| 00:04.35 | Monet | The more I think on it ,the more I wonder how many of the Star Wars Empire's traits were put in to make sure any outside observers understood the Empire was evil. |
| 00:05.13 | Xho | Hm |
| 00:06.00 | DrodoEmpire | Well the thing is that at its core SW is an incredibly simple story |
| 00:06.07 | DrodoEmpire | A quintessential Monomyth |
| 00:06.12 | Monet | Indeed. |
| 00:06.20 | DrodoEmpire | Its the Expanded Universe that gave it real depth |
| 00:06.40 | DrodoEmpire | And there? I'll be honest, the Empire becomes more of a dark shade of grey than entirely evil |
| 00:06.44 | Monet | But it seems like some stuff was added to possibly counter the Empire's community popularity |
| 00:06.49 | DrodoEmpire | Maaybe |
| 00:06.59 | Xho | Monomyth |
| 00:07.03 | Xho | I like that word |
| 00:07.30 | DrodoEmpire | Its a literary theory that most stories-- particularly adventures-- are essentially the same one with different names and places |
| 00:07.46 | Xho | Thanks to wikipedia I figured it out before you explained it |
| 00:07.46 | Xho | kek |
| 00:07.50 | DrodoEmpire | >: |
| 00:08.05 | DrodoEmpire | They follow essentially the same plot and plot progression, and their protagonists and other characters often have certain traits |
| 00:09.00 | Xho | Makes sense |
| 00:09.03 | Xho | I need to go to sleep |
| 00:09.17 | Monet | For instance the Empire is a military juggernaut where the officer corps essentially play power games comparable to the Venetians or those of the 16th c. French Court. |
| 00:09.38 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 00:09.42 | DrodoEmpire | kk, night Xho |
| 00:09.52 | Monet | Night |
| 00:10.35 | Monet | It's a bit counterproductive to keep your supply chains stable when the moffs lower in the chain are making plans on how to replace their superiors. |
| 00:10.52 | DrodoEmpire | Almost feudal |
| 00:11.47 | Monet | The enslavement of the Wookiees could be a case of "everything is eviler with slavery" |
| 00:12.44 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, everything *is* eviler with slavery |
| 00:12.46 | DrodoEmpire | But yeah |
| 00:13.36 | Monet | This is a galaxy where droids are surely cheaper and importantly -everywhere- |
| 00:13.56 | DrodoEmpire | True |
| 00:19.02 | Tek0516 | Outside of basically going one-dimensional pure evil the Empire really does suffer from the sympathy issue. |
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| 00:19.24 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 00:20.52 | Monet | Although Its humanocentrism probably doesn't help as it means everyone who is human (aka every single viewer) has a good(ish) life |
| 00:23.43 | Tek0516 | It's genocidal-ness is rarely directly shown which contributes to it further |
| 00:26.09 | Monet | It blows up a planet which honestly is so quickly passed over it's the equivalent of that random ill-fated cop that shows pictures of his family fie minutes before he dies. |
| 00:26.19 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Eh not necessarily |
| 00:26.47 | DrodoEmpire | As a human you start with some advantages due to it being a racist regime, but it doesn't guarantee a good life |
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| 00:26.56 | DrodoEmpire | You can still be poor, or persecuted for other reasons |
| 00:26.57 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 00:27.02 | NoXIILarxene | Ello ^^ |
| 00:27.11 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: Fair point. |
| 00:27.20 | NoXIILarxene | So I was just playing Dwarf Fortress in my first fort... got 15 immigrants when my before-then population was 10. |
| 00:27.25 | Tek0516 | Most of the loyal humans typically shown in Star Wars tend to be the well-off kind though. |
| 00:27.51 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow |
| 00:28.04 | DrodoEmpire | Did you build a wall at least? <.< |
| 00:28.22 | Monet | Alderaan was meant to have shock value but the problem is we only know two thinks from the original film alone: They're pacifists, and the hot princess played by Carrie Fisher is from there. |
| 00:28.27 | NoXIILarxene | Nope, not Trump |
| 00:28.32 | Monet | two things* |
| 00:28.48 | DrodoEmpire | hur yeah |
| 00:29.32 | Tek0516 | Typically the non-Rebels shown tend to be either loyal and well-off, or ill-treated and rebellious. |
| 00:30.15 | Monet | They could blow up any random planet, have Leia shout how callous Tarkin is for threatening unseen millions and you'd honestly get a similar effect. |
| 00:30.45 | Tek0516 | And I agree, not much shock value. We know it should be huge but we haven't seen enough to feel attached. |
| 00:31.16 | DrodoEmpire | To be fair, nobody ever said Star Wars was perfect |
| 00:31.28 | Monet | http://2w6kxc22rrr9mabqt1mglgait6.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Alderaan-bombing.jpg literalyl the most we see of it XD |
| 00:31.29 | Tek0516 | By no means. |
| 00:31.42 | DrodoEmpire | I think a youtuber I watched said it best when he said that Star Wars is more a thing you grow up with, not something you fall in love with as an adult |
| 00:31.53 | Tek0516 | Yeah |
| 00:31.57 | DrodoEmpire | And booooy did I grow up with it xD |
| 00:32.05 | Tek0516 | Same |
| 00:32.50 | Monet | Yeah I can see what he means. |
| 00:33.11 | Monet | And while I mock it, I still enjoy the franchise. |
| 00:33.17 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:33.41 | Monet | Episode III gave us this for Alderaan http://spoiledbluemilk.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/alderaan.jpg |
| 00:33.51 | DrodoEmpire | >Playing as Aztecs |
| 00:33.53 | Wormy_ | I used to be able to speak the script of films in verbitum |
| 00:33.57 | DrodoEmpire | >Portugal declares war |
| 00:34.07 | DrodoEmpire | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 00:34.15 | DrodoEmpire | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 00:34.35 | Monet | Which could be why in Episode VII we saw the beam from the surface (the beam slowing down is a bit stupid but eh. Star Wars) |
| 00:34.40 | Wormy_ | For me it was always the EU/Legacy content that really obsessed with though |
| 00:35.00 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:35.08 | Monet | We got to see a full glimpse of what was about to be destroyed in Ep. VII. |
| 00:37.10 | Tek0516 | Even the stuff in Rogue one had a fair bit of impact since we had scenes in the targets first. |
| 00:37.46 | DrodoEmpire | I heard some really mixed opinions on Rogue One |
| 00:38.00 | DrodoEmpire | The aforementioned Youtuber (E;R, by the way) really didn't like it >.< |
| 00:38.11 | DrodoEmpire | Granted, he was also extremely critical of the Force Awakens |
| 00:38.25 | DrodoEmpire | I haven't seen it quite yet, so I dunno |
| 00:38.31 | DrodoEmpire | What about you guys? |
| 00:38.37 | Monet | Acting in Rogue I is a bit monotone in places. But it's more of a nuanced film than its predecessors |
| 00:38.42 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 00:38.46 | Wormy_ | someone said to me they liked it more |
| 00:39.02 | Wormy_ | I've not seen it yet |
| 00:39.38 | Tek0516 | Rogue one has its share of flaws but I still enjoyed it. |
| 00:42.38 | Tek0516 | I think one issue I hear most and I agree with is that the character development is somewhat lacking and you don't really get attached to them. Don't even really remember the names much. |
| 00:42.47 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 00:43.00 | DrodoEmpire | I hear the origin of its issues lie mostly in the sheer number of rewrites and reshoots |
| 00:43.07 | DrodoEmpire | Which jumbled it up a lot |
| 00:43.12 | Tek0516 | Quite possibly. |
| 00:43.22 | Wormy_ | I'm a big Donnie Yen fan so I'll know I'll root for his character |
| 00:43.22 | DrodoEmpire | Apparently it was originally going to be a lot grittier and greyer morally |
| 00:43.36 | DrodoEmpire | Which I would' |
| 00:43.39 | DrodoEmpire | *would've liked |
| 00:43.43 | Monet | I recall hearing |
| 00:44.03 | DrodoEmpire | At the same time, these reshoots and rewrites may've been for the better in terms of character, who knows though |
| 00:44.15 | Monet | That was roundabout the time the first trailer came out but the director came out saying the trailer was "not the film eh wanted" |
| 00:44.49 | Tek0516 | A YouTuber I watch talked about how the movie's novelization fixes a fair bit of their issues with the character development and such, so they probably did have that stuff planned. |
| 00:44.53 | Wormy_ | Then the director should have directed better |
| 00:45.51 | Monet | Wormy_: Directors basically fight the marketing department for a good trailer. |
| 00:46.12 | Tek0516 | Actually a podcast I listened to yesterday pointed out that you could have written out the entire 45 minutes of the movie of Jedha and still had the movie work. |
| 00:46.42 | Monet | If left unrestrained I'm PRETTY sure the Disney Marketing Department could have included some spoileriffic scenes. |
| 00:56.56 | Tek0516 | It never never really felt that gray to me either. Even with the extremist rebels (who had a thinly veiled islamic design) I think I've seen them do worse in Star Wars Rebels. |
| 00:57.27 | Technobliterator | I was disappointed with how little gray there was amongst the rebels |
| 00:57.39 | Technobliterator | All we saw is Cassian be a dick a couple times then suddenly just revert to being a pure good guy |
| 00:57.57 | Technobliterator | and then Saw Gerrera who we only know is an "extremist" because they tell us and because he uses a mind squid for some reason |
| 00:57.59 | Monet | Umm |
| 00:58.01 | Monet | Saw |
| 00:58.15 | Technobliterator | Which, in my opinion, was a fairly pointless scene |
| 00:58.22 | Technobliterator | And he's not even with the Alliance |
| 00:58.30 | Monet | Well there was also the fact his men engaged in open urban warfare with the Empire. |
| 00:59.00 | Tek0516 | Which isn't really that gray IMO. |
| 00:59.15 | Technobliterator | And also isn't related to the Alliance |
| 00:59.23 | Monet | He was |
| 00:59.28 | Technobliterator | We didn't see how the Alliance are sometimes bad guys |
| 00:59.39 | Technobliterator | we just saw one guy sometimes be a bad guy and then immediately die |
| 00:59.50 | Technobliterator | and another guy sometimes be a bit of a dick and then immediately become a good guy |
| 01:00.14 | Technobliterator | when they hyped it up as showing some of the good and bad of both sides, I was a little disappointed |
| 01:00.25 | DrodoEmpire | I'd chalk that up to the competing motivations between Disney and the writers |
| 01:00.28 | Monet | There was that follower of his who twisted Rook's story to make it seem like they captured an Imperial spy. |
| 01:00.34 | DrodoEmpire | One wanted a gritty movie, one wanted something more marketable |
| 01:00.58 | Technobliterator | there was the bit where Jyn said "oh, the Alliance brought me nothing but pain, I don't really care if the Empire rules as long as it doesn't affect my life", but we saw nothing else about that point of view |
| 01:01.26 | Monet | You just contradicted yourself |
| 01:01.47 | Technobliterator | There was a missed opportunity to present the Empire as bringing some sort of order and making people feel safe, and how the Alliance would just present a problem to most people who didn't want war |
| 01:01.53 | Technobliterator | But it was barely touched upon at all |
| 01:01.59 | Monet | Jyn spent most of her life after the first five minutes of the film under Saw, who you moments ago declared "wasn't alliance" |
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| 01:03.21 | Technobliterator | He's not Alliance, no |
| 01:03.26 | Technobliterator | And they killed him off very quickly |
| 01:03.48 | Monet | I'm guessing you were paraphrasing |
| 01:03.49 | Technobliterator | If he was supposed to represent the gray areas of the film, he was underwhelming at it |
| 01:04.38 | Monet | I think it was mentioned that back when Jyn was a child, Saw was on the fringes of the Alliance. |
| 01:05.15 | DrodoEmpire | "yeah I'm not like those mainstream rebels" |
| 01:05.17 | Technobliterator | And by the time they are trying to find him, he has cut ties with the Alliance |
| 01:05.18 | DrodoEmpire | "fuckin posers" |
| 01:06.03 | Technobliterator | He no longer represents them, which goes back to the plain black and white Star Wars in which the Alliance a purely good guys and the Empire and pure evil |
| 01:06.06 | Technobliterator | It is a shame |
| 01:07.39 | Monet | I find this might be pedantics as at the end of the day, he's still leading a resistance group and the Empire proper doesn't really care he's running his own pack. |
| 01:08.39 | Monet | And for a "Not alliance to restore the Republic" he seems very causal about wearing an old flag as a cloak. |
| 01:09.03 | Monet | If that's not patriotism for the old order I don't know what is. |
| 01:09.31 | Technobliterator | It bothers me that the only guy who may seem a bit out there or a bit dodgy is the guy who was cut from the Alliance and who they are reluctant to associate with |
| 01:10.12 | Technobliterator | And the only active Alliance member, Cassian, is shown to just be a dick once or twice, and other than some dialogue, we don't really explore the Alliance as morally gray |
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| 01:10.33 | Monet | It told me that the rebellion against the Empire is far from the monolithic entity of the old canon |
| 01:10.37 | Technobliterator | They're just back to being the goodies who never did anything wrong, and the Empire are just the evil Nazis that never did anything right |
| 01:10.42 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/v4zr9uM.jpg |
| 01:11.17 | Tek0516 | Saw showed up in the Star Wars Rebels series, at that point something like 2-4 years earlier and even there he's known for his extreme hate of the Empire. |
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| 01:12.30 | Monet | An establishment as large and heavy-handed as the Empire surely has multiple resistance groups. |
| 01:13.20 | Monet | The Alliance just happens to be the largest. And let's not forget Rogue One is ideally supposed to be when the Alliance is at it's lowest. |
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| 01:14.19 | dinolion92 | Lol |
| 01:14.23 | Technobliterator | Why does it have to be another resistance group to the Empire to be morally gray? |
| 01:14.46 | NeonPanda | because idealism is rife in star wars primary movies |
| 01:14.47 | Technobliterator | Why does the largest resistance group have to be a beacon of morally pure, completely good guys who never did anything wrong? |
| 01:15.05 | Technobliterator | I don't mind if they want to tell that story, but it bothers me that they marketed it as the opposite |
| 01:15.09 | NeonPanda | aside from Cassian's big old rant about all the horrible things he's done in the name of the rebellion |
| 01:15.12 | Monet | NeonPanda hits it right on the nose. |
| 01:15.16 | Tek0516 | Monet: The hints its looking like from Rogue One and Rebels is that the Rebel Alliance is exactly that, an alliance of many of these rebel groups. |
| 01:15.47 | DrodoEmpire | And you should show, not tell >.< |
| 01:16.05 | Monet | "the largest resistance group have to be a beacon of morally pure, completely good guys who never did anything wrong" > That's called "good PR" |
| 01:16.06 | NeonPanda | I should point out though: there's nothing wrong with just having the setting be good guys versus bad guys. |
| 01:16.07 | Technobliterator | Cassian rants about doing bad things, and we see him kill one guy, then suddenly he "develops" and now he's back to being a pure good guy again |
| 01:16.09 | DrodoEmpire | Its one thing to talk about something in a movie, but its better to show it |
| 01:16.16 | DrodoEmpire | Not necessarily no Panda |
| 01:16.29 | DrodoEmpire | But I think the problem is that Rogue One goes halfway with it |
| 01:16.30 | Technobliterator | There is nothing wrong with that |
| 01:16.38 | Technobliterator | there is something wrong with marketing your film as the opposite of that |
| 01:17.02 | Technobliterator | I liked Rogue One; it just disappointed me on that front |
| 01:17.21 | NeonPanda | maybe you guys got different marketing, cos over here we didn't see anything marketing the rebels as other than the good guys |
| 01:17.47 | NeonPanda | in fact Cassian's little rant caught me off guard cos the PR had been pretty flowery |
| 01:17.56 | Technobliterator | All I heard in the run up to the film was how this was a war story and how we would see the morally gray side of the Rebellion |
| 01:18.01 | Technobliterator | And we saw very little of that |
| 01:18.23 | Technobliterator | most of the morally gray was shoved into a character that, while interesting, is killed off fairly early and is not part of the Alliance |
| 01:18.37 | Monet | That grey side was the point of Saw's resistance group. |
| 01:18.45 | NeonPanda | *shrugs* I like the clones more anyway |
| 01:19.13 | Technobliterator | Which bothers me |
| 01:19.45 | Technobliterator | The only really morally grey resistance group we saw in the film are ones who are cut off from the Alliance |
| 01:19.55 | Technobliterator | and one guy who rants about doing stuff we never saw |
| 01:20.20 | Monet | In the case of Cassian's rant it might be for flow reasons. |
| 01:20.23 | Technobliterator | Then, they briefly touch on how the Empire might not be so bad for some people, but never explore it further |
| 01:20.29 | NeonPanda | well aside from lying to everyone in order to set up to kill the guy |
| 01:20.37 | Technobliterator | And then not killing that guy |
| 01:20.38 | NeonPanda | the guy being Mads |
| 01:20.41 | Monet | Actually Panda ahs a point. |
| 01:21.30 | Monet | And it might have been poor screenplay but I got the impression Cassian didn't kill because he had a crisis of faith. |
| 01:21.59 | Monet | He'd done some horrible things, that moment could have been "no more! I can't keep doing this." |
| 01:22.02 | NeonPanda | that's what it came across as to me |
| 01:22.24 | Technobliterator | He didn't kill because he had character development from shoddy guy to just pure good guy. Jyn didn't ever revisit the idea of the Empire not being perfect because she had character development from shoddy person to pure good person. |
| 01:22.26 | Technobliterator | This bothers me |
| 01:23.19 | Technobliterator | It's not really giving a morally gray message, it's giving a message that you will always end up as the purely good guy in the end and that's how you are suddenly able to win |
| 01:23.25 | Monet | It's hard to say the Alliance can't do wrong. Because if Jyn hadn't been there, Cassian might have killed. Which is what he was ordered by the Alliance to do. |
| 01:23.36 | Technobliterator | Which, if the film wants to tell that story, is fine. But that's not how the film was marketed. |
| 01:24.02 | Technobliterator | I think overall it doesn't detract from the film being pretty neat, though |
| 01:24.19 | NeonPanda | *shrugs* you're allowed to be bothered by things |
| 01:24.50 | Technobliterator | \o/ |
| 01:26.02 | NeonPanda | dunno what that entails |
| 01:26.28 | NeonPanda | I mean it strikes me as a victory pose but there hasn't been a victory, just me acknowledging that you can think what you like and arguing is pointless |
| 01:26.29 | Technobliterator | the \o/, or my being bothered by something? :P |
| 01:26.32 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 01:27.41 | Technobliterator | It's kind of a "yay" cheer, I guess? But I wouldn't consider it a victory pose |
| 01:27.49 | Technobliterator | I don't use it to say that I won |
| 01:27.57 | DrodoEmpire | \o/ |
| 01:28.15 | Technobliterator | I more use it to say "cool, yo" |
| 01:28.21 | DrodoEmpire | ã=â︿â=ã |
| 01:28.24 | NeonPanda | and of course I knew it wasn't praising the sun cos you did it wrong |
| 01:28.42 | Technobliterator | I don't really know how to describe the emojis that I use |
| 01:28.59 | Technobliterator | I use :V and : | all the time and can never describe what I mean by them |
| 01:29.06 | Monet | The right of free speech can still be respected. The thing that can bug me is when people use the right of free speech to question why others challenge their views. |
| 01:29.12 | DrodoEmpire | That's the same thing for me and "<.<" ">.>" |
| 01:30.01 | Monet | :> Is me being cheeky. |
| 01:30.34 | NeonPanda | anyway, personally I don't mind the Empire being moustache-twirling shits and the sun shining out the Rebellion's waste orifice, sometimes it's better that way |
| 01:31.43 | Technobliterator | I don't mind it either, I would just rather they told me that's what I was getting |
| 01:32.00 | Technobliterator | I mean, if the Empire are basically space Nazis |
| 01:32.14 | Technobliterator | then I can understand Disney being reluctant to portray them as ever good in any circumstance |
| 01:33.12 | NeonPanda | I don't recall the Empire being portrayed with any redeeming factors, like even when Mads and family were in that imperial apartment the whole trend was "I'm doing something I hate because I love my family" |
| 01:33.37 | NeonPanda | and from my point of view they did enough to show "hey not everyone who fights the empire is goody-goody" without getting in the way of the story |
| 01:34.15 | Technobliterator | Well, we already had that before |
| 01:34.18 | Technobliterator | with Jabba the Hutt |
| 01:34.28 | Technobliterator | or did he fight the empire in the OT ?_? |
| 01:34.34 | Monet | He didn't |
| 01:34.40 | DrodoEmpire | He would've been opposed to them by his very nature |
| 01:34.43 | DrodoEmpire | But he didn't fight them |
| 01:34.51 | Monet | Jabba at best tolerated Imperial troops walking around his city. |
| 01:35.05 | DrodoEmpire | Generally speaking showing shades of grey shouldn't be a plot impediment Panda <.< |
| 01:35.11 | DrodoEmpire | It should be an integral part of the plot |
| 01:35.41 | Monet | I think there is a few panels in Darth Vader where Jabba is essentially force choked into compliance. |
| 01:35.54 | NeonPanda | DrodoEmpire: this story didn't demand showing grey morality though, what it did demand was Bothans which were sorely lacking :P |
| 01:36.09 | DrodoEmpire | Because I'm sorta getting a feel that the issue is that they only went halfway with their moral greyness which upset some people |
| 01:36.12 | NeonPanda | not a single bothan in the whole movie |
| 01:38.10 | NeonPanda | either way, as previously stated I'm biased against anything that doesn't involve clone troopers :P |
| 01:38.52 | Technobliterator | I am curious if any Anthology films will visit the Clone Wars |
| 01:39.03 | Technobliterator | I have to give Rogue One a lot of credit for how will it bridged the PT and the OT |
| 01:39.08 | Technobliterator | well even |
| 01:40.42 | NeonPanda | tbh I don't think there's much in the Clone Wars that really needs to be revisited |
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| 01:41.04 | Monet | From what Tek says, Saw is better explained if you've seen him in Rebels. |
| 01:41.57 | Monet | That seems to be a trend in franchises now: You don't get the full picture unless you watch the film -and- read the supplementary content. |
| 01:42.45 | DrodoEmpire | That *is* smart from a marketing standpoint, got to hand them that |
| 01:42.58 | Monet | Marketing wise yeah |
| 01:43.04 | DrodoEmpire | An Extended Universe seems to be a good idea for some franchises for that reason |
| 01:43.13 | Technobliterator | Star Wars films from a business perspective are mostly just 2 hour long merchandise ads |
| 01:43.31 | DrodoEmpire | Unfortunately, Extended Universes tend to have a lot of shit, too >.< |
| 01:43.39 | Technobliterator | It has been the case since Episode VI, but it was only ever really a problem with the prequels |
| 01:43.47 | DrodoEmpire | But there's some goodies and as far as EUs go Star Wars' is mostly alright |
| 01:44.00 | Technobliterator | This is why Padme is not a popular cosplay choice |
| 01:44.01 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah true |
| 01:44.13 | Technobliterator | Rey and Leia, they have a few outfits and people can go as one of them |
| 01:44.18 | Monet | I ended u pcalling the Tie Defender we saw the TIE Buytmytoy. |
| 01:44.20 | Technobliterator | Padme has at least a few dozen outfits |
| 01:44.29 | Technobliterator | None of them stuck other than maybe the Geonosis one |
| 01:44.40 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 01:44.40 | Monet | TIE Buymytoy* |
| 01:44.43 | Technobliterator | Similarly, the OT has one villain, Darth Vader |
| 01:44.54 | Technobliterator | The PT cycled between three villains to sell action figures for each |
| 01:45.01 | Technobliterator | And thus, none of them stuck |
| 01:45.13 | DrodoEmpire | It definitely hurt the quality of the franchise yeah |
| 01:45.38 | Technobliterator | Also, you can't really cosplay any of the villains other than Darth Maul |
| 01:45.46 | Technobliterator | like, how the hell do you cosplay Grievous |
| 01:45.54 | Technobliterator | and Dooku must be so boring to do |
| 01:46.00 | DrodoEmpire | Whereas the original trilogy was all pretty good-- not perfect (well, Episode V was fantastic), but good |
| 01:46.04 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 01:46.19 | Technobliterator | It's a shame because the artwork for the prequels was just incredible |
| 01:46.23 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:46.24 | Technobliterator | the designs were so creative |
| 01:46.32 | DrodoEmpire | I *love* the Star Wars aesthetic |
| 01:46.58 | DrodoEmpire | You get the feeling of a civilisation that is unspeakably advanced, yet this technology is all so ancient its become contemporary, normal |
| 01:47.01 | Technobliterator | But they were wasted on characters and environments that became forgettable because of countless issues with the story, or because they were just cycled between |
| 01:47.02 | DrodoEmpire | If that makes sense |
| 01:47.06 | Technobliterator | Yup |
| 01:47.18 | Technobliterator | George Lucas is a genius at world building |
| 01:47.21 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:47.36 | Technobliterator | The big problem with Disney is so far they haven't been creative enough |
| 01:47.41 | DrodoEmpire | Definitely |
| 01:47.49 | DrodoEmpire | And they're fucking with the artstyle just a little |
| 01:47.52 | Technobliterator | they're trying too hard to play it "safe" with all the new things that come out |
| 01:47.56 | DrodoEmpire | Not too bad, I like most of their stuff |
| 01:47.59 | DrodoEmpire | Buuut |
| 01:48.24 | DrodoEmpire | I don't know what posessed them to make the new E-11s partially stark-white, it just looks a little bit silly |
| 01:48.28 | Technobliterator | The Prequels struck the right balance between feeling familiar and feeling new, I would not argue that the new stuff has |
| 01:48.37 | Technobliterator | Of course, we've only got one out of three episodes so far, so I may be wrong |
| 01:48.39 | DrodoEmpire | I suppose, I'm just nitpicking |
| 01:50.03 | NeonPanda | I for one am just sad that the carbine was the flag weapon of the stormtrooper corps, rather than the combat rifle |
| 01:50.21 | DrodoEmpire | Eh |
| 01:50.27 | NeonPanda | the DC-15A will always be my favourite clone weapon not counting the chest mounted quad turbolaser |
| 01:50.36 | DrodoEmpire | Given where they're commonly seen and deployed it makes sense |
| 01:51.09 | DrodoEmpire | They're more occupation forces deployed to police urban areas and sweep ships, not fight pitched battles over long distances |
| 01:51.26 | DrodoEmpire | So from a practical standpoint, it makes sense (perhaps accidentily) |
| 01:51.28 | NeonPanda | oh don't get me wrong, I know the reasoning, just makes me a little sad all the same |
| 01:51.33 | DrodoEmpire | Fair enough xD |
| 01:52.07 | NeonPanda | also how they managed to go from a combat rifle that can punch through a droideka's shields to a pissy little carbine that makes flesh wounds a possibility makes me laugh |
| 01:52.10 | Technobliterator | K-2SO best droid |
| 01:52.26 | NeonPanda | I disagree, he doesn't call people meatsack |
| 01:52.38 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah tbh blasters in my mind will always have the power of small grenade launches |
| 01:52.40 | DrodoEmpire | *launchers |
| 01:52.43 | dinolion92 | Actually, the Stormtrooper Corps was the primary ground force for the Empire. The Imperial Army(atleast in legends) was the occupation and police force. However, I believe the E-11 Carbine as primarily used because it was cheaper then the DC-15A, and fit more with Imperial doctrine. |
| 01:53.12 | Monet | Likely |
| 01:53.14 | DrodoEmpire | ...The imperial doctrine being thta they were the sole superpower, and that their army was ultimately an occupation force |
| 01:53.17 | Technobliterator | HK-47 is no longer canon, alas |
| 01:53.24 | DrodoEmpire | I know they were the primary ground force >.< |
| 01:53.28 | Technobliterator | I have no doubt they will recanonise KOTOR eventually |
| 01:53.31 | NeonPanda | doesn't make him less of best droid |
| 01:53.38 | Technobliterator | but until then, K-2SO best canon droid |
| 01:54.02 | dinolion92 | Yes. The Empire still needed to be able to project power over vast distances. The Stormtroopers were the perfect marine force for that. |
| 01:54.11 | Monet | I realised the other day that all the high-tech gadgetry put into Stormtrooper armour doesn't really make sense when the Imperial Air Force are forced to fly their ships in hermetically-sealed spacesuits. |
| 01:54.36 | Monet | And the TIEs themselves are like -super- cheap. |
| 01:54.57 | DrodoEmpire | Yes dinolion, but the Stormtroopers would still be fighting in high-risk situations, in mostly urban or ship combat |
| 01:55.04 | DrodoEmpire | Hence carbine |
| 01:56.08 | Technobliterator | I just sort of assumed the Empire didn't expect to ever be using the Stormtroopers for anything more than scaring people into obedience |
| 01:56.17 | Technobliterator | and didn't think they'd ever be fighting a war |
| 01:57.01 | DrodoEmpire | That's certainly part of i |
| 01:57.02 | DrodoEmpire | *it |
| 01:57.41 | dinolion92 | I agree with Technobliterator |
| 01:58.12 | Monet | Turning Stormtrooper armour into practically power armour seems like an attempt to justify "pre-pew you're dead" |
| 01:58.14 | dinolion92 | The Empire's troopers were mostly used for scaring people into submission. That was why the rebels won, eventually |
| 01:58.37 | NeonPanda | well, by what's canon anyway |
| 01:59.11 | Monet | Whatever Disney says apparently. |
| 01:59.14 | NeonPanda | it's more the Rebels won by the Empire fragmenting and falling apart to infighting after the death of the Emperor than anything else |
| 01:59.29 | DrodoEmpire | Panda: When SW was under Lucasfilm they kept the Canon *ridiculously* well organised |
| 01:59.33 | DrodoEmpire | I think that went to shit though |
| 01:59.44 | Monet | But I'm optimsitic in that they're likely going to spend several years sifting the EU content. |
| 01:59.49 | Technobliterator | There were still plenty of contradictions |
| 01:59.58 | NeonPanda | DrodoEmpire: before Disney happened literally everything with the Star Wars brand went through an approval process |
| 02:00.02 | Technobliterator | I hope the good stuff from the EU continues to be canonised |
| 02:00.09 | DrodoEmpire | Eh yeah, but they graded the canons |
| 02:01.47 | dinolion92 | I find it stupid that disney killed the EU. They could have gone any direction, but nooo! They had to retell A New Hope! |
| 02:02.15 | Monet | I don't think the EU is dead |
| 02:02.24 | Technobliterator | I thought it was a very sensible decision |
| 02:02.53 | Monet | I imagine we're going to see a lot of modified EU content over the next few years. |
| 02:03.14 | NeonPanda | All they did was restrict what is currently held to be canon- everything EU is still around as 'Legends,' which they're almost certainly going to be plundering for stories for years |
| 02:04.29 | Monet | Andi nregards to TOR |
| 02:04.50 | Monet | I see two canons: Disney Canon and Bioware Canon |
| 02:05.12 | NeonPanda | oh btw, on the prior subject: the Stormtroopers weren't actually the mainstay of the Imperial Army despite being portrayed that way, they were basically the elite shock troops. |
| 02:05.34 | Technobliterator | I think they are likely to recanonise KOTOR, and BioWare are likely to work on a KOTOR remake |
| 02:05.47 | Technobliterator | I think that's what they meant when they said they are working on projects "beyond the Old Republic", anyway |
| 02:06.04 | Monet | We've already had Malachor and a Hammerhead |
| 02:06.10 | Monet | In Disneycanon |
| 02:06.30 | Monet | Bioware was just making too much money off TOR for saying "nope none of it happened" to be plausible. So it still exists, Disney are just looking the other way. |
| 02:07.06 | Monet | And honestly why should it matter so much if Disney recognise KOTOR - it's the only non-Disney EU content that's still going strong. |
| 02:07.34 | Technobliterator | I think they are more likely to remake it |
| 02:07.36 | Monet | So by virtue of "its' still going," the KOTOR continuity still 'exists' |
| 02:07.39 | Technobliterator | KOTOR needs a remake, anyway |
| 02:07.46 | Technobliterator | its combat mechanics are horrible |
| 02:08.07 | Technobliterator | Basically, you can't really make a WRPG that isn't an ARPG these days |
| 02:08.14 | Technobliterator | also, the menus are the worst |
| 02:08.18 | Technobliterator | urgh |
| 02:10.15 | Monet | Tactical RPGs have kind of been phased out |
| 02:10.26 | Technobliterator | I wouldn't say that |
| 02:10.28 | Technobliterator | XCOM is going strong |
| 02:11.22 | Monet | I think XCOM is more of a turn-based strategy or tactics than a turn-based RPG |
| 02:11.23 | DrodoEmpire | XCOM is <3 |
| 02:11.33 | dinolion92 | gtg bye! |
| 02:11.45 | DrodoEmpire | Bye! |
| 02:12.57 | Monet | Dragon Age is the closest to what KOTOR was. |
| 02:38.19 | Wormy_ | https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jan/18/patrick-stewart-poo-emoji-movie |
| 02:39.21 | Wormy_ | http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/galv5Il.gif |
| 02:40.56 | DrodoEmpire | I think advanced age is catching up to him |
| 02:40.57 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 02:41.16 | DrodoEmpire | I honestly cannot believe the Emoji Movie is a thing |
| 02:41.28 | DrodoEmpire | Its just, its just such a meme I refuse to believe its real |
| 02:41.37 | Wormy_ | No, he's clearly the God Emperor http://i.imgur.com/zmcFwzx.jpg |
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| 02:42.08 | DrodoEmpire | lul |
| 02:42.08 | Wormy_ | https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Patrick+Stewart+ancient&rlz=1C1ASUC_enGB569GB569&biw=1920&bih=950&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwig5rOal83RAhVkIcAKHdeqBPEQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=Q2q18smTIhwcFM%3A |
| 02:42.12 | DrodoEmpire | In all seriousness though he's aged really well |
| 02:42.46 | DrodoEmpire | lmao |
| 02:43.07 | Wormy_ | The Mystery of the Picard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcGT4p2IFkw |
| 02:50.22 | Wormy_ | Patrick Stewart as a French Guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGSruvebPH0 |
| 02:55.41 | Wormy_ | This device needs to appear in the SporeWikiverse somewhere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM-KpMeDqK4 |
| 03:05.08 | Monet | goodnight |
| 03:05.42 | DrodoEmpire | The laser thing? |
| 03:05.49 | DrodoEmpire | Ohh, shit |
| 03:05.50 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 03:05.54 | DrodoEmpire | What the hell? o. |
| 03:05.57 | DrodoEmpire | *o.O |
| 03:06.42 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe Timonax will stumble upon it <.< |
| 03:07.02 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 03:07.49 | DrodoEmpire | "For whatever reason, the Epirote was... attracted to the strange, tubed device. It had a primordial, almost supernatural quality-- it was a thing that transcended time, space, and even his own gods." |
| 03:08.24 | DrodoEmpire | "It was... The blinking tubes without function." |
| 03:08.26 | DrodoEmpire | >.> |
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| 03:28.08 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 03:28.10 | Charles_Murray | Hey |
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| 09:07.22 | Groxkiller98 | Hai. |
| 09:08.35 | Hachiman | Hello |
| 09:23.20 | Groxkiller98 | I'm thinking on working on my Essential... |
| 09:23.51 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ASpirit_of_Suluan |
| 09:40.52 | Groxkiller98 | Thoughts? |
| 09:42.41 | Liquid_Ink | Pretty cool |
| 09:44.15 | Groxkiller98 | Thanks. |
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| 09:46.20 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 09:46.24 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 09:47.19 | Groxkiller98 | How come the fiction stats page is gone? |
| 09:47.59 | Liquid_Ink | No clue |
| 09:48.15 | Groxkiller98 | *Shrug* |
| 09:48.16 | Liquid_Ink | Oh, that was aimed at Ghel wasn't it? |
| 09:48.28 | Groxkiller98 | Nah. General question. |
| 09:48.36 | Ghelae | http://spore.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=SporeWiki%3AFiction+Universe%2FImportant+Topics%2FStats&year=&month=-1 |
| 09:48.53 | Groxkiller98 | Ah. |
| 09:49.08 | Groxkiller98 | Shouldn't the fiction character thingy be updated then? |
| 09:49.30 | Ghelae | The infobox? Yeah, I don't know why that wasn't changed when there's no reference for how to fill in the parameters. |
| 09:50.05 | Groxkiller98 | I don't know how to update it. Though I removed the things from Aziri'Suluan's page. |
| 09:50.15 | Groxkiller98 | Aziri'Suluan is the Teyan word for 'Spirit of Suluan'. |
| 09:51.18 | Hachiman | Stats weren't very popular from what I know |
| 09:51.21 | Hachiman | So the page was removed |
| 09:52.11 | Groxkiller98 | That's fair enough. |
| 09:55.01 | Groxkiller98 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6hF3EaICxk - Good song |
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| 10:51.20 | Groxkiller98 | I'm back. |
| 11:21.20 | Groxkiller98 | Is anyone here good at making Power Armour designs? |
| 11:26.17 | Ghelae | Not me, sorry. |
| 11:26.29 | Groxkiller98 | :| |
| 11:26.33 | Groxkiller98 | I'm awful at it. |
| 11:29.34 | Groxkiller98 | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/35/Teyan_%28PanzerBattalion%29ArmedLarge.png/revision/latest?cb=20170118142125 - Dino made this. It's pretty nifty. |
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| 12:08.16 | Groxkiller98 | Hey, Monet. |
| 12:08.22 | Monet | hi |
| 12:10.17 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:11.47 | Groxkiller98 | Monet, do you know how to make Power Armour in Spore? >_> |
| 12:12.17 | Monet | Its mostly a matter of covering the model but i na stylish way |
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| 12:12.43 | Groxkiller98 | Well, yeah, I know that much. But I struggle with it. Especially with the legs. |
| 12:13.33 | Groxkiller98 | I had to give them all digitigrade legs for some reason, and now I suffer for it. |
| 12:13.39 | Monet | Well there's one trick I learned that can make parts look more set-in |
| 12:13.58 | Monet | As for armouring digitigrade legs...yeah I get your pain. |
| 12:15.09 | Groxkiller98 | I gotta go for now. I'll be back later. See you. |
| 13:51.48 | Monet | > Sees Les Miserables DVD ->Film shows prostitutes, has a song called "lovely ladies" that includes lines like "hoping for a quick one or a thick one in the park" -> One scene includes a prostitute bouncing up and down on a fake Santa -> rated 12 |
| 13:53.22 | Hachiman | kek |
| 14:06.00 | NeonPanda | one thing I will always love in Dark Souls: the Blue Sentinel covenant |
| 14:06.10 | NeonPanda | so many shitty invaders that can't fight for crap, the moment you show up they run away or die |
| 14:06.53 | Hachiman | hur |
| 14:10.06 | NeonPanda | also, mfw dramatic family reunion/boss battle ends in me spamming a knockdown attack literally preventing the AI from doing anything |
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| 16:00.24 | Monet | hello |
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| 16:55.05 | Cyrannian | Hello everyone |
| 16:55.20 | Vall | Hello! |
| 16:55.34 | Cyrannian | Val, it's great to see you back on the wiki! |
| 16:55.43 | Vall | :D |
| 16:55.59 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 16:56.04 | Vall | Good to see you are still here! |
| 16:56.09 | Vall | Hey! |
| 16:56.56 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Great_Cyrannus_War - I started this earlier in the month if you'd like to join! |
| 16:58.45 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 16:59.39 | Vall | How could I join? |
| 17:01.07 | Ghelae | By asking Cyr, and putting your fiction in the infobox. |
| 17:01.56 | Ghelae | As to the practical issue of writing fiction, we usually do that on titanpad (or similar websites) and provide the links on IRC for people to join in. |
| 17:02.18 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ald%C3%A1rae_Order - Dino and I are also working on this, which could relate to some of the plots we discussed back in the day |
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| 17:12.52 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:12.57 | Vall | I don't think I have fiction to join with, but if you are interested maybe I could be a writer for your fiction Cyrannian |
| 17:13.02 | Inquisitribble | Hello |
| 17:13.08 | Inquisitribble | oh, I forgot about setting up autojoin properly again |
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| 17:19.59 | Monet | Hehe |
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| 17:20.51 | Val_ | Sorry, did I miss something? |
| 17:21.07 | Ghelae | No, you didn't. |
| 17:21.23 | Val_ | Oh ok |
| 17:22.51 | Tek0516 | https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-57-species-rights.995302/ wow this Stellaris dev diary has a lot. |
| 17:23.46 | Cyrannian | Val_: Sorry for the delay in response, making tea for relatives. I'd certainly be interested in that! Sort of like the Captain of Space and War? |
| 17:25.15 | Inquisitribble | Tek0516: oh wow |
| 17:26.16 | Val_ | Yeah! That would suit me better, or if you want me to expand on a certain story arc |
| 17:26.47 | Val_ | So that you could be focused more on other stories |
| 17:26.52 | Tek0516 | Inquisitribble: Between factions and these law changes I think this will be the patch where the game really starta to get uts internal depth |
| 17:27.30 | Inquisitribble | I haven't seen the factions stuff because I haven't really been following the dev diaries, but this stuff here is huge |
| 17:27.43 | Cyrannian | Val_: That would be awesome, did you have anything in particular in mind? Or the type of story arc that you'd be particularly interested in expanding? |
| 17:30.27 | Val_ | I can expand whatever you want me to :) |
| 17:31.09 | Val_ | Honestly I wouldn't know what to choose |
| 17:31.15 | Val_ | Lol |
| 17:31.25 | NeonPanda | Tek0516: Consumer goods might also curtail the runaway on blob empires |
| 17:31.35 | NeonPanda | I might be able to play a tall science enclave once again |
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| 17:31.58 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 17:33.11 | Tek0516 | NeonPanda: Yeah, something to restrain the snowball would be interesting |
| 17:34.32 | NeonPanda | I mean playing a big meaty expansionist empire can be fun, but at the same time a lot of the time I find myself wanting to just live in my corner of the galaxy, tech through the roof and whip slaves |
| 17:34.42 | Inquisitribble | lol |
| 17:37.04 | NeonPanda | of course what would also be fun is being a tall techy empire hiding behind the big meaty shield of an expansionist empire |
| 17:37.30 | Tek0516 | But even the expansionist route shouldn't just make the galaxy a pushover after you get moderately sized. |
| 17:37.56 | NeonPanda | ^ |
| 17:38.18 | NeonPanda | like there's a certain point with the blob that there isn't really anything that can threaten you short of late-game crises |
| 17:40.20 | Tek0516 | And also the Awakened FE too. I should really try and continue my last game where I got stuck under one. |
| 17:42.23 | NeonPanda | I count those under late-game crises, for clarity |
| 17:42.39 | NeonPanda | basically mechanics meant to prolong the game beyond "I rule the universe and we're just counting rice" |
| 17:43.23 | Tek0516 | Ah |
| 17:45.47 | Inquisitribble | NeonPanda: I'm reminded of this now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJKTDz1zYzs |
| 17:46.08 | NeonPanda | I watched exactly that video and agreed with everything |
| 17:46.37 | Inquisitribble | yeah |
| 17:46.58 | NeonPanda | although my experience has been most strategy players are more than willing to start afresh once the rice counting starts, so how much it's a practical issue is debatable |
| 17:47.08 | NeonPanda | of course, variety in win condition is always an option |
| 17:48.02 | Inquisitribble | right |
| 17:48.13 | NeonPanda | like I always set Total War: Shogun 2 to 40 province victory, because I usually just reach my peak before that point so I don't really plateau out |
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| 18:22.13 | Spacer176 | back |
| 18:26.19 | Monet | Tis quiet tonight |
| 18:28.21 | Inquisitribble | wb |
| 18:28.53 | Cyrannian | danke |
| 18:31.50 | NeonPanda | Monet: you missed a short stellaris discussion about half an hour ago but otherwise yeah |
| 18:32.06 | Monet | I read the recent updates to 1.5 so shame |
| 18:33.13 | NeonPanda | don't see how that's shameful but ok |
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| 18:33.54 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
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| 18:34.42 | Monet | A shame because I missed it |
| 18:35.39 | Groxkiller98 | What I miss? |
| 18:37.38 | NeonPanda | a convo about stellaris |
| 18:38.04 | Groxkiller98 | Ah. Kk |
| 18:38.24 | Imperios | Heya! |
| 18:39.26 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 18:40.31 | Imperios | Hm, guys. If I use the term "irredentism" in a SporeWiki article, should I provide a link to Wikipedia to explain the meaning of this worD? |
| 18:40.38 | Imperios | Or is it common enough for me not to use it |
| 18:41.49 | Groxkiller98 | What the heck is that? |
| 18:42.00 | Monet | I believe that's your answer Impy. |
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| 18:43.25 | drom | Tek0516 Inquisitribble: I was tasked to make a recursive method for calculating Pascal's triangle. This was what I brought up. http://i.imgur.com/Vi2hcTL.png |
| 18:44.07 | drom | For reference I've zero knowledge about the triangle and I studied a diagram of the triangle itself to get an idea how to implement it. |
| 18:45.17 | Inquisitribble | interesting |
| 18:46.39 | Inquisitribble | I actually didn't know that you could use initializer lists like that |
| 18:46.49 | drom | It is Java |
| 18:46.59 | drom | But C++ should have it too |
| 18:47.08 | Inquisitribble | oh, I actually didn't know that Java had those |
| 18:47.10 | Inquisitribble | lol |
| 18:47.26 | drom | C++ does not provide .length for arrays |
| 18:47.38 | Inquisitribble | yeah |
| 18:47.49 | drom | You need sizeof(<array>)/sizeof(<type used for array>) |
| 18:47.53 | Inquisitribble | yeah |
| 18:48.12 | Inquisitribble | For some reason I thought it wasn't Java lol |
| 18:48.18 | Inquisitribble | but you're right |
| 18:48.25 | drom | I don't blame you. Java is a bastardization of C |
| 18:48.35 | Inquisitribble | So, that's probably indicative of how much I've used Java |
| 18:48.55 | drom | I am using it just because it is part of my computer engineering course |
| 18:49.11 | drom | I can't wait to start using more interesting languages like C++ and Ada. |
| 18:49.39 | drom | Well, I am already using C++. But not for my university work |
| 18:49.40 | Inquisitribble | Java seems nice to me since it has a lot of cool features like garbage collection, and also has a lot of OO stuff baked into it |
| 18:49.48 | drom | C# has it too |
| 18:49.55 | Inquisitribble | yeah |
| 18:49.58 | drom | In fact, C# is much better than Java imo |
| 18:49.58 | Inquisitribble | they're similar |
| 18:50.19 | drom | And you can use LINQ for any collection in C#, as opposed to Java |
| 18:50.26 | drom | Java's collections are so, UGH |
| 18:50.36 | Inquisitribble | Collections? |
| 18:50.44 | drom | List, Map, Dictionary, Array |
| 18:50.50 | Inquisitribble | ah |
| 18:50.59 | drom | Basically anything that can hold instances of objects |
| 18:51.39 | drom | To get my point across, you can use "List<Object>" in Java, but you can't initialize it |
| 18:51.59 | Inquisitribble | right |
| 18:52.02 | drom | Instead, List is an interface (or an abstract class?) |
| 18:52.18 | drom | So you need to initialize e.g. ArrayList to be able to use it |
| 18:52.38 | drom | Like "List<Object> = new ArrayList<Object>();" |
| 18:52.43 | drom | It is cumbersome |
| 18:53.05 | drom | I forgot to declare the variable name |
| 18:53.12 | Inquisitribble | hmm |
| 18:53.13 | drom | But you should get the point |
| 18:53.37 | Inquisitribble | Considering that you have an instance of List, I don't think it can be an abstract class |
| 18:54.14 | drom | It is an instance of List. But you need to initialize an other class that implements/extends List |
| 18:54.20 | drom | I hate that |
| 18:54.24 | Inquisitribble | Right, so it's an interface |
| 18:54.46 | Inquisitribble | I think Java's threads are like that too |
| 18:55.07 | drom | See https://assets.toggl.com/images/toggl-how-to-save-the-princess-in-8-programming-languages.jpg |
| 18:55.26 | drom | It causes confusion |
| 18:55.59 | Inquisitribble | lol |
| 18:56.38 | Inquisitribble | Lisp: <gigantic pile of parenthesis> |
| 18:56.43 | Inquisitribble | seems about right |
| 19:00.20 | Inquisitribble | I actually can't stand Lisp-derived languages |
| 19:00.26 | Inquisitribble | because they're so incredibly ugly |
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| 19:01.55 | dino82_ | hi |
| 19:02.01 | Monet | hi |
| 19:02.53 | Cyrannian | Hello dino! |
| 19:03.52 | dino82_ | hi |
| 19:03.53 | Imperios | Groxkiller98: Irredentism = this land is ours by right and we should take it back |
| 19:04.02 | Cyrannian | Finished playing your Noldágorel adventure, very impressive, particularly the temple and the hidden hangar bay |
| 19:04.17 | Groxkiller98 | Ah. |
| 19:04.22 | Groxkiller98 | Hey, Dino. |
| 19:04.24 | Imperios | The idea that there is some land that needs to be taken back |
| 19:04.27 | Groxkiller98 | I like the models you made. |
| 19:04.51 | Imperios | Russians had irredentist ideas about Crimea, for example |
| 19:05.13 | Imperios | Now that these ideas were fulfilled it is Ukrainians who have irredentist ideas |
| 19:05.41 | drom | Oh no, he left |
| 19:05.44 | drom | Damnit |
| 19:06.28 | dino82_ | @Cyrannian: THanks :D |
| 19:07.43 | NeonPanda | Imperios: so basically another way of saying DEUS VULT |
| 19:07.53 | Imperios | NeonPanda: Essentially |
| 19:08.01 | Imperios | DEUS VULT, WE WILL TAKE [insert place name here] |
| 19:10.38 | Cyrannian | dino82_: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/dc/Rene%C3%A9Valentae.png/revision/latest?cb=20170119191019 - Apollo's press secretary |
| 19:11.02 | dino82_ | Oh! |
| 19:11.11 | dino82_ | She looks....................intriguing and appealing :P |
| 19:11.52 | dino82_ | dont let mortikran encoutner her :P |
| 19:12.01 | Cyrannian | lol |
| 19:12.22 | Imperios | Cyrannian: Javina - <3 |
| 19:14.14 | Cyrannian | Tried my best to create a space pantsuit hur |
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| 19:15.45 | dino82_ | naice |
| 19:15.57 | dino82_ | so she ensures apollo's propagando reaches everyone :P |
| 19:16.39 | Cyrannian | aye |
| 19:16.42 | Cyrannian | ~tickle OluapPlayer |
| 19:16.42 | infobot | ACTION jumps on OluapPlayer, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 19:17.06 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 19:18.08 | dino82_ | ~drodo |
| 19:18.14 | dino82_ | hmm not working |
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| 19:20.30 | Dillonator407 | hi |
| 19:20.54 | dino82_ | hi |
| 19:21.41 | Dillonator407 | what have you been up to? |
| 19:22.30 | dino82_ | not much, just got home from 12 hour work day |
| 19:22.42 | dino82_ | now looking at my to do list for spore and realising it just got bigger :D |
| 19:23.48 | Dillonator407 | ah i see |
| 19:24.15 | Dillonator407 | what stuff is on your spore to do list? |
| 19:29.49 | dino82_ | fnish page nolgoradel, make SGCW story, dutch admiral page and updates for fleet, create findulia page. |
| 19:29.52 | dino82_ | etc |
| 19:31.26 | Dillonator407 | thats quite a few things |
| 19:31.59 | Dillonator407 | my spore to do list consists of "finish Audal history page" and "makre more stuff" right now |
| 19:35.26 | Groxkiller98 | I need to make a model for the Spirit of Suluan. But I'm crap at effects and such. |
| 19:35.56 | dino82_ | :D |
| 19:36.06 | dino82_ | also quite something on the list to do it seems :D |
| 19:36.09 | dino82_ | good for the wikia! |
| 19:36.14 | dino82_ | New content and story possibilities |
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| 19:37.55 | Zillafire101 | Hello all. |
| 19:37.58 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 19:38.03 | Dillonator407 | hello |
| 19:42.11 | Monet | Hello |
| 19:42.31 | drom | Hello |
| 19:44.17 | Cyrannian | http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/spore-ea-give-another-shot - The Fiction Universe got a mention in this article |
| 19:45.12 | OluapPlayer | We somehow missed that for nearly half a year |
| 19:45.27 | Imperios | I linked it actually |
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| 19:46.47 | Cyrannian | "It still has an audience in 2016. EA would be crazy not to seriously consider taking a look at that audience." audience - omg fuk off ea |
| 19:47.02 | OluapPlayer | day one pirate |
| 19:47.50 | Dillonator407 | oh it did link the fiction universe interesting |
| 19:48.41 | Monet | We got a brief mention. |
| 19:49.52 | Monet | Although saying "EA would be Crazy not to consider taking a look" ehhh there are possibilities but we're no Mass Effect or TOR. |
| 19:50.00 | dino82_ | whoot whoot long live the SporeWiki1 |
| 19:50.14 | Dillonator407 | true |
| 19:50.26 | dino82_ | still, there are still many who make new creations outside the SporeWiki as well (DarkEdge TV etc) |
| 19:50.44 | Monet | It would be nice for EA to pick up the franchise and give it justice (which means hands off publishers!) but it's a matter of the size of audience they can muster. |
| 19:50.45 | OluapPlayer | Last time they tried to work with Spore, Darkspore happened |
| 19:50.56 | OluapPlayer | About 5 people ever played that game |
| 19:51.13 | Monet | "When you promised the universe, expect disappointment" |
| 19:51.46 | OluapPlayer | I wonder what Will Wright is doing nowadays, he's not been heard of since he left Maxis |
| 19:52.24 | Cyrannian | According to Twitter, he hasn't existed since May 2015 |
| 19:52.50 | Monet | And that was when a new company was founded |
| 19:53.09 | NeonPanda | According to Twitter I don't exist :P |
| 19:53.33 | OluapPlayer | According to me you don't exist either |
| 19:53.36 | OluapPlayer | ur just a figment of our imagination |
| 19:53.54 | Dillonator407 | do i exist? |
| 19:54.34 | Monet | Although a guy like Will Wright isn't the sort to go "I know I'll try Spore again" |
| 19:55.52 | Monet | He's more the sort that will look at Spore as a concept then plot out how to advance the idea it tried to sell. Then work out how he can build on what he's seen of No Man's Sky. |
| 19:56.29 | Dillonator407 | really? |
| 19:57.14 | Monet | Reading this May polygon article I think he's moved on form Spore |
| 19:58.13 | Monet | His company's idea - Thred - tried to gameify the social media phenomenon. |
| 19:58.35 | Imperios | Cyrannian: EA kidnapped him, put him in a coma and uses his nightmares to invent new game concepts |
| 19:58.55 | Monet | I don't have a master plan for my life in terms of 'I will not do games' or 'I will do this,'" he says. "My interest kind of drives me in different directions. |
| 19:58.55 | Monet | "I think the most interesting thing I see happening right now â I don't know if in the world, but just in technology â has been how powerful and personal and networked these things have become so rapidly," he says, referring to his phone again. > This is from that interview |
| 19:58.57 | Groxkiller98 | Hm... Me and my uncle are working on making games. Maybe (if we have a couple hundred years) we could pull something off like Spore... |
| 19:59.04 | Cyrannian | Imperios: It's funny because it's plausible. |
| 19:59.48 | Monet | Basically Will's what could be called a nomadic creative. His direction is ruled by what inspires him at a particular moment in time. |
| 19:59.49 | ZF101 | So Will is the God-Emperor to the corrupt, nightmarish EA's High Lords of Terra in a sense. |
| 20:01.35 | Imperios | ZF101: It was actually a Star Wars reference |
| 20:01.40 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 20:03.34 | Monet | A Spore sequel would require risk. A lot of it. |
| 20:03.48 | Dillonator407 | true |
| 20:04.04 | OluapPlayer | Or they could just make the same thing but with prettier graphics and profit out of all the desperate people who wanted Spore to be like the trailers |
| 20:04.10 | OluapPlayer | It works the The Sims |
| 20:04.18 | OluapPlayer | for* |
| 20:04.25 | Groxkiller98 | It doesn't need to be a sequel, per say. It could be a spiritual successor. |
| 20:04.49 | ZF101 | They'd pimp out DLC up the arse. |
| 20:05.05 | Dillonator407 | good point |
| 20:05.10 | OluapPlayer | I'm surprised Spore didn't get more DLC than it did |
| 20:05.11 | Groxkiller98 | Eh. It means updates. |
| 20:05.21 | ZF101 | "$300 for the space stage! Buy it now to get the full experience!" |
| 20:05.21 | Groxkiller98 | DLC is a good thing, when done right. |
| 20:05.24 | Monet | Spore has sold roughly 2.2 million. |
| 20:05.26 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 20:05.32 | Monet | In its first three weeks |
| 20:05.53 | ZF101 | Well, yeah, look at Warhammer Total War. Great game, better with Beastmen, Chaos and Wood Elves. |
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| 20:06.04 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 20:06.10 | ZF101 | Hello. |
| 20:06.20 | OluapPlayer | The DLC train has no brakes even though it really should |
| 20:06.24 | ZF101 | You just have to make sure your game can still stand on it's own without DLC. |
| 20:06.25 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 20:06.28 | Dillonator407 | hi |
| 20:06.32 | Groxkiller98 | Indeed. |
| 20:06.46 | Monet | This is what I mean by risky |
| 20:06.52 | Dillonator407 | yes |
| 20:06.53 | dino82_ | Hi Drodo! |
| 20:07.03 | Groxkiller98 | Hey, maybe a kickstarter could be put together for something like a second Spore? |
| 20:07.19 | Dillonator407 | DLC should be interesting things that add to the game, not stuff that should have been there to begin with essentially |
| 20:07.21 | OluapPlayer | All I know is I'm not paying a cent for an EA game ever again |
| 20:07.34 | Monet | Any attempt to invigorate a Spore 2 development will immediately be met with "last one only sold 2.2 million copies" and the huge numbers of pirated copies. |
| 20:07.50 | Dillonator407 | people always say that but always end up doing it |
| 20:08.08 | ZF101 | Well, I'm with Oluap. |
| 20:08.19 | ZF101 | After the butthurt Battlefront gave me, I'm done. |
| 20:08.57 | OluapPlayer | Yeah well I'm not one of your people |
| 20:09.06 | Monet | I'm trying to stay positive but in EA's eyes Spore was a failure. It wasn't profitable, it didn't sell, and it's forever marked with controversy. |
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| 20:09.12 | OluapPlayer | I have little money to begin with, I won't throw it away at devs who don't deserve it |
| 20:09.14 | Dillonator407 | i'lll believe you |
| 20:09.19 | Xho | ohai |
| 20:09.26 | Monet | Hi |
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| 20:09.54 | Xho | tfw Valader is editing again |
| 20:10.03 | Xho | CAN I NOT DO THINGS TO HIS FICTION |
| 20:10.13 | OluapPlayer | Ask him |
| 20:10.21 | Dillonator407 | i got spore because of the creature creator demo i got in a newspaper, so i missed all the actual trailers and stuff for it |
| 20:10.23 | drom | Valader |
| 20:10.30 | ZF102 | That name rings a bell. |
| 20:10.41 | Xho | No point really, I'm not in a rush to do anything |
| 20:10.41 | Xho | ever |
| 20:10.43 | drom | That sounds so familiar to the name of a person shunned by an other community. |
| 20:10.45 | Xho | as is apparent |
| 20:10.51 | drom | Which is "Valder" |
| 20:10.55 | DrodoEmpire | Dillonator407: Best way to be introduced probably |
| 20:11.09 | OluapPlayer | Yes, you didn't get hyped and then got your hopes crushed like the rest of us |
| 20:11.21 | Dillonator407 | true |
| 20:11.24 | Groxkiller98 | If Spore ever gets a sequel, it better be in spirit and not name. EA otherwise is involved. |
| 20:11.31 | Dillonator407 | i was just happy making the most impractical creatures ever |
| 20:11.34 | drom | OluapPlayer Xho: MushroomKing |
| 20:11.36 | drom | *winks* |
| 20:11.39 | Xho | eat shit |
| 20:11.45 | OluapPlayer | ? |
| 20:11.47 | ZF102 | Fall off your horse. |
| 20:12.08 | ZF102 | Heh. No one would get that refrence. |
| 20:12.23 | Dillonator407 | i vaguelt remember there being some game supposd to be a kind of version of whjat spore could have been like. then again, i heard that years ago so it probbaly failed or something |
| 20:12.30 | drom | Unfortunately, I don't. ZF102 |
| 20:12.47 | DrodoEmpire | Spore was to be a lot more complex and I guess 'mature' originally |
| 20:12.52 | DrodoEmpire | That vision was scaled back apparently |
| 20:12.54 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 20:12.58 | OluapPlayer | Yes exactly |
| 20:13.13 | DrodoEmpire | And then everybody got CUCKED like with NMS <.< |
| 20:13.18 | OluapPlayer | It was heavily simplified and censored |
| 20:13.27 | OluapPlayer | Buzzwords fuk off |
| 20:13.28 | Dillonator407 | yes i see |
| 20:13.32 | DrodoEmpire | More like |
| 20:13.33 | DrodoEmpire | cuckwords |
| 20:13.38 | OluapPlayer | Seriously stop |
| 20:13.39 | DrodoEmpire | (': |
| 20:13.44 | Dillonator407 | there is a reason i wait for reviews before buying games |
| 20:13.50 | Xho | What exactly is a cuck anyway |
| 20:13.56 | Xho | Apart from a buzzword |
| 20:13.59 | DrodoEmpire | A husband to an unfaithful wife |
| 20:14.00 | OluapPlayer | Don't start with this |
| 20:14.01 | ZF102 | drom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_am0_iYSvs |
| 20:14.12 | Imperios | I like the Russian term more |
| 20:14.16 | DrodoEmpire | Basically a way to call someone weak or effeminate |
| 20:14.21 | ZF102 | Cluck I believe is something a chicken says. |
| 20:14.25 | DrodoEmpire | Cowardly :p |
| 20:14.37 | Imperios | We call them "aleni", which means "deer" |
| 20:14.41 | Xho | Well |
| 20:14.44 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 20:14.58 | Xho | That's not how I'd insult someone but okay |
| 20:15.05 | DrodoEmpire | Its dumb yeah |
| 20:15.14 | Imperios | That's a slang word for Alliance players in WoW |
| 20:15.17 | Imperios | As well |
| 20:16.14 | Xho | Cyrannian: You got time to continue with that thing |
| 20:16.18 | Monet | A smart developer would look at what's thriving about Spore right now - the forum and the fiction universe. |
| 20:16.41 | OluapPlayer | More like the only things left |
| 20:16.45 | Xho | kek |
| 20:16.47 | DrodoEmpire | Thriving in the relative term yeah |
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| 20:16.56 | Wormy_semi_here | Hello |
| 20:17.03 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 20:17.06 | Xho | Still a game on the Fictionverse/Fantasyverse would be 1) good 2) but expensive |
| 20:17.08 | Groxkiller98 | Alliance pigs! :P |
| 20:17.12 | drom | Stop reminding me about the one long dead idea I had since few years ago. Monet. |
| 20:17.16 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 20:17.28 | Groxkiller98 | I like the idea of a fictionverse game. |
| 20:17.40 | Dillonator407 | hi |
| 20:17.49 | OluapPlayer | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/qHPsVnD.jpg |
| 20:17.52 | Dillonator407 | what kind of game would it be? |
| 20:17.54 | Monet | Darkspore looks like it was trying to be Diablo. As I can imagine EA noticed the supersonic hype train for Diablo III. |
| 20:17.56 | DrodoEmpire | Could be anything |
| 20:18.01 | Xho | OluapPlayer: keko |
| 20:18.06 | Groxkiller98 | Maybe a FPS game where you make a hero and then kit them out in a GA-style manner. |
| 20:18.08 | drom | I tried to program a DF-style empire manager with inspiration from Aurora 4X |
| 20:18.10 | OluapPlayer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD42lnUTFfY relevant |
| 20:18.14 | Groxkiller98 | Kek |
| 20:18.16 | DrodoEmpire | I've tried making a Grand Strategy around it, which is certainly possible |
| 20:18.22 | DrodoEmpire | Even something like CKII |
| 20:18.37 | DrodoEmpire | Or a complete overhaul to Total War: Warhammer |
| 20:18.40 | Xho | El Grando Smokio |
| 20:18.43 | Dillonator407 | there'd be a billion factions |
| 20:18.45 | Imperios | Groxkiller98: You gotta admit that "Alliance deer" is a more interesting insult |
| 20:18.46 | Xho | I might have to rename myself on Twitter |
| 20:18.47 | DrodoEmpire | Could be an RPG |
| 20:18.58 | Groxkiller98 | Alliance dog works well for worgen. |
| 20:19.04 | Dillonator407 | it could be lots of thing |
| 20:19.10 | Groxkiller98 | Deer makes no sense to me. |
| 20:19.10 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:19.23 | DrodoEmpire | Well |
| 20:19.29 | ZF102 | Aleni just sounds like a barbarian tribe to me. |
| 20:19.30 | DrodoEmpire | Deer *are* skittish and thin |
| 20:19.37 | DrodoEmpire | And yeah I thought of the Alans too |
| 20:19.37 | Monet | And plentiful in Elwynn |
| 20:19.41 | drom | Orcs vegetables, becuase they are range from green to red? |
| 20:19.49 | OluapPlayer | The Alliance isn't associated with deers though |
| 20:19.55 | OluapPlayer | They're associated with lions and gryphons |
| 20:20.12 | Monet | Yeah but loins and gryphons aren't animals to mock. |
| 20:20.16 | Monet | lions* |
| 20:20.18 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 20:20.22 | OluapPlayer | Exactly |
| 20:20.27 | Groxkiller98 | Loins aren't animals! |
| 20:20.38 | Groxkiller98 | But that's why we have dog and pig. Worgen and... humans? |
| 20:21.04 | Groxkiller98 | The Alliance get to call tauren cows, we get two insults in return. |
| 20:21.18 | Dillonator407 | gtg |
| 20:21.22 | Groxkiller98 | Though as a tauren main, I do get annoyed when other Hordies refer to me as steak. |
| 20:21.28 | dino82_ | For the Alliance! |
| 20:21.33 | OluapPlayer | I don't pvp so my only name for Horde players is "NPC" |
| 20:21.39 | Monet | Groxkiller98: Moo |
| 20:21.49 | Imperios | The common slur for Horde players is "Urki" |
| 20:21.59 | Monet | OluapPLayer: It can come up quite often in trade and general chat |
| 20:22.07 | Groxkiller98 | *Stabs Monet to death.* |
| 20:22.08 | OluapPlayer | I don't frequent either |
| 20:22.08 | Imperios | It comes from Russian jail jargon and refers to prisoners and/or criminals |
| 20:22.57 | OluapPlayer | Hold on I got a relevant video for this |
| 20:23.04 | drom | Groxkiller98. In that case then. http://media.blizzard.com/wow/media/comics/comic-2006-05-holymcsmite-winner-large.jpg |
| 20:23.18 | Groxkiller98 | T_T |
| 20:23.18 | OluapPlayer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjj4aBUcS8 here we go |
| 20:23.41 | Groxkiller98 | *Slams Drom in the face with a Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker.* |
| 20:23.48 | Imperios | Oh yes Sylvanass |
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| 20:25.41 | drom | Wormy_semi_here: Do you got some spare minute to help me with comprehending this snippet? |
| 20:26.07 | Wormy_semi_here | Alright |
| 20:26.14 | drom | "Write a program SumMain, that includes a recursive method computing the sum of the integers 1, 2, 3, ..., N. The computation should be based on the following principle: the sum of the integers from 1 to N is equal to the sum of the integers from 1 to N/2 added with the sum of the integers from N/2+1 to N. |
| 20:26.15 | drom | Is this a good solution strategy? Motivate your answer!" |
| 20:26.18 | dino82_ | @Imperios: Sylvanas? |
| 20:26.28 | Imperios | Indeed her |
| 20:26.29 | dino82_ | Liek in Windrunner undead good looking Sylvanas? |
| 20:26.46 | Imperios | Yes |
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| 20:26.52 | OluapPlayer | hopefully dies next couple of raids COUGH COUGH |
| 20:27.04 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Too many fanboys, won't happen I fear |
| 20:27.22 | OluapPlayer | a dwarf can dream |
| 20:27.49 | Wormy_semi_here | drom: So you've been given *a* solution, and you are asked if its a good one? |
| 20:28.03 | NeonPanda | I made the sorry mistake of saying "fuck sylvanas" once when I was trialling WoW |
| 20:28.10 | Wormy_semi_here | Rather than writing your own solution |
| 20:28.13 | NeonPanda | I was met with a chorus of "I would if I could" |
| 20:28.19 | OluapPlayer | kek |
| 20:28.21 | Monet | Lol |
| 20:28.24 | DrodoEmpire | lul |
| 20:29.29 | Groxkiller98 | Eww. |
| 20:29.46 | drom | Wormy_semi_here: I really don't understand the point of the 1 to N/2 + (N/2+1) to N |
| 20:29.52 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.13 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 20:30.19 | Wormy_semi_here | drom: Sorry mate, I'm not sure I understand why its needed either to sum integers to N |
| 20:30.25 | drom | It is the same fucking thing as 1 to N, except you write a version of the solution that takes two variables, one for the lower (1) and the other for upper (N) |
| 20:30.26 | OluapPlayer | You don't need to go to Goldshire to meet fanboys |
| 20:30.32 | Groxkiller98 | *Walks into Goldshire* *Runs away* |
| 20:30.43 | NeonPanda | the closest I've ever come to Goldshire was this one bar in an RP server in ArcheAge, though supposedly it was run by hospitality majors practicing people skills |
| 20:31.07 | Wormy_semi_here | drom: Maybe it works by backtracking? |
| 20:31.09 | Groxkiller98 | >_> |
| 20:31.31 | Wormy_semi_here | drom: so that you are counting both up and down |
| 20:31.33 | Monet | Although in my experience you could also call it Duelshire |
| 20:31.35 | OluapPlayer | Actually, the few times I passed by Goldshire, the place was pretty empty. People only show up there en masse during holiday events |
| 20:31.41 | OluapPlayer | Granted I play on a PvE server |
| 20:31.58 | NeonPanda | it wasn't exactly inappropriate, but given the choices were: midget guy, midget girl, cat guy, and cat girl, there was a disproportionate number of catgirls |
| 20:32.07 | Wormy_semi_here | Seems to be some kind of binary recursive operation anyway |
| 20:32.09 | NeonPanda | as in to say, they were all catgirls... even the guys... |
| 20:32.12 | drom | Wormy_semi_here. Funny because it won't work if you don't round the product of anything that naturally cannot be divided by 2. It won't be the same |
| 20:32.56 | Groxkiller98 | Goldshire on AD EU or Moonguard US - It's the worst thing ever imaginable. |
| 20:33.10 | drom | The assignment paper in question http://homepage.lnu.se/staff/jlnmsi/java2/2017/lab1.html |
| 20:33.35 | Monet | Groxkiller: I've had experience with AD Goldshire |
| 20:33.38 | Monet | NEVER AGAIN |
| 20:34.21 | OluapPlayer | The thought of roleplaying in WoW weirds me out |
| 20:34.22 | Groxkiller98 | So have I. It's awful. |
| 20:34.24 | drom | Huh... AD Goldshire? |
| 20:34.29 | Groxkiller98 | Argent Dawn. |
| 20:34.33 | OluapPlayer | which is strange considering I roleplay here |
| 20:34.40 | OluapPlayer | but it still does and I'll never do it |
| 20:34.47 | Groxkiller98 | WoW RP is clunky. |
| 20:34.56 | Groxkiller98 | Not awful, but clunky. |
| 20:35.01 | dino82_ | @Imperios: She great, love Sylvanas for her actions.! Like a true troubled Elf :D |
| 20:35.04 | drom | Roleplay is clunky is it is not text-based only |
| 20:35.07 | NeonPanda | I recall a solid piece of roleplaying advice I got when I started with TRPGs: roleplaying relationships is fine. Roleplaying flirting gets iffy. Roleplaying anything more is NO. |
| 20:35.09 | Monet | OluapPlayer: It sounds like the stranger factor |
| 20:35.23 | OluapPlayer | Actually I know why. There's a big difference between being among a group of friends and a whole server of strangers |
| 20:35.31 | drom | Wormy_semi_here: I guess I'll go ask my lecturer about it then |
| 20:35.35 | OluapPlayer | You ninjad me for my reason |
| 20:35.51 | NeonPanda | OluapPlayer: You think that's bad, ever been on a minecraft RP server run by a devout christian? I have. |
| 20:36.03 | OluapPlayer | I don't play Minecraft so no |
| 20:36.04 | DrodoEmpire | NeonPanda: Three words-- ERP on HL2RP |
| 20:36.19 | dino82_ | The Empire returns to the Rambo Capital: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Great_Cyrannus_War/Opening_Stages#Battle_of_the_Mou.27Cyran_Remnants |
| 20:36.23 | Wormy_semi_here | Yeah that'd be best |
| 20:36.24 | drom | WOHOO! ERP! |
| 20:36.30 | DrodoEmpire | You'll want to die more than you usually want to when playing HL2RP <.< |
| 20:36.46 | NeonPanda | DrodoEmpire: as far as I'm concerned, ERP is something that should only happen between consenting adults behind closed doors, and not where there's a chat log |
| 20:36.49 | OluapPlayer | For a moment I thought that pic was the Rambo Capital exploding |
| 20:37.11 | Monet | Stay out of Goldshire and try the taverns in Stormwind. |
| 20:37.20 | OluapPlayer | DrodoEmpire: All I can imagine is two Metrocops repeatedly crouching in front of each other while holding crowbars |
| 20:37.23 | NeonPanda | but yeah I played on this one MCRP server, 'demons' appeared in my house because I built it underground and didn't have a window facing the morning sun to let "God's light" through |
| 20:37.23 | Groxkiller98 | I used to be friends with an ERP. I lost contact them with them now, but they were surprisingly nice. |
| 20:37.26 | Groxkiller98 | ERPer* |
| 20:37.27 | DrodoEmpire | Oluap: olol |
| 20:38.04 | NeonPanda | if we define ERP as sex being involved in RP, technically speaking I used to be one, however if we define it as actually roleplaying out sex acts then fuuuuuck no |
| 20:38.05 | drom | All this ERP talk makes me want to highlight a cursed dark pearl. |
| 20:38.23 | dino82_ | @Oluap: Oh no, I was not thinking of doing that |
| 20:38.24 | Monet | I used to be similar when it came to RP. I could be quite hesitant sometimes. |
| 20:38.26 | dino82_ | (yet) |
| 20:38.38 | Imperios | drom: Cursed dark pearl? |
| 20:38.46 | OluapPlayer | dino82_: hooo boy |
| 20:38.53 | Wormy_semi_here | drom: I think doing the recursion this way makes a way to cut corners without counting every integer up by 1 http://www.wikihow.com/Sum-the-Integers-from-1-to-N |
| 20:38.57 | NeonPanda | like you can't really play Cyberpunk2020 without at least one or two fades to black, otherwise you're not doing it right |
| 20:39.14 | drom | Wormy_semi_here: Yeah, I am already doing it |
| 20:39.21 | Groxkiller98 | I actually write things for money. It's almost depressing how much porn I get asked to write... |
| 20:39.39 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow |
| 20:39.49 | drom | Wormy_semi_here: http://i.imgur.com/PbRprTR.png |
| 20:39.49 | Monet | Then again I loed drama class back in school. |
| 20:39.51 | NeonPanda | eh, whatever pays the bills |
| 20:39.52 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah. I reject it 99% of the time. |
| 20:40.02 | dino82_ | @oluap: :P |
| 20:40.03 | Groxkiller98 | I |
| 20:40.06 | OluapPlayer | and write nasty worgen knot fiction in that 1% |
| 20:40.07 | drom | I know a few who write smuts for both money and fun |
| 20:40.11 | Groxkiller98 | I only take it if I really need the cash. |
| 20:40.11 | DrodoEmpire | NeonPanda: Yeah doing that is fine, its when it gets to "/me sucks a fat dick" I start to say nah |
| 20:40.15 | Monet | loved drama class sorry |
| 20:40.20 | DrodoEmpire | Drama is cool yeah |
| 20:40.21 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 20:40.28 | Wormy_semi_here | drom: Right but the question seems to be asking "Is this a good solution strategy" |
| 20:40.30 | NeonPanda | I have a friend who draws a LOT of porn because it pays really, really well in comparison to everything else they do |
| 20:40.35 | drom | Imperios: Ever heard of Space Station 13? Lots of Russians play it |
| 20:40.41 | Groxkiller98 | >_> |
| 20:40.43 | DrodoEmpire | Fair enough |
| 20:40.51 | Groxkiller98 | Maybe I'm in the wrong market. |
| 20:41.06 | Wormy_semi_here | You'll need to explain why its a good one |
| 20:41.23 | drom | "It is good because it is recursive - it saves time" |
| 20:41.39 | Wormy_semi_here | But what's the reason? |
| 20:41.50 | Groxkiller98 | Who? |
| 20:41.58 | Cyrannian | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/b/b9/PresidentApolloOffice.png/revision/latest?cb=20170119204147 - c waptor oval office |
| 20:42.14 | NeonPanda | Cyrannian: apply waptorbomb |
| 20:42.19 | Wormy_semi_here | Explain how the recursion is getting the answer - unfortunately I find this stuff incredibly difficult so won't easily find the answer, but this is my suggestion |
| 20:42.28 | Groxkiller98 | Could someone make a picture of a Mithadorn city for me? |
| 20:42.29 | drom | Fair enough |
| 20:42.42 | Wormy_semi_here | It might be backtracking, not sure |
| 20:43.14 | drom | Imperios: Okay, here is the real deal. It is a Space Station 13 server. It has no rules. It has mechanics for intercourse. Go figure. |
| 20:43.24 | Imperios | cyka |
| 20:43.26 | drom | It is also Russian |
| 20:43.27 | Groxkiller98 | >_> |
| 20:43.31 | Imperios | No I haven't heard of it |
| 20:43.48 | dino82_ | @Cyrannian: Looks great! and sniff sniff, Ramashe's painting is there too! The nostalgic of past times -_- |
| 20:44.24 | drom | Imperios: You'll get gems like this. http://i.imgur.com/xmkFOIQ.png (A prayer) |
| 20:44.41 | Wormy_semi_here | drom: Hahhah you have to use Moodle as well |
| 20:44.43 | Cyrannian | dino82_: Plus he has a picture of Gianne on his desk! |
| 20:44.47 | Wormy_semi_here | bloody hate it |
| 20:44.56 | dino82_ | yeah, lots of influances from old times! |
| 20:45.27 | drom | Wormy_semi_here: So far I've no issues with it other than it takes goddamn time to redirect us to pages |
| 20:45.56 | drom | And half of the uploaded resources need you to be logged in order to enable you to access them |
| 20:45.58 | drom | I hate that |
| 20:46.18 | Wormy_semi_here | I find it hard to navigate and sometimes slow to load lectures and recordings |
| 20:46.37 | OluapPlayer | Cyrannian: I like the portraits |
| 20:46.47 | Wormy_semi_here | Links to pages also never lead me directly to files |
| 20:46.59 | OluapPlayer | Also Gorf is now secretary of defense |
| 20:47.07 | OluapPlayer | Tigarlu can be secretary of offense |
| 20:47.23 | Cyrannian | Yes |
| 20:47.28 | Wormy_semi_here | Right I'm off, got systems and networks to revise to |
| 20:47.49 | Cyrannian | Notice how Gorf marks his dominance by rubbing his rear on the portrait of Laoi and Kara |
| 20:48.09 | drom | Imperios: Although, despite there being no rules and having mechanics for intercourse. You don't ever see someone use it in public areas of the game. |
| 20:48.12 | OluapPlayer | kek |
| 20:48.29 | OluapPlayer | Gorf - check out this light and darkness |
| 20:48.37 | Cyrannian | olol |
| 20:48.54 | drom | Which was, otherwise, pretty usual. Specially with players who had the necrophilia vice. Who would often have intercourses with rotting corpses found lying on the cavern floor. |
| 20:49.01 | Wormy_semi_here | I'll be looking at signals, encoding, multiplexing, modulation, transmission media (like satellite microwaves), Shannon's Theorem etc. tonight. Probably the most interesting aspect for me since it deals with physical world a lot more |
| 20:49.10 | DrodoEmpire | drom: uh |
| 20:49.13 | DrodoEmpire | thanks for sharing |
| 20:49.16 | DrodoEmpire | o.O |
| 20:49.27 | drom | DrodoEmpire: I've more, actually. |
| 20:49.36 | DrodoEmpire | Reminds me of the DarkRP servers with "Rapist" as a pickable occupation |
| 20:49.39 | DrodoEmpire | Annoying little fucks |
| 20:49.41 | OluapPlayer | I imagine Gorf was at Mou'Cyran when it was destroyed but no one was really worried because it's Gorf |
| 20:49.59 | DrodoEmpire | I remember one time I was part of the cops and we basically tried to exterminate them >., |
| 20:50.24 | DrodoEmpire | DarkRP really is the worst thing ever >.> |
| 20:50.52 | Cyrannian | OluapPlayer: updaet paeg to account for dis |
| 20:51.11 | dino82_ | Gorf is eternal |
| 20:51.19 | OluapPlayer | "Gorf died but he respawns on death so no one really noticed until he started complaining over how painful it was." |
| 20:51.30 | NeonPanda | I only played one Gmod RP aside from Starwars RP (which I actually have a hilarious story from ImperialRP), and that time I joined the police and basically went Judge Dredd on people |
| 20:51.37 | NeonPanda | I think I've told that story before come to think about it |
| 20:51.38 | Xho | i am the law |
| 20:51.48 | OluapPlayer | THE LAW |
| 20:51.50 | DrodoEmpire | NeonPanda: lmao |
| 20:51.56 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdyEu5XTChk |
| 20:52.04 | NeonPanda | not counting my execution spree in Warhammer40kRP |
| 20:52.19 | drom | DrodoEmpire: There are so called Succubus. They are disguised as normal females and are tasked to find and have intercourse with five men. Doing so make them turn into your own slaves. |
| 20:52.38 | DrodoEmpire | I sorta did the same thing once, when me and my brother established a theocratic cult and seized control of the town government, before imposing a lockdown where which we shot anybody on the street |
| 20:52.44 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow |
| 20:52.53 | OluapPlayer | yall are terrible people I'm glad I don't rp outside of the wiki |
| 20:52.56 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 20:53.05 | DrodoEmpire | We had a small army of thugs with like M4s <.< |
| 20:53.08 | Xho | still not clean |
| 20:53.35 | NeonPanda | I joined the Cult Mechanicus, made Questor (read: basically top shit) in a week, then ordered my Skitarii (read: personal army of Arnie Terminators) to purge everyone who didn't bow when I walked past |
| 20:53.50 | DrodoEmpire | o.O |
| 20:53.52 | NeonPanda | I was fully entitled to do so, and over fifty casualties were caused that day |
| 20:54.32 | NeonPanda | I mean sure a lot of people probably got executed several times over, but still |
| 20:55.58 | Xho | Cyrannian: You got time to continue with that thing |
| 20:56.09 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2gaRCBXcAASjiq.jpg took a wrong turn to nighthold and ended up at the suramar kennel |
| 20:56.21 | Cyrannian | Should have time later tonight or tomorrow if you're still available, yes |
| 20:56.31 | Xho | gud |
| 20:58.22 | OluapPlayer | https://68.media.tumblr.com/eac01bae9b1b391e080812d767c7dafe/tumblr_ois4p6y48j1tak2lpo1_540.jpg |
| 20:59.12 | DrodoEmpire | lmao |
| 20:59.40 | NeonPanda | DrodoEmpire: so the ImperialRP story, me and like the three people who weren't shit pooled some money to form our own squad, quickly dominated our way to top of the Stormtrooper corps, then buggered off and joined the Rebellion, sabotaging the base in the process |
| 20:59.50 | DrodoEmpire | olololol |
| 20:59.53 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Imagine if that raid wiped, it would be a cat-astrophe |
| 21:00.07 | OluapPlayer | (168354 Overkill) |
| 21:02.14 | NeonPanda | we had detpacks spread liberally across the base on ten to fifteen minute timers, apparently we nearly crashed the server |
| 21:03.56 | *** join/#sporewiki The_Randomness (~chatzilla@2601:441:1:5b80:8ddf:e40f:b3ce:36d3) |
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| 21:04.01 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 21:04.03 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 21:04.15 | drom | Ayy |
| 21:04.22 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 21:04.53 | Imperios | Cyrannian: I like how the Republic emblem here looks like a little tower with claws extending from it |
| 21:04.57 | NeonPanda | that server had one thing really going for it though: taser sticks that make funny sounds when you hit people with them |
| 21:05.36 | Cyrannian | Or the golden crab of democracy |
| 21:07.00 | OluapPlayer | crab automatically makes it 10/10 |
| 21:07.27 | NeonPanda | I prettymuch always end up going with whatever thing screams "actually organised and not shit" when it comes to RP communities |
| 21:07.33 | NeonPanda | which is why I'm often disappointed |
| 21:10.19 | Imperios | Actually "tower surrounded by stylised laurels" sounds like a really good idea for a emblem |
| 21:12.16 | Cyrannian | It symbolises the mythical six winged Dvottie, born from the galactic core and whose eggs became the stars themselves |
| 21:12.50 | Cyrannian | And yes, I made that up on the spot |
| 21:13.18 | NeonPanda | tbh I would have just claimed that as intentional the whole time |
| 21:13.43 | Imperios | To be honest it being some kind of bird would make sense |
| 21:13.51 | NeonPanda | I mean we've already established that Dvotties just tell the laws of reality to screw off |
| 21:14.03 | Cyrannian | It's the true reason why Erissare hates the NCR |
| 21:15.01 | *** join/#sporewiki OluapPlayer (b164faee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.100.250.238) |
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| 21:15.14 | Imperios | There's actually a country whose national emblem looks a lot like the NCR sigil |
| 21:15.16 | Imperios | Gimme a sec |
| 21:20.26 | Imperios | Cyrannian: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Coat_of_arms_of_Uzbekistan.svg There you go |
| 21:22.24 | Cyrannian | Featuring the fiendish Uzbekistani dvottie |
| 21:26.18 | Imperios | >In the center, a right-facing khumo, a bird symbolizing happiness and love of freedom, is displayed with wings outstretched. |
| 21:26.22 | Imperios | Actually kind of fits |
| 21:26.50 | OluapPlayer | except dvotties are made of 100% evil |
| 21:28.32 | Wormy_away | You mean, "Pure concentrated evil" |
| 21:29.08 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Dvottie#Notable_Pet_Owners - tfw people don't follow the Mr. or Ms. name convention |
| 21:29.11 | OluapPlayer | That's another way of saying it |
| 21:29.18 | Wormy_away | OluapPlalyer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6X9KcrXHwg |
| 21:29.42 | OluapPlayer | olol |
| 21:30.06 | OluapPlayer | Cyrannian: You don't follow it yourself so shup |
| 21:30.15 | Wormy_away | Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw9IqUgGlzs |
| 21:30.21 | OluapPlayer | >Zillum - Owns a Dvottie known as Ms. Sugarplum |
| 21:30.24 | OluapPlayer | I don't remember this one |
| 21:30.25 | Cyrannian | Tigarlu is Old Capricae for Ms. Beelzebub so u shup |
| 21:30.52 | OluapPlayer | Gorf - in the day of the reckoning, you'll all wish you had listened to me |
| 21:31.54 | OluapPlayer | >The Dvottie has been officially labelled the Gorf of Cyrannian's fiction. >Gorf is a Cyrannus character |
| 21:31.58 | OluapPlayer | Cyrannian cheats by having 2 Gorfs |
| 21:32.32 | Cyrannian | https://media.tenor.co/images/ad600f1730c70e8e6bc10a26cf9f1085/tenor.gif |
| 21:33.57 | OluapPlayer | Apolithanatár - dvotties are the Light having a giggle |
| 21:35.48 | Cyrannian | I was meaning to tell you by the way that I'm making an Imperial captain who was a child when Okastana blew up her homeworld during the SWoBF |
| 21:36.06 | OluapPlayer | Okastana - about 5 people remember i existed once |
| 21:36.17 | OluapPlayer | That's interesting though |
| 21:38.14 | Cyrannian | yus, this one http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_War_of_Black_Fog/Part_1#Assault_of_Constantipolos |
| 21:39.04 | Imperios | >Constantinopolos |
| 21:39.21 | Imperios | >sacked and burned |
| 21:39.30 | Imperios | Wait does that make Okastana a crusader |
| 21:39.30 | *** join/#sporewiki Tek0516 (uid149600@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dbvzsetvxcikougw) |
| 21:39.40 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 21:39.42 | OluapPlayer | What you on about |
| 21:39.44 | Imperios | Or a Turk |
| 21:40.01 | OluapPlayer | There was no sacking and burning involved in that section |
| 21:40.08 | OluapPlayer | She just blew the whole planet up |
| 21:40.28 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: The real Constantinople, or Istanbul as we know it today, was famously sacked and burned by Western European crusaders during the Fourth Crusade |
| 21:40.29 | Monet | Constantinopolos = Constantinople |
| 21:40.55 | OluapPlayer | You're making a stretch |
| 21:40.56 | Cyrannian | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/e2/MidRim.png/revision/latest?cb=20161031163715 - The planet is located on the bottom right |
| 21:41.10 | Imperios | Not a stretch if a planet is literally called Constantinople |
| 21:41.18 | Monet | Impy's right. |
| 21:41.20 | Imperios | City was destroyed by crusaders |
| 21:41.21 | OluapPlayer | It is since the planet wasn't sacked and burned |
| 21:41.26 | OluapPlayer | It was just blown up |
| 21:41.31 | Monet | It was still destroyed. |
| 21:41.37 | Imperios | Yes that's what I am on about |
| 21:41.47 | Imperios | Crusaders destroyed Constantinople |
| 21:41.54 | Technobliterator | Oooh, could we do Borealis War stuff now? :o |
| 21:42.09 | OluapPlayer | Ask the two above |
| 21:42.15 | Imperios | I could |
| 21:42.21 | Monet | Possibly |
| 21:42.23 | Imperios | Cyrannian: Wait, is Zare dead? |
| 21:42.28 | Cyrannian | No |
| 21:42.35 | OluapPlayer | unfortunately |
| 21:42.52 | Cyrannian | I have vague plans |
| 21:43.01 | Imperios | YEEEEES |
| 21:43.09 | Monet | U always have plans. |
| 21:43.10 | Imperios | Cool dragon guy is still around |
| 21:43.32 | DrodoEmpire | OluapPlayer: yeah not a terrible stretch given just how devastating the sacking was |
| 21:43.36 | DrodoEmpire | Of Constantinople |
| 21:43.47 | DrodoEmpire | Then there were the Nika Riots, which also fucked it up real bad |
| 21:43.47 | OluapPlayer | i dont cccccccccare tho |
| 21:43.50 | Cyrannian | Also have slightly less vague plans for Adelheidis |
| 21:43.50 | Wormy_away | Xho: dat user name https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0Db0J0iSYU |
| 21:44.04 | OluapPlayer | lemme kill people with demons in peace |
| 21:44.23 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: That, and the mental image of a giant demon bird with a cross tabard screaming "DEUS VULT" at a planet |
| 21:44.26 | Monet | Don't worry you weren't the one who named the city. |
| 21:44.35 | DrodoEmpire | lmao |
| 21:44.36 | OluapPlayer | Imp Jo get your butts in the pad |
| 21:45.07 | Imperios | Though, considering that Okastana has cannon arms |
| 21:45.13 | Imperios | She's more like an Ottoman Turk |
| 21:45.20 | OluapPlayer | Get in the pad |
| 21:45.45 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: ayy |
| 21:46.03 | dino82_ | bye bye |
| 21:46.12 | Imperios | (note for OluapPlayer: after being Deus Vulted by crusaders, Constantinople was eventually conquered and taken over by the Ottoman Empire/Turkey who made it their empire) |
| 21:46.24 | OluapPlayer | Get in the pad jesus tits |
| 21:46.25 | Imperios | The Cyrannian Constantinople was invaded by an actual turkey |
| 21:47.06 | Cyrannian | Nowadays, there's a new waptor Constantinople in the same system |
| 21:47.47 | Monet | Just like in real life. |
| 21:47.58 | OluapPlayer | could be worse |
| 21:48.02 | OluapPlayer | could be filthy humanoids |
| 21:50.09 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Great_Cyrannus_War/Opening_Stages#Second_Battle_of_the_Mou.27Cyran_Remnants - New SGCW battle, written by Val |
| 21:51.02 | Cyrannian | brb |
| 21:57.02 | Technobliterator | Can you guys do tomorrow? |
| 21:57.18 | Imperios | Yeah tomorrow definitely |
| 21:57.19 | OluapPlayer | Depends if I'm not already busy at the time |
| 21:57.35 | Technobliterator | Alright, sweet |
| 21:57.41 | Technobliterator | at least we know what we're doing though |
| 21:58.25 | Monet | I'll have to call a rain-check. |
| 21:58.33 | Monet | Have uni stuff going on. |
| 22:02.19 | Technobliterator | Fair enough |
| 22:15.33 | Wormy_away | http://i.imgur.com/fMEyTaI.jpg |
| 22:15.40 | Xho | Wormy_away: aw shit boi |
| 22:15.55 | Xho | Cyrannian: You still available |
| 22:16.15 | The_Randomness | The French guy is like ð |
| 22:16.57 | Wormy_away | Actually I'll post the whole story http://imgur.com/gallery/c9p1e |
| 22:23.11 | Xho | Also how the heck did Val manage to write a whole section |
| 22:24.12 | Wormy_away | Because he's a wiki legend. |
| 22:24.21 | Xho | ur wiki legend shup |
| 22:24.32 | Xho | Wait hold on |
| 22:26.09 | Xho | I should really do that one bit on the Fantasyverse |
| 22:26.13 | Xho | With that location in the Eastern Plains |
| 22:26.17 | Xho | Otherwise it's a red link |
| 22:26.31 | Monet | He worked with Cyr apparently |
| 22:32.06 | Xho | Then again I'm quite liking not editing atm |
| 22:32.52 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Elysia_Lost - Final part of Chapter One done |
| 22:34.55 | Xho | DrodoEmpire: speaks french not even human |
| 22:35.08 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 22:35.29 | DrodoEmpire | The Drodo are close allies with the French, and some of their police would know how to speak basic French |
| 22:35.46 | DrodoEmpire | Especially given long-range patrols like these |
| 22:37.00 | Ghelae | So they see a human and assume it speaks French. I understood that. |
| 22:37.27 | Monet | That's the conclusion I had. |
| 22:38.14 | Xho | Imagine if it was some patriotic Brit from this day and age |
| 22:38.24 | Xho | "GO BACK TO FRANCE YOU SMARMY YELLOW CUNT" |
| 22:38.45 | Xho | Would certainly make for a shorter story |
| 22:39.07 | Xho | I wonder what the status of English is as a language in the 2800ss |
| 22:39.10 | Xho | 2800s even |
| 22:40.41 | Monet | Definitely a much less influential one |
| 22:40.44 | DrodoEmpire | No longer a global language |
| 22:40.46 | DrodoEmpire | Definitely |
| 22:40.57 | Xho | Going back to the Fantasyverse I had the idea of creating the entire royal family tree of the Orichalcum Elves |
| 22:41.00 | Xho | It would be huge as fuck |
| 22:41.38 | DrodoEmpire | *inbred as fuck |
| 22:41.39 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 22:41.43 | Monet | Sounds like it would be |
| 22:42.02 | Xho | Well, a couple of dynasties perhaps |
| 22:42.23 | Xho | >tfw Septimus is inbred |
| 22:42.49 | Xho | I was mulling it over earlier and I came to the conclusion that Longinus and Septimus are likely distantly related |
| 22:43.21 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: I had this postulation that the most prevalent trade languages are either French, Klekkian Cuneiform or Common Dracid. |
| 22:43.32 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm |
| 22:43.35 | Xho | Due to the age differences Longinus is probably two generations behind Septimus |
| 22:43.42 | DrodoEmpire | It might vary by region, but yeah |
| 22:44.17 | Monet | Yeah. But the DI and DCP seem to have the broadest trade networks With France as second. |
| 22:44.39 | Xho | Is it even possible to speak Klekkian as a trade language |
| 22:44.46 | Xho | There's a handful of species that speak with mandibles |
| 22:44.55 | Monet | ...good point |
| 22:45.37 | Xho | Which makes me wonder even if the Loron actually do speak like chavs |
| 22:45.47 | Monet | Come to think of it, of all the data why does the Emprie infobox not have a nentry for "official language(s)" |
| 22:45.48 | Xho | Who am I kidding science doesn't work with them |
| 22:47.25 | OluapPlayer | universal translator up yo ass |
| 22:47.40 | Xho | >tfw universal translator still renders it as broken |
| 22:47.42 | Xho | gg loron |
| 22:48.35 | Monet | Science has made me realise Star Tre kstyle universal translators are next-to-impossible |
| 22:48.52 | Xho | Kicath - multiple languages when |
| 22:49.06 | Ghelae | SporeWiki has more than enough space magic to justify impossible things like universal translators. |
| 22:49.07 | OluapPlayer | Dracogonarious - never we understand all languages ever |
| 22:49.19 | Monet | For instance languages that speak "I see the dog" as "Dog I see" |
| 22:49.24 | Cyrannian | Xho: back, sorry for the delay in responding. Is it alright if we leave it until tomorrow? Fiction'd out right now |
| 22:49.33 | Ghelae | Not quite enough space magic to make them translate Loron properly, however. |
| 22:49.35 | Xho | k |
| 22:49.50 | OluapPlayer | Loron speech isn't broken |
| 22:49.55 | OluapPlayer | It's literally what it sounds like |
| 22:49.55 | Technobliterator | Loron speech is chav version of Norol speech, so when translated into other languages, it appears as the broken/chav version of whatever that language is |
| 22:50.49 | Ghelae | Oh, yes; it is justified. |
| 22:51.20 | DrodoEmpire | Xho: https://i.gyazo.com/933e601c77d18ad5ead6b1e7778447a0.png |
| 22:51.34 | Xho | 10/10 |
| 22:52.51 | Monet | Now the PAE uses telepathic translators but they're jsutified magic. |
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| 22:56.06 | Monet | Though the amount of technobabble used makes me question how sciencey Star Trek is |
| 22:56.28 | Technobliterator | I kind of set it so all Ottzelloan races share the same language because they were all enslaved by the Ottzel at one point, with the Loron being the exception because they were the only ones who became spacefaring and were never conquered by Ottzels |
| 22:56.32 | Technobliterator | oh, Kralgon too |
| 22:56.34 | DrodoEmpire | ST isn't at all scientific <.< |
| 22:56.55 | DrodoEmpire | Also yeah Drodo have universal translators, but the issue is that Classical Greek isn't one of the languages catelogued |
| 22:57.05 | DrodoEmpire | Which I figure is a limitation to most Drodo translators |
| 22:57.20 | DrodoEmpire | So it was utterly foreign to them |
| 22:57.27 | Technobliterator | Ironically, the Ottzel who once enslaved the entire galaxy are the only ones who went extinct |
| 22:57.28 | Technobliterator | 8D |
| 22:57.31 | DrodoEmpire | lul |
| 22:57.31 | OluapPlayer | Drodo - what is this primitive bull |
| 22:57.35 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:57.47 | DrodoEmpire | So basically Ottzel has become like a Latin for them |
| 22:58.09 | DrodoEmpire | A uniting linguistic influence for the descending civilisations |
| 22:58.42 | DrodoEmpire | >Portugal declares war on me (I'm Aztec) |
| 22:58.52 | DrodoEmpire | >Raise 32 000 troops in a few days |
| 22:58.56 | OluapPlayer | ximicacam |
| 22:58.58 | DrodoEmpire | *I raise 32 000 |
| 22:59.00 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 22:59.06 | Technobliterator | Yeah, but they never changed their language even over time |
| 22:59.19 | DrodoEmpire | I imagine that could be due to how closely connected they are |
| 22:59.39 | Technobliterator | Yup |
| 22:59.43 | DrodoEmpire | I love that I'm barely in the red despite them all being mercs |
| 22:59.44 | OluapPlayer | They don't need to come up with a new language if they all speak the same one already |
| 22:59.53 | DrodoEmpire | Aztec economy stronk |
| 23:00.00 | Technobliterator | I imagine the Kralgon abandoned their own language once they hooked up to UNO's System |
| 23:00.09 | Technobliterator | but the Loron and Norol stuck with theirs out of stubbornness |
| 23:00.13 | DrodoEmpire | Well no Oluap, language is an accidental thing 99% of the time, it evolves |
| 23:00.20 | DrodoEmpire | That's how the Romance Languages became a thing |
| 23:00.30 | Monet | Compare Ye Olde English to modern English |
| 23:00.49 | DrodoEmpire | Because of isolation and a lack of one common nation to unite latin speakers, regional variations of latin became different languages entirely |
| 23:01.00 | DrodoEmpire | Didn't happen with Ottzel because they remained connected very closely |
| 23:01.09 | DrodoEmpire | Most likely that's why anyway |
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| 23:02.04 | Technobliterator | The languages never evolved differently |
| 23:02.51 | Monet | Wouldn't the language not changing or evolving imply cultural stagnation? |
| 23:03.24 | ImpyDroid | WHO DARES SPEAK OF LANGUAGES WITHOUT ME |
| 23:03.37 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Not necessarily |
| 23:03.44 | ImpyDroid | Lithuanians aren't stagnant |
| 23:04.14 | Ghelae | ImpyDroid: We started with Drodo assuming all Humans speak French, moved onto universal translators, and then to Ottzello not needing them because they all speak Ottzel. |
| 23:04.41 | ImpyDroid | Though there are precedents of stagnant languages being isolated: for example the most conservative Germanic language as far as I know is Icelandic |
| 23:04.54 | Technobliterator | Lithuania has its own language, though? |
| 23:05.15 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: Yes, and it is apparently the most conservative Indo-European language |
| 23:05.20 | DrodoEmpire | Ghelae: not even assuming they all spoke English-- only figuring that's the most likely language the guy spoke |
| 23:05.39 | Technobliterator | Really? It wasn't last I checked |
| 23:05.41 | DrodoEmpire | If you picked up a guy who was lost in the US, you'd probably try English first with him after all |
| 23:05.47 | ImpyDroid | For example their nouns still have -us, -os etc inflection all suffixes |
| 23:05.50 | ImpyDroid | Like |
| 23:05.52 | ImpyDroid | Say... |
| 23:05.55 | ImpyDroid | PaulonIS |
| 23:05.59 | Ghelae | You're right; I was oversimplifying. |
| 23:06.47 | ImpyDroid | So this is the trait that most ancient languages had but in most Indo-European languages these suffixes vanished or turned into something else |
| 23:06.51 | Technobliterator | ah |
| 23:07.04 | ImpyDroid | Greek, Latin, Sanskrit etc |
| 23:07.41 | ImpyDroid | In modern Romance languages these inflectional suffixes turned to "o", "e" etc |
| 23:07.57 | ImpyDroid | Like say "annulus" became |
| 23:08.03 | ImpyDroid | ...what is Spanish for ring? |
| 23:08.47 | DrodoEmpire | el ringo |
| 23:08.49 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 23:09.14 | Monet | The thing about English ,which sort of bugs me about the MGSV plot is English has a bit of everything - French, Spanish, Nordic, Russian, Italian, Latin, even a bit of Arabic. |
| 23:09.37 | The_Randomness | ImpyDroid: anillo |
| 23:09.38 | ImpyDroid | Are we talking about VOCAL CORD PARASITES? |
| 23:09.40 | OluapPlayer | The MGSV plot is a completely trainwreck not worth thinking of |
| 23:09.54 | ImpyDroid | The_Randomness: well there we go |
| 23:10.04 | ImpyDroid | AnnulUS became anillO |
| 23:10.10 | OluapPlayer | It's best to just ignore it as Venom Snake having a really wild hallucination |
| 23:10.17 | Technobliterator | There are parts of the story that are really neat, though |
| 23:10.22 | Technobliterator | "you're all diamonds" |
| 23:10.24 | Technobliterator | ;__; |
| 23:10.29 | Monet | ImpyDroid: More specifically a strain of vocal cord parasites trained to kill someone if the host ever speaks English. |
| 23:10.31 | Technobliterator | "Kaz, I'm already a demon" |
| 23:10.33 | OluapPlayer | Yes but those were just a few moments |
| 23:10.44 | Technobliterator | This is true |
| 23:10.49 | Technobliterator | I find the gameplay redeeming, though |
| 23:10.54 | OluapPlayer | Most of the story was silent Venom while ridiculous things happened around him |
| 23:10.55 | Technobliterator | It's easily got the best gameplay in the series |
| 23:11.03 | OluapPlayer | Yeah the gameplay was top tier but the story was fucking atrocious |
| 23:11.11 | Technobliterator | No doubt |
| 23:11.40 | OluapPlayer | "THIS IS THE DAY WEAPONS LEARN TO WALK UPRIGHT!" >Venom just looks mildly annoyed and confused in silence |
| 23:11.42 | OluapPlayer | still mad |
| 23:11.50 | Monet | Actually that's the odd thing |
| 23:12.06 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Yeah OP told me about that, what I am concerned with is how this parasite determines what is English and what isn't |
| 23:12.10 | OluapPlayer | I loved Skull Face in that scene and there was no reaction |
| 23:12.15 | Technobliterator | Oh, and the setting was one of the best |
| 23:12.23 | Monet | Skull can *only* speak English or he dies...yet again English is this amalgamated blob of foreign words. |
| 23:12.24 | Technobliterator | And Sahelanthropus is the best Metal Gear |
| 23:12.37 | OluapPlayer | The parasite knows okay |
| 23:12.39 | OluapPlayer | it just does |
| 23:12.44 | ImpyDroid | Some English dialects are so weird that linguists sometimes count them as independent languages |
| 23:12.49 | Technobliterator | I mean, fuck the vocal cord parasites |
| 23:13.01 | Technobliterator | I hate it, but at the same time, that one Quiet scene wouldn't have worked without it |
| 23:13.07 | Monet | Something about tuning to specific vibrations. |
| 23:13.08 | Technobliterator | I am aware that said Quiet scene was full of plot holes |
| 23:13.08 | Technobliterator | and yet |
| 23:13.10 | Technobliterator | it's so sad |
| 23:13.10 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Parasite - I SPENT SEVEN YEARS STUDYING ENGLISH DIALECTOLOGY |
| 23:13.20 | OluapPlayer | More like 65 million years |
| 23:13.38 | ImpyDroid | Studying English before England even existed |
| 23:13.48 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: Quiet was a nice char but she was also very badly handled, like how they could've spoken in a language other than English but never bothered to |
| 23:13.50 | ImpyDroid | Before the British Isles even existed |
| 23:14.14 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Specific vibrations... so if I spoke English with a heavy accent I could get away with it? |
| 23:14.17 | Technobliterator | Yeah, they never explained why she only ever did to...what's his name |
| 23:14.21 | Technobliterator | old guy |
| 23:14.24 | ImpyDroid | Like if I was a Scot, or an African AMERICAN |
| 23:14.25 | OluapPlayer | Code Talker |
| 23:14.27 | ImpyDroid | Or a Jamaican |
| 23:14.27 | Technobliterator | yeah him |
| 23:14.31 | OluapPlayer | DINÃ |
| 23:14.32 | Technobliterator | She only ever spoke to him |
| 23:14.38 | Technobliterator | Could've easily spoken to anyone else on Mother Base |
| 23:14.43 | Technobliterator | Huge plot hole right there |
| 23:14.57 | Monet | ImpyDroid: I think there was something about how prototype strains were isolated by regional dialect |
| 23:15.00 | Technobliterator | The scene was still so sad, though |
| 23:15.20 | OluapPlayer | The plot hole diminishes the effect to me |
| 23:15.48 | Monet | It's a silly organism designed to substitute for nanomachines |
| 23:16.12 | OluapPlayer | It'd have been more plausible if they had just gone for nanomachines |
| 23:16.36 | Monet | Cept dis b 1984 |
| 23:16.51 | OluapPlayer | The setting doesn't exactly follow real world history to a T |
| 23:17.14 | OluapPlayer | You got giant monkey tank running around in 1984, you can have some early nanomachines too |
| 23:17.27 | Monet | Nanotechnology was an emergent field i nthe 80s |
| 23:17.39 | Monet | SO....maybe I guess |
| 23:17.54 | OluapPlayer | But somehow they decided going for magic microbes made more sense |
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| 23:19.22 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.22 | Monet | Also 1980s gave us Robocop - WHich gave us this beauty https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71UZaAPk8uL._SL1000_.jpg |
| 23:20.50 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow |
| 23:20.57 | DrodoEmpire | My tech costs are now all 80% off |
| 23:21.00 | DrodoEmpire | As fucking Aztec |
| 23:21.04 | Technobliterator | Frankly, the nanomachines we saw even in MGS1 were definitely pushing it |
| 23:21.30 | Monet | Oh also Transformers came out in 1984. |
| 23:21.41 | Monet | Nice references Kojima :> |
| 23:22.15 | Monet | mfw Sahelanthropus was a homage to Megatron or something. |
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| 23:23.05 | Monet | Hi |
| 23:23.06 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 23:23.09 | DrodoEmpire | Hey Hachi |
| 23:23.11 | ImpyDroid | Speak of the mechas and Hachiman appears |
| 23:23.12 | OluapPlayer | idunno this is the same franchise with a magic electric man, a creep with a gas mask who has psychic powers and can shoot fireballs, and vampires |
| 23:23.18 | OluapPlayer | I can believe nanomachines in 1984 |
| 23:23.36 | Hachiman | Oh we're talking about MGSV? |
| 23:23.47 | Hachiman | Yes, I can also get behind nanomachines in 1984 |
| 23:23.52 | ImpyDroid | FUCKING |
| 23:23.56 | ImpyDroid | VOCAL CORD PARASITES |
| 23:24.06 | Hachiman | That's my line hur |
| 23:24.07 | Monet | Hachiman: I worked out a few minutes ago that Sahelanthropus might have been in the game as homages to ED-209 and the Transformers. |
| 23:24.23 | OluapPlayer | I know Vamp's thing was later explained to be nanomachines but afaik Kojima literally wanted him to a vampire when he made MGS2 |
| 23:24.26 | Hachiman | Ah, that'd be clever |
| 23:24.33 | Technobliterator | Also, it had AI in 1974 |
| 23:24.39 | Technobliterator | So yes, nanomachines in 1984 is not that unusual |
| 23:25.09 | Hachiman | Yes, there was advanced artificial intelligence prior to the timeline of MGSV so I honestly do not get why they went with vocal chord parasites |
| 23:25.20 | Hachiman | When nanomachines would have caused less of a shitstorm |
| 23:25.25 | OluapPlayer | because you'll feel the phantom pain for a good story |
| 23:25.36 | Hachiman | kek |
| 23:25.46 | Hachiman | http://i.imgur.com/8h0aIG7.png?1 Also I made a new bitch earlier today |
| 23:25.55 | OluapPlayer | tits/10 |
| 23:26.08 | OluapPlayer | I was also disappointed by the lack of a boss fight with Skull Face |
| 23:26.19 | OluapPlayer | Frailer people were ridden with bullets in these games |
| 23:26.21 | Hachiman | Yeah, Skull Face would have been a great boss fight |
| 23:26.37 | Monet | We all know Hideo Kojima is a colossal film nerd. The 1980s was the decade of the robot. |
| 23:27.16 | Technobliterator | They went with parasites because they wanted to explain away the COBRA Unit, presumably |
| 23:27.28 | Technobliterator | And they wanted the vocal chord crap so Quiet could work out |
| 23:27.32 | OluapPlayer | Which they shouldn't have done |
| 23:27.34 | Technobliterator | Even though it was such a horrible idea |
| 23:27.42 | Technobliterator | such a stupidly horrible pathetically bad idea |
| 23:27.45 | OluapPlayer | parasites aren't a good explanation for the power of CONTROLLING BEES |
| 23:27.47 | Monet | Cobra Unit formed in 1945-ish didn't it? |
| 23:27.50 | Technobliterator | It did |
| 23:28.17 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Yeeeesss |
| 23:28.23 | Monet | I can't see nanomachines being 40s tech. The atomic bomb was high-technology at that point |
| 23:28.44 | Monet | It didn't take me long to figure "Huh...so basically Snake is Rambo" |
| 23:28.52 | OluapPlayer | The Cobra Unit having unexplained powers was part of their charm if you ask me |
| 23:29.01 | OluapPlayer | Same for Volgin |
| 23:29.35 | Technobliterator | I would be inclined to agree |
| 23:29.47 | Hachiman | I would honestly just put the COBRA Unit and Volgin's abilities down to just the general rumours of major powers having occult involvement and supernatural-oriented divisions that spread throughout WW2 |
| 23:30.04 | OluapPlayer | Also one of the Cobra Unit was literally a ghost |
| 23:30.36 | Monet | If Snake Eater is a homage to James Bond, I am fully behind Venom Snake being a homage to Rambo III. |
| 23:31.23 | Monet | Gut with a bandanna gets dropped in the middle of Afghanistan to fight Ruskies during their occupation. Seems legit. |
| 23:31.36 | Monet | Also I once tried a run as Shirtless Snake. |
| 23:31.56 | OluapPlayer | I still believe the main reason Venom is so quiet is because of the whole feature which lets you play as your MB soldiers |
| 23:32.13 | OluapPlayer | Since you can play any mission with any person, they decided to just not give him any voice acting |
| 23:32.38 | Monet | Maybe he's jsut being a professional |
| 23:32.59 | OluapPlayer | No it's dumb |
| 23:33.33 | Technobliterator | I don't think that's the reason at all |
| 23:33.40 | Technobliterator | I think it's because they want Venom Snake to be an audience surrogate |
| 23:33.49 | OluapPlayer | I'd be kinda weird if you had a woman character and she started talking like Kiefer |
| 23:33.51 | Technobliterator | The idea is that Venom Snake is literally you |
| 23:33.53 | Monet | Standing in front of a five-story-tall mech, what -could- he say without losing his cool? |
| 23:34.00 | Monet | There's an idea |
| 23:34.03 | Technobliterator | So therefore, they make the character quiet |
| 23:34.05 | OluapPlayer | Maybe "Oh fuck I better get out of here" |
| 23:34.09 | Technobliterator | I hate when they do that, though |
| 23:34.15 | Cyrannian | night guys |
| 23:34.27 | Monet | If you're invested in the story, *you* voice Snake. |
| 23:34.34 | Monet | Involuntarily. |
| 23:35.14 | Hachiman | I mean, Snake spoke when he faced Metal Gear for the first time |
| 23:35.23 | Hachiman | Naked even said stuff when he was faced with the SHAGOHOD |
| 23:35.29 | Monet | *Sees Sahel* Snake - "...shit" <- this works. |
| 23:35.34 | Technobliterator | Raiden was supposed to be an audience surrogate, and they still gave him a personality |
| 23:35.39 | Technobliterator | A shitty one, but at least they gave him one |
| 23:36.00 | OluapPlayer | I just wanted to CQC the bears |
| 23:36.02 | Technobliterator | Venom, they gave him no lines despite giving him a fantastic voice actor. What a waste. |
| 23:36.07 | OluapPlayer | game won't even let me do that |
| 23:36.16 | Technobliterator | Other than "you're all diamonds" and "I'm already a demon", it was a waste |
| 23:37.04 | Hachiman | I feel like audience surrogate characters just don't work with Metal Gear - the protagonists are too intrinsic to the story to not have personality |
| 23:37.17 | Monet | On the flipside there was SOO MUCH HATE for the fact it wasn't David Hayter speaking. |
| 23:37.30 | Hachiman | Yes, and I hate the fact Hayter didn't voice Venom |
| 23:37.31 | OluapPlayer | Including hate from Hayter himself |
| 23:37.38 | Technobliterator | I don't |
| 23:37.43 | Technobliterator | Sutherland was a fantastic voice actor |
| 23:38.07 | OluapPlayer | I didn't mind since I was never invested in Hayter |
| 23:38.56 | OluapPlayer | They missed the chance of having Hayter voice the real Big Boss though |
| 23:38.59 | OluapPlayer | That could've been cool |
| 23:39.08 | Technobliterator | Didn't he? |
| 23:39.09 | Hachiman | Yeah I'm inclined to agree |
| 23:39.13 | OluapPlayer | He didn't |
| 23:39.14 | Technobliterator | I thought he did in GZ |
| 23:39.17 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 23:39.19 | Monet | "I don't like that it's not Hayer's voice I'm hearing. And Jack Bauer is talking so fucking much" -> A possible commenter if Sutherland spoke more. |
| 23:39.20 | OluapPlayer | Nope, that was Kiefer |
| 23:39.20 | Hachiman | Also would have made Venom's reveal less expected |
| 23:39.23 | Technobliterator | I misread |
| 23:39.24 | Technobliterator | but yeah |
| 23:40.31 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Since you took interest, what I had in mind is that the character premise is essential Poison Ivy on dark magic, necromantic steroids |
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| 23:40.59 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 23:41.22 | Monet | I didn't mind after I learned that it was Sutherland. Who played Jack "no fucks given interrogation" Bauer. |
| 23:41.46 | The_Randomness | Hey |
| 23:41.58 | Monet | hello |
| 23:42.32 | Technobliterator | oh, another thing with MGSV's story |
| 23:42.37 | Technobliterator | Huey suddenly becoming a massive prick |
| 23:42.47 | Technobliterator | I get why Kojima did it, but it still made little sense |
| 23:43.04 | Technobliterator | he's a great but broken guy in Peace Walker, now suddenly he's a piece of shit |
| 23:43.09 | Monet | Was he a butt monkey in Peace Walker? |
| 23:43.23 | OluapPlayer | huey needs to go into the trash where belongs |
| 23:43.23 | Technobliterator | He was |
| 23:43.28 | OluapPlayer | he* |
| 23:43.34 | Hachiman | I mean, I recall Huey being a fucking asshole in MGS2 based on what Otacon said |
| 23:43.39 | Hachiman | Or something like that |
| 23:44.07 | Technobliterator | Not really |
| 23:44.17 | OluapPlayer | He just described how he died |
| 23:44.23 | Technobliterator | Huey committed suicide because his new wife cheated on him with his son |
| 23:44.29 | Technobliterator | Like, that would drive anyone insane |
| 23:44.36 | Hachiman | Didn't he also try to kill Otacon's sister |
| 23:44.53 | OluapPlayer | He did, because of the aforementioned cheating |
| 23:44.54 | Monet | Well...there must have been some reason why Otacon was quite willing to have sex with his new mum. |
| 23:44.58 | Technobliterator | But in new canon, now Huey committed suicide because that suddenly made him wake up to the fact he has been a piece of shit his whole life and made excuses for it |
| 23:45.16 | OluapPlayer | Pretty sure his mom forced herself into him |
| 23:45.17 | Monet | Fucking Hal up via parental trauma would do the trick. |
| 23:45.37 | Hachiman | No wonder why Otacon is a basement-dwelling weeaboo |
| 23:46.33 | Monet | Killing your daughter because your son had sex with your latest wife may be an odd situation but it sounds a bit extreme. |
| 23:47.14 | Monet | Although let's consider the other factor that he was also a Non-Russian who defected to the Soviet Union. |
| 23:47.28 | Technobliterator | The whole Huey killing Strangelove thing really bothers me |
| 23:47.28 | OluapPlayer | should've had a non-canon option to CQC his ass off the platform straight into the ocean |
| 23:47.45 | Technobliterator | It explains how he had two wives, but it bothers me that it had to be that extreme |
| 23:48.00 | Technobliterator | But still, you feel sorry for Huey right through the story until it's like "wow, what a cunt" |
| 23:48.04 | Monet | There was a special type of gulag for Non-Russian scientists that weren't *that* much better from the normal gulags. |
| 23:48.09 | OluapPlayer | All because she wouldn't let him put their baby son into a giant robot |
| 23:48.31 | ImpyDroid | Monet: You mean the sharashkas? |
| 23:48.38 | OluapPlayer | Otacon had a hard life |
| 23:48.38 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Yeah those |
| 23:48.42 | ImpyDroid | They were for all kinds of scientists |
| 23:48.47 | ImpyDroid | Not necessarily foreigners |
| 23:49.04 | ImpyDroid | Also being non-Russian in the Soviet Union wasn't that big of a deal |
| 23:49.06 | Monet | 90% sure that if Huey had defected to the USSR, he would have ended up there regardless of his talent. |
| 23:49.15 | ImpyDroid | Though there were some glass ceilings |
| 23:49.28 | Technobliterator | Huey had a hard life and turned out to be a cunt |
| 23:49.35 | Technobliterator | Otacon had a hard life and turned out to be a good guy |
| 23:49.49 | OluapPlayer | Huey doesn't deserve the hard life award anymore |
| 23:49.56 | ImpyDroid | ...Oh wait I am going to talk stuff about my ancestors again because I have achieved nothing in my life so they are the only thing I can tell to others |
| 23:50.07 | ImpyDroid | ...And nobody cares about my life story anyway |
| 23:50.10 | Monet | From what I heard of the sharashkas they were basically prisons only the inmates worked in laboratories instead of fields. |
| 23:50.12 | ImpyDroid | Never-ending hur |
| 23:50.15 | ImpyDroid | *Nevermind |
| 23:50.15 | OluapPlayer | Way to sour the mood |
| 23:50.30 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Yeah essentially |
| 23:50.44 | Monet | Now that would have screwed Huey up just a bit. |
| 23:51.00 | ImpyDroid | I think that high-ranked foreigners were often held in better conditions |
| 23:51.02 | OluapPlayer | Huey died in his home pool so he was clearly not in a gulag |
| 23:51.20 | ImpyDroid | Gilded prisons, so to speak |
| 23:51.27 | ImpyDroid | Wait wait wait actually |
| 23:51.28 | Monet | OluapPlayer: I'm not saying he did. |
| 23:51.33 | ImpyDroid | What time period are we talking about |
| 23:51.44 | Monet | I was more thinking he'd be in the sharashkas during Snake's coma. |
| 23:51.55 | Monet | ImpyDroid: 1976-1984 |
| 23:52.24 | Technobliterator | MGSV's gameplay makes it in my opinion the best game of 2015 other than Witcher 3 |
| 23:52.29 | Technobliterator | But its story makes it the worst MGS story |
| 23:52.39 | Monet | If Huey killed himself any time after 1991 then no he wouldn't have died in a gulag. |
| 23:52.39 | OluapPlayer | http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Huey_Emmerich#Post-Peace_Walker |
| 23:53.04 | OluapPlayer | He spent the time working for XOF |
| 23:53.18 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Oh, gulags weren't that big of a thing back then |
| 23:53.34 | Technobliterator | Is it explained why he worked with XOF? |
| 23:53.40 | Technobliterator | Like, why he didn't just stick with MSF? |
| 23:53.49 | OluapPlayer | I don't think it was ever explained |
| 23:53.50 | ImpyDroid | So I doubt it is a... wait why are we talking about gulags actually |
| 23:53.56 | ImpyDroid | I lost sight of the discussion |
| 23:54.17 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: >sexy dark magic Poison Ivy |
| 23:54.23 | ImpyDroid | Holy fuck you just made me a waifu |
| 23:54.24 | OluapPlayer | I assume it was because Skull Face offered him some mad dollar |
| 23:54.25 | ImpyDroid | Thank yooy |
| 23:54.28 | ImpyDroid | *you |
| 23:54.51 | Technobliterator | Or threatened his life |
| 23:54.55 | Monet | ImpyDroid: After Huey was extracted from Mother Base by XOF in 1976, he spent the next decade working on a new Metal Gear on the Russian side of the iron curtain. |
| 23:54.56 | OluapPlayer | Or that |
| 23:55.00 | Technobliterator | Oh, and Skull Face is such a disappointing villain |
| 23:55.02 | Technobliterator | like seriously |
| 23:55.20 | OluapPlayer | He could've been better but I liked him prior to the parasite bullshit |
| 23:55.26 | Technobliterator | Absolutely |
| 23:55.31 | *** join/#sporewiki The_Randomness (~chatzilla@2601:441:1:5b80:8ddf:e40f:b3ce:36d3) |
| 23:55.34 | Technobliterator | I liked him in Ground Zeroes a lot |
| 23:55.37 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Could be pressured into working in that case |
| 23:55.44 | Hachiman | I like Skull Face's backstory in MGSV but that's about it |
| 23:55.45 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o The_Randomness] by ChanServ |
| 23:55.58 | Hachiman | The confrontation, if you could call it that, with him and Venom in the car is fucking dumb as well |
| 23:56.01 | Technobliterator | But then in TPP, he turned out to have a stupid plan, there was little mystery to his character, and his death was underwhelming |
| 23:56.04 | Technobliterator | because Huey ruins it |
| 23:56.12 | OluapPlayer | You got this tall, grotesque fucker who's ultra sadistic, is apparently immune to pain and one-hands a shotgun |
| 23:56.22 | ImpyDroid | Sharashkas per se did not exist at this point, just checked |
| 23:56.24 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 23:56.25 | Monet | ImpyDroid: No doubt. Even if XOF is cross-national he would have been kept under iron-tight surveillence and yeah, his boss is Skullface. |
| 23:56.27 | OluapPlayer | And he's totally not used to his full potential |
| 23:56.39 | ImpyDroid | But pressuring him into working somehow is quite possible |
| 23:56.59 | Technobliterator | Yup |
| 23:57.07 | Hachiman | I've always said that Skull Face would be an awesome boss fight |
| 23:57.10 | Technobliterator | Also, they just sort of shoehorned him into Big Boss' history |
| 23:57.15 | Monet | Skullface stuck a bomb inside Paz's vagina so forcing a wheelchair-bound scientist to make him a new superweapon is easily plausible. |
| 23:57.22 | Technobliterator | why wasn't he a known character in MGS3? |
| 23:57.23 | Hachiman | Two |
| 23:57.36 | OluapPlayer | Clearly they hadn't come up with him at the time |
| 23:57.39 | Technobliterator | one thing I loved about MGSV though was actually hearing Zero again |
| 23:57.50 | OluapPlayer | Oh yeah the Zero tapes were good |
| 23:57.55 | Technobliterator | they were awesome |
| 23:58.03 | Hachiman | Technobiterator: Didn't they keep XOF a secret from Big Boss since he was essentially the leader of his hidden cleanup squad |
| 23:58.06 | Monet | I liked the way they signed off Skullface though. |
| 23:58.13 | OluapPlayer | Zero tapes and the Hamburger ones |
| 23:58.26 | Technobliterator | I'm not sure |
| 23:58.46 | OluapPlayer | Yes, Skull Face was the leader of the cleanup squad who ensured Big Boss survived his missions |
| 23:58.58 | OluapPlayer | And he got envious of BB's fame because he never got any recognition for his work |
| 23:59.02 | Technobliterator | I do like though that Zero wasn't actually meant to be the bad guy, and how it shows he was just misguided about how he went about carrying out the Boss' vision |
| 23:59.03 | Monet | Skullface was effectively erased from history, just like what could happen to "undesireables" in a certain book that shares its name with the year MGSV is set. |
| 23:59.09 | Technobliterator | and actually wanted to make amends with Big Boss |
| 23:59.25 | Technobliterator | but then Skull Face was all LOL FUCK YOU and that's how the bad stuff happened |
| 23:59.38 | Technobliterator | Technically, Skull Face is the main villain of the entire franchise |
| 23:59.51 | OluapPlayer | his skin should've peeled off and you face off against Skull Whole Body |
| 23:59.54 | Monet | Into the memory hole with ol' Skully-boy! |
