| 00:00.20 | OluapPlayer | boss fight with skeleton, with added option to tranq and fulton him |
| 00:00.44 | Monet | Wait thing is how abhuman was Skullface besides his physical deformations? |
| 00:00.45 | Hachiman | Skull Face becomes Skeleton Body |
| 00:00.59 | Hachiman | Not sure, but it's likely he's not all that abhuman |
| 00:01.03 | OluapPlayer | He wasn't abhuman |
| 00:01.04 | Hachiman | I think he's a normal guy otherwise |
| 00:01.06 | OluapPlayer | He was just a really ugly man |
| 00:01.19 | Monet | That might be why there was no bossfight, not sure. |
| 00:01.35 | Hachiman | Yeah but you fight normal guys all throughout MG |
| 00:01.37 | OluapPlayer | You fought normal men in other Metal Gear games tho |
| 00:01.39 | OluapPlayer | fug |
| 00:01.53 | Monet | Often they were special in their own way though. |
| 00:01.57 | Hachiman | Skull Face is also the guy who led Naked's cleanups - he is a combat-capable individual |
| 00:01.58 | Monet | Like being really good soldiers. |
| 00:02.04 | OluapPlayer | Ocelot was just a guy with revolvers |
| 00:02.14 | OluapPlayer | You shot him at least 20 times in two games combined |
| 00:02.18 | Monet | Hachiman: But how many years since he last led a cleanup? |
| 00:02.22 | Hachiman | I mean, fuck, Skull Face ONE-HANDS shotguns |
| 00:02.39 | Monet | sawn-off shotguns are designed to work with one hand. |
| 00:02.52 | OluapPlayer | I don't think his shotgun was a sawn-off |
| 00:03.03 | OluapPlayer | It was definitely very large |
| 00:03.07 | Technobliterator | Ocelot is the best villain of the series, though |
| 00:03.14 | Technobliterator | Ocelot > Volgin > Liquid Snake |
| 00:03.17 | Technobliterator | >>> all |
| 00:03.21 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: wut bout happy sadman |
| 00:03.23 | Monet | http://i.imgur.com/4rZZmP6.jpg this? |
| 00:03.24 | OluapPlayer | Speaking of Liquid |
| 00:03.32 | Technobliterator | I do not recall |
| 00:03.36 | OluapPlayer | Eli was a little shit and I hated him every second he appeared on screen |
| 00:03.43 | Technobliterator | Oh yes |
| 00:03.48 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: He means Hot Coldman |
| 00:03.49 | Hachiman | How about Yes Noman |
| 00:03.50 | Technobliterator | And, turns out, didn't even need to be there! |
| 00:03.56 | Technobliterator | yeah, I don't recall Hot Coldman at all |
| 00:03.56 | DrodoEmpire | Natives rose up in revolt like three days in a row o.O |
| 00:04.01 | Monet | If that's the gun it's a carbine, it's designed to be fired while on horceback. |
| 00:04.29 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: Savages |
| 00:04.31 | ImpyDroid | Savages |
| 00:04.35 | ImpyDroid | Barely even humans |
| 00:04.36 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:04.39 | Hachiman | Cabbages, cabbages |
| 00:04.45 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: DETERRENCE |
| 00:04.59 | OluapPlayer | Then The Boss is a giant mech who sings |
| 00:05.10 | Monet | So yeah, Skullface using a gun designed for cavalry one-handed isn't special. |
| 00:05.23 | OluapPlayer | It looked larger in-game |
| 00:05.30 | Hachiman | I have a feeling that part of Oluap's dislike for MGSV is because of the "Such a lust for revenge..." meme |
| 00:05.32 | OluapPlayer | Maybe it's my own wishful thinking |
| 00:05.37 | Technobliterator | I mean, he was cool |
| 00:05.37 | Monet | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/metalgear/images/c/c9/Tumblr_nvdq5vAuch1qjzk4ko6_1280.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150930091916 might be that or the angle |
| 00:05.41 | *** join/#sporewiki Dinolion92 (6028a95e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.40.169.94) |
| 00:05.44 | Technobliterator | but he wasn't as cool as the others |
| 00:05.51 | Dinolion92 | Hi |
| 00:05.55 | Technobliterator | Also, I thought Oluap liked MGSV for its gameplay? ?_? |
| 00:06.05 | Hachiman | I was meant to say Skullface in there |
| 00:06.06 | OluapPlayer | I loved MGSV's gameplay |
| 00:06.10 | Technobliterator | I mean, everyone dislikes the story at this point |
| 00:06.16 | OluapPlayer | I hate the Skull Face meme |
| 00:06.17 | Technobliterator | But the gameplay makes it a fantastic gameplay |
| 00:06.18 | Monet | All the promotional material I'm seeing shows this http://abload.de/img/2014-07-2417_21_56-mgmajzj.png |
| 00:06.18 | Technobliterator | hihi |
| 00:06.29 | Monet | WHich makes sense |
| 00:06.35 | Technobliterator | Hachiman, how goes FFXV? :o |
| 00:06.46 | Hachiman | I stopped at Altissia because I don't like the area hur |
| 00:06.51 | Technobliterator | Pfffft |
| 00:06.58 | Hachiman | I'm yet to pick it back up, been giving BF1 a try in the meantime |
| 00:07.00 | Technobliterator | The endgame is the best part |
| 00:07.02 | Dinolion92 | So, I am thinking about getting a warhammer 40K set. Any advice on what army I should choose, like what is the easiest for beginners? |
| 00:07.02 | Technobliterator | Ah, fair enough |
| 00:07.05 | Monet | Skullface is a Black Hat - he walks around dressed and acting like the bad guy in a Western. |
| 00:07.08 | Technobliterator | Is BF1 any good? |
| 00:07.13 | Hachiman | BF1's good yeah |
| 00:07.22 | OluapPlayer | boyfriend1 |
| 00:07.23 | OluapPlayer | fukin ghey |
| 00:07.33 | Dinolion92 | I like BF1, though after I beat the story I got bored |
| 00:07.34 | Technobliterator | I have been considering trying out that, Doom, Overwatch or Titanfall because I heard they were good, but I do not like shooters |
| 00:07.38 | Monet | Dinolion92: Space Marines are designed to be a balanced newbie army. |
| 00:07.39 | *** join/#sporewiki Dillonator407 (3aa41fca@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.164.31.202) |
| 00:07.43 | Hachiman | Doom and Overwatch are worth playing |
| 00:07.43 | Dinolion92 | Thanks |
| 00:07.47 | Technobliterator | So I wasn't sure if it was worth spending money on |
| 00:07.48 | Dillonator407 | hello |
| 00:07.53 | Dinolion92 | Hi |
| 00:07.55 | Monet | But dino it would also depend what your preferences ar |
| 00:07.58 | Hachiman | Play Doom for the singleplayer though |
| 00:08.08 | Dillonator407 | whats the topic atm? Games? |
| 00:08.24 | Monet | If you're interested in just throwing masses of troops at the enemy, play Orks or Tyranids. |
| 00:08.26 | Technobliterator | yeah, I would definitely lean towards Doom rather than Overwatch, since I don't really enjoy multiplayer a whole lot |
| 00:08.29 | Dinolion92 | I have researched the factions, and I consider myself a fan of sorts. I was thinking about starting with the Space Mariens or the guard? |
| 00:08.45 | Monet | Guard are fairly straightforward |
| 00:08.58 | Hachiman | The thing about Skull Face is that I believe that he is a very capable soldier and combatant and the argument about his age doesn't work because fucking Liquid Ocelot |
| 00:08.59 | OluapPlayer | Play WoW so I have another person to play with |
| 00:09.01 | Technobliterator | I have never played WH40K the tabletop game in forever :o |
| 00:09.01 | Dinolion92 | Monet: I am more of a strategist. |
| 00:09.02 | Monet | Keep the enemy at range, volley fire, and back up your squishy infantry with tanks. |
| 00:09.12 | Technobliterator | I love the lore, but I don't have time for the obby |
| 00:09.16 | Technobliterator | the hobby |
| 00:09.24 | Dillonator407 | i am a....not very tactical tactician |
| 00:09.32 | Monet | Technobliterator: There are plenty like you, don't worry |
| 00:09.41 | Dinolion92 | I love the lore to. It is actually my second favorite sci fi franchise, other then Star Wars. |
| 00:09.45 | Technobliterator | I am super hyped for DoW 3, though :o |
| 00:09.49 | Monet | You can still be a fan of Warhammer by reading the books or divulging the lore. |
| 00:09.59 | Hachiman | Eh no Chaos so |
| 00:10.03 | Dinolion92 | Though the Emperor of the Empire, like Tyromairon, is FALSE! Only the God-Emperor protects! |
| 00:10.08 | Hachiman | Not worth getting you fucking Loyalist scum |
| 00:10.17 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: Oh! You should watch these https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyiDf91_bTEgnBN0jAvzNbqzrlMGID5WA |
| 00:10.19 | Technobliterator | DoW 3, Horizon Zero Dawn, Kingdom Hearts 1.5 + 2.5, Final Fantasy XII Zodiac Age, probably the games I'm most looking forward to |
| 00:10.21 | Xho | So judging by this family tree, Longinus is a cousin of Septimus' maternal grandfather |
| 00:10.23 | Xho | There we go |
| 00:10.30 | Hachiman | Xho: bruvva |
| 00:10.31 | Technobliterator | oh, I'll check them out |
| 00:10.41 | Monet | Dinolion92: Wait which empire? |
| 00:10.45 | Dinolion92 | Hachiman: Die Heretic! |
| 00:10.46 | OluapPlayer | Literally best 40k videos ever made |
| 00:11.06 | Dinolion92 | Palpatine |
| 00:11.12 | ImpyDroid | I am torn between Overwatch and Civilization VI |
| 00:11.13 | Monet | Oh that one |
| 00:11.15 | Hachiman | Yes, TTS is the best 40k series of fan-made videos I've seen |
| 00:11.19 | ImpyDroid | I want to buy one of these but which one |
| 00:11.22 | Hachiman | They explain the lore well and they're immensely entertaining |
| 00:11.24 | OluapPlayer | On the matter of 40k factions |
| 00:11.32 | ImpyDroid | They also serve as a great entrance to the universe |
| 00:11.35 | OluapPlayer | GREEN IZ BEST YA GITZ WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH |
| 00:11.38 | Technobliterator | hahahahaha |
| 00:11.41 | Technobliterator | this is amazing |
| 00:11.49 | ImpyDroid | I do not even have a favourite faction in Warham merely |
| 00:11.55 | ImpyDroid | *Warhammer |
| 00:12.04 | Technobliterator | My favorite faction in WH40K should be obvious :V |
| 00:12.09 | Hachiman | Definitely either Imperial Guard or Chaos for me |
| 00:12.09 | Technobliterator | My second favorite is either Tau or Eldar |
| 00:12.15 | Hachiman | Maybe a bit of Dark Eldar |
| 00:12.32 | ImpyDroid | I only have my least favourite faction |
| 00:12.39 | Dinolion92 | My favorite is the Imperial Navy, though you can't really play it. Wait, is Battlefleet Gothic still being made? |
| 00:12.41 | Dillonator407 | i know...none of these things |
| 00:12.42 | ImpyDroid | I think it is pretty obvious |
| 00:12.48 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Tau? |
| 00:12.54 | ImpyDroid | Space Marines |
| 00:12.59 | ImpyDroid | I love the Tau |
| 00:13.05 | Technobliterator | Imperial Guard are more boring than Space Marines, imo |
| 00:13.11 | Technobliterator | Space Marines are interesting |
| 00:13.15 | Hachiman | Dinolion92: Battlefleet Gothic had a videogame come out fairly recently |
| 00:13.22 | ImpyDroid | But they are not appealing |
| 00:13.22 | Hachiman | u fukn WOT |
| 00:13.27 | Dinolion92 | I might get that! |
| 00:13.47 | Hachiman | Space Marines, with a few exceptions, are fucking boring Superman-esque natural badasses |
| 00:13.53 | Hachiman | Space Marines, with a few exceptions, are fucking boring Superman-esque natural badasses |
| 00:14.08 | Dinolion92 | To all heretics and foul xenos supporters, we offer you cupcakes in peace! |
| 00:14.09 | ImpyDroid | Exactly they are generic and bland |
| 00:14.12 | Hachiman | Imperial Guard detail the human struggle of survival in 40K's merciless universe and are far more relatable than many of the Space Marines |
| 00:14.13 | Dinolion92 | *troll face |
| 00:14.16 | Technobliterator | I like the whole gothic appeal though |
| 00:14.26 | ImpyDroid | But IG also has this |
| 00:14.27 | Monet | "Imperial Guard are more boring than Space Marines" yeah I disagree |
| 00:14.40 | Monet | If you're only thinking of Cadians then maybe |
| 00:14.53 | Dillonator407 | i'll just observe ignorantly... |
| 00:14.55 | Dinolion92 | My favorite vehicle in Warhammer is the Leman Russ, or the Apocalypse Battleship |
| 00:14.59 | ImpyDroid | They are more diverse too, every IG regiment had a cool style |
| 00:15.10 | ImpyDroid | has even |
| 00:15.22 | Dinolion92 | My favorite regiment is the Death Korps of Krieg |
| 00:15.31 | Monet | The IG are insanely diverse. |
| 00:15.36 | Hachiman | For one, IG has a lot more wild variety than the Astartes - Catachans, Harakoni, Cadians, Atillans, Kriegers, etc |
| 00:15.39 | ImpyDroid | You have Arab Guardsmen, Scottish Guardsmen, two kinds of German Guardsmen, two kinds of Russian |
| 00:15.43 | ImpyDroid | Guardsmen |
| 00:16.18 | Dinolion92 | I lol when I read about the Orks though |
| 00:16.21 | ImpyDroid | Space Marines however all adhere to the same style |
| 00:16.27 | Hachiman | Except Salamanders |
| 00:16.28 | Monet | Mordian Iron Legion, the defenders of Armaggeddon. The line to break Gazkhull. |
| 00:16.30 | ImpyDroid | Their armour is, for the most part, exactly the same |
| 00:16.37 | Hachiman | Salamanders and Space Wolves |
| 00:16.37 | Dinolion92 | Except for color |
| 00:16.49 | Monet | Wait I'm mixing my groups |
| 00:16.59 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Yeah and Dark Angels and Black Templars |
| 00:17.03 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Iron Guard |
| 00:17.03 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 00:17.09 | ImpyDroid | They aren't charr hur |
| 00:17.25 | Dinolion92 | If I had to pick a favorite Space-Marines chapter, it would be the Ultramarines |
| 00:17.34 | ImpyDroid | And I think you are confusing then with the Steel Legion |
| 00:17.42 | Hachiman | Dinolion92: Babby's first Chapter hur |
| 00:18.00 | Monet | ImpyDroid: No wait I was thinking of the Armaggedod nSteel Legion |
| 00:18.08 | ImpyDroid | Armageddonians are fucking awesome despite being basically space Nazis |
| 00:18.13 | ImpyDroid | You are Lithuanian Jo |
| 00:18.20 | ImpyDroid | You should see appeal in space Nazis |
| 00:18.26 | Technobliterator | Pfffft |
| 00:18.26 | Dinolion92 | Hachiman: I still like the Guard more though. |
| 00:18.50 | Technobliterator | I do not see why |
| 00:19.02 | Monet | https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99110105004_MordianIronGuardSquadNEW02.jpg this is the Iron Guard |
| 00:19.24 | ImpyDroid | Bah just a racist joke from me |
| 00:19.43 | Monet | http://i.imgur.com/PJoyS6R.jpg "Hold the line like it were 1813" |
| 00:19.54 | ImpyDroid | Lithuanians are stereotyped as Neo-Nazis in Russia because of how much they hate Russians and the USSR |
| 00:19.56 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 00:20.08 | ImpyDroid | They basically saw the Nazis as the lesser evil |
| 00:20.31 | Technobliterator | Isn't Lithuania fearing a Putin invasion right now? |
| 00:20.37 | Monet | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/7/7a/DSCF1512.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121224102927 shame British India IN SPACE was discontinued. |
| 00:20.40 | Hachiman | Salamanders consist of an entire Chapter of pyromaniacs yet are extremely hospitable, reserved, and warm-hearted; Space Wolves are a Chapter of loud-mouthed super-Vikings who have an obsession with wolves, do not adhere to the Codex Astartes, and have fought other Chapters to defend human rights and lives |
| 00:20.49 | ImpyDroid | Along with the rest of the Baltic countries |
| 00:20.49 | Hachiman | Space Wolves are a favourite of mine hur |
| 00:21.01 | ImpyDroid | They all have large Russian minorities which are denied citizen rights |
| 00:21.06 | Technobliterator | Which reminds me, how much stock do you put into the idea of Putin invading everywhere? I know that he wants Ukraine, but I am fatigued by the Putin fearmongering |
| 00:21.10 | ImpyDroid | In the other words |
| 00:21.13 | ImpyDroid | OPPRESSED |
| 00:21.15 | ImpyDroid | RUSSIAN |
| 00:21.17 | ImpyDroid | MINORITIES |
| 00:21.25 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: Unlikely |
| 00:21.51 | ImpyDroid | Look at how much chaos Crimea caused, he won't dare attack now |
| 00:22.07 | Technobliterator | I mean, I know people are worried about a NATO collapse, hence the talk of an EU Army, but do people really think Putin's goal is world domination? |
| 00:22.10 | Dinolion92 | If he did, things would probably spiral out of control. |
| 00:22.18 | Monet | Meanwhile the Valhallans really love tea. |
| 00:22.36 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/4c/OriElfFamilyTree1.png/revision/latest?cb=20170120002214 So I made a start |
| 00:22.49 | Xho | It's probably about an eighth of the way upwards |
| 00:22.51 | ImpyDroid | The annexation of Crimea was amidst total chaos in Ukraine and the rise of an anti-Russian new Ukrainian government |
| 00:22.58 | Technobliterator | I really get tired of hearing about Putin fearmongering at my debate society, basically |
| 00:23.03 | Monet | Xho: Yay some inbreeding. |
| 00:23.12 | *** part/#sporewiki The_Randomness (~chatzilla@2601:441:1:5b80:8ddf:e40f:b3ce:36d3) |
| 00:23.13 | Xho | Welcome to the psycho dynasty |
| 00:23.18 | Dinolion92 | I see the Ukrainian conflict as a reverse Cuban Missile Crisis. |
| 00:23.21 | ImpyDroid | And thing is Crimea already had Russian presence |
| 00:23.53 | Technobliterator | So, most people in Russia don't think conflict will escalate? |
| 00:24.00 | ImpyDroid | It was agreed as part of Russian-Ukrainian relationships that Russian military bases should remain there to house the Black Sea fleet |
| 00:24.02 | Dinolion92 | NATO supporting troops on Russian borders. Why can't we all just get along(I'm talking to you Empire of Cyrannus!) |
| 00:24.13 | Monet | I think it's more there are a number of baby boomers nostalgic for the Cold War. |
| 00:24.21 | ImpyDroid | The new Ukrainian government would certainly break that pact |
| 00:24.45 | ImpyDroid | And Putin grabbed the land when he could |
| 00:25.06 | Dinolion92 | Monet: The cold war is a thing of the past. Russia doesn't have the capability or the economy to challenge the US alone, much less NATO and all the other US Allies. Though China is another matter. |
| 00:25.10 | ImpyDroid | Donbass was... not fully an invasion |
| 00:25.25 | ImpyDroid | I know a girl who lived there |
| 00:25.48 | ImpyDroid | She told me that it began as a series of separatist protests against the post-Maidan government |
| 00:25.53 | Monet | Dinolion92: Thing is a lot of people who grew up in that time had a feeling of "well...what now?" when the USSR was dissolved. |
| 00:26.03 | Technobliterator | Yes, I am tired of the Cold War nostalgia |
| 00:26.12 | Monet | For some, the dissolution of the USSR saw the entire world get flipped upside down. |
| 00:26.14 | Dinolion92 | Monet: That doesn't change the fact that the world has changed |
| 00:26.14 | ImpyDroid | Kremlin looked at it and just went "hell why not help these fellas" |
| 00:26.25 | ImpyDroid | And we organised them into a competent fighting force |
| 00:26.31 | Technobliterator | I see |
| 00:26.36 | ImpyDroid | Our intention was to take over fucking all East Ukraine |
| 00:26.45 | ImpyDroid | But it did not work out unfortunately |
| 00:26.45 | Monet | Dinolion92: Never underestimate the power of nostalgia. |
| 00:26.46 | Technobliterator | Also, Imp, do you believe Putin was behind the DNC hacks and wants to hack every democracy? :P |
| 00:26.50 | Dillonator407 | gtg |
| 00:26.51 | ImpyDroid | Well not take over |
| 00:26.52 | Technobliterator | I personally don't, but that's just me |
| 00:27.09 | Dinolion92 | Monet: I agree on that. |
| 00:27.16 | Technobliterator | I saw this thing saying "Angela Merkel is the new target of Fake News after Hillary Clinton" |
| 00:27.18 | Technobliterator | And I rolled eyes |
| 00:27.19 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: I mean it is plausible but not likely |
| 00:27.25 | Charles_Bot | Did I hear something about, GEOPOLITICS? |
| 00:27.29 | ImpyDroid | Our hackers can do that |
| 00:27.42 | ImpyDroid | NOOOO WE SUMMONED THE FRENCH MAN |
| 00:27.47 | Technobliterator | :V |
| 00:27.54 | ImpyDroid | I BET HE IS GOING TO DEBUNK EVERYTHING I SAID RIGHT NOW |
| 00:28.01 | Monet | I'm of the opinion that at the very least, a few Russian hackers took a "challenge accepted" to Trump's call for it to happen. |
| 00:28.07 | ImpyDroid | But answering the main question |
| 00:28.14 | ImpyDroid | As much as we would like to invade Eurooe |
| 00:28.17 | ImpyDroid | *Europe |
| 00:28.19 | ImpyDroid | We won't |
| 00:28.36 | ImpyDroid | Here's a thing |
| 00:28.39 | Technobliterator | I believe that it doesn't matter whether or not it happened, since a) polls suggested it had very little effect on the outcome, and b) the public had a right to know anyway |
| 00:28.48 | ImpyDroid | The common people hate the West sure |
| 00:28.57 | Dinolion92 | ImpyDroid: As much as YOU would LIKE to?! *sigh* here we go again. |
| 00:29.01 | Technobliterator | What makes me roll eyes is the theory that there are internet trolls and fake news outlets working for Russia |
| 00:29.15 | Dinolion92 | No offense meant by the way ImpyDroid. |
| 00:29.27 | ImpyDroid | But our elites are connected to it, their children study in Europe |
| 00:29.31 | Monet | I think two polls i na row tha tgot shot i nthe face is enough to take any poll with a pinch of salt |
| 00:29.37 | ImpyDroid | They have bank accounts there, stuff like this |
| 00:29.45 | Charles_Bot | Well most of what Impy said is pretty accurate, actually |
| 00:29.46 | Monet | in a row that got shot in the face* |
| 00:29.49 | ImpyDroid | They won't act against their interests |
| 00:30.03 | Technobliterator | "The primary wasn't rigged against Bernie by the DNC, stop being a conspiracy theorist!" "Oh my god, the general election was rigged against Hillary by Putin, it wasn't fair!" |
| 00:30.07 | Technobliterator | It makes me groan |
| 00:30.25 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: (((Democrats))) |
| 00:30.37 | ImpyDroid | Dinolion92: Let's say this |
| 00:30.47 | Monet | Regardless of who did it, the DNC emails made up the bulk of the slander for the Democrats. |
| 00:31.00 | ImpyDroid | Sometimes I imagine the scenario where Trump crosses Putin and starts World War 3 |
| 00:31.13 | ImpyDroid | Trump's forces break through Europe and the Pacific to Russia |
| 00:31.19 | ImpyDroid | But freeze |
| 00:31.38 | Charles_Bot | But when it comes to the hacking, I'm sorry, internet trolls, fake news sites (RT), disinformation, etc, all of that has been a part of Russia's MO for years now; it's been very well documented and known that Russia is really good at subversive PR tactics, or what they refer to as "political technology" |
| 00:31.39 | Technobliterator | While I understand the perspective of the DNC, I have little sympathy for them |
| 00:32.08 | ImpyDroid | Then we counterattack and within a few years we mount the Trikolor and the two-headed eagle stop the White House |
| 00:32.14 | ImpyDroid | *atop |
| 00:32.27 | ImpyDroid | Yeah what Charles said |
| 00:32.35 | Charles_Bot | Heck, hacking of the US in general has been going on for years |
| 00:32.35 | Technobliterator | Why is fake news only a problem now? |
| 00:32.40 | ImpyDroid | It is certainly in-character for Russia |
| 00:32.48 | Dinolion92 | ImpyDroid: Never underestimate the power of the fat people of America! We shall triumph! We will sit on you! |
| 00:32.52 | Technobliterator | Frankly, I have little sympathy for the US government |
| 00:32.59 | Technobliterator | It hacks and rigs democracies all over the world all the time |
| 00:33.01 | Dinolion92 | ImpyDroid: And crush the Russian Bear! |
| 00:33.05 | Technobliterator | So when it gets hacked, it's just karma |
| 00:33.06 | Monet | Because Fake news contributed to a lunatic getting elected as POTUS. |
| 00:33.09 | Charles_Bot | Technobliterator: Uh |
| 00:33.13 | Charles_Bot | Not really there |
| 00:33.16 | Charles_Bot | It used to |
| 00:33.33 | Monet | Just like people used to ride segregated buses |
| 00:33.35 | Technobliterator | There is a recording of Hillary Clinton advocating for rigging an election in the Middle East |
| 00:33.40 | Charles_Bot | But post-WWII, it progressively got worse and worse |
| 00:33.45 | Charles_Bot | At it |
| 00:34.03 | Technobliterator | And the US has toppled democratically elected governments before, such as in Iran, to replace them with dictators |
| 00:34.20 | Technobliterator | So I have little sympathy for them when they get hacked in a way that has much less of an impact |
| 00:34.23 | Monet | Usually because the other guy was pro-socialism or pro-Russia. |
| 00:35.20 | ImpyDroid | Dinolion92: Please, our people drink bath lotions as alcohol |
| 00:35.27 | ImpyDroid | ^ No seriously that is a thing ATM |
| 00:35.51 | Technobliterator | And the US government has done its own fake news before, such as how marijuana became illegal |
| 00:35.53 | Charles_Bot | As I was saying, the only thing that's different now from before is that (1) the hacked information was used as a political weapon as opposed to just intelligence, and (2) it was pulled on the Us |
| 00:36.21 | Technobliterator | and there are declassified CIA documents that showed that they once inserted propaganda into media outlets such as the NYT in the 50s |
| 00:36.38 | ImpyDroid | Dinolion92: There is a saying in Russja |
| 00:36.40 | Monet | International relations is a very different world to domestic politics or even your relationshi pwith your next-door neighbour |
| 00:36.41 | ImpyDroid | *Russia |
| 00:37.09 | ImpyDroid | "We reached Paris, we reached Berlin. We will reach Washington too." |
| 00:37.12 | Technobliterator | Basically, the US government is being a bully |
| 00:37.21 | ImpyDroid | Got bullied back kek |
| 00:37.26 | Technobliterator | "we can do it to all of you guys, but don't you dare do it to us or we'll point our nukes at you!" |
| 00:37.36 | Technobliterator | It is frankly disgusting |
| 00:37.50 | Technobliterator | So I have no sympathy at all |
| 00:37.53 | Charles_Bot | Technobliterator The problem with equating what Russia does with what the US has done is to entirely undersell the huge disadvantage the US is operating under when it comes to the tactics you are discribing |
| 00:37.54 | ImpyDroid | Russia is the equivalent of a weak but sneaky kid in school who can't take people on with brute force but is tricky and clever |
| 00:37.56 | Monet | Well when was the last time the US rigged an election. |
| 00:38.07 | ImpyDroid | The US are a popular jock |
| 00:38.26 | Technobliterator | I am sorry for the Americans whose lives may be worse under Trump, particularly with the Obamacare repeal among other things, but I am not sorry for what happened to the US government even if it is true |
| 00:38.27 | Monet | And is it fair to demonise the US now for what it did during the Cold War? It was a very different climate back then |
| 00:38.28 | Dinolion92 | ImpyDroid: Your mighty T-90 tank shells will bounce off our stomach fat. We will then raise the flag on Moscow, and go back to McDonalds |
| 00:38.40 | Technobliterator | In what sense, Charles? |
| 00:38.57 | ImpyDroid | Dinolion92: But your fat will not protect you from freezing |
| 00:39.47 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: I say serves them righr |
| 00:39.49 | ImpyDroid | *right |
| 00:40.06 | Dinolion92 | ImpyDroid: That is why I said we'd go back to McDonalds. Maybe level a few towns in the summer, disassemble a few nukes in the fall, and then go back home to the McDonalds line. And then, when Russia recovers, we'll do it again! |
| 00:40.07 | ImpyDroid | Let them understand how it feels to live under a crazy old person |
| 00:40.15 | Technobliterator | The government, or the people? :P |
| 00:40.23 | Technobliterator | I mean, I still feel bad for the people |
| 00:40.38 | ImpyDroid | I mean the people still elected that guy |
| 00:40.52 | Technobliterator | I know that it was two-time Obama voters in the rust belt that swung the election for Trump, since he was anti-trade |
| 00:40.53 | Dinolion92 | Most Americans are decent people, just like most Russians are decent people. However, decent people never get into power. That is why the world sucks. |
| 00:40.59 | Technobliterator | I imagine things won't improve for them |
| 00:41.16 | Technobliterator | well, Dino, there was one decent person who ran for President |
| 00:41.22 | Technobliterator | and he did not make it through the primary |
| 00:41.23 | Technobliterator | alas |
| 00:41.25 | Dinolion92 | Bernie? |
| 00:41.31 | Technobliterator | Bernie Would've Won |
| 00:41.40 | Dinolion92 | In a landslide! |
| 00:41.45 | Technobliterator | ^.^ |
| 00:41.58 | Charles_Bot | I disagree there |
| 00:42.02 | Technobliterator | I believe that, while it wasn't a fair primary |
| 00:42.07 | Technobliterator | he didn't lose because of that |
| 00:42.14 | Technobliterator | he lost because he was unable to connect with minorities in the South |
| 00:42.18 | Monet | Trump could have slaughtered Bernie. |
| 00:42.22 | Technobliterator | Nope |
| 00:42.29 | Dinolion92 | We should have a mock presidential debate. |
| 00:42.34 | Monet | WHen you have a raging asshole like Trump you need a candidate who can dig their heels in. |
| 00:42.36 | Technobliterator | Bernie would've split the anti-establishment vote |
| 00:42.50 | Technobliterator | and would've won in the states that cost Clinton the election |
| 00:43.08 | Technobliterator | Also, both candidates had extremely high unfavorable ratings |
| 00:43.10 | Charles_Bot | Techno, you underestimate how much people actually liked Clinton and didn't really jibe with Bernie here |
| 00:43.20 | Technobliterator | Bernie has positive favorabilities |
| 00:43.28 | Technobliterator | Yeah, and you think they would've voted Trump? |
| 00:43.42 | ImpyDroid | Thing is with Bernie |
| 00:43.45 | ImpyDroid | A FUCKING SOCIALIST |
| 00:43.49 | ImpyDroid | IN FUCKING AMERICA |
| 00:43.56 | Technobliterator | Bernie voters who disliked Clinton are very different from Clinton voters who disliked Bernie |
| 00:43.59 | ImpyDroid | You expect Americans to like him? |
| 00:44.00 | Charles_Bot | There were a lot of democrats who were legitimately inspired by Clinton, like myself, my family, New Yorkers writ large, a lot of Californians I know |
| 00:44.01 | Dinolion92 | Bernie connected with the younger generation. The people who will, whether the oldies like it or not, will lead America |
| 00:44.10 | Technobliterator | ImpyDroid, he has the highest favorability rating of any Senator |
| 00:44.13 | Technobliterator | So, apparently :o |
| 00:44.18 | ImpyDroid | Dinolion92: >most Russians |
| 00:44.22 | ImpyDroid | >decent people |
| 00:44.27 | ImpyDroid | Lol no we are awful hur |
| 00:44.33 | Charles_Bot | I didn't like Bernie >.< I really feel like you're projecting |
| 00:44.40 | Technobliterator | Nope |
| 00:44.42 | Charles_Bot | Yep |
| 00:44.44 | Technobliterator | That's what the polling suggests |
| 00:44.52 | Dinolion92 | I gotta go, I'll be back in a little bit |
| 00:44.59 | Monet | Agai nwith the polls |
| 00:45.04 | ImpyDroid | He could win over the devout Dems over Reps |
| 00:45.14 | ImpyDroid | But the grey zone inbetween |
| 00:45.17 | ImpyDroid | Certainly not |
| 00:45.23 | Technobliterator | http://europe.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-most-popular-senator-453479?rm=eu |
| 00:45.29 | Technobliterator | 80% approval rating |
| 00:45.51 | Technobliterator | https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/bernie-sanders-favorable-rating |
| 00:45.59 | ImpyDroid | Amongst senators |
| 00:46.01 | Technobliterator | 54% nationwide favorability rating |
| 00:46.02 | ImpyDroid | SENATORS |
| 00:46.07 | ImpyDroid | That does not include Shillary |
| 00:46.20 | Charles_Bot | Keeping in mind that polling missed the outcome of the election by a margin >.< |
| 00:46.44 | Technobliterator | But anyway, this is not my point |
| 00:46.57 | Technobliterator | Bernie voters who disliked Clinton are very different from Clinton voters who disliked Bernie |
| 00:46.58 | Charles_Bot | I'm still typing out my response to your intelligence thing |
| 00:47.18 | Charles_Bot | In that they don't matter, right? |
| 00:47.18 | Technobliterator | Because the former could switch to Trump or third party much more likely than the latter |
| 00:47.34 | Monet | Thing is with his favourability among senators - how many of those senators approved of him because they thought he was controllable? |
| 00:47.40 | Charles_Bot | You're talking about most of the Democratic Party techno xD |
| 00:48.12 | Technobliterator | Alright, so you are saying if you had to choose between both, you would have voted Trump? |
| 00:48.31 | Technobliterator | And you are saying that most Democrats would have also voted Trump? |
| 00:49.57 | Xho | Seriously politics again |
| 00:49.58 | Xho | gah |
| 00:50.16 | Technobliterator | also, another favorability comparison: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/sanders_favorableunfavorable-5263.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/clinton_favorableunfavorable-1131.html - I'm really not projecting at all, this is just what the numbers suggest |
| 00:50.16 | Charles_Bot | I'm saying that it's more complicated. You're talking about a candidate who was articulating a message and a vision that resonated (intensely, and extremely effectively, don't get me wrong) with a narrow slice of the democratic coalition |
| 00:50.51 | Monet | bernie was a pretty strong demagogue. |
| 00:50.59 | Technobliterator | Yeah, and that narrow slice of the coalition is what swung the election for Trump |
| 00:51.07 | ImpyDroid | Oh wait Technobliterator |
| 00:51.11 | ImpyDroid | You just reminded me |
| 00:51.18 | Technobliterator | I highly doubt the rest of the coalition would not have gone to Trump just because of Bernie |
| 00:51.22 | Monet | That narrow slice of the coalition was young voters. |
| 00:51.25 | Technobliterator | Nope |
| 00:51.34 | Technobliterator | It was working class voters |
| 00:51.40 | Charles_Bot | The reaction of the rest was like, "wtf, who is this guy who is burning bridges, screwing over fellow democrats, seriously hurting our nominee, and making wildly unrealistic promises?" |
| 00:51.51 | Technobliterator | Working class voters in the three rust belt states |
| 00:51.54 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: A shift from serious politics https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeIAmA/comments/5nszk3/explain_the_warhammer_40k_world_like_you_are/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=explainlikeIAmA |
| 00:51.59 | Monet | ^ This is my problem with anti-establishmantism |
| 00:52.15 | Monet | "I don't like the old system, let's burn it down!" |
| 00:52.31 | Technobliterator | Charles_Bot, I am very aware of the dislike of Bernie Sanders among hardcore Democrats |
| 00:52.37 | Technobliterator | But do you think that would've made them swing to Trump? |
| 00:52.44 | Charles_Bot | Not to Trump, but again, it would be more -complicated- and unpredictable |
| 00:53.08 | Technobliterator | So why do you think he would've lost? |
| 00:53.36 | Monet | Another issue is I recall Hillary was advised to appeal to the Rust Belt...and she didn't. |
| 00:53.39 | Charles_Bot | Because here you have two burn-it-down populists who totally screwed over their establishments, disregarded party infrastructure, and have appeal with the working class vote |
| 00:53.44 | Technobliterator | Yeah, she was advised by Bill Clinton |
| 00:53.50 | Charles_Bot | Your argument is that he would have won no sweat |
| 00:53.55 | Technobliterator | I don't think she couldn't have won the Rust Belt, but she did |
| 00:54.26 | Technobliterator | My argument is that he would have won with no sweat because he didn't have the same problems that Hillary did with voters |
| 00:55.24 | Monet | America is diverse, to put it mildly. |
| 00:55.52 | Monet | As Charles pointed out, sure Bernie could have energised the working class at the cost of the metropoliatans in California and New Yrok. |
| 00:56.13 | Charles_Bot | Well, NY and CA would have gone blue either way |
| 00:56.16 | Technobliterator | He was up 15 points on Trump in some polls in a hypothetical general election matchup. Would it have been different if he faced the Republican attack machine? Maybe. But I highly doubt that any attack that landed on him would've landed harder than "grab em by the pussy", and I highly doubt that anti-establishment voters would've had to stomach that when they have another option |
| 00:56.33 | Monet | "hypothetical" is the word here |
| 00:56.38 | Technobliterator | Yeah, I really don't buy that hardcore blue states like CA and NY would've gone to Trump |
| 00:56.52 | Charles_Bot | Keeping in mind that Trump was impervious to scandal, we don't know if Bernie was |
| 00:57.22 | Technobliterator | A lot of Trump's voters voted for him unenthusiastically |
| 00:57.35 | Technobliterator | Exit polls suggest 17% of his voters thought he was unqualified, and voted for him regardless |
| 00:57.52 | Technobliterator | So no matter what scandal you threw at him, his voters wouldn't care |
| 00:58.27 | Monet | Against a less unhinged candidate, maybe Hilary would ahve won. |
| 00:58.42 | Charles_Bot | Yeah, but Bernie's voters tended to be highly educated, white, fact-based, contrarian evidence against him might have hit home |
| 00:58.47 | Technobliterator | Monet, my argument is not that Hillary Clinton could not possibly have won |
| 00:58.57 | Technobliterator | I think she could've won if many things had happened differently |
| 00:59.14 | Technobliterator | But I do not think that Bernie Sanders would've had the same problems that Hillary Clinton had |
| 00:59.36 | Charles_Bot | He would have had other problems is the thing |
| 00:59.42 | Monet | Trump harnessed the simmering, unbridled hate of the ignored conservatives in the more outward areas. |
| 00:59.56 | Technobliterator | Yes, but would they have caused him to lose the same states she lost, or caused him to lose other traditionally blue states? |
| 01:00.04 | DrodoEmpire | So |
| 01:00.25 | DrodoEmpire | As Aztec i went from a primtive nation defeated by *portugal* in 1550 to being a Great Power in 1575 |
| 01:00.27 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 01:00.35 | Charles_Bot | Lol |
| 01:00.37 | Technobliterator | I just do not buy the argument that traditional/hardcore Democratic voters who were enthusiastic for Clinton would've switched to Trump |
| 01:00.45 | Charles_Bot | That's good |
| 01:00.50 | Charles_Bot | Because I never argued that |
| 01:00.57 | Technobliterator | So, why do you argue he would've lost? |
| 01:01.44 | Charles_Bot | I argue it would have been a messy and unpredictable race, one where many in the traditional democratic causes might not have been very enthusiastic about voting for him |
| 01:02.07 | Technobliterator | I do not argue they would've immediately become enthusiastic about voting for him |
| 01:02.15 | Technobliterator | I just think they would not have gone to Trump |
| 01:02.36 | Charles_Bot | Right, but less enthusiasm=less likely to vote |
| 01:03.00 | Charles_Bot | The reason Clinton lost wasn't because people switched over to Trump, elections don't work like that |
| 01:03.19 | Technobliterator | That was precisely the reason |
| 01:03.27 | Technobliterator | Two-time Obama voters switched to Trump in the rust belt states |
| 01:03.32 | Charles_Bot | It's because great portions of the Democratic coalition weren't inspired by her, and didnt turn out |
| 01:04.05 | Technobliterator | I do not believe, for instance, that Bernie Sanders would've won Florida, I think he would've still lost it |
| 01:04.06 | Charles_Bot | You have to count the votes that weren't cast, rather than consider just the votes that were cast |
| 01:04.31 | Monet | Part of the reason the youngest demographic is ignored in elections is partly because they are least likely to vote. If they can be coerced, great, but it's just easier to sway the demographic you know will come out on election day. |
| 01:04.32 | Technobliterator | However, the three states that swung the election, I believe he would've won, and I do not believe enough people would've stayed home to cause him to lose anywhere else |
| 01:04.56 | Technobliterator | Monet, young voters were not the only demographic for Sanders |
| 01:04.57 | Charles_Bot | And what states are those? |
| 01:05.20 | Technobliterator | Independents and the white working class democrats were also his - and they were the ones that switched the election to Trump |
| 01:05.35 | DrodoEmpire | 1400 losses to 42 000 losses |
| 01:05.36 | Monet | Technobliterator: No but they're quite an unpredictable demographic. |
| 01:05.37 | DrodoEmpire | Tech is awesome |
| 01:05.49 | DrodoEmpire | (Military Tech that is <.<) |
| 01:06.12 | Technobliterator | They were what allowed Trump to win in the three rust belt states |
| 01:06.31 | Technobliterator | And were very close to swinging Virginia as well, if I recall |
| 01:06.49 | Charles_Bot | Technobliterator: keeping in mind that Trump's coalition was composed of highly enthusiastic white working class votes which were uniquely activated by his candidacy, and which otherwise don't partake in politics |
| 01:06.54 | Technobliterator | I am not sure if Bernie would've won Ohio, but I think the swing state he would've lost is Florida (who Clinton also lost) |
| 01:07.07 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: White working class? Why just white? |
| 01:07.20 | Technobliterator | Yes, and 17% of Trump voters thought he was unqualified and voted for him anyway |
| 01:07.40 | Technobliterator | ImpyDroid, I don't know :o the Sanders primary campaign wasn't good at reaching out to minorities |
| 01:07.41 | Charles_Bot | Yeah, thats not a lot |
| 01:07.42 | Monet | The question is why -did- they vote for him |
| 01:07.50 | Technobliterator | It's not even a question, Monet |
| 01:07.58 | Technobliterator | They voted for him because of trade deals |
| 01:08.10 | Charles_Bot | I know why he wasn't good at reaching out to the nonwhite vote >.< |
| 01:08.16 | Monet | He was also a symbol. A middle finger to Washington |
| 01:08.21 | Technobliterator | They hated Hillary Clinton and establishment politics |
| 01:08.39 | Technobliterator | and they hated the fact that NAFTA cost them their jobs |
| 01:08.45 | Technobliterator | and Hillary would obviously push the TPP |
| 01:08.49 | Technobliterator | which would cost them even more jobs |
| 01:08.57 | Charles_Bot | Welp |
| 01:09.02 | Charles_Bot | I don't know Tech |
| 01:09.08 | Monet | To some of Trump's voters, Hillary was just another ivory tower Washington politician. |
| 01:09.11 | Charles_Bot | You're not thinking about this fluidly enough |
| 01:09.33 | Technobliterator | Okay, please tell me what I'm getting wrong |
| 01:09.55 | Technobliterator | Without saying "oh, you're projecting, I hate Bernie, therefore everyone must!!!!" |
| 01:10.15 | Charles_Bot | There's a lot of factors at play, and I can't sit down and type out three paragraphs to explain the nuances of what you just said when you move on to make another such statement which also requires more explanation |
| 01:10.16 | Monet | I saw a strong vibe of Trump powering his voterbase with emotion, not necessarily sound policies. |
| 01:10.19 | Charles_Bot | That's not what I said |
| 01:11.02 | Charles_Bot | What I said was that you assume that Bernie is a universally like liked figure here. I was trying to embody evidence that that's not the case |
| 01:11.20 | Technobliterator | I did not say that |
| 01:11.34 | Technobliterator | I showed you the polls |
| 01:11.53 | Technobliterator | Bernie Sanders has much higher favorability ratings that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have, who had historically low ratings |
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| 01:12.17 | Monet | The polls also indicated Hillary would win by a landslide and that most Brits favoured stating in the EU. |
| 01:12.34 | Charles_Bot | And I pointed out that polls as an instrument to take the temperature of the electorate have consistently failed in 2016 to predict anything with anything even remotely resembling accuracy |
| 01:12.53 | Technobliterator | Oh, wait, so now you guys just ignore polls completely? |
| 01:13.12 | Monet | They're like exam results really. |
| 01:13.14 | Charles_Bot | We have to take them with a truckload of salt |
| 01:13.27 | Monet | They're only an indicator but no guaranteed measure. |
| 01:13.29 | Technobliterator | like, completely ignore them? Because you were both telling me to stfu and look at the polls when I predicted a Trump and Brexit victory ._. |
| 01:13.38 | Charles_Bot | Yeah, and we were wrong |
| 01:13.52 | Monet | We learned our errors. |
| 01:14.16 | Technobliterator | So, I do not disagree with you that you can't place too much stock in the favorability ratings |
| 01:14.39 | Technobliterator | Not just because of their errors in 2016, but because they predated Republican attack machines |
| 01:15.06 | Monet | But we're getting that tone when you talk about Bernie's favourability ratings. |
| 01:15.37 | Monet | Sometimes the outcome is very different to the measured prediction. |
| 01:16.17 | Technobliterator | However, you have a guy with positive favorability ratings (and an 80% approval rating in his home state), versus a guy with consistently low favorability ratings and "grab em by the pussy" |
| 01:17.04 | Monet | He has an 80% favourability rating in Vermont |
| 01:17.06 | Technobliterator | Whereas instead we had two candidates with neck-and-neck favorability ratings, do you guys not think that would have had any impact at all? ._. |
| 01:17.17 | Charles_Bot | 80% approval rating in Vermont with one of the most ethnically, linguistically, ideologically, and racially monotonous populations in the country |
| 01:17.49 | Charles_Bot | My argument, in the end, is that Trump vs. Bernie would have been a very, very difficult, contentious, and unpredictable affair which would have made Trump vs. Hillary seem clear-cut and simple by comparison |
| 01:17.55 | Monet | You may as well measure the opinion of the Tories by what the Orkney Isles say |
| 01:18.09 | Technobliterator | I do not disagree with you that it would have been difficult |
| 01:18.24 | Technobliterator | I disagree with you that his loss is a sure thing, and would argue that with what we have to go on today, the opposite is true |
| 01:18.36 | Charles_Bot | I never said it would be a sure thing |
| 01:18.49 | Technobliterator | alright, I may have misinterpreted what you said |
| 01:18.50 | Charles_Bot | I said I have no idea who would have won |
| 01:19.20 | Monet | Is it possible that the year-long clusterfuck of a season that we've had could have been even worse? |
| 01:19.22 | Technobliterator | I just remember you confidently disagreeing with me when I jokingly referenced the "Bernie Would've Won" meme |
| 01:19.45 | Technobliterator | and telling me how despised he is |
| 01:19.53 | Technobliterator | so I made assumptions |
| 01:19.54 | Technobliterator | sorry about that |
| 01:20.11 | Charles_Bot | Np, I wasn't very clear there, I apologize for that too |
| 01:20.27 | Monet | Trump won by channeling the emotions of his supporters. |
| 01:20.44 | Monet | Politics has become a bit of a circus as of late. |
| 01:20.55 | Technobliterator | I suppose I understand the perspective of people who feel that Bernie Sanders was hurting the Democratic party and who just thought his ideas were too far out there |
| 01:21.11 | Charles_Bot | You're talking about waves of populism crashing into each other, roiling and heaving, two populisms attempting to win over a shifting and hurting electorate |
| 01:21.22 | Monet | He sort of did after the birth of Bernie or Bust. |
| 01:21.35 | Technobliterator | Bernie didn't start Bernie or Bust, his supporters did |
| 01:21.47 | Technobliterator | I think a lot of his supporters were extremely divisive |
| 01:21.55 | Monet | I didn't mean to say he did start it |
| 01:22.05 | Charles_Bot | I should also clarify that I don't hate Bernie >.< |
| 01:22.28 | Charles_Bot | Please see the nuance that just because I'm not moved by something doesn't mean I hate it |
| 01:22.29 | Monet | I agree what happened was he built a small passionate base...that after learning he lost decided "it's either a Bernie vote or no vote" |
| 01:22.34 | Technobliterator | yeah, I might have misinterpreted you there |
| 01:22.57 | Charles_Bot | I happen to respect him and understand him, both intellectually and emotionally |
| 01:23.36 | Monet | I think that's what's missing from politics today. |
| 01:23.52 | Charles_Bot | But in general, rather than one trump versus a restrained establishment candidate attempting to minimize the damage the election was wreaking on the American system, you'd have two Trumps |
| 01:24.18 | Charles_Bot | Battling each other |
| 01:24.30 | Monet | It's very red-vs blue these days. If you're not al "dirty liberal" you're a "filthy republican". WHich is very concerning. |
| 01:24.35 | DrodoEmpire | I'd almost sooner that...? |
| 01:24.37 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno |
| 01:24.59 | DrodoEmpire | (Having two anti-establishment candidates, that is) |
| 01:25.00 | Technobliterator | Personally, I do not see Sanders as similar to Trump at all, and I don't understand why people compare them |
| 01:25.05 | DrodoEmpire | They' |
| 01:25.16 | DrodoEmpire | *They're both anti-establishment, or at least have been built up to be |
| 01:25.31 | DrodoEmpire | How anti-establishment Trump really is has yet to be seen |
| 01:25.33 | Monet | He's like Trump i nthat he's anti-establishment and knows how to channel the meotional energy of his followers. |
| 01:25.35 | Technobliterator | They're both anti-establishment that talk about corruption in Washington and aren't really loyal members of their party, they both drew huge crowds, and the comparison ends there |
| 01:25.45 | DrodoEmpire | Or rather, is in serious doubt |
| 01:25.58 | Monet | But that's what makes them unpredictable |
| 01:26.04 | Charles_Bot | And they're both populists, in different ways |
| 01:26.07 | Technobliterator | No, Bernie is not unpredictable at all |
| 01:26.13 | Technobliterator | He does exactly what he says he is going to do |
| 01:26.26 | Technobliterator | "I'm going to endorse the Democratic candidate", he did that |
| 01:26.35 | Technobliterator | "I'm going to take it to the convention", he did that |
| 01:26.42 | Charles_Bot | Please don't tangle Monet's argument with mine |
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| 01:26.51 | Technobliterator | I was responding to Monet's argument |
| 01:27.08 | Technobliterator | I mean, I'm not really arguing at this point :P |
| 01:27.11 | Monet | I may have mixed things up there. |
| 01:27.17 | Technobliterator | I'm just sort of expressing my thoughts |
| 01:27.38 | Technobliterator | which are that I don't really understand the perspective of those who conflate them |
| 01:28.06 | Monet | WHat often gets ignored in the presidential election is Congress itself. At least from what I see. |
| 01:28.16 | Technobliterator | Trump clearly targeted immigrants and Muslims as a problem and ran a hateful campaign, had no concrete policies and at his rallies, basically jsut entertained a crowd |
| 01:28.23 | Monet | The president may be different but a lot of congressmen got another term in office. |
| 01:28.32 | Charles_Bot | What matters about their candidacy is that they're both populists, unleashing forces on the system which are unpredictable, both calling its legitimacy into question, questioning the results of elections, questioning the motives of elected officials, blaming the problems of the country on the malevolent intent of a minority of "others" |
| 01:28.48 | Monet | ^ That's what I meant by unpredictable |
| 01:28.52 | Charles_Bot | That doesn't make Sanders wrong, or evil, or immoral |
| 01:28.59 | Charles_Bot | Or not worthy of respect |
| 01:29.12 | Charles_Bot | I happen to respect him and what he did during the election a lot |
| 01:29.19 | Charles_Bot | That just makes him a populist |
| 01:29.24 | Technobliterator | Sanders did not target any group of people (unless you want to say he targeted billionaires? Is targeting the powerless versus the powerful really comparable?) and ran a hopeful campaign, stuck to the same policies from the beginning, and his rallies were in his words, boring lists of his policies |
| 01:29.42 | Monet | (yes, that targeting is comparable) |
| 01:29.42 | Technobliterator | So, I do not understand how people conflate them |
| 01:29.45 | Technobliterator | Is it? |
| 01:29.51 | Technobliterator | Is it even close to comparable? |
| 01:29.52 | DrodoEmpire | Yes |
| 01:29.56 | Monet | It's trendy these days to alienate the mega-rich. |
| 01:30.07 | DrodoEmpire | Just because they have more perceived power does not give one the moral justification to alienate |
| 01:30.08 | Monet | They're people too. |
| 01:30.11 | DrodoEmpire | But that doesn't matter |
| 01:30.14 | Technobliterator | You mean, the people who caused the banking crash and got away scott free? |
| 01:30.19 | DrodoEmpire | Because Sanders didn't even do that |
| 01:30.38 | Technobliterator | The people who pay their workers poverty wages and dodge taxes because "q_q I can only afford 5 yachts instead of 4"? |
| 01:31.05 | Monet | You're blaming the whole for the actions of a portion for the |
| 01:31.22 | Monet | There are only about 2,000 billionaires in the entire world. |
| 01:31.29 | DrodoEmpire | Alright guys |
| 01:31.36 | Technobliterator | Like, it's not even comparable, you're comparing targeting the powerful versus targeting people fleeing a war zone (which, by the way, the Western government created) and trying to make a new life for themselves |
| 01:31.38 | DrodoEmpire | This has been going on for way too long |
| 01:31.45 | DrodoEmpire | People have gotten fed up with your shit |
| 01:31.46 | Technobliterator | Yeah, and they control half the wealth in the world |
| 01:31.48 | DrodoEmpire | Please move to offtopic' |
| 01:31.51 | Technobliterator | and have a ridiculous among of influence |
| 01:31.54 | Technobliterator | It's not even comparable |
| 01:31.55 | DrodoEmpire | Everyone |
| 01:31.58 | Charles_Bot | What you're arguing there is not that Sanders didn't essentialize and caricature the actions and motives of an obscure and distant minority |
| 01:32.06 | Charles_Bot | It's that he was justified in doing so |
| 01:32.10 | Charles_Bot | Which is another argument |
| 01:32.30 | DrodoEmpire | I'm not taking sides (I'm on your side Tech though, for the most part if I were to participate seriously) |
| 01:32.35 | DrodoEmpire | But this has suffocated the chat |
| 01:32.38 | DrodoEmpire | Relocate |
| 01:33.04 | Technobliterator | Being a minority of people is less relevant than having a minority of power |
| 01:33.12 | Technobliterator | DrodoEmpire, no other discussion is going on, though? ?_? |
| 01:33.22 | Technobliterator | Not that I object to -offtopic |
| 01:33.27 | DrodoEmpire | And how do you think that came about? >.< |
| 01:33.34 | DrodoEmpire | Everybody filed out once this started |
| 01:33.35 | Charles_Bot | I'm just going to try and conclude quickly |
| 01:33.41 | Technobliterator | By there being no one else but us here |
| 01:33.45 | Technobliterator | who is active |
| 01:33.48 | Technobliterator | :V |
| 01:33.55 | DrodoEmpire | Nobody, partly because this... thing, if going on |
| 01:33.59 | DrodoEmpire | *is |
| 01:34.14 | DrodoEmpire | And its starting to get on my nerves |
| 01:34.41 | Technobliterator | I mean |
| 01:34.43 | Technobliterator | it's done now |
| 01:34.45 | Technobliterator | so, you win :o |
| 01:34.47 | Charles_Bot | All I'm saying is that, structurally speaking, Sanders and Trump both register as populists and use the same tactics, despite how vast the contrast is between them. |
| 01:34.49 | DrodoEmpire | Ought to be |
| 01:34.54 | Charles_Bot | </done> |
| 01:35.08 | DrodoEmpire | Good. |
| 01:35.58 | DrodoEmpire | Did nobody else suggest you move before this point? |
| 01:36.34 | Charles_Bot | No |
| 01:37.04 | Technobliterator | Nope |
| 01:37.11 | Technobliterator | No one else was in the channel |
| 01:37.24 | DrodoEmpire | I'm surprised-- but at the same time maybe you guys should've taken the initiative at some point and moved anyway. Political discussions have a nasty tendency to monopolise channels |
| 01:38.20 | Technobliterator | There was no reason to |
| 01:38.25 | DrodoEmpire | I'm not saying the wiki should be an apolitical safe-space, but... |
| 01:38.37 | Technobliterator | No other discussion was going on, not many people were here |
| 01:38.47 | Technobliterator | I mean, at first I was just jokingly referencing a meme |
| 01:38.51 | Technobliterator | but it's a political meme |
| 01:38.55 | Technobliterator | so I get why it sparked the conversation |
| 01:39.02 | DrodoEmpire | Except there was imo, because your discussion monopolised the channel and scared people away |
| 01:39.10 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe this is me thinking in hindsight, but I dunno |
| 01:39.27 | DrodoEmpire | Just upsetted me a little :p |
| 01:39.36 | Technobliterator | If someone raised issue, I would have no problem moving the discussion earlier, y'know |
| 01:39.47 | Technobliterator | Charles_Bot, I apologise again for mischaracterising and misinterpreting you |
| 01:40.15 | Technobliterator | I do respect your knowledge and insight in this particular field; I just reacted negatively to seemingly being dismissed |
| 01:40.16 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno Tech, I did ask for you to |
| 01:40.44 | Charles_Bot | Np, it's an occupational hazard in discussing politics ;) I'm sorry for appearing dismissive |
| 01:40.56 | Charles_Bot | And I'm happy you understand me now |
| 01:40.58 | DrodoEmpire | But I'm making a mountain out of a molehill I guess |
| 01:41.35 | Charles_Bot | DrodoEmpire While you're still in command of this room, where's my deodorant? |
| 01:41.46 | DrodoEmpire | ? |
| 01:41.52 | Charles_Bot | :) |
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| 02:31.25 | Wormy_ | Well me and Random were discussing geological matters, and IRC does dip at this time. If people wanted to object they should have done from the start |
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| 04:10.22 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 04:10.47 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 04:14.58 | DrodoEmpire | So apparently Canada has a world-class special forces team that no one knows anything about o.O |
| 04:15.25 | DrodoEmpire | Joint Task Force 2, its called, and its kept extremely secret |
| 04:15.57 | DrodoEmpire | Which is in contrast to American SpecOps teams, whereas their more recent operations are kept under wraps we know relatively-speaking a lot about |
| 04:19.11 | Liquid_Ink | I see |
| 04:20.31 | DrodoEmpire | Rather controversially they were deployed without the approval or knowledge of the government in 2001, in Afghanistan |
| 04:20.44 | DrodoEmpire | Nobody from the PM to the parliament knew, and they were furious I hear |
| 04:26.33 | Liquid_Ink | So they should be |
| 04:34.42 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, gtg |
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| 06:59.07 | Dinolion92 | Hi |
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| 10:00.30 | drom | Hachiman: http://imgur.com/gallery/c9p1e |
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| 10:28.15 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 10:29.19 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid: Today's the day |
| 10:32.16 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 10:32.40 | Wormy_ | The crowning of the AntiChrist yey |
| 10:33.15 | Hachiman | drom: Fucking kek |
| 10:33.29 | Liquid_Ink | You know, if the protest chooses to instead of just protesting to storm government buildings they might accomplish something |
| 10:33.48 | Hachiman | Also |
| 10:33.51 | Hachiman | >the blonde thinks |
| 10:35.38 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114115_1700472903577833_8228935004814798882_n.jpg?oh=744205b225d7907136bf63b43d33fdf6&oe=590488CF Puppies |
| 10:41.05 | Wormy_ | I'd love to live in a world where everything is a puppy |
| 10:41.56 | Liquid_Ink | I'd love to live in a world where everything is a kitty |
| 10:49.40 | Liquid_Ink | I have a computer issue, the button that usually types @ is typing " and vice versa |
| 10:51.12 | Wormy_ | Hm, it must be possible to change your keybinds |
| 10:55.54 | Liquid_Ink | Okay, I switched from UK key bindings to US, but now I have to hit the " button twice, and then two of them show up |
| 10:56.42 | Wormy_ | Sounds like a bug |
| 10:59.56 | Wormy_ | https://www.facebook.com/viralthread/videos/599389896900364/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED |
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| 11:01.11 | Liquid_Ink | Fixed it |
| 11:02.33 | OluapPlayer | ImpyDroid: Oh shit http://www.wowhead.com/news=259398/patch-7-2-ptr-build-23436-updates-new-dungeon-legion-invasion-achievements check this out |
| 11:09.17 | Wormy_ | http://www.trueactivist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/photo_2016-11-28_02-10-28.jpg |
| 11:10.32 | Liquid_Ink | If you turn curly-joe there into another demon, with absolutely not trace of goodness, then it would be accurate |
| 11:11.54 | Wormy_ | See "The Colonel" and "A Cautionary Tale" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation#The_Colonel |
| 11:12.28 | Wormy_ | In the 20th century, the West turned him into a demon and a friend |
| 11:13.30 | Hachiman | I remember the capture and execution of Gaddafi; I remember his capture being televised and being celebrated like Libya had just been liberated, but I see comments nowadays that are torn between depicting the Colonel as either some kind of hero or villain |
| 11:13.43 | Hachiman | Can't say I'm too clued up on his history |
| 11:13.48 | Hachiman | bbs |
| 11:14.17 | Wormy_ | He was neither (well he *was* a bad guy), but the way he was depicted changed all the time |
| 11:17.23 | Wormy_ | creepy http://www.trueactivist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/rat-race.jpg |
| 11:18.12 | Liquid_Ink | Even though people on the subway have clear destinations in mind |
| 11:18.25 | Liquid_Ink | Whoever drew this just wanted to feel smug and superior |
| 11:19.28 | Wormy_ | yeah I'm kind of getting this feeling |
| 11:20.38 | Wormy_ | Here's the whole gallery http://www.trueactivist.com/disturbing-yet-accurate-illustrations-that-portray-the-absurdities-of-modern-society-gallery/?utm_source=FB&utm_campaign=44-GraphicAbsurdArt_v3B_FB&utm_medium=CPC_44 |
| 11:20.52 | Wormy_ | Some I can't see much sympathy for |
| 11:21.02 | Wormy_ | "Cell phone socity", so what |
| 11:21.33 | Liquid_Ink | A lot of these are accurat |
| 11:21.52 | drom | I can recall a picture of our society depicted as a horde of zombies with their heads fixed on phones. |
| 11:22.05 | Liquid_Ink | Captialism to blame for poverty, sport reduced to corporate advertising |
| 11:22.21 | Wormy_ | Didn't like the depiction of the geek as a fat greesy man Fucking stereotype of the geek community |
| 11:22.45 | drom | The most true stereotype for geeks are the glasses tbh |
| 11:24.20 | Wormy_ | lol http://www.trueactivist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/evolution.jpg |
| 11:25.51 | Liquid_Ink | Some of those were accurate, but many more were somebody trying to feel they're a superior breed of human |
| 11:26.05 | Wormy_ | yes |
| 11:26.10 | Liquid_Ink | In which case I wouldn't trust what kind of "activism" they'd be supporting |
| 11:26.16 | Wormy_ | Some are a bit ideological as well |
| 11:27.05 | Liquid_Ink | I wouldn't have portrayed Gaddafi as a good guy |
| 11:27.18 | Liquid_Ink | [21:10] <Liquid_Ink> If you turn curly-joe there into another demon, with absolutely no trace of goodness, then it would be accurate |
| 11:28.36 | Wormy_ | My reply to that is that whether he was a good guy or a bad guy seems to be based on the whim of what US administration was in power |
| 11:28.45 | Wormy_ | and the media |
| 11:29.32 | Wormy_ | This one scares something deep inside me http://www.trueactivist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/officeshit.jpg |
| 11:29.39 | Liquid_Ink | But anyway, considering yourself a superior human in this way is just playing right into the hands of the domination-society |
| 11:30.41 | Wormy_ | the woman forced to eat a burger... well, no-one is forced to eat them |
| 11:31.17 | Wormy_ | The other being force fed "poisonous" pharma, well is that implying they believe the right wing conspicy that the NWO is poisoning us all? |
| 11:32.07 | Liquid_Ink | It's definitely ableist. |
| 11:32.59 | Wormy_ | Its also the wring emphasis, the problem with big pharma is over-pricing and of course, constraints on researching new antibiotics because it ain't cheap to do that |
| 11:33.19 | Wormy_ | *wrong |
| 11:34.44 | Wormy_ | I'll tell you something that outraged me yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csLiYr5OGbg |
| 11:35.38 | Wormy_ | Traumatised dog forced into moving rapids for a heartwarming film about a dog's purpose. The dog nearly drowns in a later clip |
| 11:36.10 | Liquid_Ink | That's bad |
| 11:36.29 | Liquid_Ink | You could just CGI it |
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| 11:48.27 | Wormy_ | https://www.dailypetition.com/Punish-thugs-that-cut-dogs-ears-off-and-posed-for-photos-t-745 |
| 11:48.57 | Liquid_Ink | I misread "punish" as "Polish" |
| 11:48.59 | Liquid_Ink | Whoops |
| 11:50.14 | Liquid_Ink | http://liquidink21.tumblr.com/post/156054478250/frosty-deer-inspired-by-this-post-by Even when he's too fast to understand, he still sounds bitchy |
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| 11:55.05 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 11:56.40 | Vall | Hey |
| 12:00.25 | drom | I need to go, boys. A long car ride awaits me |
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| 12:03.44 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:04.09 | dino82_ | hi |
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| 12:31.59 | Wormy_ | 10/10 shitpost http://imgur.com/gallery/POq3n |
| 12:32.56 | Liquid_Ink | Nope, 100% organically grown aesthetic |
| 12:42.01 | Wormy_ | "orangu-can" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38673839 |
| 12:45.17 | OluapPlayer | ImpyDroid: http://www.wowhead.com/news=259398/patch-7-2-ptr-build-23436-updates-new-dungeon-legion-invasion-achievements |
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| 13:07.32 | Imperios | Hiya |
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| 13:10.59 | Imperios | Heya Vall |
| 13:13.12 | Vall | Hey Imp |
| 13:20.13 | Vall | Question: has there been any other Mexican on the wiki? |
| 13:28.20 | Imperios | Nah |
| 13:28.28 | Imperios | I think there was some other Latin American but I am not sure |
| 13:28.36 | Imperios | Other than OP of course |
| 13:29.31 | Imperios | Vall: http://tekku.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/pope1.jpg |
| 13:29.47 | Imperios | "I find your lack of faith disturbing" |
| 13:30.51 | Vall | Not too detached from the near future. |
| 13:31.16 | Vall | I'm hoping to see the Pope slash some rebels mid air like in Rogue One |
| 13:31.48 | Imperios | >rebels |
| 13:31.50 | Imperios | Protestants? |
| 13:32.01 | Vall | Yeah |
| 13:32.34 | Vall | I fall in that category |
| 13:33.11 | Vall | Hopefully, I'll find myself in the battle of Jakku and not in Scariff |
| 13:33.21 | Imperios | I thought you were Catholic |
| 13:33.35 | Imperios | Also, that's supposed to be an Eastern Orthodox Patriarch |
| 13:34.07 | Vall | Nope, I've been protestant my entire life |
| 13:34.39 | Vall | Ah |
| 13:34.43 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: http://www.wowhead.com/news=259398/patch-7-2-ptr-build-23436-updates-new-dungeon-legion-invasion-achievements |
| 13:34.59 | Imperios | Admittedly our Church isn't that much better |
| 13:35.06 | Vall | I didn't pay attention to the clothing |
| 13:35.19 | Imperios | Its clergy is incredibly corrupt |
| 13:35.36 | Vall | Well, I suppose that happens everywhere |
| 13:36.08 | Imperios | My parents have been to Milan recently, they saw a bunch of Russian Orthodox priests shopping in one of the most prestigious stores in the city |
| 13:37.21 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Huh, weird that there are so many naga in the Tomb |
| 13:37.40 | Vall | Yeah, here in Mexico, catholic priests leave the mass riding Mercedes Benz |
| 13:37.43 | OluapPlayer | Azshara's servants clearly |
| 13:37.46 | Imperios | Vall: I thought that Protestants do not have that many problems in that sphere |
| 13:37.59 | Vall | Well, not many |
| 13:38.07 | Vall | But we are not excent |
| 13:38.09 | Imperios | What with them being more disorganised |
| 13:38.10 | OluapPlayer | Also we're fighting Naisha |
| 13:38.14 | Imperios | >Naisha |
| 13:38.16 | Imperios | NOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 13:38.18 | Vall | Brb |
| 13:38.40 | Imperios | That's kind of sad |
| 13:45.33 | Vall | What WoW server are you on? |
| 13:45.39 | Imperios | Argent Dawn |
| 13:46.50 | OluapPlayer | http://www.wowhead.com/news=259407/7-2-ptr-build-23436-models-class-mount-and-tints-and-pepe also new models |
| 13:47.13 | Vall | Nice |
| 13:47.25 | Imperios | You? |
| 13:48.46 | Vall | I don't play it anymore |
| 13:53.58 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: >every class gets badass unique creatures |
| 13:54.03 | Imperios | >we get rehashed old mounts |
| 13:54.05 | Imperios | tfw |
| 13:54.21 | OluapPlayer | I like that warriors get a proto-drake but |
| 13:54.23 | OluapPlayer | It looks so derpy |
| 13:55.09 | Imperios | http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/602355.jpg Wait is that Anduin |
| 13:55.57 | OluapPlayer | Apparently yeah |
| 13:55.59 | Imperios | Also Gallywix finally gets a model |
| 13:56.05 | Imperios | yiy |
| 13:56.22 | OluapPlayer | fat goblin shite |
| 13:58.52 | OluapPlayer | If Anduin is gonna get involved, perhaps Wrathion will make an appearance too |
| 14:03.01 | Imperios | Vall: Has the Dark Lord been coronated yet? |
| 14:03.08 | Imperios | It's going to happen today isn't it |
| 14:10.25 | Imperios | Dark Lord as in, you know, Trump |
| 14:13.42 | Vall | He will be in three hours |
| 14:13.47 | Vall | Unless we stop him. |
| 14:18.01 | Imperios | I think assassinating him would be counterproductive |
| 14:18.05 | Imperios | What do you think about him BTW? |
| 14:25.14 | Vall | Well |
| 14:25.26 | Vall | He means trouble for Mexico so far. |
| 14:31.16 | dino82_ | hi val |
| 14:32.26 | Wormy_ | trouble for the world when the nukes rain |
| 14:32.46 | Imperios | Don't worry, we'll save Europe |
| 14:32.47 | Imperios | AGAINB |
| 14:32.51 | Imperios | *AGAIN |
| 14:32.56 | Vall | Lol |
| 14:33.11 | Vall | Hi dino82_ |
| 14:35.13 | Wormy_ | He wants to take weekends off |
| 14:35.22 | dino82_ | :D |
| 14:36.49 | Vall | Guys, I wanted to share an idea I had |
| 14:37.05 | Vall | Anyone into Darkspore? |
| 14:39.49 | dino82_ | Nope |
| 14:59.38 | Vall | We could have a big invasion event to honor Darkspore's cancellation |
| 15:00.04 | Vall | When everything else settles up in the fictionverse |
| 15:00.53 | Vall | By creating our own Sporewiki version of the Darkspore and the Crogenitors |
| 15:08.08 | Technobliterator | Imperios, OluapPlayer, are you guys free later today for Borealis War stuff if Monet gets on? |
| 15:08.14 | Imperios | sure |
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| 15:52.35 | OluapPlayer | Later, playing games atm |
| 15:55.12 | dino82_ | souns interessting val! |
| 15:59.28 | Imperios | Vall: BTW Ink reminded me of something recently |
| 15:59.53 | Imperios | I am currently making a Spodist alliance that would resemble a softer version of the original Church of Spode |
| 16:00.08 | Imperios | And Ink linked me your Missio-something fellas |
| 16:00.20 | Vall | Missionistus Ministry |
| 16:01.55 | Imperios | Yep, them |
| 16:03.54 | Vall | They were a galactic wide crusade specifically to destroy the Krassio in times where the latter were still divided |
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| 16:04.21 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 16:04.29 | Vall | They are the ones who prompted the creation of the Cianju Alliance |
| 16:05.45 | Vall | But they were disbanded |
| 16:06.45 | Vall | Unless you want them to come back and attack my fiction again lol |
| 16:07.09 | Technobliterator | That reminds me, did I ever finish the rewritten Cianju Alliance page? ?_? |
| 16:08.44 | Vall | Dunno?_? |
| 16:10.00 | Vall | Hey Jepardi |
| 16:11.44 | Technobliterator | I could finish it if you want, or you could, up to you :o |
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| 16:12.31 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 16:20.35 | dino82_ | hi |
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| 16:21.12 | Vall | Dunno >_< |
| 16:21.16 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 16:21.20 | Vall | Hey |
| 16:24.13 | dino82_ | hi |
| 16:29.04 | Imperios | Vall: So, what I wanted to ask you is if, and how, we can integrate the Missionistus into this new Uniate League me and Tybusen are working on (there must have been some remnants of their empire left after all), as well as the new Church of Spode canon |
| 16:29.46 | Imperios | I've recently done a big rewrite of the pages related to early Radeon history, pre-Divinarium |
| 16:30.16 | Imperios | The Masaari Crusade is now a movement within the Church of Spode rather than a new state formed from it |
| 16:38.38 | Vall | Hmm |
| 16:40.02 | Vall | Imperios: Perhaps they can be the most zealous faction in your new alliance |
| 16:40.22 | Vall | Like the Inquisition in Dragon Age |
| 16:40.46 | Vall | Being formed from time to time to deal with a specific threat to the Spodists |
| 16:41.04 | Vall | What do you think? |
| 16:42.45 | Vall | Because they were founded specifically to exterminate the psionic users back then, maybe you can reform them again for something else |
| 16:42.54 | Imperios | Hmmm |
| 16:42.56 | Vall | Yo participate in a war or something |
| 16:43.08 | Imperios | Perhaps there could be a new military order modelled after the Missionistus? |
| 16:43.18 | Imperios | Maybe with the same name |
| 16:47.39 | Vall | Yeah |
| 16:48.46 | Vall | An entire fleet or regiment dedicated for a specific purpose, since their name refers to having some sort of mission |
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| 16:51.40 | Vall | Because the Missionistus were really zealous, if this new military order were to adopt their ways, or something of it, they need to have a purpose |
| 17:05.59 | Wormy_ | Well I just had the worst fucking day in a long time |
| 17:07.33 | Wormy_ | Took my dog to the park, he ran a short way and then collapsed screaming, bent on his leg. We had to call the vet and wait nearly an hour tfor them to arrive and pick him on a stretcher |
| 17:08.42 | Wormy_ | Don't know whether he broke it, had a sprain, or whether he has some neurological problem in his spine. He's going to get tests done, potentially costing more money than I have, because despite being insured it won't cover the MRI scan |
| 17:19.58 | Imperios | The way I see it, the former races of the Missionistus could join in as members, while there would also be a military organisation composed mostly of these races and under the League, who would seek to reform the Missionistus' traditons |
| 17:28.29 | Vall | Sounds good. |
| 17:53.04 | Vall | Wormy_ do you need money? I could send you some though it will be in pesos |
| 17:53.25 | Vall | Probably won't do much difference, but hey its something lol |
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| 18:24.00 | Xho | Hachiman: https://www.gearnews.com/ibanez-ftm33-meshuggah-signature-model-leaked/ And there goes my money |
| 18:24.05 | Wormy_ | Vall: Its alright, we've sorted it now. But thanks for the offer |
| 18:27.34 | dino82_ | bye bye |
| 18:27.36 | Xho | OluapPlayer: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16177583_10158134353480581_8534710323241435861_o.jpg?oh=ee1c1fcbf88be040df789ef294fe91d2&oe=590A9904 |
| 18:27.38 | Xho | bye |
| 18:27.53 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 18:29.28 | Xho | So, saving up for uni |
| 18:29.34 | Xho | New Meshuggah guitar |
| 18:29.37 | Xho | I'm torn here |
| 18:30.58 | Vall | I'll take my leave |
| 18:31.05 | Vall | See ya guys! |
| 18:31.40 | Xho | So was that actually Val |
| 18:33.29 | Xho | Or just a randomer named Vall |
| 18:33.44 | Wormy_ | Yes |
| 18:34.19 | Wormy_ | He offered to send me money in pesos |
| 18:34.30 | Xho | crazy motherfucker |
| 18:34.48 | Wormy_ | Well my dog went to doggie hospital |
| 18:35.05 | Xho | I was about to post something that is now in bad taste |
| 18:35.06 | Xho | gg wormy |
| 18:35.23 | Xho | Lucky I didn't go there |
| 18:35.46 | Wormy_ | He just ran a short way and then ollaspsed, and looks all... bent |
| 18:36.02 | Wormy_ | Had to have it out on a stretcher |
| 18:36.41 | Wormy_ | Don't know what the problem is yet |
| 18:39.59 | Xho | Sounds like he might have dislocated something |
| 18:40.38 | Wormy_ | Pproblem is, the vets stretched his legs and couldn't feel anything |
| 18:40.45 | Wormy_ | They have a hunch its neurological |
| 18:41.05 | Wormy_ | To my understand, a spasm common in whippets |
| 18:44.03 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: Have to attend to some stuff now, but I had fun with what we did |
| 18:44.09 | Imperios | yiy |
| 18:44.14 | Imperios | SDid you get the trinker? |
| 18:44.33 | OluapPlayer | I didn't, I couldn't progress the quest |
| 18:44.47 | OluapPlayer | Had no idea what I was supposed to do |
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| 18:45.42 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 18:46.48 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 18:48.28 | Xho | Hi |
| 18:48.59 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman Imperios: I'm thinking of possibly reformatting the Eschaton end story to a more of an overview rather than the other stories |
| 18:49.04 | Xho | Because the ending is more or less clear |
| 18:49.13 | OluapPlayer | Hachi is away |
| 18:49.16 | OluapPlayer | And right |
| 18:49.33 | Xho | Although I might keep the FAINARU BATTARU as an rp because why not |
| 18:50.22 | OluapPlayer | Honestly I don't think roleplaying that will work |
| 18:50.25 | OluapPlayer | Better as an overview |
| 18:50.53 | Xho | Well I when I say final battle I mean Team vs Kalarah |
| 18:51.00 | OluapPlayer | I know |
| 18:51.03 | Xho | y u |
| 18:52.07 | Xho | https://www.facebook.com/UberFacts/videos/1449365541763197/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED This is the only Trump-related thing I'll post today but still funny |
| 18:52.37 | Xho | I suppose an overview can still wrk |
| 18:52.40 | Xho | work |
| 18:52.51 | Xho | Although Kalarah is one of my favourite characters to use |
| 18:52.56 | OluapPlayer | Mine, Hachi and Imp's characters are essentially along for the ride. You can work the final battle out by yourself since it'd be your character who'd do the actual fighting |
| 18:52.58 | Xho | shame he's somewhat!dead |
| 18:53.26 | Xho | I guess so |
| 18:53.34 | Xho | I can't really figure out how the team would fight Kalarah though |
| 18:53.41 | Xho | Kalarah is uber-op |
| 18:53.50 | Xho | Oh wait now I remember |
| 18:53.50 | Xho | nevermind |
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| 19:00.42 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 19:01.48 | OluapPlayer | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/gaozZrF.jpg |
| 19:02.18 | Xho | kek |
| 19:11.08 | Xho | I don't quite get Club Penguin |
| 19:11.10 | Xho | Nor do I want to |
| 19:16.42 | Wormy_ | Oluap: Yeah I visited club penguin wiki once and they have such strict rules you can't create user pages right away |
| 19:17.05 | Wormy_ | Also, Donald Trump's speech included "We are ready to unlock the secrets of space". |
| 19:18.21 | OluapPlayer | Penguins are srs bsns |
| 19:21.59 | Xho | Wormy_: Santorakh - that's where you're wrong kiddo |
| 19:31.06 | Wormy_ | Xho: my dog had a stroke, but should recover and doesn't require surgury |
| 19:31.40 | Xho | That's good |
| 19:31.46 | Xho | I mean not good that the dog had a stroke but |
| 19:31.51 | Xho | Good that the dog will recover |
| 19:32.00 | Wormy_ | Actually it could be a lot worse |
| 19:32.19 | Wormy_ | So it is better news than a disease in the spine |
| 19:33.22 | Wormy_ | I think dogs handle strokes better than we do |
| 19:34.02 | Xho | Probably |
| 19:35.13 | Wormy_ | My other dog had slipped disc a few years ago and was paralysed for several weeks, but recovered and still wobbles a bit now and then |
| 19:35.35 | Wormy_ | vet nearly put him down |
| 19:36.48 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/822527697528254464, |
| 19:37.13 | Xho | "So help me God" God - that's where you're wrong kiddo |
| 19:37.23 | Xho | Alright I've used my quota for today |
| 19:39.33 | DrodoAway | test |
| 19:39.45 | DrodoAway | oyy veymao |
| 19:40.38 | Wormy_ | I just worry about the underlying cause |
| 19:46.23 | Groxkiller98 | So, I'm working on the Spirit of Suluan's model. |
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| 19:55.43 | Dillonator407 | hello |
| 19:56.18 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 19:56.51 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
| 19:56.52 | DrodoEmpire | Hey guys |
| 19:57.02 | Groxkiller98 | Yah? |
| 19:57.19 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Spirit_of_Suluan |
| 20:00.22 | Dillonator407 | interesting |
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| 20:01.35 | Dillonator407 | hi |
| 20:03.41 | Monet | hi |
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| 20:17.35 | Dillonator407 | hello |
| 20:26.41 | Wormy_ | Xho: The stroke was in his spine, not his brain, so no lasting damage like you could get off of a stroke on the brain |
| 20:27.01 | Wormy_ | This is quite relieving in a weird sense |
| 20:27.07 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 20:56.47 | Xho | Technobliterator: Trying to work out the verse pattern to a Meshuggah song called Clockworks |
| 20:56.51 | Xho | It's evil af |
| 20:56.59 | Technobliterator | That sounds |
| 20:57.01 | Technobliterator | extremely difficult |
| 20:57.16 | Xho | So far I think I've figured it out |
| 20:58.42 | Xho | (2 - [1] - 2 - [2] - 4 - [3] ) - 2 - [2] - 2 - [1] - 2 - [2] - 4 - [3] repeated a number of times |
| 20:59.10 | Xho | Each number in brackets represents a 16th triplets and each one not is a dotted eighth |
| 21:01.47 | Xho | Or in other words (XX - xxx - XX - xxxxxx - XXXX - xxxxxxxxx) - XX - xxxxxx - XX - xxx - XX - xxxxxx - XXXX - xxxxxxxxx repeated a number of times |
| 21:01.57 | Xho | real fuckery right here |
| 21:07.32 | DrodoEmpire | https://i.gyazo.com/8be15413db7b2571017e203e804fc757.png i foudn a meem xd |
| 21:27.57 | Xho | bad |
| 21:27.58 | Xho | stop |
| 21:34.05 | Monet | THat just makes me think of WKD. |
| 21:43.02 | Tek0516 | hits DrodoEmpire with a baguette |
| 21:43.31 | DrodoEmpire | >: |
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| 21:53.38 | Wormy_ | https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsc4Iie2LuBlbBS/giphy.gif |
| 21:53.40 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 22:00.28 | Wormy_ | I want this to be real, probably isn't http://imgur.com/gallery/KDubZrq |
| 22:02.32 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 22:14.14 | Imperios | Wormy_: About Trump's speech, there was that gem |
| 22:14.22 | Imperios | "One nation, one country, one destiny" |
| 22:14.28 | Imperios | EIN VOLK, EIN REICH, EIN FUHRER |
| 22:15.30 | Wormy_ | Huh |
| 22:16.14 | Imperios | It was probably unintentional on his part, or perhaps it is just that most populists use similar slogans |
| 22:16.32 | Wormy_ | Also part of the strategy of Kazakstan http://astana.assembly.kz/en/session/session-20-2013-strategy-kazakhstan-2050-one-nation-one-country-one-destiny |
| 22:16.41 | Wormy_ | Kazakhstan |
| 22:17.09 | Imperios | >one nation |
| 22:17.19 | Imperios | >literally the most multiethnic country in the region |
| 22:17.56 | Wormy_ | is best country in the world |
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| 22:47.02 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 22:57.35 | Imperios | Hi Ink |
| 22:57.54 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 22:58.02 | NeonPanda | send help |
| 22:58.03 | NeonPanda | I might be slightly addicted to that restaurant's breakfast sausages |
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| 23:07.05 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
| 23:07.32 | Monet | NeonPanda: Must be good sausages |
| 23:08.49 | NeonPanda | Monet: they are |
| 23:09.00 | Wormy_ | All I can think of when I read "sausages" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZYrutVyZ-A |
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| 23:25.09 | NeonPanda | unrelated note, I don't get the deal with sparkling water |
| 23:25.21 | NeonPanda | just tastes like bad lemonade |
| 23:26.14 | Monet | Agreed |
| 23:26.27 | Monet | Too much CO2 |
| 23:28.51 | Liquid_Ink | I love sparkling water |
| 23:29.09 | Liquid_Ink | My father hates it though, because he keeps accidentally buying it when he's trying to get regular water |
| 23:29.53 | Wormy_ | I don't mind natural mineral water, which can be a bit sparkly, but I don't like overly sparkly water. Buxton is a town in Derbyshire where natural spring water gushes out and is tapped and you can drink it for free in the town |
| 23:30.33 | Wormy_ | *gets patriotic about Derbyshire again* |
| 23:30.51 | Wormy_ | Also highest town in England |
| 23:32.07 | Wormy_ | https://literarylydi.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/english-railway-travel-art-poster-print-buxton-england-the-mountain-spa-by-lms-381-p.jpg |
| 23:32.56 | Wormy_ | Free water yey https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8076/8335847770_9ec14dab68_z.jpg |
| 23:57.03 | DrodoEmpire | I've only had sparkling water a couple times. Its alright. |
