IRC log for #sporewiki on 20161228

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00:18.25The_RandomnessHey
00:18.38NeonPandahi all
00:24.58Monet2Hello
00:27.09The_RandomnessNeonPanda: want me to send you those mats?
00:27.30NeonPandathat would be nice, thank you
00:32.17The_Randomnesssent
00:33.06The_RandomnessI believe the rest of it you'll need to buy/craft
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00:51.46dromTek0516: http://i.imgur.com/OhKk8HO.png
00:51.50dromI am going to do it!
01:22.53dromTek0516. I've a question for you
01:23.32Tek0516Drom: yes?
01:23.54dromWhat would be the ideal way to create "hash"-es of words, that will function as seeds for the RNG part of the program when creating new words
01:24.54dromRight now. I'm taking the sum of each individual character the word contains. It should function as a seed.
01:25.40NeonPandaThe_Randomness: so today I discovered there's a Final Fantasy TRPG, complete with rules for magitech armour that go up to Colossal in size
01:25.52The_Randomnessoh my
01:26.12The_RandomnessHow big is colossal?
01:26.13dromBut my issue is that it has to select a word, or multiple words, from a list of words and create an amalgamation of them using substrings.
01:27.18dromWhile respecting settings for minimal and maximum lengths of the product word
01:27.37NeonPanda25ftx25ft space in game terms
01:29.15Tek0516I've never worked with hashes so I'm not sure
01:29.22NeonPandafor comparison purposes, a full-size megalodon is the size category *below* Colossal
01:29.33dromTek0516: Now I think of that. Perhaps a modulo operation of the character sum against the total count of words to create new words from?
01:30.03dromTo, uh. Pick the first word?
01:37.01dromMmmm. I think know how now
01:37.28dromUsing the length of the target word to be "translated" and the first word that gets picked
01:37.29dromGenius
01:58.20Wormy_https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cyj2zAcUoAEml-m.jpg
02:03.52Tek0516Wormy_: Hell, most "natural" foods (plants and animals) are the result of millennia of selective breeding to produce food that's actually half decent.
02:04.11Wormy_yep
02:06.14dromhttp://i.imgur.com/ZWwxkKK.png Wormy_ Tek0516 The_Randomness
02:06.31dromHere is your daily dose of brain anerusym caused by weird code.
02:06.39Wormy_Arguably all of culture and the technosphere is natural.  It is evolved with us, perhaps shaping our early mind in context as we shaped it.  They form extensions of ourselves, and evolve far more rapidly than the biosphere.  Anyone whoi can't see the beauty and novelty of this process is seriously close minded,
02:07.34Wormy_It is part of us the way nests are part of an animal's extended phenotype.
02:08.13Wormy_Nature is harsh, beautiful sometimes, but cruel and we survived by shaping it and will only survive by shaping it further.
02:12.21Wormy_drom:  looks like headfuck
02:12.24drom"Attempted divide by 0"
02:12.27dromoops
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03:00.38dromTek0516 The_Randomness: http://i.imgur.com/OBs8bkD.png
03:01.07dromI still need to improve the algothrim so it does not repeat itself.
03:53.43dromTek0516 The_Randomness: And progress! http://i.imgur.com/RuUtOsa.png
03:53.57The_Randomnesslooking better
03:58.15dromTime to paste the entire file into Sporewiki!
03:58.19drom*evil laugther*
04:01.04drom> (+1,845,580)
04:01.16dromNo one better think I'm a spam bot
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04:17.50dromAn all-nighter of programming
04:17.52dromWell spent
04:18.10dromhttps://github.com/martinlyra/Cabel
04:18.24dromDon't mind the spelling errors, I did this at late night
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04:48.16DrodoEmpirehttps://i.gyazo.com/4a206cee9873e27f49176db68304b308.png Jesus fucking christ the edit size
04:57.30The_Randomnesslol
04:58.16The_Randomnessdrom: "No one better think I'm a spam bot"
04:58.32DrodoEmpirehur
05:00.36DrodoEmpireHuh, so Proximity is releasing remakes of the Porter Robinson/Madeon remixes that were heard live in their Shelter tour
05:00.53DrodoEmpireWhich is cool, as the remixes themselves are pretty good, but the sound quality is horrendous >.<
05:01.23DrodoEmpireHow do you fuck up the sound quality of a remake? <.<
05:02.35The_Randomnessdunno, bad compression or something?
05:02.46DrodoEmpireI think it'd be that
05:03.01DrodoEmpireAll the sound balance is out of whack
05:03.11The_RandomnessI remember the sound of some of the voices of characters in FFXII were messed up a little by the way the sound was compressed
05:03.20The_Randomnessor something like that
05:03.29The_Randomnessdon't cite me on that though
05:03.30The_Randomness:p
05:03.59DrodoEmpireFunny you mention that, as my older brother's using an emulator to run FFXII on his computer, and the sound gets stretched and stuff when the fps drops
05:04.17The_Randomnesshuh
05:04.19The_Randomnessthat's weird
05:04.22DrodoEmpireIndeed
05:04.28The_Randomnessmust have to do with the way the sound engine works
05:04.32DrodoEmpireThe emulator itself's alright but that'd be one of its quirks
05:04.37DrodoEmpireYeah probably
05:05.05DrodoEmpireBeing a PS2 release it was probably assumed that it'd run at 30 or 60 fps constantly
05:05.11The_Randomnessyeah
05:05.34The_RandomnessI know some games act super weird if their fps goes super high
05:05.44DrodoEmpireReally?
05:05.51DrodoEmpireOlder games especially, I presume?
05:06.11DrodoEmpireBecause a lot of newer games run pretty well if you're crazy and have a computer that can run it at 500 fps
05:06.19DrodoEmpire(Such as CSGO youtubers >.>)
05:06.27DrodoEmpire(Because they're fucking showoffs)
05:10.04The_Randomnesslol
05:10.23The_RandomnessI think one of the more recent fallout games acts kind of weird if your framerate is super high
05:12.25DrodoEmpireHuh
05:12.39The_Randomnessbut since the framerate is capped normally you don't get to see it
05:12.45DrodoEmpireYeah
05:14.32DrodoEmpireI think I'll devote some time to writing that new story thing and making edits to existing stuff
05:15.03DrodoEmpireSorta want to get the first big Drodo-Silvan engagement out of the way
05:18.07DrodoEmpire"We are Number One, but its an electro swing remix"
05:18.10DrodoEmpireayyyyyy lmao
05:19.09The_Randomnessthat sounds like it could be lit, if it's not a shitpost
05:20.35DrodoEmpire^
05:30.41The_Randomnessmfw it appears in the list of suggested videos for me
05:30.43The_Randomnessnot bad
05:30.59DrodoEmpireYeah
05:33.38DrodoEmpireHm
05:35.00DrodoEmpireThe only issue is that, when you really take a good goddamn look at military history, almost every tactic there ever was is just a slight variant on a theme >.<
05:35.01DrodoEmpireTrying to think a little about really original ancient weapon combinations/tactics that'd still be practical
05:35.11DrodoEmpireAnd that's because there're only so many practical tactics
05:35.30The_Randomnesswrong channel?
05:36.47DrodoEmpireI find that writing or talking, even if nobody's really listening, helps organise my thoughts
05:36.47DrodoEmpireNah, just musing
05:37.11The_Randomnessah
05:37.32DrodoEmpireAnyway
05:38.36DrodoEmpireYou'll find that almost every successful ancient to medieval infantry army has basically used a variation of "stand really close together, hold something long and pointy/a big shield/both out in front, and brace for impact"
05:39.08DrodoEmpireAnd that's because if you drill a couple hundred guys to do that so well they could do it in their sleep, its practically unstoppable
05:39.18The_Randomnessright
05:40.26DrodoEmpireCultures that *did* do really exotic shit generally got their asses handed to them once another culture which could wield one of several boring-but-practical tactics *like* the old shield wall competently came along
05:41.44DrodoEmpireBut everything has its strengths and weaknesses- there's no perfect tactic, only ones that're objectively better
05:43.41DrodoEmpireAnyway, this is all for a Silvan fic I have planned- basically this ruler conquers his isolated part of New Aratacia only to then come into contact with Drodo settlers once he decides to take over the entire world
05:44.16DrodoEmpireTo conquer his mountainous region of land, he'd need a tactic or order of battle well-suited
05:44.29DrodoEmpireFirst thing that comes to mind is a Phalanx/shield wall but that's pretty vanilla
05:45.07DrodoEmpireMaybe he innovates some sort of "counter-phalanx" to deconstruct his enemies' phalanxes?
05:45.56DrodoEmpireI mean, the old Macedonian phalanx was basically beaten by a counter-phalanx in the form of the Roman cohort system
05:46.34DrodoEmpireJust a very maneuverable but still also highly-defensive formation that could run circles around the rigid Macedonian/Greek style formations
05:46.53DrodoEmpireRoman cohorts were also better suited to rough terrain
05:47.04DrodoEmpireHmm coming together now
05:48.33DrodoEmpireMaybe in the region this Silvan king hails from, a rigid shield wall, similar somewhat to a phalanx, was innovated?
05:48.52DrodoEmpireI'm thinking maybe ranks of men, carrying big, heavy shields and- ooh
05:49.02DrodoEmpireIde
05:49.04DrodoEmpire*idea
05:50.12DrodoEmpirePerhaps this subcontinent, which is extremely mountainous, basically has its civilisation in a series of river-valleys between the mountains, valleys which are connected only by narrow creeks and passes
05:50.47DrodoEmpire*very* narrow ones, at that
05:51.15DrodoEmpireThis would encourage the innovation of a *very* rigid shield wall indeed, and a very heavy one that ideally would block the entire pass end-to-end
05:53.55DrodoEmpireWhat I'm thinking is maybe the front row was usually composed of men, maybe of the lowest classes, basically carrying huge shields on wheels, more like mantlets(?) than anything else, followed closely by warriors bearing extremely long pikes that poke out in narrow gaps between the mantlets
05:54.52DrodoEmpireIn and among these pikemen would be soldiers carrying shorter spears and swords in case of a breach, as well as tons of skirmishers which would throw javelins, arrows, sling bullets, etc. ahead of the actual fighting and when the two lines connect
05:55.33DrodoEmpireBasically, an entire army would be hiding behind a huge, mobile wall that they wheel forward and plug a pass with
05:56.42DrodoEmpireAnd the "battles" would probably more resemble low-intensity slogging matches lasting hours and hours, ending only when either one army gives up and leaves, or a night raid happens to rout one army or anothe
05:57.10DrodoEmpireI can see such a fight, given big enough armies and a narrow, isolated enough pass, lasting days or weeks
05:57.41DrodoEmpireSo this'd be the traditional way of doing things. Thoughts?
05:57.51The_RandomnessSounds reasonable to me
05:58.00DrodoEmpireEh, yeah, I hope >.<
05:58.23DrodoEmpireI mean it's a little out of left field, but there *is* historical evidence of shields so big they're wheeled about by somebody else
05:59.12DrodoEmpireAnd this would be a very extreme example of a tactic being borne from its environment-- river valley city-states, separated by mountains and connected only by a handful of extremely narrow passes
05:59.42DrodoEmpireGiven this, the countertactic seems... difficult to determine
06:00.29DrodoEmpireI mean an army composed of spearmen and archers charging at this would probably lose, because of how ridiculously optimised this battle tactic is to its environment
06:01.04DrodoEmpireSo it might have to use terrain to its advantage somehow, maybe even striking *from* the mountains
06:01.53DrodoEmpirei.e having a small 'traditional' spear force hold the enemy army, but then strike from the flanks with lightly-armed troops charging down the mountain slopes
06:02.02DrodoEmpireBut if it were that easy everybody would already do it
06:23.54DrodoEmpireHm
06:31.04Tek0516>.< I was wondering how an alien swarm managed to overrun one of my stations and enter one of most critical areas. Then I saw the huge hole in my wall that was never built. >.>
06:32.04DrodoEmpirehur
06:32.11DrodoEmpireWhat're you playing?
06:32.26Tek0516Factorio
06:32.32DrodoEmpireAhh
06:35.50Tek0516My latest goal was a long process of expanding my factory and trains so I could get more so I could get more stone, which I could use with the iron I began transporting by rail to build more concrete, which I build a swarm of drones and roboports to spread everywhere, all so I could get a 40% boost to walking speed everywhere in my base. :P
06:40.05Tek0516I spent way too much time optimizing a couple of my lines because the conveyor belts weren't fast enough. :P
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08:02.20TreebeardHello
08:11.51The_RandomnessHey
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10:26.45NeonPandahi all
10:31.23Liquid_InkHey
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11:22.35Wormy_hi
11:23.12GhelaeHi
11:40.49Wormy_MinutePhysics has a new video on the No Cloning Theorem, and andles the difference between cloning and teleportation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owPC60Ue0BE
11:41.26Wormy_handles
11:55.58GhelaeThe mention of copying both position and momentum 50 seconds in should be a clue that the cloning isn't possible.
12:00.22Wormy_it is supposed to be Minutephysics as well
12:04.18GhelaeHey, the uncertainty principle gets named 8:38 in.
12:07.37Wormy_Also, I think he should have emphasised that you probably don't need such a fine-grained (and impossible) simulation of brain states to the quantum level in order to copy those memories.  He did say "if consciousness is not based on quantum processes".
12:10.00Wormy_Well, classical or quantum it'd be impossible, since every time we remember something its a slightly different state, and quantum mechanically if that's how memories worked we would remember nothing.  Arguably you only need approximate simulations of memories and thoughts
12:10.49Wormy_very few physicists think the mind operates of quantum processes anyway
12:10.52Wormy_*on
12:12.26GhelaeSure; it's not neccessarily the case that you need identical quantum states (down to the level of every particle's position and momentum) to get identical memories.
12:13.23Wormy_And even then, no two memories of the same event are identical
12:14.32Ghelae...What makes you say that?
12:16.15Wormy_I think over time, or memories degrade as our ability to retentive them weakens, we also tend to embellish our memories with people, objects and events that never occurred.  None-the-less, the essential character of the memory can remain
12:16.39Wormy_*as our ability to retrieve them.
12:16.53GhelaeThat's a matter of the physical state of the brain changing over time.
12:17.42Wormy_Which is why I think it'd be easier to clone personhood than it is often stated.  We change over time, we exist always surrounded by many other possible states.
12:18.29Wormy_And we don't even notice ourselves, our memories and thoughts, change with us
12:18.38Wormy_or rarely do so
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12:21.02GhelaeYes; perfect cloning is unnecessary.
12:22.18Wormy_Maybe future people will have better memory storage.
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12:27.51Wormy_hi
12:29.14GhelaeHi
12:30.14Liquid_InkHey
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13:15.50ImpyDroidNeonPanda OluapPlayer: Just curious. What is your opinion on the new DoW3 artstyle?
13:16.08NeonPandanothing wrong with it
13:16.10ImpyDroidI've heard lots of complaints about it being too "cartoony"
13:16.10OluapPlayerI don't mind it
13:16.36ImpyDroidSame here, Warhammer is meant to be silly
13:16.47ImpyDroidI am not sure about one thing though
13:16.54ImpyDroidFucking JUMPING TERMINATOR
13:17.03NeonPandano, that's legit
13:17.19NeonPandalike, that's a thing that happens
13:17.52ImpyDroidIt does,
13:17.53ImpyDroid?
13:18.16ImpyDroidI do not remember Terms being able to equip jump packs in the tabletop at least
13:18.30ImpyDroidI think even the personal teleporters were invented for DoW
13:19.19NeonPandajump packs are one thing, like there's a level of exaggeration in some of what's seen, but terminators are more than capable of jumping
13:19.48NeonPandaand terminators with jump packs are a thing in 30k, just not 40k
13:20.35ImpyDroidHoly fucking shit
13:21.15ImpyDroidNow I imagine the Horus Heresy as a big jumping contest
13:22.42NeonPandaOluapPlayer: it occurs to me that if I'd put my second highest stat in strength, Syren would have 20 strength at level 10
13:23.07OluapPlayerSo that's how you write her name then
13:23.28OluapPlayerAnd that's a strong skinny
13:23.53ImpyDroidSyren
13:24.05ImpyDroidWhy do I think of Undertale when I hear that name
13:24.37OluapPlayerThere's a character in Undertale called Shyrun
13:24.39OluapPlayerShyren even
13:26.17NeonPandawhich actually makes me kinda sad I didn't because that would be an asset come turn-into-a-sea-serpent time
13:27.53ImpyDroidNo I think of that other fish person
13:27.58ImpyDroidFish woman with an Y in her name
13:28.08OluapPlayerUndyne
13:28.37OluapPlayerThat's a big stretch
13:30.51ImpyDroidUndine, siren, both mythological creatures related to the sea
13:30.59Wormy_This has got tobe a joke http://i.imgur.com/B5KpDiS.jpg
13:31.25Wormy_that is a stupid kind of stupid
13:31.37ImpyDroidWormy_: NOT MY GUNS *redneck rage*
13:31.50ImpyDroidIt is the early 2000s all over againn
13:31.53ImpyDroidRemember GTA?
13:32.22Wormy_>Cleanse Overwatch of guns > Finally have a first-person shooter for all the family
13:32.38ImpyDroidWormy_: Game turns into epic punching contesy
13:32.40ImpyDroid*contest
13:32.47Wormy_I used to play GTA and Manhunt with my Dad as a kid hur
13:33.00ImpyDroidHell what if Blizzard will actually make a melee-only mode for Overwatch
13:33.07ImpyDroidAnd call it "family-friendly"
13:33.19Wormy_lol
13:33.32ImpyDroidWormy_: My parents actually strictly forbid me to play MMOs for some reason when I was a kid
13:33.43ImpyDroidThis kind of spurred my interest so I started playing them later
13:33.59ImpyDroid*forbade
13:34.31Wormy_I was bought Manhunt as a sort of "fuck you" to polite society at the time, they were punks back in the day though
13:34.40OluapPlayerThe biggest joke here is people assuming petitions ever work for anything
13:34.42Wormy_Didn't really like it though
13:35.30ImpyDroidWormy_: Oh God then there's the language of this complaint
13:35.42ImpyDroid"she-character known as the Tracer"
13:35.51Wormy_lol
13:36.18Wormy_"brutality"
13:41.24ImpyDroidIt is a bit sad to see what the left has become
13:41.47ImpyDroidIt is no longer really concerned with the people, just first-world problems
13:45.54Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/37EFu4Z.jpg
13:47.44Wormy_Someone said to me that if you are a normal liberal person you are now right wing
13:47.57Wormy_said by a right wing person
13:48.28Wormy_When the right wing are more open than the left, you can see the problem
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15:53.15HachimanHi
15:53.17HachimanXho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svskmSd8XrI&feature=youtu.be
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16:05.43dromHi
16:06.23dromYou see. Xho. I've managed to pull off an all-nighter to make a tool that generates a new language from other languages against a list of words.
16:07.00XhoIt doesn't seem to follow any logical structure tho
16:07.54dromOf course, you foolish mortal
16:09.17dromWhere is our linguist when I need him to review this language? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dromlexer/Language/CK
16:15.34dromTime to make up a faction name
16:16.34dromHoly United Clans
16:17.20dromZhokho Chayy Bech - is the direct translation
16:18.30dromTime to figure
16:18.54dromAn alien grammar or syntax
16:19.14dromChayy Bech Zhokho
16:20.36dromBut eh. I could just use the translation of "Home" as their homeworld's name
16:20.40dromThat'd be "Zeba"
16:33.33MonetWriting a story atm and I wonder. I think one drawback to the turbolaser and the blaster is that it's like figthign exclsuively with tracers.
16:34.04MonetTracers look cool but they're a big "LOOK WHERE I AM SHOOTING FROM"
16:35.42MonetSo there's a lot of tactical advantage to developing a DEW that when in volley fire doesn't look like a massive light show.
16:50.56dromAnd extensive useage of waste gas or liquid substances to expose them?
16:51.18dromWhile it is impractical in vaccum and micro-gravity, like space. It is a thought.
16:53.23MonetI'm more talking Star Wars/Trek style lasers
16:53.55MonetWhich seem to act like tracers regardless of wheter thre is any air ot diffract the light.
16:54.07dromI guess.
16:55.07dromGhel can always be of help to get facts ironed straight using proper science and facts.
16:55.42dromUnrelated. Shekrabli or Zeba?
16:55.49dromAs homeworld name
16:56.10MonetZeba perhaps?
16:56.19dromThe former means "God's Ark" and the latter means, painstakingly simple enough, "home".
16:57.53MonetWell humans aren't exactly any more imaginative for calling their homeworld "land"
16:58.13dromOr earth
16:58.43dromMost of the planets in our system are named after Roman gods and natural elements
16:58.55dromOr was it Greek gods?
16:59.21MonetI imagine back in Ancient Greece they called thep lanet Mars "Ares"
16:59.28Monetplanet*
16:59.42MonetBasically they're in the sky = gods
16:59.52dromI can imagine that
17:00.16dromCue the Zebans' disappointment when they realize their "god" is actually a sun.
17:00.37dromAnd there are billions of them everywhere
17:02.17GhelaeYes, actual lasers would be invisible in space, but sci-fi blasters clearly don't resemble lasers in any way. In the SporeWikiverse, real lasers do exist, but they tend to see less use in combat.
17:04.48MonetMostly because if the bolt is invisible, you can't see it, which is boring.
17:05.26drommy idea with Zebans would be taking everything worst of Catholicism in the Dark Ages and turn up to 11 a la Warhammer.
17:06.05MonetAlthough using actual lasers to give an emotional connection to the horrors of war makes mroe sense since part of the shock factor of firearms was you couldn't see where shots were coming from, only the outcomes of those shots.
17:07.16dromWith an educated elite who knows that the religion is an illusion. But exploits this using technology to keep their people superstitious and afraid of their own god.
17:09.11MonetI'm not sure what to say. The church wasn't as bad as the stories make out - a number of them I understand to be academic smear campaigns.
17:09.24Moneta number of stories*
17:09.57dromFair enough
17:11.45MonetBut actually using technology to promote superstition is a thought.
17:17.47XhoDrom: Is this for your Oma-Tokk fiction
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17:18.33Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/DMSd3yD.jpg
17:18.34Wormy_hi
17:19.39Wormy_drom, Tek0516:  I might have a go at coding Langton's Ant in Python later
17:27.22XhoI misread that as "I might have a go at coding Monty Python's Ant later"
17:29.54Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langton's_ant
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17:39.03JepardiHi
17:41.12dino82hi
17:54.12Monethi
18:01.54Wormy_i must find this video http://i.imgur.com/QSpyc4F.jpg
18:03.33MonetSo wait...
18:03.50MonetEvery time they say "Ant", the marmaduke movie plays?
18:04.30MonetWait no that's not enough time
18:05.29HachimanNo; it's the Antz movie, but whenever they say "ant", it plays the Bee Movie, but whenever anyone in Bee Movie says "bee", it's replaced by the theme for The Nutshack, but whenever they say "Nutshack", it's replaced with the Marmaduke movie
18:05.47XhoWait what
18:06.52Xhohttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/c1/Santorakh_Sigil.png/revision/latest?cb=20161228180550 Anyway, did a sigil for Santorakh as well
18:07.23HachimanThe lack of runes is bothersome
18:07.26HachimanBut it looks nice nonetheless
18:08.28XhoSantorakh-esque runes are probably beyond what computers can do
18:08.50XhoAngazhar-esque runes are easy enough because Samut'angar are MAIM BURN KILL right down to the core
18:09.11Xhohttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/6e/KrathSigil_%282%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20161227201150 I did one for Krath but no one has noticed
18:09.36dromXho: Yes
18:09.59dromIf you have concerns or feedback to give. I am open for them
18:10.10XhoSomeone gimme feedback on the Krath sigil ffs
18:11.52HachimanI like how rigid and sharp Krath one looks compared to the more fluid shape of Santo's one#
18:12.00Xhoterrible effort i give up
18:12.09Xho0/10
18:12.14Xhogonna bleach my innards
18:12.15Hachiman*Krath's
18:18.09XhoI was thinking of putting a Chaos Daemon-style faction in Tuuros for Krath's followers
18:18.42dino82@wormy: Ever seen that ant movie?
18:18.58Wormy_Not seen either movie
18:19.20XhoI could imagine Krath's demons being made of metal and/or machine-like
18:21.13XhoShiny and scary at the same time because fabulous angles
18:26.29XhoDon't exactly know how to make them in Spore though
18:26.39XhoSpore's parts don't really apply for geometric-style creatues
18:26.42Xhocreatures
18:28.32HachimanHm
18:28.58MonetGeometric, stark, golem-like creatures
18:29.06Wormy_sounds like a dmt machine elf
18:29.46XhoWormy_: What kind of drug have you been doing
18:29.57XhoOh right DMT
18:29.59XhoFair enough
18:30.22XhoThat's well beyond Krath's scope of material manifestations
18:30.47XhoNot that it's beyond Krath's capabilities but you won't see a DMT Machine Elf in the Tuuros Galaxy
18:31.31XhoMakes me wonder fractal patterns would be within his domain of order
18:31.34XhoI guess it would be
18:31.37XhoPatterns and mathetmatics
18:32.20MonetAgreed
18:32.53XhoI can't really put Krath's demons into the fictionverse
18:33.13XhoArx is of a much higher order than Inferno and Inferno's inhabitants are a nasty swarm already
18:33.48XhoI don't really want to say demons either because they're not mindlessly driven to serve him
18:33.55XhoSamut'angar on the other hand, well
18:34.22Wormy_"I had the impression of bursating into a space inhabited by merry elfin, self-transforming, machine creatures.  Dozens of these friendly fractal entities, looking like self-dribbling Faberge eggs on the rebound, had surrounded me and tried teach me the lost language of true poetry.  They seemed to be babbling in a visible five dimensional form of Ecstatic Nostratic
18:34.41XhoAs for Tangent, imagine horrendous demons on an exponentially worse level than Inferno
18:35.08Wormy_to judge from the impact of this gnomish prattle.  Mirror surfaced rivers of melted meaning flowed gurgling around me."  Terence Mckenna
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18:36.08Wormy_What kind of realm is that, Xho?
18:36.47XhoIf it were translated into Xhodocto style nature then most likely Insomnia
18:37.50XhoInsomnia is probably much more complicated than fiction describes
18:38.45XhoI'd imagine it would have no static geography, everything in a constant form of motion
18:38.59Wormy_indeed
18:39.21XhoAnd probably not along a flat plane either, going off in all different angles
18:40.39XhoArx is exactly the opposite
18:41.34XhoFrom what I remember describing it is a massive cylindrical structure spanning towards infinity in both directions but each level of the cylinder is identical to the one that came before it
18:41.52XhoAnd it's the only Chaos plane that is not in anarchy
18:42.07Wormy_Arx is the ordered one, right?
18:42.14XhoKrath's domain yes
18:42.34XhoTangent is Angazhar's which isn't really described
18:42.39XhoMuch other than being 'hell beyond hell'
18:42.40Wormy_That is heaven for the Grimbolsaurians
18:43.33XhoImagine vast swathes of interdimensional horrors waging wars that span greater than the perceived universe and then there's a start
18:44.40XhoAs for Equilibrium, not much to say
18:45.32XhoEmpty to the point where oneself cannot manifest physically I would gather
18:45.47Wormy_sounds like a 'place' not describable by physics, spacetime, logic or mathematics
18:45.51XhoPretty much
18:46.35XhoI think I mentioned once that one cannot remember an experience in Equilibrium because it cannot be experienced
18:47.02XhoIt would only survive as vague remnants of a dream to some extent
18:48.23XhoI'm not sure what kind of effect traversing a Chaos Plane would have
18:48.48XhoI could imagine all of it has a similar sense of being as in a dream but with more vividness to it
18:49.26XhoSome of them definitely would leave a mark one way or another
18:57.56Wormy_Xho:  Reminds me of this https://youtu.be/HVf81iwSXT4?t=3m28s
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18:59.31MonetHi
19:02.40dino82hi
19:04.07Wormy_I used to think of all these people seperate worlds an part of separate metaphysical realities, now I'm starting to think they inhabit only one.  Want to look for things where the normal rules of addition don't apply?  Look at clouds.
19:05.06Wormy_Want to find an ontology based on the sum of complex numbers?  Measure the spins of electrons or other particles
19:05.40Wormy_maybe there will be some weird physics based on supernatural numbers we'll need some day
19:11.01Wormy_I don't understand http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:218511
19:11.46XhoThe thing about Hawking Radiation isn't relevant to the game
19:11.55Wormy_What Spore history section, what does it relate to the [ir]relevance of Hawking radiation on the Spore black hole page?
19:12.11OluapPlayerYeah that question is very strangely worded
19:12.26OluapPlayerBut I do agree the mentioned section is irrelevant and could be removed
19:12.32MonetI think he means the timeline
19:13.44MonetTalking about Hawking radiation is pure fluff really
19:17.53MonetI hardly hear the word googol when talking cosmic age
19:19.53MonetI find it more practical to use  the standard form value
19:20.41Wormy_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:218511
19:20.47Wormy_Added a comment
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19:25.07Monet2In design terms, the game's timeline is largely cosmetic - the stars never change position, are never born and never die
19:26.34Monet2the idea they added a form of cosmic evolution to the final release is really unlikely based on current content
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19:27.34Wormy_Yeah its a static universe, only the player's actions [or inaction like letting a terrascore go down) make change occur
19:28.11Wormy_I imagine the evolution timeline doesn't have a limit but there will be a player out there with the longest save
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19:30.09MonetSome games have a maximum counter but it's usually intended as a number so high it is almost impossible to reach
19:30.56Monetan invisible cap so the computer doesn't break
19:36.08Wormy_That is likely the casewith Spore
19:36.22Imperiosdrom: >(+1 845 580)
19:36.23Imperioshttps://youtu.be/XmVz05r1gFE?t=126
19:36.23Wormy_tbh I ended up ignoring the timelineafterGA, becauseit would break
19:39.13dromImperios: Finally someone noticed me~~
19:39.28ImperiosSenpai will then immediately un-notice you >:)
19:42.41dromImperios: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c46/kakashidiot/oh%20edo%20rocket/vlcsnap-3115311.png
19:42.46dromAnd back to there I return
19:43.36Wormy_Youtube:  "Is NASAhiding our secondSun?"  Answer: no
19:44.45OluapPlayerThey hid it in a little chest inside their cabinet so you can't find it
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19:48.50Wormy_more stupid kind of stupid http://imgur.com/gallery/d8Sd2
20:12.26Monet2What about aircraft carriers
20:13.34Monet2Wait 1931?
20:14.17Monet2This looks like satire to me
20:18.28OluapPlayerYes, if you go right from japan, you fall off the world and get eaten by a giant lovecraftian beast under the Earth
20:19.21Monet2Or you just fall forever. The great horror is a picky eater
20:23.32Imperiosdrom: Checking your page, isn't that a lot of nonsense?
20:23.55ImperiosLike, words that, in most if not all languages, ought to have at least one common morpheme, have nothing in common
20:24.06ImperiosAnd I do not see any grammar or morphemic order in that thing
20:28.38Monet2Needs patterns
20:33.46ImperiosExactly
20:34.03ImperiosSyntax, the works
20:34.42HachimanSin tax
20:35.48HachimanYou are allowed to commit sinful and heretical activities, at the cost of monthly tax which varies depending on how many sinful activities you are participating in and how severely heretical they happen to be
20:37.42OluapPlayerlegit the best idea I've heard all day
20:39.31ImperiosHachiman: Wasn't that the point of indulgences?
20:39.42Imperiosthe idea
20:40.30HachimanProbably
20:44.58dromImperios: Yep. I was in doubt and googled "entire english dictionary in a text file"
20:46.10XhoHachiman: watchu talkin about willis
20:48.49XhoImperios: I told Drom the page was nonsense earlier and he wanted the real linguist to take a look
20:48.59Xhowas he not entertained
20:49.58ImperiosI am a highly incompetent linguist and even I can tell you that's nonesense
20:50.07Imperiosnonsense, even
20:50.09Imperioscase in point
20:50.32XhoLanguage is easy tho
20:50.34XhoEasy enough
20:55.12XhoWell I don't get Slavic languages actually
20:55.18XhoI don't get them at all
20:56.27XhoImperios: >criminal investigation on Netanyahu
20:56.49ImperiosXho: Now even the Jews think the Jews are behind everything
20:56.56Xhoheh
20:59.58XhoSo Donald Trump claims he wants to have better relations with Israel
21:00.05XhoNetanyahu goes under criminal investigation
21:00.10Xhodat timing tho
21:01.43dromXho Imperios: I am actually well aware it is nonsense. But it is actually nice to have material to back up as reference.
21:02.00ImperiosXho: GREATEST ALLY WHERE IS FOOD
21:02.15ImperiosIsrael's politics always seem weird to me
21:02.17Imperiosseemed
21:02.38ImperiosThey're extremely enclosed and kind of oligarchic, it's like it's nothing but old people moving from position to position interchangeable
21:02.41Imperiosbly even
21:03.13HachimanI do believe I've made it a short-term to try and look how to make curry sauce
21:03.22Hachiman*short-term goal
21:04.10Xhochoice
21:04.34XhoImperios: >tfw the USA is probably Israel's best ally and they keep edging the USA about how serious their relationship is not
21:04.49XhoPALESTINE IS THE BUZZWORD
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21:07.49Xho_Huh well
21:18.50dromBut yes. I kinda plan on improve my language generator so it takes basic concepts to account
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21:19.51The_RandomnessHello
21:26.01Xho_bored
21:27.06XhoI suppose I should fill up a Xhodocto page
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21:50.21Wormy_hi
21:52.32Wormy_Damnitmy spacebar needs to betapped extra hardto work now.
21:55.31Tek0516Lol
21:55.41dino82bye bye
22:06.39XhoHachiman: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/5f/AngazharSigil.png/revision/latest?cb=20161228220533 Redid Angazhar's Sigil
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22:07.18Wormy__hi
22:09.29dromWormy__:myspacebarbroke
22:09.56Wormy__itdid
22:10.10XhoWormy now has to type as if he's on some near-fatal caffeine rush
22:10.33Wormy__wellatleastitsavesabitofenergy
22:10.35dromOh,Xho.Please
22:10.53XhoAESTHETICdoesn'treallyworkwithoutanyspacebarsnowdoesit
22:11.06dromIhadcoffeerushesseveraltimes.SpeciallywhenItriedtosleepaftercuggingdownonewholepitchofit.
22:11.19XhoYeah caffeine rush and then going to bed
22:11.22XhoNot the greatest idea
22:11.39dromI remember when I told Wormy__ about my bad habit of that
22:11.52dromOnce I felt like my heart was stuck in my throat
22:11.57dromand it smelled like gasoline
22:12.19Wormy__i don't likefeeling my heart beat atnight
22:12.21dromWormy__ was all like, "I need coffee like that."
22:12.48Wormy__I did at the time
22:13.51dromANYWAY. I KNOW MY LANGUAGE THAT CONTAINS LIKE 2 MILLION BYTES IS NONSENSE. RIGHT?
22:14.40dromGee. I really need to find better word lists
22:14.52XhoCan't you make it smaller
22:14.55dromNo
22:15.03dromI need to find a better word list
22:15.18dromBecause the current list I use is like 24k words.
22:15.59dromA word list that contains only substantives
22:16.36dromErr. Actually I was wrong
22:16.37dromhttps://github.com/dwyl/english-words
22:16.47dromLike 240 thousand words.
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22:18.33dromYes you read it right
22:19.09dromThe language I put on my own userspace contains glibberish that are 240 thosuand words.
22:19.33Xhoget numbers
22:20.23dromhttp://www.desiquintans.com/downloads/nounlist/nounlist.txt
22:20.35dromThis seems to be much shorter
22:20.38dromAnd nouns only
22:20.51dromBut my problem is that, it does not cover everything I need.
22:43.01XhoHm
22:44.25dromI might have to make a public list that anyone can edit to add words
22:44.46Xhoxhodocto
22:44.46Xhothere
22:45.05dromBut I am afraid I am not that crazy to read every page of my english dictionary to do all the work
22:45.25Liquid_InkI made "Xhodocto" my highschool password once.
22:47.16dromkek
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22:48.52MonetHi
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22:51.46dromAnd I am back
22:51.57MonetHiya
22:52.21The_RandomnessHello
22:52.23dromAnyway. Xho. The faction is something "Holy Clans of Zeba" or "Holy Zeban Clans"
22:52.31Xhohm
22:52.46XhoI like both of those names so I can't pick a favourite
22:53.40dromBasically a clan-based theocracy with an elite exploiting technology to keep their people faithful of their own religion.
22:53.55Xhopraise lies
22:54.48dromAnd of course there will be clans that oppose the methods of the controlling power. They have their own sovereignty and are considered heretics.
22:55.26dromAbout heretics, they view everyone except themselves as heretics. Including opposors.
22:56.28dromSentient strong lizards? Heresy. Furry agile mammalians? Heresy.
22:57.01Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Angazhar While we're on the Tuuros convo, redid Angazhar again
22:59.03drom> all red faces in relations
22:59.16drom"I AM NOT ANGRY, I JUST HAVE VOICE MODULATION PROBLEMS? OKAY?"
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23:01.40OluapPlayer>I hold seven thousand daggers above your one head.       >canonically dead for nearly 20 years
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23:02.10XhoAngazhar - not even safe post-mortem motherfucker
23:02.22XhoShould remove that
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23:02.44OluapPlayerAlso remove Tyraz who's also canonically dead for nearly 20 years
23:02.50Xhom8
23:03.26XhoThere we go
23:05.21dromXho: http://i.somethingawful.com/u/bobservo/simcity/v.jpg
23:05.28Xholel
23:05.29MonetXhodocto are eternal, how long someone has been dead for means little
23:05.57dromBut yes. It looks awesome Angazhar.
23:06.02dromAmen
23:06.03dromI mean
23:06.03dromXho
23:06.41Monetmaybe Angazhar decides to torture alternate universe Tyrazs
23:07.26XhoAngazhar - >tfw infinite tyraz
23:07.35XhoOr no face for that matter
23:08.07MonetI like the idea that his very voice breaks and destroys things
23:08.27XhoWhich reminds me, Cyrannian still hasn't removed Draguros from Tyrone's relations
23:09.13Xho"You cling to the illusion that you are in control, that reality bows to your power. You have none here."                            Draguros - bit rude
23:09.50OluapPlayerAsk him to then
23:10.02Xhoaint here tho
23:10.47MonetNeeds nag
23:11.01XhoStill though, when the Vranntan realise their god is Angazhar
23:11.04OluapPlayerYou need nag
23:11.04XhoShit's gonna fly
23:11.08OluapPlayerFinish your part of the war
23:11.33dromHow about "Holy Rablikhemaan Order of Zeba"
23:11.47Xhodafuq's a rablibab
23:11.51MonetI can see tonight
23:12.13MonetI wrote a but of my KrawWar today
23:12.26dromRablikhemaa is just a nonsense combination of "god" and "religion" from the language I generated
23:12.54dromRabli and Khemaa
23:13.42Xhodrom: (+1,845,580)‎ edit
23:13.50XhoDrom gets the award for Biggest Edit Ever
23:13.52Tek0516:/ So now Carrie Fisher's mother has been rushed to the hospital reportedly after having a stroke.
23:14.08Xho2016 is fucking with us
23:14.43MonetIt was taxing to make the Iteok not suck at invading so I needed recuperation
23:14.48dromXho: Look at me, look at me. I am the biggest contributor now.
23:15.02Xhoya bastard
23:16.35XhoActually the biggest contributor would be the one with the most edits
23:16.42XhoWhich I think is Oluap
23:17.41drom:thinking:
23:17.47dromI should keep generating more languages
23:17.50drom*runs away*
23:17.55Xhostop the madness
23:17.58Xhostop the madness now
23:18.00dromno
23:19.24dromOR I MEAN
23:19.29dromZakgu
23:19.40Xhowhen I was your age Imperios was called Империос
23:19.56dromhttp://i.imgur.com/HdKBJ3b.png
23:20.15Xhoawful
23:20.22dromзакгу
23:20.31dromNow I know.
23:20.48dromWrite all these in cyrillic.
23:20.49XhoActually when I was your age he was Imperios
23:20.50Xhomy bad
23:21.41dromImplying that Imperios was named Империос before I was born
23:21.57XhoProbably
23:23.14dromWormy__: http://imgur.com/gallery/2E81PWN
23:23.20dromXho too
23:23.40Xhoaw
23:23.48Wormy__aww
23:32.07dromI think I forgot sharing this with you. Xho, Wormy__ Monet: http://i.imgur.com/4bwWveJ.gifv
23:32.16Xhofoox
23:33.08Wormy__wunderbar
23:33.15MonetXho: If we have Maleus as a champion of Angazhar would he be a servant?
23:33.20dromAnd I raise you this too. https://i.redditmedia.com/43c2gk3Jr-BD7CBarHkycnZW1x1nOGB4plbqKIKOh_g.jpg?w=515&s=61f828cc2918f598ac3ec357d3b9cb49
23:33.30dromUgh, fucking reddit and their reference links
23:33.44XhoMonet: Depends on how hellbent Maleus is on destroying things
23:34.34MonetHe's pretty passionate about maim kill burn
23:34.52Monetwarped by his time in Inferno
23:34.59Wormy__meraviglioso
23:36.24MonetI don't imagine mortal Maleus was a quite as hellbent on fire and murder and all that fun stuff
23:39.51MonetAfter Hell? He did chase Alasta horribly murdering anyone in front of him
23:42.46XhoAngazhar - twas funny
23:42.54XhoMakes sense I guess
23:43.03XhoOluapPlayer: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/253719737906826613/8B2AEDBBABFC1960637340583538C07F50C4AD45/ I need to die
23:43.20OluapPlayermeem
23:43.29Xhohand me the bleach
23:43.40dromXho: I guess if the Zebans had a clan worshipping the eldritch of Tuuros would be all like https://i.imgur.com/OpFcp.jpg
23:43.55XhoDrom: Angazhar - twas funny
23:44.33MonetMaleus - I LIVE TO
23:44.38Monet<PROTECTED>
23:44.49XhoAngazhar - why
23:45.21MonetMaleus - coz burning thinks look fun
23:46.08dromZeban - We are out of wood. ... Let's throw that guy in.
23:47.12dromAnd then the clan was soon mysteriously erdicated after all its members were found charred at a huge pile
23:48.25MonetMaleus - Saturday nights are the best
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23:50.50dromLater the next sunday. A planet goes under dark - the following day it was found to be charred, all its eldritch worshippers charred.
23:50.52TybusenHello
23:50.57Monet<PROTECTED>
23:51.00MonetHi
23:51.35dromMaleus and Angazhar seem to be going through "I just want to see the universe burn"
23:52.41Wormy__because they saw a spider
23:55.05dromAha
23:55.59dromThis Kath <eldritch-worshipping> has an important fundament in their faith; anything resembling spiders must be burned
23:57.18MonetFire is the best way to deal with spiders

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