23.56 | Tek0516 | them. :P |
| 00:24.13 | ImpyDroid | inb4 the PAE constructs a literal spacetime wall around the Teyans |
| 00:24.13 | DrodoEmpire | olol |
| 00:24.18 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 00:24.22 | Groxkiller98 | >_> |
| 00:24.25 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah... |
| 00:24.52 | Groxkiller98 | But the Grand Teyan Empire push in, build a foothold, and accidentally piss off the new neighbors. |
| 00:25.29 | Groxkiller98 | Then get sent back to where they're entrenched with their tails between their legs. |
| 00:25.49 | Monet | The Teyan could be overconfident but they're still an empire that has lost everything. |
| 00:26.21 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah, which is why they entrench first, and establish a foothold. |
| 00:26.33 | ImpyDroid | Also I think it would be better if you focused on one galaxy |
| 00:26.47 | Monet | I think even the most egostitical of (competent) generals will figure that they can't invade as though the old Empire behind them. |
| 00:27.02 | ImpyDroid | Andromeda is the best place because nothing is happening here and a fleet of dumb refugees arriving could spice things up |
| 00:27.59 | Groxkiller98 | Well, they kinda think they've got their old empire behind them. It's that ingrained into them. |
| 00:28.12 | Groxkiller98 | Such a dramatic shift would need time to be processed. |
| 00:29.28 | Monet | I iamgine the generals will be divided |
| 00:30.26 | Tek0516 | After years of travel they'd have no logistics to support them and dwindling supplies. |
| 00:30.28 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah. |
| 00:30.49 | Groxkiller98 | They'd also be desperate to reestablish themselves. |
| 00:30.53 | Tek0516 | Hardly ideal for an offensive. |
| 00:31.02 | Groxkiller98 | It's be a 3-way split in thought process. |
| 00:32.00 | Monet | I imagine the commanders who insist on acting like nothing has happened get shot down by more level-headed commanders who see that no amount of patriotism can substitute a dwindling supply store. |
| 00:32.34 | Groxkiller98 | But that dwindling supply means they need a new source of income. Fast. |
| 00:32.56 | Groxkiller98 | And with such a huge population to support, that means claiming a lot of space. Again, fast. |
| 00:34.32 | Groxkiller98 | Either way, no choice is a good one. |
| 00:35.05 | Tek0516 | War is a very inefficient way to claim living space, considering most of the land and supplies are already being used by someone else. |
| 00:35.26 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah, but these are also warriors who live on war. |
| 00:35.45 | Groxkiller98 | If you wanna point fingers at illogical warmongering, go look at the Imperium of War. |
| 00:35.59 | Tek0516 | A starving warrior low on ammo isn't very effective. |
| 00:36.15 | Hachiman | Difference there is that the IoW can afford to be illogical warmongers |
| 00:36.18 | Groxkiller98 | The Grand Teyan empire is making a desperate move that isn't 100% practical, but will work. |
| 00:36.33 | DrodoEmpire | Tek0516: Ehh |
| 00:36.44 | DrodoEmpire | I think back to the migration period |
| 00:36.50 | Groxkiller98 | Well, the Grand Teyan Empire is also setting up an establishment FIRST. |
| 00:37.13 | DrodoEmpire | Which was basically a bunch of starving barbarian tribes bashing down the gates of Rome and taking food and land and gold for themselves |
| 00:37.28 | DrodoEmpire | The Teyans *could* have the same pillaging mentality-- but it wouldn't be very dignified |
| 00:37.29 | DrodoEmpire | They |
| 00:37.49 | DrodoEmpire | *They'd resemble far more a procession of armed refugees than a state in exile |
| 00:37.59 | Groxkiller98 | ^ |
| 00:38.26 | DrodoEmpire | So, really, they may feel they have no choice |
| 00:38.30 | Groxkiller98 | There's no exile about it. They're finding a new home the only way they know how, after their last one was ripped away from them by gods. |
| 00:38.32 | DrodoEmpire | I'll roll with it |
| 00:39.22 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: Fucking refugees trying to get their law all over our galaxy |
| 00:39.30 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 00:39.31 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 00:39.32 | ImpyDroid | Teyan rayguns |
| 00:39.47 | Groxkiller98 | Basically, yes. This is a refugee empire with a violent streak. |
| 00:39.56 | Groxkiller98 | Not every move people will make every will be logical. |
| 00:40.16 | Hachiman | So, detracting away from the topic a little bit |
| 00:41.16 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
| 00:41.23 | Hachiman | How would you guys feel if it was effectively confirmed that we are all living in and are products of a universe-wide simulation and what would effectively be a form of 'sub-reality' |
| 00:41.36 | Hachiman | The whole "holographic / artificial / simulated universe" deal |
| 00:41.38 | DrodoEmpire | Hm |
| 00:41.42 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Welcome to Gnosticism |
| 00:41.50 | DrodoEmpire | I've nearly driven myself mad thinking about this very idea |
| 00:41.50 | ImpyDroid | Yaldabaoth is trying to fuck us over |
| 00:41.53 | Groxkiller98 | Matrix confirmed. |
| 00:42.06 | ImpyDroid | Fortunately we have Sophia so we can reunite with the Monad |
| 00:42.06 | DrodoEmpire | The conclusion i've come to is that its ultimately irrelevant |
| 00:42.14 | ImpyDroid | FUCK Yaldabaoth right |
| 00:42.15 | Monet | I'm not too bothered. It doesn't exactly change my life. |
| 00:42.25 | Hachiman | That's what I figured |
| 00:42.34 | Monet | Live in the moment! |
| 00:42.35 | ImpyDroid | If we were bothered, we would be like fucking Gnostics |
| 00:42.59 | DrodoEmpire | Becuase at a scale so huge so as to emcompass the entire universe-- everything we will ever know-- what is and isn't 'real' almost becomes relative at that point |
| 00:43.02 | ImpyDroid | Forsaking all flesh and being all around crazy either being super ascetic or absolutely depraved |
| 00:43.16 | DrodoEmpire | This universe, 'simulated' or not, is all we will ever know so it may as well be real |
| 00:43.38 | ImpyDroid | And I honestly want neither because I value my existence here |
| 00:43.54 | ImpyDroid | Actually I retract my statement, GLORY TO YALDABAOTG |
| 00:43.58 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:43.59 | ImpyDroid | *YALDABAOTH |
| 00:44.23 | Hachiman | Why bother worrying about the fact that our universe is a simulation if we both cannot change it and the simulation simulates reality effectively or convincingly enough |
| 00:44.44 | Hachiman | And that the revelation in itself does not inherently actually affect us |
| 00:44.49 | DrodoEmpire | Right, exactly |
| 00:45.04 | Monet | It's not like the walls of reality come crashing down. |
| 00:45.08 | ImpyDroid | As I said glory to Yaldabaoth |
| 00:45.13 | DrodoEmpire | And then there's the fact that the 'real' universe would actually be alien to us anyway |
| 00:45.18 | Hachiman | On a scale such as society and religion, however |
| 00:45.24 | Monet | At least...this isn't one of those "walls of reality crash" moments. |
| 00:45.32 | ImpyDroid | Well as I said, look at Gnostics |
| 00:45.42 | Hachiman | Yeah, Gnosticism is a good way of looking at it |
| 00:45.50 | ImpyDroid | Most Gnostics believed that the real world is disgusting and as such shunned it |
| 00:46.08 | ImpyDroid | Because it was a lie made by Yaldabaoth |
| 00:46.16 | DrodoEmpire | Such a revelation wouldn't be terribly groundbreaking, I don't think. Its already a common enough trope as it is and it wouldn't factor into *anybody's* life |
| 00:46.31 | ImpyDroid | Some people would turn to these religions |
| 00:46.41 | ImpyDroid | And teachings |
| 00:46.47 | DrodoEmpire | If such a thing were conclusively proven, we might see a religious reformation yeah but not the end of society |
| 00:46.54 | DrodoEmpire | And probably not a significant change, either |
| 00:47.17 | Hachiman | It's funny how for such a significant revelation about the reality around us, its impact would be relatively insignificant |
| 00:47.29 | Monet | I'm more concerned with Jean Baudrillard's proposal of hyperreality and the Desert of the Real. |
| 00:47.41 | Hachiman | Run those past me? |
| 00:48.27 | Monet | Essentially he proposed that a person's worldview would become so saturated with fiction they stop being able to distinguish the difference. |
| 00:48.50 | DrodoEmpire | Hachiman: Well, its similar to how the revelation that the heliocentric model effected the broader society |
| 00:49.15 | Monet | I suppose you could say the guy predicted post-truth almost 30 years ago. |
| 00:49.20 | DrodoEmpire | Despite being a complete revolution in the way man saw its place in the cosmos, it didn't concern anybody but the top tier of academics for centuries |
| 00:49.41 | Hachiman | Hm, suppose that makes sense |
| 00:49.56 | DrodoEmpire | And never factored into, say, the Italian peasant who's just trying to make a living and hopes the Milanese don't come and burn down his farm in another feudal conflict :p |
| 00:50.23 | DrodoEmpire | *revelation of the heliocentric model |
| 00:50.28 | Monet | The Itallian Renaissance changed everything for the few, and nothing for the many. |
| 00:50.36 | DrodoEmpire | Well, I wouldn't say that |
| 00:50.56 | DrodoEmpire | The Renaissance ushered in the early modern period, and it started with an intellectual revolution. |
| 00:51.05 | Hachiman | Thing is, with such a revelation, does that mean humanity is a product of actually intelligent design, or are we still a cosmic accident that came as a result of something that happened due to set parameters and physics within our reality |
| 00:51.17 | Monet | WHich until the 1800s was confined among the wealthy. |
| 00:51.22 | DrodoEmpire | The thing is, the fruits of these new ideas took centuries to "trickle down" to the common people in the form of any benefit |
| 00:51.35 | DrodoEmpire | Hachiman: Depends yeah |
| 00:51.38 | Monet | Yeah that's sort of what I meant |
| 00:52.09 | DrodoEmpire | It *may* be a possible explanation for the Fermi paradox, but I still think the more mundane explanation of imprecise instruments and the way light works is to blame for that |
| 00:52.24 | DrodoEmpire | rite |
| 00:52.37 | Hachiman | Basically, we're living in Sppore |
| 00:52.39 | Hachiman | Spore* |
| 00:52.47 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:52.58 | Monet | Until the Age of Enlightenment, the peasant-folk were for the most part unaware of what was going on in the heart of Florence or Milan. |
| 00:53.26 | DrodoEmpire | Pretty much |
| 00:54.17 | Hachiman | "Oh, the universe is a simulation? ... Can it simulate more food on my table or more gas in my car?" |
| 00:54.30 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:55.22 | DrodoEmpire | I suppose its always been practical and realistic mindsets that kept society afloat-- this revelation would be no different |
| 00:55.48 | Monet | The Almighty Musk is pretty chill about it. |
| 01:01.21 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.27 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 01:05.14 | Monet | Hachiman: I think you may have encountered him in a chatroom once. |
| 01:05.26 | Hachiman | Eh? |
| 01:05.45 | Monet | Possibly. |
| 02:16.58 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 04:37.56 | DrodoEmpire | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/215/569/7be.jpg |
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| 12:26.52 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: The cloud serpent you get from the Glory achievement has some sort of "ethereal" filter on its voice |
| 12:27.00 | OluapPlayer | Farming it was worth it |
| 12:27.01 | Imperios | Huh |
| 12:27.10 | Imperios | Never noticed that, how do the normal serpents sound? |
| 12:27.29 | OluapPlayer | Oh yeah you don't have any normal ones to compare with |
| 12:28.21 | OluapPlayer | It's difficult to explain. But normal ones sound more dragon-like and natural, while the Glory one sounds like it's a spirit of some sort |
| 12:28.59 | OluapPlayer | I envy anyone who has the one that drops from the Sha of Anger |
| 12:29.03 | OluapPlayer | Now THAT one looks fantastic |
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| 12:46.01 | Imperios | Also, since that new legendary of mine is for healers I'll probably respec to Mistweaver |
| 12:46.17 | Imperios | I is medic now |
| 12:47.32 | OluapPlayer | I was gonna ask if that artifact was good |
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| 12:50.17 | Imperios | I gained like 6 item levels with it |
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| 12:57.27 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 12:57.49 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:57.50 | Liquid_Ink | Hey |
| 13:02.53 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
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| 13:30.22 | Imperios | Hi Vall |
| 13:30.28 | Imperios | Nice work on that Missionistus section |
| 13:31.53 | Vall | Hey Imperios |
| 13:32.59 | Vall | Thanks |
| 13:33.10 | Vall | Next is the Narzass page |
| 13:33.39 | Vall | Btw is their ideology ok for the league? |
| 13:33.48 | Imperios | http://i.imgur.com/AFOBZMU.png I have been trying to make a more complex flag for them |
| 13:34.55 | Imperios | I'd say it is, maybe they are a bit too militant but if they are not constantly crusading their actions will probably be accepted |
| 13:35.00 | Vall | What if you remove the blue background |
| 13:36.23 | Vall | And change the emblem to a light yellow? |
| 13:36.30 | Vall | Would that look good? |
| 13:38.46 | Imperios | Hm, changing the emblem's colour could work |
| 13:38.59 | Imperios | Not sure about the background though |
| 13:44.43 | Vall | Then I would suggest a golden color for the emblem |
| 13:45.45 | Vall | Perhaps we can modulate their crusades in fiction |
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| 13:58.11 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 13:58.51 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 14:03.25 | Imperios | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGbdZUCl9CA Hachiman: Seen this? |
| 14:04.24 | Imperios | Wormy_: Actually you might be interested in this, that's a Kazakh production |
| 14:04.54 | Imperios | Kazakhstan's government has long talked about making an answer to Borat, and this might be something equally fucked up |
| 14:08.00 | Hachiman | This looks like a bad foreign B movie thing |
| 14:08.47 | Imperios | Because it is |
| 14:08.56 | Imperios | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/bullets-of-justice-movie-action#/ There we go |
| 14:17.34 | Hachiman | Who are all those migrants coming in from the Middle East? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Dasyrians |
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| 15:01.33 | Imperios | Hachiman: BUILD WALL IMMEDIATELY |
| 15:01.40 | Imperios | SHOOT THE BOATS |
| 15:02.04 | Hachiman | >making Trump jokes just as Oluap enters |
| 15:02.12 | Hachiman | It's like you want to annoy him hur |
| 15:07.22 | Imperios | That was not a Trump joke |
| 15:07.28 | Imperios | That was a... Hungary joke I suppose |
| 15:07.41 | Imperios | America lacks refugee problems I believe |
| 15:07.49 | Imperios | OR rather theirs are not as profound |
| 15:08.37 | Imperios | ...Bah who cares you're right, sorry |
| 15:24.57 | Technobliterator | I wonder if I will buy a Switch this year or wait until next year |
| 15:25.00 | Technobliterator | and see if it has more games |
| 15:26.03 | OluapPlayer | I don't see it as worth buying at launch unless you really want to play the new Zelda |
| 15:27.31 | Technobliterator | the new Zelda and Mario Kart 8 are the main things I'm hyped for |
| 15:27.49 | Technobliterator | I really hope they introduce some backwards compatibility |
| 15:28.11 | OluapPlayer | There isn't any |
| 15:28.13 | OluapPlayer | At least not yet |
| 15:39.52 | DrodoAway | test |
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| 15:56.34 | OluapPlayer_ | Imperios: http://82332411.deviantart.com/art/Sha-warcraft-509980486 wow this looks good |
| 15:57.22 | DrodoEmpire | Oh nice |
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| 16:01.08 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 16:01.14 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 16:02.13 | Imperios | OluapPlayer_: Just finished the wine quests |
| 16:04.31 | OluapPlayer_ | Nice |
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| 16:31.17 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
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| 16:41.17 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 16:41.25 | DrodoEmpire | (to both of you) |
| 16:58.40 | Wormy_ | lava firehose http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38825330 |
| 17:03.22 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:219661 :o |
| 17:06.56 | OluapPlayer_ | How inconvenient |
| 17:07.07 | OluapPlayer_ | Doing featured fiction will be a hassle without top 10 lists |
| 17:07.43 | Groxkiller98 | Damn. |
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| 17:16.51 | DrodoEmpire | Ah, brb |
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| 17:25.57 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: Tell your bosses to fuck off please |
| 17:26.17 | Hachiman | At Wikia or Fandom or whatever they want to call themselves |
| 17:26.33 | Wormy_ | Why? |
| 17:27.04 | Wormy_ | Its good they are telling us this time instead of abruptly getting rid of it without notice. |
| 17:27.07 | Hachiman | I dunno, I saw the thing about removing voting and top 10 lists and whatnot and thought "what's the point" |
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| 17:29.09 | Wormy_ | I find it funny how they call themselves "Fandom" |
| 17:29.30 | Wormy_ | Its the worst thing you could label yourself collectively as. |
| 17:29.50 | Tek0516 | Talking about Wikia? |
| 17:32.11 | Wormy_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:219661 |
| 17:33.28 | Tek0516 | Hm. |
| 17:33.48 | Wormy_ | It sounds like a considerable portion of the system's entries were used by us |
| 17:33.55 | Tek0516 | Huh |
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| 17:36.56 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: But yeah, I've never particularly liked Wikia's fandom rebranding. |
| 17:37.36 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 17:41.12 | Tek0516 | More for the shift to its clickbait-y "fandom" articles and away from a central focus on the wikis itself, rather than the lame name itself |
| 17:43.33 | Wormy_ | Yes, call me a wiki zombie but it feels as though the quality of wikis have declined as the number has expanded, of course Wikia are probably making more money this way by attracting more clicks and users and from pressure to modernise close and design |
| 17:44.36 | OluapPlayer | As long as they fulfill their function of providing information, I don't care for what a wiki calls itself |
| 17:44.45 | Wormy_ | I prefer a more Wikipedian style wiki which focuses on editing, pages and community directioin |
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| 17:48.26 | drom | Apparently there are more than just two who use "drom" after all |
| 17:48.27 | drom | :V |
| 17:48.29 | drom | Hi |
| 17:50.08 | Wormy_ | ey up |
| 17:56.35 | drom | Not much. Watched a bunch of Discord friends argue about the book awards and how low their bar are. |
| 17:56.54 | drom | Specially when I mentioned Ascillary Justice |
| 17:58.58 | drom | It is... inspiring |
| 17:59.16 | drom | to write stuff, or do world building |
| 18:05.04 | Hachiman | I'll have to check that out |
| 18:06.15 | drom | book awards are full of shit whatever the genre |
| 18:06.15 | drom | due to their nature they'll always(edited) |
| 18:06.15 | drom | a) appeal to the most accessible/widely appealing book, encouraging mediocrity, cliche and unsophistication in the genre |
| 18:06.15 | drom | b) select the thing that's the most arty (or that has cool-sounding gimmicks) so that the people voting for them can believe they're smart and/or arty for 'getting' them |
| 18:06.16 | drom | and c) make already successful books even more successful because people don't usually read every bloody book on a list just so they can vote for one |
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| 18:14.04 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 18:14.22 | Xho | [SOME VAGUE REFERENCE TO A GREETING] |
| 18:14.32 | DrodoEmpire | kk |
| 18:15.05 | drom | [waves hand in Spanish] |
| 18:15.46 | DrodoEmpire | [apologises in Canadian] |
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| 18:18.46 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 18:18.49 | dino82_ | hi |
| 18:20.21 | Wormy_ | I had a nap and dreamt I was on IRC, someone said something political and Drodo said "yeahno". And now I have pins and needles |
| 18:20.38 | DrodoEmpire | olol |
| 18:21.09 | DrodoEmpire | Sounds like a nightmare <.< |
| 18:21.52 | Wormy_ | Not the first time you lot have been typing away in my dreams. |
| 18:22.16 | drom | Interesting |
| 18:23.54 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/E8W3BHF.jpg |
| 18:50.19 | Wormy_ | Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/xSymf7l.jpg |
| 19:04.55 | Xho | Hm what to do |
| 19:05.00 | Xho | I really should do some wiki editing |
| 19:05.58 | drom | Suggest me what to do, Xho |
| 19:06.01 | Wormy_ | Xho: Just remembed, I didn't show you the demonputer http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Tzquuucha.png |
| 19:06.07 | Xho | dis ain't ur game here |
| 19:06.22 | drom | But I don't know what to do |
| 19:06.34 | Xho | Wormy_: "Is your name existential error because 404 EXISTENCE NOT FOUND" |
| 19:07.14 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 19:07.23 | Hachiman | By the way, since people are sort of here and I wouldn't really know where to put this regarding the forums, suppose I should make a small announcement |
| 19:08.10 | Xho | ur quittin the wiki |
| 19:08.25 | Hachiman | Come February 20th, I will be moving to the south of France with my family and staying in my stepfather's mother's home for an indefinite amount of time, although we're possibly looking at the scale of months |
| 19:08.39 | Xho | Nice |
| 19:09.42 | Hachiman | What this means is that my availability for writing fiction and being active on the IRC will almost certainly be affected, and until my parents manage to find a new residence for themselves in the country, my availability, in the event that such is possible, will be dramatically more reduced |
| 19:10.14 | Xho | Not as nice |
| 19:10.33 | DrodoEmpire | Ah, alright. |
| 19:11.29 | Hachiman | And when I say, "on the scale of months", the likelihood is three months and / or more |
| 19:12.15 | Xho | I think it's a better thing than living by yourself on benefits |
| 19:12.22 | Xho | You'd be driven mad by boredom |
| 19:12.44 | Wormy_ | I both envy you, but also know you weren't happy about it. But I hope you find a way to be available. I will await the return of lapin baguette |
| 19:14.03 | dino82_ | @Wormy/Drodo: Oh nightmares! |
| 19:22.48 | Wormy_ | I think this theme fits SCUTER https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD1VwuguAqw |
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| 19:25.44 | Monet | hi |
| 19:25.57 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 19:26.06 | dino82_ | hi |
| 19:30.37 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzGaWLOUoAAhDQC.jpg:large AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 19:31.21 | Wormy_ | crazy how nature does that |
| 19:33.45 | Monet | Tek0516 DrodoEmpire: I don't quite know how but in one of the Stellaris tweets I replied to a guy saying about a teaser picture "I don't know what this is but it's really cool and I want one" |
| 19:34.10 | Monet | My reply somehow got almost 12,000 views |
| 19:34.36 | DrodoEmpire | Holy shit |
| 19:35.11 | Monet | All I did was say "I was thinking the same thing" |
| 19:41.51 | Wormy_ | "As above, so below" said the ancient Hermetic alchemists https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1892545/ |
| 19:46.19 | drom | Hachiman: Best of luck, buddy. |
| 19:47.04 | Hachiman | Yeah well I'm gonna need it if I don't want to completely fucking hate it |
| 19:47.31 | Xho | lol learn french batard |
| 19:47.45 | drom | To learn frog language, you must become a frog. |
| 19:47.48 | Hachiman | Every option I was given, whether moving to France or staying in the UK, was shit |
| 19:48.39 | Xho | Imperios: "In Spode there is peace. Elsewhere, there is only death." Angazhar - boy you got that right |
| 19:48.53 | drom | Got you a degree from some college or university, Hachiman? |
| 19:49.08 | Hachiman | It was either go to France, or stay with my sister as a resident so she can get a four bedroom house and endure the fucking toxic bullshit that goes on in her household for months on end without proper accommodation while being discouraged from searching for a flat for myself because then my sister would kick me out and I'd just go to France anyway |
| 19:49.19 | Hachiman | drom: Multiple diplomas from college |
| 19:49.43 | drom | Ah. No one is really interested in them? |
| 19:49.46 | Xho | Eh moving to another country sounds interesting anyway, even if it is France |
| 19:50.22 | Wormy_ | If it was in the country, you'd be living my dream |
| 19:50.31 | Hachiman | It is in the country |
| 19:50.49 | Xho | lol wormy and hachi switch places pl0x |
| 19:50.53 | Wormy_ | Not necessarily France, anywhere really that in the countryside with lots of land |
| 19:50.54 | Hachiman | The middle of fucking nowhere with farmland, woodland, and fields for miles while any hint of civilisation is ages away |
| 19:51.11 | Xho | As long as you have an internet connection |
| 19:51.15 | Hachiman | It's France |
| 19:51.20 | Hachiman | *South* France |
| 19:51.32 | drom | Aka the stone-age part of France? |
| 19:51.34 | Hachiman | Any internet connection you *could* get there would be shit |
| 19:51.34 | Xho | As long as you have an internet connection |
| 19:51.35 | Hachiman | Yes |
| 19:51.44 | Wormy_ | South France have less a rude attitude towards us Brits I know that |
| 19:52.14 | drom | Sounds like Sweden |
| 19:52.19 | Hachiman | Only because they don't tell Brits what they think and just keep it to themselves while they judge you from the comfort of their homes |
| 19:52.48 | Wormy_ | Hachi: Imagine the loud parties you could host in the country |
| 19:52.57 | Hachiman | Parties with *who* |
| 19:53.14 | Wormy_ | With the people you will end up imagining |
| 19:53.18 | drom | Us, in Xho's little car. |
| 19:53.35 | Wormy_ | You can paint a football with a face and call it "bob" |
| 19:53.41 | Hachiman | WILSON |
| 19:53.47 | Xho | I won't have a car come October |
| 19:53.47 | Wormy_ | That was it, yeah |
| 19:53.50 | Xho | Selling it for $$$ |
| 19:53.59 | Xho | And I'll be going to uni so screw having a car lol |
| 19:54.16 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.54 | Hachiman | I've no idea |
| 19:54.55 | drom | Hell. I'd kill for a car if it weren't for my inegilbility to get a driver's license |
| 19:55.03 | drom | I hate commuting 200 kms |
| 19:55.08 | drom | Well. |
| 19:55.10 | Wormy_ | I never want to drive on the roads. Ever. |
| 19:55.12 | drom | 400 kms per day |
| 19:55.12 | Xho | It's funny that everyone I know wants to drive but I myself don't like driivng |
| 19:55.17 | Xho | Well Wormy ok |
| 19:55.40 | Xho | Meanwhile on the wiki I'm tempted to redo the Sun Drakes |
| 19:55.49 | Wormy_ | Couldn't handle the stress of other people and maintaining the vehicle. |
| 19:55.56 | Xho | I dunno whether the serpentine model still fits them or I could just rehash the serpentine look |
| 19:56.09 | Wormy_ | I would and have driven off-road |
| 19:56.45 | Wormy_ | Hachi: Will you be near the coast, or inland a fair way? |
| 19:57.04 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Serpentine dergon or normal dergon |
| 19:57.21 | OluapPlayer | A dragon at all |
| 19:57.21 | Hachiman | Inland |
| 19:57.25 | Xho | get fokt for ur lack of opinion m7 |
| 19:57.42 | Wormy_ | Okasy if I was in a warmer country I'd pick somewhere nearer the coast |
| 19:57.44 | DrodoEmpire | Hachiman: The countryside is nice tho >: |
| 19:57.46 | Xho | Eh screw it I'll stay with the serpentine dragon |
| 19:57.48 | DrodoEmpire | Cities are ass <.< |
| 19:58.02 | Xho | The only city I'd like to live in is something Tokyo |
| 19:58.05 | Xho | Other than that, screw it |
| 19:58.07 | Wormy_ | I feel like walking around Nottingham could lead to sudden death |
| 19:58.13 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 19:58.27 | drom | I'd dig the thought of living in Amsterdam though |
| 19:58.35 | Wormy_ | hur |
| 19:58.46 | Xho | #smokeweedeveryday# |
| 19:59.02 | drom | Goddamnit, it was supposed to be a secret! |
| 19:59.21 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2TO5atI4rU Here we go |
| 20:00.15 | Wormy_ | its amazing how factual this actually is http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Nottingham |
| 20:00.46 | drom | Nottingham, more like Nothingham |
| 20:01.08 | Xho | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.11 | Xho | oh god |
| 20:02.40 | Wormy_ | They worship the thief Robin Hood there |
| 20:02.50 | Hachiman | "Nottingham has also been twinned with Baghdad since November 2003 and shows similarities in its values and culture. In fact many people have mistaken it for the Iraq capital, most notably George Bush who deployed 3000 U.S Marines to the city in Spring 2004." |
| 20:03.28 | Xho | kek |
| 20:03.37 | Wormy_ | Radford gun shop https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3016/2836064966_f9611eb6aa.jpg |
| 20:03.40 | Wormy_ | seriously |
| 20:03.45 | dino82_ | @Drom: That is a bad image Amsterdam has |
| 20:04.36 | Wormy_ | "Radford - Statiscally, you have a greater chance of meeting an unnatural death here by standing outside the KFC than anywhere else in the country." |
| 20:04.46 | Wormy_ | Yeah I got stung in the neck near there by a bee |
| 20:06.18 | Wormy_ | And these people are real too http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Nottingham#People.2FPlaces |
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| 20:17.27 | Luxor | aye |
| 20:21.02 | Luxor | let me guess, someone stole your sweetroll? |
| 20:21.54 | DrodoEmpire | yes |
| 20:21.56 | DrodoEmpire | >: |
| 20:23.42 | Luxor | What is it? Dragons? |
| 20:29.15 | drom | dino82_: The cannabis cafes? |
| 20:29.26 | dino82_ | yeah |
| 20:29.47 | DrodoEmpire | I don't think a place where weed is legal is a bad look <.< |
| 20:29.48 | drom | I can imagine that |
| 20:30.07 | DrodoEmpire | Just sensible |
| 20:30.24 | drom | @DrodoEmpire: For people whose values scorn drugs like cannabis, it is big deal. |
| 20:30.46 | DrodoEmpire | I know >.< |
| 20:30.55 | DrodoEmpire | But I disagree with their values so I don't care |
| 20:31.15 | drom | For one, when a group of school pupils managed to win a debate about legalisation of cannabis, here, in Sweden. |
| 20:31.21 | drom | It spured a great deal of morale panic |
| 20:31.32 | Monet | Legal cannibis tends to be cleaner than the shit the Cartels push. |
| 20:32.42 | Wormy_ | I think they can be tools to explore the inner space and push cultural boundaries, but not the only. |
| 20:36.24 | Luxor | Looking at so-called "weed" (or "grass" in polish) cannabis and many more alkaloids are heavily addictive and very harmful for human body. |
| 20:36.43 | Luxor | Nonethless, these proof to be useful in terms of medicine. |
| 20:37.03 | Luxor | We can honestly say we're going back to brews and herbs. |
| 20:37.24 | Monet | There are supposedly cannaboid receptors in the brain. |
| 20:37.28 | DrodoEmpire | ...They're not addictive or harmful to human body |
| 20:37.41 | DrodoEmpire | Depending on how you ingest it, its not harmful |
| 20:37.48 | DrodoEmpire | Smoking *anything* will damage the lungs |
| 20:38.02 | Monet | But I'm with Drodo that sounds like the stuff said to send people away from cannibis |
| 20:38.16 | DrodoEmpire | But yeah its not addictive and its not possible to OD on |
| 20:38.35 | drom | Browines won't do harm |
| 20:38.35 | DrodoEmpire | Yes you sound like a propagandist from the 1950s Luxor >.< |
| 20:39.02 | Monet | My school once tried to raise smoking awareness, they talked about TAR (I learned by 18 this is not tarmac-tar) in the lungs, they said the damage by smoking cannibis is permanent |
| 20:39.23 | DrodoEmpire | 'Reefer Madness' wasn't an accurate portrayal of the drug, just so you know |
| 20:39.51 | DrodoEmpire | Well, yeah, smoking is bad for you. |
| 20:39.56 | Monet | While my mum was told at some point a single whiff of second-hand cannabis smoke can get you addicted. |
| 20:40.10 | DrodoEmpire | I take it they neglected to mention that there are other ways to ingest the stuff? |
| 20:40.10 | Luxor | Fun fact: dihydrogen monoxide is a lethal chemical compound. Everyone who ever came into contact with it was reported dead. |
| 20:40.17 | DrodoEmpire | Water >.> |
| 20:40.39 | Monet | I've heard that on the contrary, coffee is more addictive than cannibis. |
| 20:40.39 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:40.39 | drom | Inhalation of anything remotely harmful for your lungs are usually permanent. |
| 20:40.39 | DrodoEmpire | Absolutely |
| 20:40.46 | drom | Yeah, coffee is addictive |
| 20:41.00 | Luxor | @drom inhaling everything except fresh air harms your lungs |
| 20:41.03 | Luxor | blame the evolution |
| 20:41.03 | DrodoEmpire | There's been hypotheses that *sugar* is addictive at some level |
| 20:41.07 | dino82_ | @Drom: Yeah most people in the netherlands find it gives a bad image for the NL |
| 20:41.19 | drom | I found out I can't handle coffee well and I tried to quit it. But I always find myself returning to it like once a month. |
| 20:41.25 | Luxor | dang it, even oxygen is toxic at some level |
| 20:42.07 | drom | Spends on the pressure and air composition |
| 20:42.10 | drom | Depends* |
| 20:42.33 | Luxor | not really |
| 20:42.49 | Monet | Oxygen is, well, an oxidiser |
| 20:42.52 | Luxor | ^ |
| 20:43.07 | Monet | High concentrations make things burn. |
| 20:43.58 | Monet | Pure oxygen is toxic. One can pass out from oxygen overexposure |
| 20:44.48 | Imperios | Wormy_: Remember when you said you'd like to remake the DCP flag? |
| 20:44.52 | Monet | dino82_: I think people are focusing too much on the negatives of cannabis. |
| 20:44.59 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:45.17 | dino82_ | @monet: True perhaps idd |
| 20:45.27 | DrodoEmpire | Frankly it might be a matter of Holland being ahead of the curve with this stuff. Once cannibis becomes legal and accepted in the States that stigma's all over |
| 20:45.32 | Monet | "Every Dane is a layabout pothead"..yeah hahano |
| 20:45.34 | Imperios | I've been fiddling with concepts and made this http://i.imgur.com/85gb6vU.png |
| 20:45.46 | drom | Every Dane is a drunk |
| 20:45.47 | drom | period |
| 20:45.59 | Monet | Oh wait I meant DUtch |
| 20:46.05 | dino82_ | Yeah as the image most US people have is that theentire NL is on cannabis adn smokes weed |
| 20:46.09 | Monet | I always get those two words mixed up. |
| 20:46.36 | drom | Monet: There is Chrisitana though |
| 20:46.38 | dino82_ | that is not something that people here appreciated and is actually wrong. it isn't legal in the netherlands either, only tolerated |
| 20:46.47 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 20:47.00 | DrodoEmpire | Eh, it should just be legal >.< |
| 20:47.02 | drom | Christania, even |
| 20:47.08 | Monet | dino82: Every country has their misconceptions thanks to misinformation. |
| 20:47.17 | drom | CHRISTIANIA |
| 20:47.18 | Monet | And stereotypes |
| 20:47.26 | drom | Bloody danes making names hard to remember |
| 20:47.33 | Xho | Hachiman OluapPlayer Imperios: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/69/SunDrake2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20170201204335 giant ass sun snake dragon thing |
| 20:47.37 | DrodoEmpire | Frankly, almost every drug should be legal and regulated. Many of the health issues that come with drug use come from shit quality and social circumstances of the user |
| 20:47.53 | dino82_ | @monet: haha true |
| 20:48.11 | Hachiman | Looks more like a naga |
| 20:48.17 | Monet | The English ones are mostly positive, but still plenty wrong. |
| 20:48.34 | Monet | But Scotland and Wales? Bloody hell |
| 20:48.36 | DrodoEmpire | Making these drugs heavily regulated and legal means that you'll undercut these problems, cripple organised crime, and have lots of tax money :p |
| 20:48.40 | drom | Xho: snek |
| 20:48.50 | DrodoEmpire | sunsnek |
| 20:48.54 | Monet | Even Canada is misrepresented though stereotypes and they're right next door. |
| 20:49.04 | DrodoEmpire | What are some stereotypes? xD |
| 20:49.21 | Luxor | Canada... |
| 20:49.26 | Monet | Well there's Sorryland, Lumberjacks, and pancakes. |
| 20:49.30 | Xho | eh |
| 20:49.35 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 20:49.38 | drom | sorry, eh |
| 20:49.40 | Luxor | and many more |
| 20:49.51 | DrodoEmpire | Being overly apologetic is actually probably somewhat true |
| 20:49.53 | Monet | Amusingly the lumberjacks one is from Monty Python, which is British XD |
| 20:50.06 | Luxor | ni |
| 20:50.13 | DrodoEmpire | A lot of people here I find tend to be a understated, quiet, and polite when in public |
| 20:50.17 | DrodoEmpire | *a bit understated |
| 20:50.19 | Imperios | Our stereotypes are... well |
| 20:50.28 | Imperios | There are many stereotypes of Russians |
| 20:50.30 | drom | Imperios: "Liberators" |
| 20:50.31 | Luxor | Russia is a fun country |
| 20:50.36 | Imperios | Which ones would you say are the most prominent ones? |
| 20:50.42 | Monet | "Robin I'm proud of you, eh" |
| 20:50.43 | Imperios | Luxor: (((Liberators))) |
| 20:50.48 | Luxor | :^) |
| 20:50.50 | DrodoEmpire | That's a tough one Imperios |
| 20:51.04 | drom | There are a plenty in Sweden |
| 20:51.10 | Imperios | Luxor: I bet the Russians were behind these |
| 20:51.14 | Imperios | The Eternal Cyka |
| 20:51.16 | Luxor | You can't talk about Russia without mentioning gopniks and vodka tbh |
| 20:51.19 | DrodoEmpire | Modern Russia generally has an image of a place where just the weirdest, dumbest shit happens |
| 20:51.24 | Luxor | and cs:go rage players |
| 20:51.38 | Imperios | >the weirdest, dumbest shit happens |
| 20:51.39 | drom | 1. Ultimas whose intelligect is inferior to the planks they wield |
| 20:51.41 | DrodoEmpire | But we love it for that <.< |
| 20:51.43 | Imperios | That's completely true |
| 20:51.45 | drom | 2. Drunks |
| 20:52.02 | Imperios | Considering I am BOTH Russian and Asian, I think I should abstain from driving altogether |
| 20:52.03 | Monet | Britain gets a lot of flak from second-ammewndment enthusiasts who wonder how we survive when guns are practically outlawed. |
| 20:52.06 | drom | 3. Finns, but turned up to 11, and without suicide |
| 20:52.10 | Luxor | kek |
| 20:52.18 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: That's untrue as well |
| 20:52.27 | DrodoEmpire | Gun laws aren't actually horribly tight in the UK |
| 20:52.36 | DrodoEmpire | Tighter than US or Canada, but not outlawed |
| 20:52.43 | Monet | This is my point. |
| 20:52.46 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 20:52.47 | drom | 4. Low-key communists waiting for the grand time to restore the time of Soviet's glory. |
| 20:52.52 | Luxor | I'd like to make some fun out of my country though our government does it for me |
| 20:53.00 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Oh wow, I like it |
| 20:53.15 | Monet | Farmers are still have shotguns, and they're legally permitted to own them. |
| 20:53.24 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: https://s23.postimg.org/e4xaxkuzv/Revolver_Ocelot_Revolver_Ocelot.png |
| 20:53.27 | Imperios | I based it on the Soviet Navy flag that you liked |
| 20:53.39 | Technobliterator | hahahaha |
| 20:54.01 | Wormy_ | Imperios: I think it could be a DCP naval emblem |
| 20:54.08 | drom | It even carried over to Facepunch? |
| 20:54.10 | drom | Oh wait |
| 20:54.26 | Wormy_ | Liquid_ink's already made me a flag but I am supposed to edit it before uploading |
| 20:55.03 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: Come to think of it I ge the feeling a lot of stereotypes are pre-1970s. |
| 20:55.25 | DrodoEmpire | Many are old, yeah |
| 20:55.29 | drom | Stereotypes. |
| 20:55.45 | drom | Now when we talk about that, what are your views on Swedes? |
| 20:55.59 | Luxor | 1650-1655 never forget |
| 20:56.13 | drom | Best time ever |
| 20:56.26 | Monet | drom: Long live Gustavus Adolphus, even in death. |
| 20:56.28 | Luxor | Livonia is rightfull polish clay |
| 20:57.04 | drom | Yeah. Long live the real king |
| 20:57.07 | Monet | Other than that I don't know much about Sweden to make generalisations. |
| 20:57.10 | Luxor | Sweden reminds me mainly of eu4 memes, especially "Hard" or "Thott" dynasty regarding how sweden looked like by then |
| 20:57.37 | Monet | Well...apart from *,maybe* how I hear you're introverted enough you make us Brits look like Italians. |
| 20:59.01 | Luxor | we have no jokes about brits in Poland tbh |
| 20:59.20 | drom | Yeah, don't intrude my personal space, you escaped mental convict. |
| 20:59.46 | Luxor | mainly because Poles in Britain want to keep their jobs |
| 21:00.11 | drom | We joke about Poles being car thieves |
| 21:00.26 | Monet | Luxor: Yeah the Polish stereotypes here are uh..."plus-ungood" |
| 21:00.31 | drom | And that they paint their cars accordingly to prove that they are poles. |
| 21:00.38 | Luxor | kek |
| 21:00.47 | Luxor | actually these jokes suit Czechs and Germans |
| 21:00.49 | DrodoEmpire | Oh yeah the car thief stereotype |
| 21:00.53 | DrodoEmpire | That one's funny <.< |
| 21:01.05 | Luxor | I mean they have much fun saying them |
| 21:01.17 | Luxor | and tbh it's not a surprise for me |
| 21:01.38 | drom | It suits any Baltic country as well. |
| 21:02.26 | drom | As they there is a tendacy where cars stolen from Sweden will end up at a scrapyard or a cheap car reseller at any Baltic country. |
| 21:02.40 | drom | But that was ages ago |
| 21:02.51 | Luxor | Russian, Pole and a German are crossing the riven on a bridge. Suddenly, a wild satan appears on the other side and says: "I won't let you through unless you bring me what is most common in your country" |
| 21:03.10 | Luxor | So they go back to their countries, and soon Pole comes with a potato |
| 21:03.20 | Luxor | Satan says: " put dis in your butt" |
| 21:03.26 | Luxor | "and I'll let you through" |
| 21:03.35 | Luxor | Pole does that, goes through. |
| 21:03.49 | Luxor | Next comes German in a Volkswagen Passat. |
| 21:03.54 | Luxor | Satan tells him to do the same thing |
| 21:04.08 | Luxor | He tries hard, yet satan lets him go through the bridge |
| 21:04.19 | Luxor | And then german bursts with laughter |
| 21:04.24 | Luxor | Pole asks: what happened? |
| 21:04.42 | Luxor | "Vadim is coming in a tank" |
| 21:05.37 | Luxor | That's but a part of "polish humour" |
| 21:05.39 | drom | <insert obligatory occupcation joke here> |
| 21:06.27 | Luxor | Dang I feel bad for telling that awful joke |
| 21:06.30 | drom | Xho Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/5ApIdH8.jpg |
| 21:06.39 | Xho | superfloof |
| 21:06.53 | Monet | Floofy! |
| 21:08.38 | Wormy_ | looks fat to me |
| 21:09.43 | drom | Considering it is at a place where the availablity of food is quite liberal, it is a possibility. |
| 21:11.19 | Luxor | Fun map: https://out.reddit.com/t3_5rf8cv?url=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FejllrzG.jpg&token=AQAAo1ySWKzOvkOxa6ySpELqbVy4-PppQ_antbnI4qltVsce7_nB&app_name=reddit.com |
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| 21:11.33 | DrodoEmpire | Back, fuck |
| 21:11.53 | drom | Luxor: Grab the link from the URL bar please :( |
| 21:12.00 | Luxor | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.17 | drom | kurwa |
| 21:12.49 | Luxor | You're from sweden and thus not permitted to use that word |
| 21:13.16 | drom | KURWA |
| 21:13.24 | Luxor | wait, that's actually first time I see anyone from Sweden say "kurwa", even twice |
| 21:13.44 | Luxor | Flag of Phoenix in Arizona: https://i.reddituploads.com/6878f0f464b9484e940b57de3a3a73d8?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=4c1ad932036437868e07f789e597e15d |
| 21:13.48 | Luxor | That's a hella good flag |
| 21:14.04 | Luxor | I'll make sth similiar for SVAF |
| 21:15.57 | drom | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/sNFRaqA.jpg |
| 21:16.12 | Xho | eep |
| 21:17.50 | Luxor | Xho drom: http://i.imgur.com/8Rrwkxq.jpg |
| 21:18.02 | Xho | huh well |
| 21:18.37 | Luxor | hurr: https://i.imgur.com/vMHbwxK.gifv |
| 21:19.19 | Wormy_ | http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/38827122/this-woman-got-a-snake-stuck-in-her-earlobe |
| 21:20.05 | drom | wtjmfcob |
| 21:20.09 | Luxor | http://i.imgur.com/3mwzWA5.jpg |
| 21:20.56 | dino82_ | bye bye |
| 21:21.24 | Luxor | well, bed calls me |
| 21:21.26 | Luxor | cya |
| 21:23.22 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Sun_Drake Eh kinda redid this |
| 21:23.51 | drom | http://trumpdonald.org/ - Worth it |
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| 21:33.54 | drom | Monet: Which method do you think is the best way to paint hair? |
| 21:35.08 | Monet | Uhhh.... |
| 21:35.25 | DrodoEmpire | nigga why are you painting hair |
| 21:35.29 | DrodoEmpire | You *dye* hair |
| 21:35.35 | DrodoEmpire | >.> |
| 21:36.01 | Xho | I think he means photoshop |
| 21:37.26 | drom | When I thought DrodoEmpire was joking. http://i.imgur.com/x39iBnQ.png |
| 21:38.00 | drom | But yeah, I meant drawing/painting hair in either Photoshop or Krita |
| 21:38.57 | Monet | Phoytoshop a simple answer is try the brushes with visible bristles. |
| 21:39.30 | Monet | Those brushes are really good at hair if you want strands. Getting hair to look like hair with all the gloss, that's a bit harder. |
| 21:39.46 | drom | Yeah. I can imagine that |
| 21:39.59 | drom | Specially when you've to account shading and the position of your lighting |
| 21:40.05 | drom | lightning, even |
| 21:40.53 | Xho | God dammit why are student housing groups so hard to get into |
| 21:42.29 | Technobliterator | This is why I didn't bother and just lived in halls |
| 21:43.02 | Monet | Spend the first year in halls yeah |
| 21:43.15 | drom | I'm spending my first year with my parents. |
| 21:43.15 | Xho | Well I can't do halls |
| 21:43.22 | Monet | By the end of year 1 you might have a few peopel you know who you can live with in the subsequent years. |
| 21:43.22 | Technobliterator | I have spent two years in halls |
| 21:43.34 | Xho | Fuck if I'm staying at home because I'll be 23 during uni |
| 21:43.47 | Technobliterator | This year, I'm in private off-campus halls, though |
| 21:44.07 | Monet | Xho: https://www.studenttenant.com/ I used this site to find somewhere |
| 21:44.37 | Technobliterator | oh, I can't remember which one I used to get my place |
| 21:44.43 | Xho | Brighton doesn't exist on there |
| 21:44.45 | Xho | 10/10 |
| 21:44.54 | drom | wow |
| 21:44.56 | Technobliterator | First year I stayed in halls on campus and it sucked |
| 21:44.57 | Technobliterator | :| |
| 21:45.04 | Technobliterator | Brighton is the one you're going to? |
| 21:45.16 | Xho | Well sort of but yes |
| 21:45.25 | Xho | I don't really want to go into the details |
| 21:45.42 | drom | Yeah. When I was looking for a place to live near the campus I studied at. The first thing I was visiting was a three-story hall. |
| 21:45.45 | drom | Never again |
| 21:45.53 | Technobliterator | Fair enough |
| 21:46.53 | Monet | Halls are functional, they don't offer much beyond that |
| 21:46.56 | drom | And there are already tons of people who had waited for years and years for better and cheaper private on-campus flats |
| 21:47.04 | drom | It sucks |
| 21:47.05 | Technobliterator | yeah they suck |
| 21:47.39 | drom | So, I am grateful I am commuting 400 kms per day than sitting in a smelly shithole. |
| 21:48.15 | Monet | Pansies. |
| 21:48.16 | Technobliterator | I will only have to commute 20 minutes next year :o |
| 21:48.29 | Technobliterator | After which, I will be done with education 8D |
| 21:48.33 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 21:48.35 | Wormy_ | I used to commute to my first uni that sucked and contributed to my decision to leave after the first year |
| 21:48.36 | Technobliterator | you guys use blender, right? |
| 21:48.44 | drom | I do |
| 21:48.53 | Monet | Maya |
| 21:48.55 | drom | But I am pretty rusty since it has been a while I used it |
| 21:48.56 | Technobliterator | I am using it for one of my modules |
| 21:48.58 | Wormy_ | Now I stay near my university but stay with relatives |
| 21:48.58 | Technobliterator | It's super fun |
| 21:49.08 | Wormy_ | Maya and 3DS Max |
| 21:49.22 | Technobliterator | ah |
| 21:49.24 | Monet | AFAIK everyone in the industry uses either Maya or 3DS Max. |
| 21:49.27 | Technobliterator | I think we use Blender because it's free |
| 21:49.37 | drom | I'm studying three years for Graduate/Bachelor's degree in Computer Engineering |
| 21:49.54 | Technobliterator | BSc in CompSci w/ Japanese here :o |
| 21:50.02 | drom | Currently at first year. I am also planning on moving to an other university to upgrade my degree to master's. |
| 21:50.08 | Monet | Autodesk offers a free full licence for students. |
| 21:50.10 | Xho | Japanese tho |
| 21:50.10 | Wormy_ | Msc Computer Science with AI |
| 21:50.27 | Technobliterator | AI is part of my compsci course |
| 21:51.12 | Xho | My course basically getting to wreck people with guitar skills |
| 21:51.14 | Xho | Gonna be fun |
| 21:51.21 | Wormy_ | I'm moving onto the modules I want to do this semester: simulation, information visualisation and computability, then a summer thesis |
| 21:51.26 | Monet | I feel like I'm supporting the Artist in Poverty in I didn't really mind my time in Halls or find it shit. |
| 21:51.56 | Technobliterator | I got used to it, but I definitely hated it |
| 21:52.29 | Monet | My philosophy is sometimes you have to get uncomfortable if you want to live. |
| 21:52.51 | Wormy_ | I want to extend my study of game engines in sci-vis and simulations |
| 21:52.55 | drom | Monet: Living in the halls is actually few times more expensive than staying with my parents and commuting from there, paying only for the food and a small rent fee. |
| 21:53.03 | drom | Which is nice... |
| 21:53.13 | Technobliterator | Mine is that being uncomfortable is a good motivation to try and work harder to live in less uncomfortable conditions :V |
| 21:54.19 | Monet | Well I'm not just referring to housing. |
| 21:54.32 | drom | Oh |
| 21:54.38 | drom | Apologizes :P |
| 21:54.42 | Monet | I felt that living in Halls was a good kickstart to really living on my own. |
| 21:54.51 | drom | It is |
| 21:55.09 | Technobliterator | I felt homesick for the first few months, but I got used to it |
| 21:55.21 | drom | Except I already did so for three years. I want a genuine flat and that is it. |
| 21:56.08 | Technobliterator | I want to live in a high-rise appartment |
| 21:56.20 | Technobliterator | I don't really want to try and pay for a house |
| 21:56.20 | drom | Touché |
| 21:56.35 | Technobliterator | only to have to drive further to work |
| 21:57.08 | Monet | Do what I did and get a cheap house like five minutes from uni |
| 21:57.15 | Monet | Oh wait Cali |
| 21:57.17 | drom | My dream is building a nice house by a house. |
| 21:57.24 | drom | okay |
| 21:57.31 | Wormy_ | I want to live in the country, which is hard if you are going to do computer science |
| 21:57.32 | drom | I wasn't watching what I was typing |
| 21:57.50 | drom | I want to live in the country, build a nice house next to a lake. |
| 21:57.58 | drom | In middle of the forest |
| 21:58.07 | Technobliterator | I would not recommend living outside the city if you're going into that kind of field, no |
| 21:58.09 | Wormy_ | I want to live near mountains |
| 21:58.24 | Technobliterator | I am too used to living in urban environments, alas |
| 21:58.35 | Technobliterator | Everywhere seems so tiny :| |
| 21:59.02 | drom | I'd be fine living in suburban or a small spread community. |
| 21:59.23 | drom | Country buses is a big plus |
| 22:00.37 | Monet | Technobliterator: Get uncomfortable heh. |
| 22:00.46 | Technobliterator | haha yeah |
| 22:01.06 | drom | Move to a rough neighbour hood |
| 22:01.11 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.13 | drom | That should teach you, they said |
| 22:01.19 | Technobliterator | I lived in a rough neighbourhood :| |
| 22:01.35 | Technobliterator | I would not recommend it |
| 22:01.36 | Technobliterator | brb |
| 22:01.48 | Wormy_ | Where I stay in Notts is pretty rough |
| 22:01.54 | Monet | Interestingly aside from the pensioners on the street I probably lived in the most nicely-decorated house on the street. |
| 22:02.16 | drom | Anyway, it was nice talking and all. But now I need to go to sleep so I can endure commuting for four hours for a one and a half hour lecture on mathematics |
| 22:02.17 | Wormy_ | In one year there was several murders, a hit and run, cars burned out |
| 22:02.20 | drom | Bye bye |
| 22:02.25 | Wormy_ | goodnight |
| 22:03.25 | Wormy_ | im not used to it though |
| 22:03.40 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.45 | Wormy_ | I live in a small town surrounded by hills and fields and stone walls |
| 22:04.27 | Wormy_ | lots of pubs though |
| 22:04.33 | Monet | In my case got a clear message that the neighbours didn't want us down there. We weren't one of "them" |
| 22:05.00 | Wormy_ | "you in wrooong neighborhood" |
| 22:06.08 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.29 | Monet | Also Debenhams' lines. |
| 22:07.35 | Xho | It's quite amazing what clothes can do |
| 22:08.27 | Monet | Indeed it is. |
| 22:09.25 | Monet | I'd look out of place going to my old neighbourhood now. |
| 22:10.01 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.27 | Xho | Looks nice until that monumentally ugly thing in the middle |
| 22:10.36 | Xho | Oh right that's the town |
| 22:10.37 | Xho | doi |
| 22:10.50 | Wormy_ | Its where the town expanded around |
| 22:10.57 | Xho | My condolences |
| 22:11.03 | Wormy_ | What you are looking at is the first high rise factory in the world |
| 22:11.14 | Wormy_ | Derbyshire ladies and gentlemen |
| 22:11.32 | Xho | yay |
| 22:11.46 | Monet | Well Xho was right with 'monumental' |
| 22:11.46 | Wormy_ | Also revolutionary for being fire proof |
| 22:11.58 | Xho | I'M ALWAYS RIGHT EXCEPT WHEN I'M WRONG |
| 22:12.03 | Xho | THEN I'M ONLY HALF RIGHT |
| 22:13.09 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.23 | DrodoEmpire | There's an old factory from the mid 19th century where I live too |
| 22:13.28 | DrodoEmpire | Still in operation, actually |
| 22:13.33 | DrodoEmpire | Employs a ton of people |
| 22:14.14 | DrodoEmpire | Looks a bit like that, though smaller and more spread-out perhaps |
| 22:15.05 | DrodoEmpire | I'd show an image, but it'd give away which town i live in its so notorious <.< |
| 22:15.26 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.31 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
| 22:16.35 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.20 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.48 | Technobliterator | Monet, this may well be true :o |
| 22:20.50 | DrodoEmpire | Oh huh |
| 22:27.41 | DrodoEmpire | https://i.imgur.com/WJcAmdF.jpg I mean yes? |
| 22:28.56 | Technobliterator | Pffft |
| 22:38.01 | DrodoEmpire | Hey tech, would you want to write that space station fiction thing? ;o |
| 22:38.03 | DrodoEmpire | *:o |
| 22:38.11 | Wormy_ | I didn't know William Shatner was Canadian |
| 22:38.49 | DrodoEmpire | Yep |
| 22:39.19 | Wormy_ | Or is |
| 22:39.33 | DrodoEmpire | https://imgur.com/gallery/0DFEB |
| 22:42.47 | DrodoEmpire | "What does Bill say to Hillary after sex? I'll be home in 20 minutes." |
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| 22:49.59 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: "Hillary will say "I did not have textual relations with that server"" |
| 22:50.08 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
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| 22:53.00 | DrodoEmpire | https://i.imgur.com/O4x02gM.jpg |
| 22:59.54 | Tek0516 | Well that's disappointing. The liberals have abandoned electoral reform. |
| 23:01.52 | Liquid_Ink | Riot |
| 23:01.56 | Liquid_Ink | Force them |
| 23:02.16 | Tek0516 | I was really hoping Trudeau would do it. |
| 23:02.54 | Liquid_Ink | Protest. Don't let him leave parliament until he does it. |
| 23:06.36 | DrodoEmpire | "Yeah! Political violence is a-ok!" |
| 23:07.47 | Liquid_Ink | "Let's just hide under our beds and hope everything gets better!" |
| 23:08.06 | DrodoEmpire | Wow, almost like there's a middle-ground you're ignoring there champ |
| 23:08.45 | DrodoEmpire | Petition and -peacefully- protest. Don't stage a revolt the minute your leaders drop the ball |
| 23:09.07 | DrodoEmpire | I say this as someone who isn't a great fan of Trudeau to begin with |
| 23:09.20 | Liquid_Ink | A peaceful protest will just be ignored. It need not be violent, but it has to be disruptive. |
| 23:09.41 | DrodoEmpire | Peaceful protests include civil disobedience, and that's a really hasty assumption |
| 23:10.46 | DrodoEmpire | And that's not the only thing-- ridicule, petition, and public outrage are all powerful weapons the people can use |
| 23:11.46 | Xho | https://youtu.be/W8EUUvlgVeU?t=31s Average Fiction Universe conversation |
| 23:12.14 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 23:14.40 | DrodoEmpire | Also disruptive to who? |
| 23:14.50 | DrodoEmpire | And in what way? |
| 23:14.58 | Xho | I think Community is effectively the Fiction Universe condensed into a TV show |
| 23:15.03 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 23:15.22 | Liquid_Ink | Disruptive to the government |
| 23:15.25 | DrodoEmpire | I haven't watched enough of it >: |
| 23:15.45 | Liquid_Ink | [09:03] <Liquid_Ink> Protest. Don't let him leave parliament until he does it. |
| 23:15.45 | DrodoEmpire | And how may you go about that, without potentially endangering innocent people? |
| 23:15.50 | Liquid_Ink | That's pretty disruptive. |
| 23:15.54 | DrodoEmpire | Oh you meant that literally? |
| 23:16.04 | DrodoEmpire | That's besieging government property, in that case |
| 23:16.06 | DrodoEmpire | Which is |
| 23:16.08 | DrodoEmpire | You know |
| 23:16.14 | DrodoEmpire | On the border of domestic terrorism |
| 23:17.29 | DrodoEmpire | I'd sooner change the system itself through ideas and political pressure than through violent acts, because violence doesn't solve things like this |
| 23:17.37 | DrodoEmpire | It just causes needless suffering |
| 23:18.00 | Liquid_Ink | I never said violent. What I'm suggesting is more along the lines of a sit in. |
| 23:18.16 | Monet | Also is there much valance in essentially holding politicians prisoner until they pass what you want them to? |
| 23:18.34 | ImpyDroid | Like the Tennis Court Oath? |
| 23:19.05 | DrodoEmpire | If its a sit in, thay's more a form of civil disobedience and its hardly "not letting them leave" |
| 23:21.01 | Liquid_Ink | Whatever action is taken, it needs to actually cause inconvienience to the politicians. A petitions will be ignored. A peaceful protest will be ignored. Ridicule will be ignored. Public outcry wears off. |
| 23:21.15 | DrodoEmpire | Bullshit |
| 23:21.35 | DrodoEmpire | Just |
| 23:21.38 | DrodoEmpire | Bullshit |
| 23:22.14 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIoMaidXq0 Meanwhile in Cyrannus |
| 23:22.17 | DrodoEmpire | We live in civil society where we elect our leaders. Harsh criticism and skepticism of our public officials can and does bring about change |
| 23:22.32 | DrodoEmpire | Its how Canada kicked out Harper |
| 23:22.56 | Liquid_Ink | I have signed so many petitions demanding the Australian government close the offshore detention centres on Manus and Nauru. Those horrible facilities still operate. There have been so many protests against the Australian treatment of refugees, and yet we still turn them back and lock them in offshore detention centres. |
| 23:23.33 | DrodoEmpire | As much as some governments may try, they *cannot* not listen to their populace. The US government got away with being an Oligarchy all these years but people got fed up, and now we see mass antiestablishment support |
| 23:23.59 | Monet | Well...what are these detention centres being used for and why might they be kept open? |
| 23:24.00 | DrodoEmpire | Then your country sucks...? |
| 23:24.03 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry |
| 23:24.24 | Liquid_Ink | Monet: They're basically concentration camps. They lock up the refugees and leave them to die. |
| 23:25.17 | Monet | https://www.ft.com/content/f561446a-6462-11e6-a08a-c7ac04ef00aa then what's this? |
| 23:25.30 | Monet | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37104363 |
| 23:26.02 | DrodoEmpire | The conditions, if wikipedia is to be believed, seem quite poor |
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| 23:26.27 | DrodoEmpire | Though I suppose what should be noted is that the Nauru population of the camp is at 390 and dropping |
| 23:26.46 | DrodoEmpire | Doesn't justify the suffering of 390 individuals, but its worthy of noting |
| 23:26.53 | Monet | I'm seeing numerous reports from six months ago that the Manaus centre was to be closed. |
| 23:27.28 | Liquid_Ink | And yet it didn't. |
| 23:27.35 | DrodoEmpire | Either way, the perceived failure of your country's government to adequately respond to petition and peaceful protest doesn't invalidate the idea |
| 23:27.41 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry comrade, no revolutions for you :p |
| 23:28.20 | DrodoEmpire | (joking) |
| 23:28.50 | Xho | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT9yTdaymgo |
| 23:28.52 | Monet | Well according to wikipedia negotiations for smoothly closing it are ongoing. |
| 23:29.05 | Hachiman | seen dat |
| 23:29.18 | Xho | aw |
| 23:29.18 | DrodoEmpire | Ah, BRB |
| 23:29.36 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16299518_1836924476556029_1900368073315829521_n.jpg?oh=8a73577871c64b900f2e8ab89c93afcc&oe=5918B62C "American soldiers desecrate an Italian soldier's corpse. (1944. Colourised)" |
| 23:30.08 | Xho | seen dat |
| 23:30.14 | Monet | Refusing to close it is going to anger the government of Papua New Guinea. |
| 23:30.24 | Xho | That was probably one of the smartest comments I've ever seen |
| 23:31.10 | Liquid_Ink | If it closes, I garantee you they'll not be brought to Australia. Our government is committed to making sure these people don't get to Australia. They'll be shuffled to Nauru, or sent somewhere else in the constant refugee trading deals we make. |
| 23:31.32 | Liquid_Ink | Our foreign minister made a trip to Iran to negotiate sending refugees there of all places |
| 23:33.44 | Monet | It's better than simply indefinitely refusing to open the doors |
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| 23:34.05 | DrodoEmpire | Back |
| 23:38.56 | ImpyDroid2 | Liquid_Ink: >sending refugees to fucking Iran |
| 23:39.18 | ImpyDroid2 | Doesn't Australia have enough place for them, of all countries? |
| 23:39.45 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh if Australia doesn't want to take people in they're not obligated to. Iran, however, *isn't* the most ideal spot, no |
| 23:39.56 | DrodoEmpire | Its a theocratic state, though, that theocracy is beginning to crumb;e |
| 23:40.37 | Monet | It's not just space to consider but also available resources. |
| 23:40.42 | DrodoEmpire | Really had the nations neighbouring the warzone taken in more people (Lebanon excluded of course, as they took in *waaay* too many) the migrant crisis in general wouldn't have been so dire |
| 23:40.49 | ImpyDroid2 | Send them to Saudi Arabia and the US I say |
| 23:41.07 | Monet | I think they might be safer in Iran. |
| 23:41.35 | ImpyDroid2 | They are to blame for the war, they have lots of free land, and Saudi Arabia is close culturally |
| 23:41.54 | ImpyDroid2 | I wonder what the situation with the refugees is like in Turkey, they have tons of them |
| 23:42.00 | Monet | Yeah but they also have an exotic form if Islam for a state religion. |
| 23:42.13 | Wormy_ | Liquid_Ink, DrodoEmpire: I know people who did a disruptive kinds of protesting. Sometimes I hate to say it, but it is effective. Sabbing fox hunts for example, was for a long time the people's oinly way of preventing the violent death of foxes and the often violation and trespass of property. Another example I can think of was disrupting the construction of a road through a SSSI site near stonehenge that would have been an ey |
| 23:43.04 | Wormy_ | Sometimes the government or powerful companies do not give a fuck and easily worm their way out in spite of public opinion |
| 23:43.14 | DrodoEmpire | I don't think they are often as effective as people think, nor do I think they are particularly moral |
| 23:43.20 | DrodoEmpire | Especially if they affect regular people |
| 23:43.29 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, *sometimes* |
| 23:43.33 | Wormy_ | What if it's regular people being pushed around? |
| 23:44.18 | Wormy_ | The upper echelons of sociey do not always place moral concern for public life at heart |
| 23:44.21 | DrodoEmpire | Then the disruptive protest still has no right to cause them inconvenience if they want nothing to do with it |
| 23:44.24 | DrodoEmpire | I know >.< |
| 23:44.51 | DrodoEmpire | Disruptive protest should be a weapon of last resort. The government and its systems are a lot more robust than people give themc redit for |
| 23:45.06 | DrodoEmpire | They're misused by bad people, but they can be used against them |
| 23:45.29 | Wormy_ | I think sometimes your faith is a bit highly strung. If you lived in the Torie government of the 1980's you wouldn't be saying these things |
| 23:45.54 | Wormy_ | But I understand where you are coming from, so no offense |
| 23:46.37 | DrodoEmpire | No, I'd be saying the exact same things. I don't think disruption like this is a moral good, but I understand that it can be the lesser evil if you've tried everything else |
| 23:47.00 | Wormy_ | I mean in terms of robustness and listening to the citizens |
| 23:47.05 | DrodoEmpire | The Canadian people have not tried everything else, so that's why I think storming Parliament Hill is a retarded idea |
| 23:47.28 | DrodoEmpire | Oh no they try not to listen to the citizenry whenever possible |
| 23:47.38 | DrodoEmpire | But the system is robust enough that common people can *force* them to |
| 23:47.55 | DrodoEmpire | And if this doesn't work, then disruption may be necessary yes |
| 23:51.13 | Wormy_ | I don't agree with a lot of it, you have pick and choose according to your own moral judgements and knowledge about the consequences and causes |
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| 23:51.44 | Wormy_ | And of course, the methiod of it |
| 23:51.52 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah sure. If it comes down to it, be conscientious. |
| 23:52.07 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe the difference between us is where we draw the line, not sure |
| 23:52.17 | Wormy_ | And it doesn't have to involve violence or disruption to other people, if one is clever about it |
| 23:52.45 | Wormy_ | Like I say, one has to pick choose. I couldn't make a general statement that it is good or bad as a whole |
| 23:52.46 | Technobliterator | In my opinion, since governments including ours are 100% responsible for the refugee crisis, they have full obligation to take every single one of them |
| 23:52.47 | DrodoEmpire | Sure, though, most of the people that resort to this aren't terribly clever >.< |
| 23:52.57 | DrodoEmpire | Uh |
| 23:53.14 | Technobliterator | I do not believe they should do that, but I believe they are obligated to |
| 23:53.15 | DrodoEmpire | No, I don't agree that they're 100% responsible, and they don't have full obligation to take every single one |
| 23:53.39 | Technobliterator | They are absolutely 100% responsible, since people are fleeing a war zone created by weapons that governments like ours sold to dictators |
| 23:54.04 | Technobliterator | Dictators which in many cases were propped up by governments like ours when convenient to use in a geopolitical game against Russia |
| 23:54.12 | DrodoEmpire | *like* yours, and its more nuanced than that |
| 23:54.15 | DrodoEmpire | I feel |
| 23:54.51 | DrodoEmpire | The only exception I could make to the "take every single one of them" rule is if they're verifiable Syrians, and even then, they should be settled in the first or second country they arrive in |
| 23:55.19 | Wormy_ | Yes they should settle in the country they land in |
| 23:55.39 | Technobliterator | I agree with that, but I believe this government should pay for them |
| 23:55.46 | Technobliterator | Or stop arming the Saudis |
| 23:59.58 | Wormy_ | A possible disaruption I can think of went on in my town |
