| 00:00.00 | Imperios | As far as I know, it was the Civil War that turned the United States into a true nation-state |
| 00:00.07 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps |
| 00:00.19 | Dillonator407 | i see |
| 00:00.21 | Imperios | And look how Novorossiya united Ukrainians |
| 00:00.33 | Imperios | ...You need Quebec to secede and then the rest of Canada to fight against it |
| 00:00.36 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 00:00.56 | DrodoEmpire | Ultimately, if armour wasn't effective no one would buy it |
| 00:01.01 | Dillonator407 | true |
| 00:01.10 | Dillonator407 | wait never underestimate human stupidity |
| 00:01.17 | DrodoEmpire | But it was, so people invested a *lot* of their wealth into armour |
| 00:02.07 | Monet | Wanting the latest thing might be more of a modern concept |
| 00:02.21 | Imperios | Hm |
| 00:02.27 | Dillonator407 | true i suppoe |
| 00:02.29 | Dillonator407 | *suppose |
| 00:02.31 | Monet | Peasants of old often learned to make do with what they had. |
| 00:02.39 | Dillonator407 | howdid this topic start actually? |
| 00:02.56 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: ohh yeah wanting the latest and greatest was pretty foreign back in the day |
| 00:02.59 | Imperios | For that matter, how do you even call the separatist alliance in East Ukraine in English? |
| 00:03.15 | Imperios | Novorossiya? Novorussia? Novorossia? |
| 00:04.01 | Monet | Dillonator407: I like the details in the Witchers portrayal of the middle ages. |
| 00:04.04 | Dillonator407 | I have no idea |
| 00:04.06 | Dillonator407 | ah i see |
| 00:04.24 | Dillonator407 | i dont have that |
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| 00:10.26 | Dillonator407 | Just changed devices |
| 00:11.41 | Monet | I thin kCrow's Perch also counts as a castle http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/witcher/images/e/ee/Crows_Perch.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160212171735 |
| 00:12.13 | Monet | It's not a sophisticated one but it's pretty defensible. |
| 00:12.25 | Monet | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/witcher/images/8/84/Crow's_Perch.png/revision/latest?cb=20150602194510 |
| 00:13.00 | Dillonator407 | I see |
| 00:13.19 | Dillonator407 | Gtg |
| 00:13.48 | Monet | Any attacker would need to fight though four separate courtyards before reaching the keep |
| 00:15.46 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: looks like a Motte and Bailey |
| 00:15.56 | DrodoEmpire | Early type of castle/fort, they were effective yeah |
| 00:16.26 | DrodoEmpire | Pretty rudimentary, but so was everything in that period |
| 00:16.40 | DrodoEmpire | Few people were bringing much in the way of siege equipment in that period |
| 00:17.15 | Monet | Design wise it's mroe of a fort really. |
| 00:18.37 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh nah, that one looks like a small fortress |
| 00:18.45 | DrodoEmpire | Looks to me like a fortified village |
| 00:19.26 | Monet | It would count as a castle because its owner controls and secures the surrounding villages form it. |
| 00:19.45 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 00:20.03 | Monet | It's mostly in the state it is because its owner kind of...acquired it, after the official owner fled. |
| 00:21.07 | Xho | 21,000 pageviews on DA |
| 00:21.12 | Xho | maximum xho achieved |
| 00:21.41 | Monet | Although somehow that didn't stop the man from furnishing the castle garden with exotic flowers while he and his family drank imported wine. |
| 00:21.51 | Monet | (the new owner) |
| 00:22.39 | Xho | OluapPlayer: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/187297348930512207/9F5E657E29C82B34B7F102078F737973F5ABC822/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:1152&composite-to%3D%2A%2C%2A%7C2048%3A1152&background-color=black |
| 00:22.48 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: Did the Arditi really wear heavy armour during the course of WW1 |
| 00:22.51 | OluapPlayer | scoot |
| 00:23.03 | Xho | http://xho-gmod.deviantart.com/art/Tella-Shriek-V-S-Reaper-Spengineer-657438954 I was doing this screenshot |
| 00:25.38 | DrodoEmpire | Hachiman: there were some experiments with body armour in the first world war, but I don't believe any were successful no |
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| 00:26.15 | DrodoEmpire | They did reduce deaths from shrapnel-- which made up a huge number-- but their cost and the variety of other issues they had made the increased survival rate not worth it |
| 00:26.53 | DrodoEmpire | I know nothing of the Arditi in particular I'm afraid |
| 00:29.56 | Hachiman | I asked because there was a section in Battlefield 1 where you're playing a member of the Royal Italian Army's Arditi, fitted in heavy armour and armed with an Maxim MG 08/15 while fighting to capture an Austro-Hungarian fort in the Dolomites |
| 00:30.17 | Hachiman | And the armour essentially made small arms fire bounce off you and made you roughly impervious to all but flamethrowers |
| 00:30.37 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_: https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=EVbWFusFmRM Holy shit Kim Jong un actually has an intimidating voice |
| 00:30.54 | DrodoEmpire | ...Eeyeah that's completely ahistorical, just taking a wild guess |
| 00:31.15 | DrodoEmpire | I'm pretty certain we *still* can't make armour like that |
| 00:31.38 | DrodoEmpire | Also those weapons were stupid heavy |
| 00:32.03 | Hachiman | Granted, it's coming from an unreliable narrator; he goes on to say he also manned an AA gun and took on a squadron of Austro-Hungarian bombers and fighters |
| 00:32.03 | Wormy_ | Impy: Seen that video, I speculate he wasn't really speaking to a crowd, since you never actually see them. And I laughed since there was a long clap to everything |
| 00:32.23 | DrodoEmpire | You must've been an unusually-strong and (very) unusually-tall Italian to do something like that |
| 00:32.35 | DrodoEmpire | Hachiman: Then it could just be fancy or bad memory yeah |
| 00:32.56 | DrodoEmpire | *be a flight of fancy |
| 00:32.58 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid: I guess you watch stimmekoreas? |
| 00:33.08 | DrodoEmpire | Which is a clever way on the dev's part to get shit like that past |
| 00:33.29 | Monet | Or an Astartes :> |
| 00:33.33 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:33.36 | ImpyDroid | Nah, just found it |
| 00:33.55 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_: https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=oVZ8-jJ7EUM There is a ridiculously accented English translation too |
| 00:34.13 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Though as I mentioned I'd be very interested in meeting the one eight-foot tall Italian guy out there <.< |
| 00:34.16 | Wormy_ | Loads of programs from NK are uploaded here, some tramslated https://www.youtube.com/user/stimmekoreas/videos |
| 00:34.35 | Wormy_ | Yeah |
| 00:35.19 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q9ScUY_9C4 |
| 00:35.35 | Xho | the new weer |
| 00:36.57 | ImpyDroid | I remember this |
| 00:37.19 | ImpyDroid | TBH Kim Jong-un is apparently not that bad from what I have read |
| 00:37.45 | ImpyDroid | He privatised agriculture in North Korea apparently, and it is growing now |
| 00:38.45 | Liquid_Ink | I doubt he'll actually improve the country in any meaningful way |
| 00:39.01 | Wormy_ | butbutbut - North Korean Socialism is the Banner of World Socialism! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO7pzASmJ6k |
| 00:39.14 | ImpyDroid | Meaningful as in? Economically or politically? |
| 00:39.26 | ImpyDroid | He is not going to liberalise the country that is for sure |
| 00:39.44 | ImpyDroid | But that comes AFTER the economic growth |
| 00:40.06 | DrodoEmpire | God I wish there was a way to unsubscribe from Workshop addons like all at once |
| 00:40.08 | ImpyDroid | Let's say the North becomes a slightly better place to live |
| 00:40.14 | DrodoEmpire | Xho is there a way to? |
| 00:40.20 | ImpyDroid | People who aren't starving are much less compliant |
| 00:40.24 | Xho | Not from what I recall no |
| 00:40.27 | DrodoEmpire | Shit |
| 00:40.39 | ImpyDroid | And easier to integrate |
| 00:40.50 | ImpyDroid | From that foundation reunification is a much more likely prospect |
| 00:41.28 | Liquid_Ink | I'm not very optimisitc about Korean reunification |
| 00:41.35 | Wormy_ | Impy, Liquid: Best video is the one about the flower Kimilsungia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3mVP7KkPE |
| 00:41.50 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: It gotta happen at *some* point |
| 00:41.57 | ImpyDroid | I just hope I will see it in my lifetime |
| 00:42.11 | Wormy_ | I'm doubtful, I think NK could become a client state of China if it collapses |
| 00:42.54 | ImpyDroid | Hell all of Korea might become one at some point |
| 00:43.00 | Xho | That would be a UN nightmare to be sure |
| 00:43.08 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.16 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.22 | ImpyDroid | Hm |
| 00:43.29 | Liquid_Ink | Hopefully China will have another revolution. Anti-government sentiment is growing there. |
| 00:43.45 | ImpyDroid | Dammit Ink with your revolutions, they rarely ever help |
| 00:44.05 | ImpyDroid | A slow transition towards democracy is a better solution, maybe a quick coup d'etat |
| 00:44.35 | ImpyDroid | Hm. How loyal is the PLA to the CCP? |
| 00:44.47 | Monet | Take it from the guy who grew up in a nation that had a revolution |
| 00:44.59 | ImpyDroid | Well, sort od |
| 00:45.02 | ImpyDroid | *sort of |
| 00:45.21 | Liquid_Ink | I'm fairly sure the PLA would remain loyal to the CCP |
| 00:45.29 | Liquid_Ink | But I see hope in the growing strike movement |
| 00:45.32 | ImpyDroid | From my perspective, revolution is always evil, though it may sometimes be necessary evil |
| 00:45.39 | ImpyDroid | Barring national revolutions |
| 00:45.48 | ImpyDroid | These are good |
| 00:45.49 | Wormy_ | Problem with revolutions today is a lack of plan or coordination at the end, but I'm thinking of those Western ones in recent protests where nobody took the initiative |
| 00:46.32 | Liquid_Ink | Yeah, Occupy Wall street had absolutely nothing planned other than occupying wall street |
| 00:46.38 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: Seriously though I can totally see big political changes in China now |
| 00:46.44 | ImpyDroid | I mean the Chinese are rich |
| 00:46.55 | ImpyDroid | You cannot control well fed people as easilt |
| 00:47.04 | Wormy_ | Nobody could get their word across due to the structure the occupiers created |
| 00:48.17 | Liquid_Ink | That's an interesting idea Impy, that well fed people are more likely to dissent |
| 00:48.37 | Monet | England only had one national revolt, and that was a) 400 years ago and b) the king had it coming. |
| 00:48.42 | ImpyDroid | Well |
| 00:48.47 | Monet | (Scotland's a different matter) |
| 00:48.55 | ImpyDroid | People who are starving are likely to rebel |
| 00:49.06 | ImpyDroid | People who are not starving but are poor are the most compliant |
| 00:49.08 | Wormy_ | We had some social revolutions towards science and industry |
| 00:49.13 | ImpyDroid | Case in point, FUCKING US |
| 00:49.17 | Monet | Wormy_: THat's different |
| 00:49.19 | ImpyDroid | US as in Russians |
| 00:49.48 | ImpyDroid | But people get wealthier, they demand more, they have something to lose and it is dear to them |
| 00:50.09 | ImpyDroid | Though a true revolution is unlikely |
| 00:50.17 | ImpyDroid | But maybe a call for greater liberation |
| 00:50.22 | ImpyDroid | *more liberties |
| 00:51.00 | Liquid_Ink | But that won't accomplish anything: asking your oppressors for more liberties will grant you some bread and circuses, and nothing more |
| 00:51.18 | ImpyDroid | I mean, it worked in the other China |
| 00:51.41 | ImpyDroid | How did even the other China transition from one party dictatorship to democracy? |
| 00:51.56 | Wormy_ | How so? Questioning authority pulverised the old system of acquiring knowledge, and strenghthened to the Enlightenment ideals of liberty |
| 00:52.43 | Hachiman | Could we possibly move this to #sporewiki-offtopic? |
| 00:52.45 | ImpyDroid | Yeah but say the French Revolution was not won by liberal intellectuals, but by starving citizenry |
| 00:52.55 | ImpyDroid | Alrightio |
| 00:53.17 | Wormy_ | I'm talking about the Northern Enlightenment, which was superior in that it did see learned men persecuted |
| 00:53.20 | Wormy_ | sorry |
| 00:53.27 | Wormy_ | *it did NOT see |
| 00:53.56 | ImpyDroid | Should we move to offtopic? |
| 00:54.09 | Wormy_ | Yeah, someone's objected |
| 00:55.15 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: Come to us |
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| 00:55.39 | Wormy_ | #sporewiki-offtopic |
| 00:55.48 | Tybusen | thanks |
| 00:55.49 | Wormy_ | Liquid's on an offtopic channel with a ? |
| 00:55.54 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 00:55.57 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 00:57.20 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: Nuu, don't leave, we were discussing China |
| 00:57.45 | Tybusen | oh boy my favorite |
| 00:58.59 | Tybusen | I think I'm close to having a new First Bunsen War chapter completed, if any of yall are interested in that |
| 01:00.29 | ImpyDroid | yiy |
| 01:03.33 | Tybusen | This new chapter is a TIAF-focused chapter, next chapter after that will be a GSC chapter where Serrada and Duke Volaraed will finally be formally introduced |
| 01:07.28 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1tYyQQW8AAx2wo.jpg:large |
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| 01:17.05 | Dillonator407 | hi |
| 01:17.37 | Tybusen | Hello |
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| 01:18.53 | Dillonator407 | hi |
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| 01:41.37 | Dillonator407 | is there a connection issue? |
| 01:42.40 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire: http://imgur.com/gallery/U38a8 |
| 01:43.08 | DrodoEmpire | olol\ |
| 01:43.33 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Malgoth_Supremus Hahaha |
| 01:44.35 | Tybusen | "Truly Chaotic Evil" ok |
| 01:48.59 | Tybusen | Hachiman: I need a cool name for a flagship real quick |
| 01:49.13 | Tybusen | Preferably one that would fit for the TIAF |
| 01:49.26 | Hachiman | The Cracker Volley |
| 01:50.01 | Hachiman | Alternately, the Divine Sandstorm |
| 01:50.45 | Tybusen | Unfortunately the TIAF isn't made up of three scantily-clad men who make campy poses |
| 01:51.22 | Tybusen | also it's Clacker Volley ya damn weeb |
| 01:51.38 | Hachiman | In which case, the Northstar Platinum / North Star |
| 01:52.35 | Dillonator407 | im not sure what names would fit it |
| 01:52.47 | Dillonator407 | The Indomitable? idk |
| 01:53.10 | DrodoEmpire | "Malgoth is one of the most intellectual beings in the universe" *tips fedora* |
| 01:53.31 | Tybusen | naming the ship "Indomitable" would be asking for it to get mauled by a T-rex/velociraptor tag team :U |
| 01:54.03 | Dillonator407 | hmmm true |
| 01:54.13 | DrodoEmpire | Ships are often named after deities, locations, or historical figures-- go for one of those? |
| 01:54.19 | DrodoEmpire | In the fiction's history that is |
| 01:54.40 | Tybusen | I might do something similar to what Hachi suggested, something like North Star, or Guide-Star or Lodestar |
| 01:54.48 | Dillonator407 | The Horrendous Failure- that way the enemey will underestimate it |
| 01:54.59 | Dillonator407 | The Valiant Star? idk |
| 01:55.12 | Tybusen | I mean I could name it after a TIAF location/history thing but there's already tons of TIAF ships named that way |
| 01:55.27 | Tybusen | Valiant Star is a possibility |
| 01:55.32 | Hachiman | Keemstar / Worldstar |
| 01:55.36 | Tybusen | no |
| 01:56.18 | Tybusen | North Star/Guidestar/Lodestar might work well because the ship I'm trying to name is Lorrelas' flagship, so it's essentially the TIAF's top flagship |
| 01:56.21 | Dillonator407 | i wonder what my ships should be naed actually |
| 01:56.42 | Hachiman | If he's the main character, definitely North Star |
| 01:56.54 | Dillonator407 | probably rather menacing or epic sounding ones even for tiny ones given my species culture |
| 01:57.30 | Dillonator407 | the Morning Star? :P |
| 01:58.21 | Tybusen | Morning Star could also work |
| 01:58.50 | Hachiman | Dawnstar |
| 01:58.52 | Hachiman | Or Allstar |
| 01:59.28 | Tybusen | Somebody once told me that i'm not gonna use allstar |
| 01:59.50 | Tybusen | Dawnstar would probably be too similar to the Dawnstar Project which is the Xonexi response to The Gorge |
| 01:59.58 | Dillonator407 | so a name with star in it basically |
| 02:00.25 | Tybusen | Yeah, at this point I'm leaning towards a star-based name |
| 02:00.44 | Hachiman | Just call it Star Platinum man |
| 02:00.57 | Dillonator407 | Gold Star :P |
| 02:01.00 | Hachiman | Like, nobody here watches / reads JoJo, they won't get the reference |
| 02:01.16 | Tybusen | Yeah but that's like too on-the-nose even for me :U |
| 02:01.30 | Hachiman | Northstar Finale |
| 02:01.40 | Dillonator407 | PrankStar :D |
| 02:01.49 | Hachiman | Or Guidestar Finale |
| 02:02.58 | Tybusen | Well now I've learned that Star Platinum is named after a song too |
| 02:03.04 | Hachiman | Hehe yes |
| 02:03.16 | Hachiman | It was also used as a reference for Hokuto no Ken |
| 02:03.31 | Dillonator407 | i have no idea what that is |
| 02:03.46 | Tybusen | Part 1 and 3 are both giant Hokuto no Ken references |
| 02:04.11 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 02:04.19 | Hachiman | Jotaro even looks like Kenshiro without the hat |
| 02:04.50 | Tybusen | All of the pt. 1-3 Jojos look like that |
| 02:05.12 | Hachiman | Eh, I wouldn't say Joseph looks like Kenshiro |
| 02:05.30 | Hachiman | Without his turban, Wamuu definitely reminds me a bit of Souther or Raoh though |
| 02:06.17 | Tybusen | Manga Joseph looks like it at some points, though I think it's partly that Joseph isn't nearly as serious a character as Jonathan or Jotaro, and his face reflects that |
| 02:08.38 | Tybusen | I've settled on USS North Star as the flagship name |
| 02:08.52 | Hachiman | aw yis |
| 02:08.55 | Hachiman | Hype as fuck |
| 02:09.01 | Dillonator407 | USS has got to be the most common prefix ever |
| 02:09.04 | Dillonator407 | for a ship |
| 02:09.09 | Tybusen | And now because of this I'm going to have to feature a scene with the ship getting rammed into another ship, and Lorrelas calling the attack "Fist of the North Star" |
| 02:09.50 | Tybusen | USS is super common yeah, but it's already been established as the TIAF's standard prefix and it's too late to change it |
| 02:10.08 | Tybusen | mostly because I'm too lazy to dive into every mention of a TIAF ship to change the prefix |
| 02:10.30 | Dillonator407 | ah i understand that |
| 02:10.47 | Dillonator407 | i wonder if Audal ships should even have prefixes |
| 02:11.16 | Tybusen | Ships don't need to have prefixes, though it does help distinguish ship's nationalities in the middle of a battle |
| 02:11.34 | Tybusen | For one, I don't think Imperial Japan had naval prefixes for their ships |
| 02:11.46 | Dillonator407 | i see |
| 02:12.37 | Tybusen | Some people might put in an "IJN" or "IJS" prefix for clarity, but officially, Japanese ships didn't use prefixes |
| 02:12.57 | Dillonator407 | the worst prefix for a ship ive ever used |
| 02:13.12 | Dillonator407 | was "ZADN-UWV" |
| 02:13.19 | Dillonator407 | good luck guessing what it means |
| 02:13.52 | Tybusen | Zoroastrians Are Definitely Naked - University of West Virginia |
| 02:14.21 | Dillonator407 | hahaha nope |
| 02:15.13 | Hachiman | Tybusen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UVKKIFQHJg and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULRyZo8dhUI |
| 02:15.45 | Dillonator407 | it was basically "Z(nation name)A(nation name still) Dynastic Navy- UnderWater Vehice |
| 02:15.49 | Dillonator407 | *Vehicle |
| 02:17.48 | Dillonator407 | such an easy to remember prefix |
| 02:19.55 | Tybusen | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibGxSCz4BEc you might find this interesting |
| 02:20.18 | Hachiman | The UNITs version is amazing |
| 02:21.57 | Tybusen | I started watching DiU, currently just finished Ep. 5 I think |
| 02:22.21 | Hachiman | Hopefully you haven't spoiled yourself |
| 02:22.22 | Dillonator407 | DiU? |
| 02:23.00 | Tybusen | Dillonator407: Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable |
| 02:23.31 | Dillonator407 | i see |
| 02:23.58 | Tybusen | Hachiman: Well I mean I already know a few of the scenes from the parts with Kira from it because I looked at Duwang meme stuff, but I don't know much about what happens in the other DiU arcs |
| 02:24.13 | Tybusen | I was surprised by how dark Okuyasu's backstory was, actually |
| 02:24.15 | Hachiman | Ah nice |
| 02:24.23 | Hachiman | And yes, Okuyasu's backstory is dark |
| 02:24.33 | Hachiman | He's also a sweetheart I love him |
| 02:25.03 | Tybusen | Yeah I was expecting him to be just a straight up dopey comic relief character but his introductory arc is pretty dark yeah |
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| 02:25.40 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 02:25.43 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: http://i.imgur.com/yrZtWDv.png |
| 02:26.19 | Tybusen | And the third episode of the Nijimura arc instantly flipped my opinion of Keicho from "lol cya dickwad" to "nononononono please don't die" |
| 02:26.45 | Tybusen | ImpyDroid: Still having trouble with that remote host closing your connection? |
| 02:27.52 | Dillonator407 | gtg |
| 02:28.58 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: Lemme see |
| 02:29.02 | Tybusen | Hachiman: I figure I might as well read Vento Aureo after I finish DiU, though Vento Aureo might get an anime adaptation announced by that point and I might just watch the Vento Aureo anime as it comes out |
| 02:29.08 | ImpyDroid | Apparently not |
| 02:29.22 | Hachiman | You may as well read it, the scans are actually good now |
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| 02:30.36 | Tybusen | Yeah, I heard that the original VA scanlations were even worse than Duwang because they were bad but not Duwang "hilariously bad" |
| 02:30.44 | Charles_Bot | Hey |
| 02:30.48 | Tybusen | Hiya |
| 02:31.21 | ImpyDroid | Duwang |
| 02:31.26 | ImpyDroid | What a lovely name |
| 02:31.34 | Tybusen | What a beautiful duwang |
| 02:32.13 | Hachiman | *chew* |
| 02:32.15 | Tybusen | Hachiman: Part 5 is probably the one part that I've spoiled myself the least as far as major plot points go, though I've still been spoiled on who gets killed/deserts the group |
| 02:32.31 | Hachiman | Ouch |
| 02:32.38 | Hachiman | Do you know about how "it just works" |
| 02:32.48 | Tybusen | Yeah I've seen it |
| 02:33.35 | Hachiman | I gotta say, VA is probably the part I wanna see most animated now, but at the same time, I partially dread it |
| 02:34.03 | Hachiman | Because there are some scenes in DiU which are... well, let's say maybe not comparable to Dragon Ball Super, but... |
| 02:34.12 | Hachiman | Not even scenes, more like certain shots |
| 02:34.24 | Tybusen | I've read that a fairly common opinion on VA is that it's really good, though it's a bit rushed in pacing which doesn't allow the main cast to get as fleshed out as in other parts |
| 02:34.36 | Tybusen | And also Diavolo is just not a good villain |
| 02:34.58 | Hachiman | Yeah, VA definitely suffers from pacing issues and the common "backstory gets tacked on at the end" thing that happens throughout JoJo |
| 02:35.04 | Hachiman | And Diavolo is... eh |
| 02:35.13 | Tybusen | I've read that those particular DiU stills were polished up in the BluRay release of DiU |
| 02:35.20 | Hachiman | They better be hur |
| 02:35.46 | Hachiman | I mean, I'm not too against Diavolo, I like his schtick and his Stand is incredibly intimidating |
| 02:36.09 | Hachiman | But he's nowhere near Kira-level of depth or DIO-level of charm and memorability |
| 02:36.47 | Hachiman | But yes, VA is very much like "Stardust Crusaders but actually done good" |
| 02:37.33 | Tybusen | I mean SC did get better in the Egypt Arc, though yeah early SC is a bit of a monster-of-the-week slog |
| 02:38.07 | Hachiman | VA I think is comparable to the Egypt Arc but all the way through and done better |
| 02:38.25 | Hachiman | You don't actually get tired of the fights in VA like you do in SC and the villains and their Stands are far better designed and / or thought out |
| 02:38.49 | Tybusen | The Egypt arc managed to turn my opinion of Polnareff and Iggy from "ugh why are you in this scene" to "eh, they're fine" |
| 02:39.28 | Tybusen | I mean I've already seen the scene where Narancia, Guido, and Pannacotta break into their torture dance |
| 02:39.30 | Hachiman | Plus all of the characters get an equal amount of significance and screentime as far as I am aware, unlike SC with Kakyoin and Avdol being left in the dust a lot of the time |
| 02:39.38 | Hachiman | That dance is fucking fantastic |
| 02:39.54 | Tybusen | Kakyoin and Avdol were criminally underused |
| 02:41.11 | Tybusen | Avdol gets killed twice, Kakyoin gets trapped in a hospital for literally the entirety of Egypt outside of when they finally confront DIO |
| 02:41.34 | Hachiman | Let's not forget he loses the first conflict he gets into when he rejoins the team |
| 02:41.51 | Hachiman | Which is with the other, and less likeable, D'arby brother |
| 02:42.17 | Tybusen | He only sees two fights after he returns, and loses both of them |
| 02:42.33 | Tybusen | First gets turned into a straw doll, then into a donut |
| 02:42.57 | Hachiman | It's sad because Hierophant Green is an amazing Stand |
| 02:43.19 | Hachiman | While Magician's Red is... a little less amazing, I suppose, by merit of being more restrictive |
| 02:43.36 | Tybusen | > Hierophant Green is an amazing stand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swGwDs-0CJE |
| 02:44.24 | Hachiman | Oh God |
| 02:44.52 | Tybusen | Magician's Red has a pretty vanilla ability set, but you also only see MR in straight-up combat situations, unlike most of the other stands who we get to see with non-combat utilities too |
| 02:45.39 | Tybusen | MR could potentially be deeper if you were creative enough with its abilities, but it's never explored because Avdol is an underused character |
| 02:46.49 | Hachiman | I mean, his final ability shown is being able to detect breath I believe |
| 02:46.56 | Hachiman | Which is a reasonably cool utility ability |
| 02:46.58 | Tybusen | Oh yeah that's right |
| 02:47.14 | Tybusen | Yeah, it's that sort of thing that I wish I could've seen more of |
| 02:47.17 | Hachiman | But unfortunately, the last opponent he fights doesn't need to breathe, I suppose, to fight |
| 02:47.50 | Tybusen | Well, Vanilla Ice's stand exists in an alternate dimension, so his fire detector thing couldn't detect it |
| 02:47.55 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 02:48.12 | Hachiman | Araki has definitely perfected Stand-to-Stand combat in DiU I believe though; the Stands there are generally far more refined |
| 02:48.52 | Tybusen | Yeah, the Stand abilities have definitely become more interesting/creative in the first few episodes of DiU I've watched |
| 02:49.07 | Hachiman | You won't see bullshit like Star Finger or shrinking your Stand to go inside of something (other than Aqua Necklace) or having your Stand suck in another Stand |
| 02:49.46 | Tybusen | Or your Stand being the same type of Stand as the big bad |
| 02:49.59 | Hachiman | Yeah, that has always rubbed me the wrong way |
| 02:50.18 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: Apparently Trump has a coat of arms http://i.imgur.com/3T1EWQY.png |
| 02:50.22 | Tybusen | Some of the SC fights do rely a bit too much a contrived coincidence |
| 02:50.30 | Hachiman | Like, I could get behind it if it was ever clarified that DIO's ability was to be able to use the powers from the Joestars' Stands, but it's not |
| 02:50.33 | ImpyDroid | It is fancy but the colours are weird |
| 02:51.05 | Tybusen | I think "same type of Stand" was Araki realizing that he actually made DIO way too powerful for the final fight |
| 02:51.45 | Hachiman | Thing is, DIO was even more powerful before Araki decided on The World having Time Stop; it was, originally, intended to possess the power of each of the other Tarot Stands |
| 02:51.49 | ImpyDroid | It is rather weird |
| 02:52.08 | Tybusen | The DIO's World arc still had that feeling of terror/mystery about Za Warudo from the main characters, even though I already knew about Time Stop |
| 02:52.24 | ImpyDroid | Especially since he uses gold on silver, which in heraldry is normally forbidden, and reserved only for the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem |
| 02:52.54 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: >implying Trump isn't a Crusader by Deus Vult-ing the Muslims in America |
| 02:53.25 | ImpyDroid | Exactly |
| 02:53.40 | Hachiman | Tybusen: I think I remember watching videos that show the scenes throughout DIO's World except the Time Stop segments are cut out to show you what it's actually like |
| 02:53.47 | Hachiman | And it's kind of terrifying |
| 02:54.02 | ImpyDroid | He also was the first POTUS to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital |
| 02:54.11 | ImpyDroid | Does that count as taking Jerusalem? |
| 02:54.16 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid: Matches his hair |
| 02:55.30 | ImpyDroid | Unfortunately orange is not allowed in heraldry |
| 02:55.37 | Wormy_ | Why not? |
| 02:56.31 | ImpyDroid | I think it dates back to the Middle Ages |
| 02:56.38 | Tybusen | Hachiman: Yeah, and it makes you realize that Time Stop is a supremely broken ability in JoJo so long as you aren't dealing with "same type of Stand" |
| 02:56.50 | ImpyDroid | Since coats of arms had to be replicated on lots of items, like shields and tabards and the like |
| 02:57.06 | Hachiman | Tybusen: Aye, except in DiU, you'll see why it's not as broken as you think |
| 02:57.06 | ImpyDroid | Only a limited amount of colours was allowed |
| 02:57.22 | Hachiman | Just wait until you reach the "Let's Go Hunting" arc |
| 02:57.25 | Tybusen | You can see how much Time Stop is nerfed in DiU because Jotaro is only allowed to use it for pretty much a split second |
| 02:57.36 | ImpyDroid | Also for identification, orange could be confused with red or yellow from a distance |
| 02:58.01 | Hachiman | I mean, it is stated that Jotaro fell out of practice of using Time Stop and Star Platinum in general if I recall |
| 02:58.01 | Wormy_ | Hm, yeah |
| 02:58.09 | Hachiman | And only recently took up Stand hunting again |
| 02:58.35 | Tybusen | Yeah, though plot-wise it's for the better because Jotaro has to use Time Stop smartly rather than as casually as DIO did |
| 02:58.49 | Hachiman | Aye, and I enjoy DiU Jotaro far more than SC Jotaro |
| 02:59.28 | Tybusen | Yeah, I already like DiU Jotaro more than SC Jotaro, his character does better in a supporting role than as a full protagonist |
| 02:59.47 | Hachiman | Also, prepare for lots of Koichi screaming |
| 03:00.22 | Tybusen | I've already watched a Koichi scream compilation |
| 03:00.37 | Tybusen | It was like 4 minutes long but it only covered episodes up to Yukako's arc |
| 03:00.58 | Hachiman | That's only like a quarter of the amount of screaming |
| 03:07.54 | DrodoEmpire | So I've been reading 1493, and I came across a very interesting sort of house the... Hakka people in China (I believe-- they were also referred to as "shack people" by other Chinese at the time, which was the 16th century) built and it gave me an idea about Drodo homes |
| 03:08.49 | DrodoEmpire | Basically the house, called a "Tulou", was a very dense, fortified rural homestead that could house an entire extended family |
| 03:08.58 | Hachiman | Huh |
| 03:09.13 | DrodoEmpire | They were often round, with the very thick walls having the apartments the clan lived in built-in with a common ground at the centre |
| 03:09.39 | DrodoEmpire | When I read it I immediately saw many rural Drodo living in similar complexes |
| 03:11.05 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps Drodo rural towns and villages are more a landscape pockmarked with dozens of this homesteads, separated by fields and the like, all built around a densely-developed area of commons and businesses and markets |
| 03:11.14 | DrodoEmpire | (As well as govt. buildings) |
| 03:11.52 | DrodoEmpire | So basically a densely-packed downtown surrounded by dozens of spaced-out clan forts |
| 03:12.38 | DrodoEmpire | I can see wealthier Drodo clans building some very impressive forts indeed |
| 03:13.23 | DrodoEmpire | Any thoughts? |
| 03:13.47 | Hachiman | Hm |
| 03:13.50 | Hachiman | Yeah I could see that |
| 03:14.00 | DrodoEmpire | Cool cool |
| 03:14.13 | Hachiman | It'd definitely break what I believe to be the conventional means of housing I think we use in the Fictionverse |
| 03:14.23 | Tybusen | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:First_Bunsen_War#The_Situation_Room Charles_Bot DrodoEmpire Hachiman ImpyDroid Monet Tek0516 Wormy_ it's here |
| 03:14.28 | DrodoEmpire | In a lot of ways yeah |
| 03:14.40 | DrodoEmpire | Though I should note that proper cities and urban centres would be pretty conventional |
| 03:15.13 | DrodoEmpire | Though... Even then you'd probably have entire clans occupying one floor of an apartment, or neighbourhood in the suburbs |
| 03:15.33 | Wormy_ | will read it later or tomorrow |
| 03:16.14 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway I wonder if the idea that a large amount, if not a majority, of Drodo living in armed forts for much of Drodo history may've shaped Drodo culture to *be* so distrusting of federal governments in the first place |
| 03:17.25 | DrodoEmpire | A populace which is divided into extremely tight-knit families, and living in fortified complexes *is* hard to oppress, after all |
| 03:17.42 | DrodoEmpire | Add that onto the scepticism Drodo already have of the Empire in general |
| 03:18.15 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: I'll take a look |
| 03:18.24 | Hachiman | Tybusen: Empress of the Levisala summons her Stand |
| 03:19.47 | Tybusen | Jaysmoth - we have a brilliant new discovery- | Kagiykana - MY STAND WILL BE THE JUDGE OF THAT! ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA |
| 03:23.52 | Hachiman | But yeah, pretty awesome section |
| 03:24.33 | Hachiman | Good to see that those in charge of TIAF's military assets and resources have chemistry with one another beyond simple professionalism |
| 03:26.06 | Hachiman | and, of course, we need lorrelas to uncover the secret of kagiykana's stand before it's too late |
| 03:27.51 | Tybusen | Lorrelas - It seems my Stand... is the same type of Stand as KAGIYKANA... |
| 03:27.59 | Hachiman | Tybusen: https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/15977243_1884224091809178_1758561503788996105_n.jpg?oh=3af510204a9f893681785c6ff4f68307&oe=590B3FEA Speaking of which |
| 03:29.45 | Tybusen | I've been thinking of taking cues from DIO's World for the first fights that the TIAF has against any of the Skal'Vokra, having to deal with extremely powerful foes who can kill them in the blink of an eye |
| 03:30.41 | Hachiman | It's gonna be interesting |
| 03:32.50 | Tybusen | Next chapter of FBW is gonna be GSC-focused, though, and the main GSC plot has a more mundane conflict than the main TIAF/Levisala plot |
| 03:33.22 | Hachiman | Eugh, Hamon battles man |
| 03:35.13 | Tybusen | Spodist Yellow Overdrive |
| 03:35.57 | Hachiman | I honestly dunno how anyone can defend Hamon as being better than Stands |
| 03:36.27 | Hachiman | Like, I've seen people say that Stands are "glorified Pokemon battles" because apparently no actual punches are thrown and all the Stand users have to do is stand around with minimal effort |
| 03:37.49 | Tybusen | I mean, Jonathan-era Hamon battles are pretty much just typical Shonen fights with electricity effects |
| 03:38.10 | Tybusen | Joseph-era Hamon battles are entertaining because of Joseph's creativity when it comes to fighting |
| 03:38.16 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 03:38.45 | Tybusen | I think most people equate typical Stand battles as "Jotaro ORAs the shit out of the other guy" |
| 03:39.11 | Tybusen | Which, to be fair, most of early Stardust Crusaders boils down to "Jotaro figures out how to ORA the shit out of the other guy" |
| 03:39.45 | Hachiman | I wouldn't blame people for not liking SC because of how Stands are handled, but past DiU, there is a lot of physical activity and crucial human activity that needs to take place for battles to be won |
| 03:40.53 | Tybusen | I think the "glorified Pokemon battles" line of thinking probably has to do with the scene of Star Platinum and The World trading attack rushes being one of the iconic SC scenes |
| 03:41.33 | Hachiman | Eh, true |
| 03:44.01 | Hachiman | I think the thing that sells Stands over Hamon for me is that, we kinda saw the limits of Hamon's uses in BT; we already know that it only negatively affects vampires and other undead and is otherwise a healing art for normal people, and beyond that, it's a dying practice |
| 03:44.20 | Hachiman | Meanwhile, Stands have literally *endless* creativity that can be applied to them |
| 03:44.31 | Hachiman | And the rules allow for letting literally almost anyone have one |
| 03:44.40 | Tybusen | Yeah, Hamon is definitely limited compared to Stands |
| 03:45.19 | Tybusen | I'd say BT Hamon is superior to a good part of SC's Stand fights because BT pushed the limits of Hamon and SC hadn't figured out how to utilize the versatility of Stands yet |
| 03:45.28 | Hachiman | This is true |
| 03:45.41 | Hachiman | And each Hamon fight in BT was far more interesting and entertaining to watch |
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| 03:46.30 | Tybusen | Late SC and onward beats out Hamon because Araki got more creative with Stand abilities, like with Crazy Diamond and The Hand |
| 03:47.31 | Hachiman | Stands like Bad Company are also a step up from what they were in SC |
| 03:47.36 | Tybusen | I think D'Arby the Elder is the watershed when Stand fights started getting on par with and surpassing BT's Hamon |
| 03:47.56 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 03:48.07 | Hachiman | The D'Arby Elder "fight" is just perfect |
| 03:48.51 | Hachiman | And it really shows that JoJo isn't just about physical action anymore - fights are like puzzles which require you to do more than just put the pieces together to complete |
| 03:49.17 | Tybusen | D'Arby is when Araki started to realize he could utilize Stands in more ways than direct confrontations, in the same way that BT is when Hamon was used for more than just powering up punches |
| 03:51.05 | Hachiman | We also get Stand lore in DiU which is good, considering we're never told where the fuck they come from in SC |
| 03:51.13 | Hachiman | And why apparently everyone has one |
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| 10:16.09 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 10:16.56 | NeonPanda | hi |
| 10:17.27 | Liquid_Ink | How are you? |
| 10:19.00 | NeonPanda | not too bad, yourself? |
| 10:19.29 | Liquid_Ink | Really bored |
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| 10:57.41 | dino82_ | hi |
| 10:57.54 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 11:09.14 | dino82_ | :D |
| 11:10.36 | Liquid_Ink | How are you? |
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| 11:30.03 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:33.16 | dino82_ | @Liquid: Great! Had another great sport session! How are you? |
| 11:33.24 | dino82_ | Fiction wise currently working on the Finduila sector |
| 11:34.04 | Liquid_Ink | Pretty good |
| 11:39.33 | dino82_ | Great to hear! |
| 11:39.35 | dino82_ | Any fiction plans? |
| 11:40.16 | Liquid_Ink | I'm hoping to get some plot progression with the Second Great Cyrannus War |
| 11:40.27 | Liquid_Ink | I have some nifty ideas for the Iron Bloc |
| 11:52.55 | dino82_ | @Liquid: Oh looknig forward to that! |
| 11:53.03 | dino82_ | If you want to draw in or use my fiction, feel free! |
| 11:53.23 | dino82_ | Question, for the finduila sector (which is smaller than Q82), how large a fleet of occupation be there? |
| 11:53.45 | dino82_ | Seeing the Galactic Empire (Star Wars) had over 25.000 star destroyers in use at its peak |
| 11:54.42 | Liquid_Ink | I'm not sure |
| 11:56.24 | Liquid_Ink | What exactly will be occupying, and why? |
| 11:56.29 | dino82_ | The Finduila Sector |
| 11:56.37 | dino82_ | why, to ensure food production and Imperial territores |
| 11:56.50 | dino82_ | I was thinking about 1952 star destroyers |
| 11:57.17 | Ghelae | It's the Cyrannian Empire occupying it, Liquid. |
| 11:57.24 | Ghelae | 1952 is probably plenty. |
| 11:57.27 | Ghelae | looks at how big it is |
| 11:57.34 | Liquid_Ink | Ah, I see |
| 11:57.57 | Liquid_Ink | Yeah, a round two thousand would be well enough |
| 11:58.54 | Ghelae | So the Netherlands has a population of 150 billion; assuming 100 million per planet that's still 1500 planets, so one Star Destroyer per planet and 452 left over for other systems in the sector. |
| 11:59.46 | Ghelae | That's enough, yes. |
| 12:00.04 | dino82_ | Thanks! So I will remove the line that they are pretty rare :d |
| 12:00.09 | dino82_ | As for Gozanti, probably double then |
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| 12:00.23 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:02.33 | dino82_ | hi |
| 12:14.50 | dino82_ | the heavy cannons of a Autokrator-class: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:LegatusBattlegroupAutokratorGozantiFighters.png |
| 12:15.03 | Liquid_Ink | Nice |
| 12:36.25 | Liquid_Ink | Test |
| 12:36.30 | Liquid_Ink | All hail Chanserv |
| 12:36.32 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/LUQngUr.png |
| 12:39.35 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/gq2FiNZ.png |
| 12:39.56 | Liquid_Ink | Oh dear |
| 12:42.31 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/efx5ncT.png |
| 12:43.39 | Liquid_Ink | Demon |
| 12:46.28 | Liquid_Ink | Goodnight |
| 12:46.35 | Wormy_ | night! |
| 12:47.07 | Wormy_ | If you visit obscure areas of the multiverse, don't panic |
| 12:48.37 | dino82_ | @Liquid: Test recieved! |
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| 14:29.28 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
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| 15:49.09 | dino82_ | hi |
| 15:49.35 | Monet | hi |
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| 16:23.56 | Technobliterator | I have no idea what I will eat today :| |
| 16:25.36 | DrodoEmpire | food <.< |
| 16:26.08 | Technobliterator | I guess that part |
| 16:26.12 | Technobliterator | guessed even |
| 16:29.08 | DrodoEmpire | Eh, I know in my town there's nothing to do, but the one thing we have plenty of is restaurants-- so I try and go to ones I never went to before when I can |
| 16:29.17 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe try someplace or something new if you have the time/money? |
| 16:29.25 | DrodoEmpire | (Over where you are, of course) |
| 16:30.05 | Technobliterator | I have very little money, and very little restaurants, and am mostly limited to fast food :P |
| 16:30.51 | Monet | WHat's your budget |
| 16:31.00 | Technobliterator | like a fiver or so |
| 16:31.03 | Technobliterator | really low |
| 16:31.14 | Monet | Greggs. |
| 16:31.51 | Monet | For that kind of money you can buy a sub, a baked yummy and a drink. |
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| 16:32.27 | Monet | And you might have a pound or pound-and-a-half left over. |
| 16:32.48 | Technobliterator | There is no greggs nearby, alas |
| 16:33.21 | Monet | Coffee shops like Costa or Coffee Republic make really nice sandwiches and paninis. |
| 16:33.33 | Technobliterator | And there are none of them nearby either q_q |
| 16:33.47 | Technobliterator | I might just get fish and chips or something stupid like that |
| 16:34.00 | Monet | Well that'd be me dead of starvation. |
| 16:37.39 | Technobliterator | I have a Sainsbury's nearby to buy food to cook with, a few pubs, and a chippie, and that's basically it |
| 16:37.50 | Technobliterator | It's a pretty lame part of Stoke |
| 16:38.24 | Monet | Do Sainsbury's offer sandwiches? |
| 16:38.37 | Monet | (your sainsbury's I mean) |
| 16:43.03 | Technobliterator | They do, but I wouldn't really have it for dinner |
| 16:44.09 | Monet | Works for lunch |
| 17:08.12 | dino82_ | test |
| 17:10.39 | Wormy_ | Awww, not Stoke :/ |
| 17:15.26 | Wormy_ | I'd get a small pizza, maybe if you can afford it, get some extra onions, tomatoes, that sort of thing |
| 17:15.40 | Wormy_ | or make a cheap pasta |
| 17:18.48 | Technobliterator | I'm getting a small pizza another day |
| 17:18.49 | Technobliterator | \o/ |
| 17:19.26 | Wormy_ | you can never have pizza too many times |
| 17:19.55 | Wormy_ | *never not |
| 18:08.28 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Timonax New non-Drodo char |
| 18:12.10 | *** join/#sporewiki Xho (97e6a92b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.230.169.43) |
| 18:14.42 | DrodoEmpire | Hey Xho |
| 18:14.53 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Timonax New non-Drodo char, in case you're interested |
| 18:15.10 | DrodoEmpire | I need a guy to do character fics reliably with without being tied down to a government or command position |
| 18:15.49 | *** join/#sporewiki NeonPanda (65b343e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.179.67.233) |
| 18:17.22 | Xho | DrodoEmpire: >AFRAID OF ELEPHANTS |
| 18:17.30 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 18:22.51 | Xho | Hate to say it but I am officially going off the deep end |
| 18:22.59 | DrodoEmpire | ? |
| 18:23.13 | Xho | I hate my work situation so much I went berserk at my parents earlier for no reason |
| 18:23.51 | DrodoEmpire | Oh |
| 18:24.07 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, I wish I could offer advice |
| 18:24.35 | DrodoEmpire | Have you considered seeing a professional, or even talking to friends/family? I mean... |
| 18:24.42 | DrodoEmpire | Its none of my business but still |
| 18:24.57 | DrodoEmpire | While we're discussing it I figure I should ask |
| 18:40.02 | Xho | Well I tried anti-depressants but they don't sit well with me |
| 18:41.15 | Xho | They have some idea that I'm incapable of doing things by myself and this morning I wasn't having it |
| 18:42.54 | DrodoEmpire | Right. |
| 18:43.09 | Wormy_ | My only real advice I can give is talk to people, and try to avoid thinking negatively - negative thoughts reinforce bad habits and thus feelings. Its a shame whoever you spoke to just fobbed you off with antidepressents, the work for some people but not all or in all situations. Therapists are good people to speak to to cut to underlying issues |
| 18:43.41 | Xho | I'm fully aware of what the issue is |
| 18:43.50 | Xho | But it's the primary controlling factor of my life at the moment |
| 18:44.04 | *** join/#sporewiki OluapPlayer (b164faee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.100.250.238) |
| 18:44.05 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o OluapPlayer] by ChanServ |
| 18:44.47 | Xho | ups |
| 18:45.44 | Wormy_ | Do you get any time at all to do other things? Like find new hobbies and stuff. I started running and brewing wine and cider last year ad it takes the mind off |
| 18:46.10 | Xho | Nice |
| 18:46.15 | Xho | Playing guitar but that's it |
| 18:46.31 | Xho | That has kind of blurred into the machine-like routine though |
| 18:46.38 | OluapPlayer | aaaa |
| 18:46.46 | Wormy_ | Maybe there are guitar clubs out there |
| 18:47.04 | Wormy_ | Hm, machine-like routine tends to reinforce bad habits in me, personally |
| 18:47.09 | Xho | Possibly |
| 18:47.29 | Xho | I would have thought that having Aspergers (not trying to generalise) would mean that routines are comfortable |
| 18:47.36 | Wormy_ | I get fed up with it - maybe try to stop seeking routines if its sapping joy oiut of things |
| 18:47.56 | Xho | I for one hate routines with a passion |
| 18:47.57 | Wormy_ | Not at all, because while I am routine based, my routines reinforce bad habits |
| 18:48.28 | Xho | My hatred in routine is evident on the wiki where I don't stick to anything for an amount of time |
| 18:48.36 | Wormy_ | I hate my aspergic routines because they stop me doing new things, distract me from important things, or generally use them to avoid things I don't like |
| 18:49.11 | Wormy_ | Today I went to the dump though and chucked out loads of cold tat from my room, so that's a slight improvement in my life |
| 18:49.16 | Wormy_ | *old |
| 18:49.36 | Xho | My friend lent me a book called The Chimp Paradox, might have heard of it |
| 18:50.51 | Wormy_ | seems like an interesting book |
| 18:51.46 | Wormy_ | It took me a long time to realise my habits, avoidance and thoughts on things act like self-restraining chain. I don't know whether it applies to your or not, but one ca start snipping at it |
| 18:51.47 | OluapPlayer | ook |
| 18:52.11 | Xho | My primary habit is overthinking |
| 18:52.25 | Xho | My mind is like a white noise held together by PVA glue |
| 18:52.59 | Monet | hmm |
| 18:53.02 | OluapPlayer | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/bENThDK.jpg |
| 18:53.03 | Wormy_ | I find my mind becomes most distracted when I have to do something important |
| 18:53.23 | DrodoEmpire | Oluap: ohgod |
| 18:53.31 | Xho | OluapPlayer: KABOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOM |
| 18:53.58 | Wormy_ | aye |
| 18:54.03 | Xho | My overthinking has got to a point where it's actually gone full circle and it almost feels as if I don't think whatsoever |
| 18:54.05 | Monet | Xho: This is going to sound "out there" I found that some time meditating can help 'sort' the thought processes. |
| 18:54.34 | Wormy_ | Yeah, I find meditation is helpful |
| 18:54.53 | Wormy_ | In fact its how I realised I ha a negative thought chain |
| 18:55.16 | Wormy_ | Only later learned this idea is used as a basis for therapy |
| 18:56.38 | Xho | It's difficult to take on a positive thought mode when your environments present little to no positivity though |
| 18:56.46 | Xho | Even home is becoming toxic |
| 18:56.54 | Xho | Not because there's a schism in my family or anything |
| 18:56.59 | Xho | But I'm becoming very bored with it |
| 18:58.41 | Wormy_ | Actually, trying to think positively often will generate a new routine or habit |
| 18:58.50 | Wormy_ | And unfulfilment |
| 18:59.13 | Wormy_ | But, one can feel or recognise and negative trait, and stop it in its tracks |
| 19:04.52 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire: Very curious about your Macedonian character |
| 19:04.58 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
| 19:05.14 | Wormy_ | How he will adapt, if even can, to the culture shock |
| 19:05.39 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:05.48 | DrodoEmpire | That'll be a huge conflict of his, definitely |
| 19:05.51 | *** join/#sporewiki Hachiman (5aff3d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.255.61.0) |
| 19:05.56 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 19:06.00 | DrodoEmpire | Hey hachi |
| 19:06.13 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Timonax - You might be interested in this Hachi |
| 19:06.15 | dino82_ | Hi Hachi! |
| 19:06.57 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, Timonax is by nature a strong guy, physically and emotionally but yeah the initial shock and realisation that everything he knew was millenia in the past will devastate him |
| 19:07.03 | dino82_ | @Drodo: Oh an ancient earth character on the wiki :D |
| 19:07.06 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:07.52 | Hachiman | Oh wow |
| 19:07.58 | Hachiman | That's an interesting concept |
| 19:08.04 | Wormy_ | I wonder how the cognitive models in his head and his way of perceiving the world could adapt |
| 19:08.12 | Xho | TIMONAX THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND FUCK YOU ALEXANDRE |
| 19:08.23 | Wormy_ | (not a criticism btw, its an open question in my mind) |
| 19:08.30 | DrodoEmpire | Xho: ayy lmao |
| 19:08.36 | DrodoEmpire | Nah that's a good point Wormy |
| 19:08.42 | DrodoEmpire | Thanks Hachi :3 |
| 19:08.48 | Hachiman | I'll admit, I had a similar idea once about a WW1 or WW2 US Air Force pilot being abducted in the midst of a battle and being thrust into the 2800s |
| 19:08.55 | DrodoEmpire | I plan to use him in character fics |
| 19:09.07 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah well NOT ANYMORE FAGIT |
| 19:09.10 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 19:09.19 | Hachiman | fug u cunt |
| 19:09.29 | DrodoEmpire | jk, that might be cool too though |
| 19:09.42 | DrodoEmpire | I didn't trademark the idea after all |
| 19:10.10 | Wormy_ | Children who weren't exposed to many people over a certain age won't develop language skills very far. But the point is he has developed language skills while his brain was plastic enough to, and might be universal enough to be taught 29th century meanings |
| 19:10.20 | Xho | Hachiman: inb4 it's actually Tom Cruise while filming Top Gun |
| 19:10.22 | Hachiman | I mean I was thinking kind of something like a John Carter of Mars-type deal |
| 19:10.31 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 19:10.44 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: Well, I figure yeah |
| 19:10.47 | Xho | Tom Cruise in the 2800s >tfw Scientology is fucking real |
| 19:10.51 | DrodoEmpire | olol |
| 19:11.02 | dino82_ | Interessting concept, will he topple current governments or leaders by his ancient insights? |
| 19:11.02 | Wormy_ | On the other hand, there's anecdotal stories of islanders who had triouble percieving the sails or ships, or indeed the ships themselves of European seafarers until they landed |
| 19:11.14 | Hachiman | Gonna be interesting seeing what happens with Timonax given the obvious that he comes from a time waaay before stuff like extraterrestrials and space exploration and whatnot were a thing |
| 19:11.20 | Hachiman | Or even ideas of a thing |
| 19:11.24 | DrodoEmpire | He's far too recent to have a significantly different brain structure by evolution, and he probably knows several ancient languages very well |
| 19:11.43 | DrodoEmpire | Ohh yeah its all gonna be completely beyond his comprehension, at least at first |
| 19:12.15 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: I'd chalk that up to a lack of comprehension |
| 19:12.34 | Wormy_ | It'd be like a super acid trip I guess |
| 19:12.41 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:13.06 | Hachiman | At some point, Timonax should deck himself out with cybernetics and other augmentations and enhancements |
| 19:13.13 | Hachiman | And prove himself as still being a badass |
| 19:13.18 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:13.25 | DrodoEmpire | I plan on having him be a warrior or a hired gun |
| 19:13.49 | Wormy_ | Or maybe he could be a baseline badass, beating giant aliens with superior skill |
| 19:13.52 | DrodoEmpire | Warfare being pretty well the only thing he knows, having spent his entire adult life in the Macedonian army |
| 19:13.57 | DrodoEmpire | Either-or yeah |
| 19:14.10 | Hachiman | That'd be interesting |
| 19:14.24 | OluapPlayer | wut if the alien is also skilled tho |
| 19:14.27 | OluapPlayer | 'umie fukin dies |
| 19:14.46 | Xho | lol pink ass squishie |
| 19:14.47 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 19:15.01 | Wormy_ | This could be a middle finger to 'umies are weak imo |
| 19:15.05 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:15.14 | DrodoEmpire | I dislike that trope personally |
| 19:15.28 | Wormy_ | same |
| 19:15.46 | Hachiman | Timonax comes from a time where human men were actually men and you only survived by being the strongest and smartest of your circles |
| 19:15.50 | Xho | LOL PINK ASS SQUISHIE WAT IT D00 BITCH ASS NIGGA |
| 19:15.51 | Hachiman | I reckon he'll be fine |
| 19:15.51 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, I'ma write a short-story to introduce him to the fictionverse... Dunno if I should or even could have any collaborative element to it |
| 19:16.16 | Hachiman | Depends how you plan to introduce him |
| 19:16.32 | OluapPlayer | as opposed to the 2800s where men are no longer men, but another kind of animal altogether |
| 19:16.40 | Hachiman | Well, yes |
| 19:16.44 | DrodoEmpire | Well, I was thinking the story would begin from the very start-- him rolling out of the cryopod in a cold sweat |
| 19:16.47 | Hachiman | French people are superhumans now |
| 19:17.12 | DrodoEmpire | They put chemicals in their water to make themselves smart... AND TURN THE FROGS GAY |
| 19:17.18 | Wormy_ | But the average Frenchman might not be used to physical discomfort, or battle |
| 19:17.25 | DrodoEmpire | Definitely not |
| 19:17.32 | DrodoEmpire | Most Frenchmen live pretty idle lives |
| 19:17.39 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: Several centuries' worth of vomit and headaches in bound |
| 19:17.44 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:17.52 | DrodoEmpire | Its the minority that actually get up and involved in politics, government, business, or the military |
| 19:17.58 | DrodoEmpire | At least, that's how it used to be |
| 19:18.01 | Wormy_ | In the Vikings series, the Saxon armies are a bit idle and get slaughtered by Ragnar's men |
| 19:18.06 | OluapPlayer | SporeWiki: several centuries' worth of vomit |
| 19:18.10 | Hachiman | olol |
| 19:18.12 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 19:18.20 | Hachiman | Wormy_: I love Vikings |
| 19:18.29 | Xho | >INTERSPECIES ROMANCE |
| 19:18.32 | dino82_ | lol |
| 19:18.35 | Wormy_ | I'm getting obsessed in this series, nearing end of 2 right now |
| 19:18.52 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Gonna pry but you wanna play TF2 |
| 19:18.52 | DrodoEmpire | From there he'd be rescued by the IDMP, and... Hm |
| 19:18.58 | Hachiman | Favourite character was definitely Athelstan |
| 19:18.59 | OluapPlayer | I don't |
| 19:19.07 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe he'd escape? |
| 19:19.08 | Xho | can't blame me for trying |
| 19:19.10 | Xho | or can you |
| 19:19.17 | Wormy_ | Hachi: My fav character is The Seer, and Ragnar's shieldmaiden |
| 19:19.28 | Hachiman | Aye she's awesome |
| 19:20.11 | Wormy_ | I really like the scenes where King Egbert makes reference to the Romans |
| 19:20.23 | Wormy_ | gives them a real Atlantis feel |
| 19:20.33 | Hachiman | Yeah that was awesome |
| 19:21.15 | Wormy_ | I've stopped watching GoT, I much prefer the characters in Vikings to GoT |
| 19:21.57 | Wormy_ | Also, one can stop liking the Viking characters when they pillage England, but like them when they return to Scandinavia |
| 19:22.07 | Wormy_ | well depends |
| 19:22.18 | Hachiman | On the contrary, I like the Viking characters even when they pillage England |
| 19:22.29 | Hachiman | They behave like Vikings actually do |
| 19:22.32 | Hachiman | Or, did |
| 19:22.35 | Wormy_ | One realises how cruel say, Floki can be |
| 19:22.46 | Wormy_ | I still route for the Vikings of course |
| 19:23.43 | Wormy_ | Still, the Saxons weren'rt pushovers, at least in earlier times |
| 19:24.00 | Wormy_ | When they invaded England |
| 19:24.17 | OluapPlayer | wher da horns at |
| 19:24.59 | dino82_ | Oh updates to the Mendal Schism! |
| 19:25.43 | Monet | Real Men don't wear penises on their helmets. |
| 19:26.27 | NeonPanda | the horns were for ceremonial garb, not battle wear |
| 19:27.12 | NeonPanda | also Monet: the chevron used in rank insignia started as a phallic symbol, so even if real men don't wear penises on their helmets they sure do wear them on their sleeves :P |
| 19:27.53 | DrodoEmpire | Ah fuck it |
| 19:27.56 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.08 | DrodoEmpire | Does anybody want to collab on an intro fic for Timonax? >.< |
| 19:28.14 | DrodoEmpire | Or provide ideas for plot? |
| 19:28.58 | DrodoEmpire | NeonPanda: So... Basically as soldiers are promoted to higher and higher ranks their sleeves get more and more dicks stacked on top of eachother? |
| 19:29.09 | NeonPanda | DrodoEmpire: that is exactly what is going on |
| 19:29.13 | NeonPanda | the man with more penises is more manly |
| 19:29.14 | DrodoEmpire | Nice |
| 19:31.59 | OluapPlayer | ghey |
| 19:33.20 | Hachiman | Makes me wonder if-- Actually I already know the answer, at least on account of Zazane hur |
| 19:33.44 | Hachiman | That is, if SporeWiki aliens also derive symbols and meaning from phallic imagery |
| 19:34.08 | Hachiman | And related imagery |
| 19:37.48 | NeonPanda | well I'd say it's almost a given simply for the same reasons humans did it |
| 19:37.59 | Wormy_ | It's conceivable that all creative species with penises will symbolise them for exactly the same reasons |
| 19:38.11 | Ghelaway | DrodoEmpire: As far as I can contribute from fiction that I've had much to do with... there could easily be space habitats in the Milky Way Cooperative where people choose to live lifestyles from various periods of different planets' histories, so Timonax could well find a fairly authentic Classical/Hellenistic Greece world. |
| 19:38.16 | Ghelaway | However, it wouldn't be all good. |
| 19:38.37 | Wormy_ | He might try to rally people for battle or something |
| 19:38.48 | Ghelaway | There's no real conflict in the Cooperative: any combat he finds will be at best wargames or reenactment, with no real goal in mind, so it would all feel fake to him. |
| 19:39.21 | Wormy_ | and get covered in sealant gel if he tried to do it for real |
| 19:39.33 | Wormy_ | or however it works |
| 19:39.46 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, I think it'd be more like giving a knight a job as a medieval reenactor than anything else |
| 19:40.01 | Ghelaway | So these Cooperative habitats could provide a way for him to get partly acclimatised to the modern world, but he'd become disillusioned from the idea of settling down there. |
| 19:40.06 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:40.19 | Ghelaway | gtg again |
| 19:40.24 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm, that might actually be a good plot point... |
| 19:40.24 | Wormy_ | Perhaps he could be slowly adapted to 29th century through a series of habs |
| 19:40.26 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, kk |
| 19:40.39 | DrodoEmpire | Well, he wouldn't want to be treated as a patient or anything |
| 19:41.06 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps... Hm |
| 19:41.09 | Wormy_ | He'd be free to stay or leave in this situation |
| 19:42.06 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps after being rescued by the IDMP, he attempts an escape attempt only to be captured again. After this attempt its decided by the IDMP to release him from custody and hand him over to a Cooperative Habitat simulating Ancient Greece |
| 19:42.18 | DrodoEmpire | The hope being he could settle down |
| 19:42.43 | Wormy_ | certainly possible |
| 19:43.05 | DrodoEmpire | However, he doesn't. While more familiar, perhaps he'd find this simulated world even *more* disturbing |
| 19:43.31 | DrodoEmpire | Due to knowing its not real, and all the little things that aren't *quite* right |
| 19:43.43 | DrodoEmpire | Plus he'd find himself unemployed |
| 19:44.21 | DrodoEmpire | So after a couple months, he leaves to decides to again face the future, his nerves a bit more at ease, at least |
| 19:45.02 | Wormy_ | Then one needs to work out how he'd become a mercenary or something |
| 19:45.12 | Hachiman | I mean |
| 19:45.21 | Hachiman | Andromeda has a Zazane-populated war zone |
| 19:45.26 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:45.27 | Hachiman | He could easily find work there |
| 19:46.09 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps there're little historical inaccuracies in the world, like how the Greeks speak a dialect of Greek that isn't familiar to him (maybe the Greek is from the Roman period?), technology that didn't exist at the time of his abduction, incorrect worship of the gods, etc. |
| 19:46.37 | DrodoEmpire | That'd all be really insidious and disturbing to him, no doubt |
| 19:46.45 | Hachiman | Yeah, I imagine that would be immensely disturbing |
| 19:46.57 | Hachiman | That's actually uncanny valley-level of horror |
| 19:47.00 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:47.10 | DrodoEmpire | Exactly |
| 19:47.14 | *** join/#sporewiki Dillonator407 (79d8e97b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.216.233.123) |
| 19:47.17 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 19:47.24 | Dillonator407 | hi |
| 19:48.59 | Wormy_ | Perhaps AI utility fog preventing him being rough with people |
| 19:49.25 | Wormy_ | Like even a friendly thump on the back |
| 19:49.40 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, I can see him lashing out a little during his stay |
| 19:49.58 | Dillonator407 | who are you talking about? |
| 19:50.06 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe he tries to beat the shit out of a guy who patronises him with annoying questions xD |
| 19:50.12 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Timonax |
| 19:50.14 | dino82_ | Hi Dillo! |
| 19:50.16 | DrodoEmpire | New char of mine |
| 19:50.21 | dino82_ | One interessting to say :D |
| 19:50.25 | Dillonator407 | hi dino |
| 19:50.27 | dino82_ | Hope he will have ltos of adventures! |
| 19:50.29 | Dillonator407 | ill take a look |
| 19:50.37 | dino82_ | Will you create an actual character png of him? |
| 19:50.45 | DrodoEmpire | I'm no good with Spore, so no |
| 19:50.50 | DrodoEmpire | Feel free! |
| 19:51.00 | DrodoEmpire | (If that's what you're getting at anyway <.<) |
| 19:51.18 | Wormy_ | I wonder how his religious beliefs would adapt in the perspective of peopples who harness the stars for power |
| 19:51.29 | Dillonator407 | interesting |
| 19:51.45 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: Good point |
| 19:52.08 | DrodoEmpire | Hey thanks Dillon |
| 19:52.08 | Wormy_ | and build worlds rather than sit in a city on Mount Vesuvius |
| 19:52.37 | DrodoEmpire | dino82_ bonus points if you can figure out how to make linothorax or a Thracian/Phrygian helmet in Spore |
| 19:52.49 | Dillonator407 | i should really work a bit more on my characters |
| 19:53.02 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, its a lot of fun |
| 19:53.30 | Dillonator407 | it seems like it |
| 19:54.14 | Wormy_ | Drodo: Will he continue weariong his original atire, or perhaps adapt his attire to be more contemporary |
| 19:54.47 | Ghelaway | Are there details of life in 4th century BC Greece that aren't known to us today? Attempts to guess those, or missing them out entirely, could be the source of historical inaccuracies that nobody of the 29th century would even realise (compared to, say, speaking a dialect of Greek from centuries later), and that could really stand out to him. |
| 19:55.11 | DrodoEmpire | Could yeah |
| 19:55.32 | DrodoEmpire | But by their very nature *I* can't really write about those gaps XD |
| 19:55.50 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe some knowledge of the past was lost since the 21st century or overlooked for practical reasons |
| 19:55.52 | DrodoEmpire | *? |
| 19:55.54 | ImpyDroid | Monet Wormy_: https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=wj6G8ENQWMg |
| 19:56.21 | Wormy_ | Arguably, more will be known in the 29th century, but a lot more of it might be more speculative |
| 19:56.27 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: Well, I figure he'd always prefer traditional attire, and I did write that he finds contemporary garb to be strange and disturbing |
| 19:56.30 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah true |
| 19:56.39 | DrodoEmpire | So maybe things are changed for practical reasons, then |
| 19:56.42 | Ghelaway | I can imagine people would overlook quite a few things for practical reasons. The inhabitants of the habitat probably aren't devout believers in the Greek religion, for example. |
| 19:56.43 | DrodoEmpire | Or ethical ones |
| 19:56.45 | Dillonator407 | maybe |
| 19:57.07 | ImpyDroid | What are we talking about? |
| 19:57.11 | DrodoEmpire | My new char |
| 19:57.16 | Ghelaway | Ethics could be another good source of differences, yes. |
| 19:57.24 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: Practically though he may have to wear contemporary clothing though |
| 19:57.34 | DrodoEmpire | Ghelaway: Yeah I dunno if animal sacrifices would fly |
| 19:57.36 | OluapPlayer | ImpyDroid: I tried getting your attention hours ago grr |
| 19:57.50 | DrodoEmpire | ImpyDroid: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Timonax |
| 19:57.55 | Ghelaway | Domesticated plants and creatures are likely to have changed in the intervening millennia, so they'll look familiar but quite wrong too. |
| 19:58.00 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:58.11 | Dillonator407 | thats a good point |
| 19:58.16 | Wormy_ | Yes, foods would be different |
| 19:58.21 | DrodoEmpire | A lot of theories say that wheat used to be much taller, for example |
| 19:58.25 | Wormy_ | In fact they have changed in the century |
| 19:58.37 | DrodoEmpire | And crops used to be full of weeds |
| 19:58.45 | Wormy_ | A lot of supermarket cultivars are bred for appearence rather than flavour |
| 19:58.49 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:58.50 | ImpyDroid | NeonPanda: You sure chevrons originated from images of dick |
| 19:58.53 | ImpyDroid | dicks |
| 19:59.22 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm would these habitats be more tourist attractions or serious social projects Ghel? |
| 19:59.23 | ImpyDroid | AFAIK the chevron originated in heraldry |
| 19:59.40 | DrodoEmpire | That'd influence how seriously the inhabitants take it, too |
| 19:59.41 | Wormy_ | Even regional variation. Spanish markets have much bigger fruit and veg and use different breeds than I'm used to |
| 19:59.51 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:00.12 | DrodoEmpire | It *is* just a general Greek simulation-- he hails from Epirus which was on the periphery of Greek civilisation |
| 20:00.32 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: >Timonax unfrozen >the Drodo Empire's national debt skyrockets |
| 20:00.34 | DrodoEmpire | Notable for their lack of polises (city states) |
| 20:00.40 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 20:00.41 | NeonPanda | ImpyDroid: chevrons are a really, REALLY old symbol |
| 20:01.14 | Wormy_ | And people in it probably aren't devout followers, as was said. They will bring in contemporary habits and thought processes |
| 20:01.20 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:01.21 | Ghelaway | There'll be both tourist attractions and dedicated historical replicas. The former might be more common, but if even if there's just one of the latter then Timonax should be sent there. |
| 20:01.28 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 20:01.34 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: It could be a sort of WestWorld-esque thing (probably better examples but that jumped to mind first) where the "pop culture" version is used as the base, for the interest of visitors. |
| 20:01.37 | ImpyDroid | True but I am not sure if ia not just an arbitrary geometric symbol that just happened to look cool |
| 20:01.50 | ImpyDroid | Like the cross, or the saltire |
| 20:01.54 | DrodoEmpire | Tek0516: Could be |
| 20:01.56 | Wormy_ | Timonax will probably be bugged by historians |
| 20:02.02 | Ghelaway | Although the point about regional variation is important: there might not be enough avid fans of Ancient Greek life in the Cooperative for there to be a specific Epirus habitat. |
| 20:02.03 | DrodoEmpire | Ohhhh yeah |
| 20:02.12 | DrodoEmpire | Ghelaway: Yeah |
| 20:02.13 | OluapPlayer | Fuck sake |
| 20:02.25 | NeonPanda | oh no, it was very much a phallic thing, as the up-pointing chevron was used to denote male while the down-pointing chevron was used to denote female |
| 20:02.38 | DrodoEmpire | And like I said Epirus was semi-barbarous in the opinions of many contemporary greeks |
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| 20:02.59 | Dillonator407_ | my irc page got frozen somehow |
| 20:03.04 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah it happens |
| 20:03.18 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Sorry, was busy |
| 20:03.21 | Dillonator407_ | anyway, i just have to ask: any advice on making characters? |
| 20:03.42 | Ghelaway | Having been in an army, he might be familiar enough with other parts of Greece to cope with, say, a Macedon habitat, but it wouldn't really be home. |
| 20:03.49 | ImpyDroid | What did you want to say? |
| 20:04.00 | NeonPanda | start with what strikes you as important to that character, then figure out why those things are teh way they are |
| 20:04.05 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: I assume more likely there'd be a single area that lumps centuries and most of ancient Greece into a single setting |
| 20:04.09 | DrodoEmpire | Ghelaway: Indeed |
| 20:04.14 | Dillonator407_ | thanks |
| 20:04.36 | DrodoEmpire | Tek0516: There'd be a few habitats, but yes they'd all abstract things to some extent |
| 20:04.48 | DrodoEmpire | For practical, tourist, or ethical reasons |
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| 20:05.08 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 20:05.12 | dinolion92 | hi |
| 20:05.18 | Wormy_ | Drodo: I just had an idea |
| 20:05.19 | Dillonator407_ | hi |
| 20:05.24 | Ghelaway | Thinking about it, though, you could probably fit a full-sized Greece onto some of the habitats. |
| 20:05.37 | Tek0516 | Quite probably |
| 20:05.39 | DrodoEmpire | Could do |
| 20:05.43 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: Yes? |
| 20:05.56 | DrodoEmpire | (tbh guys we should dump all of these ideas on a titanpad) |
| 20:05.58 | Tek0516 | Full sized replica of ancient Greece. |
| 20:06.14 | Wormy_ | The Coop hab comes under attack by some pirates (how the Cooperative defenses and reinfiorcements are compromised, dunno)... Timonax rallies an army to defeat them |
| 20:06.22 | ImpyDroid | NeonPanda: Eh, where did you read that? I remember reading something that but it was, well |
| 20:06.26 | ImpyDroid | In a Dan Brown novel |
| 20:06.28 | Tek0516 | Possible with enough terraforming |
| 20:06.29 | DrodoEmpire | http://piratepad.net/GKDFVm6nHr - Ghel Wormy Tek I'd appreciate it if you guys maybe put notes down for the habitat here |
| 20:06.33 | ImpyDroid | *Dan Brown* |
| 20:06.37 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: Aww man that's a cool idea |
| 20:06.40 | dinolion92 | I actually studied ancient greece a little while ago. Interesting you are talking about that. |
| 20:06.48 | DrodoEmpire | Feel free to come on the pad |
| 20:07.01 | NeonPanda | wasn't dan brown I can tell you that, off the top of my head it was a piece on pre-abrahamic religions and symbolism |
| 20:07.02 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Timonax - we're talking about this guy |
| 20:07.24 | dinolion92 | What exactly is the idea? I heard terraforming, a replica of ancient greece, and cooperative. |
| 20:07.56 | DrodoEmpire | Its a plot setting for the fiction I'm doing to introduce the above character |
| 20:08.06 | dinolion92 | Interesting. |
| 20:08.30 | NeonPanda | a quick wikipedia reminds me that it existed in ancient greece, so yeah it predates chivalric heraldry by millennia |
| 20:08.50 | DrodoEmpire | Timonax - ayy |
| 20:08.57 | ImpyDroid | Yeah but the Ð on Spartan shields was not a dick |
| 20:09.00 | ImpyDroid | It was an L |
| 20:09.06 | ImpyDroid | L-acedaemonia |
| 20:09.44 | dinolion92 | If you want, I could help supply some of the information about ancient greece. |
| 20:09.45 | Tek0516 | I should really do some more fiction soon, still need to write most of the Roreinia Civil War |
| 20:09.59 | ImpyDroid | Even if these chevrons were used as pagan fertility symbols, I am not sure if modern chevrons are descended from these |
| 20:10.13 | ImpyDroid | Especially since many modern chevrons are downwards |
| 20:10.32 | DrodoEmpire | dinolion92: I'd appreciate it |
| 20:10.32 | Dillonator407_ | i should work on my fiction sometime actually |
| 20:10.36 | DrodoEmpire | Come to the pad to contribute |
| 20:10.54 | Wormy_ | test |
| 20:10.57 | dinolion92 | Okay, send me the link |
| 20:11.01 | ImpyDroid | The heraldic chevrons look like the more likely direct ancestor |
| 20:11.15 | Wormy_ | Piratepad's keelhauled |
| 20:11.15 | dinolion92 | What is the story with Titanpad, is it closing down soon? |
| 20:11.24 | DrodoEmpire | http://piratepad.net/GKDFVm6nHr |
| 20:11.28 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 20:11.40 | DrodoEmpire | Piratepad is the underground splinter faction <.< |
| 20:11.52 | DrodoEmpire | Run by a Finnish guy or something |
| 20:12.04 | OluapPlayer | benis |
| 20:12.18 | Ghelaway | It's nice to see Piratepad has the same connectivity issues as Titanpad. Makes it feel more like home. |
| 20:12.37 | OluapPlayer | kek |
| 20:12.58 | ImpyDroid | I still think you should use Evernote |
| 20:13.56 | dinolion92 | I actually still need to develop my fiction. Got way to invested in the Cold War and now the Second Great Cyrannus War. My fiction is way out of date. |
| 20:14.19 | dinolion92 | Still, I love the fiction universe, it is really cool. |
| 20:14.31 | Dillonator407_ | what is your fiction like? |
| 20:14.39 | dino82_ | @Dino: It can easily catch up! |
| 20:14.45 | dino82_ | And another dino on the wiki :D |
| 20:14.46 | DrodoEmpire | ImpyDroid: Enough of your communist Russian inventions |
| 20:14.51 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 20:15.25 | Dillonator407_ | dino invasion aaaaaah |
| 20:15.25 | dinolion92 | It is mostly an original idea but inspired by Star Wars. |
| 20:15.31 | Dillonator407_ | i see |
| 20:15.33 | Dillonator407_ | gtg |
| 20:15.59 | dino82_ | human admiral: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Jan_Michiel_TasmanLarge.png |
| 20:16.09 | NeonPanda | ImpyDroid: further research indicates that at least the Celts most definitely use(d) the upturned chevron as a 'male' symbol, and the ancient Greeks associated it to an extent with Zeus (beyond the use of lambda in their alphabet) |
| 20:16.19 | dinolion92 | I always had a bit of trouble with the Rich Text Editor, but that doesn't stop me from wanting to develop my fiction. |
| 20:16.50 | NeonPanda | it was used on warriors' shields as tribute to Ares |
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| 20:17.11 | Hachiman | Fucking internet |
| 20:18.42 | ImpyDroid | Right |
| 20:19.18 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: But the communist program actually works |
| 20:19.22 | dinolion92 | The internet, intentionally not working since 1995 |
| 20:22.16 | NeonPanda | so yeah, at least once in history the military has deliberately employed a dick as part of its symbolism, and I will never stop laughing at that fact |
| 20:22.30 | Xho | Wow a lot has been said since I last checked in |
| 20:23.29 | dino82_ | lol |
| 20:25.20 | Xho | Hachiman: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15940724_1833942683532749_1696095180302898489_n.jpg?oh=cffe37eaaa04558f84cb56deb83a14d3&oe=591E785C |
| 20:25.49 | NeonPanda | we've come a long way really, we've gone from stylised penises on our shields, to pinup models on the sides of our fighting aircraft |
| 20:25.51 | NeonPanda | we've done well |
| 20:26.27 | NeonPanda | Xho: not for a Jedi, at least |
| 20:27.21 | NeonPanda | this reminds me, I'm very happy that I've been able to get a 60s sci-fi pinup girl nose art in Titanfall 2 |
| 20:27.34 | NeonPanda | somehow feels... right |
| 20:27.52 | Xho | It's like Team Fortress 2 but with mechs and less hats |
| 20:29.34 | dino82_ | @Panda: 60s sci-fi pinup girl nose art? |
| 20:31.26 | NeonPanda | https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ERCg8LEEPhw/maxresdefault.jpg the one on the left |
| 20:32.09 | dino82_ | Naice! |
| 20:32.39 | NeonPanda | so every time my giant robot rocks up, at least people get to see a pinup girl before a few dozen high velocity rounds perforate them |
| 20:32.48 | Xho | The Hannya one is cool as well |
| 20:33.23 | NeonPanda | assuming you mean the one on the right, sadly I do not use weeb-titan so I will never have that one |
| 20:35.21 | Xho | oh deer |
| 20:36.19 | NeonPanda | I still for the life of me don't know why they had to make a titan with a sword |
| 20:37.12 | Xho | rule of weeb |
| 20:37.45 | NeonPanda | I mean, there aren't really even any "good" Ronin pilots, just people who understand that only half of its mechanics are actually needed to be half effective |
| 20:38.03 | NeonPanda | namely, run forward and melee attack and disregard all else |
| 20:38.41 | NeonPanda | occasionally block if the neighbourhood Legion gets a clear line of sight on you |
| 20:39.23 | Xho | Unfortunately I don't know Titanfall 2 |
| 20:39.27 | Xho | Or Titanfall 1 enough actually |
| 20:39.32 | Xho | I can play it but that's about it |
| 20:39.37 | NeonPanda | now Scorch on the other hand is a hilarious close range titan- it's actually reasonably effective to just run forward and turn on your thermal shield (read: stops projectiles by burning everything in front of you) and melt faces |
| 20:39.54 | NeonPanda | on one map I've made it an art-form |
| 20:40.16 | NeonPanda | you basically just run forward and say "LOOK AT MY HAND" |
| 20:41.15 | Xho | dat game method tho |
| 20:41.23 | Xho | OluapPlayer: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15966309_2797813003607266_6356389914800727357_n.jpg?oh=1055ce8e07562078023de97bef58cc8d&oe=591C4D51 am sphinx meow |
| 20:41.36 | OluapPlayer | happy cat |
| 20:42.37 | NeonPanda | Xho: to put things in TF2 terms, I basically play the Heavy but with the ability to swap between close range and long range minigun on the fly |
| 20:42.38 | ImpyDroid | Xho: https://vk.com/photo-85014437_456239113 |
| 20:42.55 | ImpyDroid | Xho Monet: https://vk.com/photo-85014437_456239131 |
| 20:43.06 | Xho | ImpyDroid: kek |
| 20:43.27 | Xho | NeonPanda: Sounds annoying to be in the way of |
| 20:43.36 | NeonPanda | basically, yeah |
| 20:43.40 | NeonPanda | my job is to make people suffer, and I do it very well |
| 20:44.24 | NeonPanda | I'm pretty shit at pilot to pilot combat, but Legion to everything combat I'm somewhat scary, assuming it's not a pilot with a thunderbolt/MGL |
| 20:44.51 | NeonPanda | the thunderbolt being a launcher that shoots a ball of lightning that damages anything near, so you don't really need to aim, and the MGL being basically a homing grenade launcher |
| 20:46.05 | NeonPanda | naturally, when I get around to putting that titanfall-inspired fic together, the australian squad leader is basically going to pilot Legion |
| 20:46.23 | Xho | The first Titanfall was one of the few games I could say that I was good at when it came to multiplayer |
| 20:46.26 | Xho | Halo as well |
| 20:46.42 | NeonPanda | halo I was good at for one very specific reason: map knowledge |
| 20:46.46 | Xho | Technobliterator: I'd still destroy you in Halo kek |
| 20:46.51 | NeonPanda | I was basically the "where the fuck did that guy come from" guy |
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| 20:50.45 | NeonPanda | hi u |
| 20:50.51 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 20:50.57 | NeonPanda | still don't know what to do for the fourth pilot, which bugs me |
| 20:51.03 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman Monet NeonPanda The_Randomness: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/15873481_1323063024423861_7236886289419642284_n.jpg?oh=37ca427dcecfc5f80a7d04b7e8b32b33&oe=591AFA64 true or false |
| 20:51.27 | NeonPanda | false for exactly one reason |
| 20:51.28 | Ghelaway | Hello. |
| 20:51.31 | NeonPanda | the druid doesn't need the barbarian |
| 20:51.35 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 20:51.59 | Monet | Have to agree |
| 20:52.03 | NeonPanda | although the aforementioned manoeuvre would probably work pretty well |
| 20:52.05 | NeonPanda | I'd allow it at least |
| 20:52.39 | NeonPanda | I am also the guy who allowed a goblin to be pile-driver'ed by a rotting moose corpse, so I might not be the best standard |
| 20:54.28 | The_Randomness | crit potato |
| 20:54.30 | The_Randomness | never forget |
| 20:54.50 | NeonPanda | crit potato is one thing, critical moose is another entirely |
| 20:55.13 | NeonPanda | ranks second in terms of nonsense, second only to Monet here with his kobold tossing habits |
| 20:57.24 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 20:57.41 | OluapPlayer | crit potato |
| 20:57.43 | OluapPlayer | Elaborate |
| 20:58.28 | NeonPanda | tl;dr: blind guy threw a potato randomly, scored a crit and killed someone |
| 20:58.37 | OluapPlayer | Oh god |
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| 20:59.02 | Monet | Killer tater |
| 20:59.10 | Dillonator407 | Hello |
| 20:59.32 | NeonPanda | I still prefer Monet killing kobolds by throwing other kobolds at them |
| 21:00.04 | OluapPlayer | true dwarven combat involves lots of things exploding into gore and severed parts sailing off in arcs |
| 21:00.27 | Monet | Exactly |
| 21:01.22 | NeonPanda | I personally haven't exactly done too much nonsense stuff, I somewhat lack the capacity to come up with such |
| 21:01.24 | Monet | Things exploding into gore is always fun |
| 21:02.16 | NeonPanda | I'd say my best moment in this gaming group is definitely a toss up between sneak attacking a giant, and going Seras Victoria on that creepy wizard that one time |
| 21:03.10 | OluapPlayer | Ah, you one-hit killing a cyclops |
| 21:03.10 | Hachiman | You mean the wizard who killed attractive women and stitched their bodies together? |
| 21:03.14 | OluapPlayer | ah yes* |
| 21:03.27 | OluapPlayer | He was a very heavy sleeper |
| 21:04.08 | NeonPanda | yes to both of you |
| 21:04.30 | NeonPanda | the latter case being when I picked the guy up and ground his face against a wall |
| 21:05.14 | OluapPlayer | The cyclops was actually just a very big balloon, when you stabbed him he started flying across the air as he deflated |
| 21:05.46 | OluapPlayer | Now I remember earlier on that game, you also wrestled with a crocodile |
| 21:05.47 | Hachiman | Also |
| 21:05.56 | Hachiman | At some point, I wanna do a Barbarian / Druid multiclass |
| 21:06.31 | NeonPanda | Hachiman: those two sets wouldn't interact that well though |
| 21:06.42 | NeonPanda | since you can't do brain stuff while raging, and can't rage during wild shape |
| 21:06.52 | Hachiman | shiet |
| 21:07.04 | NeonPanda | well, you won't get any benefit from raging during wild shape |
| 21:07.51 | Hachiman | Wait, Rage Casting is a thing |
| 21:08.46 | Hachiman | Oh wait that's a feat for Bloodrager |
| 21:08.46 | NeonPanda | actually, I take it back- you would still get the stat benefits if you entered rage during wild shape, due to it being a Morale bonus |
| 21:09.34 | Hachiman | I like the idea of the Bloodrager but I just wish they had chosen WIS instead of CHA for their spellcasting stat |
| 21:09.43 | Hachiman | Because why would a barbarian ever need CHA |
| 21:10.09 | NeonPanda | well isn't Bloodrager a mix of barbarian and sorcerer? |
| 21:10.19 | Hachiman | Yeah they are - that's why 'blood' is in there |
| 21:10.28 | NeonPanda | well there's your answer |
| 21:10.42 | Tek0516 | So the next Stellaris update has an interesting feature in it: "Ascension perks" which among others lets you heavily enhance your pops through psionics, heavy gene modding, or uploading into machines. |
| 21:11.07 | NeonPanda | neat |
| 21:11.19 | NeonPanda | 'uploading into machines.' ROBOT RACE INCOMING |
| 21:11.21 | NeonPanda | without mods that is |
| 21:11.57 | Hachiman | Also, Slayer is a fucking awesome class |
| 21:13.19 | Hachiman | It's perhaps the most versatile class you can build with because you can essentially do anything with it that isn't spellcasting; Studied Target is awesome and you get Sneak Attack; get to choose between THREE sets of talents |
| 21:13.29 | Hachiman | You're also a skill monkey |
| 21:14.03 | NeonPanda | sounds slightly stacked to me but on good faith I'll assume it all checks out |
| 21:14.11 | Hachiman | Yeah it checks out |
| 21:16.06 | dino82_ | have to go |
| 21:16.06 | dino82_ | bye bye |
| 21:16.37 | Hachiman | It has the build versatility and proficiencies of a Fighter, the Sneak Attack of a Rogue, gets its own small set of Talents as well as being able to spend one of those Talents for a Rogue or Ranger talent, gets free attack, damage, and skill bonuses with Studied Target at the cost of a move action with an increasing bonus as they level |
| 21:17.12 | Hachiman | It also has the tracking and surviving capacity of a Ranger |
| 21:17.36 | Hachiman | If you want to play a bounty hunter-type of character, Slayer is an awesome choice for it |
| 21:20.00 | NeonPanda | ok having looked at it, you oversold it a bit which is what threw me off |
| 21:20.37 | Hachiman | I have a tendency to do that |
| 21:25.00 | NeonPanda | so yeah, doesn't look too ridiculous |
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| 22:06.12 | Monet | hi |
| 22:06.51 | Xho | Hi |
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| 22:17.37 | Monet | Hi |
| 22:26.16 | DrodoEmpire | ayy I'm back |
| 22:27.04 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_ want to discuss more stuff on the pad? |
| 22:28.11 | Wormy_ | Sorry, got written programming exam tomorrow. Gotta revise |
| 22:28.21 | DrodoEmpire | kk |
| 22:28.58 | DrodoEmpire | I'll write myself then, maybe try and get the first chapter done |
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