IRC log for #sporewiki on 20161222

00:03.33MonetI had a thought of mapping out Desmond Miles' ancestry.
00:07.21MonetDesmond's father William was born in 1948, while the Fryes produced a daughter in 1893, that's the closest to the present we get.
00:08.25MonetThrough William Miles, Desmond has Arabic, English, Italian, Welsh and Iroqius blood.
00:12.07TechnobliteratorWell, I submitted the coursework
00:12.25TechnobliteratorI'm glad it's over, but I'm not satisfied at all, I feel like I could've done something so much better had I given it more time
00:13.32GD12said every computer science major ever
00:13.43GD12regardless its probably fine if it works
00:14.49TechnobliteratorI mean, the vast majority of it does
00:14.54Technobliteratorone part I couldn't test, but I hope works
00:15.03TechnobliteratorI just could've made something way better
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00:24.52GD12hello?
00:24.54GD12hello!
00:24.59tcmhi
00:25.00GD12the collective mind right?
00:25.30tcmyup
00:27.28tcmwhat's the bare minimum skeleton of an empire page
00:27.49tcmphilosophy, technology, government, history, ???
00:28.03GD12military, foreign relations, possibly culture
00:29.13TybusenI'd say history, relations, society/culture, and military are the absolute minimum
00:29.30TybusenAt least as far as vital info for interaction with other societies go
00:30.12TybusenActually, even history might not be necessary, though history gives a lot of context to everything
00:32.16tcmwhat sort of stuff goes in foreign relations
00:32.26tcmjust general diplomatic policy?
00:33.08TybusenForeign policy, and actual relations with other states, if they have any
00:35.48Charles_MurrayI could help you with the foreign policy bit
00:35.57Charles_MurrayIt's pretty tricky
00:36.17tcmi might take you up on that later
00:36.46Charles_MurrayA good start for foreign relations would be your relationship, alignment, or desired relationship with major Gigaquadrantic powers and your own partners
00:37.03GD12which empire is this for?
00:37.11Charles_MurrayThis is how I built mine: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Alliances_and_commitments
00:37.14tcma current wip
00:37.51tcmhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:The_Collective_Mind/Motive
00:38.29tcmshort, sweet, and absurdly biased b/c i'm going to attach more objective in-depth articles to it once i'm done with this first bit
00:39.39tcmbut basically their foreign policy "on the surface" is "let's be friends! everyone will benefit from Progress" and in reality they're relentlessly mechanical, expansionistic loan sharks
00:40.22Charles_MurraySo you have means and underlying motive there
00:40.57tcmexploit the galaxy eat the stars
00:41.00tcmalso ha ha
00:42.43Charles_MurrayA foreign policy is the general theory as to how means are meant to relate to ends, with real-world interests, issues, and how all of these elements relate to other power centers acting as the intermediary.
00:43.47Charles_Murray(In reality, the term "foreign policy" is really, really hard to define and nobody really knows what it means precisely, but I just gave you a messy, "right enough" definition we can work with)
00:47.03GD12tl;dr foreign policy is how you deal with other states - i think you've already made a good distinction between what they present on the surface and what they actually do
00:47.24Charles_MurrayWell uh
00:47.34Charles_Murray"How you deal with other states"
00:47.36Charles_MurrayKind of
00:47.52Charles_MurrayOther states factor in as tools or obstacles in the definition I provided
00:48.13Charles_MurrayNot as the end of foreign policy
00:49.30TybusenIt seems more like that foreign policy is outlining how a country is going to interact with/use other countries/states in order to achieve its own ends (e.g. world domination, peace, Cultural Victory, etc.)
00:49.47Charles_Murray^
00:50.03tcmi figure the biggest part of motive's foreign policy is mercantile, selling useful technology/services to other nations
00:50.11Charles_MurrayBut importantly, it also needs to be cognizant of the tools (means) it has at its disposal
00:50.16Charles_MurrayTo accomplish its goals
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00:53.28GD12So goal is expansionism and progress as defined by more factories and more resources right?
00:54.11GD12It achieves that both by traditional expansion and creating deals in which it sells/licenses its advanced technology and the accompanying services to powers with lots of resources but not lots of tech
00:55.26GD12it would  thus aim its policy at civilizations of a similar size with insufficient technology to do things such as win wars, produce enough resources etc
00:56.01GD12and the military arm would come into play once those civilizations were unable to pay the steep costs associated with doing business with motive
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00:57.43DrodoEmpireHi everyone
00:57.57DrodoEmpireOh hey GD12
00:58.05DrodoEmpireBack from breakfast, good stuff
00:58.10GD12hai
01:00.53TybusenDrodoEmpire: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/5e/GSC_Petragada_Sovereignty_Map.png/revision/latest?cb=20161221215047 http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d8/GSC_Corsaic_Sovereignty_Map.png/revision/latest?cb=20161221222846 A couple of new GSC maps I made, idk if that interests you
01:01.12DrodoEmpireSure it does
01:01.25DrodoEmpireThe images provided are a wee small
01:01.29DrodoEmpireBut yeah I like them
01:02.10DrodoEmpirehttps://scontent.fyhz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15622088_664673877040626_1414195040894456365_n.jpg?oh=5c557c636f97a142790595782deb58a9&oe=58E7967D
01:02.41Tybusen"we are number one"
01:03.21DrodoEmpireayy lmao
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01:09.39DrodoEmpireHey Tek
01:09.47tcmGD12: that's exactly what i was aiming for
01:10.01GD12np
01:10.14GD12another thing you might want to investigate
01:10.25GD12motive having "protectorates" or "vassals" in name
01:10.28GD12and charging them obscene prices
01:10.31GD12for services
01:10.34GD12and forcing them to do so
01:11.08tcmthis is also something i've thought about
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01:11.30tcmstraight up absorbing small/weak nations in all but name
01:12.27tcmthe main roadblock irt that though is idk if it's bad form to namedrop other empires if they don't actually exist in any form except to be namedropped
01:13.03DrodoEmpireNot bad form no
01:13.20DrodoEmpireYou're allowed to make as many fictions as you want and make them as fleshed out or as shallow as you want
01:13.28GD12no you can make up other empires to give context to ur main one
01:13.42DrodoEmpireNothing saying you can't make nations only be be conquered by yours
01:13.44tcmoh good
01:13.57NeonPanda*points to self* guilty
01:14.03GD12haha
01:14.06DrodoEmpirehur
01:14.11GD12even if you only mention them by name and perhaps a sentence of flavor
01:14.25DrodoEmpireAlso I could help with military stuff if you like, as I enjoy that sorta thing
01:14.26tcmi used to have a Necrox Commonwealth planned whose schtick was amoral super-science
01:14.28TybusenA lot of the major fictions of the Wiki make mentions of species/empires that don't exist in the present and are mostly only mentioned in historical context
01:15.05DrodoEmpireThat or fictions whose existence is basically in constant conflict with another one of their fictions and that other fiction only, so my example for that would be the Silvan
01:15.28tcmit turns out it's pretty hard to have "amoral super-science" as your schtick if the baseline technology level is super-science
01:15.35DrodoEmpireWhich are the native inhabitants of a colonial capital of the Drodo Empire and are a general pain in the ass
01:15.43tcmso now they just provide quotations on relevant subjects
01:15.50GD12DrodoEmpire : not aware of this story, could you link me?
01:16.11GD12It could be amoral superscience relative to your other fictions
01:16.19GD12under the assumption that your first fictions are based on those interactions
01:16.24GD12iirc you also have the bidonites
01:16.41DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet%3ANew_Aratacia http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature%3ASilvan http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:06/08/2814 GD12
01:16.43tcmyup
01:17.04DrodoEmpireNew Aratacia is their homeworld, they're Silvan, and the last link is a story I'm working on involving them
01:17.05tcmmy conception of bidonite technology level is "stronger than UNSC, a little weaker than the covenant"
01:17.20tcmturns out that makes them really, wildly underpowered on the galactic stage
01:17.26DrodoEmpire^
01:17.39DrodoEmpireThat's about Tier 3, which is fine
01:17.48DrodoEmpireIts okay to be behind technologically as this isn't a competition
01:18.03GD12low tier 3/ high tier 4
01:18.07GD12i think measures are in place tho
01:18.16GD12that as soon as someone wants to collaborate with more advanced fictions
01:18.21GD12that there is a proliferation of arms technology
01:18.25GD12as in the arms market
01:18.44DrodoEmpireEhh, not necessarily, its easy to tech up in general now though if you become connected with the international community
01:18.51DrodoEmpireBasically they're humanoid marsupial primitives that exist in constant conflict with the Drodo settlers
01:19.11GD12thats what i was saying
01:19.12DrodoEmpireThey're extremely rapid breeders, need little food, and are very sharp and very adaptable
01:19.17DrodoEmpireThe Silvan that is
01:19.21GD12oh g these hiccups hurt
01:19.36GD12you can tech up as needed once you want to collab with the big boys of the gigaquadrant
01:19.43GD12drodoempire : reading now
01:19.46tcmmotive is actually one of the ways i'm giving the bidonites a leg up
01:19.49DrodoEmpireTake really deep breaths through your nose, I find that that represses the hiccoughs
01:20.02Charles_MurrayAnd if you look at France
01:20.13Charles_MurrayWhoops
01:20.14Charles_MurrayOkay
01:20.15DrodoEmpireAnd do it really quickly and power through any feeling
01:20.19Charles_MurrayThat train has left the station
01:20.23Charles_MurrayNvm
01:20.35DrodoEmpire*any feeling of them coming on
01:21.21GD12thanks
01:21.22DrodoEmpireGD12: Just a note that I'll need to update for recent history
01:21.24tcmthe bidonites being insulated from motive's "consume everything" philosophy by being deeply paranoid of diplomatic entanglements
01:21.28DrodoEmpirenp
01:23.17GD12I see
01:23.28GD12Motive from what i've seen is Tier 3 with some Tier 2 technology
01:23.42GD12Given its focus on megastructures and such
01:23.51tcmsomething like that
01:24.04tcmi'll be giving one of their terminals a page eventually
01:24.50GD12What are your plans on eventually introducing the Bidonites to the greater Gigaquadrant?
01:25.28tcmyou know, when i first conceived of them i had vague plans for them falling in on the wrong side of the next gigaquadrantic crisis
01:25.59GD12i think with the current state of affairs there is space for a lot of flashpoints
01:26.02GD12but gigaquadrant spanning wars
01:26.07GD12seem not to be the order of the day now
01:26.12tcmtrue
01:26.17tcmkeep in mind this was years ago
01:26.18GD12Dominatus : :(
01:26.18Charles_MurrayEhh
01:26.23Charles_MurrayI mean
01:26.32Charles_MurrayYou don't exactly see big gigaquadrantic wars coming
01:26.48Charles_MurrayThe next big one could spring out of any one of these crises
01:27.13GD12thats true
01:27.29tcmgetting empowered by alien supertechnology/demonic energies and becoming relentless cheerful militarists with superpowers
01:34.01GD12well whats the plan now?
01:35.47tcmno idea
01:36.15tcmi did plan on entering them into da reckoning, but i was too busy
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02:23.43Wormy_goodnight
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07:59.52Liquid_InkIf the DSB got colonies in Borealis I'd make them all lava and desert planets, just to be contrary
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08:39.17HachimanHi
08:40.37Liquid_InkHello
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09:23.56NeonPandahi all
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09:24.35NeonPandaHachiman: context for that random skype message: had a dungeon run in FFXIV where the black mage managed to stand in basically every circle of bad it was possible to stand in
09:24.54HachimanOh God
09:25.25Liquid_InkHachi has found religion.
09:25.37NeonPandalike I get that you have to stand still to cast spells, but you have no good reason to be standing still in an attack that dumps half your health
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09:26.39Liquid_InkHello
09:27.46NeonPandaoh this reminds me I need to look up something from Kingdoms of Amalur to show you when I'm done washing the wax out of my hair
09:34.17dino82_hi
09:36.19Liquid_InkHow are you?
09:40.26dino82_Great!
09:40.30dino82_Holiday until christmas
09:40.35dino82_very happy about that "d
09:40.37dino82_and you?
09:40.40dino82_Nice updates you made
09:40.56Liquid_InkI'm doing alright
09:40.58Liquid_InkAnd thank you
09:41.15dino82_Great to hear!
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10:16.20GhelaeHello.
10:18.28dino82_hi
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10:28.49ImpyDroid2Hi
10:28.56ImpyDroid2Hachiman Monet: https://vk.com/photo-85014437_456239087
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10:42.58ImpyAndroidTybusen: Latin test in 30 minutes
10:43.24ImpyAndroidListening to the Roman theme from Civ V while preparing
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12:15.48dino82_hi
12:24.10ImpyDroidPassed my Latin exam
12:24.14ImpyDroidI am a true Roman now
12:24.59Jesus_InkTime to incite rebellion against you then.
12:26.43GhelaeThe problem with Jesus Ink is that you can't crucify it, because it'll just drip down off the nails.
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12:42.23Wormy_hi
12:42.33Wormy_I only worship Cheesus
12:43.31Jesus_InkOkay, context:
12:43.35Jesus_Ink[22:24] <ImpyDroid> I am a true Roman now
12:43.38Jesus_Ink[22:24] <Jesus_Ink> Time to incite rebellion against you then.
12:46.47GhelaeMore context: [12:24] <ImpyDroid> Passed my Latin exam
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12:47.36Wormy_Now it all makes sense
12:49.01MonetHi
12:49.32GhelaeHello.
12:50.33dromWhile drawing a ship. Someone asked me to insert a furry-bait pinup. http://i.imgur.com/AIUPIrR.png
12:51.45MonetLol
12:52.39MonetActually that works, it's like those fighter jets that crews paint half-naked women on the fore end of the fuselage.
12:55.55drom*shrug* here is the actual finished product http://i.imgur.com/okyFRN5.png
13:00.01dromBut yes. Hello Wormy_ and Monet
13:00.33Wormy_Seasons greetings
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13:08.20TechnobliteratorWormy_, I finally submitted the coursework :o
13:08.44Wormy_Well done, good luck with it
13:08.51HachimanI should probably note that saying "Merry Christmas" isn't advised anymore considering we have to be more aware of other religious holidays taking place around this time
13:08.53TechnobliteratorI'm not 100% satisfied with it. I feel like I could've made something far better had I not left it so late, and that I could've completed 100% of the task instead of only 85% or so. However, I am glad that it's over
13:08.57HachimanSo instead, I suggest "Happy Holidays"
13:08.58Technobliteratoreh
13:09.03Technobliteratorjust say whichever
13:09.08TechnobliteratorI don't think anyone sensible cares
13:09.21OluapPlayerHAVE A TERRIBLE HOLIDAY I HOPE YOUR SOCK IS FILLED WITH COAL
13:09.58Technobliteratorother than idiot social conservatives who are all "HOW DARE YALL DISRESPECT BABY JEEZUS AND NOT CALL IT MERRY CHRISTMAS BTW I HATE SJW SAFE SPACES"
13:10.13Wormy_Hachiman:  That's actually more intolerant.  It assumes other cultures can't be integrated or that individuals can't see the nice gesture
13:10.17OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Kondrakar_Dominion chek new page i made instead of talking about this
13:10.35HachimanAye, check page
13:10.42MonetTechnobliterator: Or what about "HOW DARE YOU THINK OF ONLY JESUS OTHER RELIGIONS CELBRATE THIS TIME TOO"
13:10.44HachimanAlso I was only making a joke cus I knew it'd get a bit of a rise hur
13:11.08TechnobliteratorThat is stupid too, but I rarely come across it
13:11.09Wormy_Hachiman:  I remember a Jewish population complaining in one English city about the council not putting lights up encase it offended them
13:11.22TechnobliteratorI would check page, but bbl gym
13:11.34Hachiman>gym
13:11.47HachimanGirl you study ICT and digital media, why you working out
13:11.56MonetWhy not?
13:12.01Wormy_Alright, I thought it was a joke but it none-the-less set off a rant
13:12.50HachimanWhy not just sit at home and become an unhealthy slob like me, a pillar of personal unfitness
13:13.12OluapPlayerWe all aspire to have hobo hair like Hachi
13:13.17MonetThere are two girls on my animation course who do yoga every Thursday.
13:14.21Wormy_I've not gone running in weeks.  I feel unhealthy sitting at the computer everday
13:16.58MonetI might be the anti-Hachi. I walk at least five miles a week, (used to be ten) and I avoid ready-meals like the plague.
13:19.02Wormy_I just come across this game http://unknownworlds.com/subnautica/
13:19.23HachimanI mean, I used to walk very often, and still do; I walk almost everywhere because I physically cannot drive
13:21.36MonetI get you.
13:21.49Wormy_Used to walk 15 miles or more the Peaks and dales when I was younger
13:22.03OluapPlayerYou never heard of Subnautica before?
13:22.12OluapPlayerIt's been around for like a year already
13:22.34MonetI prefer to cook my meals myself these days
13:22.39Wormy_Came across it from a youtube comment
13:22.53OluapPlayerClosest thing to a game about the deep sea you can get today
13:23.08OluapPlayerBut the creature designs are goofy
13:23.44HachimanActually
13:23.49HachimanSOMA is a pretty good deep sea game
13:24.02HachimanIt's like AMNESIA set in a post-apocalyptic underwater setting
13:24.09OluapPlayerI've heard the name but don't know any details
13:24.10MonetThe other day I took the standard recipe for mac and cheese but I've tried making it with pepper, ginger, spring onions, leeks, green beans, bacon, soft chees, hard cheese, seasoned cheese, sheep's cheese and half a dozen variants of pasta.
13:24.27Monet(not all at once that's insane)
13:24.31HachimanWormy_: SOMA is a philosophical horror trip set in the deep sea, I suggest you check that out
13:24.57OluapPlayerThis reminds me
13:25.17OluapPlayerI've found pictures of fish adapted to live in caves and they look horrifying
13:25.20MonetThe other day was when I tried making Mac'N'Cheese with cavern-aged cheddar and spring onions.
13:25.23HachimanOh?
13:25.38OluapPlayerhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Cyprinidae_-_Phreatichthys_andruzzii.JPG
13:25.49Wormy_Sounds interesting.  Reminds me of a Dreamcast game I used to play, which was based in the far future and humans have fled underwater and live in big bases.  You had a craft and had to find resources and battle monstrousfish
13:26.01HachimanThey look kinda cute
13:26.17OluapPlayerIt's got like big red skin where its eye should be
13:26.35Wormy_Are the animals procedurally generated?
13:26.52OluapPlayerIn Subnautica? No
13:26.56MonetOluapPlayer: Some of them look like they have no eyes at all
13:27.21OluapPlayerI don't think that game has any procedural generation
13:27.29Wormy_Oh sorry, I thought you found cave adapted fish in Subnautica
13:27.42OluapPlayerNo I'm talking about real life cavefish
13:28.27OluapPlayerMonet: You're right, I just found one with flat out no eyes https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Astyanax_mexicanus_01.jpg
13:28.57HachimanFish eyes creep me out anyway
13:29.02HachimanSo eyeless fish should be fine
13:29.13OluapPlayery dis
13:29.15MonetNo real point in eyes if your environment is pitch-black.
13:29.25HachimanBecause fish eyes look dead and lifeless?
13:29.37HachimanI was gonna say that eyes are not really necessary in caves
13:29.46Wormy_Hachi:  Sometimes people find squid and fish eyes wash up on the shore
13:29.51OluapPlayerI know why they don't have eyes
13:29.56OluapPlayerDoesn't make them any less ugly
13:30.01Hachimandeyr cute tho
13:30.11OluapPlayerAnd fish eyes aren't anymore dead and lifeless than other animal eyes
13:30.20HachimanThey're not like shit you find in the abyss
13:30.22Wormy_http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/12/article-0-15761172000005DC-749_634x388.jpg
13:30.26Wormy_like that
13:30.35Hachimanech
13:30.40OluapPlayer"i c u"
13:30.44HachimanAlso that's fucking huge
13:30.53OluapPlayerMust be a giant squid eye
13:31.06OluapPlayerColossal squids have the largest eyes of all animals for one
13:31.09Wormy_Indeed they think it was
13:31.17ImpyDroid2Merry FILTHY WESTERN CATHOLIC-PROTESTANT Christmas to you
13:31.43HachimanI actually celebrate Yule I'll think you find
13:31.55OluapPlayeryall motherfuckers need krampus
13:32.02dromTechnobliterator: Oh hey. Hope the course work went well!
13:32.07Wormy_ImpyDroid2 nsfw song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFNqvcTtfz8
13:32.10ImpyDroid2That does not make it less filthy Western
13:32.32HachimanMakes it significantly less Catholic / Protestant given that it's pagan hur
13:32.33ImpyDroid2And it's still rooted in Western Christian tradition ultimately
13:32.34MonetImpyDroid: I think these days Christmas is more like "Happy spend fucking money on presents day"
13:33.02ImpyDroid2Hachiman: Modern paganism is nothing like medieval paganism tho
13:33.09ImpyDroid2Well pre-medieval/early medieval
13:33.18HachimanI will sacrifice your fucking goats
13:33.23OluapPlayerWhere's Krampus from anyway?
13:33.38HachimanFolklore
13:33.40ImpyDroid2Hachiman: Isn't that a Muslim thing though
13:33.53OluapPlayerr u shittin me
13:33.56MonetOluapPlayer: He's Germanic I think
13:34.03Wormy_Io Saturnalia!
13:34.07OluapPlayerRight
13:34.19ImpyDroid2I honestly am very suspicious of most neopagan movements because they are based on rather flimsy reconstructions of old myths
13:34.20Wormy_Impy should know what that is now he is a Roman
13:34.28OluapPlayerKrampus doesn't exist in our Christmas
13:34.30ImpyDroid2Yeah I am aware of them; I think they are over today
13:34.35OluapPlayerI have to wonder how things would be like if he did
13:34.47HachimanKrampus doesn't exist in most families' Christmas because kids are raised to be unaware of him
13:34.47ImpyDroid2Yeah last day of the Saturnalia today
13:34.53HachimanMollycoddled little bastards
13:34.55ImpyDroid2Let's celebrate
13:35.01OluapPlayer"be nice or the horrifying goat demon will kill you"
13:35.10MonetKrampus is still popular in Southern Germany, Austria, the Czech republic, that part of the world.
13:35.38HachimanBut in the UK and America, they instead say that Santa brings coal instead of Krampus taking your fucking soul
13:35.44ImpyDroid2So ultimately they do not present a radical new morality or cosmology, but are rooted in Western Christian tradition
13:35.51ImpyDroid2Or Orthodox Christian tradition
13:35.54OluapPlayerAh so the coal is a replacement for Krampus
13:36.12OluapPlayerI was legit unaware of all this
13:36.17ImpyDroid2Hachiman Monet: What I do not understand is
13:36.28Monethttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Gruss_vom_Krampus.jpg mery Christmas from Bavaria!
13:36.45OluapPlayerfucking big ass tongue
13:36.49ImpyDroid2If you do not like the Christian connotations of Christmas why revive some pagan rituals when you can go for something new and secular like we did
13:36.51HachimanI like how casual that girl looks
13:36.58ImpyDroid2New Year best
13:37.08OluapPlayerLittle girl's like "here we go again"
13:37.20HachimanI don't like the Christian or capitalist connotations of Christmas hur
13:37.33ImpyDroid2ARBEITER BAUERN
13:37.35HachimanIn fact I just don't like Christmas
13:37.37Hachimanbah humbug
13:37.39ImpyDroid2GEGEN DIE GEWEHRE
13:37.42OluapPlayerfuk off scrooge
13:37.48ImpyDroid2GEGEN DIE GEWEHRE ZUR HAND
13:37.58HachimanQuit your Rammstein and start making sense
13:38.03MonetI think the stories of coal came from the Victorian era because back then coal was damn-bear everywhere.
13:38.18ImpyDroid2New Year is not Christian and it was invented in the USSR
13:38.25OluapPlayer>damn-bear
13:38.25ImpyDroid2So the opposite of capitalist
13:38.32Monetdamn-near, sorry.
13:38.39OluapPlayerImagine a bear chucking coal at people
13:38.54HachimanBut New Year is a time for parties and heavy drinking and celebration over here
13:38.58HachimanStill capitalist stuff
13:39.06ImpyDroid2Hachiman: We do both
13:39.14ImpyDroid2We exchange presents
13:39.17ImpyDroid2Then we drink
13:39.27MonetHachiman: Parties and heavy drinking to celebrate predate capitalism though.
13:39.51ImpyDroid2If drinking was capitalist the Soviet Union would collapse very quickly
13:40.35ImpyDroid2Anyway since we talk about Christmas and Christmas substitutes here are our traditions
13:40.46HachimanCykamas
13:40.51MonetI have a family tradition where I watch the new-year fireworks on TV then celebrate with a drink.
13:40.52HachimanFucking kek
13:40.59Hachiman"Here are our traditions"
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13:41.36Wormy_drom, Technobliterator:  The Manga Guide to Databases has arrived.  I am now an official weaboo
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13:41.58ImpyDroidhttp://www.zagadochnaya-sila.ru/images/stories/picture/snegurochka/snegurochka_3.jpg First things first, a female Santa
13:42.15MonetOluapPLayer: Actually looking at Krampus pictures, that basket of heres seems to be another common element
13:42.49dromWormy_: Pic or it didn't happen!
13:42.59OluapPlayerProbably something like "be naughty and Krampus will put you on his basket and take you away"
13:43.21OluapPlayerNot the first time I've heard of something of this nature
13:43.34MonetKrampus - Merry christmas.        Basket. Now.
13:43.43OluapPlayerBack when I was little I remember being told to be nice or the "bag man" would take me away
13:44.03Wormy_drom; https://www.nostarch.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/mg_databases_big.png  http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jjk488/media/2438-japantrainweeaboo_zps517a3191.jpg.html
13:44.08dromBut anyway. Wormy_ Technobliterator: That reminds me, I've bought two German calculators and a mathematic formulary, for German engineers.
13:44.08MonetThe sudden realisation that Mortium visits naughty kids.
13:44.32OluapPlayerMortium - GET IN THE BAG, THERE'S CANDY INSIDE
13:44.40OluapPlayergrim reaper confirmed sex offender
13:45.37Monethttp://www.truthsayer.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/krampus_book_2.jpg what about this girl
13:46.09OluapPlayerGirl on her knees is praying Krampus just takes the annoying crying bitch away
13:47.02Wormy_Christmas Time in Hell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mopbW85bpuc
13:47.21Monethttp://www.truthsayer.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/xekrdo10.jpg Apparently Santa in Bavaria wears a pope hat.
13:47.51OluapPlayerPontiff Claus and the Krampus Squad
13:48.18HachimanPontiff Nicolas and his elite guard of sanctioned daemons
13:48.32OluapPlayerThat sounds cooler
13:48.58ImpyDroidHachiman: Somewhere Ordo Malleus is crying
13:49.06Monethttp://www.truthsayer.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/41-682x1024.jpg Pope Santa confirmed
13:49.27HachimanKrampus' fucking face
13:49.52MonetFunnily enough yes, I think in Bavaria Krampus and Santa work together.
13:50.20MonetSanta hands out gifts to good and pious children while Krampus tortures the naughty children.
13:51.11OluapPlayerYeah I think that's how it works
13:55.54MonetI think I prefer Claus' Germanic interpretation. He looks a lot more saintly
13:56.13HachimanSanta Claus is ultimate red mage
13:57.07Wormy_I did hear Santa did land on my roof once
13:59.26MonetI kind of liked that episode where Stewie and Brian go to the north pole to find a desolate dystopia of soulless inbred elves man-eating reindeer because of how demanding christmas has become for St. Nick.
13:59.59Wormy_I like the South Park chrisymas episodes
14:02.55MonetConsider these days everyone orders the latest thing for Christmas - does Santa have a secret backdoor to every tech company on the planet?
14:04.42MonetI feel sorry for any modern North Pole workshop.
14:09.15MonetActually there's an idea
14:10.45MonetIf/when I have kids, I might tell them that Santa can fill all the orders by outsourcing all the manufacturing. The elves manage what comes in and out of Santa's Runway and load up his sleigh.
14:13.37Wormy_bbl
14:17.54Monetbbl
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14:35.01DrodoEmpireHi everyone
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14:37.52GhelaeHello.
14:43.56Tek0516Hello
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14:56.51DrodoEmpireHi
14:57.10MonetOh-kay I just saw a clip that demosntrates in a couple of second how silly/dumb the Trade Federation battle droids are.
14:57.56DrodoEmpirehur
14:58.30MonetA squad of droids: One says "Greetings", most of them get shot and the droid that survives runs around with its arms flailing going "Aaahhh oh my go-" and gets crushed by an AT-TE's foot.
14:58.53MonetAT AT sorry
14:59.47DrodoEmpireolol
15:00.15MonetI didn't think it was possible to top "Coruscant Uhh that does not compute, wait uhh... you're under arrest!"
15:02.10MonetOn a more positive note, it's probably part of the long-established image that Droids in Star Wars are a lot like people, only metal.
15:02.23ImperiosMonet: So one of my groupmates said she's failed her Latin test and is probably going to drink her sorrows aways
15:02.45Imperios...Do you think it was right of me to respond to that with "In vino veritas"?
15:03.11MonetWell...how did she take it?
15:04.24ImperiosShe did not respond yet
15:04.57MonetI'd say it's quite a British response.
15:05.30MonetBut (and this might be tricky) the best course of her is encouragement that failing this one test is not the end of the world.
15:05.53MonetIf she feels confident in speaking and understanding Latin, then she didn't fail right?.
15:11.17ImperiosShe's not a nerdy kind of girl hur
15:11.21ImperiosShe does not even care about Latin that much
15:13.39ImperiosHalf of the girls are like "WHY THE FUCK DO WE EVEN NEED IT WE ARE FUCKING PROGRAMMERS"
15:14.00ImperiosI think I was the only person who actually liked the course
15:16.21ImperiosMonet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoyGNJQIviA
15:25.49MonetI heard a joke about how schoolboys here in the UK used to have a chant about their distaste for Latin
15:25.59Monet"Latin is a language / Dead as dead can be / First it killed the Romans / Now it's killing me"
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15:32.09MonetImperios: If you want to mess with those girls tell them this: In UK private schools, learning Latin used to be and in some places still is part of the required curriculum.
15:32.39MonetAnd that to get into Oxford requires a functional knowledge of Latin.
15:32.40The_RandomnessHello
15:32.43MonetHi
15:34.55MonetActually there's something that bothers me over here.
15:36.07MonetWhen we learn about the Roman Empire over here the general education is Pax Romana, the size of the empire, then what Roman Britain was like.
15:36.32MonetIf you want a full understanding research yourself or g oto university
15:38.01MonetAll anyone knows about emperor Hadrian is he built this big wall on the border with Scotland. I don't even recall being taught that the Romans called it Caledonia.
15:38.53Tek0516The most we really do pre-Columbus here is an idealized view of the mediaeval era, I don't even remember if we do Rome.
15:39.33DrodoEmpireEhh
15:39.56DrodoEmpireBefore high school its basically all about the world wars and post-columbian Canada
15:40.21MonetI think a number of students over here learn more about the greater empire in Religious Studies than they do in history.
15:40.24DrodoEmpireAnd some pre-columbian, usually the origins of whichever First Nations group is local to the region
15:41.07MonetAs great as the UK has been post-Rome, back then it was largely considered some far off province on the edge of the world.
15:41.08DrodoEmpireHowever there's a pretty detailed ancient history course if one takes pre-IB history, at least in NS
15:42.43MonetI don't think it was ever touched that Rome had been arguably the largest city in -history- until the Industrial Revolution.
15:42.54Tek0516Ours does at least did give a broad overview of Canadian history pre-confederation but it was all explorers, pioneers, apologizing for natives, and stealing land from France.
15:43.30MonetActually that's a peculiarity
15:44.50MonetWhen I did history we jumped from the industrial revolution to WWI - almost completely glossing over Napoleon.
15:45.30MonetGranted passing knowledge of Waterloo and Trafalgar is almost required for any decent British citizen. Other than that, zip.
15:46.03Tek0516Actually despite being a British colony we say almost nothing about Britain except I guess that they had a monarchy.
15:47.42MonetIf I ever taught about the battle of Teutoburg Forest, I'd make sure to at least act out Augustus crying out "Varrus, O, Quintillus Varrus, give me back my Legions!"
15:47.46Tek0516I think our history class does just go explorers, pioneers, oppressing Quebec, confederation, then a Canadian view of the 20th Century in high school. Then you're done.
15:49.20MonetIt's a bit worrying because that means the primary image people get of the Roman Empire is what they see in Spartacus, Gladiator and the like.
15:50.38MonetOr Ryse: Son of Rome.
15:52.13MonetThank you popular culture for teaching us that there was no way the Flavian Ampitheatre could have been built on top of Nero's palace like history says it was.
15:55.11MonetOr they simply cut out that After the great fire Nero used the cleared land to build possibly one of the greatest house-shaped examples of penis compensation before the rise of the post-medieval mansion estates.
15:55.36MonetThis is why I love history.
15:57.40MonetSome events were jsut bonkers
15:59.28The_Randomnessyeah
16:00.08The_RandomnessSomething that will never cease to amaze me is just how many coincidences lead to WWI happening
16:01.44MonetYeah
16:03.00MonetAs far as I can recall while I was fortunate to have a teacher who delved into the frankly byzantine chain of events that led to WWI, the summary I see is "Franz Ferdinand was shot, Germany invaded Belgium and Britain joined in"
16:03.19Monetwell, that I see elsewhere
16:04.07The_RandomnessExtra History has a nice little series on that stuff titled "The Seminal Tragedy"
16:05.38MonetLike IIRC England only got involved because Germany understood that crossing the *heavily* Franco-German border was suicide, so crossed though Belgium. Belgium, believing they were being invaded, Belgium had a pact with Britain where if they were ever invaded, Britian would come to their aid.
16:08.42MonetFranz Ferdinand was killed by Serbian nationalists who wanted independence from the Austro-Hungarian Empire unfortunately their target was poorly chosen as Ferdinand was (I think) a moderate advocate for Serbian independence.
16:09.41The_Randomnesshe had a number of attempts on his life by this group iirc
16:10.47The_RandomnessThey went horribly wrong, but then he happened to drive in front of one of the few remaining members of the group of people that was trying to kill him
16:13.29MonetOnce Germany and Britain were at war, the simmering situation in the Middle-East spilled over as both sides competed for dominance over the region's resources.
16:18.21MonetBut then the Ottomans invaded the Black Sea, shit hit the fan as at the time Russia had an entente with Imperial Russia.
16:18.40MonetSorry Russia had an entente with England
16:19.46MonetIt was a very big shit travelling at supersonic speeds towards a very big fan.
16:40.11ImperiosMonet: http://i.imgur.com/qp8FP.jpg
16:40.44Tek0516http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-room
16:43.15DrodoEmpireayy lmao
16:43.51The_RandomnessThis reminds me of the issues Tolkien had with his orcs
16:44.08The_Randomnessi.e. the thought that they may be irredeemable disturbed him
16:44.50Monet"Twisted and debased elves corrupted to the point where they are unrecognisable" So...Tolkien Orcs are Dark Eldar?
16:45.29ImperiosWell they do like to torture people
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17:36.49JepardiHi
18:01.53ImperiosGhelae: https://68.media.tumblr.com/b834551ca369ddfb0e5e1e9b9c29f7c6/tumblr_oildvcKcNT1r5081wo1_1280.jpg Saw this on Tumblr, do people really get angry in UK when people do not speak English around them?
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18:04.30GhelaeImperios: Presumably, but I've never seen it happen.
18:05.34DrodoEmpireBack >.<
18:05.40GhelaeAt the University of Nottingham, you can easily walk across campus and hear a dozen conversations each in a different language, so if anybody got angry about it there they wouldn't last long.
18:05.43Ghelae~give DrodoEmpire a cookie
18:05.43infobotACTION gives DrodoEmpire a home-baked macadamia nut cookie to cheer him up.
18:06.00DrodoEmpireyey
18:07.49Imperios>mentioned social justice
18:07.52Imperios>Drodo logs in
18:08.04ImperiosJoin me in vanquishing the evil forces of Tumblr
18:08.21GhelaeI can, however, imagine that the people who thought the Brexit vote justified telling Nth-generation Asian immigrants to go back to their family's country of origin, would also be the kind of people to complain about them not speaking English to each other.
18:08.41DrodoEmpirehur
18:09.45ImperiosGhelae: This post however shows white people in Asia that are presumably tourists
18:09.50ImperiosRather than migrants
18:12.17GhelaeI mean the sort of people who tell Asians "we voted to leave the EU so go back to where you came from" are probably the sort of people to tell them to speak English. They might still like to go on holiday to e.g. India and speak English there.
18:29.27ImperiosGhelae: I thought these fellas do not limit themselves to Asians
18:29.38Imperiosdid not even
18:31.38ImperiosDrodoEmpire: http://68.media.tumblr.com/97b52e923d57e15b65ec7fd1cf1c3cec/tumblr_oill06F1tG1uis797o1_1280.jpg Well
18:31.41ImperiosNot sure how to react to that
18:32.12DrodoEmpireoh dear
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18:38.12DrodoEmpireHi
18:38.30The_RandomnessHello
18:42.04Monethi
18:42.36Imperioshi
18:44.21GhelaeImperios: No, there's no limit. I just used it as an example given that it was the example given in the picture.
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19:58.25Luxoroh, quite desolate.
19:59.05ImperiosHi
20:03.35Imperioshttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/ca/Masaari_Crusade_Symbol.png/revision/latest?cb=20161222200320 Did some sigil
20:08.59Luxorlovely
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20:50.29ImperiosHI OP
20:51.46OluapPlayerHi
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21:00.25DrodoEmpireHi
21:02.39dromOh hello!
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21:02.54NeonPandahi all
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21:03.48dromOr if I should just paint all over it and practice using palettes and shading
21:04.36GD12hey!
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21:08.14dromTek0516 Technobliterator: Gotta love reverse engineering file formats.
21:08.43Tek0516O.o
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21:12.03Wormy_Had a look at some normalisation problems today, and brain switched off
21:12.21Tek0516Lol
21:12.34Tek0516Wormy_: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-room
21:13.32Wormy_hur
21:21.33Wormy_DrodoEmpire: Another prison riot https://twitter.com/search?q=%22HMP%20Swaleside%22&src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A812019760590245888
21:21.53DrodoEmpireJeez
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21:26.26DrodoEmpireAh I need to get ready to go somewhere
21:26.39DrodoEmpireSo I'll either be gone or on like a phone for a few hours at least
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21:33.25GD12hello
21:33.41Tek0516So apparently the demonym for someone from Vienna is Wiener. XD
21:34.04ImperiosTek0516: That's why the sausages are called wieners
21:34.08ImperiosBecause they're from Vienna
21:34.15ImperiosWieners like their weinersw
21:36.05Tek0516Yeah.
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22:05.32NeonPandahi random
22:05.58The_RandomnessHello
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22:13.11ImperiosWormy_: Did the old SSA have some sort of "key member council"?
22:13.29ImperiosLike the UN Security Council
22:14.31Wormy_I don't know, in The Great Expedition prologue I hinted at a difference of members and observers
22:40.18ImperiosWormy_: Do you have the War of Ages Titanpad?
22:45.42Wormy_I don't, sorry
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23:07.42Liquid_InkHello
23:22.52NeonPanda"Legate van Hydrus, you are sentenced to death for the charges of being a whiny bitch, and not being as cool as van Baelsar!" - person in my dungeon party rn
23:23.22The_Randomnesslol
23:24.20Tek0516I'm finishing up a chapter of the Roreinian Civil War
23:27.22ImperiosNeonPanda: Dutch Legates?
23:27.35NeonPandafantasy magitech roman wanabes
23:28.18ImperiosOluapPlayer Monet Wormy_: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Masaari_Crusade Hooray, another historical fiction done
23:29.44OluapPlayerIs it meant to have no sections?
23:30.36ImperiosYes
23:30.59OluapPlayerRight
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23:34.24Tek0516Hey Charles
23:34.55Charles_Murray_Hey
23:35.00ImperiosCharles_Murray_: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Masaari_Crusade Some historical stuff
23:35.02Wormy_Imperios:  good work
23:35.06ImperiosQuotes pz
23:35.07Imperiosplz
23:35.12Tek0516Ooh, Steam winter sale started
23:35.16ImperiosEspecially all the old people
23:35.21Imperios~poke Liquid_Ink
23:35.21infobotACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Liquid_Ink, pokes Liquid_Ink repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
23:35.33Charles_Murray_I love the emblem
23:35.37ImperiosYou're literally the only people old enough to have interacted with this fic to leave quotes
23:35.49Liquid_InkI'll quote later
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23:37.19Monet2Tel: currently fighting a Prussian-Swedish war
23:37.50Monet2I'm Prussia and my flag currently flies over Stockholm
23:38.36OluapPlayerI can't think of any quotes right now, perhaps later
23:41.20ImpyDroidLiquid_Ink: http://amgeul.tumblr.com/image/154812384651
23:41.30ImpyDroid>tfw when
23:41.43Liquid_Inklol
23:42.32ImpyDroidI saw some girl post it on Tumblr and complain about how racist it is
23:42.42ImpyDroidI just think it is a bit cute and creepy at the same
23:51.02ImpyDroidLiquid_Ink: https://68.media.tumblr.com/65dbe124c7637a0ddc24f376caa417af/tumblr_messaging_oilf3iq5Xt1s0el98_1280.jpg The Russian Libertarian Party
23:51.11ImpyDroidTranslate the text
23:54.46Liquid_Ink"do not go fucking bitch fucking moron" ?
23:55.38ImpyDroid"Do not get close"
23:55.44Liquid_InkOh
23:56.02Liquid_InkGoogle translate is feeling grouchy today, then
23:56.15Liquid_Ink"Do not get close" to voting for them.
23:56.58ImpyDroidThere should be more parodies  of the Gadsden flag like that
23:57.02ImpyDroidImagine the Australian one

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