| 00:00.22 | Wormy_ | https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2017/jan/22/steve-bell-donald-trump-theresa-may-cartoon#img-1 |
| 00:03.03 | Imperios | What is May even like |
| 00:03.12 | Imperios | What is the opinion of the British people? |
| 00:05.54 | Wormy_ | I think about everyone would agree she's sharp and sly. But she brought in operation Prevent and Snooper's Charter, so she's big on reading our internet histories |
| 00:06.27 | Wormy_ | But a lot of Brexit people think she is purposefully slowing Article 50 |
| 00:06.44 | Wormy_ | So she's pure establishment really and wanted to remain |
| 00:08.02 | Wormy_ | On the other hand she's more socially left than lots of Tories, being pro-same sex marriage |
| 00:08.24 | Liquid_Ink | I heard she's making a fight for a hard Brexit she knows won't happen, so when the soft Brexit she really wants happens she can shift the Brexit supporters blame to everyone but herself |
| 00:08.59 | Imperios | Huh |
| 00:09.17 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: What do you mean by a soft Brexit? |
| 00:09.42 | Liquid_Ink | The one where they don't totally rip themselves out from the EU |
| 00:09.47 | Tek0516 | Imperios: Leave EU, but still stay a part of basically everything and follow most of the regulation |
| 00:10.02 | Imperios | That's basically a copout |
| 00:10.14 | Technobliterator | May is not liked, she is just viewed as the only good option for some ridiculous reason |
| 00:10.24 | Technobliterator | I have no idea how she manages to get away with it |
| 00:10.25 | Imperios | So Hill except British |
| 00:10.37 | Imperios | And more succesful |
| 00:11.06 | Tek0516 | In terms of Leave/Remain it's the path where everyone's unhappy. Lose most of the benefits of membership but get back almost no "independence" |
| 00:11.10 | Technobliterator | No, Hill was widely disliked |
| 00:11.16 | Technobliterator | May for some reason gets away with it |
| 00:11.19 | Technobliterator | And it baffles me how |
| 00:12.01 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Oh an May has done weapons deals with Saudi Aria, and that's made a lot of liberal controversy about her |
| 00:13.45 | Wormy_ | *Arabia |
| 00:15.01 | Imperios | Don't fuck with Saudi Aria |
| 00:15.14 | Imperios | And that's borderline treason to me |
| 00:15.18 | Technobliterator | May is a slimy, contemptible politician with a long history of false promises, incompetence, and is just a pure opportunist politician who has never had a hard stance on anything, who is currently overseeing an (ideologically driven) NHS crisis, declining wages, record high rates of homelessness and child poverty, outright Orwellian policies (which were declared legal retroactively), and yet is somehow the most |
| 00:15.18 | Technobliterator | popular politician in the country |
| 00:15.25 | Technobliterator | It's bullshit |
| 00:16.22 | Imperios | Wow |
| 00:16.30 | Imperios | So Britain and Russia really are similar |
| 00:17.19 | Liquid_Ink | Yeah, Russian corruption is built on a congruent system to Western corruption |
| 00:17.40 | Technobliterator | If you bring this up with anyone, their only response will be "BUT CORBYN IS A LITERALY MARXIIIIIIST" or whatever |
| 00:17.46 | Technobliterator | People are so badly brainwashed |
| 00:18.23 | Imperios | What's that with Marxism being such a negative word |
| 00:18.39 | Liquid_Ink | Because scary USSR |
| 00:18.41 | Tek0516 | Well now I know how the Stellaris spiral galaxy generation works. XD https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/GSouyy35/20170127191420_1.jpg |
| 00:18.50 | Technobliterator | Also, she's just as slimy and contemptible in Prime Minister Dodges Questions as David "Pig Fucker" Cameron was |
| 00:19.13 | Technobliterator | Really, I just despise basically every single member of the House of Commons right now |
| 00:19.43 | Liquid_Ink | Memory of Stalinism is used to dismiss any opposition to capitalism. |
| 00:19.49 | Imperios | On a lighter note |
| 00:20.01 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Uniate_League Finally started filling this page |
| 00:20.19 | Imperios | I'd do the history section and it's almost done but fukn Tybusen won't finish his parts |
| 00:20.30 | Liquid_Ink | Sexy |
| 00:20.44 | Technobliterator | Oh, this is interesting :o |
| 00:20.55 | Imperios | Also as always a shitload of emblems pls feedback |
| 00:21.23 | Technobliterator | Emblems are nice |
| 00:21.29 | Tybusen | continues his quest to dig himself out of multiple holes of work he is currently in |
| 00:21.40 | Wormy_ | Its the orwellian policies and invasion of privacy that bug me most about May |
| 00:22.52 | Imperios | The crown one, would you say it is too human? |
| 00:23.16 | Imperios | It is literally made from mashing several images of various RL crowns together |
| 00:28.19 | Technobliterator | It disheartens me that every time I go back home on Birmingham, there are more homeless people than the last time I was there |
| 00:29.09 | Liquid_Ink | Hopefully Trump's influence will push the Brits away from May before the election |
| 00:29.10 | Technobliterator | And there is presumably no end in sight, because the consensus is just "lul fuck them they failed at life we dont need to give them handouts we just need to kick immigrants out and our NHS will be fine" |
| 00:29.16 | Technobliterator | I have no faith |
| 00:29.23 | Technobliterator | We just need a new Guy Fawkes |
| 00:29.24 | Wormy_ | Disheartens me that my town's Tory council doesn't believe it has poor people and closed a foodbank and opposed Aldi's development (cheap food supermarket) |
| 00:29.27 | Technobliterator | and we need him to actually succeed this time |
| 00:31.46 | Wormy_ | If the Tories fail on delivering Brexit, they'll become massively unpopular. But unfortunately that means more will go to UKIP |
| 00:32.23 | Technobliterator | You know, the idea of leaving the EU in itself isn't that bad |
| 00:32.39 | Wormy_ | I'm pretty sure that's the only reason Cameron set out the referendum |
| 00:32.40 | Technobliterator | But with these guys managing it, there's basically no way it won't be a disaster |
| 00:32.56 | Technobliterator | yeah, he did the Referendum to shut the UKIP people up |
| 00:33.01 | Wormy_ | I'm critical of the EU, cerainly |
| 00:33.35 | Technobliterator | I despise it. It's a mess of an organization and has forced austerity on countries really badly |
| 00:33.43 | Technobliterator | Most people in Greece are longing to leave it |
| 00:34.25 | Technobliterator | But leaving it is a stupid idea when the people in charge of leaving will just use it as an excuse to make the country a corporate tax haven, scrap all workers' rights and scrap all social programs |
| 00:34.39 | Technobliterator | and then claim they're doing it because the evil EU made them |
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| 00:36.09 | Wormy__ | With there still being a neoliberal establishment, I doubt it will bring much change to how people actually feel. |
| 00:37.09 | Technobliterator | Yup |
| 00:38.35 | Liquid_Ink | https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16299533_1777053859282237_503704211657504541_n.png?oh=c25dfc7ec70c52f0e30a94c61cc2653f&oe=5900CC57 |
| 00:38.42 | Liquid_Ink | Comrade Bernie has the right idea |
| 00:39.21 | Technobliterator | hahahaha |
| 00:40.48 | Wormy__ | There's a world out there with Trudeau, Corbyn and Sanders governening the West |
| 00:40.55 | Wormy__ | together |
| 00:41.36 | Imperios | >Trudeau |
| 00:41.57 | Wormy__ | Liquid: Any Australian equivalent? |
| 00:41.59 | Imperios | I admit I am not a specialist but judging by what I hear from him he's not a great person |
| 00:42.12 | Liquid_Ink | No, we've got fucking Bill Shorten |
| 00:42.17 | Imperios | waves a broadsword to summon DrodoAway |
| 00:42.21 | Imperios | Confirm this |
| 00:42.25 | Imperios | Is Trudeau an idiot? |
| 00:42.29 | Imperios | Or a cool guy? |
| 00:42.48 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: Wait did he actually say that |
| 00:42.57 | Liquid_Ink | Of course not |
| 00:43.00 | Wormy__ | He seems super-left to me, so there's things that sound good but perhaps he's part of the regressive camp |
| 00:43.24 | Technobliterator | Australia isn't in nearly as bad a shape as the US or the UK is |
| 00:43.37 | Technobliterator | It has an actual living wage as a minimum wage and no national healthcare crisis, for one |
| 00:44.01 | Monet | It's also not very crowded. |
| 00:44.07 | Imperios | Wormy__: Yeah that |
| 00:44.12 | Liquid_Ink | Oh, the Liberals (our tories) have been trying to privatise medicare for years |
| 00:44.25 | Liquid_Ink | And nobody can get a job that isn't casualised |
| 00:44.35 | Imperios | Much of the modern left has turned into a prostitute of the estabilishment |
| 00:44.40 | Liquid_Ink | Welfare is under constant attack |
| 00:44.43 | Imperios | And does not even care for the working class |
| 00:44.59 | Liquid_Ink | Although, I do recognise that even as shitty as we are, we do have it better than you |
| 00:45.16 | Wormy__ | They've even gone neoliberal or regressive (though the two are interelated) |
| 00:45.24 | Technobliterator | Also, you have proportional representation |
| 00:45.28 | Wormy__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Trudeau#Domestic_policy |
| 00:45.35 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: About welfare, there's one thing I'd like you to answer |
| 00:45.42 | Wormy__ | I quite like some of those policies though |
| 00:45.45 | Technobliterator | So your democratic system isn't a total sham |
| 00:46.22 | Liquid_Ink | We don't have proportionate representation |
| 00:46.32 | Liquid_Ink | We have preferential voting |
| 00:46.45 | Imperios | What can be done to make welfare work better? As in, to make it help people actually find work and contribute to society meaningfully, rather than hampering the workforce? |
| 00:46.48 | Imperios | *find jobs |
| 00:47.36 | Wormy__ | Liquid: What does amaze mew though is how your government got rid of that Tony Abbot |
| 00:48.01 | Imperios | Like there are situations like Hachi's, where people cannot enter jobs as joining the workforce would negate their welfare, which is in fact greater than any of the jobs they can get employed in |
| 00:48.14 | Liquid_Ink | Wormy: That was just a coup, which resulted in a guy with no new policies and less control over his backbenchers |
| 00:48.38 | Liquid_Ink | Imperios: Raise the minimum wage above the welfare, rather than decreasing welfare |
| 00:48.43 | Monet | So much for "no longer a total sham" |
| 00:49.01 | Imperios | Well that is a possibility |
| 00:49.25 | Wormy__ | Liquid: Sure it didn't lead anywhere, but a coup like that I don't think would happen to likes of Blair or Cameron or May |
| 00:49.30 | Imperios | Though I am not sure if most states can afford this |
| 00:49.41 | Imperios | Oh wait, one can mug the oligarchs for that money |
| 00:49.49 | Liquid_Ink | Wormy: It happened to Corbyn, he just beat it |
| 00:50.00 | Imperios | There we go, I can get behind that plan |
| 00:50.13 | Wormy__ | That's true |
| 00:50.24 | Wormy__ | But would it happen to a PM? |
| 00:50.25 | Liquid_Ink | Imperios: We're not "mugging" the oligarchs. Just making them pair their fair share |
| 00:50.35 | Imperios | Definitely |
| 00:50.41 | Liquid_Ink | Wormy: Nothing major, we just got a new one. |
| 00:51.14 | Imperios | Speaking of socialism |
| 00:51.19 | Technobliterator | If you raise the minimum wage to an actual living wage, you also save taxpayers a lot of money, increase spending power of more businesses which helps the economy... |
| 00:51.43 | Technobliterator | but nah poor big billionaires will only be able to afford 4 yachts instead of 5 this year if you do that :( |
| 00:52.07 | Monet | Or they'll move to a less tax-heavy country |
| 00:52.08 | Technobliterator | so I guess just leave them destitute unless they want to join the army and fight illegal oil wars |
| 00:52.10 | Liquid_Ink | Also, if you raise the wages of the workers, they'll be able to pay more tax, which boosts the economy |
| 00:52.13 | Monet | And take al ltheir lovely money with them |
| 00:52.43 | Technobliterator | so, Starbucks will shut down every single store because it has to pay workers a tiny amount more? |
| 00:52.44 | Liquid_Ink | Monet: That's why we need a global movement |
| 00:52.56 | Imperios | Monet: That's what our fucking oligarchs did |
| 00:52.57 | Technobliterator | So we should just let people working there full time be destitute? |
| 00:53.01 | Imperios | They fled, to *you* in fact |
| 00:53.14 | Wormy__ | Liquid: If I'll be honest though, the Australians politicians seem more racist to me, at least explicitly |
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| 00:53.22 | Technobliterator | Also, this was done in Denmark, and as far as I can tell |
| 00:53.24 | Imperios | FUCKIN' BOAT PEOPLE |
| 00:53.26 | Technobliterator | it hasn't tanked |
| 00:53.30 | Imperios | Wait, why did Random leave? |
| 00:53.34 | Liquid_Ink | Wormy: Oh yes, we're a white supremacist shit whole |
| 00:53.35 | Imperios | He does not approve of communism? |
| 00:53.44 | Monet | Technobliterator: How about *not* treating them like fucking parasites o something. |
| 00:54.01 | Technobliterator | As opposed to treating working families like parasites? |
| 00:54.08 | Liquid_Ink | You mean the rich? But they are parasites |
| 00:54.13 | Wormy__ | Lots of backbenchers in UK politics might be racist but few would show themselves to be on media even if they are |
| 00:54.20 | Liquid_Ink | They literally contribute nothing |
| 00:54.26 | Technobliterator | I mean, they dodge taxes and refuse to pay their workers a fair share |
| 00:54.32 | Imperios | Well there is a certain part of the population which is, for the lack of a better word, parasitic |
| 00:54.34 | Technobliterator | despite their workers being the reason they are able to earn any money at all |
| 00:54.38 | Technobliterator | I have extremely little sympathy |
| 00:54.47 | Imperios | But rather than punishing them one is meant to make it easier for them to find work |
| 00:55.03 | Imperios | Because as I understand, many are simply trapped due to welfare |
| 00:55.16 | Imperios | trapped BY welfare |
| 00:55.19 | Liquid_Ink | Welfare is a scapegoat |
| 00:55.20 | Technobliterator | And, Imperios, raising the minimum wage isn't socialism ._. |
| 00:55.23 | Technobliterator | It's fixing capitalism |
| 00:55.26 | Monet | Y'know I just had an idea. |
| 00:55.29 | Technobliterator | I am not even much of a socialist |
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| 00:55.33 | Liquid_Ink | Capitalism cannot be fixed |
| 00:55.49 | Technobliterator | I do not agree |
| 00:55.59 | Liquid_Ink | The problem with capitalism is not that it is failing, but that it is working brilliantly |
| 00:56.15 | Liquid_Ink | What we are experiencing the modern day in the unbridled success of capitalism. |
| 00:56.25 | Technobliterator | Yeah, I don't agree with that either |
| 00:56.32 | Technobliterator | We don't really have capitalism or free markets right now |
| 00:56.35 | Technobliterator | We have crony capitalism |
| 00:56.42 | Technobliterator | that is rigged by oligarchs |
| 00:56.53 | Imperios | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPKH4GHiihg This conversation's theme |
| 00:57.17 | Liquid_Ink | And what will happen in "real" capitalism? The rich will be regulated by the ghost of christmas past? |
| 00:57.38 | Technobliterator | Nope |
| 00:58.05 | Technobliterator | They will just have to actually earn their profits by competing rather than just being able to bribe the government to keep all competition out |
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| 00:58.24 | Liquid_Ink | Profit is unpaid labour |
| 00:58.25 | Wormy__ | Arguably welfare and national health service doesn't make one a socialist |
| 00:58.33 | Technobliterator | Yeah, I don't agree with that either :P |
| 00:59.11 | Technobliterator | Profits can serve as a fantastic motivation to innovate |
| 00:59.12 | Wormy__ | I support both, but I don't necessarily support socialism as an alternative |
| 00:59.15 | Liquid_Ink | The very concept of profit is stealing from the workers. What gives the rich the right to take the fruits of the worker's labour and control its redistribution to them? |
| 00:59.16 | Technobliterator | They just don't right now |
| 00:59.24 | Technobliterator | I believe in social democracy |
| 00:59.39 | Technobliterator | I believe in a mixed market economy with bits of both |
| 00:59.48 | Imperios | Yeah but the worker-centric system should *work* |
| 00:59.51 | Technobliterator | But we don't really have that right now, we have capitalism that's completely rigged |
| 00:59.59 | Imperios | I personally trust a lot in worker cooperatives |
| 01:00.02 | Wormy__ | I'm inclined to agree |
| 01:00.05 | Technobliterator | and any socialist aspects we had are being taken away |
| 01:00.21 | Wormy__ | Imperios: But I'm also wary of unions |
| 01:00.23 | Liquid_Ink | Social democracy is a variation of socialism |
| 01:00.33 | Technobliterator | But it involves both |
| 01:00.48 | Liquid_Ink | It's a transition away from capitalism towards socialism |
| 01:00.53 | Liquid_Ink | So of course it involves both |
| 01:01.00 | Technobliterator | Not necessarily? |
| 01:01.08 | Technobliterator | You can have a social democracy without transitioning towards socialism |
| 01:01.16 | Technobliterator | See: the nordic countries |
| 01:02.11 | Wormy__ | Or 1950's Britain |
| 01:02.17 | Liquid_Ink | If you have a system where the businessmen have the right to take the fruits of the worker's labour and control its redistribution to them, they'll inevitable give themselve a lion's share, and we'll be back in this rut all over again |
| 01:02.46 | Wormy__ | Social democracy pretty much rebuilt the nation from shambles |
| 01:03.15 | Liquid_Ink | That's true |
| 01:04.22 | Wormy__ | http://cdn26.us1.fansshare.com/photo/margaretthatcher/clement-attlee-and-thatcher-funeral-1429323998.jpg |
| 01:05.32 | Liquid_Ink | I have to go now, but I leave with that point that if businessmen control the fruits of the worker's labour, it creates the mentality that businessmen are superior to workers, which snowballs into what we see today. |
| 01:06.15 | Wormy__ | Why can't we have another Clement Atlee? http://i.imgur.com/KDv4iYI.jpg?w=240 |
| 01:07.34 | Technobliterator | yeah, Attlee was the best/only good prime minister we ever had |
| 01:10.25 | ImpyDroid | Speaking of commies, it is Blockade Day today and now the streets look like this |
| 01:10.28 | ImpyDroid | http://i.imgur.com/Y5OSi2jh.jpg |
| 01:10.33 | ImpyDroid | It is THIS time of the year again |
| 01:17.36 | Wormy__ | What is Blockade day? |
| 01:18.15 | ImpyDroid | The day the four-year long Siege of Lenigrad was over |
| 01:18.40 | ImpyDroid | It is a local thing but it is VERY big here, mostly because of how devastating the siege was |
| 01:19.15 | ImpyDroid | We still have ruins from that time, and many buildings were reconstructed only in the last few decades |
| 01:20.25 | ImpyDroid | There are a lot of memoirs and the like, which are actually taught in schools. I actually think it is kind of traumatising |
| 01:20.57 | ImpyDroid | Young schoolchildren get told how people starved to death and slowly died, and ate grass and bread mixed with glue |
| 01:23.52 | Wormy__ | Yes, I suppose its a way to keep the memory alive |
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| 02:23.22 | Wormy__ | MonetL Just realised, May was wearing a red coat at the White House |
| 02:41.37 | Monet | Might just be a coincidence |
| 02:46.33 | Wormy__ | It *may* be |
| 02:54.35 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 02:54.41 | DrodoEmpire | Far too late for Impy's call |
| 02:55.13 | DrodoEmpire | Though to answer his question, no, I'm not a terribly huge fan of hair-boy :p |
| 02:55.53 | DrodoEmpire | I'm not a terribly huge fan of the Liberal government in general, for some of the things its trying to do socially, but frankly I'm not the best source either as I don't follow Canadian politics quite as much as I should |
| 02:56.11 | Wormy__ | ayyyyyyyyy lmayo https://phys.org/news/2017-01-ancient-scary-alien-looking-specimen-rarity.html |
| 02:56.56 | DrodoEmpire | Science Journalists - a REAL AYY LMAO DISCOVERED???? |
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| 02:59.34 | Wormy__ | I was actually a bit spooked by that bug |
| 02:59.45 | DrodoEmpire | Well it does look really strange |
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| 10:33.19 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 10:33.22 | Dillonator407 | hello |
| 10:33.32 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:33.52 | Dillonator407 | any current topic? |
| 10:34.02 | Ghelae | No. |
| 10:34.18 | Dillonator407 | i see |
| 10:34.53 | Dillonator407 | i really wish i was better at conversation than i currently am, i am very bad at starting topics etc |
| 10:36.12 | Dillonator407 | plus its late for me |
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| 10:43.55 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 10:50.43 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 10:51.52 | dino82_ | hi |
| 10:52.17 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:54.11 | NeonPanda | So, question for the floor: I feel like hitting virtual male entities in the genitals with large, blunt weapons, and my options for doing so are Skyrim or Assassin's Creed 2. The question is, of course, which one I should choose. |
| 10:55.30 | Liquid_Ink | Well, do you feel like magic or parkour? |
| 10:55.59 | NeonPanda | also, apologies in advance if the internet craps out and I DC during something actually relevant |
| 10:57.00 | dino82_ | anything goin on? |
| 10:57.54 | Liquid_Ink | Not really |
| 10:57.58 | NeonPanda | Well magic doesn't necessarily have an application towards mace between the legs, so I suppose parkour (as limited as AC's is) is the more relevant |
| 10:58.17 | Liquid_Ink | Well, Skyrim has other benefits I think |
| 10:58.33 | Liquid_Ink | Of course, having never played AC, I can't tell |
| 10:59.42 | Dillonator407 | gtg |
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| 11:06.52 | NeonPanda | hi you |
| 11:07.26 | NeonPanda | since I have no inclination to play Dark Souls 2 anymore and I'm going home tomorrow, I'm gonna pass the night smashing people in the nads in Assassin's Creed 2 |
| 11:23.11 | NeonPanda | connection may have died |
| 11:23.23 | Hachiman | Oh sorry, I forgot I had this open |
| 11:26.15 | NeonPanda | heh |
| 11:26.17 | NeonPanda | np |
| 11:26.32 | NeonPanda | I'm downstairs so my connection can potentially die at any point |
| 11:31.22 | NeonPanda | unrelated note, watching an XCOM 2 playthrough, the guy now has a psi-op with mind control, and once he mind-controlled something he started calling it his pet |
| 11:31.25 | NeonPanda | it's kinda adorable |
| 11:33.13 | Hachiman | Heh |
| 11:33.21 | Hachiman | Adorable, but also horrifying |
| 11:33.35 | Hachiman | Two words I'd also associate with shoggoths |
| 11:36.38 | NeonPanda | and you are weird |
| 11:39.30 | NeonPanda | that might have cut me off |
| 11:39.35 | NeonPanda | apparently not |
| 12:16.10 | Liquid_Ink | Monet's coming |
| 12:16.33 | Liquid_Ink | I have sensed it |
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| 12:20.52 | Liquid_Ink | Hey |
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| 12:26.20 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 12:26.25 | ImpyDroid | Monet: https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-05/enhanced/webdr04/23/8/enhanced-buzz-12211-1400848926-14.jpg?downsize=343:*&output-format=auto |
| 12:26.33 | ImpyDroid | Also Tybusen online m |
| 12:26.43 | ImpyDroid | Dafuk did you catch my insomnia |
| 12:27.09 | Monet | ImpyDroid: I san see the resemblence. |
| 12:28.03 | Monet | Although Sam the Eagle might be more charming. |
| 12:30.41 | Monet | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114941_1401973889833558_5972717795486488420_n.jpg?oh=8f505e419152b910b2975f0bcbf9e11d&oe=590D0D79 |
| 12:31.28 | Monet | Impydroid Hachiman Tybusen |
| 12:34.52 | ImpyDroid | Seen |
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| 12:40.08 | Monet | Hi |
| 12:40.25 | Monet | I finished the Baron's quest line. |
| 12:41.41 | Monet | I saved Anna mostly and returned to find the poor man with his neck in a rope. |
| 12:43.44 | ImpyDroid | Hi OP |
| 12:43.53 | ImpyDroid | I see you have been trying mythic keystone dungeons |
| 12:43.56 | dino82_ | hi Oluap! |
| 13:06.15 | OluapPlayer | ImpyDroid: I did one |
| 13:06.23 | OluapPlayer | Monet: I got the same end |
| 13:08.10 | Monet | I worry for Velen now. |
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| 13:10.20 | Monet | I did not like the tone of his lieutenant's voice when he talked about "things will be different now" |
| 13:11.05 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 13:11.30 | Wormy_ | OluapPlayer, Hachiman: https://phys.org/news/2017-01-ancient-scary-alien-looking-specimen-rarity.html |
| 13:12.41 | Hachiman | A 32nd order reserved especially for some creepy-looking alien bug thing |
| 13:12.51 | Hachiman | Lovecraft would have flipped his shit |
| 13:13.38 | Wormy_ | I was taken aback by its creepiness |
| 13:14.12 | Wormy_ | Looks like depictions of Mantid aliens |
| 13:15.42 | Monet | "With its long neck, big eyes and strange oblong head, I thought it resembled E.T. I even made a Halloween mask that resembled the head of this insect. But when I wore the mask when trick-or-treaters came by, it scared the little kids so much I took it off." |
| 13:15.42 | Monet | Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-01-ancient-scary-alien-looking-specimen-rarity.html#jCp |
| 13:16.35 | Monet | I'm not that unnerved but the way the kids reacted sounds straight out of Lovecraft's writings. |
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| 13:18.13 | OluapPlayer_ | Getting sick of this internet |
| 13:18.28 | Wormy_ | Oluap: Did you see the bug? |
| 13:18.43 | OluapPlayer_ | Yes |
| 13:18.52 | OluapPlayer_ | I don't have anything to say about it |
| 13:20.15 | Monet | It doesn't seem that creepy to me |
| 13:21.19 | Wormy_ | http://www.urigeller.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/grey_mantis.jpg http://hybridsrising.com/Images/HR-TOR-Hybrid-Mantis-Insectoid.jpg |
| 13:32.34 | Monet | WOrmy_: thinking on the Death Star and BDZ. I vaguely recall was it Han or Obi-Wan who said that not eve na thousand star destroyers could destroy a planet. |
| 13:34.22 | Monet | A thousand star destroyers (I suppose it's more of a metaphor and not an exact number) but one can melt a planet's crust. |
| 13:39.49 | Wormy_ | Maybe he meant blow it apart, yeah |
| 13:41.51 | Monet | What I was more thinking is if only one can melt much of the surface, how much damage could a hundred do? |
| 13:43.41 | Ghelae | Well, what's the energy required to melt the surface? Multiply that by 100 or 1000. Compare that to the gravitational binding energy of the planet. |
| 13:44.53 | Ghelae | The first question is the most difficult to work out. |
| 13:47.13 | Monet | Yeah, I'm sort of willing ot chalk this t oincinsistent writing |
| 13:47.20 | Ghelae | If the gravitational binding energy of Earth is about 2*10^32 J, I can easily imagine the energy to melt the crust being only a tiny proportion of that. |
| 13:47.49 | Ghelae | Remember, the crust is only a thin layer on top of the planet, and you're only melting it, not blasting it into space. |
| 13:49.02 | Hachiman | Is it just me or am I one of the few people who thought Rogue One wasn't all that great |
| 13:49.20 | Hachiman | Better than TFA, but that's not exactly hard |
| 13:49.26 | Ghelae | Oh, hey, there's this: http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/usefultables.php |
| 13:50.28 | Ghelae | According to that, if one Star Destroyer can melt the entire Earth's crust, 1000 would be enough to destroy the planet. |
| 13:51.03 | Ghelae | If we're also considering that we need to vaporise the oceans, that'll take a bit more. |
| 13:51.37 | Monet | It handily gives a value for the Death Star's laser |
| 13:52.01 | Ghelae | a bit fewer* |
| 13:52.04 | Monet | Hachiman: I did feel that using the Death Star took a way some of its impact from EPisode IV |
| 13:52.09 | Ghelae | 806 Star Destroyers, actually. |
| 13:52.39 | Ghelae | Oh, if we're not reducing Earth to gravel but actually blowing it up... |
| 13:53.07 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Miles above TFA I say |
| 13:53.15 | ImpyDroid | But I do not like TFA at all hur |
| 13:53.20 | Hachiman | No, I like the Death Star aspect of the movie; for me, the characters were nearly all bland or uninteresting or boring to watch and some of the characters' motivations and actions just didn't really make sense |
| 13:53.21 | Ghelae | ...8056. Or say approximately 8000 Star Destroyers to do a Death Star's job. |
| 13:53.23 | Monet | They blew up Alderaan as an 'effective demonstration' but they already demonstrated a fraction of what it could do on Jedha City. |
| 13:53.55 | Monet | Hachiman: AH, right |
| 13:54.23 | Monet | The only characters I really loved were the droid and Donnie Yen. |
| 13:54.32 | Hachiman | I'd have liked Jyn more if she wasn't so boring to watch; I'd have liked that captain guy whose name I can't be assed to remember if he kept consistent character |
| 13:55.00 | ImpyDroid | ...Can't argue with you here |
| 13:55.12 | Hachiman | I'd have liked Donnie Yen's character if he wasn't just the "magical space Asian" |
| 13:55.21 | Hachiman | Well, I'd have liked him *more* |
| 13:55.27 | ImpyDroid | But he is hilarious |
| 13:55.38 | ImpyDroid | Also the only Asian person in the galaxy hur |
| 13:55.42 | Hachiman | I did find his performance to be entertaining |
| 13:55.48 | Monet | *Stormtroopers bag his head* "Are you kidding me!? I am blind!" |
| 13:55.56 | Hachiman | The only character I actually felt all that attached too was the black droid |
| 13:56.09 | ImpyDroid | I have a feeling you have said all this a few times already |
| 13:56.20 | Hachiman | Once before, after first seeing the movie |
| 13:56.29 | Hachiman | I've since had time to reflect on it more |
| 13:56.46 | ImpyDroid | Not once, twice at the very leasr |
| 13:56.47 | Monet | I was a bit wielded out by the out-of-nowhere truth-reader monster. |
| 13:56.48 | ImpyDroid | *least |
| 13:57.08 | Hachiman | I also liked Jyn's father, I wish the story followed him more before he fucking died |
| 13:57.13 | Monet | the hentai mind reader squid. |
| 13:57.36 | Hachiman | Monet: I was wielded out when Rogue One basically threw Middle Eastern terrorists at us |
| 13:57.48 | Wormy_ | I think we calculated the DCP's neutronium ultrarelativistic weapon to be 1 zeptatonne |
| 13:58.22 | ImpyDroid | You said this before |
| 13:58.54 | Hachiman | Right, right |
| 13:59.32 | Wormy_ | So DCP ships have 1/7th of the Death's star's superlaser |
| 14:00.28 | Wormy_ | 1/7th the output |
| 14:00.57 | Monet | The one merit I took from Rogue One was it did look like it was trying to be philosophical. But by its release I had consigned myself to the idea that Star Wars is for nostalgia and cool laser-sword fights. |
| 14:01.41 | Wormy_ | Sorry its "zettaton" |
| 14:04.44 | Wormy_ | What if NASA had the US Military's Budget? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chLOgj8xjx8 |
| 14:06.16 | Hachiman | Oh hey, Wormy's posting science fantasy |
| 14:07.10 | dino82_ | done with homework |
| 14:07.16 | dino82_ | availible for fiction or rp if needed |
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| 14:08.19 | Wormy_ | one is allowed to fantasise |
| 14:09.09 | Tetris_D | Oh, hi, first time in a while I was here and everyone else was here too |
| 14:09.25 | Monet | Wormy_: I sort of feel like this misses the amount of money the DoD puts into R&D. |
| 14:10.37 | Monet | I think there's a remote possibility that if it's advantageous, the military could fund building a base on the moon. |
| 14:12.52 | Tetris_D | We would probably have to build a space elevator first. |
| 14:14.58 | Wormy_ | I don't think we'll need a space elevator, but it would cut costs and time. Unfortunately, even the best candidate material carbon nanotubes can't be reliably manufactured without defects so one on Earth looks unfeasible |
| 14:15.34 | Wormy_ | But a space elevator made of kevlar would work on the Moon, apparently |
| 14:15.38 | Monet | It's a great video for speculating what -could- be done with 500bln/year. |
| 14:16.12 | Wormy_ | That's why I posted it |
| 14:16.35 | Monet | Although I worry some watching might fall into the "Without the Dark Ages we'd be interplanetary by now" kind of thinking. |
| 14:16.44 | Tetris_D | This is probably EXTREMELY far-fetched, but if we experimented with wormhole technology, we could simply teleport to the moon. |
| 14:17.27 | Hachiman | Eh |
| 14:17.39 | Hachiman | Yeah but what would sustain the wormhole point on the moon end |
| 14:17.59 | Wormy_ | maybe when we have star-powered particle accelerators and mirrored dyson beams |
| 14:18.02 | Tetris_D | Like I said, far-fetched. |
| 14:18.26 | Monet | Consider the DoD has spent something like $1.5trln on the F-35 and it STILL doesn't work properly. |
| 14:18.54 | Monet | (okay 1.5trln is the end-project estimate, current psenidng is more like 400bln) |
| 14:19.05 | Tetris_D | Now I have to google who the DoD is... |
| 14:19.06 | Monet | current expenditure* |
| 14:19.17 | Monet | US Department of Defence. |
| 14:19.23 | Tetris_D | Oh, ok |
| 14:20.07 | Wormy_ | evil Kirk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_KvCsepcb4 |
| 14:20.10 | Hachiman | I get reminded of a sci-fi series I saw once, where humanity had become an interstellar civilisation that utilised wormhole technology which made many spacefaring vessels obsolete, even incorporating wormhole tech into their architecture so a building's rooms would be spread across the galaxy - until something happened and that wormhole tech suddenly failed |
| 14:20.52 | Tetris_D | Lil, "WOOPS" |
| 14:21.22 | Wormy_ | oh wow, like the end of the Dark Age of Technology |
| 14:25.12 | Tetris_D | What about the exploration ships? Did they become obsolete? |
| 14:26.37 | Hachiman | I dunno, didn't read it |
| 14:32.34 | Tetris_D | These are probably the most evil pranks in the world https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=feLUmpXvYOc |
| 14:35.53 | Wormy_ | its just a prank bro |
| 14:36.47 | Tetris_D | Lol I know |
| 14:40.03 | Hachiman | Wormy_: Out of curiosity, which region did you imagine Eireland residing in? |
| 14:40.46 | Wormy_ | the western forests, I think |
| 14:40.58 | Hachiman | Right |
| 14:43.30 | Hachiman | I had a thought that a race of giants could reside within the country, perhaps some co-existing with the Eirish while others thrive as barbarian tribes and clans |
| 14:43.43 | Hachiman | Planned on calling them Fomorians hur |
| 14:44.59 | Wormy_ | sounds good |
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| 14:51.59 | dino82_ | hi |
| 15:05.56 | dino82_ | test |
| 15:06.51 | Wormy_ | North Korean TV on human rights situation in the USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3CROEyQs8 |
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| 15:24.24 | Tetris_D | I'm back. |
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| 16:28.28 | Imperios | Hi |
| 16:29.20 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 16:29.23 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 16:39.56 | dino82_ | hi |
| 16:57.36 | Imperios | OluapPlayer_: Wanna do heroics? I need them for levelling my profs |
| 16:58.10 | OluapPlayer_ | I'm writing a page right now |
| 16:58.56 | Imperios | Alright |
| 17:04.56 | Tek0516 | So my bored Stellaris experiment ended up with me making this. XD https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/YBsmGnDQ/Stellaris%20Spiral%20Galaxy.png |
| 17:05.47 | Hachiman | That's pretty cool |
| 17:08.32 | Tek0516 | Star map is based on the raw data extracted from a Stellaris save, background image is from a long and bored experimenting on how Stellaris does Spirals. : |
| 17:08.54 | Tek0516 | *:P |
| 17:09.21 | Imperios | Also, where are you in Suramar ATM? |
| 17:10.18 | OluapPlayer_ | I did the questline you get at Honored |
| 17:10.24 | OluapPlayer_ | Not much else |
| 17:20.05 | dino82_ | @Imperios: I am starting thesiege of Suramar |
| 17:20.18 | dino82_ | gained their trust enough :D |
| 17:20.41 | OluapPlayer_ | more like grindfallen |
| 17:21.25 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Theresa May wore a Red Coat to the White House lol |
| 17:23.32 | dino82_ | lol |
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| 17:34.59 | Tek0516 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/buy |
| 17:41.37 | Monet | If he can do that and so long as the companies don't count sudden flooding out of nowhere as an Act of God he's good. |
| 17:44.02 | Ghelae | The bonus panel implies there might be another problem: http://smbc-comics.com/comics/1485616657-20170128after%20(1).png |
| 17:45.23 | Monet | Oh yeah I just remembered |
| 17:45.55 | Monet | Bankers and lawyers are probably among the people God wanted to drown. |
| 17:46.56 | Xho | earthly possessions? nah m8 |
| 17:50.55 | Xho | So I bought an Xbox One |
| 17:50.59 | Xho | Enjoying it somewhat |
| 17:51.56 | Xho | Although the only games I've played on it so far are Soulcalibur II and Tekken Tag Tournament |
| 17:52.02 | Xho | One of which was released in 2002 |
| 18:19.54 | OluapPlayer_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Realm_of_Rhaz%27Gan trolle |
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| 18:20.48 | Cyrannian | Hello everyone |
| 18:20.50 | OluapPlayer_ | ~eat Cyrannian |
| 18:20.50 | infobot | ACTION eats Cyrannian and falls over dead |
| 18:20.56 | Cyrannian | ~hug OluapPlayer_ |
| 18:20.56 | infobot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs OluapPlayer_ |
| 18:21.08 | Cyrannian | Wormy_: dino82_: free ships in STO! http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10366523-season-12-giveaways-day-five%21 |
| 18:21.27 | dino82_ | hi! |
| 18:21.28 | dino82_ | Oh! |
| 18:21.41 | dino82_ | still no excelsior class -_- |
| 18:21.58 | Cyrannian | Someday hopefully |
| 18:23.37 | Imperios | OluapPlayer_: *mon intensifies* |
| 18:23.43 | Imperios | Also holy shit that model looks badass |
| 18:23.58 | OluapPlayer_ | tank u |
| 18:24.00 | Wormy_ | Cyrannian: Cryptic are the most generous F2P game publishers |
| 18:24.09 | OluapPlayer_ | It was very hard to not copy WoW trolls |
| 18:24.15 | OluapPlayer_ | But I think I made them distinct enough |
| 18:24.50 | OluapPlayer_ | Also F5 that |
| 18:26.26 | OluapPlayer_ | Goddamnit, F5 it again |
| 18:26.46 | OluapPlayer_ | My pages always have to have some weird non-sequiturs in them which need to be fixed |
| 18:34.22 | Cyrannian | nice work on the page Oluap |
| 18:34.55 | OluapPlayer_ | Thanks |
| 18:43.02 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: I REALLY like these guys |
| 18:43.21 | Imperios | And not just because they are WoW trolls |
| 18:43.34 | Imperios | I like how you fleshed out their culture a lot |
| 18:43.56 | OluapPlayer_ | They're not meant to be WoW trolls hur |
| 18:44.04 | dino82_ | bye bye |
| 18:44.14 | OluapPlayer_ | But I'm glad you like them |
| 19:03.49 | Imperios | Doing Trial of Valour now |
| 19:03.59 | Imperios | Going to do errands for the annoying viking god prick again |
| 19:06.04 | OluapPlayer_ | VRRRRRRRRRRYKUL |
| 19:06.41 | OluapPlayer_ | Hey you should feel lucky. That annoying viking god is technically my boss, I have to do his errands all the time |
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| 19:49.48 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 19:50.04 | Monet | hi |
| 19:50.20 | Xho | AAAAAA |
| 19:50.21 | Xho | Hi |
| 19:54.58 | Xho | OluapPlayer_: Quoted the Razzamatazz Trolls |
| 19:55.56 | OluapPlayer_ | I see |
| 19:59.58 | Xho | I should really do something with the Eza'naerani |
| 20:13.41 | Xho | What exactly is the term for a government ruled by elders |
| 20:14.36 | Xho | Gerontocracy |
| 20:14.40 | Xho | Found it you useless gits |
| 20:14.55 | Monet | :( |
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| 20:37.03 | Xho | Hachiman: How long have the Ankhor been on Koldenwelt for again |
| 20:37.11 | Hachiman | Lemme remind myself |
| 20:38.39 | Hachiman | The Khaepsha kingdom has been around for 4,500 years; the Ankhor were initially absorbed into the Realm of Sohetar by the Sohet around 16,000 years ago, hm |
| 20:38.44 | Xho | Right |
| 20:38.50 | Hachiman | Probably between 17 to 18 thousand years |
| 20:39.06 | Xho | I'm doing the history of the Eza'naerani and I'm describing a vague record of them by the Orichalcum Elves |
| 20:39.11 | OluapPlayer_ | Imperios: Did you kill Helya yet? |
| 20:39.17 | Imperios | At it currently |
| 20:39.21 | Xho | They'd compare them to an Ankhor since the Ankhor were more than likely known to them |
| 20:39.28 | Hachiman | Makes sense |
| 20:40.33 | OluapPlayer_ | Imperios: What difficulty are you in? Normal? Heroic? |
| 20:40.37 | Imperios | Normal |
| 20:40.43 | OluapPlayer_ | Ah |
| 20:40.57 | Imperios | We skimmed through the first two bosses but Helya's difficult |
| 20:41.13 | OluapPlayer_ | Back when it came out, everyone was calling Mythic Helya the hardest fight in the game |
| 20:42.59 | OluapPlayer_ | Though after I watched some footage of his fight, Mythic Gul'dan is probably gonna top her |
| 20:47.49 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/68/EzanaeraniSigil.png/revision/latest?cb=20170128201010 I did a sigil for white cat people |
| 20:48.07 | Hachiman | Nice |
| 20:54.38 | Monet | I don't know if it's a coincidence but I'm re-heating a bolognaise and next door's dogs were barking like mad just now. |
| 20:55.07 | Xho | dat food |
| 20:55.09 | Xho | dat food tho |
| 20:57.54 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.11 | Hachiman | I really should use my Sandbox more |
| 20:58.20 | Hachiman | tfw too lazy to even put shit in my Sandbox subpage |
| 20:59.25 | Monet | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid_Imperium/Provinces#New_Kraw_Consulate Krawnies :3 |
| 20:59.50 | Hachiman | Watch as Irskaad flips his shit on deviantArt |
| 21:00.00 | Xho | oh deer |
| 21:00.18 | Hachiman | "consies fucking suck retard DDDDDDX" |
| 21:01.04 | OluapPlayer_ | what is this spurdo shit |
| 21:01.27 | Monet | The funny thing is these particular Kraw were a group he gave me. |
| 21:03.17 | Xho | Did I really just see Theresa May sign a £100m deal with Erdogan |
| 21:03.19 | Xho | fucking |
| 21:03.22 | Xho | fucking fuck |
| 21:03.32 | Hachiman | What the fuck |
| 21:03.48 | Hachiman | wtf russia needs to occupy england now |
| 21:03.51 | Monet | I never understood the Zalkarg as pets (sounds like having a 6ft tall pig as a pet) but I bet their bacon tastes good. |
| 21:03.56 | Xho | remove britbong |
| 21:04.06 | Hachiman | I fucking hate British people |
| 21:04.12 | Xho | We are british |
| 21:04.12 | Hachiman | Kill the fucking inbred tea-drinkers |
| 21:04.21 | Hachiman | Yes and |
| 21:05.04 | OluapPlayer_ | Wow, now I remember back when he first showed the Zalkarg to the wiki |
| 21:05.17 | OluapPlayer_ | Everyone's first thought (me included) was to make jokes about abusing them |
| 21:05.20 | OluapPlayer_ | legit feel bad now |
| 21:05.28 | Hachiman | Punch the pig |
| 21:05.44 | Xho | What was a Zalkarg again |
| 21:05.56 | OluapPlayer_ | Weird pig-like Kraw pet |
| 21:06.03 | Monet | Xho: 6ft tall spiky pig on two legs. |
| 21:06.12 | Technobliterator | I don't even know what they are |
| 21:06.19 | Xho | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/0c/ZalkargBaby.png/revision/latest?cb=20111018204840 Oh yeah now I remember |
| 21:06.23 | OluapPlayer_ | lern 2 read |
| 21:06.32 | Xho | Kicath - #abusezalkarg #staywoke |
| 21:06.33 | Technobliterator | I still don't remember even after seeing that |
| 21:06.33 | Technobliterator | :| |
| 21:06.36 | Monet | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/0c/ZalkargBaby.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/130?cb=20111018204840 |
| 21:06.39 | OluapPlayer_ | I didn't know they were that big though |
| 21:06.53 | OluapPlayer_ | 6 feet is nearly 2 meters tall |
| 21:07.12 | Monet | Height1.33m - 1.76m |
| 21:07.21 | OluapPlayer_ | fokin' ell |
| 21:07.28 | OluapPlayer_ | Lots of bacon |
| 21:07.52 | Monet | "A starving Zalkarg can bite his owner for him to give him food, but sometimes, Zalkargs can seek food, however at the cost of the cleanliness of a Kraw's kitchen." |
| 21:07.58 | Monet | How is this a good pet idea? |
| 21:08.17 | Technobliterator | that sounds |
| 21:08.19 | Technobliterator | kinda stupid |
| 21:08.19 | OluapPlayer_ | this is clearly not a tame animal what are you thinking Kraw - piggy tho <3 |
| 21:08.33 | Monet | Every time it goes on the scrounge it demolishes the kitchen |
| 21:08.47 | Xho | Just like me |
| 21:08.48 | Hachiman | this is clearly not a hospitable species what are you thinking Kraw - asgord tho <3 |
| 21:09.00 | OluapPlayer_ | I'm not particularly against large pets though |
| 21:09.02 | Monet | Oh wait this is an adults Zalkarg http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/c9/AdultZalkargLarge.png/revision/latest?cb=20111018153501 |
| 21:09.06 | OluapPlayer_ | Especially not after playing Dwarf Fortress |
| 21:09.21 | Xho | still retarded af |
| 21:09.25 | OluapPlayer_ | That's a game where you can turn elephants and dragons into house pets |
| 21:09.38 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Eza%27naerani_Dominion Also, started the White Panthers Movement |
| 21:09.47 | Monet | This creature would never work in an English house. |
| 21:09.55 | Hachiman | Nine White Lives Matter |
| 21:10.06 | Xho | White [Cat] Power |
| 21:10.13 | OluapPlayer_ | I think you're being a bit harsh on the idea |
| 21:10.27 | Hachiman | >Nine-Faced God |
| 21:10.32 | Hachiman | a cat is no one |
| 21:10.51 | Xho | Aw crap that was an untentional link there Nine-Faced God Nine Lives |
| 21:10.53 | OluapPlayer_ | Reckless behavior aside, if the pig thing is something the Kraw had domesticated since their early days, their homes would be built to house them |
| 21:11.00 | Xho | unintentional |
| 21:11.13 | Monet | OluapPlayer: Sort of a joke at English expense as English houses are teeny-tiny |
| 21:11.26 | OluapPlayer_ | Ah |
| 21:11.29 | Technobliterator | they're not that small |
| 21:11.32 | OluapPlayer_ | the joke was on me this time |
| 21:11.43 | Hachiman | Fucking English doorways mate |
| 21:12.13 | Hachiman | A fucking dog can fill up the width of an English doorway, imagine a 2m tall pig thing |
| 21:12.30 | OluapPlayer_ | Make a bigger house to live in goddamn |
| 21:12.48 | Hachiman | hao bout u fukn make a house at all u tree-dwelling ape person |
| 21:13.02 | OluapPlayer_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHfyAnIkYUc |
| 21:13.08 | Monet | Tiny island, tiny houses. |
| 21:13.52 | Hachiman | Ah, yes, my favourite ape |
| 21:13.54 | Hachiman | The Jonobo |
| 21:13.59 | OluapPlayer_ | kek |
| 21:14.56 | Monet | I am sort of tempted to retcon that pet zalkargs are much smaller than zalkargs bred ot be eaten |
| 21:15.15 | Monet | 2m in height/length is a lot of potential pork. |
| 21:16.29 | OluapPlayer_ | That's something you could do |
| 21:16.34 | Monet | To lighten the mood have a Toriel https://youtu.be/-CbA_fNoUHM?t=7s |
| 21:17.05 | OluapPlayer_ | dats a goat not a pig |
| 21:17.07 | OluapPlayer_ | Cute though |
| 21:17.19 | Hachiman | Horrifying goat person that kidnaps children |
| 21:17.23 | Hachiman | And force feeds them snails |
| 21:17.38 | OluapPlayer_ | This discussion reminded me of the time I tried to give pets to the Dracogonarious |
| 21:17.41 | OluapPlayer_ | they all looked like dogshit |
| 21:18.05 | Xho | Now I'm just imagining Dracs taking literal turds out for a walk |
| 21:18.06 | Xho | gg oluap |
| 21:19.23 | Monet | OluapPlayer: Can't go wrong with plushies. |
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| 21:39.19 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 21:40.12 | Monet | hi |
| 21:45.27 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: She ded no |
| 21:45.30 | Imperios | now |
| 21:45.44 | OluapPlayer_ | Viking god is now free to move around as he pleases |
| 21:45.48 | OluapPlayer_ | What have you doooone |
| 21:46.05 | Monet | :All In A Day's Work: |
| 21:46.11 | OluapPlayer_ | Congrats though |
| 21:46.23 | OluapPlayer_ | How was the fight? |
| 21:46.43 | Monet | Gotta say, as cheesy as the Halls are, I like the references in the Vikings. |
| 21:49.15 | Wormy_ | Monet: Are you watching Vikings? |
| 21:50.12 | Monet | I'm not. |
| 21:50.26 | Monet | I was referring to the Vrykul and Val'Kyr in WoW |
| 21:50.32 | Monet | Coz Helya. |
| 21:50.32 | OluapPlayer_ | Actually considering how prominent Odyn and Helya's storylines are, and the fact Odyn is the warrior class' boss |
| 21:50.44 | OluapPlayer_ | Warriors confirmed main characters |
| 21:50.48 | OluapPlayer_ | manliest class wins again |
| 21:51.09 | Hachiman | Hey historian guys, I need some advice for something |
| 21:51.18 | Hachiman | So DrodoEmpire, Imperios, Monet, etc |
| 21:51.20 | Monet | Shoot. |
| 21:51.27 | Imperios | Who dares summon me |
| 21:51.42 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Chaotic |
| 21:51.45 | Monet | *lighting* |
| 21:51.50 | Hachiman | What facilities and establishments do you feel would be necessary, or at least highly beneficial, to a Medieval era European town of moderate size |
| 21:52.20 | Imperios | A church, that's a given, a town hall, maybe an inn of some kind |
| 21:52.28 | Imperios | A little trade district |
| 21:52.41 | Monet | If we're talking a town maybe a local blacksmith. |
| 21:52.45 | Hachiman | So, a marketplace |
| 21:53.06 | OluapPlayer_ | an auction house where the strange adventures put all of their weird purple-coloured armor and cages filled with zombies, succubi, birds and oozes |
| 21:53.26 | Hachiman | Khara - brilliant time to sell by x50 ghouls |
| 21:53.31 | Monet | Well Oluap's not far off actually. |
| 21:53.57 | OluapPlayer_ | Funny you say that, I've been trying to sell a ghoul pet for ages now |
| 21:53.59 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, a marketplace area, places of worship, some form of keep or barracks or garrison |
| 21:54.00 | OluapPlayer_ | Never worked |
| 21:54.08 | DrodoEmpire | The city might also be walled |
| 21:54.23 | Hachiman | I was gonna say, how well fortified were Medieval towns usually |
| 21:54.29 | DrodoEmpire | Or rather, parts of it might be walled |
| 21:54.34 | Monet | Pretty solidly |
| 21:54.37 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno, depends on the region as far as I know |
| 21:54.48 | DrodoEmpire | The real fortifications tended to be around castles |
| 21:54.50 | Monet | Perhaps a militia garrison |
| 21:55.10 | DrodoEmpire | But, yeah, many significant ones had walls around certain districts at least |
| 21:55.30 | Monet | A wall might vary between a palisade and a proper crenelated wall, depends on how wealthy and prosperous the town was. |
| 21:55.35 | Hachiman | I'm asking because I wanna try and capture the feel of the town that my next planned fic will take place in, which is located in the Duskwoods - which is riddled with ghouls, zombies, and other forms of undead and dark creatures |
| 21:55.40 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 21:55.49 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah it'd probably be fortified then |
| 21:55.53 | OluapPlayer_ | region which belongs to me thx |
| 21:56.03 | Hachiman | yeh sur wateva |
| 21:56.04 | DrodoEmpire | A common phenomenon in larger, older cities is to have multiple layers of walls |
| 21:56.13 | DrodoEmpire | That are of wildly different ages |
| 21:56.52 | DrodoEmpire | Because what often happened was that the "old city" would have a wall, basically encapsulating the innermost bit, and then later constructions would surround newer parts of the city or slums |
| 21:57.02 | Hachiman | And how easy would it be to penetrate or shatter such a town's fortifications? |
| 21:57.10 | DrodoEmpire | Sieges could take years |
| 21:57.17 | Monet | Again depends on the fortifications you have |
| 21:57.19 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 21:57.34 | DrodoEmpire | A common thing in high-quality walls was the ability to actually store grain near or within them |
| 21:57.45 | Hachiman | Huh |
| 21:57.49 | Monet | A proper stone wall would see off anything barring a full-on army. |
| 21:57.52 | Hachiman | As in, inside the actual walls? |
| 21:57.59 | Monet | Inside the walls yeah |
| 21:58.00 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, or in attached storehouses |
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| 21:58.44 | DrodoEmpire | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(AD_70) - A good example of a multi-walled, ancient city |
| 21:58.56 | DrodoEmpire | (And how the siege went) |
| 21:59.09 | Monet | It wasn't uncommon for a city or castle's walls to have something inside them. The outer wall was often several metres thick but not so much the walls that divided these passages from the outside. |
| 21:59.19 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 21:59.38 | OluapPlayer_ | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/20/Zulij%27Ahjin.png/revision/latest?cb=20170128215921 trolle king |
| 21:59.42 | DrodoEmpire | I guess what's important to remember is that walls and city fortifications were very expensive, and most were very, very old |
| 22:00.03 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: That's really damn impressive |
| 22:00.06 | DrodoEmpire | So they probably aren't *the most* optimised for the current city's defense, but they'll go the job |
| 22:00.13 | DrodoEmpire | *do the job |
| 22:00.19 | Hachiman | I've never seen that asset he's holding though |
| 22:00.25 | Monet | I have |
| 22:00.29 | DrodoEmpire | Oluap: Oh nice |
| 22:00.30 | Monet | That's a healer's staff |
| 22:00.35 | OluapPlayer_ | It's the healer staff |
| 22:00.36 | OluapPlayer_ | But upside down |
| 22:01.01 | OluapPlayer_ | Also the Duskwoods colony is only about a hundred years old, whatever defenses are there are recently built |
| 22:01.11 | Monet | AH |
| 22:01.12 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 22:01.18 | DrodoEmpire | Is it a very rich settlement? |
| 22:01.39 | Hachiman | Well, the town I had in mind would be younger than the initial settlement(s) that were first established |
| 22:01.43 | OluapPlayer_ | I'm not sure about that |
| 22:01.45 | Hachiman | Less than 100 years, definitely |
| 22:01.53 | Hachiman | Maybe around 70-80 |
| 22:01.55 | OluapPlayer_ | I don't really own the Empire of Man being one slice of it |
| 22:02.05 | OluapPlayer_ | other than* |
| 22:02.08 | DrodoEmpire | Right. I'd say that if its a middling town less than a century old it may only have so-so defenses |
| 22:02.10 | OluapPlayer_ | not sure where that being came from |
| 22:02.41 | OluapPlayer_ | But it was a collaborative effort between at least 4 human provinces, so it's probably very well funded |
| 22:02.43 | DrodoEmpire | A solidly-built wooden wall, snugly containing the city perhaps |
| 22:02.51 | OluapPlayer_ | The settlers went there knowing the danger |
| 22:03.02 | DrodoEmpire | Ah, well if its well-funded then I might be wrong |
| 22:03.10 | DrodoEmpire | Fortifications might actually be a priority |
| 22:03.25 | OluapPlayer_ | Of course, the place literally breeds undead out of the ground |
| 22:03.26 | Hachiman | 120 years, specifically |
| 22:03.32 | OluapPlayer_ | Defenses would be the first thing to do |
| 22:03.38 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 22:03.39 | Monet | So maybe there's a castle in this town? |
| 22:03.39 | Hachiman | Since the Imperials got there in 85 BNA |
| 22:03.54 | Hachiman | Probably |
| 22:04.00 | OluapPlayer_ | Yeah probably |
| 22:04.07 | DrodoEmpire | Well, if its young, well-funded, and in a dangerous place, I can see the fortifications being much stronger than usual for a town its size |
| 22:04.11 | Hachiman | I imagine that's where the duke or baron or whoever happens to govern the town resides |
| 22:04.27 | Imperios | There does not have to be a duke |
| 22:04.37 | Imperios | In fact it is very likely for a town to be self-governed |
| 22:04.47 | DrodoEmpire | (I can't see it attracting many immigrants, so urban sprawl outside of wall boundaries shouldn't be an issue) |
| 22:04.50 | Hachiman | By a...? |
| 22:04.52 | OluapPlayer_ | I don't imagine there's only one town in the Duskwoods |
| 22:04.55 | Monet | What we could have is a castle being the focial point of the Old Town |
| 22:05.00 | Imperios | A mayor, duh |
| 22:05.05 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 22:05.10 | OluapPlayer_ | I can see there being multiple |
| 22:05.14 | Monet | Hachiman: The peerage can influence the title |
| 22:05.23 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah cities usually had several towns and villages feeding into it |
| 22:05.28 | Hachiman | I was gonna say, Leonberg (the settlement's name) would be a northerly settlement established after the initial migration |
| 22:05.40 | Hachiman | So it's definitely younger than 120 years |
| 22:05.42 | Imperios | An elected ruler is actually viable |
| 22:05.48 | Imperios | If there IS a duke he likely does not rule over a specific town but over a larger area |
| 22:05.52 | Imperios | Which includes the town |
| 22:05.58 | Monet | A town with a local duke as governor would be a Duchy Capital. |
| 22:06.03 | OluapPlayer_ | Other than the usual defenses, Aynachian knights travel there every couple of months to go DEUS VULT on the undead population |
| 22:06.08 | Monet | And dukes were second in authority to the local king |
| 22:06.11 | OluapPlayer_ | But that must be like, twice or thrice per year |
| 22:06.33 | Imperios | So thus duke would likely be in his own manor/homestead and visit his towns occasionally |
| 22:06.42 | Hachiman | Right makes sense |
| 22:07.06 | OluapPlayer_ | Enigmarans - get off our forest u fokin humies |
| 22:07.13 | Hachiman | Khara - lok'tar ogar |
| 22:07.37 | Monet | The hierarchy goes King > duke > earl > count > viscount baron |
| 22:08.05 | Monet | viscount > baron |
| 22:08.23 | OluapPlayer_ | There could be a duke. I don't imagine the colony answers to anyone but the Grand Monarch since it's not owned by any single province |
| 22:08.42 | Hachiman | The guy the Grand Monarch chose to collect taxes from all the settlements |
| 22:09.53 | Imperios | Actually, considering how the Empire of Man is kind of based on the HRE, Leonberg could be completely independent from ANY noble, like Free Imperial Cities in the HRE |
| 22:10.01 | Imperios | And answer directly to the GM |
| 22:10.01 | Hachiman | Eh |
| 22:10.11 | Imperios | Although, that's unlikely considering it is kind of small |
| 22:10.23 | Imperios | Only important cities could get that privilege |
| 22:10.33 | Hachiman | Right so, since Leonberg isn't exactly a capital settlement and is younger than the first initial towns, being a few decades off 100 years old, I do imagine its government probably answers to someone else from the more significant territories |
| 22:10.39 | Charles_Bot | Hey |
| 22:11.00 | OluapPlayer_ | Leonberg isn't the heart of the Duskwoods |
| 22:11.06 | OluapPlayer_ | Whichever was the first settlement is |
| 22:11.13 | OluapPlayer_ | Whoever rules the place lives there |
| 22:11.28 | Monet | Ah. |
| 22:11.37 | DrodoEmpire | Hi Charles |
| 22:12.05 | Monet | In Medieval Europe a town's size and prosperity was usually a very strong indicator of its importance and prosperity. |
| 22:12.11 | Imperios | Probably the big honcho in the Duskwoods, or to one of his subordinate aristocrats |
| 22:12.30 | Imperios | But even in that case they wouldn't likely govern directly; some sort of self-government is likely |
| 22:12.34 | Imperios | Maybe a council of nobles |
| 22:12.38 | Charles_Bot | They also worked very differently from modern cities |
| 22:12.39 | Imperios | Or just rich people |
| 22:13.12 | Hachiman | So, GM is basically like "I trust you with governing yourselves, don't fuck up" |
| 22:13.44 | Monet | As I think Drodo mentioned, towns in Medieval Europe tended to be supported by the villages around them. |
| 22:14.23 | Imperios | Not the GM personally, that's probably only for the largest cities |
| 22:14.39 | Imperios | But the local aristocrat probably couldn't be bothered with governing towns personally |
| 22:14.41 | Hachiman | So, stuff to include in Leonberg; church, maybe multiple to encompass the different ethnic groups, a marketplace / trade district, blacksmith's shop (given since Khara's grandfather is a blacksmith), so-so fortifications and a garrison / barracks for the town guard, place of residence for the native and visiting knights? |
| 22:15.05 | OluapPlayer_ | They should be bothered when the place is as dangerous as it is |
| 22:15.21 | DrodoEmpire | Eh, yeah |
| 22:15.26 | DrodoEmpire | Those facilities could do it |
| 22:15.45 | Hachiman | Anything else more just adds to the authenticity and benefits me more |
| 22:15.49 | DrodoEmpire | Though above just a blacksmith tradesmen in general |
| 22:15.57 | DrodoEmpire | Tanners, etc. |
| 22:16.03 | Monet | In real life the nobility tended not to only do enough that the peasants were content and paying their tithes and taxes. |
| 22:16.11 | Hachiman | Oh, and an inn / tavern |
| 22:16.32 | OluapPlayer_ | Each dead peasant is a potential risen corpse in the Duskwoods |
| 22:17.00 | Hachiman | I imagine that the Imperial Duskwoods settlements are the kind of places where you'd see bodies being burned on pyres on the regular |
| 22:17.19 | Monet | OluapPlayer_:That might be more of a knight's problem. |
| 22:17.35 | Hachiman | That or those corpses that are buried undergo those weird anti-vampire practices that people used to do to corpses |
| 22:17.38 | OluapPlayer_ | Knights aren't the ones running the place |
| 22:17.57 | Hachiman | Where a brick is placed in their mouths and their teeth are smashed |
| 22:17.58 | OluapPlayer_ | If the nobles don't take care of the population, a zombie apocalypse will happen |
| 22:18.01 | Monet | Knights are usually charged with a parcel of land that they protect and manage. |
| 22:18.37 | OluapPlayer_ | Burning the corpses is probably one way of keeping them down |
| 22:19.23 | Monet | What I mean is the local governor would entrust keeping the number of undead and healthy peasants in check to his knights. |
| 22:19.26 | Hachiman | So, to answer one of my original questions; what kind of politician would be governing Leonberg hur |
| 22:19.41 | Hachiman | If not a duke, how far down the ladder? |
| 22:19.42 | OluapPlayer_ | Ask Imp |
| 22:19.51 | Monet | If it's not a regional capital probably not a duke. |
| 22:19.52 | Imperios | Some sort of council of wealthy burghers perhaps? |
| 22:20.15 | Hachiman | Silly Imp, burgers are food |
| 22:20.30 | OluapPlayer_ | Well, the Duskwoods' head settlement is definitely the capital of the forest |
| 22:20.34 | DrodoEmpire | As in wealthy urban dwellers <.< |
| 22:20.41 | DrodoEmpire | Not food |
| 22:20.45 | OluapPlayer_ | There aren't any other Imperial territories around the area |
| 22:20.49 | Imperios | Burghers as in happy merchants |
| 22:20.55 | Imperios | clasps hands |
| 22:21.07 | OluapPlayer_ | I could really go for a burger right about now |
| 22:21.29 | Monet | Burgher means "person from a borough" |
| 22:21.38 | Imperios | If you want the title |
| 22:21.40 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 22:21.42 | OluapPlayer_ | Time to get dinner then, brb |
| 22:21.46 | Imperios | Burgomeister? |
| 22:21.49 | Hachiman | kek |
| 22:21.52 | Hachiman | Burgomeister |
| 22:21.55 | Hachiman | Fucking what |
| 22:22.14 | Monet | Means "master of the town" |
| 22:22.17 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 22:22.23 | Imperios | Bürgermeister |
| 22:22.26 | Imperios | My mistake |
| 22:22.32 | Hachiman | And there'd only be one of these, or like Imp said, a small council? |
| 22:22.54 | Monet | Burgomeisters were the chief magistrates. |
| 22:22.55 | Imperios | Could be a burger boss answering a small collegium of wealthy burgers |
| 22:23.16 | Imperios | ...I am hungry now |
| 22:23.41 | Hachiman | I get reminded of that talk we had a while ago about a Mannazian who founds the first burger fast food chain with the help of alchemy |
| 22:24.14 | Hachiman | So, what kind of people became or would be considered burghers? |
| 22:24.32 | Monet | Whatever the administrative division of the Duskwoods is - a barony, duchy, or earldom or whatever, the baron/earl/duke would have their primary residence in Duskwoods' main city. |
| 22:25.41 | Imperios | Probably most relatively well-off residents |
| 22:25.51 | Imperios | Burghers = citizens basically |
| 22:26.00 | Hachiman | And how do you become a well-off citizen in a Medieval town hur |
| 22:26.04 | Imperios | The poor and the menial laborers would likely be denied citizenship rights |
| 22:26.08 | Hachiman | Like gimme professions pls |
| 22:26.08 | Imperios | By being an artisan |
| 22:26.18 | Imperios | Smiths, glassmakers, tanners, or something |
| 22:26.19 | Imperios | Tailors |
| 22:26.34 | Monet | Beyond that if you can afford an education, you can become a burgher. |
| 22:26.34 | Imperios | There could probably be a few guilds |
| 22:26.56 | Hachiman | So, Khara's grandfather could be a burgher? |
| 22:27.07 | Hachiman | He's a blacksmith / former knight |
| 22:27.21 | Monet | "bourgeoisie" is a derivative of "burgher" |
| 22:27.27 | Monet | If it helps |
| 22:27.47 | Imperios | Former knight as in was he stripped of his status or resigned himself |
| 22:28.00 | Hachiman | Resigned himself to live quietly |
| 22:28.42 | Imperios | He'd probably remain a noble in that case, so he's likely to be quite privileged in a town |
| 22:29.05 | Imperios | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/burgomaster If burgermeister sounds too odd for you you could use the Dutch equivalent |
| 22:29.12 | Imperios | Or just go for the English term, whatever it is |
| 22:29.30 | Monet | Burgomaster |
| 22:30.04 | Imperios | Ohgod I found the native English term |
| 22:30.05 | Imperios | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reeve_(England) |
| 22:30.08 | Imperios | reeve |
| 22:30.11 | Monet | or could just call him a mayor |
| 22:30.12 | Imperios | That sounds ew |
| 22:31.00 | Hachiman | So, a small council of generally wealthy citizens, perhaps aided by the head of the local clergy and the town guard, guided by a burgomaster / mayor |
| 22:31.29 | Imperios | Yep |
| 22:31.38 | Hachiman | Right, that's easy to understand |
| 22:32.08 | Monet | Regarding places of worship, a town's places of worship would have been built from financial contributions by the faithful in the community. |
| 22:32.37 | Hachiman | And then I suppose there'd be neighbouring, less well-defended villages where Leonberg would get its farm supplies and whatnot |
| 22:32.47 | Monet | Bu it's not unheard of, under the Ottomans Constantinople had numerous places both mosques and Orthodox churches. |
| 22:32.59 | Imperios | For example, yes |
| 22:33.15 | Monet | Regarding villages, yes. |
| 22:33.27 | Hachiman | I was gonna say, Leonberg would very likely have multiple ethnic groups with differing faiths among the populace |
| 22:33.40 | Monet | Smaller towns were pretty dependant on what was produced in these villages by |
| 22:33.52 | Hachiman | So there'd be churches for both Ahmalhrich and whatever deity the non-Mannazians worship, Pheonas and whatnot |
| 22:34.07 | Monet | Hachiman: Whichever faith was predominant would build the biggest house of worship, presumably. |
| 22:34.17 | Hachiman | Of course |
| 22:34.53 | Hachiman | So, what kinda stuff would villages supply that a Medieval town could not by itself produce? |
| 22:35.26 | Imperios | Mostly food I presume |
| 22:35.34 | Imperios | > whatever deity the non-Mannazians worship, Pheonas and whatnot |
| 22:35.38 | Imperios | That sounded offensive hur |
| 22:35.41 | Monet | Food, maybe wood. |
| 22:35.43 | Hachiman | Sorry hur |
| 22:35.51 | Hachiman | So, fish, grain, wood, meat |
| 22:36.06 | Monet | Peasants were simple folk. |
| 22:36.09 | Hachiman | It sounds kinda weird not having a source of food within the town |
| 22:36.25 | Monet | Towns would often have farms around them |
| 22:36.50 | Monet | But the labourers on those farms were usually either peasants or freemen. |
| 22:36.55 | OluapPlayer_ | I couldn't get a burger, but at least I had something to eat |
| 22:37.24 | Monet | It's unlikely a burgher would lower him/herself to work on a farm. |
| 22:37.47 | Hachiman | Makes sense |
| 22:37.55 | Hachiman | So, hillbilly jobs |
| 22:38.06 | Monet | Yeah. |
| 22:38.47 | Hachiman | One thing that bothers me about Koldenwelt's maps is that I don't recall any version where we have a comprehensible list of rivers that run through the regions |
| 22:39.16 | Monet | I always assumed that Koldenwelt was so huge that rivers were hard to see. |
| 22:39.39 | Xho | That was the idea |
| 22:39.45 | Xho | I mean we can do a river map separate of the main map |
| 22:39.50 | Monet | That and rivers could be added as they were needed. |
| 22:39.59 | Xho | Although I don't recall any rivers being minimally 4 miles wide |
| 22:40.10 | Monet | Because pretty much every major city in Europe has a local river. |
| 22:40.57 | Monet | Capital cities especially - they were arteries for trade. |
| 22:42.11 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:42.14 | Imperios | I did a few regional maps which include rivers |
| 22:42.22 | DrodoEmpire | I did say that Halfiaxia is set along a river |
| 22:42.55 | Imperios | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/6d/Freelander_Map.png/revision/latest?cb=20150319172733 There |
| 22:43.10 | Imperios | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a8/Tartarion_Map.png/revision/latest?cb=20131228083017 This one even names its rivers |
| 22:43.11 | Monet | If we had a premade set of rivers, it would limit where new fictions could go. |
| 22:43.32 | OluapPlayer_ | Yes |
| 22:43.42 | OluapPlayer_ | We don't need a river map. Just make rivers up when needed |
| 22:44.03 | Imperios | As I said rivers work better for regional maps |
| 22:45.51 | Xho | I did one for the Meridian Island as well |
| 22:45.54 | Xho | Wherever that image is |
| 22:46.17 | Xho | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/c3/MeridianIslandPic.png/revision/latest?cb=20160413205438 Here it is |
| 22:50.15 | Hachiman | Imperios: Perhaps the head of Leonberg's town guard is Alhassan? If so, mind giving me a hard-ass sounding name? |
| 22:50.31 | Imperios | Timurbeq the Hammer |
| 22:50.52 | Hachiman | And surname? |
| 22:51.29 | Xho | Allahuakbar |
| 22:51.35 | Hachiman | kek |
| 22:51.38 | Imperios | You could use the Hammer as a surname, though if you need one, hammerfall |
| 22:51.55 | Hachiman | rite |
| 22:51.56 | Imperios | Also maybe a Turkic name does not fit them |
| 22:51.57 | Imperios | In that case |
| 22:52.04 | Imperios | Jabarr-Darr Hammerfall |
| 22:52.27 | OluapPlayer_ | hammerrfarr |
| 22:52.44 | Xho | Jar-Jar Hammerfall |
| 22:53.35 | Wormy_ | More Viking stoof http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Recent_works#Forgotten_age.3B_40.2C000_B.C.E-1000_C.E.2C_Orion_Spur |
| 22:53.42 | Imperios | Turkic names, at least the Central Asian ones are ridiculously badass |
| 22:53.47 | Imperios | If you translate them that is |
| 22:54.09 | Imperios | Like say the president of Kazakhstan is "Nursultan Nazarbayev" |
| 22:54.30 | Imperios | Which translates into "King of Light, Lord of Sight" |
| 22:54.44 | Hachiman | And what term would you apply to a worshipper of Pheonas or an object with religious connotations tied to that faith? Pheonian? |
| 22:54.52 | Hachiman | Also yes, that does sound ridiculously cool hbur |
| 22:55.44 | Imperios | Since his church is called the "Hallowdom" |
| 22:55.47 | Imperios | Hallowed perhaps? |
| 22:55.51 | Hachiman | Fair enough |
| 22:56.02 | Imperios | There was also that film director who made the last Ben-Hur remake |
| 22:56.07 | Imperios | Timur Bekmambetov |
| 22:56.38 | Imperios | "Iron Glorious Lord" |
| 22:57.17 | Imperios | Seriously I think Kazakhs invent names just by mashing random cool-sounding words in their language together |
| 22:58.02 | Monet | Khazakstan. more like Nopressurestan |
| 22:58.38 | OluapPlayer_ | I keep reading it as Karazhan |
| 22:58.48 | Imperios | Also I like how half of their names include "timur", i.e. "iron", in their word |
| 22:58.49 | Imperios | names |
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| 22:59.15 | Imperios | OluapPlayer_: Jokes on you, "karazhan" is actually a word in Kazakh |
| 22:59.17 | Imperios | Or rather two words |
| 22:59.28 | Imperios | "kara" is "black" |
| 22:59.33 | Imperios | "zhan" is "spirit" |
| 22:59.34 | OluapPlayer_ | i will never be free of this hell |
| 22:59.48 | Hachiman | Gotta wonder what Lanfrank's reputation is like around Leonberg, given that his daughter married a Black Orc mercenary and his granddaughter is a halfblooded ruffian |
| 22:59.49 | Xho | #verynice |
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| 22:59.56 | Monet | That's...quite appropriate. |
| 22:59.57 | OluapPlayer_ | I suppose black spirit fits being possessed by Sargeras |
| 23:00.21 | Monet | Hachiman: "Ew dirty halfblood" |
| 23:00.44 | OluapPlayer_ | "could be worse, could be another undead wyvern" |
| 23:00.50 | Monet | Good thing as a mayor he's not full nobility. |
| 23:00.55 | Hachiman | He's not mayor |
| 23:01.02 | Hachiman | He's part of the town council though |
| 23:01.41 | Imperios | Oh and there is a female Kazakh name "Guldana", but I think I already mentioned thiws |
| 23:01.44 | Imperios | *this |
| 23:01.56 | Hachiman | Lanfrank loves his family, even the halfblooded troublemaker, and as a man who just wants to live quietly he probably doesn't care too greatly about prioritising his reputation as nobility above his kin |
| 23:01.57 | Monet | At least I think the Empire still practices shunning marrying commoners. |
| 23:02.37 | Imperios | Well I actually imagine that due to its origins the Empire at least TRIES to be meritocratic |
| 23:02.45 | Imperios | There are probably ways for commoners to acquire nobility |
| 23:03.07 | OluapPlayer_ | You don't hate on the person who can break your nose with one punch |
| 23:03.45 | Monet | OluapPlayer: The law would protect the shit-talking nobility |
| 23:03.59 | OluapPlayer_ | the undead will eat the law |
| 23:03.59 | OluapPlayer_ | checkmate atheists |
| 23:04.00 | OluapPlayer_ | Especially when they're a hero in the making |
| 23:04.30 | Hachiman | Khara's probably not very popular around Leonberg, and while she's technically nobility, that doesn't stop her from getting her shit kicked in when she gets involved in a ruckus |
| 23:04.34 | Monet | She kills/hospitalises one of them, she's the one under arrest for assault. |
| 23:04.41 | OluapPlayer_ | I get the feeling people aren't taking the Duskwoods' cursed threat as seriously as they should |
| 23:05.12 | Xho | Man I thought we were talking about WoW |
| 23:05.18 | Hachiman | Oh I most certainly do, it's why I chose for her to come from the Duskwoods |
| 23:05.47 | Monet | I do, I'm just saying the local citizens might not so much. |
| 23:06.00 | Monet | It might be my pessimism talking. |
| 23:06.10 | OluapPlayer_ | They should, they're the main victims of said cursed threats |
| 23:06.27 | Hachiman | They should, but peasants tend to be fucking idiots given that they're uneducated |
| 23:06.38 | OluapPlayer_ | Enigmaran - at least we get an easy meal |
| 23:06.57 | Imperios | Xho: WoW has no empires |
| 23:07.09 | Imperios | Currently existing at least |
| 23:07.10 | Hachiman | Lanfrank and other well-off citizens probably are far more aware of the threat the curse poses |
| 23:07.16 | Xho | asjafj |
| 23:07.35 | OluapPlayer_ | You got undead, werebeasts, vampires, liches, fire-breathing hounds, cruel goblins and orcs who hate outsiders |
| 23:07.44 | OluapPlayer_ | Oh and wyverns |
| 23:07.48 | Monet | I mean maybe the nobility's consigned to keeping the problem down by sending knights on a murder-spree every now and then. |
| 23:07.59 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 23:08.07 | Hachiman | That is exactly what they do hur |
| 23:08.18 | Hachiman | It gives the Aynachian lads good practice |
| 23:08.39 | OluapPlayer_ | Aynach's undead purges, like I said, only happen twice or thrice per year |
| 23:08.44 | Monet | "See guys we care, see our brave knights march out to do hero stuff. Now hand me another glass of wine" |
| 23:08.48 | OluapPlayer_ | The threat of the Duskwoods exists daily |
| 23:08.54 | Hachiman | Oh, I thought they were monthly |
| 23:09.15 | OluapPlayer_ | No, they happen every 6 months or so |
| 23:09.23 | OluapPlayer_ | It takes a long time to travel from Aynach to the Duskwoods |
| 23:09.33 | Hachiman | Ah, well, of course |
| 23:09.46 | Hachiman | I imagine the Aynachians probably stay a while though |
| 23:09.56 | OluapPlayer_ | They do, but they have to leave eventually |
| 23:10.10 | Monet | I was talking local bands of knights going out and killing |
| 23:10.43 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm, well one thing that was a real societal problem back in the day was having a bored warrior-class with nothing to fight |
| 23:10.47 | Hachiman | Oh, there are definitely local knights barring the Aynachians; Mannazian knights and whatnot |
| 23:10.49 | DrodoEmpire | That sorta thing causes unrest |
| 23:11.00 | OluapPlayer_ | There are many things to fight in the Duskwoods |
| 23:11.05 | OluapPlayer_ | Perhaps too many things, in fact |
| 23:11.07 | DrodoEmpire | So having them periodically go out on an undead killing spree is a brilliant solution to this issue |
| 23:11.30 | OluapPlayer_ | The chances of you leaving the walls only to get jumped by a swarm of sadistic dark goblins is very high |
| 23:11.43 | Monet | Someone verify but I think when it came to the Black Death there was this idea of "If I keep away from the filthy peasants maybe I won't die" |
| 23:11.45 | Hachiman | I mean, hey, if Japan had a regular undead crisis to send the excessive amounts of Samurai following the unification of their country |
| 23:11.58 | Hachiman | Then Korea probably would have been spared a lot of blood |
| 23:12.01 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:12.03 | DrodoEmpire | Exactly |
| 23:12.18 | OluapPlayer_ | Also, these knights die too |
| 23:12.20 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm how does the countryside survive then Oluap? Are the villages that provide the cities with food and people fairly well protected too> |
| 23:12.22 | DrodoEmpire | *? |
| 23:12.32 | Hachiman | Probably |
| 23:12.35 | OluapPlayer_ | DrodoEmpire: They should if they want to survive |
| 23:12.40 | Hachiman | Adventurers are also a thing, alongside knights |
| 23:12.48 | DrodoEmpire | I can see there being some sort of smaller forts around each, which'd get expensive but it'd be necessarily also |
| 23:12.55 | OluapPlayer_ | If there's no protection, hostile wildlife is gonna prowl in and eat whatever it can find, people included |
| 23:12.56 | DrodoEmpire | *or rather, at each |
| 23:12.58 | DrodoEmpire | Not around |
| 23:12.59 | Monet | The deadly nature of the Duskwoods will hamper its economy. |
| 23:13.03 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:13.18 | OluapPlayer_ | That's obvious |
| 23:13.22 | DrodoEmpire | It'd be the perfect place to recruit warriors from though |
| 23:13.30 | DrodoEmpire | It'd breed tough men from which to levy |
| 23:13.32 | Hachiman | Adventuring is probably a very profitable business there though |
| 23:13.46 | Hachiman | Tough men and women, in Khara's case |
| 23:13.49 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 23:13.57 | OluapPlayer_ | silly, orcs can't be girls |
| 23:14.01 | Hachiman | kek |
| 23:14.05 | Monet | The huge number of monsters might make make farming and herding dangerous. |
| 23:14.21 | Hachiman | It might cause farmers to pick up their shit though |
| 23:14.36 | OluapPlayer_ | Farming should be practiced at the outskirts of the forest |
| 23:14.38 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah definitely. I can see regular people being armed in response, and again, small wooden forts near the villages |
| 23:14.45 | OluapPlayer_ | The farther you are, the less monsters exit |
| 23:14.46 | OluapPlayer_ | exist* |
| 23:14.52 | Monet | That's good. |
| 23:15.16 | OluapPlayer_ | At the Duskwoods, the deeper you are, the closer you get to the very nasty bits |
| 23:15.25 | Monet | So the region is called Duskwood but the people, farms and villages are mostly outside it. |
| 23:15.37 | Monet | (not contesting just getting an idea) |
| 23:15.51 | OluapPlayer_ | The region is called Duskwoods because it's locked in eternal night |
| 23:16.19 | Monet | It has woods in it tho. |
| 23:16.27 | Xho | Hachiman: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/06/Keleivel2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20170128231547 GOD-EMPEROR AT MAX POWER |
| 23:16.29 | DrodoEmpire | Trees could be different types |
| 23:16.30 | OluapPlayer_ | The curse doesn't affect plant life |
| 23:16.31 | Hachiman | Well, there is a vast amount of land that exists between the Duskwoods and the southern coast to the region's east - I must presume that some have taken to farming there and then import their goods |
| 23:16.35 | OluapPlayer_ | This is something I noted already |
| 23:16.44 | Hachiman | Also, the effects of the curse are noted on the page |
| 23:16.49 | Hachiman | It's weird but it works |
| 23:16.53 | OluapPlayer_ | Plants grow as if the sun was there |
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| 23:17.30 | Monet | How far from the town are the trees. |
| 23:17.40 | Hachiman | Xho: pauldrons not big enough 0/10 |
| 23:17.46 | Hachiman | Probably not too far if you want wood |
| 23:17.52 | Hachiman | And you *want* wood |
| 23:17.52 | OluapPlayer_ | Close |
| 23:18.06 | Imperios | Maybe the plants are mutated to feed on moon energy |
| 23:18.10 | Monet | Usually it's a good idea to clear the trees a mile or so from the town. |
| 23:18.11 | Imperios | or... something |
| 23:18.14 | Hachiman | Moon energy |
| 23:18.16 | Hachiman | wat |
| 23:18.21 | Imperios | Magic |
| 23:18.23 | Hachiman | Moon energy is just sun energy |
| 23:18.23 | Imperios | snort snort |
| 23:18.34 | Imperios | I mean in the fantasy sense |
| 23:18.37 | Hachiman | The light of the moon is sunlight being bounced off u dingy |
| 23:18.40 | OluapPlayer_ | I don't imagine that's a detail worth noting |
| 23:18.42 | Imperios | Some sort of moon-powered magical force |
| 23:18.54 | Imperios | It's the fucking fantasyverse |
| 23:18.59 | Hachiman | inb4 Mannazian princess who draws her magic from the moon |
| 23:19.19 | Xho | Nalashtannylor - https://media.giphy.com/media/KOVlHmbBA09XO/giphy.gif |
| 23:19.22 | Hachiman | Sailor Reich] |
| 23:19.24 | Monet | Clearing trees not only gives you farmable land, it also gives the town sentries a buffer zone if anything crawls from the forest. |
| 23:19.44 | OluapPlayer_ | Right, in that case they probably deforested a part of the land |
| 23:19.50 | Hachiman | Yeah, I was gonna say that amounts of woodland have presumably been cleared |
| 23:19.51 | OluapPlayer_ | The head settlement is definitely deep in the region |
| 23:20.30 | Hachiman | Leonberg is further in the more northerly part of the region, a little more out of the way of the centre |
| 23:20.51 | Monet | Never quite got (aside from "it looks cool") why Darkshire and Goldshire are so embedded in the middle of their respective forests the outskirts are shaded by trees. |
| 23:20.51 | OluapPlayer_ | The head settlement wouldn't be at the center though |
| 23:21.02 | OluapPlayer_ | Center = Enigmar Rift = orcs |
| 23:21.08 | Hachiman | Right right |
| 23:21.26 | Monet | Like there is no buffer between these towns and woodland. |
| 23:21.33 | OluapPlayer_ | Orcs who can and will eat settlers who cross into their territory |
| 23:21.37 | Xho | How about |
| 23:21.40 | Xho | Treehouse settlements |
| 23:21.51 | Hachiman | Aithrena - dun dis |
| 23:21.55 | Imperios | Monet: The trees hide the dark deeds that transpire in these towns |
| 23:21.58 | Monet | Xho: We're talking medieval villages tho. |
| 23:21.58 | Hachiman | And here I was thinking that the Enigmarans were reasonable |
| 23:22.00 | Imperios | Normal dark deeds in Darkshire |
| 23:22.06 | Imperios | And... darker deeds in Goldshire |
| 23:22.09 | OluapPlayer_ | Enigmarans hate outsiders |
| 23:22.16 | Hachiman | Dirty deeds done dirt cheap |
| 23:22.31 | OluapPlayer_ | The fact humans are trying to take control of their land uninvited doesn't make them happy at all |
| 23:22.39 | Monet | tfw sunny Goldshire is a more disturbing place than the spooky forested Darkshire. |
| 23:22.52 | Hachiman | Oh, I was actually gonna ask |
| 23:23.22 | Monet | Xho: I bet that armour is made with platinum. |
| 23:23.29 | Xho | Pretty much |
| 23:23.33 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: Would it be alright if I proposed that there is a Black Orc kingdom located at the Duskwoods |
| 23:23.56 | OluapPlayer_ | I don't think you can fit a kingdom there, especially with the humans already occupying the place |
| 23:24.05 | Hachiman | Duskwoods is a big region |
| 23:24.07 | OluapPlayer_ | The place is big but not that big |
| 23:24.24 | Monet | I contest that logic with Luxembourg and Aragon. |
| 23:24.28 | Hachiman | It wouldn't be like a massive kingdom, anyway |
| 23:24.43 | Hachiman | Like, located in the northwesterly bit while if I recall the humans are located eastward |
| 23:24.55 | Monet | Could be a castle and a few outrlying villages. |
| 23:25.26 | OluapPlayer_ | Why do you want a kingdom there anyway? |
| 23:25.48 | Hachiman | I was gonna say, it'd be more like a city-state with a few neighbouring towns and villages |
| 23:26.11 | Hachiman | Because fertile land and available resources that no one else other than humans and primitive orcs are trying to get ahold of? |
| 23:26.23 | Monet | Well if there are lots of orcs wouldn't that mean they'd at least try and establish something significant? |
| 23:27.13 | OluapPlayer_ | That doesn't answer my question |
| 23:27.37 | OluapPlayer_ | I'm asking you want to put a kingdom there |
| 23:28.29 | Hachiman | Oh, because I figured it could play into fiction in the future and would also give the humans some opposition beyond the Enigmarans and legions of undead - industrial rivals, essentially |
| 23:28.59 | Hachiman | Like, the Duskwoods is dangerous, and Black Orcs are confident (and / or stupid) enough to try and capitalise on the fact that very few races have the balls to throw themselves into danger for that amount of fertile soil and resources |
| 23:29.09 | Imperios | Make them have a big tower-fortress of some kind |
| 23:29.17 | Imperios | And then a few slave settlements under that great fortress |
| 23:29.20 | OluapPlayer_ | I don't know, I think adding another race defeats the point of the human province |
| 23:29.32 | Hachiman | but y tho |
| 23:29.49 | OluapPlayer_ | They're meant to be there to try and tame the savage cursed land |
| 23:29.55 | OluapPlayer_ | Not to compete with rival nations |
| 23:30.50 | Hachiman | I mean, if you say so, it was just a proposition and I thought it could tie into future fiction |
| 23:31.08 | Hachiman | It's not like the orcs wouldn't be doing the same thing |
| 23:31.44 | OluapPlayer_ | Alright, you can put your orcs there |
| 23:32.00 | OluapPlayer_ | As long as they don't occupy too much of the place and don't overshadow the actual native orcs |
| 23:32.00 | Hachiman | Well no, now I feel like I forced you |
| 23:40.29 | Hachiman | Also, I just thought of something cool |
| 23:40.44 | Hachiman | Imperios: Imagine dwarves and Klaxxa building golems and pitting them against each other in arena duelsd |
| 23:40.46 | Hachiman | duels* |
| 23:41.16 | Hachiman | Dwarves, gnomes, and Klaxxa even |
| 23:44.08 | Imperios | That could be a story |
| 23:44.52 | Imperios | Also I remember there being a British TV show with a similar premise, I saw it once |
| 23:44.54 | Imperios | As a kid |
| 23:45.16 | Hachiman | Robot Wars? |
| 23:45.38 | Hachiman | If so, I fucking loved that show hur |
| 23:46.01 | Imperios | Yeah I think |
| 23:46.43 | Imperios | There was a Russian show which consisted of showing various foreign shows |
| 23:46.48 | Imperios | Pardon the tautology |
| 23:46.54 | Imperios | So I only saw one episode |
| 23:47.15 | Hachiman | Shame, it was badass |
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