00:01.40 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: I just realised something |
00:01.42 | Imperios | >Timonax is a fair-skinned Epirote who, while of only average height for an ancient Greek man, is well-built after years on campaign. |
00:01.50 | Imperios | There were fair-skinned Greek people? |
00:01.54 | Imperios | Or is it like relative? |
00:24.01 | DrodoEmpire | Sorta-relative, but I think more olive-skinned Greeks is a slightly newer thing |
00:24.33 | DrodoEmpire | Plus he's from like northern Greece-- its quite possible he's partially Illyrian or Celt |
00:28.47 | Imperios | Ah |
00:29.11 | Imperios | So he's like a pale Greek |
00:29.15 | Imperios | Greeker |
00:29.19 | Imperios | Gracker |
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00:30.39 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
00:30.49 | DrodoEmpire | Relatively speaking yes |
00:31.34 | DrodoEmpire | He'd probably still be tanned at the very least from long marches in sunny, arid regions |
00:32.33 | Monet_2 | He be very bronze |
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00:35.52 | dinolion92 | Hi |
00:36.51 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
00:39.48 | dinolion92 | Hi |
00:41.23 | dinolion92 | Anything interesting going on here. |
00:43.27 | DrodoEmpire | I'm eating, so not on my end |
00:43.55 | dinolion92 | I spent the day doing the recycling and cleaning, so I'm kind of bored to. |
00:48.41 | dinolion92 | If someone made a strategy game like Empire Total War, Civ 5, or Europa Universalis IV, but with the fictions of the gigaquadrant, what would you play as? I'd play as the New Cyrannian Republic or Galactic Empire of Cyrannus |
00:52.10 | DrodoEmpire | Probably as the Drodo <.< |
00:52.20 | dinolion92 | Of course, :) |
00:52.38 | DrodoEmpire | I've floated the idea of a Stellaris mod |
00:53.36 | DrodoEmpire | I've also attempted work on an EUIV mod, which was... I'd say 40% done until I got frustrated by constant updates putting my back at square one |
00:53.41 | DrodoEmpire | *me |
00:53.49 | dinolion92 | I know how to mod, but I simply don't have the time to make a mod of that scale. Also, if someone made one like that, they really should do these wonderful creations justice. |
00:53.58 | DrodoEmpire | I tried |
00:54.08 | DrodoEmpire | And, yeah, that was back when I had more time on my hands |
00:54.49 | dinolion92 | I can mod Empire at War, but not on the scale to make entirely new factions. Perhaps a GCW mod could work...But again, I'm not sure I could do it justice. |
00:54.57 | dinolion92 | Still, it would be cool. |
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01:05.29 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
01:05.49 | Tybusen | Hello |
01:15.59 | Imperios | Hi |
01:16.21 | Imperios | Tybusen: Did you get my Skype message? |
01:16.31 | Tybusen | Aye |
01:16.38 | Tybusen | Flag looks good, I like it |
01:19.18 | Tybusen | The starburst shape in the center looks good and fits with them being based in a nebula, and the hexagon pattern gives it an "interconnected network" symbolism of sorts |
01:33.17 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Doctrina_Venefica/Second_Term#27.2F4.2F34:_Down_with_Osvernal.21 Dunno who still keeps up to date with Doctrina but shit's popping off |
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01:41.37 | Dinolion92 | Hi. I created a forum thread for the Alternate Universe Cyrannian and I are creating. |
01:41.59 | Dinolion92 | If you want to join, feel free to let me know on here, by message, or on the thread |
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02:04.40 | DrodoEmpire | Hachiman: I've read the first chapters |
02:05.02 | DrodoEmpire | But I don't read nearly as much as I shou;d |
02:05.34 | DrodoEmpire | (Sorry for the lateness-- I was *reeeallly* groggy earlier so I sorta flopped down on my bed and half-napped until I felt better) |
02:11.46 | Wormy_ | Alex Jones and the Fish People https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzNeg9D-EZ4 |
02:14.05 | DrodoEmpire | Alex Jones is the greatest meme alive |
02:14.25 | DrodoEmpire | I'm convinced its all a work |
02:14.50 | DrodoEmpire | You can't simultaneously be that crazy and that successful and business savvy |
02:15.12 | DrodoEmpire | Its the same reason I'm almost convinced David Icke is some swiftian mastermind >.< |
02:15.22 | DrodoEmpire | Call it my own personal conspiracy theory |
02:20.39 | Wormy_ | David Icke might be a genuine loon, but yeah Alex Jones obviously embellishes things and must know his products are useless |
02:21.02 | Wormy_ | But both know they have found a way to make money and popularity # |
02:21.18 | Monet_2 | Makes sense the'd keep it up |
02:22.16 | Wormy_ | There's one counter-culture speaker I do think is (was) genuine, but also pretty crazy (yet he knew his ideas were crazy): Terene Mkenna |
02:22.51 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna |
02:23.59 | Wormy_ | He's so cool to listen to; crazy adventures, a strange wrapping of reason and unreason, and yet he knew his stuff and weirdly I find some of what he speaks of echoed by great scientists and philosophers but from a different angle |
02:24.20 | Wormy_ | He was also ready to call out bullshit and relativism, despite being counter-culture |
02:27.30 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
02:27.55 | DrodoEmpire | Oh yeah I know of this guy |
02:28.01 | DrodoEmpire | From you admittedly, but still |
02:28.22 | DrodoEmpire | I'm not totally convinced Icke's a loon given how successful he is |
02:28.28 | DrodoEmpire | He seems relatively well spoken too |
02:28.40 | DrodoEmpire | Not like some schizophrenic going on a ramble |
02:29.03 | Wormy_ | Lots of well spoken people are loons. Its well spoken people you've got to be wary of. |
02:29.38 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno... |
02:29.39 | Wormy_ | But seriously, I can name a long list of academics who took reason to insane levels, sometimes suffering because of it |
02:29.50 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, yeah I guess |
02:30.06 | Wormy_ | Clever people can be nuts |
02:30.16 | DrodoEmpire | True |
02:30.28 | DrodoEmpire | Just not the sort of personality I'd associate with paranoid conspiracies, I guess is what I mean |
02:30.41 | DrodoEmpire | A flustering buffoon like Alex Jones is a bit more appropriate |
02:30.53 | DrodoEmpire | At the same time, it might be because he's British |
02:30.55 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
02:31.08 | DrodoEmpire | British people like that tend to sound smart to dumb Canadian ears |
02:31.27 | Wormy_ | I mean take Terence Mckenna, an individual who was well read in everything from European history to shamanism, ethnobotany, alchemy, transhumanism... Incredibly smart and I like his ideas but one has to sharpen their razors and take it with a pinch of salt |
02:31.58 | Wormy_ | He's the guy who popularised 2012 apocalypse by diving a logarithmic spiral of synchronicity in history from the I Ching |
02:32.10 | Wormy_ | *divining |
02:32.36 | DrodoEmpire | Fair enough |
02:32.49 | DrodoEmpire | That might be him being a bit of an eccentric and going out on a limb |
02:34.05 | Monet_2 | goodnight |
02:34.25 | Wormy_ | Or maybe he was bewing metaphorical, because while I don't believe his prophesy of eschaton is coming, I sense everything he talks about is in the air: science, politics and so-on is evolving ever faster, complexity and novelty define our time |
02:35.27 | Wormy_ | Here's a long series of talks he made I listeed to recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZanOnebJeRA |
02:36.14 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
02:39.21 | Wormy_ | This is probably the best conversation I listened to on the UFO phenonenon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYJqhMAgOcs |
02:40.47 | Wormy_ | Mckenna quickly critiques the idea of ET piloting the craft untennable and then starts anakysing the UFO from a Jungian perspective, asking, "what is the UFO actually doing to culture, what forces in the mind are making people see them" |
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02:44.08 | DrodoEmpire | That;'s in interesting perspective |
03:11.01 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire: Mckenna speaks against the rise of political correctness as far back as the 90's https://youtu.be/psq-gog_L1s?t=1h20m20s |
03:12.47 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow |
03:13.03 | DrodoEmpire | Though to be fair, that was when it was first seen, and then promptly beaten down by the public |
03:13.11 | DrodoEmpire | 20 years later the same people are trying again |
03:17.10 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_; Speaking of David Icke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwrz0-dnZIA |
03:17.16 | DrodoEmpire | ^ fire shit right there |
03:17.25 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
03:22.23 | Wormy_ | I will admit, I've listened to David Icke and find him well spoken. Intelligent cranks are harder to argue with, and people like that can convince themselves buried under the weight of it sometimes |
03:22.43 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
03:23.09 | DrodoEmpire | I get the feeling he's a sophist in a lot of ways |
03:23.40 | DrodoEmpire | Not... crazy, just severely misguided and inculcated into a certain ideology so much he can't really dig himself out |
03:23.49 | DrodoEmpire | You don't need to be crazy for that to happen |
03:23.50 | Wormy_ | At least Mckenna could reflect on his own crankiness and understood the epistemological game of reason |
03:24.14 | DrodoEmpire | On the contrary, normal people are *more* susceptable to rigid thinking and ideology in my experience |
03:24.28 | Wormy_ | Yeah |
03:24.29 | DrodoEmpire | Because they're capable of reason, their reasoning can be perverted |
03:24.41 | DrodoEmpire | If you're nuts, you have no reasoning to be twisted against you |
03:29.36 | Wormy_ | Its the nuts but capable of reason people I find interesting; or really, they are just rationalists. Sure, healthy people can reason, but not all rationalise everything into their own world-view. They can be cranky or respected depending on their ideas and circle |
03:29.59 | DrodoEmpire | Eh I guess |
03:30.36 | Wormy_ | Some people have become unhealthy doing that, but not all |
03:31.01 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._Price |
03:32.19 | DrodoEmpire | That is really tragic |
03:32.43 | Wormy_ | This guy helped formulate the gene-centric theory of evolution. He was extremely rational and logical about every idea, but it isolated him. He became paranoid and wanted to find any way to object to the idea of genes controlling human behaviour. He converted to Christanity, gave everything he had to the homeless, and then |
03:33.30 | Wormy_ | it is believed in an ultimate act of free will (or attempted free will), he committed suicide, so he could escape the shadow of his gene's survival mechanisms |
03:34.00 | DrodoEmpire | He thought himself into a corner\ |
03:34.10 | DrodoEmpire | Its scary, because I do that sometimes |
03:34.13 | DrodoEmpire | I'm bad for that |
03:44.44 | Wormy_ | I have rationalised things to the point of burn-out myself. |
03:44.53 | Wormy_ | goodnight |
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04:27.05 | Liquid_Ink | ~seen CharlesBot |
04:27.06 | infobot | i haven't seen 'charlesbot', Liquid_Ink |
04:27.15 | Liquid_Ink | ~seen Charles_Bot |
04:27.15 | infobot | charles_bot <uid94017@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kznqyirwnooxpetg> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 2d 1h 56m 31s ago, saying: 'Hey'. |
04:29.40 | DrodoEmpire | He's away on Steam atm also |
04:29.55 | DrodoEmpire | Want me to tell him you've been looking for him? |
04:30.20 | Liquid_Ink | Nah, it's okay |
04:30.27 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
04:36.19 | Liquid_Ink | Thanks for offering |
04:36.27 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, its no problem |
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09:01.28 | Groxkiller98 | Heya. |
09:01.44 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
09:03.03 | Groxkiller98 | You good? |
09:05.35 | Liquid_Ink | I good |
09:05.42 | Liquid_Ink | You evil? |
09:05.57 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
09:06.00 | Groxkiller98 | I'm well. |
09:06.30 | Groxkiller98 | Thinking of starting a page for the Spirit of Suluan (The Mystic Deity). |
09:06.40 | Liquid_Ink | Nice |
09:15.10 | Groxkiller98 | The Mystic Energy page really needs updating. XD |
09:15.35 | Liquid_Ink | Yes, I know |
09:17.05 | Groxkiller98 | :P |
09:27.37 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Spirit_of_Suluan - Could you help me fix her infobox? |
09:30.05 | Groxkiller98 | Please? |
09:31.47 | Liquid_Ink | What do you need help with? |
09:32.13 | Groxkiller98 | The stats. |
09:32.53 | Groxkiller98 | I don't get them. XD |
09:33.56 | Liquid_Ink | I just ignore them. |
09:34.06 | Groxkiller98 | Fair enough. |
09:34.13 | Liquid_Ink | They serve no real purpose |
09:34.27 | Liquid_Ink | Unless one of us is secretly turning the 'verse into a video game |
09:35.31 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
09:35.38 | Groxkiller98 | I wish I was, to be honest. |
09:58.26 | Groxkiller98 | Not sure how to write her physical manifestation... |
10:00.13 | Liquid_Ink | What she looks like? |
10:01.23 | Groxkiller98 | Basically, a golden Teyan with angel wings. |
10:02.12 | Groxkiller98 | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/73/Female_Teyan.png/revision/latest?cb=20170116193635 - That's the PNG for a Teyan woman. |
10:02.24 | Liquid_Ink | I see |
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10:46.37 | Groxkiller98 | Back. |
10:46.41 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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10:50.16 | Wormy_ | hi |
10:50.32 | Ghelae | Hello. |
10:52.41 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
10:53.22 | Groxkiller98 | Started work on my first Essential. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Spirit_of_Suluan |
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11:08.53 | NeonPanda | hi all |
11:09.53 | Liquid_Ink | Hey |
11:10.58 | Groxkiller98 | Hey, Neon. |
11:51.23 | Wormy_ | I want one of these http://i.imgur.com/HV43aB7.mp4 |
11:53.11 | Liquid_Ink | Yeah, cats are pretty cool |
12:02.50 | Wormy_ | I bring you, WAPTORS ON ICE http://i.imgur.com/3Ot5i7w.mp4 |
12:03.48 | OluapPlayer | Cyrannian goes skiing |
12:04.38 | Liquid_Ink | After that accident, Tyrómairon immediately bans skiing across the Empire out of embrassment. |
12:05.52 | Wormy_ | lol |
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13:07.43 | Wormy_ | https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15873489_1108726119254120_4778433398183914178_n.jpg?oh=88dfdd2d15d8eca0cd45359a4d04d63b&oe=59198574 |
13:12.57 | NeonPanda | accurate |
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14:58.21 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
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15:38.14 | Cyrannian | Hi |
15:39.06 | NeonPanda | I am sorely tempted to use my titanfall fic to make an ANZR mech corps a thing |
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15:39.45 | NeonPanda | hi |
15:39.52 | NeonPanda | I am sorely tempted to use my titanfall fic to make an ANZR mech corps a thing < me half a minute ago |
15:40.33 | NeonPanda | still have no idea what to do for the fourth pilot |
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16:49.14 | Groxkiller98 | Heya. |
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17:12.41 | dino82_ | hi |
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17:41.22 | Cyrannian | OluapPlayer: dino82_: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Great_Cyrannus_War/Opening_Stages - made some updates, take a look |
17:43.16 | OluapPlayer | Seen |
17:43.31 | OluapPlayer | Temer got blown up |
17:44.49 | Cyrannian | yus my blood lust has not yet been sated |
17:45.14 | dino82_ | oh my |
17:45.17 | dino82_ | it is a bloodslaughter |
18:33.18 | ImpyDroid | Wait, they already blew up the Death star? |
18:34.00 | NeonPanda | well, Death Stars do have a record of being blown up not long after being introduced |
18:41.50 | OluapPlayer | Latetopia |
18:43.55 | NeonPanda | I am definitely getting a burrito tomorrow |
18:44.02 | NeonPanda | that's my default response when I've been awake too late |
19:02.06 | Wormy_ | Bush did Death Star II |
19:11.22 | Wormy_ | its ever so cute when one's dogs start howling |
19:46.24 | Wormy_ | that's gruesome as hell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_live_animals#Monkey |
19:49.48 | OluapPlayer | that's bananas |
19:52.35 | NeonPanda | OluapPlayer: Ookin better watch himself |
19:52.49 | OluapPlayer | no eating the monkey |
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19:55.21 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
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20:01.36 | Wormy_ | No monkeying around |
20:02.27 | Cyrannian | Wormy_: Sannakji sounds bloody horrifying |
20:03.10 | DrodoEmpire | http://i.imgur.com/tAAC935.jpg |
20:03.20 | DrodoEmpire | Now I wish time travel to the past were possible <.< |
20:05.00 | Wormy_ | sounds choking |
20:05.05 | DrodoEmpire | Just to fuck with people in like the sixties, go back in ragged survival gear and futuristic looking stuff fortelling of the time in the future where there will only be eight planets |
20:05.25 | DrodoEmpire | "PREPARE NOW-- DO NOT MAKE MY TIMELINE'S MISTAKE" |
20:06.12 | Wormy_ | On a contrary, it might bring Pluto to greater scientific attention, and... |
20:07.03 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
20:07.05 | DrodoEmpire | It doesn't have to panic people for long |
20:07.19 | DrodoEmpire | And judging how shitty science journalism is... |
20:07.30 | DrodoEmpire | I'd have plenty of laughs xD |
20:07.44 | DrodoEmpire | lmao |
20:08.06 | DrodoEmpire | "muck" "soil" |
20:08.08 | DrodoEmpire | How polite |
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20:08.52 | Hachiman | Hello |
20:09.04 | Wormy_ | reposting for Hachi http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/manure-dumped-on-derby-crown-court-steps-everything-you-need-to-know/story-30063450-detail/story.html |
20:09.09 | Wormy_ | hi |
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20:09.26 | DrodoEmpire | Hey Hachi, dino |
20:09.34 | Wormy_ | hi |
20:09.47 | dino82_ | hi |
20:11.13 | Cyrannian | Hai |
20:16.47 | Wormy_ | More pictures and new information http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4127692/Man-arrested-MUCK-sprayed-court-steps.html |
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20:17.10 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
20:24.32 | DrodoEmpire | Val just made a huge edit to the Krassio page |
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20:25.25 | dino82_ | I saw! |
20:25.28 | dino82_ | Val!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
20:25.53 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
20:26.59 | Charles_Bot | Hey |
20:27.17 | dino82_ | hi |
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20:28.30 | Cyrannian | ~slap OluapPlayer |
20:28.31 | infobot | ACTION slaps OluapPlayer, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
20:28.53 | OluapPlayer | ~eat Cyrannian |
20:28.54 | infobot | That's too disgusting. |
20:30.34 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire: That kids, is how you protest hur |
20:30.50 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
20:42.06 | dino82_ | lol |
20:44.27 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/Ww8tzqd.png |
20:44.31 | NeonPanda | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhAq3F8NCE I'm sure at least someone here will find this song funny |
20:44.58 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/ayRjWoo.png |
20:45.31 | Wormy_ | funny how we both posted Trek posts |
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20:49.37 | dino82_ | hi |
20:49.42 | NoXIILarxene | Hello... |
20:51.36 | NoXIILarxene | I'm sure you can tell, I'm really new here >.< |
20:53.43 | NeonPanda | everybody was a newbie at one point in time, nothing to be ashamed of |
20:54.10 | NoXIILarxene | I guess so |
20:54.39 | NeonPanda | I get really poetic when I haven |
20:54.49 | NeonPanda | 't slept, I was about to go on about a metaphor about week old baby bunnies |
20:56.31 | NoXIILarxene | So, this wiki has fictional stuff? |
20:58.12 | NeonPanda | The wiki has two elements, technically speaking: gameplay information relating to Spore directly, and the fictional story universe spawned from the creation engines, but otherwise unrelated beyond a couple of references. |
20:58.33 | NoXIILarxene | Oh, okay |
20:59.35 | NoXIILarxene | For the fiction, is anybody able to join? I read the guidelines but I just want to make sure, since it would be interesting to have my own creations in there |
20:59.40 | dino82_ | welocme nox! |
21:00.20 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
21:01.16 | NeonPanda | Anyone's able to create, it's once you start planning to interact with established canon that you want to start talking specifics really. |
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21:03.14 | Dinolion92 | Hi |
21:04.39 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/TD9GDrh.jpg |
21:05.22 | NoXIILarxene | Alright, thank you guys |
21:05.31 | Cyrannian | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/34/Battle_of_Mou%27Cyran.png/revision/latest?cb=20170117210513 - A battle within the Mou'Cyran asteroid field |
21:06.08 | NeonPanda | y'know, I have to be honest |
21:06.21 | NeonPanda | at first, I thought it was really lazy of you that you used star wars designs |
21:06.27 | NeonPanda | but nowadays, I just have to respect the commitment to the bit |
21:06.38 | Dinolion92 | But Star Wars is awesome! |
21:07.07 | Cyrannian | hur thank you |
21:07.35 | OluapPlayer | "battle for the planet but the planet isn't there anymore" |
21:07.46 | OluapPlayer | Anteddy - i want those rocks goddamnit |
21:08.25 | Dinolion92 | Apollo-Protect those worthless rocks! For the Republic! |
21:13.14 | Dinolion92 | What is the dumbest thing you've seen somebody do on tv? I once saw a guy backflip off a trampoline onto snow. |
21:13.23 | Dinolion92 | It was funnier then it sounds. |
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21:19.01 | Wormy_ | I've seen so many dumb things I can't remember |
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21:19.13 | Dillonator407 | hello |
21:19.18 | Wormy_ | hi |
21:19.46 | NoXIILarxene | Is there a Good Starter Example for a fictional empire compared to the Bad one? |
21:20.11 | Wormy_ | There is, I think. |
21:20.35 | Dillonator407 | i think the "Good Starter Example" would fulfil that role |
21:21.10 | NoXIILarxene | I didn't see it in the Guidelines, that's why I asked :S |
21:21.24 | Wormy_ | Try searching for it |
21:21.49 | NoXIILarxene | Search didn't show it. Maybe I'm just dumb |
21:22.04 | NoXIILarxene | Oh there we go |
21:22.08 | NoXIILarxene | Had to go under "Everything: |
21:22.26 | Wormy_ | Well, if the page still exists, it should be linked on the Bad Starter page. Tbh the whole fiction guide is a mess |
21:22.45 | NoXIILarxene | Alright. |
21:22.46 | Dillonator407 | At least it exists i suppose |
21:23.23 | OluapPlayer | I don't see how |
21:31.33 | Dillonator407 | i'd say the fiction guidelines does its job, as in providing guidelines to fiction and other useful information |
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21:32.32 | Dillonator407 | hello |
21:32.42 | Wormy_ | I retract my statement, the guide's been revamped since I last saw it. I still have some grievances. |
21:33.13 | Dillonator407 | what are said grievances? |
21:33.29 | OluapPlayer | I'm 100% sure you were involved in the revamp |
21:33.38 | OluapPlayer | And that was years ago |
21:34.46 | Technobliterator | I wrote the guideline years back, it's improved a lot since I first made it |
21:35.07 | Technobliterator | It could be improved further, but I don't think it's too bad now |
21:35.17 | Technobliterator | also, my last exam is tomorrow :o |
21:35.28 | Dillonator407 | the page itself has been around for ages, though i think its had many changes |
21:35.32 | Dillonator407 | i hope you do well |
21:35.34 | Wormy_ | Some pages need updating, like the inhabitants, mythology and definitely we need a proper history page (although it would be hard to link all the timelines together). Other than I have a problem with the out of universe guide explaining how we had a massive fallout some years ago. It |
21:35.39 | Wormy_ | doesn't sell it to me |
21:35.53 | Technobliterator | All Fiction Universe project pages basically need redoing |
21:36.21 | Wormy_ | And maybe things could be linked better, if people can't find the Good Starter Page from the Bad Starter... Its a non-starter! |
21:36.26 | OluapPlayer | I don't believe the inhabitants page is worth keeping |
21:36.37 | Wormy_ | Probably not |
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21:36.41 | Wormy_ | Hi |
21:36.45 | OluapPlayer | There's way too much fiction to catalog |
21:36.56 | Ghelae | Hello. |
21:37.17 | Dillonator407 | GSE is linked in the quotes of BSE |
21:37.18 | Wormy_ | We are discussing ways in which the guide and FU project pages could be improved. |
21:37.19 | Dillonator407 | hi |
21:38.00 | OluapPlayer | I also don't see a History page being feasible, again because there's too much information from too many sources |
21:38.25 | Dillonator407 | true, its very difficult because of the sheer amount of stuff on the wiki |
21:39.11 | Ghelae | The history project has been abandoned multiple times, I believe. Banelord88's timeline demo, last touched over two years ago, is the closest thing we have. |
21:39.22 | Wormy_ | I think we might be able to link large events together by setting a scale to mark history from a fixed perspective. |
21:39.35 | Dillonator407 | i see |
21:39.42 | Ghelae | Sheer volume of content, and trying to make different calendars compatible, are both quite large problems. |
21:39.44 | Wormy_ | And use design skills to make it look prettier and easily readable |
21:39.50 | Dillonator407 | im the least qualified person to talk about history since i havent been part of it yet |
21:40.25 | Ghelae | There are certainly individual significant timelines that work - e.g. galactic timelines, story of humanity - but I think that's as close as we're going to get to a single history canon. |
21:40.33 | Dillonator407 | yes, i can imagine itd be a nightmare to get everything consistent |
21:42.20 | Wormy_ | Sure, but the problem is that they are not well linked together as current; and secondly, users who have been here some time are still finding trouble reading about important events like the War of Ages canon (though it doesn't help we begin revamping them, and then not actually getting around to doing it) |
21:42.30 | NoXIILarxene | Sorry to butt in... So, I made my little empire page. What now? |
21:42.32 | Wormy_ | That's my gripe with it |
21:43.22 | Wormy_ | I fully agree there are consistency issues, especially dealing with dates and events in people's own timelines |
21:43.31 | Wormy_ | And the sheer volume |
21:43.34 | Dillonator407 | yes |
21:43.55 | Dillonator407 | intergalactic, sometimes interdimensional history is hard to record accurately and consistently |
21:44.21 | Wormy_ | I don't buy that it's impossible though. Just hard. |
21:44.46 | Wormy_ | Probably harder work than anyone wants to do because it isn't fun and we come here for fun, right? |
21:45.00 | Dillonator407 | NoXIILarxene: Expansion i suppose. Though i'm kinda new so i'm not 100% sure in all honesty |
21:45.02 | Tek0516 | Any attempt at cataloging a timeline would also require searching the entire fiction database to determine what's even (still) canon |
21:45.17 | OluapPlayer | It is impossible, since not every person here follows the same calendar |
21:45.25 | Dillonator407 | Im curious as to how important this really is to beginners |
21:45.26 | Wormy_ | And there's reconciling clashes with perople's timelines |
21:45.28 | Ghelae | Wormy_: Basically, yes. Not that doing timelines isn't necessarily fun. :P We could have a list of universe-defining events like the War of Ages somewhere, perhaps even on the fictionverse navbox, but we don't need to put them into a timeline. |
21:46.03 | Dillonator407 | the most i can see coming from this is a series of galactic timelines with a billion links to the events afer short descriptions |
21:46.11 | Tek0516 | Like one issue we had recently where our previously synchronized time with Cyrannus was now 10-20 years off. |
21:46.30 | Wormy_ | Yeah, they don't have to be a timeline. But it does need to be accessible. |
21:46.47 | Ghelae | NoXIILarxene: I have two points on style to make. Firstly, it would be good to use second-level headers (==Header== rather than =Header=) on your page; secondly, get rid of the "Overview" header so that the introductory paragraph stands on its own. |
21:46.48 | Dillonator407 | another issue is the sheer amount of retcons and stuff that seems to happen |
21:47.01 | NoXIILarxene | Thank you @Ghelae |
21:47.06 | Ghelae | A page that looks like it fits with the rest of the wiki is more likely to keep people reading. |
21:47.19 | NoXIILarxene | I understand, just new to this x3 |
21:47.48 | Ghelae | Dillonator407: Arguably, retcons are an argument in favour of a single timeline, so their effects can all be seen on one page. |
21:47.51 | Dillonator407 | btw good luck wth your new fiction |
21:47.59 | NoXIILarxene | Thank you both |
21:48.21 | Dillonator407 | true |
21:48.41 | Dillonator407 | but itd be a nightmare to find anything on a single timeline because of how much stuff there would be on it |
21:48.46 | NoXIILarxene | My last question is, how should I go about a first contact? I was thinking of doing a SETI-style thing except that (hopefully) people find it |
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21:49.18 | Dillonator407 | hi |
21:49.22 | NoXIILarxene | Hello Vall |
21:49.23 | Wormy_ | What I'm arguing for is not necessarily a grand timeline anyway, but a unique and accessible place to find important events in the history of the Gigaquadrant, and it is an important resource further affield for everyone. |
21:49.27 | Ghelae | Hello. |
21:49.45 | Dillonator407 | and i'd say first contact is somehting that can be pretty much anything as long as it makes sense |
21:49.45 | Wormy_ | Hello, is that you Valader?! |
21:50.07 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Collaborative_Fiction so you want this |
21:50.12 | Vall | Hey! Yes I am |
21:50.19 | Wormy_ | Welcome back |
21:51.03 | Vall | Thank you stopping by to say hello |
21:51.05 | Ghelae | NoXIILarxene: Some people do make general transmissions on the UDB (http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Project:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board), but I think it's far more effective to find somebody who's interested in interacting with your fiction and discussing it with them directly. That requires a fleshed-out page, and a plan of what your fiction is like and where they're going. |
21:51.20 | NoXIILarxene | Ohhhh, okay |
21:51.36 | NoXIILarxene | So more direct social stuff, got it |
21:51.49 | Vall | How are you guys? |
21:52.03 | NoXIILarxene | I'm doing well :) |
21:52.15 | Dillonator407 | i'm new and good..in terms of emotion, perhaps not so much writing ability |
21:52.45 | Ghelae | OluapPlayer: That is what we want. Perhaps we need to make it more prominent, and it's not clear from the name alone that it's a list of the main recent events of Gigaquandrantic history. |
21:52.57 | Cyrannian | Hello Val! Good to see you back! |
21:52.57 | Wormy_ | Oluap: That's a good start, yeah, since at least it is restricted to major events per galaxy. But it still looks difficult to navigate |
21:53.15 | OluapPlayer | I really don't see how |
21:53.27 | OluapPlayer | u need to grow ur little baby brain a bit m8 |
21:53.32 | Dillonator407 | also, i never saw a link to that ever so its not very easy to find |
21:53.44 | OluapPlayer | There's a link to it in the main Fictionverse page |
21:54.41 | Ghelae | Wormy_: It could be better emphasised that parts of the Xhodocto saga - WoA and Annihilation in particular - are truly universe-shaping events, but otherwise I don't think it's too bad. |
21:54.51 | Vall | Hello Cyrannian!! |
21:54.52 | Wormy_ | I say we set a good schema about how the events of the fiction universe are inexorably tied together, either as a written page; or something graphical. |
21:55.56 | Ghelae | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Collaborative_Fiction - That page has three links to it, and none of them say what the page is about. They all look like it's *about* collaborative fiction in general, not a list of major collaborative fictional stories and events. |
21:58.01 | Ghelae | Related to the topic of the uselessness of the history pages, I don't think most of the inhabitants pages see much use either. |
21:58.37 | Dillonator407 | agreed there |
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21:58.56 | Hachiman | Hello again |
21:59.08 | Ghelae | Hello. |
22:00.42 | Wormy_ | Maybe we could have a main Gigaquadrant history to set the scale, then have a section for themes and subthemes, almost database-like, where everything is normalised into smaller and smaller categories. That way people can follow what they are interested in |
22:01.04 | Dillonator407 | brb |
22:01.29 | Wormy_ | So we can have timelines for pages like "Story of Humanity", but it would be found along a branch that leads back to the main history page |
22:01.58 | Ghelae | So would the main page be like a timeline (or just a history) of intergalactic and intergalactically-relevant events? |
22:02.58 | Wormy_ | That could be one way, or another could be to identify themes to categorise the events. Some themes are very prominent, like humanity |
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22:04.16 | Dillonator407 | I'm back, current topic still fiction guideline stuff? |
22:04.41 | Wormy_ | yep |
22:05.05 | Ghelae | So that's more like a database of individual timelines. |
22:05.32 | Wormy_ | I am thinking of a database, ultimately yes |
22:05.42 | Wormy_ | a relational database |
22:06.02 | Wormy_ | Though obviously not one we can manipulate |
22:06.02 | Dillonator407 | I guess we need a way of compressing a huge amount of information into an accessible format |
22:06.57 | Wormy_ | Yes, the idea would be to reduce redundant data (i.e., links, or only partially related events) from pages where it might not be necessary |
22:07.25 | Wormy_ | While at the same time making it very obvious where to retreive the information you want |
22:07.37 | Wormy_ | Then individual pages could go into detail |
22:07.43 | Dillonator407 | I see |
22:07.46 | Wormy_ | Like Story of Humanity |
22:08.06 | Wormy_ | At presents its very hard to see what events are most revevant on a galactic scale |
22:08.14 | Dillonator407 | True |
22:08.19 | Technobliterator | Vall: hihi :o |
22:08.20 | Dillonator407 | Or indeed a universal scale |
22:08.33 | Vall | Hello |
22:08.35 | Wormy_ | *retrieve |
22:08.37 | dino82_ | bye bye |
22:08.46 | Dillonator407 | Bye |
22:08.52 | Technobliterator | How are things? :o |
22:09.15 | Dillonator407 | If we are making a database, I must ask, does anyone here know how to create that kind of thing? I certainly don't |
22:09.44 | Wormy_ | Me and Tek are probably most experienced in that field |
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22:10.14 | Vall | Good good, how about here? |
22:10.18 | Dillonator407 | Of course I pressed a button on the top bar thingy... |
22:10.28 | Wormy_ | Me and Tek are learning / have learned database design. Of course I'm only thinkig of taking a very general idea of it |
22:10.30 | Technobliterator | I'm pretty good |
22:10.33 | Technobliterator | last exam tomorrow \o/ |
22:10.42 | Technobliterator | Wormy_, SQL databases? |
22:10.51 | Ghelae | I'm not expecting an actual database. In fact, I'm really thinking of a list of links to timeline pages, perhaps with a summary of major pan-Gigaquadrantic events on top. But if people want to make a database, that's good too. |
22:10.55 | Wormy_ | We wouldn't actually be able to build a true relational database |
22:10.59 | Hachiman | What is all this geek talk |
22:11.03 | Wormy_ | Techno: yeah |
22:11.08 | Technobliterator | oh, I'm studying that soon |
22:11.14 | Dillonator407 | Just a facade that looks and functions as close as possible? I'd say that's good enough for our purposes |
22:11.24 | Technobliterator | Also, Wikia/Fandom have talked about making their own kind of database before as well |
22:11.37 | Technobliterator | So it may not be as unfeasible as you think |
22:11.49 | Wormy_ | So we'd be able to do database msnipulation on the wiki? |
22:11.51 | Cyrannian | brb |
22:12.06 | Wormy_ | (the semantic forms kind of work like that already) |
22:12.08 | Technobliterator | We'd be able to set up our own, yup |
22:12.10 | Dillonator407 | I think our hardest challenge is finishing the thing without getting halfway then moving to other stuff |
22:12.14 | Technobliterator | yeah, it's to replace semantic forms |
22:12.50 | Wormy_ | Thatwould revolutionise how we could clean up links and categories |
22:13.06 | Wormy_ | And if we could edit information on pages like that... |
22:13.22 | Dillonator407 | I take it that'd be a useful function to have |
22:13.31 | Wormy_ | no more editing sprees |
22:13.37 | Technobliterator | I am really excited about it |
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22:14.18 | Ghelae | Hello. |
22:14.19 | DrodoEmpire | Back >.< |
22:14.22 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
22:14.37 | Dillonator407 | Hi drodo |
22:14.44 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
22:14.53 | Wormy_ | That's one thing Wikia is planning I can actually agree with. |
22:15.20 | Dillonator407 | I have no clue of any plans of that sort as I'm ignorant on such matters |
22:15.42 | Wormy_ | It will all come to you in time |
22:16.38 | Dillonator407 | Perhaps |
22:17.01 | Technobliterator | I can only really comment on what they mentioned publicly |
22:17.13 | Technobliterator | but I can say that from seeing the rest, I am excited about it |
22:19.23 | DrodoEmpire | What's all this about? |
22:20.13 | Dillonator407 | Databases |
22:20.25 | Dillonator407 | As a result of a previous discussion about fiction guidelines |
22:20.27 | DrodoEmpire | You'll need to be more specific >.< |
22:20.36 | Wormy_ | First a talk about how to improve the accessibility of historical events in the SporeWikiverse, a suggestion to make such a page database-like, and then Jo announcing that Wikia have plans to publish a database update. |
22:20.42 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
22:20.47 | Dillonator407 | ^ |
22:20.50 | Dillonator407 | ^ |
22:20.58 | Dillonator407 | Oops didn't see I sent it only meant one |
22:21.18 | Wormy_ | Also, if we made a database-like page, I think we should design it to look nice |
22:21.44 | Wormy_ | I'm not sure how for the time being |
22:21.47 | Dillonator407 | Yes |
22:22.12 | DrodoEmpire | Me neither |
22:22.18 | Dillonator407 | It needs to look interesting and not like an incomprehensible lump of links I guess |
22:22.24 | Dillonator407 | But style if far from my expertise |
22:22.28 | DrodoEmpire | Charles is pretty good at making nice layouts, a few others are too |
22:22.38 | DrodoEmpire | So maybe we get Tech, Charles, and a few others on that case |
22:22.58 | Wormy_ | I've seen graphlike templates on different wikis but haven't experimented with them |
22:23.04 | Dillonator407 | If they are best qualified then I agree that they should handle that particular portion of this project |
22:26.08 | Wormy_ | To be honest I probably shouldn't have brouhht this up, as I'm sick of databases. I just see their potential utility on a wiki. |
22:26.27 | Wormy_ | Maybe they've infected my mind |
22:26.55 | Dillonator407 | I had no idea they were contagious |
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22:27.30 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
22:27.33 | Dillonator407 | Hi |
22:27.37 | Ghelae | Hi |
22:27.41 | ImpyDroid | Ohi Vall |
22:27.45 | Wormy_ | Nor did I |
22:27.47 | Wormy_ | hi |
22:27.58 | ImpyDroid | I presume you are THE Val? |
22:28.15 | Ghelae | I feel like there's an incredible pun to be made with databases and contagiousness but I haven't the faintest idea what it could be. |
22:28.21 | ImpyDroid | As in the good ol' devout Mexican psychic crocodile? |
22:28.36 | Dillonator407 | Anything can be made into a pun |
22:28.56 | Vall | I'm the one |
22:29.03 | NoXIILarxene | I hope I didn't make a food out of myself |
22:29.05 | NoXIILarxene | fool* |
22:29.07 | NoXIILarxene | Like that |
22:29.25 | Dillonator407 | Vall: your name reminds me of an icy moon from a game now |
22:29.26 | ImpyDroid | Ooh |
22:29.39 | ImpyDroid | I wish I could talk but unfortunately exams are due tomorrow |
22:29.43 | DrodoEmpire | Hey Val! |
22:29.48 | DrodoEmpire | Nah its cool NoX |
22:30.03 | ImpyDroid | Dillonator407: Don't you dare talk shit of our great founder |
22:30.09 | NoXIILarxene | Thanks Drodo |
22:31.13 | Dillonator407 | I'm not saying Val IS an icy moon, just Vall is literally the name of an icy moon from a game. The actual Val I somewhat remember from wiki surfing ages ago |
22:31.23 | Wormy_ | Vall: How are you doing anyway? |
22:32.22 | ImpyDroid | Yeah how have been things |
22:33.36 | Vall | I'm great thank you guys! |
22:33.47 | Wormy_ | Good |
22:34.01 | Vall | How's everything around here? |
22:34.14 | NoXIILarxene | From what I've seen, it looks good ^^ |
22:34.25 | DrodoEmpire | Pretty good, gotta say |
22:34.34 | DrodoEmpire | 2820 in-fiction years |
22:34.44 | DrodoEmpire | A few new faces too |
22:34.44 | Wormy_ | Vall: A bit slower than we used to be, but fiction is still happening |
22:35.02 | NoXIILarxene | I can imagine since the game is so old |
22:35.17 | Dillonator407 | Yep pretty old |
22:35.26 | Wormy_ | Not many of us are avid Spore players anymore |
22:35.36 | Vall | That's great, I hope I'm able to stay with you guys now |
22:35.42 | Wormy_ | yay! |
22:35.59 | Dillonator407 | I'm a very bad spore player, I hope that doesn't show too much in my fiction though |
22:36.09 | Vall | The only problem might be time connections |
22:36.21 | NoXIILarxene | Dillonator, I haven't played in years :P |
22:36.23 | Vall | Since you guys are mostly asleep when I connect lol |
22:36.45 | Vall | I just recently installed Spore again |
22:36.49 | Dillonator407 | It's like 9:36am where I am- hurray for unusual time zones |
22:37.09 | Vall | Its 4:36pm here |
22:37.26 | Dillonator407 | NoXIILarxene: I've played it a lot lately. And have had it forever, but I'm still bad at it |
22:37.31 | Dillonator407 | Interesting |
22:37.38 | NoXIILarxene | Ahhhh. I haven't played yet, just made my ant-plant guys |
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22:37.44 | Wormy_ | ~seen Xho |
22:37.49 | infobot | xho <97e6a92b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.230.169.43> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 23h 18m 58s ago, saying: 'yeh bwoi'. |
22:37.58 | Vall | Btw Dillonator, are you new? |
22:37.58 | Wormy_ | lol |
22:38.04 | Wormy_ | hi |
22:38.10 | Dillonator407 | I have ant people, not ant-plants |
22:38.14 | Dillonator407 | Yes extremely so |
22:38.31 | Tybusen | Hello |
22:38.34 | Vall | Hello |
22:38.37 | Dillonator407 | Hi |
22:38.38 | Vall | Oh wow |
22:38.45 | Vall | How did you got to Spore wiki? |
22:38.54 | Ghelae | Hello. |
22:39.22 | Dillonator407 | I found it ages ago when looking for standard info, ran into the fiction universe, and proceeded to lurk for ages until very recently |
22:40.08 | Dillonator407 | Then I decided what the heck and actually made fiction |
22:40.10 | Vall | Nice! |
22:40.24 | Vall | That sure brings up memories |
22:40.51 | Vall | I got here reading about the Natrian Empire |
22:41.02 | Dillonator407 | I've never heard of that in all honesty |
22:41.09 | Vall | One of the first |
22:41.15 | Wormy_ | Natrian Empire and the Naucean, for me |
22:41.34 | Vall | He was doing a nice database of his creatures |
22:41.54 | Wormy_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Introi/Natrian_Empire |
22:42.03 | Tybusen | Jovar was the one who got me into fiction |
22:42.19 | OluapPlayer | Prehistorical-tier |
22:42.22 | Dillonator407 | Interesting |
22:42.34 | Vall | Yeah |
22:43.04 | Vall | When I signed up, I role played on his talk page, pretending to be a Civatron |
22:43.16 | Dillonator407 | I can vaguely remember either some war involving the universe almost getting destroyed, that ancient G8 page (don't ask me why) and the DCP page being amongst the first I found |
22:43.17 | Dillonator407 | I see |
22:43.19 | Vall | No answer ever came lol |
22:43.31 | Vall | He was long gone I presume |
22:43.47 | Vall | Aah |
22:43.54 | Vall | The great eight! |
22:44.08 | Dillonator407 | From forever ago |
22:44.15 | Wormy_ | No-one seems to have asked Introi to add their links to the infobox http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Introi/Natrian_Empire?action=history |
22:44.52 | Wormy_ | :is it part of the fiction universe, is it not? |
22:45.05 | OluapPlayer | Clearly not |
22:45.08 | Dillonator407 | At the time it had those evil guys and the something crusade....it was forever ago |
22:45.16 | Vall | I believe they were added as a tier empire |
22:45.20 | OluapPlayer | Maasari Crusade |
22:45.24 | Vall | Ah |
22:45.27 | Dillonator407 | Yes that's it |
22:45.50 | Dillonator407 | Who I inevitably got mixed up with the Massassi somewhat |
22:45.51 | OluapPlayer | And evil guys are probably the Xhodocto |
22:45.58 | Vall | Yeah |
22:46.11 | Tybusen | Classic holyrats |
22:46.14 | Vall | The only bad guys at that time (?) |
22:46.31 | Wormy_ | It could be considered an extinxt empire I suppose http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Introi/Natrian_Empire/Members |
22:46.46 | Wormy_ | "Add your name if you wish to join:" |
22:46.48 | Dillonator407 | Honestly at the time I tried to make a kind of base for an empire to eventually make into a fiction |
22:46.53 | Wormy_ | So people did |
22:47.02 | Vall | It doesn't say how right? |
22:47.17 | Dillonator407 | But me being me, I kept changing my ideas at the last second...so yeah it took me years to actually make one |
22:47.22 | OluapPlayer | Yes the Introi Empire was open and kind of a mess |
22:47.22 | Dillonator407 | That looks interesting |
22:47.30 | OluapPlayer | It was all good though since we were all literally children |
22:47.48 | Vall | If there is no explanation to their downfall, the Second Coming might be the one |
22:47.57 | Wormy_ | Oluap: I agree |
22:48.07 | OluapPlayer | They were never part of the fictionverse proper to begin with |
22:48.09 | Dillonator407 | Ah the second coming...I think that'd be the war I was talking about actually... |
22:48.12 | OluapPlayer | Introi Empire predates the War of Ages |
22:48.13 | Wormy_ | Also this creature looks like a yellow pepe http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/9e/Suratean.png/revision/latest?cb=20080930235746 |
22:48.22 | Vall | I was sixteen at the time.. Wow |
22:48.36 | Dillonator407 | I was...young at th time |
22:48.38 | Dillonator407 | And still kinda am |
22:49.01 | Dillonator407 | But I try to at least seem mature I guess |
22:49.09 | Vall | We all are somehow lol |
22:49.21 | Dillonator407 | I seeee |
22:51.16 | Dillonator407 | This wiki has been around for ages |
22:51.42 | Vall | Anyhow, we could say the Introi were my inspiration :p |
22:51.51 | Vall | Yeah |
22:52.14 | Dillonator407 | My inspiration was...umm....everything I guess |
22:53.21 | Wormy_ | Since 2006 I think |
22:53.53 | Tybusen | 2006 when the game was first announced, then a big surge of activity in 2009 when the game actually came out |
22:53.58 | Dillonator407 | So...ten years then? Or 11? My math isn't good on the spot |
22:54.04 | Dillonator407 | Ah |
22:54.19 | Wormy_ | I don't think anyone from the 2006 toi early 208 era remains active here |
22:54.27 | Dillonator407 | I see |
22:54.36 | Wormy_ | Me, Val, Impy, Oluap joined in 2008 |
22:54.39 | Tybusen | The modern fiction community here started in 2009 with Xho and Vall |
22:54.53 | Tybusen | War of Ages and all that |
22:54.58 | OluapPlayer | I am the eldest |
22:54.59 | Wormy_ | Arguably the Seven Starr Alliance had a lot to do with it too! |
22:54.59 | Dillonator407 | Ah the war of ages |
22:55.12 | Dillonator407 | I'm glad my empire didn't have the face demonic monsters like that just yet |
22:55.17 | Dillonator407 | *to face |
22:55.21 | Dillonator407 | True |
22:55.35 | Vall | Yep the Seven Starr Alliance was the first collab fiction I saw actually |
22:55.45 | DrodoEmpire | Personally I was excited for the reboot as I had plans for like a Drodo expeditionary force |
22:55.51 | Vall | Lol, my fiction got devastated by them |
22:56.08 | Dillonator407 | The whole universe did if I remember right |
22:56.12 | DrodoEmpire | Because there's nothing cooler than sabre-swinging Drodo cavalrymen charging into a horde of demonic horrors |
22:56.26 | Vall | Lol |
22:56.30 | Wormy_ | Drodo: Would be great to see |
22:56.50 | Dillonator407 | My empire would just get stomped on by such demons at this stage....one day....maybe...we can...beat one of them....probably not |
22:56.54 | Vall | In a jungle world |
22:57.12 | Vall | The demons used to be weaker then |
22:57.30 | Dillonator407 | True they weren't quite as invincible I guess |
22:57.40 | DrodoEmpire | They had a lot of grunts too |
22:57.46 | Dillonator407 | And that was back when basically every empire tended to start out rather gigantic I guess.... |
22:57.58 | Wormy_ | I'm slowly writing the http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:War_of_Ages/Tigris_War/The_Great_Expedition with some others, about how the SSA entered WoA |
22:57.59 | Tybusen | Back then everyone had a galaxy pretty much |
22:58.16 | Wormy_ | SSA-Krassio first contact would be cool |
22:58.17 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I think the expeditionary force was basically a few hundred thousand/million volunteers, mostly infantry and cav and some armour |
22:58.30 | Dinolion92 | Can a new user just join the universe? |
22:58.36 | Dinolion92 | My friend is thinking about joining |
22:58.40 | DrodoEmpire | Oh of course |
22:58.44 | Dinolion92 | Thanks |
22:58.45 | Dillonator407 | I'm half jealous of not having my own galaxy and half glad because I know how that'd end |
22:58.51 | Vall | Interesting! |
22:58.51 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
22:58.51 | Dillonator407 | Yep basically |
22:58.55 | DrodoEmpire | It was a bigass issue |
22:59.16 | Vall | Yeah |
22:59.26 | DrodoEmpire | A lot of the infantry in particular had basically WWI gear-- a uniform, steel helmet/felt cap, though mercifully an up-to-date assault rifle, with a nice big sword-bayonet on the end |
22:59.31 | Dillonator407 | I should point out that even if the Xhodocfo were awake |
22:59.34 | Dillonator407 | *aeaker |
22:59.38 | Dillonator407 | *weaker |
22:59.41 | Dillonator407 | They still wiped out half the universe |
22:59.43 | OluapPlayer | Xhodocto - what the fuck is this, a circus |
22:59.45 | Vall | Maybe they could join forces against the Xhodies |
23:00.04 | DrodoEmpire | Others had battle armour, and the cav were obviously spectacular-- I think there was at least one brigade of Cuirassiers |
23:00.19 | DrodoEmpire | Dillonator: Yeah |
23:00.23 | Dillonator407 | Were they very effective? |
23:00.31 | DrodoEmpire | What, the Cuirassiers? |
23:00.37 | DrodoEmpire | Or the Drodo in general? |
23:00.44 | Dillonator407 | Hmmmm both |
23:00.51 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
23:00.54 | OluapPlayer | drodo suk cus they got no model |
23:00.57 | DrodoEmpire | >: |
23:00.59 | DrodoEmpire | but they do tho |
23:01.02 | OluapPlayer | literal race of >mfw i have no face |
23:01.14 | Cyrannian | back |
23:01.20 | Dillonator407 | Welcome back |
23:01.25 | Dinolion92 | Hi |
23:01.30 | OluapPlayer | Begone foul entity |
23:01.33 | DrodoEmpire | Well, at this point the Drodo were less advanced, but they still had good firearms and probably also access to more advanced tech |
23:01.42 | Dillonator407 | I see |
23:01.50 | Dillonator407 | My race....wasn't spacefaring I believe at that time |
23:02.01 | Cyrannian | I remember joining the Introi Empire, though I didn't interact with anyone through it |
23:02.25 | OluapPlayer | 2008 me was so annoying, I hate reading what I wrote at the time |
23:02.26 | Vall | Gotta go guys, I lit my notifications in case you want to contact me on the wiki |
23:02.31 | DrodoEmpire | kk |
23:02.33 | Vall | See you around! |
23:02.35 | Dillonator407 | I noticed capricornian in its member list thingy |
23:02.35 | Cyrannian | Bye Val! |
23:02.38 | Dillonator407 | See you nice talk |
23:02.58 | OluapPlayer | I kept trying to make everything around myself |
23:03.07 | Dillonator407 | What did you write at the time?. |
23:03.08 | Dillonator407 | Ah |
23:03.17 | Wormy_ | Bye Vall |
23:03.25 | OluapPlayer | I still do that but at least I'm subtle about it hoh |
23:03.46 | Dillonator407 | My fiction style remains mostly unknown because I haven't written any fully yet |
23:04.19 | DrodoEmpire | The Cuirassiers, being heavy cavalry, would've been used to crash through enemy ranks and terrigy the enemy |
23:04.22 | DrodoEmpire | *terrify |
23:04.32 | DrodoEmpire | For that, yeah they'd be effective at cutting down grunts at the very least |
23:04.42 | Dillonator407 | I see makes sense |
23:05.45 | Dillonator407 | I see you based your cavalry off of modernish I think cavalry |
23:06.26 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh |
23:06.38 | Tybusen | I kind of feel bad for having the Levisala troll those new guys as their first contact with another species |
23:06.52 | DrodoEmpire | Generally speaking, the Drodo cavalry are based heavily off of the napoleonic doctrine and style |
23:07.09 | Dillonator407 | ah that's the word I was looking for |
23:07.26 | Dillonator407 | More modern than say medieval cavalry or ancient cavalry |
23:07.30 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
23:07.42 | DrodoEmpire | More elite units have very opulent uniforms that they wear into battle even |
23:07.58 | Dillonator407 | I should totally base my cavalry off of ancient cavalry if I get any |
23:08.00 | Dillonator407 | I see |
23:08.20 | DrodoEmpire | Though, most have a more conservative kit... Which still makes them pretty spectacular relatively-speaking >.< |
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23:08.35 | Dillonator407 | I guess my guys may get fairly elaborate uniforms for elite units...given the culture |
23:08.40 | DrodoEmpire | Hey Monet |
23:08.43 | DrodoEmpire | It'd make sense |
23:08.46 | Dillonator407 | Hi |
23:08.47 | Monet | hi |
23:08.58 | Dillonator407 | What weapons are effective against cavalry actually? Do I need futuristic energy spears? |
23:09.19 | Tybusen | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#Intelligent_Life_Search_Seeks_Life is anyone willing to make sure the Levisala don't ruin these guys' first contact |
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23:10.11 | Dillonator407 | Hi |
23:10.30 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
23:10.36 | Dillonator407 | For some reason I'm now tempted to do something on the UDB just so my emojre has a thing to indicate its existence |
23:11.05 | Technobliterator | cool, I will respond with a traditional Loron troll comment |
23:11.17 | DrodoEmpire | Dillonator: Well, the Drodo cavalry use shielding that can block a lot of small arms shots |
23:11.31 | Tybusen | And I'll follow that with a Levisala troll comment |
23:11.35 | Dillonator407 | Otherwise they would be outclassed I'd imagine |
23:11.40 | DrodoEmpire | Exactly |
23:11.48 | Dillonator407 | And I'll just send idk |
23:11.50 | Dillonator407 | Something maybe |
23:11.52 | DrodoEmpire | So generally speaking, hosing the incoming horsemen in automatic fire won't actually do much |
23:12.08 | Dillonator407 | Does artillery work? |
23:12.12 | DrodoEmpire | Artillery and other heavy weapons like that are more menacing yeah |
23:12.20 | DrodoEmpire | Also-- other cavalry |
23:12.35 | DrodoEmpire | Cavalry battles would be pretty costly to both sides |
23:12.36 | Dillonator407 | Ah |
23:12.44 | Dillonator407 | I'll have to get my own cavalry |
23:12.53 | Dillonator407 | What about say mines? |
23:13.09 | DrodoEmpire | The Drodo could definitely train some regiments, or provide horses |
23:13.22 | DrodoEmpire | They'd be effective, by virtue of blowing everything else up |
23:13.23 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
23:13.33 | Dillonator407 | That'd be helpful |
23:13.36 | DrodoEmpire | But landmines are by their nature defensive |
23:13.41 | Dillonator407 | Of course, I do have a semi-equivalent to a horse |
23:13.49 | DrodoEmpire | Rite |
23:13.55 | DrodoEmpire | The Drodo use robohorses is the thing |
23:13.59 | Dillonator407 | *invents offensive mine-launcher artillery* |
23:14.02 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
23:14.18 | DrodoEmpire | So its a matter of comparing the two's capabilities I guess\ |
23:14.57 | Dillonator407 | Yeah true |
23:15.39 | Dillonator407 | Mkne are probably slower but more bulky and can carry more stuff I suppose |
23:15.44 | Dillonator407 | *mine |
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23:16.40 | DrodoEmpire_ | ffs |
23:16.59 | Dillonator407 | Did it freeze on you or something? |
23:17.12 | Monet | I was thinking how one might fire an armed mine without detonating the launcher but I guess there could be a timer. |
23:17.24 | DrodoEmpire_ | The whole thing closed weirdly |
23:17.32 | Dillonator407 | Oh wow |
23:17.36 | Dillonator407 | Now I've just got to make mine artillery |
23:18.16 | DrodoEmpire_ | It'd certainly make deploying the mines quicker |
23:19.03 | Monet | But by the sounds of it, a minelauncher artillery aimed at oncoming cavalry could just as easily be a grenade launcher. |
23:19.05 | Dillonator407 | maybe it'd be useful for sieges or something idk if those even happen |
23:19.18 | Dillonator407 | True |
23:19.57 | Dillonator407 | Maybe you could adjust it |
23:20.05 | DrodoEmpire_ | Yeah a grenade launcher is what you'd have |
23:20.15 | Dillonator407 | To be like a shell that explodes on impact, or after a timer, or when it detects an opponent nearby idk |
23:20.33 | Dillonator407 | Maybe the solution to cavalry is to give infantry giant energy pikes |
23:20.38 | DrodoEmpire_ | hur maybe |
23:20.53 | DrodoEmpire_ | Then the cav would have to use a scifi caracole to try and break up the formation <.< |
23:21.14 | Dillonator407 | Hmmm my infantry do have rocket launchers as an under barrel attachment...would that be any help? |
23:21.30 | Monet | Wait what |
23:21.45 | Monet | What about the backblast? |
23:21.48 | Dillonator407 | What to what? |
23:21.50 | Monet | of such a tool |
23:21.56 | Dillonator407 | It's a pretty small rocket |
23:22.06 | Dillonator407 | It gets shot out of the weapon normally |
23:22.15 | Dillonator407 | Then activates the actual rocket once at a safe distance |
23:22.30 | Monet | http://archive.defense.gov/dodcmsshare/WeekInPhotos/2014-10/hires_141002-M-RB959-028a.jpg what's going on at the back |
23:22.54 | Dillonator407 | A lot of backblast |
23:23.24 | Monet | Something of a necessity if your ammunition has its own form of propulsion. |
23:23.35 | Dillonator407 | True |
23:24.14 | Dillonator407 | Of course, I wasn't thinking overly much of the exact practical nature of exactly how the weapon works |
23:24.21 | Dillonator407 | This is after all a science fiction universe |
23:24.37 | Ghelae | So you're saying it fires the rocket like a bullet and then after, say, half a second, the actual rocket engine activates? |
23:25.11 | DrodoEmpire_ | Well yeah if its like a 40mm grenade, only with extra propellant then basically you have an underslung RPG-7 |
23:25.11 | Dillonator407 | I guess so yeah |
23:25.27 | DrodoEmpire_ | *POP* *WHOOSH* |
23:25.29 | DrodoEmpire_ | *BOOOM* |
23:25.35 | DrodoEmpire_ | <.< |
23:25.37 | Dillonator407 | It's not designed to take our vehicles not quite that large or powerful |
23:25.47 | Dillonator407 | *out |
23:26.04 | Dillonator407 | We have other giant rifles with delayed rocket fire for that |
23:26.43 | Monet | So the underslung rocket launcher is primarily anti-infantry? |
23:27.01 | Dillonator407 | I guess it's for taking out light cover and such |
23:27.36 | Dillonator407 | Or more heavily protected infantry |
23:28.02 | Monet | A grenade launcher gives you an arc if we're talking blowing out cover. But it -might- work if you want to clear out a building |
23:29.41 | Dillonator407 | Honestly, it's kind of a holdover for my species |
23:29.49 | Dillonator407 | If that makes any sense |
23:30.13 | Monet | You might need to explain |
23:30.34 | Dillonator407 | Initially, rocket based siege weapons dominated their history rather than cannons |
23:30.43 | Dillonator407 | It took a lot longer to develop bullet based weaponry |
23:31.19 | Dillonator407 | When it was developed, many still preferred having rockets out of familiarity and their explosive power |
23:31.39 | Dillonator407 | So when attachments became possible, under barrel rockets become relatively common |
23:32.15 | Dillonator407 | Because grenade launchers were never used significantly as it was seen as just a complex way of throwing a grenade |
23:32.49 | Dillonator407 | Not to say that that was a good idea to avoid using them, just that that is what happened |
23:33.51 | Dillonator407 | That is my long justification for why under barrel rocket launchers are used |
23:34.05 | Dillonator407 | The actual reason is of course "because it seemed cool" |
23:35.14 | Dillonator407 | And because I have fond memories of wrist rockets from a game |
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23:38.07 | Dillonator407 | Hello |
23:39.55 | Cyrannian_ | Hi |
23:40.09 | Dillonator407 | Now that I think about it, I probably could've just said that the weapons are designs to handle the back last and send it out the side or something.... |
23:43.35 | Dillonator407 | Gtg |
23:45.24 | Ghelae | Definitely don't do that. Stop the backblast from going in the opposite direction to the rocket and you end up with huge recoil instead. |
23:51.04 | Tek0516 | That's the answer to a lot of "make the weapon more powerful" ideas, isn't it. Damn Newton and his third law. :P |
23:52.11 | Tybusen | Alternatively, you could just invent a device to form a localized wormhole and send all of the recoil through that insteaad |
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23:54.33 | NoXIILarxene | Greetings! |
23:54.34 | Tek0516 | I was about to mention that that is why so much sci-fi relies on violating conservation of momentum and energy. :P |
23:56.10 | Hachiman | So, a woman in India has recently had an operation to remove approximately 150 parasitic worms that were living in her stomach |
23:56.17 | NoXIILarxene | EW |
23:56.24 | NoXIILarxene | I just ate supper too |
23:56.35 | OluapPlayer | We are Legion for we are many |
23:56.36 | Tek0516 | O.o |
23:56.43 | Hachiman | kek |
23:58.51 | Insomniarios | Hachiman: Don't let them grow into Xenomorps |
23:59.16 | Tybusen | xenomorps |