| 00:00.04 | Tek0516 | These "factions" are extremely loose though. Anyone can join and leave freely, there's no leadership (not real people at least), no central communications besides a bunch of subreddits. |
| 00:00.13 | NeonPanda | so I was just like "I quit" and half the clan quit with me, including all the actually good people, so the faction died |
| 00:00.47 | NeonPanda | Tek0516: I can see many ways in which this system can end in pain for those involved |
| 00:00.56 | Tek0516 | Yep. |
| 00:01.40 | Tek0516 | And also the mechanics are heavily grinding based, with the easiest grinding usually not being what we want and many grinders having no idea about this communication and strategizing. |
| 00:02.22 | NeonPanda | mhm, you see that a lot when there's no real structure |
| 00:03.03 | NeonPanda | in some games I've often worked with "enemy" factions because I'm able to actually communicate with the competent people on their side, and can organise things |
| 00:03.40 | Tek0516 | For example each system has a profit based on its location, and a fixed maintenance cost. What happens is that most systems actually end up losing points and you have to intentionally sabatoge your own faction to make yourself stronger, something easily missed by the unaware. |
| 00:04.36 | NeonPanda | huh, interesting |
| 00:05.50 | NeonPanda | ArcheAge had a system of trade packs wherein the further you took a trade pack (they could only be created in very specific locations and turned in in other, specific locations) the more it was worth, so to really maximise profits and get some rare goods you either had to have pirate friends, other faction friends, or balls the size of planets |
| 00:06.05 | NeonPanda | my guild had all three |
| 00:06.08 | Tek0516 | I remember my power spent months having our allies intentionally attack us just so we could get rid of stuff that just left us in a terrible position and get better ones instead. |
| 00:07.53 | NeonPanda | alrighty, I have to go |
| 00:16.34 | Tek0516 | One thing kind of disappointing is that there is a whole fancy Sol system, but you need to grind for the Federation (enemy side for me) to visit it. >.> |
| 00:18.59 | Tek0516 | "Loitering is a crime punishable by death". E:D can certainly be brutal in its punishments. XD |
| 00:39.02 | Tybusen | Cyrannian or Technobliterator or The_Randomness: you're admins, can you do something about this anon who's spamming the forums |
| 00:39.24 | The_Randomness | I'm busy atm, otherwise I'd lay down the law on the pleb |
| 00:46.33 | Technobliterator | done |
| 00:46.50 | Tybusen | Danke Jo |
| 00:50.18 | Tek0516 | ...what the f***? O.o |
| 00:57.39 | DrodoEmpire | Who the fuck even is this spammer >. |
| 00:57.41 | DrodoEmpire | *>.< |
| 00:57.54 | Tybusen | Apparently they've been here before |
| 00:57.55 | DrodoEmpire | He just goes on weird rambles on every thread he comes across |
| 00:58.15 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, he referred to a 'LivingUranium' account he had before it was hacked(?) |
| 00:58.30 | DrodoEmpire | I can't find any LivingUranium that was on this wiki |
| 01:29.53 | Monet | "Food beyond compare | Food beyond Belief | Mix it all together and pretend it's beef" - a line fro m2012's Les Miserables which sounds very charmingly 19th century. |
| 01:30.18 | Charles_Bot | I performed that song once |
| 01:30.25 | Charles_Bot | In front of a live audience |
| 01:30.43 | Charles_Bot | Had to improvise lines because my partner forgot hers xD |
| 01:30.50 | Charles_Bot | Never doing that again |
| 01:30.51 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.180.214.253?limit=250&target=69.180.214.253 His edit history certainly shows this isn't the first time |
| 01:30.52 | Monet | "Kidney of a horse, liver of a cat, filling up the sausages with this-and-that" |
| 01:31.34 | DrodoEmpire | Charles_Bot: olol |
| 01:31.45 | Charles_Bot | "Master of the House, keeper of the zoo! Ready to relieve you of a sou or two!" |
| 01:31.45 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, seems so Tek |
| 01:32.10 | Monet | One of the things I recall from a documentary on Victorian confectionary was they used to contain such exquisite ingredients as spider's eggs and chalk. |
| 01:32.38 | Monet | Various bits of crushed up insect and possibly sawdust. |
| 01:34.31 | Monet | Charles_Bot: Over here the school play tradition includes stuff like Oliver Twist. |
| 01:35.29 | Monet | I remember watching a performance and rather fondly remember the teacher who played Bill Sykes. |
| 01:36.48 | Monet | Who happened to be quite tall, well-built, and was known across the school for being quite tough on misbehaviour. |
| 01:46.02 | Monet | http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/97221552636136686/68A053503850F484321F0240766F9BECF821BD43/ I found this reference inside AC: Unity |
| 01:50.07 | Monet | The revolution was in 1789 while Les Mis started in 1815. WHich if I have my history right means Jean Valjean was captures in 1796 |
| 01:59.10 | Monet | Imp and I have tried creating an opera performance in the fictionverse http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AThe_Shattering/Shadows_of_the_Melody#A_Show_and_Dinner |
| 02:01.47 | Monet | Unfortunately complications meant the world lost the opportunity to see a bunch of space dragons performing the alien equivalent of Gilbert and Sullivan. |
| 02:08.30 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 02:31.15 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:39.47 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 02:43.14 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.38 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 02:44.36 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.46 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:47.49 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 02:48.06 | Monet | hi |
| 02:48.16 | The_Randomness | wb |
| 02:49.03 | Monet | goodnight |
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| 11:28.43 | dino82_ | hi |
| 11:29.01 | Liquid_Ink | Hello! |
| 11:31.10 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 11:36.04 | dino82_ | Hi! |
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| 11:38.10 | dino82_ | hi |
| 11:38.17 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 11:41.05 | Monet | hi |
| 11:43.51 | Ghel | Hi |
| 11:45.43 | dino82_ | Saw Rogue One yesterday |
| 11:45.47 | dino82_ | what an amazing movie |
| 11:45.50 | dino82_ | lots of action :d |
| 11:45.55 | dino82_ | Are you guys going to see it as wlel? |
| 11:46.59 | Monet | I am. |
| 11:48.08 | Liquid_Ink | Yes |
| 11:55.52 | dino82_ | Neat! |
| 11:55.53 | dino82_ | I like it a lot |
| 11:55.56 | dino82_ | lots of action :D |
| 11:59.56 | dino82_ | Sad to read Xho's isleaving |
| 12:04.15 | Monet | I'm taking it with a grain of salt. It could be he 's just not feeling that positive. |
| 12:05.30 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.28 | dino82_ | oh ok |
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| 12:20.27 | dino82_ | hi |
| 12:20.29 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:213478 Oh god the classic "Zealots kept pestering you" problem |
| 12:20.33 | Imperios | Hi everyone |
| 12:20.42 | Imperios | *keep pestering me |
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| 12:21.19 | Groxkiller98 | Heya. |
| 12:21.45 | Imperios | Hiya |
| 12:22.48 | Groxkiller98 | I uploaded a pic of the Dakasha Station's interior yesterday. |
| 12:23.21 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dakasha_Station_Interior.png Thoughts? |
| 12:28.50 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: You're replying to a 6 month old post |
| 12:29.05 | Imperios | Wait, why did it show up? |
| 12:29.26 | OluapPlayer | A spammer showed up yesterday and revived a bunch of old threads |
| 12:30.30 | Groxkiller98 | >_> |
| 13:11.55 | dino82_ | naice grox! |
| 13:11.58 | dino82_ | Looks peaceful1 |
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| 13:14.31 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 13:14.37 | Imperios | Monet OluapPlayer: https://2ch.hk/po/src/19844496/14819728468230.jpg That fucking cover art |
| 13:15.01 | Monet | lol |
| 13:15.03 | OluapPlayer | wot |
| 13:15.40 | Imperios | Look at the sword |
| 13:15.48 | Imperios | And the "king's" face |
| 13:17.01 | OluapPlayer | I got the joke |
| 13:17.07 | OluapPlayer | It's still wot-worthy |
| 13:17.07 | Monet | Associating communism with Satanism might be a bit much. |
| 13:17.21 | Monet | Actually it doesn't make that much sense. |
| 13:18.13 | Monet | Though if that's meant to be Satanism the pentagram is pointing the wrong fucking way. |
| 13:18.26 | Imperios | Monet: Considering this is a Russian work, Stalin is likely the good guy here |
| 13:18.47 | Monet | Butbut deemuns. |
| 13:19.12 | Imperios | This was probably meant to invoke the Red Star rather then Satanism |
| 13:19.16 | Monet | What's the book's title? |
| 13:19.21 | Imperios | Besides the pentagram can be a good sign |
| 13:19.23 | Imperios | "The Red Overlod" |
| 13:19.25 | Imperios | *Overlord |
| 13:20.43 | Monet | Imperios: In the old days it was a protective ward, yeah. |
| 13:21.10 | Monet | If you want it to be satanic or invoking evil, point it down towards Hell, not up towards the heavens. |
| 13:22.28 | Imperios | As I said it's probably a play on the communist red star |
| 13:22.43 | Imperios | Which can actuallly be pointed downwards too |
| 13:23.13 | Monet | It's possible |
| 13:23.53 | Imperios | http://ordenrf.ru/upload/nagrady/orden-krasnoe-znamya-rsfsr-2.jpg For example |
| 13:24.50 | Monet | I was tempted towards the pagan/satanic answer because the chair it is drawn on is covered in horns, spikes and demon heads. |
| 13:25.51 | Monet | The only non-evil throne I can think of that is similarly brutal-looking is the Iron Throne. |
| 13:27.18 | Monet | And that's in part because its creator was a Targaryen. |
| 13:28.28 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/katietiedrich/comic488_zpskuzxtiqn.png >Capturing enemy bases mostly seems to be mildly inconveniencing the enemy, shouting "I WIN", and then running away while they effortlessly rebuild to the status quo. I'm not sure the game and I share the same definition of "capture." |
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| 13:32.18 | Wormy_ | Hi |
| 13:32.39 | Monet | hi |
| 13:33.08 | Wormy_ | I geek out at the sound of this drill firing up http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38324177?SThisFB |
| 13:33.14 | Monet | Imperios: I can't see much indication (but it could be cultural dissonance) that Stalin is a good guy in that book |
| 13:34.32 | Monet | Satanic decoration, the guy slouching, and the use of the word "overlord" |
| 13:39.45 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: I think he's supposed to be an anti-villain protagonist or something |
| 13:46.20 | DanzaDelMondo | I am actually going to read this |
| 13:46.59 | Monet | Not stopping you. |
| 13:49.41 | DanzaDelMondo | Yeah Stalin's supposed to be an anti-villain here or something |
| 14:04.47 | Wormy_ | I had nerdgasms looking at the galactic news and galactic map on ED last night |
| 14:05.11 | Wormy_ | Felt like I was in a universe I need to learn and develop in |
| 14:05.31 | Wormy_ | However, I can barely pilot my craft |
| 14:12.50 | Monet | ED is very much tailored for joystick piloting. |
| 14:25.23 | Wormy_ | Family Guy Irish Heritage Museum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lJbpVmyKgo |
| 14:27.31 | Monet | So...was Ireland the original Atlantis? |
| 14:28.49 | Wormy_ | Luck of the Irish |
| 14:31.10 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.22 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: Except they drowned in a more pleasant liquid |
| 14:36.44 | Monet | Brings a whole new perspective to the line "when the oceans drank Atlantis" |
| 14:40.05 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: Yeah, I dug up an old joystick to play and it changed everything. |
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| 14:55.27 | Monet | Hello |
| 14:57.04 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 15:00.24 | Charles_Bot | Hey |
| 15:28.42 | dino82_ | hi |
| 16:22.38 | DanzaDelMondo | Wormy_ Ghel: I am currently describing an ice world for Borealis War and I am wondering what kind of foliage could there be on such a planet |
| 16:22.53 | DanzaDelMondo | *plants |
| 16:23.29 | DanzaDelMondo | Let's say there are regions on this planet where the weather is warm enough for trees to grow. How could they adapt to the cold and probably the low amounts of sunlight? |
| 16:26.00 | Ghel | There might be other ways, but the same ways that are used on Earth would most likely exist. |
| 16:26.59 | DanzaDelMondo | Oh well |
| 16:27.02 | Ghel | They need to conserve liquid water, so they keep their leaves as thin needles, for example. |
| 16:27.09 | DanzaDelMondo | Just going to describe a big coniferous forest then |
| 16:27.42 | Ghel | If you want trees, that's pretty much what you'd get. |
| 16:30.08 | Ghel | When it comes to the cold, there's not much plants can do about conserving heat, since - especially in an environment where energy is scarce - they can't go about generating their own. |
| 16:31.37 | DanzaDelMondo | Charles_Bot DrodoEmpire: https://i.redd.it/sdxhqa6ynv3y.jpg Ukrainians made a greater coat of arms for themselves |
| 16:31.58 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 16:39.09 | DanzaDelMondo | Lion and cossack guy |
| 16:54.15 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 16:55.04 | DrodoEmpire | Well, I'd guess maybe a Strelet (streletsy?) |
| 16:55.43 | DrodoEmpire | *Streltsy rather |
| 16:58.30 | DanzaDelMondo | No that's a cossack |
| 16:58.37 | DanzaDelMondo | Streltsy are a Russian thing |
| 17:04.35 | DrodoEmpire | Eh alright |
| 17:37.26 | Technobliterator | OluapPlayer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3oeKdQnLbo |
| 17:38.43 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: kek that Luigi part |
| 17:38.48 | Technobliterator | 8D |
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| 17:43.12 | Monet | Evening |
| 17:43.30 | Xho | Hi |
| 17:52.49 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Wow you actually did remove the Kicath from Borealis |
| 17:53.03 | OluapPlayer | You removed them from fiction |
| 17:53.08 | OluapPlayer | I had to fill the void you left |
| 17:53.09 | Xho | Good point |
| 17:53.25 | OluapPlayer | Plus to be honest the Kicath don't really fit the PCA anymore |
| 17:53.38 | Xho | They don't really fit full stop |
| 17:54.21 | Xho | I don't know if they'll ever be active again |
| 17:54.31 | Xho | Probably not |
| 17:55.08 | Xho | If that's the case you should make the Kondrakar separate from the Dominion so you can use Maknagrius |
| 17:55.42 | OluapPlayer | I'll just make him serve the Corruptus instead |
| 17:55.48 | Xho | Or that |
| 17:56.05 | Xho | I'm probably going to move the Dominion into Tuuros and have smaller turfs everywhere else |
| 17:56.18 | Xho | Or remove them altogether |
| 17:57.12 | Technobliterator | I think basing them in Tuuros makes most sense |
| 17:57.23 | Xho | It does |
| 17:58.29 | Xho | I've come to the decision that the Fantasyverse stuff is going to stay |
| 17:58.37 | Xho | Although I will remove things that aren't needed |
| 17:59.23 | Xho | The Fantasyverse stuff isn't a jumbled mess but some of it is unnecessary |
| 18:03.10 | Xho | Well, Nihil's Destined and the Skaurovirn are unnecessary |
| 18:04.10 | Xho | Order of the Black Sun, well I like them but I dunno if they're needed |
| 18:04.18 | Xho | I can't think of any more stories they could be used in |
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| 18:04.25 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 18:05.07 | Monet | hello |
| 18:05.53 | Monet | Xho: Maybe the Kicath work better as ancients past their prime. |
| 18:06.03 | Xho | Hm perhaps |
| 18:07.32 | Monet | Sometimes a nation experiences circumstances where it just cannot compete with its contemporaries. |
| 18:08.07 | Xho | I could create a new civilisation to interact with but they'll go down the same route as the Kicath really |
| 18:08.13 | Xho | Incomplete and messed up |
| 18:08.53 | Xho | Worldbuilding Tuuros is probably my best bet but that will cause fiction suicide |
| 18:10.12 | Xho | I need anti-depressants really but there you go |
| 18:11.25 | Monet | Well there's always working out how you might have stumbled with the Kicath. |
| 18:11.33 | Xho | Well I know that already |
| 18:11.47 | Xho | I turned them into a Tier 1 hyperpower with no area for access |
| 18:11.54 | Xho | Like everything else I did |
| 18:12.45 | Monet | I imagine it's a comfort zone to be a T1 hyperpower. |
| 18:12.52 | Xho | Pretty much |
| 18:13.07 | Xho | My mistake was to focus on the Kicath and not the Dominion |
| 18:13.33 | Xho | Great now I'm thinking the Dominion should stay as it is |
| 18:13.36 | Monet | Well while it might not be comfortable there is challenging the safety of the comfort zone. |
| 18:13.37 | Xho | god help my brain now |
| 18:14.02 | Xho | I have an idea |
| 18:14.14 | Monet | Okay. |
| 18:14.21 | dino82_ | Xho! |
| 18:14.51 | Xho | OluapPlayer DanzaDelMondo: What if the Dominion was a political alliance of abominations under the Xhodocto's service but they're all politcally autonomous |
| 18:14.59 | Xho | So separate states in accordance with one another |
| 18:15.00 | DanzaDelMondo | Would make sense |
| 18:15.10 | OluapPlayer | Isn't that already the case? |
| 18:15.23 | Xho | Well the page implies they're one massive civilisation |
| 18:15.38 | Xho | I mean properly splitting them up into smaller states and then call their alliance the Dominion instead |
| 18:15.46 | OluapPlayer | Right |
| 18:15.52 | Monet | That could work |
| 18:16.06 | OluapPlayer | The demon forces that serve it always had their own agendas |
| 18:16.10 | Monet | Their cohesion could depend on how willing to work together the Circle of Divine Eyes are. |
| 18:16.10 | OluapPlayer | Corruptus and Mali'Nar especially |
| 18:17.01 | Xho | Good point |
| 18:17.08 | Xho | It makes more sense for them to be separate then |
| 18:18.06 | Xho | That way the Dominion might be able to split into two or so territories in Andromeda |
| 18:19.59 | Monet | I'm going to spoil a little as I have yet to put the related section but Marigrax once promised Arsac could live an eternity of endless nloody slaughter. |
| 18:20.39 | OluapPlayer | The plot of the Borealis War isn't exactly hidden |
| 18:21.28 | OluapPlayer | Speaking of which, continue crusade pls |
| 18:21.39 | Monet | I finally have tiem for fiction now |
| 18:22.05 | Xho | Hm this idea of having Hez' own faction again makes me somewhat motivated |
| 18:22.21 | DanzaDelMondo | OluapPlayer: Working on it |
| 18:22.53 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: https://pp.vk.me/c837434/v837434196/26f2/rLLkOknzUUs.jpg |
| 18:22.56 | Monet | So whether or not there could be...tension between the various Dominion factions over which way of worshipping the Xhodocto the right one could be a thing. |
| 18:23.08 | Xho | DanzaDelMondo: wow |
| 18:23.28 | Xho | Well they themselves probably have different worshippers |
| 18:23.40 | Xho | If Maknagrius is part of the Corruptus now he wouldn't serve the Xhodocto |
| 18:24.20 | Xho | The Xhodocto don't tell the Corruptus what to do |
| 18:24.26 | OluapPlayer | The Corruptus believe in domination rather than annihilation so by default they'd be allies with the Dominion purely because a Xhodocto Eye created them |
| 18:24.51 | OluapPlayer | Not because they like the other demons |
| 18:25.08 | Xho | As for whatever Hez' faction is called (Cult of the Deathmarch is off-limits) which favour annihilation over domination then alliances only work until a point |
| 18:25.46 | Monet | That's what made me consider the possibility of tension. |
| 18:26.01 | Xho | As for the rest of the Circle of the Divine Eyes I don't know if they'll have their own territories |
| 18:26.09 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: You want a pretentious name or a normal |
| 18:26.10 | DanzaDelMondo | name |
| 18:26.17 | Xho | Pretentious would make more sense |
| 18:27.57 | Xho | More ideas concerning the Kicath actually |
| 18:28.27 | Xho | I could replace the Kicath with another species and the Kicath will be ancients as a part of the same republic |
| 18:29.41 | Xho | Or perhaps remove the Kicath from that republic and make them an ancient/dying race instead |
| 18:29.46 | Xho | Or both |
| 18:29.48 | Xho | Help me out here |
| 18:31.14 | Monet | Hmm. they could be made as Ancients |
| 18:31.30 | Xho | I could replace the Kicath with |
| 18:31.32 | Xho | wait for it |
| 18:31.34 | Xho | The Naxridon |
| 18:31.36 | Monet | Maybe there's been more than one Kicath Empire though out history? |
| 18:32.02 | Xho | Perhaps |
| 18:32.32 | Xho | I could say the Kicath were brought to the precipice of destruction by the Congregation 20,000 years ago |
| 18:32.50 | Xho | And just lived on as a slowly dying out race since |
| 18:33.02 | Monet | That could have made them rare. |
| 18:33.34 | Monet | One of the drawbacks to high education and high quality of life appears to be a reduced birth rate. |
| 18:34.20 | Xho | I could replace the Kicath with the Naxridon or a multitude of species |
| 18:35.48 | Monet | The Naxridon could be one of the most prominent. |
| 18:36.38 | Xho | jm |
| 18:36.44 | Xho | hm even |
| 18:38.10 | Xho | I dunno |
| 18:38.15 | Xho | For now I'll keep them totally inactive |
| 18:39.05 | Monet | I'd say give some time for thoughts to form. |
| 18:39.17 | Xho | Thoughts form quickly |
| 18:39.23 | Xho | Actually wanting to act on them doesn't |
| 18:40.02 | Monet | That's where being given the occasional push could come in. |
| 18:42.14 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: I have an idea |
| 18:42.31 | DanzaDelMondo | Make Kicathland some sort of Space Austria-Hungary |
| 18:42.42 | DanzaDelMondo | Torn apart and very multiethnic |
| 18:42.54 | Xho | I dunno |
| 18:43.11 | Xho | In truth I'd rather keep them inactive but it's a large part of the Gigaquadrant that's now a black hole |
| 18:44.34 | Monet | Making the Kicath ancients who are slowly dying could add to their outcries that everyone doesn't get what they want for the universe |
| 18:46.33 | Monet | It might be we retcon the number of institutions they take an active leadership role in. |
| 18:47.24 | Monet | One of the things keeping me from leaving the Imperium is it'll create a huge power vacuum centred in Andromeda. |
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| 18:56.51 | Xho | Thinking of names for Hez' Dealth Cult |
| 18:56.59 | Xho | And no it's not going to be Death Cult |
| 18:59.35 | dino82_ | Di inferi? |
| 19:00.40 | Xho | hm |
| 19:00.51 | Xho | Something in English preferably |
| 19:01.51 | dino82_ | Hmm |
| 19:02.26 | dino82_ | something with Grim? |
| 19:02.45 | dino82_ | Black Reapers? |
| 19:02.50 | Xho | Something ironically benevolent might work |
| 19:02.54 | dino82_ | Reaper Inferno |
| 19:02.58 | dino82_ | oh benevolent as well. |
| 19:06.42 | Monet | March of Fate? |
| 19:13.12 | Xho | I'd say Legacy of the Zhulultu but we already have legacies of precursors so |
| 19:15.07 | Monet | If you're interested in inspieration there is a third cult in AC intoduced in Black Flag. |
| 19:15.16 | Monet | "Instruments of the First Will" |
| 19:15.38 | Xho | My suggestion was similar to that funnily enough |
| 19:15.44 | Xho | It was "Hegemony of the Second Eye" |
| 19:16.37 | dino82_ | Hmm, Reapers of Zhulultu? |
| 19:25.36 | Xho | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/02/SecondEyeEmblem.png/revision/latest?cb=20161217192133 Made a new Emblem |
| 19:26.23 | dino82_ | naice |
| 19:26.25 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: Looks like a warped Templar cross |
| 19:26.27 | DanzaDelMondo | DEUS VULT |
| 19:26.36 | Xho | Angazhar - vult everything |
| 19:27.08 | Monet | "May the father of rage and violence guide us" |
| 19:27.37 | Xho | That'll do |
| 19:35.15 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Dominion_of_the_Second_Eye Well there we go, Xhodocto 4.0 |
| 19:36.15 | Xho | F5 that |
| 19:39.50 | Xho | DanzaDelMondo OluapPlayer: You think a Chaos Gods kind of vibe might work with this |
| 19:39.59 | DanzaDelMondo | OUR ENEMIES HIDE IN METAL SPACESHIPS |
| 19:40.13 | OluapPlayer | Eh? |
| 19:41.28 | Monet | What particular aspects. |
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| 19:41.39 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 19:42.11 | OluapPlayer | The Chaos Gods don't involve themselves with empires. Just with individuals at best |
| 19:44.19 | Monet | More accurately they have champions who use the Gods' interest to pursue their agendas. |
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| 19:47.54 | Wormydroid | How would the Chaos Gods rank in the circles of the Lovecraftian pantheon? |
| 19:48.12 | Monet | That's a tricky one. |
| 19:48.24 | OluapPlayer | I'd not compare things from different settings that way |
| 19:48.55 | OluapPlayer | But the Chaos Gods' existence is tied to the emotions of mortals. Meanwhile Lovecraftian beings are beyond mortals |
| 19:49.05 | Wormydroid | Good point |
| 19:49.23 | Monet | In the Warp they're all-powerful but their reach in the material universe is dependant on how many mortals are indulging in the emotions they're tied to. |
| 19:49.24 | Wormydroid | They're on another plane altogether |
| 19:50.44 | Monet | But the Chaos Gods are still something that can't be challenged on their own terms. It is said that simply get a brief look at Slaanesh is enough for him/her to devour your soul and enthrall you. |
| 19:52.57 | Wormydroid | While glancing a Lovecraftian being will melt your brain |
| 19:53.29 | Monet | Cthulu might be closer to a very powerful greater daemon. |
| 19:54.00 | Wormydroid | Or are they so weird you would not be aware of their existence? |
| 19:54.47 | Wormydroid | Brain not having any mental model to filter it into |
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| 19:55.59 | Luxor | Dominion of the second eye? :I |
| 19:56.17 | Monet | I think we only have vague or prone-to-change depictions of the chaos gods |
| 19:57.19 | Monet | Our best known depiction is Nurgle. |
| 19:57.38 | DanzaDelMondo | Wormydroid: Chaos Gods can be best described as personified ideas |
| 19:58.21 | DanzaDelMondo | While the Elder Gods are still more or less material beings |
| 19:59.23 | Monet | Tzeentch we actually have no clue whatsoever what he looks like. |
| 20:00.01 | Monet | As the chaos god of change, his form is likely completely fluid. Never setting on one single form for very long. |
| 20:02.08 | Luxor | brb |
| 20:03.14 | Monet | His daemons look like something straight out of the mind of David Cronenberg. |
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| 20:04.59 | Hachiman | FUCKNUTS |
| 20:05.40 | Monet | Howdy-doody to you too |
| 20:06.01 | Hachiman | Monet: Probably should have checked earlier but are you gonna be available tonight for D&D? |
| 20:06.21 | The_Randomness | yes |
| 20:06.44 | The_Randomness | er |
| 20:06.46 | The_Randomness | misread |
| 20:06.51 | Hachiman | kek |
| 20:06.54 | Monet | I should be. |
| 20:07.30 | Xho | how it d00 bitch ass nigga |
| 20:07.53 | Wormydroid | Danzel so they're like thought forme |
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| 20:08.02 | Wormydroid | Forms |
| 20:08.31 | Monet | Pretty much |
| 20:08.37 | Hachiman | Wormydroid DanzaDelMondo: We talking about tulpas and thoughtforms and whatnot? |
| 20:08.43 | DanzaDelMondo | Chaos Gods |
| 20:08.46 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 20:08.52 | Hachiman | Yes, they are essentially thoughtforms |
| 20:08.53 | DanzaDelMondo | They are like very big thoughtfroms |
| 20:09.06 | Hachiman | Entities birthed into existence through sapient thoughts |
| 20:09.08 | Monet | The Warp is a parallel universe that is shaped and influenced by sentient thought. |
| 20:09.31 | Xho | It stemmed from the question as to whether this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Dominion_of_the_Second_Eye should have a 40K Chaos Vibe |
| 20:10.01 | Xho | specific question was 'Chaos God' vibe so it went off a bit |
| 20:10.30 | Monet | Yeah there was a bit of uncertainty by what you meant by that. |
| 20:10.45 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman Wormy_: http://political-circus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/poltical-wars.jpg |
| 20:10.58 | Xho | Alright, 40K Chaos vibe then |
| 20:10.59 | Hachiman | hur |
| 20:11.24 | Monet | The Chaos Space marines are the favoured soldiers of the Chaos Gods. |
| 20:11.49 | Hachiman | Think you meant Daemons there |
| 20:11.53 | Wormydroid | Hachiman I asked how the Chaos Gods might rank in the Lovecraftian pantheon, but thry can't be compared as the Elders are beyond mortal thought while tye Chaos Gods are mortal desires personified |
| 20:11.54 | Xho | Daemons then |
| 20:11.59 | Hachiman | CSMs are mortal folly |
| 20:12.32 | DanzaDelMondo | Wormydroid: In a sense Elders are both greater and smaller than CGs |
| 20:12.43 | DanzaDelMondo | CGs represent mortality and trascend all reason |
| 20:12.56 | Monet | Hachiman: Favoured mortal soldiers then. |
| 20:13.00 | Hachiman | Meanwhile Nyarlathotep is a massive dick |
| 20:13.29 | DanzaDelMondo | While the Elder Ones are mostly just normal people, except on a vastly higher level of being and a higher level of sentience |
| 20:13.34 | Wormydroid | Intriguing |
| 20:13.38 | DanzaDelMondo | For me at least |
| 20:13.50 | DanzaDelMondo | They are to us what we are to, say, bugs |
| 20:13.52 | Hachiman | Wait which Elder Ones we talking about |
| 20:13.57 | DanzaDelMondo | Cthulhu |
| 20:14.04 | Xho | So should I go Lovecraftian or 40K then |
| 20:14.06 | Hachiman | You mean Great Old Ones |
| 20:14.09 | DanzaDelMondo | Wait |
| 20:14.12 | DanzaDelMondo | Oh |
| 20:14.21 | DanzaDelMondo | Whatever race Cthulhu is |
| 20:14.25 | DanzaDelMondo | Cthulhu, Dagon, Hydra, etc |
| 20:14.32 | OluapPlayer | Great Old One |
| 20:14.35 | Hachiman | Cthulhu, Dagon, and Hydra are Great Old Ones |
| 20:14.40 | DanzaDelMondo | So |
| 20:14.45 | Wormydroid | So they're more like truly alien beings |
| 20:14.48 | Xho | Heck even I knew that one and I haven't read Lovecraft |
| 20:14.49 | DanzaDelMondo | Elder Ones are Yog-Sototh and Azatoth |
| 20:14.50 | DanzaDelMondo | Right |
| 20:14.51 | DanzaDelMondo | ? |
| 20:14.55 | OluapPlayer | These are Outer Gods |
| 20:14.57 | DanzaDelMondo | Oh |
| 20:14.57 | Hachiman | Then you have Outer Gods |
| 20:15.02 | DanzaDelMondo | Outer Gods > Great Old Ones |
| 20:15.05 | DanzaDelMondo | And the Elder Ones are... |
| 20:15.06 | DanzaDelMondo | ? |
| 20:15.11 | Hachiman | You mean Elder Things |
| 20:15.14 | OluapPlayer | Something you made up |
| 20:15.16 | DanzaDelMondo | So the Great Old Ones worship the Outer Gods, that I remember |
| 20:15.19 | Xho | I don't think Elder Gods are part of Lovecraft |
| 20:15.23 | Xho | Mortal Kombat maybe |
| 20:15.24 | DanzaDelMondo | Elder Things are what? |
| 20:15.25 | Wormydroid | I have heard that tue Outer Gods are more abstract |
| 20:15.33 | DanzaDelMondo | Bah whatever, my point stands |
| 20:15.36 | Hachiman | And they're some alien race like the Great Race of Yith and Mi-Go who inhabited Earth before humanity arose |
| 20:15.40 | DanzaDelMondo | Oh |
| 20:15.48 | OluapPlayer | Elder Things are a race of aliens who created the Shoggoth |
| 20:15.52 | Hachiman | Creators of the shoggoths and whatnot |
| 20:16.19 | DanzaDelMondo | Great Old Ones are not outside our universe and merely represent a more advanced state of being and sentience |
| 20:16.33 | Xho | So |
| 20:16.35 | DanzaDelMondo | Whereas the Chaos Gods are beyond reason and our universe |
| 20:16.38 | Xho | Lovecraft or 40K |
| 20:16.45 | Hachiman | Why not Zoidberg |
| 20:16.46 | Xho | I'm gonna keep asking this question |
| 20:16.49 | OluapPlayer | It's your fiction, you decide |
| 20:16.49 | The_Randomness | Xho: yes |
| 20:16.59 | DanzaDelMondo | So you could say Chaos Gods are more powerful than the Great Old Ones because they are not on the same level |
| 20:17.02 | Xho | jabs a power drill into the base of his skull |
| 20:17.02 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: 40k |
| 20:17.13 | Wormydroid | But aren't some of the Outer Gods Kaos and Time personified? |
| 20:17.23 | Xho | 40K then |
| 20:17.25 | Hachiman | Sort of |
| 20:17.25 | DanzaDelMondo | Yeah Outer Gods from what I understand are stronger |
| 20:17.30 | OluapPlayer | That's Azathoth |
| 20:17.38 | OluapPlayer | He's implied to have created the universe by accident |
| 20:17.40 | DanzaDelMondo | They are like actual all-powerful deities |
| 20:17.45 | DanzaDelMondo | And the GOOs worship them |
| 20:17.46 | Hachiman | Azathoth exists at - and simultaneously is - the centre of the universe |
| 20:18.17 | Xho | Blind Idiot God |
| 20:18.26 | Hachiman | And is known as the Blind Idiot God because all he does is blabber pointless gibberish and acts on a whim all day long |
| 20:18.37 | Wormydroid | It is them who I was wondering whether the Chaos Gods are comparable to |
| 20:18.51 | Xho | I don't think Lovecraft's stuff is really comparable to anything |
| 20:18.53 | OluapPlayer | Chaos Gods exist due to mortal emotion |
| 20:18.54 | Hachiman | Chaos Gods for me are probably comparable to lesser Outer Gods |
| 20:19.01 | OluapPlayer | Azathoth coughed and the universe started |
| 20:19.08 | Hachiman | hur |
| 20:19.25 | Xho | skullsfortheskullthrone.avi |
| 20:19.36 | Xho | I wonder if that's an actual Youtube video |
| 20:19.39 | Hachiman | Like, the Chaos Gods exist beyond our universe and are essentially all-powerful, but they're not exactly difficult to understand |
| 20:19.51 | Monet | Xho: Very likely |
| 20:19.57 | Hachiman | At least, they're not difficult to understand if you're not a brainwashed ultra-conservative Imperial |
| 20:20.24 | Xho | So what's the deal behind the Chaos Gods not having ultrafucked the galaxy if they're essentially all powerful |
| 20:20.40 | Hachiman | They cannot act directly |
| 20:20.46 | OluapPlayer | They're only all powerful in the Warp |
| 20:20.53 | Hachiman | They HAVE to act through lesser Chaos entities and corrupted mortals |
| 20:20.56 | Xho | Which I guess is another dimension |
| 20:21.01 | Monet | Yeah |
| 20:21.03 | OluapPlayer | Warp = Hell + hyperspace |
| 20:21.07 | Xho | fun |
| 20:21.15 | Hachiman | Kind of like Event Horizon |
| 20:21.16 | Wormydroid | Isn't at least one of the Chaos Gods formed from tue Eldar's passion |
| 20:21.22 | Hachiman | Slaanesh, yes |
| 20:21.34 | Xho | So where do the C'tan fall into it |
| 20:21.46 | Xho | Well not at all in terms of Chaos but |
| 20:21.48 | Monet | They're, or were, energy beings. |
| 20:21.50 | OluapPlayer | They predate the Chaos Gods |
| 20:21.51 | Hachiman | C'tan are ancient shapeless solar star-devourers |
| 20:22.02 | DanzaDelMondo | C'tan are diferent |
| 20:22.05 | Hachiman | Older than the Chaos Gods and given material forms by the Necron |
| 20:22.07 | Xho | See this sounds pretty cool now |
| 20:22.07 | DanzaDelMondo | C'tan are actually closer to the Great Old Ones |
| 20:22.16 | DanzaDelMondo | They're natural organisms |
| 20:22.21 | OluapPlayer | Primordial beings born from the beginning of the universe, originally ate star matter until they realized souls were a lot tastier |
| 20:22.22 | DanzaDelMondo | THat feed on energy and the like |
| 20:22.40 | Wormydroid | Phophopho phontino birds... |
| 20:22.43 | Hachiman | After they began to feed on mortal souls, they eventually decided to eat each other |
| 20:22.47 | DanzaDelMondo | They are not even very powerful in their original form, the reason the ones we have right now are very strong is because they ate each other |
| 20:23.03 | The_Randomness | nom |
| 20:23.03 | DanzaDelMondo | Though these are shattered so they are again back to strong but not retardedly strong |
| 20:23.14 | Xho | Well I know of the C'tan Shards through reading the Necrons |
| 20:23.19 | DanzaDelMondo | They are reduced to Pokemon essentially |
| 20:23.22 | OluapPlayer | Then the Necrons blew them up because they realized they were kind of jerks |
| 20:23.36 | Xho | So the Necrons are basically broken |
| 20:23.45 | OluapPlayer | The Necrons broke the C'tan |
| 20:23.47 | Hachiman | Yes; the Necrons are the ultimate badasses because they managed to trick their gods and then exploit their powers for themselves |
| 20:23.55 | Xho | I mean broken as in powerful as fuck |
| 20:24.11 | Xho | One thing I don't get |
| 20:24.14 | OluapPlayer | Then no, you can't be broken in a setting where everything is overpowered |
| 20:24.23 | Xho | Necrons were originally the Necrontyr right |
| 20:24.26 | Hachiman | Yes |
| 20:24.29 | Xho | Got it |
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| 20:24.44 | drom | _It is high drom!_ |
| 20:24.52 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 20:24.53 | Hachiman | They became the Necron after discovering the C'tan and shifting their souls into immortal, artificial chassis |
| 20:24.56 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 20:25.02 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 20:26.00 | drom | waves friendly |
| 20:26.09 | Hachiman | The Necrons, while perhaps the most technologically advanced faction in the setting, are balanced by the fact that they are not a unified race and struggle to produce more Necron, plus the fact that awakening Tomb Worlds can take ages and the minds of the old Necrons are liable to be broken or damaged |
| 20:26.28 | Hachiman | There is an entire group of Necron who believe that they are still fighting the War in Heaven I believe |
| 20:26.33 | Xho | So the Necrons actually fight each other |
| 20:26.36 | Xho | Or not |
| 20:26.40 | Hachiman | They do |
| 20:26.42 | DanzaDelMondo | They do |
| 20:26.45 | Xho | Wow bet that's fucked up |
| 20:26.48 | Hachiman | They have complex political structures and sub-factions |
| 20:26.55 | DanzaDelMondo | Their actual ruler is gone |
| 20:27.07 | OluapPlayer | The only faction in the setting that doesn't fight itself is the Tyranids |
| 20:27.08 | DanzaDelMondo | So now there are lots of former generals and princes fighting |
| 20:27.15 | Xho | All I remember from reading about The Silent King is that he left the galaxy or something |
| 20:27.17 | DanzaDelMondo | Pharaohs and whatnot |
| 20:27.45 | Hachiman | The Tyranids are liable to devour one another though, although that's a more voluntary process |
| 20:27.52 | DanzaDelMondo | And he is now back but naturally the Necrons are like "u f4kn 1d1ot gtf0" |
| 20:27.53 | OluapPlayer | Exactly |
| 20:27.55 | Hachiman | They eat each other to exchange genetic data |
| 20:28.24 | Xho | Isn't that like |
| 20:28.25 | DanzaDelMondo | IT is said fleets sometimes attack each other to merge |
| 20:28.33 | DanzaDelMondo | To see who's the strongest |
| 20:28.45 | Hachiman | Natural selection I suppose |
| 20:28.49 | Hachiman | Hive Mind gets picky |
| 20:29.06 | Xho | As far as I remember the Tyranids are an extragalactic hivemind |
| 20:29.13 | Hachiman | That they are |
| 20:29.14 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 20:29.19 | Xho | is learning |
| 20:29.26 | drom | If you don't mind asking for an opinion. I am uncertain about which neck this gal should have. http://i.imgur.com/z7J9ELO.png |
| 20:29.34 | OluapPlayer | A hivemind whose largest fleet encountered isn't even the bulk of their might |
| 20:29.39 | Hachiman | drom: The second one definitely |
| 20:30.30 | drom | Good thing I don't have to undo every stroke I did |
| 20:30.32 | Xho | See the issue with 40K is that you can't derive any of it on to the wiki because all of it has been done |
| 20:30.35 | Xho | terrible timing |
| 20:30.42 | Hachiman | Eh? |
| 20:30.52 | Xho | I mean there's derivations of 40K in wiki fiction |
| 20:31.04 | Hachiman | 40K itself is a conglomeration of older science fiction tropes and ideas |
| 20:31.06 | OluapPlayer | Well yeah, Loron are literally Orks for one |
| 20:31.08 | DanzaDelMondo | Well duh |
| 20:31.24 | Xho | Well I only started figuring this out, I was pretty ignorant to 40K |
| 20:31.27 | Wormydroid | Warlords - Primarchs |
| 20:31.30 | drom | Thanks for your opinion, Hachiman. Well appreciated. |
| 20:31.38 | Hachiman | No problemo hose |
| 20:31.40 | OluapPlayer | The Alvino were based on the Tyranids |
| 20:31.45 | Xho | drom: I'd go for the second as well |
| 20:31.47 | OluapPlayer | Their current model should be indication |
| 20:31.53 | Xho | Wait so what are the HXT |
| 20:31.55 | Wormydroid | Drom second |
| 20:31.56 | OluapPlayer | Well, current model of the mutants |
| 20:31.56 | DanzaDelMondo | Also Tyranids |
| 20:32.00 | Hachiman | HXT are also Tyranids |
| 20:32.03 | Xho | double tyranids dear god |
| 20:32.07 | OluapPlayer | HXT = Tyranids and Zerg |
| 20:32.07 | drom | Thanks! Xho and Wormydroid! |
| 20:32.24 | Hachiman | Zerg themselves were inspired by Tyranids |
| 20:32.29 | DanzaDelMondo | Yep |
| 20:32.32 | Monet | Tyranids -> Zerg -> HXTs, Alvino |
| 20:32.34 | The_Randomness | drom: yeah, second one for sure |
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| 20:32.38 | Xho | Imperium of Man is suddenly France |
| 20:32.43 | Hachiman | non |
| 20:32.43 | Luxor | am back |
| 20:32.52 | Wormydroid | Tyranide are probably inspired by Starship Troopers |
| 20:32.55 | Xho | Hachiman: GOD-BAGUETTE OF FRENCHKIND |
| 20:33.00 | drom | Tsk, tsk. You are late as a Java application, The_Randomness. |
| 20:33.06 | Hachiman | Tyranids are inspired by Aliens as far as I know |
| 20:33.07 | The_Randomness | :P |
| 20:33.10 | Hachiman | Xenomorphs and whatnot |
| 20:33.15 | Xho | Would make sense |
| 20:33.17 | Xho | Teeth and no eyes |
| 20:33.25 | OluapPlayer | They definitely resemble Xenomorphs |
| 20:33.27 | drom | But yeah, thanks for your input nonetheless. |
| 20:33.40 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: The Emperor actually comes from Turkey |
| 20:33.48 | Monet | Space Hulk I think was inspired by Aliens. |
| 20:33.51 | Xho | I read |
| 20:33.57 | Xho | I thought was Sumerian or something |
| 20:33.57 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: The most Xenomorph-y Tyranids are the Genestealers |
| 20:34.01 | DanzaDelMondo | Hittite |
| 20:34.05 | Hachiman | Hittite |
| 20:34.18 | Xho | Hittite |
| 20:34.22 | Monet | Stuck in a dead ship with jeanstealers bursting out of walls. |
| 20:34.30 | Wormydroid | The zerg/Tyranid rush is defo Arachnid inspirer |
| 20:34.31 | Xho | I thought he was born in like 8000 BC or something |
| 20:34.38 | OluapPlayer | jeanstealers, orks and deemuns |
| 20:34.55 | Hachiman | and captain diohmedeez |
| 20:34.57 | Xho | 8000 BC is pre-civilisation come to think of it but I guess it doesn't have to be that accurate |
| 20:35.02 | OluapPlayer | BROTHER I AM HIT |
| 20:35.14 | Hachiman | MY FACE IS MY SHIELD |
| 20:35.16 | Xho | Well, Jericho was around in 8000 BC |
| 20:35.16 | Monet | NRUVVAH AY AM HEET |
| 20:35.35 | Xho | Nevermind |
| 20:35.51 | Wormydroid | There were some simple cities, mostly hive communities at that point |
| 20:36.05 | OluapPlayer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hh609HZWGA obligatory |
| 20:36.08 | Xho | So what exactly is the Horus Heresy |
| 20:36.14 | DanzaDelMondo | Horus became a heretic |
| 20:36.17 | Hachiman | Massive Imperial schism |
| 20:36.21 | DanzaDelMondo | Imperial civil war |
| 20:36.23 | Hachiman | Between the Primarchs and the Emperor |
| 20:36.27 | Wormydroid | People lived in hive-like architecture with no central planning |
| 20:36.40 | DanzaDelMondo | Basically 50% space marines became Chaos Space Marines |
| 20:36.42 | Monet | Horus Lupercal, one of the primarchs, is convinced by the chaos gods to rebel |
| 20:37.06 | DanzaDelMondo | And like 50% of the Imperium too because back then factions within it were so integrated |
| 20:37.09 | DanzaDelMondo | *more integrated |
| 20:37.11 | OluapPlayer | Horus Heresy = Emperor becomes a skelly in a chair because he's a terrible parent |
| 20:37.16 | Hachiman | They paint Horus as the villain when it was actually Lorgar who discovered the Chaos Gods and began the initial corruption of humanity |
| 20:37.24 | Xho | thank mr god-emperor of dootkind |
| 20:37.25 | DanzaDelMondo | Lorgar was the brain behind it |
| 20:37.25 | Monet | THey showed him the 41st millennium but didn't tell him he'd cause that future and let hi mthink that was the Emperor's doing |
| 20:37.35 | DanzaDelMondo | Horus was the figurehead and the brute force |
| 20:37.39 | Hachiman | Driven to find new gods after being rejected by the Emperor for treating him like a deity |
| 20:37.55 | Xho | So I guess Lorgar went a bit nuts |
| 20:37.59 | DanzaDelMondo | Yeah |
| 20:38.01 | Monet | Just a bit |
| 20:38.07 | drom | I forgot I had this teal streak layer. http://i.imgur.com/m8uWJRg.png Which does well for comparison. If not difficult to differ teal from white. |
| 20:38.14 | DanzaDelMondo | He was raised in a very religious community and had always awaited the coming of a Messiah |
| 20:38.14 | Hachiman | The Emperor essentially destroyed every monument and tribute that Lorgar had ever dedicated to him |
| 20:38.25 | DanzaDelMondo | Then the Emperor came and he saw that Messiah in him |
| 20:38.32 | DanzaDelMondo | Unfortunately, the Emperor was a fedora-tipper |
| 20:38.57 | OluapPlayer | terrible person, terrible father |
| 20:39.06 | Hachiman | Emperor was an awful person yes |
| 20:39.07 | Xho | God-Emperor of Mankind -> actually atheist |
| 20:39.16 | Hachiman | He doesn't call himself the God-Emperor |
| 20:39.25 | Xho | I know I'm just making myself a point here |
| 20:39.29 | Hachiman | rite |
| 20:39.34 | DanzaDelMondo | There's a short story where the Emperor destroys the last temples on Earth |
| 20:39.50 | DanzaDelMondo | The level of fedora-tipping in it is so damn high Dawkins would die out of jealousy |
| 20:40.02 | Xho | tfw Richard Dawkins is the Emperor |
| 20:40.49 | Xho | So is he actually worshipped as a god in the Imperium of Man come M41 |
| 20:40.52 | DanzaDelMondo | Richard Dawkins witnessed the Chaos Gods and became so angry he soughtr to conquer the galaxy to erase them from existence |
| 20:40.54 | DanzaDelMondo | Yeah |
| 20:41.07 | DanzaDelMondo | It began back during the Great Crusade but was condoned by him |
| 20:41.09 | Xho | wow bet that sucks |
| 20:41.12 | DanzaDelMondo | Later as he died it began in earnest |
| 20:41.16 | Luxor | dang it |
| 20:41.25 | Luxor | call me a heretic then |
| 20:41.48 | DanzaDelMondo | But the religious literature of the modern Ecclesiarchy (Imperial church) dates from back when the Emperor was alive |
| 20:41.53 | OluapPlayer | Violent worship of the Emperor is the entire basis of the Imperium in M41 |
| 20:41.53 | Monet | To the Space Marines he's more of a patriarch. |
| 20:41.54 | DanzaDelMondo | It was actually written by Horus pre-Chaos |
| 20:42.00 | OluapPlayer | Emphasis on violent |
| 20:42.02 | Hachiman | Lorgar you mean |
| 20:42.04 | DanzaDelMondo | Space Marines are less religious and have their own cults yeah |
| 20:42.06 | DanzaDelMondo | Lorgar yes |
| 20:42.06 | Xho | So by that definition everyone who isn't part of the Imperium of Man is a heretic |
| 20:42.07 | DanzaDelMondo | My bad |
| 20:42.12 | Hachiman | Essentially |
| 20:42.14 | DanzaDelMondo | nods |
| 20:42.19 | Xho | has got it |
| 20:42.24 | OluapPlayer | Heretic, mutant, alien, choose your buzzword |
| 20:42.25 | DanzaDelMondo | That being said the Imperial cult is very diverse |
| 20:42.37 | Xho | So what are all of the spinoffs of the Imperium of Man |
| 20:42.37 | Hachiman | And if you're not a heretic or Imperial, you're a xeno - which is even worse |
| 20:42.37 | DanzaDelMondo | OluapPlayer: >choose your buzzword |
| 20:42.39 | DanzaDelMondo | Problematic |
| 20:42.48 | DanzaDelMondo | Kill the racist, burn the sexist, purge the transphobe! |
| 20:43.01 | Xho | Like the Adeptus Mechanicus to begin with |
| 20:43.02 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: as in, the Imperial Guard and the like? |
| 20:43.09 | DanzaDelMondo | The Adeptus are like a state within a state |
| 20:43.13 | DanzaDelMondo | AdMech that is |
| 20:43.31 | DanzaDelMondo | They have their own little industrial/scientific research-devoted planets scattered all over the Imperium |
| 20:43.37 | OluapPlayer | The AdMech are cyborgs and the only people who have any idea how any technology works |
| 20:43.42 | DanzaDelMondo | They're the nerds |
| 20:43.50 | Hachiman | Meanwhile the Astartes are reminiscent of knightly brotherhoods unless you're the Ultramarines, in which case they are a small kingdom-state of their own and are tax-evaders |
| 20:43.55 | OluapPlayer | The average Imperial couldn't tell the difference between a toaster and a rock |
| 20:43.58 | DanzaDelMondo | They have their own religion but they treat the Emperor as an avater of THEIR god |
| 20:44.06 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: >tax evaders |
| 20:44.14 | Hachiman | Yes, the Ultramarines evade tax |
| 20:44.18 | DanzaDelMondo | Trumparines |
| 20:44.21 | Xho | Is there not one being in this setting that is remotely sane |
| 20:44.25 | OluapPlayer | conversation ruined |
| 20:44.31 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: They ARE sane |
| 20:44.43 | DanzaDelMondo | In THEIR universe, killing everything that does not look like you is a very sane idea |
| 20:44.47 | Xho | comparatively sane then |
| 20:45.09 | Hachiman | Commissar Ciaphas Cain, Hero of the Imperium, is comparatively sane |
| 20:45.10 | OluapPlayer | By real world standards, no, everyone is an idiot and a psychopath |
| 20:45.21 | OluapPlayer | Sometimes both |
| 20:45.38 | Xho | SporeWiki is like a playground in comparison |
| 20:45.41 | DanzaDelMondo | But yeah there are relatively well-off planets where people are relatively sane |
| 20:45.51 | Luxor | My ancestors are smiling at me, Imperials. Can you say the same? |
| 20:45.54 | Hachiman | kek |
| 20:46.02 | Hachiman | Cain is a coward, an opportunist, and a survivalist |
| 20:46.24 | Hachiman | Then again he also duelled a Khornate Berzerker in melee with a chainsword once - he is VERY good with the chainsword however |
| 20:46.37 | Xho | From what I gather |
| 20:46.44 | Xho | Huge fucking psycho |
| 20:46.48 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 20:47.09 | Xho | Chaos Space Marines |
| 20:47.10 | Xho | makes sense |
| 20:47.20 | OluapPlayer | Berzerkers are Khorne-worshiping Marines who do nothing all day but scream over how angry they are and how they want to fight you exclusively at melee |
| 20:47.40 | Xho | religiouspeopleonsteroids |
| 20:47.44 | Monet | WE NEED A NEW DRIVER, THIS ONE IS DEAD |
| 20:48.05 | Hachiman | SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THROOOONE~ |
| 20:48.13 | OluapPlayer | They probably think "pistol" is some sort of strange xeno beverage |
| 20:48.51 | Hachiman | I recall Berzerkers using boltpistols but they would rather tear you apart, limb from limb, with their chainaxes |
| 20:48.55 | Hachiman | Or their bare fucking hands |
| 20:49.41 | OluapPlayer | They were melee-only units in DoW1 |
| 20:49.52 | Hachiman | The Inquisition is not much better given that they largely consist of ultra-paranoid and incredibly dickish and self-centric assholes |
| 20:50.03 | Luxor | that escalated quickly |
| 20:50.24 | Hachiman | And will murder your entire family and anyone who ever associated with them if they believe they smell even the slightest tinge of heresy on you |
| 20:50.27 | Luxor | I'd suggest moving discussion to my zone of comfort, Tau technology for example |
| 20:50.37 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: >~ |
| 20:50.38 | Luxor | or whatever |
| 20:50.43 | DanzaDelMondo | N-notice me, Khorne-sama~ |
| 20:50.58 | Luxor | BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD |
| 20:51.02 | DanzaDelMondo | OluapPlayer: I think they have pistols |
| 20:51.18 | Xho | What exactly is the year in 40K |
| 20:51.26 | Hachiman | Last I recall, it's... |
| 20:51.27 | OluapPlayer | The Inquisition is the worst part of an already bad faction |
| 20:51.28 | DanzaDelMondo | Like almost 41,000,000 |
| 20:51.29 | DanzaDelMondo | Almost |
| 20:51.33 | OluapPlayer | Worst thing in the whole setting even |
| 20:51.57 | Hachiman | 127.M42 |
| 20:52.19 | Xho | So is that 42,127 AD or something much bigger |
| 20:52.26 | DanzaDelMondo | That's 41,000,127 |
| 20:52.29 | Monet | 41,127 AD |
| 20:52.37 | Xho | i have started an argument |
| 20:52.44 | drom | DanzaDelMondo: I remember when you asked me if Nomatarians had four boobs because they had double pecs. |
| 20:52.50 | DanzaDelMondo | Yes |
| 20:53.30 | drom | I recalled the same thing to an other friend on Discord, about if I should add it on the sketch. He responded "if you are a furry, sure thing then." |
| 20:53.36 | The_Randomness | lmao |
| 20:53.41 | Monet | Danzel y u adding an extra 3 zeros? |
| 20:53.43 | Xho | So, 41,127 AD then |
| 20:53.49 | Hachiman | Yes |
| 20:53.52 | Monet | It's the 41st millennium not the year 41 million. |
| 20:54.00 | Hachiman | Or 42,127 rather |
| 20:54.05 | Xho | 42,127 |
| 20:54.19 | Monet | 41,127 |
| 20:54.27 | Xho | 3042,35221,3 |
| 20:54.31 | Xho | I dunno |
| 20:54.31 | Hachiman | Why would it be 41 when it's the 42nd Millennium |
| 20:54.33 | drom | And of course, I didn't add anything resembling jugs. |
| 20:54.34 | Monet | Because 2016 = 016 M3 |
| 20:54.43 | OluapPlayer | one gorillion |
| 20:54.51 | Xho | one moth AD |
| 20:54.56 | drom | But something tells me that I should. |
| 20:56.40 | Monet | It's the same logic behind 2016 being the 21st century. |
| 20:57.01 | Hachiman | Right right |
| 20:57.12 | Xho | So 41,127 then |
| 20:57.47 | Xho | Aren't the Tau mostly rational |
| 20:57.51 | Xho | Or are they dicks as well |
| 20:57.57 | Hachiman | Well |
| 20:58.06 | OluapPlayer | They're implied to be mind-controlling their population |
| 20:58.06 | Monet | Both |
| 20:58.09 | Hachiman | In basic, they're dicks as well |
| 20:58.16 | Luxor | meh |
| 20:58.17 | DanzaDelMondo | They're communist |
| 20:58.19 | Monet | Only the Tau themselves are mind controlled |
| 20:58.33 | Luxor | They're propably the most advanced nation in terms of technology |
| 20:58.35 | Hachiman | How are they communist when their society is dictated by a strict class structure |
| 20:58.39 | Monet | Humans, Kroot and Vespids in their empire are merely indoctrinated. |
| 20:58.41 | Luxor | THANK YOU |
| 20:58.50 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: Communist in the American sense of the word |
| 20:58.53 | Xho | Luxor: More than the Necrons? |
| 20:58.54 | DanzaDelMondo | Collectivist utilitarians |
| 20:59.02 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: They arent' actually advanced |
| 20:59.04 | Xho | Or are we excluding Xenos |
| 20:59.11 | DanzaDelMondo | Hell they are actualyl the LEAST advanced race if you think about it |
| 20:59.12 | DanzaDelMondo | HOWEVER |
| 20:59.25 | Luxor | Xho: being isolated and living on world threatened by explosion of it's sun is a good motor for developing |
| 20:59.25 | DanzaDelMondo | They are good at reproducing their technology and develop rather fast |
| 20:59.32 | DanzaDelMondo | So, for example |
| 20:59.33 | Xho | Well 60 million years old is pretty old |
| 20:59.42 | Hachiman | Necrons are also xenos |
| 20:59.44 | DanzaDelMondo | Tau can't make an advanced teleporter like Orks |
| 20:59.54 | DanzaDelMondo | Or like |
| 20:59.58 | Luxor | Necrons use technology burried in sands of rotten shit-worlds |
| 21:00.05 | Luxor | "necro spiders" |
| 21:00.07 | Luxor | oh please |
| 21:00.11 | Hachiman | Tau also have to rely on STL |
| 21:00.21 | OluapPlayer | You can't really compare with Orks since their technology is based on make-believe |
| 21:00.22 | DanzaDelMondo | Though that's more physiological |
| 21:00.33 | OluapPlayer | That being said I hope DoW 3 has Shokk Attak Guns |
| 21:00.41 | Hachiman | Or at least, I think the Tau rely on STL |
| 21:00.55 | Xho | I thought the Necrons didn't use the Warp to travel |
| 21:00.56 | Monet | The Tau skim the warp |
| 21:01.05 | Hachiman | I know they have some derivative of something pertaining to minimal interaction with the Warp |
| 21:01.10 | OluapPlayer | Necrons use the thingy the Eldar also use |
| 21:01.13 | OluapPlayer | I forget the name |
| 21:01.16 | Hachiman | Webway? |
| 21:01.18 | DanzaDelMondo | Webway |
| 21:01.18 | Monet | Webway |
| 21:01.19 | OluapPlayer | Yeah that |
| 21:01.24 | Xho | wobwoy |
| 21:01.25 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: Tau cannot make advanced teleporters like Orks, nor do they have advanced genetic engineering like the Imperium does, however |
| 21:01.36 | DanzaDelMondo | The Imperium does not fully understands its technology |
| 21:01.43 | Luxor | calling orks advanced is a misunderstanding imho, however you have a point |
| 21:01.49 | Xho | The Imperium doesn't understand its own technology |
| 21:01.50 | OluapPlayer | The Tyranids are the only race who can do FTL without using the Warp, though their method is poorly explained |
| 21:01.56 | DanzaDelMondo | Many of its more advanced stuff are like ancient relics that cannot be replicated |
| 21:02.06 | Xho | [21:01] <Xho> The Imperium doesn't understand its own technology nuts |
| 21:02.21 | Luxor | kek |
| 21:02.39 | OluapPlayer | Like I said, the AdMech are the only humans with any idea of how the technology works, and it's not that good anyway |
| 21:02.41 | DanzaDelMondo | Same with Orks, Orks are capable of great feats of technology but considering the nature of their race their inventions are mostly all unique |
| 21:02.45 | Luxor | (http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:United_Republic_of_Nations#History) |
| 21:02.53 | DanzaDelMondo | And powered in part by their inner Warp power |
| 21:02.54 | Xho | I know the Orks work on sheer dumb luck |
| 21:03.00 | Luxor | luck |
| 21:03.01 | Luxor | hue |
| 21:03.02 | Hachiman | Not luck |
| 21:03.05 | OluapPlayer | Not luck |
| 21:03.11 | Hachiman | They believe something works; it works |
| 21:03.18 | Hachiman | Literal power of make-believe |
| 21:03.18 | OluapPlayer | They warp reality to make what they believe come true |
| 21:03.22 | Luxor | if someting is stupid but it works it ain't stupid |
| 21:03.22 | DanzaDelMondo | The PEAK of Tau technology is lower, but they have a lot of advanced technology that they freely replicate |
| 21:03.25 | Luxor | but orks are |
| 21:03.35 | DanzaDelMondo | Like plasma guns for example |
| 21:04.11 | DanzaDelMondo | Human mechas are all some sort of inherited holy relics, Tau make them constantly |
| 21:04.45 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: as for the Tau socieites, thing is their own society practices a very weird form of racism within their species |
| 21:04.51 | Luxor | Tau makes prettier guns |
| 21:05.07 | DanzaDelMondo | Like each of their castes was once an ethnic/racial group within their species |
| 21:05.17 | DanzaDelMondo | And once the Ethereals took over they assigned each to their own task |
| 21:05.26 | Luxor | + 6th caste that came from heaven |
| 21:05.27 | Luxor | yes. |
| 21:05.29 | Xho | space hindus SPACE HINDUS |
| 21:05.32 | Luxor | YES |
| 21:05.42 | DanzaDelMondo | In a sense |
| 21:05.53 | DanzaDelMondo | It's like if Slavs were bred and raised to serve in the military only |
| 21:05.59 | DanzaDelMondo | For example |
| 21:05.59 | Luxor | dude |
| 21:06.02 | Luxor | we're slaves |
| 21:06.07 | DanzaDelMondo | I'm not a Slav kek |
| 21:06.08 | Luxor | I MEAN SLAVS WTF |
| 21:06.10 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman: So wait the Orks actually make anything work by simply wanting it to work |
| 21:06.11 | Hachiman | I thought that was the case already |
| 21:06.14 | DanzaDelMondo | WE WILL NEVER BE SLAVS |
| 21:06.17 | Hachiman | Xho: Yes |
| 21:06.23 | OluapPlayer | Essentially |
| 21:06.23 | Luxor | SLAVeS |
| 21:06.25 | Luxor | ffs :( |
| 21:06.29 | Xho | m8 |
| 21:06.38 | DanzaDelMondo | Best typo ever |
| 21:06.39 | Hachiman | If they paint something red, which they believe will make something go faster, it will go faster |
| 21:06.51 | Xho | I always got the vibe from the Loron that everything they did was just out of luck |
| 21:06.54 | Hachiman | Orks paint themselves purple for stealth because Imperials will be looking for green Orks |
| 21:07.00 | Luxor | XD |
| 21:07.10 | Luxor | that's actually genious |
| 21:07.10 | OluapPlayer | Purple orks are sneakier, because have you ever seen a purple ork |
| 21:07.16 | OluapPlayer | And it works |
| 21:07.19 | Luxor | you have a point too |
| 21:07.44 | OluapPlayer | In a human's hands, their guns can barely hold themselves together |
| 21:07.54 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 21:08.22 | Hachiman | Honestly it's no wonder why Imperial civilians fear Orks so much |
| 21:08.47 | Luxor | Fear The Alien. Hate The Alien. Kill The Alien. |
| 21:08.48 | Hachiman | They can bend reality to their whim and are all possessed by an alien drive to instinctively hunt and kill humans |
| 21:08.52 | OluapPlayer | Orks are funny out of universe, but very threatening in universe |
| 21:09.54 | Xho | What is actually deemed as the worst threat in 40LK |
| 21:09.55 | Xho | K |
| 21:09.59 | Xho | If you can |
| 21:10.19 | Xho | From an outer perspective I would have imagine Chaos Daemons |
| 21:10.20 | DanzaDelMondo | Chaos and Tyranids |
| 21:10.30 | OluapPlayer | A lot of things could exterminate humanity if they got their shit together |
| 21:10.38 | Xho | do it do it do it |
| 21:10.39 | OluapPlayer | Chaos would win if they won a Black Crusade |
| 21:10.49 | OluapPlayer | The Orks would overwhelm the galaxy if they ever unified |
| 21:10.49 | DanzaDelMondo | IT's not Daemons specifically |
| 21:11.01 | Monet | Daemons don't want to destroy the universe per se |
| 21:11.08 | Monet | They just want it supremely fucked up |
| 21:11.18 | Hachiman | Daemons and the Chaos Gods do not desire the death or full corruption of humankind |
| 21:11.21 | OluapPlayer | The Tyranids probably ARE going to overwhelm the galaxy soon |
| 21:11.33 | Luxor | aaah, so it's called Immaterium in English |
| 21:11.41 | OluapPlayer | Since they're unified, innumerably and unstoppable |
| 21:11.46 | DanzaDelMondo | It's a cyckle in the end |
| 21:11.51 | DanzaDelMondo | If the Chaos Gods won, they would die |
| 21:11.55 | OluapPlayer | innumerable* |
| 21:12.05 | DanzaDelMondo | No more people -> No more emotions -> No more Chaos |
| 21:12.14 | Xho | I read somewhere that the Orks are also exceptionally ancient |
| 21:12.16 | Hachiman | The Chaos Gods I believe actually desired Horus NOT to win the Heresy because of that |
| 21:12.22 | Luxor | chaos is not fueled only by human emotions |
| 21:12.24 | Hachiman | Yes, Orks are creations of the Old Ones |
| 21:12.29 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: They're a precursor warrior race |
| 21:12.31 | OluapPlayer | Orks and Eldar are |
| 21:12.32 | Xho | wow |
| 21:12.35 | Monet | They were created by the same precursors as the Eldar |
| 21:12.39 | DanzaDelMondo | Yeah |
| 21:12.40 | Hachiman | Orks and Eldar are roughly the same age |
| 21:12.41 | OluapPlayer | They were created to fight the Necrontyr |
| 21:12.42 | Luxor | Humans will vanish in immaterium, eldars will prevail as souls |
| 21:12.44 | DanzaDelMondo | Made to fight the Necrons |
| 21:12.53 | Hachiman | Luxor: Slaanesh says hi |
| 21:12.57 | Luxor | >:) |
| 21:13.18 | OluapPlayer | Slaanesh devours the soul of every dead Eldar ever |
| 21:13.21 | Xho | So have the Eldar and Orks fought together against the Necrons in the present or are they too messed up |
| 21:13.22 | OluapPlayer | So no |
| 21:13.31 | Hachiman | Kind of |
| 21:13.38 | Hachiman | Eldar have manipulated Orks into fighting for them |
| 21:13.40 | Monet | Probably not o nthe same battlefield |
| 21:13.45 | Monet | But yeah |
| 21:14.09 | Luxor | >we fear death |
| 21:14.10 | Monet | There are numerosu occasions where an Orc WAAAGH! has merely been a tool of Eldar origin. |
| 21:14.15 | Luxor | >so we create a god of death |
| 21:14.21 | DanzaDelMondo | So we can fear death |
| 21:14.25 | Luxor | exactly |
| 21:14.26 | DanzaDelMondo | While we experience death |
| 21:14.30 | Hachiman | Eldar prefer not to fight or intervene directly in affairs unless they absolutely have to |
| 21:14.48 | Xho | So as far as I can gather, the War In Heaven = C'tan + Necrontyr vs Old Ones + Eldar + Orks |
| 21:14.48 | Hachiman | A single Eldar life is worth more than 10,000 human lives after all |
| 21:14.52 | Monet | Luxor: Shame there are hardly enough Eldar to manage a second Warp god birth |
| 21:14.55 | OluapPlayer | Eldar are a dying race after they literally raped Slaanesh into existence, so they don't go into battle foten |
| 21:15.05 | OluapPlayer | often* |
| 21:15.20 | Luxor | it's so funny |
| 21:15.21 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: Yeah |
| 21:15.23 | OluapPlayer | The Eye of Terror used to be the Eldar's original homeworlds |
| 21:15.31 | Xho | I wonder what a Necrontyr looked like |
| 21:15.38 | Monet | As far as we know the Old Ones created numerous species to fight the C'tan and Necrons. |
| 21:15.51 | OluapPlayer | Probably like a human since everything in 40k is extremely human-centric |
| 21:15.58 | Hachiman | Um |
| 21:15.59 | Xho | disgusting m8 |
| 21:16.04 | Hachiman | Hardly |
| 21:16.13 | Hachiman | Tau are only roughly humanoid |
| 21:16.21 | Hachiman | Eldar are uncanny humanoids |
| 21:16.25 | OluapPlayer | Don't even deny the setting is centered on humans |
| 21:16.28 | Xho | I could imagine the Necrontyr looking like cadaverous humanoids |
| 21:16.36 | Monet | I imagine at the very least the Necrontyr bore a passing resemblence to the modern Necrons. |
| 21:16.38 | OluapPlayer | isn't* |
| 21:16.43 | Hachiman | It's centred on humans but rubber forehead aliens are extremely uncommon in the setting |
| 21:16.48 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: They also created http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/9/95/Jokaero_Weaponsmith.jpg these guys |
| 21:16.55 | OluapPlayer | BARREL OF MONKEYS |
| 21:16.58 | Xho | >orangutans |
| 21:17.02 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: Fanart usually depicts them as pale skinny humans |
| 21:17.04 | Xho | >ORANGUTANS |
| 21:17.08 | OluapPlayer | yes |
| 21:17.14 | Hachiman | Xho: You wouldn't be wrong given that Necrontyr were born emaciated |
| 21:17.26 | OluapPlayer | Orangutans who aren't sapient but possess the ability of creating incredibly advanced laser guns |
| 21:17.27 | Hachiman | Due to cosmic radiation and whatnot |
| 21:17.36 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: http://orig09.deviantart.net/9ce2/f/2015/305/8/b/necrontyr_by_captain_asparagus-d9f4ohx.png |
| 21:17.45 | Xho | OluapPlayer: this fucking setting tho |
| 21:18.00 | DanzaDelMondo | They basically used to live on a very awful world and lived very short and awful lives |
| 21:18.02 | Xho | DanzaDelMondo: Looks like me when hungover |
| 21:18.08 | DanzaDelMondo | Then they saw the Old Ones and were like |
| 21:18.10 | DanzaDelMondo | "THE FUCK |
| 21:18.14 | OluapPlayer | They're very rare and normally cost an arm and a leg to get |
| 21:18.16 | Monet | If it helps explain things, 40K was born during the early 80s. |
| 21:18.25 | DanzaDelMondo | "THESE FUCKERS CAN ACTUALLY LIVE FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS" |
| 21:18.27 | Xho | OluapPlayer: The tabletop models? |
| 21:18.29 | DanzaDelMondo | "LUCKY FUCKERS" |
| 21:18.31 | DanzaDelMondo | "FUCK THEM" |
| 21:18.34 | OluapPlayer | Xho: Jokaero |
| 21:18.38 | DanzaDelMondo | And so began the war |
| 21:18.42 | Xho | Yeah I mean the Jokaero tabletop models |
| 21:18.50 | DanzaDelMondo | They are rare yeah |
| 21:18.53 | OluapPlayer | I wouldn't know how much they cost |
| 21:19.02 | OluapPlayer | I just know every 40k model is expensive |
| 21:19.20 | DanzaDelMondo | Back in 2006 a normal Guardsman squad used to cost like 1100 roubles |
| 21:19.29 | DanzaDelMondo | So, each guardsman would cost like 100 roubles |
| 21:19.33 | DanzaDelMondo | So that's like |
| 21:19.36 | DanzaDelMondo | Two pounds |
| 21:19.56 | Hachiman | 2 BJs |
| 21:19.57 | DanzaDelMondo | And twenty pounds per squad or so |
| 21:20.03 | Xho | $13.25 for a Jokaero Weaponsmith |
| 21:20.11 | Xho | dat expensive |
| 21:20.33 | DanzaDelMondo | Admittedly you don't need a lot of them |
| 21:20.34 | Monet | Expensive but not an arm and a leg |
| 21:20.36 | DanzaDelMondo | They're very rare |
| 21:20.43 | Xho | So what is the Forge World |
| 21:20.54 | *** join/#sporewiki NeonPanda (65b3507e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.179.80.126) |
| 21:20.56 | DanzaDelMondo | Forge World as in |
| 21:20.58 | DanzaDelMondo | In universe |
| 21:21.00 | DanzaDelMondo | Or out of universe? |
| 21:21.02 | Monet | Collector's models. |
| 21:21.06 | The_Randomness | Hey Panda |
| 21:21.08 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 21:21.12 | OluapPlayer | pondo |
| 21:21.14 | DanzaDelMondo | In-universe forge worlds = AdMech plants |
| 21:21.14 | Xho | Collector's models |
| 21:21.28 | DanzaDelMondo | Out of universe = Company that makes the prettiest Warhammer models |
| 21:21.30 | DanzaDelMondo | Like |
| 21:21.34 | DanzaDelMondo | Even MORE expensive |
| 21:21.36 | drom | Hachiman Xho DanzaDelMondo: #JustTtrpgThings https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/fd/6c/5b/fd6c5b6a08b35cc3017f52e1d1a27a30.jpg |
| 21:21.39 | NeonPanda | OluapPlayer Monet The_Randomness: Hachiman made me do evil things |
| 21:21.42 | Monet | They make a lot of cooler but more limited edition models |
| 21:21.59 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho Hachiman: https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99800107005_InquisitorCoteazNEW01.jpg Holy shit I just realised this guy had a bald eagle |
| 21:21.59 | OluapPlayer | NeonPanda: I worry since you mentioned Hachi in specific made you do it |
| 21:22.08 | Xho | Drom: Is that one of those Oglaf comics |
| 21:22.09 | The_Randomness | wat |
| 21:22.22 | NeonPanda | I may be playing that sea serpent sorcerer after all |
| 21:22.34 | Xho | DanzaDelMondo: That's a two-headed bald eagle |
| 21:22.37 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
| 21:22.40 | OluapPlayer | That's not evil at all |
| 21:22.43 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: Hm |
| 21:22.59 | NeonPanda | DanzaDelMondo: That would be a two-headed cybereagle, bald eagles being extinct :P |
| 21:22.59 | Xho | 278 items for the Space Marines |
| 21:23.00 | DanzaDelMondo | Does that mean that at some point in 40k history Russia and the USA merged? |
| 21:23.02 | Xho | jesus christ why |
| 21:23.05 | The_Randomness | NeonPanda: :o |
| 21:23.13 | DanzaDelMondo | NeonPanda: You sure they are extinct? |
| 21:23.18 | DanzaDelMondo | Like why would they be extinct |
| 21:23.22 | Xho | DanzaDelMondo: Chernobald Eagle because ukraine |
| 21:23.44 | Monet | Xho: Because in the Space Marine Space Marine of the Space Marine there is only Space Marines |
| 21:23.44 | NeonPanda | because those eagles get vat-grown for practical use, like most things |
| 21:23.47 | OluapPlayer | cheeki my breeki |
| 21:23.56 | Hachiman | Because Terra is a fucking burning industrial hellhole |
| 21:24.08 | Xho | I take it the Space Marines are the most popular then |
| 21:24.14 | OluapPlayer | Unfortunately |
| 21:24.15 | Xho | Bastards |
| 21:24.27 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: Yes but it'd be plausible that colonists brought animals from Terra to the Galaxy |
| 21:24.28 | Monet | Ultrasmurfs are GW's poster boys. |
| 21:24.29 | DanzaDelMondo | I mean we have wolves |
| 21:24.30 | Xho | Space Marines are the least interesting though |
| 21:24.33 | DanzaDelMondo | So why not bald eagles |
| 21:24.42 | DanzaDelMondo | Space Marines |
| 21:24.45 | DanzaDelMondo | ARE THE FUCKING WORST |
| 21:24.55 | Monet | Unfortunately the Ultrasmurfs are also the most boring chapter. |
| 21:24.55 | Hachiman | It's implied Fenrisian wolves are not actually wolves though |
| 21:24.55 | NeonPanda | Xho: Space Marines are (or at least were until SUPPLEMENTS) the standard baseline army that are the easiest to get into the hobby with |
| 21:25.06 | drom | Xho: Yes |
| 21:25.11 | drom | https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/91/63/cb/9163cb9d941eaeedd11ce1a35981c5bc.jpg |
| 21:25.14 | Xho | bastards |
| 21:25.16 | drom | This is also Oglaf |
| 21:25.22 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: Yes but like |
| 21:25.22 | Monet | Space marines are pretty flexible. |
| 21:25.24 | NeonPanda | Fenrisian wolves ain't earth doggos, they're aliens that happen to look similar to dogs |
| 21:25.32 | Hachiman | They ain't even aliens |
| 21:25.37 | Hachiman | They're implied to be, well |
| 21:25.38 | Hachiman | Human |
| 21:25.38 | dino82_ | bye bye |
| 21:25.39 | DanzaDelMondo | I mean 40k has rats |
| 21:25.44 | DanzaDelMondo | And birds |
| 21:25.54 | DanzaDelMondo | I mean they have to be some Earth animals |
| 21:26.11 | DanzaDelMondo | Why should the bald eagle be extinct in 40k verse? |
| 21:26.14 | NeonPanda | I think you're putting too much thought into all this tbh :P |
| 21:26.22 | Xho | "Stormbird Landing Assault Force" £845 |
| 21:26.25 | Xho | fuck that |
| 21:26.25 | Monet | Unlike many of the other armies, Space Marines can be fielded for melee preference, ranged preference, defense preference or offensive preference with relative ease |
| 21:26.41 | NeonPanda | Hachiman: well yeah, there's a lot of shenaniganry around that sort of thing |
| 21:26.44 | Hachiman | Eldar keep cats so |
| 21:26.53 | Monet | Psychic cats tho |
| 21:26.59 | NeonPanda | psychic alien cats tho |
| 21:27.09 | Xho | psykitties |
| 21:27.14 | Wormydroid | Earth felids? |
| 21:27.46 | NeonPanda | you'd think they'd be more inclined to be doted upon by a blindly loyal mutt than have to constantly out-sass a cat |
| 21:28.01 | Monet | But that makes total sense |
| 21:28.15 | OluapPlayer | Cats can be lovable |
| 21:28.20 | OluapPlayer | but no one likes the eldar |
| 21:28.29 | NeonPanda | eldar like the eldar |
| 21:28.30 | Monet | Eldar are supremely arrogant. Cats are also supremely arrogant. They're made for each other. |
| 21:28.31 | Hachiman | But... love can bloom on a battlefield |
| 21:28.33 | NeonPanda | and that's all that matter :P |
| 21:28.43 | OluapPlayer | No one cares for the Eldar's opinion tho |
| 21:28.54 | Xho | What about the Dark Eldar |
| 21:28.59 | NeonPanda | the Eldar care about the Eldar's opinion, and that's all that matters :P |
| 21:29.12 | OluapPlayer | they're dyin tho |
| 21:29.13 | Hachiman | Dark Eldar are essentially the 'true' Eldar |
| 21:29.14 | Monet | OluaPlayer: And a lot of plants have been fucked over for it. |
| 21:29.45 | NeonPanda | Xho: all eldar are above all loyal to the eldar race, as much as they nark at each other infighting is avoided as much as possible |
| 21:29.48 | OluapPlayer | Dark Eldar are the Eldar but with 300% more BDSM |
| 21:29.56 | Xho | hawt |
| 21:30.26 | OluapPlayer | well i think ur an elf fanboy |
| 21:30.27 | OluapPlayer | fukin elves |
| 21:30.43 | Xho | hawt tho |
| 21:30.50 | NeonPanda | way back when I did doubles games my friend and I had a running storyline that my archon was constantly trying to tempt his archon into doing naughty things, since they seemed to keep running into each other |
| 21:30.51 | Xho | Or is it actually not |
| 21:31.02 | OluapPlayer | It's the bloody kind of BDSM |
| 21:31.03 | NeonPanda | Xho: depends on how kinky you are |
| 21:31.13 | Hachiman | They're also heavy into sexual mutilation, rape, drug abuse, necrophilia, coprophilia, intense omnisexuality, bloodletting, etc |
| 21:31.13 | Xho | One would be surprised |
| 21:31.20 | Xho | Okay not that much |
| 21:31.37 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.39 | NeonPanda | yeah there are literally no taboos in Dark Eldar society, with the sole exception of psychic stuff |
| 21:31.46 | OluapPlayer | Good news is the Warp is about to breach into their sole city, so they'll probably get destroyed soon (tm) |
| 21:32.03 | Xho | Monet: Probably |
| 21:32.15 | Xho | So where is the actual 40K story kept |
| 21:32.23 | NeonPanda | well, the satellite realms will all be like fuck no but Commorragh is pretty boned assuming Malys stops being dumb |
| 21:32.25 | Monet | Dark Eldar literally have a cult of scandily-clad women who dance around the battlefield wearing practically nothing murdering people. |
| 21:32.26 | Hachiman | There's hardly a single story |
| 21:32.31 | Xho | 40K stories kept |
| 21:32.39 | Monet | Xho: Black Library |
| 21:32.40 | Hachiman | The Black Library (presumably) |
| 21:32.55 | NeonPanda | Xho: all over the place- most of it's in individual Codexes, though a lot of the deeper lore is in the books |
| 21:32.58 | NeonPanda | as in, the novels |
| 21:33.04 | Hachiman | What bothers me is how inconsistent artists are when drawing Eldar |
| 21:33.08 | Xho | ain't nobody got time 4 reedin dat |
| 21:33.16 | Monet | The thing is with a hole emerging in Commaggrah is that place is MASSIVE. |
| 21:33.31 | Hachiman | They're supposed to stand equal to the height of the average Astartes yet people draw them being equal height to normal humans a lot of the time |
| 21:33.49 | OluapPlayer | Yeah but it's a hole into the Warp which's literally infinite Hell |
| 21:34.11 | NeonPanda | oh don't get me wrong, Commorragh itself is a massive cornerstone of the Dark Eldar, but the satellite realms will be able to cut and run, to an extent |
| 21:34.16 | Xho | Astartes being Space Marines right |
| 21:34.19 | Monet | My point is it will take time for demons to overrun the place. |
| 21:34.20 | NeonPanda | not entirely fucked |
| 21:34.20 | Hachiman | Yes |
| 21:34.21 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 21:34.30 | Xho | spess mahreens |
| 21:34.48 | NeonPanda | Xho: Adeptus Astartes = supersmurfs, Adepta Sororitas = bolter barbies |
| 21:34.54 | Xho | kek |
| 21:35.04 | Xho | Wait hold on Adepta Sororitas |
| 21:35.09 | Xho | Are we talking about gun nuns here |
| 21:35.09 | OluapPlayer | Sister of Battle |
| 21:35.16 | Monet | Gun nuns yeah |
| 21:35.20 | Hachiman | This is why the Dark Eldar have decided to get some help in from a bunch of rogue AdMechs |
| 21:35.22 | NeonPanda | mhm, gun nuns, bolter barbies, there's lots of names for them |
| 21:35.24 | OluapPlayer | All-female army of ultra zealot arsonists |
| 21:35.31 | Hachiman | Bolter bitches |
| 21:35.34 | Xho | 40K Feminazis |
| 21:35.49 | NeonPanda | I mean they do have a tendency to have their tits hanging out |
| 21:35.50 | OluapPlayer | Not feminazis, just ultra zealots for the Emperor |
| 21:36.14 | Xho | femicrazies |
| 21:36.38 | Monet | General way to describe a Space marine I guess is...take Achilles, make an army of him, clad him in tank-level armour and give him a grenade launcher that fires like an AK-47 |
| 21:36.40 | OluapPlayer | Still they're one of the most unfavorite factions to Games Workshop and they're generally only used to be slaughtered by Gray Knights |
| 21:36.52 | NeonPanda | OluapPlayer: You know nothing |
| 21:36.56 | Xho | Who afaik are also super unpopular |
| 21:37.17 | OluapPlayer | For that reason, among others |
| 21:37.18 | NeonPanda | Adepta Sororitas are actually one of the fan favourite factions, it's just they've never actually had a plastic product line until now |
| 21:37.20 | Monet | The whole "Sororitas slaughtered by Grey Knights" was like one story. |
| 21:37.27 | OluapPlayer | NeonPanda: >to Games Workshop |
| 21:37.31 | OluapPlayer | Not to the community |
| 21:37.40 | Xho | >Living Saint the fuck is going on here |
| 21:37.48 | NeonPanda | and they don't get slaughtered, they willingly give up a few drops of blood here and there to bless armour |
| 21:37.56 | Monet | Xho: Partial proof the Emperor is semi-divine at the very least |
| 21:38.07 | NeonPanda | Xho: what it says on the box, living saint of the Emperor who got brought back to life by SPACE MAGIC |
| 21:38.34 | OluapPlayer | When GW's writing goes full retard, the Emperor is essentially at Chaos God-level |
| 21:38.37 | Hachiman | NeonPanda: Except that one time where a bunch of Grey Knights ACTUALLY slaughtered them |
| 21:38.56 | NeonPanda | there's been one time when any given imperial faction slaughtered any other given imperial faction |
| 21:39.05 | drom | http://media.oglaf.com/comic/dimorphism_UDUx161.jpg (oglaf-little-nsfw) |
| 21:39.07 | Hachiman | I mean, that is true |
| 21:39.44 | Monet | But GKs bathign themselves in nun blood afaik only happened in one story/codex entry. |
| 21:39.56 | Hachiman | People who I find the most retarded are those who talk about fallen Sororitas becoming Slaanesh cultists when they would totally be Khornate |
| 21:40.13 | NeonPanda | tbh they'd be into either |
| 21:40.26 | NeonPanda | not tzeentch because WITCHCRAFT HERESY AND MUTASHUN |
| 21:40.30 | NeonPanda | maybe nurgle |
| 21:40.36 | OluapPlayer | nurgle or bust |
| 21:40.43 | NeonPanda | nurgle AND bust in this case |
| 21:40.44 | NeonPanda | kill me |
| 21:40.47 | OluapPlayer | dur |
| 21:41.18 | Monet | What happens when nuns get a taste of life outside an ascetic lifestyle? This : http://9502-presscdn-0-95.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/scene-from-black-narcissus.jpg |
| 21:41.23 | NeonPanda | I was actually going to make a nurgle biker army once, back when being toughness 6 with a 3+ armour save meant anything |
| 21:41.25 | Xho | As far as I can gather the Imperium of Man is pretty Khornate in itself just without Khorne |
| 21:41.50 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: Yes I *hate* that |
| 21:41.56 | OluapPlayer | All the time they spend killing each other definitely pleases Khorne |
| 21:41.57 | DanzaDelMondo | I mean they are nutty aggressive bitched |
| 21:41.58 | DanzaDelMondo | bitches |
| 21:42.07 | DanzaDelMondo | And you expect them to become hedonistic sluts? |
| 21:42.12 | NeonPanda | then they made DAngles and grav weapons |
| 21:42.12 | *** join/#sporewiki Tek0516 (uid149600@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omoxaugvrzmujsyp) |
| 21:42.21 | OluapPlayer | Of course people would, they're an army of females |
| 21:42.31 | DanzaDelMondo | Hey guys, wouldn't anyone object if I call that misogynist? |
| 21:42.33 | OluapPlayer | gotta wank fast |
| 21:42.37 | DanzaDelMondo | Because that's misogynist |
| 21:42.45 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.58 | Hachiman | I am sexually intimidated |
| 21:43.08 | NeonPanda | the real reason why Hachiman never gets any |
| 21:43.11 | Monet | If anyone gets my movie reference you get asticker. |
| 21:43.26 | Xho | Hachiman: becomesexuallyintimidating.wav |
| 21:43.48 | DanzaDelMondo | I mean I once brought up on /tg/ - as a joke, even - and people somehow became offended |
| 21:43.59 | DanzaDelMondo | The word misogyny infuriated them for some reason, I wonder why |
| 21:44.13 | DrodoEmpire | Its become a buzzword |
| 21:44.19 | OluapPlayer | Probably because you're bringing this stuff up in a tabletop gaming board |
| 21:44.33 | DrodoEmpire | And that |
| 21:44.43 | The_Randomness | Hachiman: when are you planning on starting? jw |
| 21:44.54 | DanzaDelMondo | OluapPlayer: But can I bring up stupid? |
| 21:44.58 | DanzaDelMondo | It's stupid |
| 21:45.11 | DrodoEmpire | How about you stop dancing around words? >.< |
| 21:45.11 | Hachiman | The_Randomness: Soon, just gotta get some stuff done first |
| 21:45.24 | OluapPlayer | You can but not a lot of people care for your opinion in an anonymous forum |
| 21:45.45 | Xho | >be anon >get raged at >your own fault |
| 21:45.49 | The_Randomness | Hachiman: alright, no rush |
| 21:45.55 | DanzaDelMondo | I just do not like that we cannot call out things that are genuinely stupid and/or misogynistic |
| 21:46.09 | Xho | Welcome to 2017 |
| 21:46.10 | DrodoEmpire | You can |
| 21:46.23 | DanzaDelMondo | That, ahem, unpleasant people overuse it does not mean that misogyny does not exist or something |
| 21:46.36 | Hachiman | Just gonna say, since things irl have been fairly hectic, I'd not expect much more than a world intro and RP to get the ball going |
| 21:46.41 | *** join/#sporewiki Wormydroid (5f97d5f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.151.213.245) |
| 21:46.44 | DanzaDelMondo | I |
| 21:46.46 | NeonPanda | that's what I was expecting anyway |
| 21:46.48 | The_Randomness | that's fine |
| 21:46.49 | DrodoEmpire | Everybody knows that :p |
| 21:46.58 | DanzaDelMondo | And now we cannot call out stupid things because EVIL FEMINISTS |
| 21:47.10 | NeonPanda | hell I could throw together a quick random encounter table if you wanted |
| 21:47.11 | Xho | Changing the topic slightly but how exactly does D&D work |
| 21:47.13 | Xho | Never quite understood it |
| 21:47.17 | Hachiman | Did you just assume my -ism |
| 21:47.21 | OluapPlayer | What I want to know is where's the section |
| 21:47.30 | DanzaDelMondo | "Hey guys that thing is stupid" |
| 21:47.32 | DrodoEmpire | Or maybe they disagree with your assessment Impy |
| 21:47.35 | DanzaDelMondo | "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU A FEMINAZI" |
| 21:47.41 | Hachiman | Xho: Dice rolling and maths |
| 21:47.46 | Xho | I lose |
| 21:47.47 | DrodoEmpire | or maybe they simply don't care |
| 21:47.52 | NeonPanda | not necessarily maths, depending on the system |
| 21:47.54 | Hachiman | And a general grasp of roleplaying and imagination |
| 21:48.02 | DanzaDelMondo | DrodoEmpire: They cared if they posted |
| 21:48.04 | Monet | ALso mix in a bit of RPGs |
| 21:48.09 | NeonPanda | in Pathfinder (what we play) yes maths, but in several systems there's not really maths |
| 21:48.17 | DanzaDelMondo | And I was not even seriously calling out on it, I was not having a rant |
| 21:48.29 | DrodoEmpire | Right. |
| 21:48.38 | Monet | If you're familiar with video game RPGs, you will understand the fundamental concepts of D&D |
| 21:48.41 | OluapPlayer | You failed the moment you expected civil conversation in an anonymous imageboard |
| 21:48.42 | Hachiman | You can very easily just play a basic game of D&D without having to introduce modifiers and keep it to just rolling a d20 most of the time |
| 21:48.52 | OluapPlayer | Ranting to us isn't going to make them treat you any better |
| 21:49.01 | DrodoEmpire | Then yeah alright dumb people exist, especially on anonymous messageboards |
| 21:49.17 | Hachiman | Anons who namefag are the worst |
| 21:49.19 | DrodoEmpire | That doesn't mean society's suddenly changed into this place where you can never call things stupid |
| 21:49.26 | DanzaDelMondo | The post was like "Why are Chaos Sisters all Slaaneshi, is it someone's fetish, or maybe MUHSOGUNY"? |
| 21:49.36 | Hachiman | my soggy knee |
| 21:49.43 | The_Randomness | ew |
| 21:49.43 | OluapPlayer | Hachiman: bet u namefag and ur trip is "no dik steev" |
| 21:49.49 | Hachiman | ;-; |
| 21:49.54 | DanzaDelMondo | And people be like "the fuck how can you use that word even as a joke eveil feminists" |
| 21:50.15 | Xho | What's namefagging |
| 21:50.20 | DanzaDelMondo | DrodoEmpire: It's annoying, that's just what I say |
| 21:50.24 | OluapPlayer | Giving yourself a name in an anonymous forum |
| 21:50.35 | DanzaDelMondo | Like people here say how Tumblr progressives are annoying |
| 21:50.46 | OluapPlayer | It's frowned upon because it comes across as attention whoring |
| 21:50.47 | DanzaDelMondo | I can say the same of people of other political backgrounds |
| 21:50.48 | Xho | lel |
| 21:50.52 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 21:51.00 | Xho | Just sign up to 4chan or something |
| 21:51.08 | Hachiman | >sign up to 4chan |
| 21:51.14 | DrodoEmpire | (And I wish it was just on Tumblr) |
| 21:51.15 | Xho | Then again that's like gnawing your soul away |
| 21:51.22 | Hachiman | Point of 4chan is that you don't need to sign up |
| 21:51.32 | Xho | Wow I'm bad at internet |
| 21:51.47 | Hachiman | You can literally drop in, leave comments or make a thread, and drop out |
| 21:51.54 | OluapPlayer | dingus level = master |
| 21:51.57 | Hachiman | All while remaining anonymous |
| 21:52.08 | Xho | So why would one be anonymous if there's an opportunity to not be anonymous |
| 21:52.09 | Xho | wut is this |
| 21:52.26 | OluapPlayer | because no one likes attention whores to see the need to identify themselves |
| 21:52.35 | OluapPlayer | Anonymity = no repercussions for what you say |
| 21:52.38 | NeonPanda | because people have anonymity balls, so as to say they're cowards the moment there's something actually linking to them |
| 21:53.07 | Hachiman | Sometimes people use names because they're running a thread that requires some sense of consistency |
| 21:53.09 | Xho | So don't be a dick I guess |
| 21:53.18 | Xho | Although this is 4chan |
| 21:53.22 | OluapPlayer | Wrong, everyone's a dick because there's no repercussions |
| 21:53.30 | Xho | paradox |
| 21:53.33 | Xho | paradoxes everywhere |
| 21:53.34 | Monet | DanzaDelMondo: Speaking of which http://satwcomic.com/equal-fight |
| 21:53.34 | OluapPlayer | 4chan is the place you go to let out your inner ragetard |
| 21:53.49 | Hachiman | FUCKING NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 21:53.56 | OluapPlayer | Case in point |
| 21:54.10 | Hachiman | tfw no gf |
| 21:54.55 | Xho | Isn't /r9k/ like the bottom of humanity's barrel |
| 21:55.02 | NeonPanda | I still laughed when that came up in the "You can make any two words sound like an anime name if you put 'no' in the middle" |
| 21:55.04 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 21:55.06 | Hachiman | Either /r9k/ or /b/ |
| 21:55.16 | Hachiman | olol |
| 21:55.19 | OluapPlayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.27 | Xho | I remember /b/ being bad |
| 21:55.38 | Hachiman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.56 | OluapPlayer | Yes. /b/ is just people posting whatever they want |
| 21:56.09 | DanzaDelMondo | There's /pol/ |
| 21:56.17 | Hachiman | I've seen people post some seriously creepy and sickening shit on /b/ mind you |
| 21:56.17 | Xho | afaik /r9k/ is where school shooters reside |
| 21:56.18 | OluapPlayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.21 | DanzaDelMondo | The best way to enjoy /pol/ is just to read these guys |
| 21:56.22 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 21:56.24 | DanzaDelMondo | It's hilarious |
| 21:56.42 | OluapPlayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.43 | Xho | No wonder it's called robot 9000 |
| 21:56.47 | DanzaDelMondo | Like you do not participate you just watch them post |
| 21:56.48 | OluapPlayer | They're both the worst cesspools of that site |
| 21:57.00 | Xho | Bite the pillow, I'm going into 4chan |
| 21:57.09 | DanzaDelMondo | Well, /pol /acks are intelligent in some ways, they're just... misguided |
| 21:57.26 | DanzaDelMondo | They are generally versed somewhat in history and politics, albeit from an extremely biased PoV |
| 21:57.28 | OluapPlayer | I'm not interested in what good qualities you can see in them |
| 21:57.33 | The_Randomness | Hachiman: are we using Skype or Discord? jw |
| 21:57.39 | OluapPlayer | I've given the place a look before, it's shit |
| 21:57.44 | OluapPlayer | Utter irredeemable shit |
| 21:57.45 | NeonPanda | oh right I should turn on my main pc |
| 21:57.48 | DanzaDelMondo | They are still much less smart than they think they are |
| 21:58.01 | DanzaDelMondo | Their ignorance is so stupid it can be hilarious |
| 21:58.05 | DanzaDelMondo | Like, say |
| 21:58.17 | Xho | test |
| 21:58.19 | DanzaDelMondo | "The Muslims caused the Dark Ages" |
| 21:58.20 | Xho | gah |
| 21:58.25 | OluapPlayer | You think they're funny, I find it anger-inducing |
| 21:58.37 | Xho | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.45 | Hachiman | The_Randomness: Was thinking Skype but Discord might be better |
| 21:58.52 | Hachiman | Dunno how to set up a channel though |
| 21:59.27 | Monet | Humour is subjective |
| 21:59.45 | NeonPanda | Hachiman: I got you covered |
| 22:00.04 | NeonPanda | it's almost like I foresaw the possibility of using Discord for D&D and got everyone on my channel :P |
| 22:00.07 | Xho | "You continually remind me that physical violence is the only way to get you to listen" my sides |
| 22:00.37 | OluapPlayer | dats bullshit but i believe it |
| 22:01.06 | Monet | Actually before we start I need to cook some food. |
| 22:01.28 | Hachiman | >cooking >at 10PM |
| 22:02.37 | Xho | Okay I hit the bad part of /r9k/ |
| 22:02.39 | Xho | Here we go |
| 22:03.28 | OluapPlayer | I'm done talking about 4chan |
| 22:03.46 | Monet | Hachiman: And what's wrong with that |
| 22:03.51 | Xho | Yeah I think I'm gonna pull out of this site |
| 22:03.58 | Xho | Humanity is virulent |
| 22:04.03 | Hachiman | Seems a little late to be cooking |
| 22:04.11 | Monet | I'm a night owl |
| 22:04.17 | Xho | They often have dinner at 10 or so in Spain |
| 22:04.23 | Xho | Then again it's fucking hot in Spain |
| 22:04.39 | OluapPlayer | olé |
| 22:04.59 | Xho | I should really get back to wiki editing but I'm too depressed to try atm |
| 22:05.23 | Xho | My doctor diagnosed me with moderate - severe depression and didn't put me on meds |
| 22:05.32 | Xho | Doctors are meant to be smart |
| 22:05.39 | Hachiman | You should be thankful they didn't put you on meds |
| 22:05.45 | Hachiman | Otherwise you'd be feeling far worse |
| 22:05.57 | Xho | As long as work is a factor of my depression it won't be managed |
| 22:06.01 | Xho | the* |
| 22:06.01 | Monet | Lately I think doctors are more hesitant to solve psychological issues with medication. |
| 22:06.16 | Xho | I have to do another five months of work and I could be much worse by then |
| 22:06.54 | Monet | You could go back to your doctor and see what they suggest for alleviating depression. |
| 22:07.09 | Xho | Well they did that 5 steps to wellbeing thing |
| 22:07.12 | Xho | Fuck if that worked |
| 22:07.24 | OluapPlayer | NeonPanda Hachiman Monet: Do you still have the sheets for your dwarves? I was thinking, if we get the ball rolling in Hachi's game we could go back to the Dwarf Fort one |
| 22:07.28 | Hachiman | They recommended some support groups forme |
| 22:07.32 | Hachiman | I do |
| 22:07.52 | NeonPanda | Monet's sheet is gone but could potentially be remade |
| 22:07.55 | Hachiman | Keep in mind I offered to run because I thought you weren't going to anymore :p |
| 22:08.03 | OluapPlayer | fuk off emoji |
| 22:08.03 | Xho | "Walk to someoneâs desk instead of calling or emailing" I'm not actually allowed to do that |
| 22:08.09 | OluapPlayer | If you can motivate me, I could run again |
| 22:08.18 | OluapPlayer | I felt no motivation back when I tried to run |
| 22:08.21 | Xho | My place of work is so slave-like that you can't even look at your phone for messages |
| 22:08.21 | Hachiman | I'll suck your dick if you run again |
| 22:08.29 | OluapPlayer | Okay i'm out of the game then |
| 22:08.35 | Hachiman | ;-; |
| 22:08.50 | Xho | Impyling Hachi's fellatio skills are roughly Level 1 |
| 22:08.54 | DrodoEmpire | https://scontent.fyhz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15622369_388416294840635_9055212364930899451_n.jpg?oh=a3402e296240db879426324a029bff81&oe=58B6E8F5 |
| 22:08.55 | DrodoEmpire | discuss |
| 22:09.02 | DrodoEmpire | (personally I disagree with the conclusion) |
| 22:09.13 | OluapPlayer | dumb trolley meme |
| 22:09.13 | Monet | Xho: What about social engagement outside work? |
| 22:09.15 | OluapPlayer | deres me 2 cents |
| 22:09.23 | DrodoEmpire | Trolley memes are the best |
| 22:09.28 | Xho | Monet: All well and good but I'm a social outsider when it comes to work |
| 22:09.29 | DrodoEmpire | >: |
| 22:09.35 | OluapPlayer | if u got SHIT TASTE sur |
| 22:09.43 | DrodoEmpire | >': |
| 22:09.46 | The_Randomness | DrodoEmpire: moral luck |
| 22:10.46 | The_Randomness | DrodoEmpire: basically the same scenario was presented here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpDSPVv8lUE |
| 22:10.57 | Monet | "I used to be a thought-provoking thought experiment like you, then I became a meme" |
| 22:10.59 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 22:11.00 | Xho | Also since it takes virtually no intellectual skill to get into this place I'm not mentally stimulated by conversation or any work |
| 22:11.39 | DrodoEmpire | Honestly I love this meme, its spawned a lot of variations that're actually sorta thought provoking or just funny |
| 22:11.44 | Xho | Some guy is earning £10,000 more than me a year and he can't string a fucking sentence together |
| 22:12.04 | Xho | Actually multiple people are like that |
| 22:12.21 | Xho | I have to fucking work for THEIR bonuses and commissions |
| 22:12.29 | Xho | I could take a fucking brick to their heads |
| 22:12.30 | OluapPlayer | That's where our tastes differ but just do what you like really |
| 22:14.01 | Xho | They all complain about the work situation and then start being dicks to people to get ahead |
| 22:14.05 | Xho | show ponies the lot of them |
| 22:16.38 | Monet | The hardest part of self-improvement is working up the courage to change a habit. |
| 22:16.54 | DanzaDelMondo | Who mentioned ponies here |
| 22:16.55 | Xho | Uni is the habit change |
| 22:16.56 | DrodoEmpire | https://scontent.fyhz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/15319268_379623742386557_972434789161612251_n.jpg?oh=515d2cd1e60b36fba5a9cb7080a71f47&oe=58B1672F |
| 22:16.58 | Monet | That and keeping at it even if it doesn't at first seem to be working. |
| 22:17.04 | Xho | It isn't coming quickly enough |
| 22:17.14 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: >roughtly level 1 |
| 22:17.17 | DanzaDelMondo | But he has experience |
| 22:17.24 | DanzaDelMondo | He should be level 10 or so |
| 22:17.38 | The_Randomness | DrodoEmpire: lol |
| 22:17.43 | Xho | ouch |
| 22:21.26 | Monet | Xho: What about the other steps? |
| 22:21.35 | Xho | That was it as far as I was told |
| 22:22.25 | Monet | Talk to people, be active, keep learning, be charitable and be mindful of the moment |
| 22:23.07 | Xho | All well and good but I'm in an environment where humanity is not valued |
| 22:25.44 | Monet | Don't rely on other people. |
| 22:26.11 | Monet | I have an audiobook in my Audible library that could help with 3 and 5: Mindset by Caroline Dweck. |
| 22:38.50 | *** join/#sporewiki Liquid_Ink (79d0cd9d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.208.205.157) |
| 22:45.20 | Monet | It's an amazing insight into understanding and developing a growth-minded mentality. |
| 22:56.22 | DanzaDelMondo | OluapPlayer: Can we RP the final part of my Borealis War introduction now? |
| 22:56.32 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 22:57.04 | OluapPlayer | Do you have a pad? |
| 22:57.21 | DanzaDelMondo | One sec |
| 22:58.47 | DanzaDelMondo | http://piratepad.net/kwxTEASY62 |
| 23:01.08 | NeonPanda | Eberron halflings: -2 to strength, +1 to dinosaur |
| 23:01.11 | NeonPanda | I laughed a little too much |
| 23:36.03 | Technobliterator | I forgot how to javascript :| |
| 23:38.04 | DrodoEmpire | wat |
| 23:38.38 | Monet | Done with noms |
| 23:40.59 | The_Randomness | :o |
| 23:41.10 | The_Randomness | Is Hachi ready yet? |
| 23:41.56 | NeonPanda | today in Dawn of War's AI is retarded: Eldar Farseer furiously gyrates in place while multiple Tau shoot her in the face |
| 23:42.29 | Monet | Maybe she thinks she can dodge plasma bolts |
| 23:43.54 | Monet | Or she saw a future where doing that would save her life. |
| 23:44.42 | NeonPanda | well, whatever the case may be she got shot repeatedly and died |
| 23:45.23 | Monet | Eh, sometimes the strands of fate are misread. |
| 23:46.53 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer NeonPanda The_Randomness Monet: Right let's have a go |
| 23:47.05 | OluapPlayer | took u long enough jebus |
| 23:47.18 | Hachiman | Yeah there was stuff |
| 23:47.58 | NeonPanda | random and I are both in discord |
| 23:48.39 | drom | Technobliterator: You've doooooomed us all! |
| 23:48.51 | Technobliterator | :| |
| 23:48.58 | Technobliterator | I'm stuck on my assignment |
| 23:49.20 | Technobliterator | because I forgot how to use javascript to make an image pop up when clicked |
| 23:51.19 | *** join/#sporewiki Tybusen (4405aee9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.5.174.233) |
| 23:52.23 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 23:52.24 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 23:52.30 | drom | Technobliterator: Just being a jerk. But anyway. You know how to grab the document element? And how keep an element hidden from start? |
| 23:52.42 | Technobliterator | mhm |
| 23:53.57 | drom | Change the one bit that keeps the hidden element hidden, so it shows up. If you already hooked up an "onClick" event listener to the element you want to "listen" to. |
