IRC log for #sporewiki on 20170117

00:01.40ImperiosDrodoEmpire: I just realised something
00:01.42Imperios>Timonax is a fair-skinned Epirote who, while of only average height for an ancient Greek man, is well-built after years on campaign.
00:01.50ImperiosThere were fair-skinned Greek people?
00:01.54ImperiosOr is it like relative?
00:24.01DrodoEmpireSorta-relative, but I think more olive-skinned Greeks is a slightly newer thing
00:24.33DrodoEmpirePlus he's from like northern Greece-- its quite possible he's partially Illyrian or Celt
00:28.47ImperiosAh
00:29.11ImperiosSo he's like a pale Greek
00:29.15ImperiosGreeker
00:29.19ImperiosGracker
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00:30.39DrodoEmpirehur
00:30.49DrodoEmpireRelatively speaking yes
00:31.34DrodoEmpireHe'd probably still be tanned at the very least from long marches in sunny, arid regions
00:32.33Monet_2He be very bronze
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00:35.52dinolion92Hi
00:36.51DrodoEmpireHey
00:39.48dinolion92Hi
00:41.23dinolion92Anything interesting going on here.
00:43.27DrodoEmpireI'm eating, so not on my end
00:43.55dinolion92I spent the day doing the recycling and cleaning, so I'm kind of bored to.
00:48.41dinolion92If someone made a strategy game like Empire Total War, Civ 5, or Europa Universalis IV, but with the fictions of the gigaquadrant, what would you play as? I'd play as the New Cyrannian Republic or Galactic Empire of Cyrannus
00:52.10DrodoEmpireProbably as the Drodo <.<
00:52.20dinolion92Of course, :)
00:52.38DrodoEmpireI've floated the idea of a Stellaris mod
00:53.36DrodoEmpireI've also attempted work on an EUIV mod, which was... I'd say 40% done until I got frustrated by constant updates putting my back at square one
00:53.41DrodoEmpire*me
00:53.49dinolion92I know how to mod, but I simply don't have the time to make a mod of that scale. Also, if someone made one like that, they really should do these wonderful creations justice.
00:53.58DrodoEmpireI tried
00:54.08DrodoEmpireAnd, yeah, that was back when I had more time on my hands
00:54.49dinolion92I can mod Empire at War, but not on the scale to make entirely new factions. Perhaps a GCW mod could work...But again, I'm not sure I could do it justice.
00:54.57dinolion92Still, it would be cool.
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01:05.29DrodoEmpireHi
01:05.49TybusenHello
01:15.59ImperiosHi
01:16.21ImperiosTybusen: Did you get my Skype message?
01:16.31TybusenAye
01:16.38TybusenFlag looks good, I like it
01:19.18TybusenThe starburst shape in the center looks good and fits with them being based in a nebula, and the hexagon pattern gives it an "interconnected network" symbolism of sorts
01:33.17Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Doctrina_Venefica/Second_Term#27.2F4.2F34:_Down_with_Osvernal.21 Dunno who still keeps up to date with Doctrina but shit's popping off
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01:41.37Dinolion92Hi. I created a forum thread for the Alternate Universe Cyrannian and I are creating.
01:41.59Dinolion92If you want to join, feel free to let me know on here, by message, or on the thread
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02:04.40DrodoEmpireHachiman: I've read the first chapters
02:05.02DrodoEmpireBut I don't read nearly as much as I shou;d
02:05.34DrodoEmpire(Sorry for the lateness-- I was *reeeallly* groggy earlier so I sorta flopped down on my bed and half-napped until I felt better)
02:11.46Wormy_Alex Jones and the Fish People https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzNeg9D-EZ4
02:14.05DrodoEmpireAlex Jones is the greatest meme alive
02:14.25DrodoEmpireI'm convinced its all a work
02:14.50DrodoEmpireYou can't simultaneously be that crazy and that successful and business savvy
02:15.12DrodoEmpireIts the same reason I'm almost convinced David Icke is some swiftian mastermind >.<
02:15.22DrodoEmpireCall it my own personal conspiracy theory
02:20.39Wormy_David Icke might be a genuine loon, but yeah Alex Jones obviously embellishes things and must know his products are useless
02:21.02Wormy_But both know they have found a way to make money and popularity #
02:21.18Monet_2Makes sense the'd keep it up
02:22.16Wormy_There's one counter-culture speaker I do think is (was) genuine, but also pretty crazy (yet he knew his ideas were crazy): Terene Mkenna
02:22.51Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna
02:23.59Wormy_He's so cool to listen to; crazy adventures, a strange wrapping of reason and unreason, and yet he knew his stuff and weirdly I find some of what he speaks of echoed by great scientists and philosophers but from a different angle
02:24.20Wormy_He was also ready to call out bullshit and relativism, despite being counter-culture
02:27.30DrodoEmpireHuh
02:27.55DrodoEmpireOh yeah I know of this guy
02:28.01DrodoEmpireFrom you admittedly, but still
02:28.22DrodoEmpireI'm not totally convinced Icke's a loon given how successful he is
02:28.28DrodoEmpireHe seems relatively well spoken too
02:28.40DrodoEmpireNot like some schizophrenic going on a ramble
02:29.03Wormy_Lots of well spoken people are loons.  Its well spoken people you've got to be wary of.
02:29.38DrodoEmpireI dunno...
02:29.39Wormy_But seriously, I can name a long list of academics who took reason to insane levels, sometimes suffering because of it
02:29.50DrodoEmpireI mean, yeah I guess
02:30.06Wormy_Clever people can be nuts
02:30.16DrodoEmpireTrue
02:30.28DrodoEmpireJust not the sort of personality I'd associate with paranoid conspiracies, I guess is what I mean
02:30.41DrodoEmpireA flustering buffoon like Alex Jones is a bit more appropriate
02:30.53DrodoEmpireAt the same time, it might be because he's British
02:30.55DrodoEmpire<.<
02:31.08DrodoEmpireBritish people like that tend to sound smart to dumb Canadian ears
02:31.27Wormy_I mean take Terence Mckenna, an individual who was well read in everything from European history to shamanism, ethnobotany, alchemy, transhumanism...  Incredibly smart and I like his ideas but one has to sharpen their razors and take it with a pinch of salt
02:31.58Wormy_He's the guy who popularised 2012 apocalypse by diving a logarithmic spiral of synchronicity in history from the I Ching
02:32.10Wormy_*divining
02:32.36DrodoEmpireFair enough
02:32.49DrodoEmpireThat might be him being a bit of an eccentric and going out on a limb
02:34.05Monet_2goodnight
02:34.25Wormy_Or maybe he was bewing metaphorical, because while I don't believe his prophesy of eschaton is coming, I sense everything he talks about is in the air:  science, politics and so-on is evolving ever faster, complexity and novelty define our time
02:35.27Wormy_Here's a long series of talks he made I listeed to recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZanOnebJeRA
02:36.14DrodoEmpireAhh
02:39.21Wormy_This is probably the best conversation I listened to on the UFO phenonenon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYJqhMAgOcs
02:40.47Wormy_Mckenna quickly critiques the idea of ET piloting the craft untennable and then starts anakysing the UFO from a Jungian perspective, asking, "what is the UFO actually doing to culture, what forces in the mind are making people see them"
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02:44.08DrodoEmpireThat;'s in interesting perspective
03:11.01Wormy_DrodoEmpire:  Mckenna speaks against the rise of political correctness as far back as the 90's https://youtu.be/psq-gog_L1s?t=1h20m20s
03:12.47DrodoEmpireOh wow
03:13.03DrodoEmpireThough to be fair, that was when it was first seen, and then promptly beaten down by the public
03:13.11DrodoEmpire20 years later the same people are trying again
03:17.10DrodoEmpireWormy_; Speaking of David Icke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwrz0-dnZIA
03:17.16DrodoEmpire^ fire shit right there
03:17.25DrodoEmpire<.<
03:22.23Wormy_I will admit, I've listened to David Icke and find him well spoken.  Intelligent cranks are harder to argue with, and people like that can convince themselves buried under the weight of it sometimes
03:22.43DrodoEmpire^
03:23.09DrodoEmpireI get the feeling he's a sophist in a lot of ways
03:23.40DrodoEmpireNot... crazy, just severely misguided and inculcated into a certain ideology so much he can't really dig himself out
03:23.49DrodoEmpireYou don't need to be crazy for that to happen
03:23.50Wormy_At least Mckenna could reflect on his own crankiness and understood the epistemological game of reason
03:24.14DrodoEmpireOn the contrary, normal people are *more* susceptable to rigid thinking and ideology in my experience
03:24.28Wormy_Yeah
03:24.29DrodoEmpireBecause they're capable of reason, their reasoning can be perverted
03:24.41DrodoEmpireIf you're nuts, you have no reasoning to be twisted against you
03:29.36Wormy_Its the nuts but capable of reason people I find interesting; or really, they are just rationalists.  Sure, healthy people can reason, but not all rationalise everything into their own world-view.  They can be cranky or respected depending on their ideas and circle
03:29.59DrodoEmpireEh I guess
03:30.36Wormy_Some people have become unhealthy doing that, but not all
03:31.01Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._Price
03:32.19DrodoEmpireThat is really tragic
03:32.43Wormy_This guy helped formulate the gene-centric theory of evolution.  He was extremely rational and logical about every idea, but it isolated him.  He became paranoid and wanted to find any way to object to the idea of genes controlling human behaviour.  He converted to Christanity, gave everything he had to the homeless, and then
03:33.30Wormy_it is believed in an ultimate act of free will (or attempted free will), he committed suicide, so he could escape the shadow of his gene's survival mechanisms
03:34.00DrodoEmpireHe thought himself into a corner\
03:34.10DrodoEmpireIts scary, because I do that sometimes
03:34.13DrodoEmpireI'm bad for that
03:44.44Wormy_I have rationalised things to the point of burn-out myself.
03:44.53Wormy_goodnight
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04:27.05Liquid_Ink~seen CharlesBot
04:27.06infoboti haven't seen 'charlesbot', Liquid_Ink
04:27.15Liquid_Ink~seen Charles_Bot
04:27.15infobotcharles_bot <uid94017@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kznqyirwnooxpetg> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 2d 1h 56m 31s ago, saying: 'Hey'.
04:29.40DrodoEmpireHe's away on Steam atm also
04:29.55DrodoEmpireWant me to tell him you've been looking for him?
04:30.20Liquid_InkNah, it's okay
04:30.27DrodoEmpireAlright
04:36.19Liquid_InkThanks for offering
04:36.27DrodoEmpireHey, its no problem
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09:01.28Groxkiller98Heya.
09:01.44Liquid_InkHello
09:03.03Groxkiller98You good?
09:05.35Liquid_InkI good
09:05.42Liquid_InkYou evil?
09:05.57Groxkiller98XD
09:06.00Groxkiller98I'm well.
09:06.30Groxkiller98Thinking of starting a page for the Spirit of Suluan (The Mystic Deity).
09:06.40Liquid_InkNice
09:15.10Groxkiller98The Mystic Energy page really needs updating. XD
09:15.35Liquid_InkYes, I know
09:17.05Groxkiller98:P
09:27.37Groxkiller98http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Spirit_of_Suluan - Could you help me fix her infobox?
09:30.05Groxkiller98Please?
09:31.47Liquid_InkWhat do you need help with?
09:32.13Groxkiller98The stats.
09:32.53Groxkiller98I don't get them. XD
09:33.56Liquid_InkI just ignore them.
09:34.06Groxkiller98Fair enough.
09:34.13Liquid_InkThey serve no real purpose
09:34.27Liquid_InkUnless one of us is secretly turning the 'verse into a video game
09:35.31Groxkiller98XD
09:35.38Groxkiller98I wish I was, to be honest.
09:58.26Groxkiller98Not sure how to write her physical manifestation...
10:00.13Liquid_InkWhat she looks like?
10:01.23Groxkiller98Basically, a golden Teyan with angel wings.
10:02.12Groxkiller98http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/73/Female_Teyan.png/revision/latest?cb=20170116193635 - That's the PNG for a Teyan woman.
10:02.24Liquid_InkI see
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10:46.41GhelaeHello.
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10:50.16Wormy_hi
10:50.32GhelaeHello.
10:52.41Groxkiller98Hey.
10:53.22Groxkiller98Started work on my first Essential. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Spirit_of_Suluan
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11:08.53NeonPandahi all
11:09.53Liquid_InkHey
11:10.58Groxkiller98Hey, Neon.
11:51.23Wormy_I want one of these http://i.imgur.com/HV43aB7.mp4
11:53.11Liquid_InkYeah, cats are pretty cool
12:02.50Wormy_I bring you, WAPTORS ON ICE http://i.imgur.com/3Ot5i7w.mp4
12:03.48OluapPlayerCyrannian goes skiing
12:04.38Liquid_InkAfter that accident, Tyrómairon immediately bans skiing across the Empire out of embrassment.
12:05.52Wormy_lol
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13:12.57NeonPandaaccurate
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14:58.21Groxkiller98Hey.
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15:38.14CyrannianHi
15:39.06NeonPandaI am sorely tempted to use my titanfall fic to make an ANZR mech corps a thing
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15:39.45NeonPandahi
15:39.52NeonPandaI am sorely tempted to use my titanfall fic to make an ANZR mech corps a thing < me half a minute ago
15:40.33NeonPandastill have no idea what to do for the fourth pilot
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16:42.50JepardiHi
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16:49.14Groxkiller98Heya.
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17:12.41dino82_hi
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17:41.22CyrannianOluapPlayer: dino82_: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Great_Cyrannus_War/Opening_Stages - made some updates, take a look
17:43.16OluapPlayerSeen
17:43.31OluapPlayerTemer got blown up
17:44.49Cyrannianyus my blood lust has not yet been sated
17:45.14dino82_oh my
17:45.17dino82_it is a bloodslaughter
18:33.18ImpyDroidWait, they already blew up the Death star?
18:34.00NeonPandawell, Death Stars do have a record of being blown up not long after being introduced
18:41.50OluapPlayerLatetopia
18:43.55NeonPandaI am definitely getting a burrito tomorrow
18:44.02NeonPandathat's my default response when I've been awake too late
19:02.06Wormy_Bush did Death Star II
19:11.22Wormy_its ever so cute when one's dogs start howling
19:46.24Wormy_that's gruesome as hell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_live_animals#Monkey
19:49.48OluapPlayerthat's bananas
19:52.35NeonPandaOluapPlayer: Ookin better watch himself
19:52.49OluapPlayerno eating the monkey
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19:55.21DrodoEmpireHi everyone
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20:01.36Wormy_No monkeying around
20:02.27CyrannianWormy_: Sannakji sounds bloody horrifying
20:03.10DrodoEmpirehttp://i.imgur.com/tAAC935.jpg
20:03.20DrodoEmpireNow I wish time travel to the past were possible <.<
20:05.00Wormy_sounds choking
20:05.05DrodoEmpireJust to fuck with people in like the sixties, go back in ragged survival gear and futuristic looking stuff fortelling of the time in the future where there will only be eight planets
20:05.25DrodoEmpire"PREPARE NOW-- DO NOT MAKE MY TIMELINE'S MISTAKE"
20:06.12Wormy_On a contrary, it might bring Pluto to greater scientific attention, and...
20:07.03Wormy_<PROTECTED>
20:07.05DrodoEmpireIt doesn't have to panic people for long
20:07.19DrodoEmpireAnd judging how shitty science journalism is...
20:07.30DrodoEmpireI'd have plenty of laughs xD
20:07.44DrodoEmpirelmao
20:08.06DrodoEmpire"muck" "soil"
20:08.08DrodoEmpireHow polite
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20:08.52HachimanHello
20:09.04Wormy_reposting for Hachi http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/manure-dumped-on-derby-crown-court-steps-everything-you-need-to-know/story-30063450-detail/story.html
20:09.09Wormy_hi
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20:09.26DrodoEmpireHey Hachi, dino
20:09.34Wormy_hi
20:09.47dino82_hi
20:11.13CyrannianHai
20:16.47Wormy_More pictures and new information http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4127692/Man-arrested-MUCK-sprayed-court-steps.html
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20:17.10DrodoEmpireHi
20:24.32DrodoEmpireVal just made a huge edit to the Krassio page
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20:25.25dino82_I saw!
20:25.28dino82_Val!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
20:25.53DrodoEmpire^
20:26.59Charles_BotHey
20:27.17dino82_hi
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20:28.30Cyrannian~slap OluapPlayer
20:28.31infobotACTION slaps OluapPlayer, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
20:28.53OluapPlayer~eat Cyrannian
20:28.54infobotThat's too disgusting.
20:30.34Wormy_DrodoEmpire:  That kids, is how you protest hur
20:30.50DrodoEmpire^
20:42.06dino82_lol
20:44.27Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/Ww8tzqd.png
20:44.31NeonPandahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhAq3F8NCE I'm sure at least someone here will find this song funny
20:44.58Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/ayRjWoo.png
20:45.31Wormy_funny how we both posted Trek posts
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20:49.37dino82_hi
20:49.42NoXIILarxeneHello...
20:51.36NoXIILarxeneI'm sure you can tell, I'm really new here >.<
20:53.43NeonPandaeverybody was a newbie at one point in time, nothing to be ashamed of
20:54.10NoXIILarxeneI guess so
20:54.39NeonPandaI get really poetic when I haven
20:54.49NeonPanda't slept, I was about to go on about a metaphor about week old baby bunnies
20:56.31NoXIILarxeneSo, this wiki has fictional stuff?
20:58.12NeonPandaThe wiki has two elements, technically speaking: gameplay information relating to Spore directly, and the fictional story universe spawned from the creation engines, but otherwise unrelated beyond a couple of references.
20:58.33NoXIILarxeneOh, okay
20:59.35NoXIILarxeneFor the fiction, is anybody able to join? I read the guidelines but I just want to make sure, since it would be interesting to have my own creations in there
20:59.40dino82_welocme nox!
21:00.20OluapPlayerYes
21:01.16NeonPandaAnyone's able to create, it's once you start planning to interact with established canon that you want to start talking specifics really.
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21:03.14Dinolion92Hi
21:04.39Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/TD9GDrh.jpg
21:05.22NoXIILarxeneAlright, thank you guys
21:05.31Cyrannianhttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/34/Battle_of_Mou%27Cyran.png/revision/latest?cb=20170117210513 - A battle within the Mou'Cyran asteroid field
21:06.08NeonPanday'know, I have to be honest
21:06.21NeonPandaat first, I thought it was really lazy of you that you used star wars designs
21:06.27NeonPandabut nowadays, I just have to respect the commitment to the bit
21:06.38Dinolion92But Star Wars is awesome!
21:07.07Cyrannianhur thank you
21:07.35OluapPlayer"battle for the planet but the planet isn't there anymore"
21:07.46OluapPlayerAnteddy - i want those rocks goddamnit
21:08.25Dinolion92Apollo-Protect those worthless rocks! For the Republic!
21:13.14Dinolion92What is the dumbest thing you've seen somebody do on tv? I once saw a guy backflip off a trampoline onto snow.
21:13.23Dinolion92It was funnier then it sounds.
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21:19.01Wormy_I've seen so many dumb things I can't remember
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21:19.13Dillonator407hello
21:19.18Wormy_hi
21:19.46NoXIILarxeneIs there a Good Starter Example for a fictional empire compared to the Bad one?
21:20.11Wormy_There is, I think.
21:20.35Dillonator407i think the "Good Starter Example" would fulfil that role
21:21.10NoXIILarxeneI didn't see it in the Guidelines, that's why I asked :S
21:21.24Wormy_Try searching for it
21:21.49NoXIILarxeneSearch didn't show it.  Maybe I'm just dumb
21:22.04NoXIILarxeneOh there we go
21:22.08NoXIILarxeneHad to go under "Everything:
21:22.26Wormy_Well, if the page still exists, it should be linked on the Bad Starter page.  Tbh the whole fiction guide is a mess
21:22.45NoXIILarxeneAlright.
21:22.46Dillonator407At least it exists i suppose
21:23.23OluapPlayerI don't see how
21:31.33Dillonator407i'd say the fiction guidelines does its job, as in providing guidelines to fiction and other useful information
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21:32.32Dillonator407hello
21:32.42Wormy_I retract my statement, the guide's been revamped since I last saw it.  I still have some grievances.
21:33.13Dillonator407what are said grievances?
21:33.29OluapPlayerI'm 100% sure you were involved in the revamp
21:33.38OluapPlayerAnd that was years ago
21:34.46TechnobliteratorI wrote the guideline years back, it's improved a lot since I first made it
21:35.07TechnobliteratorIt could be improved further, but I don't think it's too bad now
21:35.17Technobliteratoralso, my last exam is tomorrow :o
21:35.28Dillonator407the page itself has been around for ages, though i think its had many changes
21:35.32Dillonator407i hope you do well
21:35.34Wormy_Some pages need updating, like the inhabitants, mythology and definitely we need a proper history page (although it would be hard to link all the timelines together).  Other than I have a problem with the out of universe guide explaining how we had a massive fallout some years ago.  It
21:35.39Wormy_doesn't sell it to me
21:35.53TechnobliteratorAll Fiction Universe project pages basically need redoing
21:36.21Wormy_And maybe things could be linked better, if people can't find the Good Starter Page from the Bad Starter...  Its a non-starter!
21:36.26OluapPlayerI don't believe the inhabitants page is worth keeping
21:36.37Wormy_Probably not
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21:36.41Wormy_Hi
21:36.45OluapPlayerThere's way too much fiction to catalog
21:36.56GhelaeHello.
21:37.17Dillonator407GSE is linked in the quotes of BSE
21:37.18Wormy_We are discussing ways in which the guide and FU project pages could be improved.
21:37.19Dillonator407hi
21:38.00OluapPlayerI also don't see a History page being feasible, again because there's too much information from too many sources
21:38.25Dillonator407true, its very difficult because of the sheer amount of stuff on the wiki
21:39.11GhelaeThe history project has been abandoned multiple times, I believe. Banelord88's timeline demo, last touched over two years ago, is the closest thing we have.
21:39.22Wormy_I think we might be able to link large events together by setting a scale to mark history from a fixed perspective.
21:39.35Dillonator407i see
21:39.42GhelaeSheer volume of content, and trying to make different calendars compatible, are both quite large problems.
21:39.44Wormy_And use design skills to make it look prettier and easily readable
21:39.50Dillonator407im the least qualified person to talk about history since i havent been part of it yet
21:40.25GhelaeThere are certainly individual significant timelines that work - e.g. galactic timelines, story of humanity - but I think that's as close as we're going to get to a single history canon.
21:40.33Dillonator407yes, i can imagine itd be a nightmare to get everything consistent
21:42.20Wormy_Sure, but the problem is that they are not well linked together as current; and secondly, users who have been here some time are still finding trouble reading about important events like the War of Ages canon (though it doesn't help we begin revamping them, and then not actually getting around to doing it)
21:42.30NoXIILarxeneSorry to butt in... So, I made my little empire page.  What now?
21:42.32Wormy_That's my gripe with it
21:43.22Wormy_I fully agree there are consistency issues, especially dealing with dates and events in people's own timelines
21:43.31Wormy_And the sheer volume
21:43.34Dillonator407yes
21:43.55Dillonator407intergalactic, sometimes interdimensional history is hard to record accurately and consistently
21:44.21Wormy_I don't buy that it's impossible though.  Just hard.
21:44.46Wormy_Probably harder work than anyone wants to do because it isn't fun and we come here for fun, right?
21:45.00Dillonator407NoXIILarxene: Expansion i suppose. Though i'm kinda new so i'm not 100% sure in all honesty
21:45.02Tek0516Any attempt at cataloging a timeline would also require searching the entire fiction database to determine what's even (still) canon
21:45.17OluapPlayerIt is impossible, since not every person here follows the same calendar
21:45.25Dillonator407Im curious as to how important this really is to beginners
21:45.26Wormy_And there's reconciling clashes with perople's timelines
21:45.28GhelaeWormy_: Basically, yes. Not that doing timelines isn't necessarily fun. :P We could have a list of universe-defining events like the War of Ages somewhere, perhaps even on the fictionverse navbox, but we don't need to put them into a timeline.
21:46.03Dillonator407the most i can see coming from this is a series of galactic timelines with a billion links to the events afer short descriptions
21:46.11Tek0516Like one issue we had recently where our previously synchronized time with Cyrannus was now 10-20 years off.
21:46.30Wormy_Yeah, they don't have to be a timeline.  But it does need to be accessible.
21:46.47GhelaeNoXIILarxene: I have two points on style to make. Firstly, it would be good to use second-level headers (==Header== rather than =Header=) on your page; secondly, get rid of the "Overview" header so that the introductory paragraph stands on its own.
21:46.48Dillonator407another issue is the sheer amount of retcons and stuff that seems to happen
21:47.01NoXIILarxeneThank you @Ghelae
21:47.06GhelaeA page that looks like it fits with the rest of the wiki is more likely to keep people reading.
21:47.19NoXIILarxeneI understand, just new to this x3
21:47.48GhelaeDillonator407: Arguably, retcons are an argument in favour of a single timeline, so their effects can all be seen on one page.
21:47.51Dillonator407btw good luck wth your new fiction
21:47.59NoXIILarxeneThank you both
21:48.21Dillonator407true
21:48.41Dillonator407but itd be a nightmare to find anything on a single timeline because of how much stuff there would be on it
21:48.46NoXIILarxeneMy last question is, how should I go about a first contact?  I was thinking of doing a SETI-style thing except that (hopefully) people find it
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21:49.18Dillonator407hi
21:49.22NoXIILarxeneHello Vall
21:49.23Wormy_What I'm arguing for is not necessarily a grand timeline anyway, but a unique and accessible place to find important events in the history of the Gigaquadrant, and it is an important resource further affield for everyone.
21:49.27GhelaeHello.
21:49.45Dillonator407and i'd say first contact is somehting that can be pretty much anything as long as it makes sense
21:49.45Wormy_Hello, is that you Valader?!
21:50.07OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Collaborative_Fiction so you want this
21:50.12VallHey!  Yes I am
21:50.19Wormy_Welcome back
21:51.03VallThank you stopping by to say hello
21:51.05GhelaeNoXIILarxene: Some people do make general transmissions on the UDB (http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Project:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board), but I think it's far more effective to find somebody who's interested in interacting with your fiction and discussing it with them directly. That requires a fleshed-out page, and a plan of what your fiction is like and where they're going.
21:51.20NoXIILarxeneOhhhh, okay
21:51.36NoXIILarxeneSo more direct social stuff, got it
21:51.49VallHow are you guys?
21:52.03NoXIILarxeneI'm doing well :)
21:52.15Dillonator407i'm new and good..in terms of emotion, perhaps not so much writing ability
21:52.45GhelaeOluapPlayer: That is what we want. Perhaps we need to make it more prominent, and it's not clear from the name alone that it's a list of the main recent events of Gigaquandrantic history.
21:52.57CyrannianHello Val! Good to see you back!
21:52.57Wormy_Oluap: That's a good start, yeah, since at least it is restricted to major events per galaxy.  But it still looks difficult to navigate
21:53.15OluapPlayerI really don't see how
21:53.27OluapPlayeru need to grow ur little baby brain a bit m8
21:53.32Dillonator407also, i never saw a link to that ever so its not very easy to find
21:53.44OluapPlayerThere's a link to it in the main Fictionverse page
21:54.41GhelaeWormy_: It could be better emphasised that parts of the Xhodocto saga - WoA and Annihilation in particular - are truly universe-shaping events, but otherwise I don't think it's too bad.
21:54.51VallHello Cyrannian!!
21:54.52Wormy_I say we set a good schema about how the events of the fiction universe are inexorably tied together, either as a written page; or something graphical.
21:55.56Ghelaehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Collaborative_Fiction - That page has three links to it, and none of them say what the page is about. They all look like it's *about* collaborative fiction in general, not a list of major collaborative fictional stories and events.
21:58.01GhelaeRelated to the topic of the uselessness of the history pages, I don't think most of the inhabitants pages see much use either.
21:58.37Dillonator407agreed there
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21:58.56HachimanHello again
21:59.08GhelaeHello.
22:00.42Wormy_Maybe we could have a main Gigaquadrant history to set the scale, then have a section for themes and subthemes, almost database-like, where everything is normalised into smaller and smaller categories.  That way people can follow what they are interested in
22:01.04Dillonator407brb
22:01.29Wormy_So we can have timelines for pages like "Story of Humanity", but it would be found along a branch that leads back to the main history page
22:01.58GhelaeSo would the main page be like a timeline (or just a history) of intergalactic and intergalactically-relevant events?
22:02.58Wormy_That could be one way, or another could be to identify themes to categorise the events.  Some themes are very prominent, like humanity
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22:04.16Dillonator407I'm back, current topic still fiction guideline stuff?
22:04.41Wormy_yep
22:05.05GhelaeSo that's more like a database of individual timelines.
22:05.32Wormy_I am thinking of a database, ultimately yes
22:05.42Wormy_a relational database
22:06.02Wormy_Though obviously not one we can manipulate
22:06.02Dillonator407I guess we need a way of compressing a huge amount of information into an accessible format
22:06.57Wormy_Yes, the idea would be to reduce redundant data (i.e., links, or only partially related events) from pages where it might not be necessary
22:07.25Wormy_While at the same time making it very obvious where to retreive the information you want
22:07.37Wormy_Then individual pages could go into detail
22:07.43Dillonator407I see
22:07.46Wormy_Like Story of Humanity
22:08.06Wormy_At presents its very hard to see what events are most revevant on a galactic scale
22:08.14Dillonator407True
22:08.19TechnobliteratorVall: hihi :o
22:08.20Dillonator407Or indeed a universal scale
22:08.33VallHello
22:08.35Wormy_*retrieve
22:08.37dino82_bye bye
22:08.46Dillonator407Bye
22:08.52TechnobliteratorHow are things? :o
22:09.15Dillonator407If we are making a database, I must ask, does anyone here know how to create that kind of thing? I certainly don't
22:09.44Wormy_Me and Tek are probably most experienced in that field
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22:10.14VallGood good,  how about here?
22:10.18Dillonator407Of course I pressed a button on the top bar thingy...
22:10.28Wormy_Me and Tek are learning / have learned database design.  Of course I'm only thinkig of taking a very general idea of it
22:10.30TechnobliteratorI'm pretty good
22:10.33Technobliteratorlast exam tomorrow \o/
22:10.42TechnobliteratorWormy_, SQL databases?
22:10.51GhelaeI'm not expecting an actual database. In fact, I'm really thinking of a list of links to timeline pages, perhaps with a summary of major pan-Gigaquadrantic events on top. But if people want to make a database, that's good too.
22:10.55Wormy_We wouldn't actually be able to build a true relational database
22:10.59HachimanWhat is all this geek talk
22:11.03Wormy_Techno:  yeah
22:11.08Technobliteratoroh, I'm studying that soon
22:11.14Dillonator407Just a facade that looks and functions as close as possible? I'd say that's good enough for our purposes
22:11.24TechnobliteratorAlso, Wikia/Fandom have talked about making their own kind of database before as well
22:11.37TechnobliteratorSo it may not be as unfeasible as you think
22:11.49Wormy_So we'd be able to do database msnipulation on the wiki?
22:11.51Cyrannianbrb
22:12.06Wormy_(the semantic forms kind of work like that already)
22:12.08TechnobliteratorWe'd be able to set up our own, yup
22:12.10Dillonator407I think our hardest challenge is finishing the thing without getting halfway then moving to other stuff
22:12.14Technobliteratoryeah, it's to replace semantic forms
22:12.50Wormy_Thatwould revolutionise how we could clean up links and categories
22:13.06Wormy_And if we could edit information on pages like that...
22:13.22Dillonator407I take it that'd be a useful function to have
22:13.31Wormy_no more editing sprees
22:13.37TechnobliteratorI am really excited about it
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22:14.18GhelaeHello.
22:14.19DrodoEmpireBack >.<
22:14.22DrodoEmpireHey
22:14.37Dillonator407Hi drodo
22:14.44DrodoEmpireHey
22:14.53Wormy_That's one thing Wikia is planning I can actually agree with.
22:15.20Dillonator407I have no clue of any plans of that sort as I'm ignorant on such matters
22:15.42Wormy_It will all come to you in time
22:16.38Dillonator407Perhaps
22:17.01TechnobliteratorI can only really comment on what they mentioned publicly
22:17.13Technobliteratorbut I can say that from seeing the rest, I am excited about it
22:19.23DrodoEmpireWhat's all this about?
22:20.13Dillonator407Databases
22:20.25Dillonator407As a result of a previous discussion about fiction guidelines
22:20.27DrodoEmpireYou'll need to be more specific >.<
22:20.36Wormy_First a talk about how to improve the accessibility of historical events in the SporeWikiverse, a suggestion to make such a page database-like, and then Jo announcing that Wikia have plans to publish a database update.
22:20.42DrodoEmpireAhh
22:20.47Dillonator407^
22:20.50Dillonator407^
22:20.58Dillonator407Oops didn't see I sent it only meant one
22:21.18Wormy_Also, if we made a database-like page, I think we should design it to look nice
22:21.44Wormy_I'm not sure how for the time being
22:21.47Dillonator407Yes
22:22.12DrodoEmpireMe neither
22:22.18Dillonator407It needs to look interesting and not like an incomprehensible lump of links I guess
22:22.24Dillonator407But style if far from my expertise
22:22.28DrodoEmpireCharles is pretty good at making nice layouts, a few others are too
22:22.38DrodoEmpireSo maybe we get Tech, Charles, and a few others on that case
22:22.58Wormy_I've seen graphlike templates on different wikis but haven't experimented with them
22:23.04Dillonator407If they are best qualified then I agree that they should handle that particular portion of this project
22:26.08Wormy_To be honest I probably shouldn't have brouhht this up, as I'm sick of databases.  I just see their potential utility on a wiki.
22:26.27Wormy_Maybe they've infected my mind
22:26.55Dillonator407I had no idea they were contagious
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22:27.30ImpyDroidHi
22:27.33Dillonator407Hi
22:27.37GhelaeHi
22:27.41ImpyDroidOhi Vall
22:27.45Wormy_Nor did I
22:27.47Wormy_hi
22:27.58ImpyDroidI presume you are THE Val?
22:28.15GhelaeI feel like there's an incredible pun to be made with databases and contagiousness but I haven't the faintest idea what it could be.
22:28.21ImpyDroidAs in the good ol' devout Mexican psychic crocodile?
22:28.36Dillonator407Anything can be made into a pun
22:28.56VallI'm the one
22:29.03NoXIILarxeneI hope I didn't make a food out of myself
22:29.05NoXIILarxenefool*
22:29.07NoXIILarxeneLike that
22:29.25Dillonator407Vall: your name reminds me of an icy moon from a game now
22:29.26ImpyDroidOoh
22:29.39ImpyDroidI wish I could talk but unfortunately exams are due tomorrow
22:29.43DrodoEmpireHey Val!
22:29.48DrodoEmpireNah its cool NoX
22:30.03ImpyDroidDillonator407: Don't you dare talk shit of our great founder
22:30.09NoXIILarxeneThanks Drodo
22:31.13Dillonator407I'm not saying Val IS an icy moon, just Vall is literally the name of an icy moon from a game. The actual Val I somewhat remember from wiki surfing ages ago
22:31.23Wormy_Vall:  How are you doing anyway?
22:32.22ImpyDroidYeah how have been things
22:33.36VallI'm great thank you guys!
22:33.47Wormy_Good
22:34.01VallHow's everything around here?
22:34.14NoXIILarxeneFrom what I've seen, it looks good ^^
22:34.25DrodoEmpirePretty good, gotta say
22:34.34DrodoEmpire2820 in-fiction years
22:34.44DrodoEmpireA few new faces too
22:34.44Wormy_Vall:  A bit slower than we used to be, but fiction is still happening
22:35.02NoXIILarxeneI can imagine since the game is so old
22:35.17Dillonator407Yep pretty old
22:35.26Wormy_Not many of us are avid Spore players anymore
22:35.36VallThat's great,  I hope I'm able to stay with you guys now
22:35.42Wormy_yay!
22:35.59Dillonator407I'm a very bad spore player, I hope that doesn't show too much in my fiction though
22:36.09VallThe only problem might be time connections
22:36.21NoXIILarxeneDillonator, I haven't played in years :P
22:36.23VallSince you guys are mostly asleep when I connect lol
22:36.45VallI just recently installed Spore again
22:36.49Dillonator407It's like 9:36am where I am- hurray for unusual time zones
22:37.09VallIts 4:36pm here
22:37.26Dillonator407NoXIILarxene: I've played it a lot lately. And have had it forever, but I'm still bad at it
22:37.31Dillonator407Interesting
22:37.38NoXIILarxeneAhhhh. I haven't played yet, just made my ant-plant guys
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22:37.44Wormy_~seen Xho
22:37.49infobotxho <97e6a92b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.230.169.43> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 23h 18m 58s ago, saying: 'yeh bwoi'.
22:37.58VallBtw Dillonator,  are you new?
22:37.58Wormy_lol
22:38.04Wormy_hi
22:38.10Dillonator407I have ant people, not ant-plants
22:38.14Dillonator407Yes extremely so
22:38.31TybusenHello
22:38.34VallHello
22:38.37Dillonator407Hi
22:38.38VallOh wow
22:38.45VallHow did you got to Spore wiki?
22:38.54GhelaeHello.
22:39.22Dillonator407I found it ages ago when looking for standard info, ran into the fiction universe, and proceeded to lurk for ages until very recently
22:40.08Dillonator407Then I decided what the heck and actually made fiction
22:40.10VallNice!
22:40.24VallThat sure brings up memories
22:40.51VallI got here reading about the Natrian Empire
22:41.02Dillonator407I've never heard of that in all honesty
22:41.09VallOne of the first
22:41.15Wormy_Natrian Empire and the Naucean, for me
22:41.34VallHe was doing a nice database of his creatures
22:41.54Wormy_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Introi/Natrian_Empire
22:42.03TybusenJovar was the one who got me into fiction
22:42.19OluapPlayerPrehistorical-tier
22:42.22Dillonator407Interesting
22:42.34VallYeah
22:43.04VallWhen I signed up,  I role played on his talk page,  pretending to be a Civatron
22:43.16Dillonator407I can vaguely remember either some war involving the universe almost getting destroyed, that ancient G8 page (don't ask me why) and the DCP page being amongst the first I found
22:43.17Dillonator407I see
22:43.19VallNo answer ever came lol
22:43.31VallHe was long gone I presume
22:43.47VallAah
22:43.54VallThe great eight!
22:44.08Dillonator407From forever ago
22:44.15Wormy_No-one seems to have asked Introi to add their links to the infobox http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Introi/Natrian_Empire?action=history
22:44.52Wormy_:is it part of the fiction universe, is it not?
22:45.05OluapPlayerClearly not
22:45.08Dillonator407At the time it had those evil guys and the something crusade....it was forever ago
22:45.16VallI believe they were added as a tier empire
22:45.20OluapPlayerMaasari Crusade
22:45.24VallAh
22:45.27Dillonator407Yes that's it
22:45.50Dillonator407Who I inevitably got mixed up with the Massassi somewhat
22:45.51OluapPlayerAnd evil guys are probably the Xhodocto
22:45.58VallYeah
22:46.11TybusenClassic holyrats
22:46.14VallThe only bad guys at that time (?)
22:46.31Wormy_It could be considered an extinxt empire I suppose http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Introi/Natrian_Empire/Members
22:46.46Wormy_"Add your name if you wish to join:"
22:46.48Dillonator407Honestly at the time I tried to make a kind of base for an empire to eventually make into a fiction
22:46.53Wormy_So people did
22:47.02VallIt doesn't say how right?
22:47.17Dillonator407But me being me, I kept changing my ideas at the last second...so yeah it took me years to actually make one
22:47.22OluapPlayerYes the Introi Empire was open and kind of a mess
22:47.22Dillonator407That looks interesting
22:47.30OluapPlayerIt was all good though since we were all literally children
22:47.48VallIf there is no explanation to their downfall,  the Second Coming might be the one
22:47.57Wormy_Oluap:  I agree
22:48.07OluapPlayerThey were never part of the fictionverse proper to begin with
22:48.09Dillonator407Ah the second coming...I think that'd be the war I was talking about actually...
22:48.12OluapPlayerIntroi Empire predates the War of Ages
22:48.13Wormy_Also this creature looks like a yellow pepe http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/9e/Suratean.png/revision/latest?cb=20080930235746
22:48.22VallI was sixteen at the time.. Wow
22:48.36Dillonator407I was...young at th  time
22:48.38Dillonator407And still kinda am
22:49.01Dillonator407But I try to at least seem mature I guess
22:49.09VallWe all are somehow lol
22:49.21Dillonator407I seeee
22:51.16Dillonator407This wiki has been around for ages
22:51.42VallAnyhow, we could say the Introi were my inspiration :p
22:51.51VallYeah
22:52.14Dillonator407My inspiration was...umm....everything I guess
22:53.21Wormy_Since 2006 I think
22:53.53Tybusen2006 when the game was first announced, then a big surge of activity in 2009 when the game actually came out
22:53.58Dillonator407So...ten years then? Or 11? My math isn't good on the spot
22:54.04Dillonator407Ah
22:54.19Wormy_I don't think anyone from the 2006 toi early 208 era remains active here
22:54.27Dillonator407I see
22:54.36Wormy_Me, Val, Impy, Oluap joined in 2008
22:54.39TybusenThe modern fiction community here started in 2009 with Xho and Vall
22:54.53TybusenWar of Ages and all that
22:54.58OluapPlayerI am the eldest
22:54.59Wormy_Arguably the Seven Starr Alliance had a lot to do with it too!
22:54.59Dillonator407Ah the war of ages
22:55.12Dillonator407I'm glad my empire didn't have the face demonic monsters like that just yet
22:55.17Dillonator407*to face
22:55.21Dillonator407True
22:55.35VallYep the Seven Starr Alliance was the first collab fiction I saw actually
22:55.45DrodoEmpirePersonally I was excited for the reboot as I had plans for like a Drodo expeditionary force
22:55.51VallLol,  my fiction got devastated by them
22:56.08Dillonator407The whole universe did if I remember right
22:56.12DrodoEmpireBecause there's nothing cooler than sabre-swinging Drodo cavalrymen charging into a horde of demonic horrors
22:56.26VallLol
22:56.30Wormy_Drodo:  Would be great to see
22:56.50Dillonator407My empire would just get stomped on by such demons at this stage....one day....maybe...we can...beat one of them....probably not
22:56.54VallIn a jungle world
22:57.12VallThe demons used to be weaker then
22:57.30Dillonator407True they weren't quite as invincible I guess
22:57.40DrodoEmpireThey had a lot of grunts too
22:57.46Dillonator407And that was back when basically every empire tended to start out rather gigantic I guess....
22:57.58Wormy_I'm slowly writing the http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:War_of_Ages/Tigris_War/The_Great_Expedition with some others, about how the SSA entered WoA
22:57.59TybusenBack then everyone had a galaxy pretty much
22:58.16Wormy_SSA-Krassio first contact would be cool
22:58.17DrodoEmpireYeah I think the expeditionary force was basically a few hundred thousand/million volunteers, mostly infantry and cav and some armour
22:58.30Dinolion92Can a new user just join the universe?
22:58.36Dinolion92My friend is thinking about joining
22:58.40DrodoEmpireOh of course
22:58.44Dinolion92Thanks
22:58.45Dillonator407I'm half jealous of not having my own galaxy and half glad because I know how that'd end
22:58.51VallInteresting!
22:58.51DrodoEmpire^
22:58.51Dillonator407Yep basically
22:58.55DrodoEmpireIt was a bigass issue
22:59.16VallYeah
22:59.26DrodoEmpireA lot of the infantry in particular had basically WWI gear-- a uniform, steel helmet/felt cap, though mercifully an up-to-date assault rifle, with a nice big sword-bayonet on the end
22:59.31Dillonator407I should point out that even if the Xhodocfo were awake
22:59.34Dillonator407*aeaker
22:59.38Dillonator407*weaker
22:59.41Dillonator407They still wiped out half the universe
22:59.43OluapPlayerXhodocto - what the fuck is this, a circus
22:59.45VallMaybe they could join forces against the Xhodies
23:00.04DrodoEmpireOthers had battle armour, and the cav were obviously spectacular-- I think there was at least one brigade of Cuirassiers
23:00.19DrodoEmpireDillonator: Yeah
23:00.23Dillonator407Were they very effective?
23:00.31DrodoEmpireWhat, the Cuirassiers?
23:00.37DrodoEmpireOr the Drodo in general?
23:00.44Dillonator407Hmmmm both
23:00.51DrodoEmpireRight
23:00.54OluapPlayerdrodo suk cus they got no model
23:00.57DrodoEmpire>:
23:00.59DrodoEmpirebut they do tho
23:01.02OluapPlayerliteral race of >mfw i have no face
23:01.14Cyrannianback
23:01.20Dillonator407Welcome back
23:01.25Dinolion92Hi
23:01.30OluapPlayerBegone foul entity
23:01.33DrodoEmpireWell, at this point the Drodo were less advanced, but they still had good firearms and probably also access to more advanced tech
23:01.42Dillonator407I see
23:01.50Dillonator407My race....wasn't spacefaring I believe at that time
23:02.01CyrannianI remember joining the Introi Empire, though I didn't interact with anyone through it
23:02.25OluapPlayer2008 me was so annoying, I hate reading what I wrote at the time
23:02.26VallGotta go guys,  I lit my notifications in case you want to contact me on the wiki
23:02.31DrodoEmpirekk
23:02.33VallSee you around!
23:02.35Dillonator407I noticed capricornian in its member list thingy
23:02.35CyrannianBye Val!
23:02.38Dillonator407See you nice talk
23:02.58OluapPlayerI kept trying to make everything around myself
23:03.07Dillonator407What did you write at the time?.
23:03.08Dillonator407Ah
23:03.17Wormy_Bye Vall
23:03.25OluapPlayerI still do that but at least I'm subtle about it hoh
23:03.46Dillonator407My fiction style remains mostly unknown because I haven't written any fully yet
23:04.19DrodoEmpireThe Cuirassiers, being heavy cavalry, would've been used to crash through enemy ranks and terrigy the enemy
23:04.22DrodoEmpire*terrify
23:04.32DrodoEmpireFor that, yeah they'd be effective at cutting down grunts at the very least
23:04.42Dillonator407I see makes sense
23:05.45Dillonator407I see you based your cavalry off of modernish I think cavalry
23:06.26DrodoEmpireEhh
23:06.38TybusenI kind of feel bad for having the Levisala troll those new guys as their first contact with another species
23:06.52DrodoEmpireGenerally speaking, the Drodo cavalry are based heavily off of the napoleonic doctrine and style
23:07.09Dillonator407ah that's the word I was looking for
23:07.26Dillonator407More modern than say medieval cavalry or ancient cavalry
23:07.30DrodoEmpireYeah
23:07.42DrodoEmpireMore elite units have very opulent uniforms that they wear into battle even
23:07.58Dillonator407I should totally base my cavalry off of ancient cavalry if I get any
23:08.00Dillonator407I see
23:08.20DrodoEmpireThough, most have a more conservative kit... Which still makes them pretty spectacular relatively-speaking >.<
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23:08.35Dillonator407I guess my guys may get fairly elaborate uniforms for elite units...given the culture
23:08.40DrodoEmpireHey Monet
23:08.43DrodoEmpireIt'd make sense
23:08.46Dillonator407Hi
23:08.47Monethi
23:08.58Dillonator407What weapons are effective against cavalry actually? Do I need futuristic energy spears?
23:09.19Tybusenhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#Intelligent_Life_Search_Seeks_Life is anyone willing to make sure the Levisala don't ruin these guys' first contact
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23:10.11Dillonator407Hi
23:10.30Liquid_InkHello
23:10.36Dillonator407For some reason I'm now tempted to do something on the UDB just so my emojre has a thing to indicate its existence
23:11.05Technobliteratorcool, I will respond with a traditional Loron troll comment
23:11.17DrodoEmpireDillonator: Well, the Drodo cavalry use shielding that can block a lot of small arms shots
23:11.31TybusenAnd I'll follow that with a Levisala troll comment
23:11.35Dillonator407Otherwise they would be outclassed I'd imagine
23:11.40DrodoEmpireExactly
23:11.48Dillonator407And I'll just send idk
23:11.50Dillonator407Something maybe
23:11.52DrodoEmpireSo generally speaking, hosing the incoming horsemen in automatic fire won't actually do much
23:12.08Dillonator407Does artillery work?
23:12.12DrodoEmpireArtillery and other heavy weapons like that are more menacing yeah
23:12.20DrodoEmpireAlso-- other cavalry
23:12.35DrodoEmpireCavalry battles would be pretty costly to both sides
23:12.36Dillonator407Ah
23:12.44Dillonator407I'll have to get my own cavalry
23:12.53Dillonator407What about say mines?
23:13.09DrodoEmpireThe Drodo could definitely train some regiments, or provide horses
23:13.22DrodoEmpireThey'd be effective, by virtue of blowing everything else up
23:13.23DrodoEmpire:p
23:13.33Dillonator407That'd be helpful
23:13.36DrodoEmpireBut landmines are by their nature defensive
23:13.41Dillonator407Of course, I do have a semi-equivalent to a horse
23:13.49DrodoEmpireRite
23:13.55DrodoEmpireThe Drodo use robohorses is the thing
23:13.59Dillonator407*invents offensive mine-launcher artillery*
23:14.02DrodoEmpirehur
23:14.18DrodoEmpireSo its a matter of comparing the two's capabilities I guess\
23:14.57Dillonator407Yeah true
23:15.39Dillonator407Mkne are probably slower but more bulky and can carry more stuff I suppose
23:15.44Dillonator407*mine
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23:16.40DrodoEmpire_ffs
23:16.59Dillonator407Did it freeze on you or something?
23:17.12MonetI was thinking how one might fire an armed mine without detonating the launcher but I guess there could be a timer.
23:17.24DrodoEmpire_The whole thing closed weirdly
23:17.32Dillonator407Oh wow
23:17.36Dillonator407Now I've just got to make mine artillery
23:18.16DrodoEmpire_It'd certainly make deploying the mines quicker
23:19.03MonetBut by the sounds of it, a minelauncher artillery aimed at oncoming cavalry could just as easily be a grenade launcher.
23:19.05Dillonator407maybe it'd be useful for sieges or something idk if those even happen
23:19.18Dillonator407True
23:19.57Dillonator407Maybe you could adjust it
23:20.05DrodoEmpire_Yeah a grenade launcher is what you'd have
23:20.15Dillonator407To be like a shell that explodes on impact, or after a timer, or when it detects an opponent nearby idk
23:20.33Dillonator407Maybe the solution to cavalry is to give infantry giant energy pikes
23:20.38DrodoEmpire_hur maybe
23:20.53DrodoEmpire_Then the cav would have to use a scifi caracole to try and break up the formation <.<
23:21.14Dillonator407Hmmm my infantry do have rocket launchers as an under barrel attachment...would that be any help?
23:21.30MonetWait what
23:21.45MonetWhat about the backblast?
23:21.48Dillonator407What to what?
23:21.50Monetof such a tool
23:21.56Dillonator407It's a pretty small rocket
23:22.06Dillonator407It gets shot out of the weapon normally
23:22.15Dillonator407Then activates the actual rocket once at a safe distance
23:22.30Monethttp://archive.defense.gov/dodcmsshare/WeekInPhotos/2014-10/hires_141002-M-RB959-028a.jpg what's going on at the back
23:22.54Dillonator407A lot of backblast
23:23.24MonetSomething of a necessity if your ammunition has its own form of propulsion.
23:23.35Dillonator407True
23:24.14Dillonator407Of course, I wasn't thinking overly much of the exact practical nature of exactly how the weapon works
23:24.21Dillonator407This is after all a science fiction universe
23:24.37GhelaeSo you're saying it fires the rocket like a bullet and then after, say, half a second, the actual rocket engine activates?
23:25.11DrodoEmpire_Well yeah if its like a 40mm grenade, only with extra propellant then basically you have an underslung RPG-7
23:25.11Dillonator407I guess so yeah
23:25.27DrodoEmpire_*POP* *WHOOSH*
23:25.29DrodoEmpire_*BOOOM*
23:25.35DrodoEmpire_<.<
23:25.37Dillonator407It's not designed to take our vehicles not quite that large or powerful
23:25.47Dillonator407*out
23:26.04Dillonator407We have other giant rifles with delayed rocket fire for that
23:26.43MonetSo the underslung rocket launcher is primarily anti-infantry?
23:27.01Dillonator407I guess it's for taking out light cover and such
23:27.36Dillonator407Or more heavily protected infantry
23:28.02MonetA grenade launcher gives you an arc if we're talking blowing out cover. But it -might- work if you want to clear out a building
23:29.41Dillonator407Honestly, it's kind of a holdover for my species
23:29.49Dillonator407If that makes any sense
23:30.13MonetYou might need to explain
23:30.34Dillonator407Initially, rocket based siege weapons dominated their history rather than cannons
23:30.43Dillonator407It took a lot longer to develop bullet based weaponry
23:31.19Dillonator407When it was developed, many still preferred having rockets out of familiarity and their explosive power
23:31.39Dillonator407So when attachments became possible, under barrel rockets become relatively common
23:32.15Dillonator407Because grenade launchers were never used significantly as it was seen as just a complex way of throwing a grenade
23:32.49Dillonator407Not to say that that was a good idea to avoid using them, just that that is what happened
23:33.51Dillonator407That is my long justification for why under barrel rocket launchers are used
23:34.05Dillonator407The actual reason is of course "because it seemed cool"
23:35.14Dillonator407And because I have fond memories of wrist rockets from a game
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23:38.07Dillonator407Hello
23:39.55Cyrannian_Hi
23:40.09Dillonator407Now that I think about it, I probably could've just said that the weapons are designs to handle the back last and send it out the side or something....
23:43.35Dillonator407Gtg
23:45.24GhelaeDefinitely don't do that. Stop the backblast from going in the opposite direction to the rocket and you end up with huge recoil instead.
23:51.04Tek0516That's the answer to a lot of "make the weapon more powerful" ideas, isn't it. Damn Newton and his third law. :P
23:52.11TybusenAlternatively, you could just invent a device to form a localized wormhole and send all of the recoil through that insteaad
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23:54.33NoXIILarxeneGreetings!
23:54.34Tek0516I was about to mention that that is why so much sci-fi relies on violating conservation of momentum and energy. :P
23:56.10HachimanSo, a woman in India has recently had an operation to remove approximately 150 parasitic worms that were living in her stomach
23:56.17NoXIILarxeneEW
23:56.24NoXIILarxeneI just ate supper too
23:56.35OluapPlayerWe are Legion for we are many
23:56.36Tek0516O.o
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23:58.51InsomniariosHachiman: Don't let them grow into Xenomorps
23:59.16Tybusenxenomorps

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