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00:25.06Quark8Hello Tybunsen.
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03:28.45Spluff5Hi
03:36.49DrodoEmpireHi
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04:08.31Spluff5Do any of you guys know a way to figure out what color the oceans on a planet would appear if they weren't filled with water?
04:14.22DrodoEmpireIn Spore?
04:15.10DrodoEmpireBecause I mean... Hate to say this kiddo but IRL an ocean without water is what we call "land"
04:15.45DrodoEmpireAnd land's either green or beige by my estimation
04:15.50DrodoEmpire<.<
04:22.16Liquid_InkIsn't the sea floor largely sand and rock, so beiges and grey?
04:22.36Liquid_InkOr do you mean different liquids, like ammonia or argon?
04:22.42Liquid_InkNot argon
04:22.45Liquid_InkMethane
04:24.17Spluff5I mean ammonia in this case
04:24.28DrodoEmpireI dunno, I'm just being a dick
04:24.35Spluff5I have a cold planet that has oceans of ammonia
04:24.56DrodoEmpireIn either case I don't have a brilliant answer, somebody like Wormy or Ghel might be able to help but they aren't here
04:25.19DrodoEmpireI'm more of a history/geography sorta guy :p
04:27.25Spluff5Yeah, I'm not there yet
04:27.36DrodoEmpireAhh
04:27.46DrodoEmpireI could help with that if you wish, once you get there
04:27.52Spluff5Although, that will be interesting with some of my species, especially the really alien ones
04:28.14DrodoEmpireI have a pretty good grasp of ancient societies, and especially military history and how the landscape affected history
04:28.24DrodoEmpireThat sorta thing could be applied to aliens yeah
04:29.01DrodoEmpireI'd never say I'm an 'expert', far from it >.< but I read a lot in that sorta thing and it will be what I study
04:32.45Spluff5There's was a lot of racism for the Virloyds between different flower colors so I'll probably ask you about that.
04:33.30DrodoEmpireAh
04:33.33DrodoEmpireEthnic tensions
04:36.43Spluff5Differently colored Virloyds can attract pollinators with varying degrees of success and so that what the opressors used as an excuse I think.
04:36.56DrodoEmpireAhh
04:37.00DrodoEmpireAh, damn
04:37.08DrodoEmpireGetting late, so I should go
04:37.19Spluff5Oh, bye
04:37.39DrodoEmpireI'll leave this on, so if there's anything important you can private message me for me to see by morning
04:37.41DrodoEmpireBye!
04:39.19Liquid_Inkhttp://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/3090/what-would-an-ammonia-based-world-look-like Nothing to do with colour, but has some other interesting ideas
04:41.34The_RandomnessI'll check it out in a bit, currently finishing up an assignment
06:13.18The_Randomnessfalls over
06:13.32The_RandomnessI just spent the past 15 hours working almost non-stop on stuff for my classes
06:13.35The_Randomnessbut that's all over now
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08:30.33HachimanHi
08:30.41The_Randomnessboop
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09:15.40GhelaeHello.
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09:29.01Groxkiller98Heya.
09:29.06GhelaeHello.
09:31.07Groxkiller98https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO8yvmIkwsw - Dear god, I wish this creator was on the wiki...
09:31.36Groxkiller98She could rival Xho in flashness of her models!
09:36.09HachimanAh yes, I am subscribed to DarkEdge
09:36.34Groxkiller98As am I. On Youtube and Spore.
09:36.48HachimanThing is, I believe she uses more mods than we usually do
09:36.59Groxkiller98XD
09:37.16Groxkiller98No doubt there.
09:39.35Groxkiller98Still an awesome builder.
09:41.30HachimanOf course
09:46.31TybusenActually, looking at her channel description, she's Rebecca1208
09:46.43TybusenWho I'm pretty sure was a SporeWiki user at one point long ago
09:46.52HachimanSounds familiar yes
09:47.46Tybusenhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User%3ARebecca1208 here we are
09:48.06Tybusenlast edit 6 years ago rip
09:49.01Groxkiller98Wow...
09:50.34TybusenBased on how that userpage is formatted, the last time she was here we didn't have the Darkspore wiki skin yet
10:01.23Groxkiller98I'm still jealous of Rebbeca as a creator. >_>
10:02.04Groxkiller98To be fair, though, I'm jealous of most people, including you lot, as creators.
10:08.54HachimanI value people here more on their skill for writing rather than skill for modelling personally
10:09.22Groxkiller98As do I, but you guys still make me jealous.
10:09.36Groxkiller98In modeling AND writing.
10:26.25Groxkiller98Say, is there any chance of the Xonexi Allies and Delpha Coalition of Planets falling into another conflict any time soon?
10:29.53GhelaeI would say no.
10:30.42Liquid_InkI think Wormy wanted the DCP to rise again, but there aren't any formal plans so far
10:30.42Groxkiller98Fair enough.
10:31.31Groxkiller98Oh, Liquid, I was going to ask if you could help me work on my Essence-User's powers, since he's running on your one.
10:31.43Liquid_InkSure
10:31.45Groxkiller98Gotta go for now though. >_>
10:31.51Groxkiller98Be back soonish to work on it.
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10:48.59Groxkiller98Back!
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11:42.43Groxkiller98Hehe. I'm thinking of having a War Clan that behave like Orks on some level. Anger management issues. And 'angry management' issues!
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11:44.23Groxkiller98Hey, Oluap.
11:47.40HachimanGroxkiller98: I would say that the War Clan would be more inclined to behave like World Eaters than Orks
11:47.57HachimanOrks are not outright angry as they are boisterous and loud
11:48.07Groxkiller98True.
11:48.41Groxkiller98I wanna take a bit of Orks though, mix it with World Eaters. Maybe throw some Imperial Guard into it.
11:49.01HachimanEh, depends what you'd take I suppose
11:49.43Groxkiller98Yeah.
11:49.51HachimanA War Clan is supposed to be an organised military unit, right? 'Organised' and 'regimented', the most important aspects to a military unit, are not really aspects you'd associate with Orks
11:50.00Groxkiller98Well, yeah.
11:50.20Groxkiller98They might be one of the few that ran away to join the Xhodocto. Not that they'd be accepted by them.
11:50.47Groxkiller98Basically, a few abandoned the Republic and decided to fight for the Xhodocto cults.
11:51.03HachimanRight
11:51.05Groxkiller98I'd say they're like a regiment of a Space Marine chapter.
11:51.17HachimanYou mean a Company?
11:51.22Groxkiller98Yeah.
11:51.54Groxkiller98And the few Xhodocto-aligned ones would be like Chaos Marines.
11:52.17HachimanI'd take more basis from the World Eaters and / or Night Lords if you want violent, angry traitors with limited numbers in that case
11:52.44Groxkiller98Right. Thanks for the suggestion!
11:55.02Groxkiller98Orks are cool though. :3
11:55.28Groxkiller98The big War Boss points them somewhere, and they charge at it with a vague goal of "Have a good fight."
11:55.42HachimanOrks are indeed cool
11:55.57Groxkiller98Also... WAAAGH! :D
11:57.14Groxkiller98And they also know the one truth! Never enough Dakka!
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12:07.33NeonPandahi all
12:07.40OluapPlayerHi
12:07.47Groxkiller98Heya.
12:08.18GhelaeHello.
12:10.03Groxkiller98I'm off for now. Bye.
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13:47.52CyrannianHello
13:49.20OluapPlayerHi
13:51.58CyrannianHai, danke for the quotes on the Dominion page
13:55.03GhelaeHello.
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14:10.06ImpyDroidHachiman: I was called transphobic on Tumblr for the first time
14:10.08ImpyDroidYay
14:10.17HachimanCongratulations
14:12.13ImpyDroidNow I know I have achieved something in my life
14:13.05ImpyDroidHachiman: For my comment arguing *against* transphobia, in fact
14:13.48HachimanFeminists and liberals are retards, surprise
14:14.53ImpyDroidWell admittedlt
14:15.20ImpyDroidThe other side is not better either
14:16.08ImpyDroidOne guy on YouTube tried to tell me that Nazism is not in fact racist
14:16.15HachimanAt least the right doesn't try to eat itself to my knowledge
14:16.17ImpyDroidAnd was very offended when people called Nazism Nazism
14:16.27ImpyDroidOh they do
14:16.48ImpyDroidThey will disagree on the definition of white
14:17.05ImpyDroidSome far-right groups criticise Pegida as a Jewish false-flag operation
14:17.10ImpyDroidEt cetera et cetera
14:17.48ImpyDroidFar-right groups screech as they call ordinary Islamophobes  cowards for ignoring race
14:18.16ImpyDroidOr for example nationalists in Russia rise up against Putin because they deem him not authoritarian enough
14:18.47ImpyDroidNationalism in Russia is very much fractured
14:19.06ImpyDroidBetween Putinists and non-Putinists
14:19.08ImpyDroidEtc
14:19.13ImpyDroidHachi?
14:20.03HachimanSorry was distracted
14:20.36HachimanSo, in retrospect
14:20.45HachimanRight is just as retarded as left
14:21.48ImpyDroidnods
14:22.03ImpyDroidThat is why the two exist together, to curb each other's idiocy
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14:59.40NeonPandaThe problem is that right now, rather than destructive interference we have constructive interference
15:07.20Tek0516"Estimated time needed to solve the exam = 480 minutes" F***. Today will be fun. -.-
15:07.49NeonPandawhy is that a thing that's allowed to exist
15:08.55Tek0516Because he can. This is the a class I've constantly been complaining about all term too. >.>
15:09.21Tek0516There is two options for the exam. This one is the easy one.
15:12.23OluapPlayerIn the words of Aristotle, u wot m8
15:13.51NeonPandaI mean I've had a class that had 6 hours of exams, but it had to be broken into three separate exams due to regulations
15:15.03Tek0516Well at the very least it's a "take home exam" (though the date, time and how long we have to do it are all fixed). But it means we get our notes, computers, we can even do it at home if we want.
15:15.48Tek0516But it's still an estimated 8 hour exam with only 8 hours to do it. (I really hope I get enough of a margin to buy dinner. >.>)
15:17.37NeonPandayeah iunno, just sounds to me like whoever set that exam hates people
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15:21.14CyrannianPhew, accidentally clicked rollback on a page, luckily it only had one contributor so nothing happened
15:23.12Charles_Murraywhoops
15:24.22NeonPandacue admin abuse joke
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15:33.32Tek0516NeonPanda: After the past term I'd say you're not wrong.
15:46.24TechnobliteratorI always do that :|
15:46.29Technobliteratorespecially on a touchscreen
15:46.33Technobliteratoraccidentally rollbacking stuff
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16:54.02Charles_DCSo uh
16:54.05Charles_DCQuestion of the day
16:54.14Charles_DCShould I use RT as a credible source? :P
16:55.31NeonPandaRT?
16:55.46Charles_DCRussia Today
16:56.07Charles_DC(probably not)
16:58.01NeonPandaI've got no idea, Imperios would be better suited to answering that one.
16:58.11ImperiosWell
16:58.20ImperiosRegarding what?
16:59.10ImperiosLike, what topic do you need RT sources for?
17:00.20Charles_DCImperios : Just looking to cite the number of people that took part in the Immortal Regiment in 2015
17:00.38Charles_DCtotal in Russia
17:00.39ImperiosJust cite several sources
17:01.03ImperiosLike, say, Russia Today, some Russian state news, and TV-Rain
17:01.37ImperiosTV Rain being FUCKING LIBERAL TRAITORS
17:02.39Charles_DCImperios : I also cite a direct quote from you, if that's okay
17:02.57Imperios"TV Rain are fucking liberal traitors"?
17:02.59ImperiosGo ahead
17:03.02Charles_DCWell no
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17:04.29Charles_DCHey
17:05.35ImperiosHm
17:05.45ImperiosYou need info about any particular city, or Russia in general?
17:06.09dino82_hi
17:06.47ImperiosCharles_DC: Just random info, according to the Regiment's website, there were Regiment marches in Lebanon and Ireland
17:06.58Charles_DCJust Russia in general, it's a useful statistic to convey the size of the celebration
17:07.03CyrannianHai dino!
17:07.06Charles_DCOf course
17:07.10dino82_Hi!
17:07.10Charles_DCHey dino
17:07.41ImperiosCyrannian: http://moypolk.ru/sites/default/files/user_uploaded/user111063/irlandiya.jpg Behold our legions
17:08.07OluapPlayerHi dino
17:08.34CyrannianImperios: Is that in Ireland? The structure in the background looks like the big cross in the Phoenix Park
17:08.46ImperiosCyrannian: Indeed, it's in Ireland
17:08.56ImperiosWe're taking over
17:09.20dino82_lol
17:09.36ImperiosHere to prove the superiority of vodka over whiskey
17:10.28Cyrannianboo
17:10.42Charles_DCchampagne beats all of you
17:10.53ImperiosIt takes longer to get smashed
17:10.58ImperiosChampagne: inferior
17:11.17Charles_DCAt least it doesn't taste like rubbing alcohol
17:11.26Charles_DC:D
17:11.27ImperiosCharles_DC: Something just struck me while I looked at the pic pic: the tricolour and the two-headed eagle flying alongside the sickle and hammer and the Red Banner
17:12.04ImperiosAlso remember Russians can also make champagne
17:12.24Charles_DCWell actually you can't
17:12.39Charles_DCChampagne doesn't refer to a kind of drink or process
17:12.49Charles_DCIt literally refers to the region in France where you make it
17:13.16Charles_DCSo unless you want to invade Champagne with little green men, hold a referendum, and annex it, Russia isn't making champagne anytime soon
17:13.17DanzaDelMondohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovetskoye_Shampanskoye THE SOVIET UNION DISREGARDS YOUR PUNY BOURGEOSIE LAWS
17:13.42Charles_DClol
17:14.05DanzaDelMondoYes I was referring to this weird situation where we have "Soviet champagne" that isn't actually from Champagne
17:29.50ImperiosCharles_DC: According to tass, there were circa 1100 municipalities participating in  Immortal Regiment 2015
17:30.24DanzaDelMondohttp://tass.ru/obschestvo/1944899
17:30.39ImperiosThough that counts countries outside of Russia
17:38.59dino82_lol
17:40.07Tek0516Charles_DC: So if Sporewiki France has abandoned Earth, doesn't that mean no more Champagne? :P ...then again those types probably made a planet Champagne.
17:41.09Charles_DCI blame Wormy
17:41.15Charles_DCNobody gets champagne anymore
17:41.42dino82_why need champagn if you have wine, whisky or rum?:P
17:41.44dino82_Or ale!
17:41.58NeonPandachampagne is just bubbly white with a really expensive name tag anyway :P
17:42.03Charles_DChey
17:42.21NeonPandawell I'm not wrong
17:42.58Tek0516...I'm now imagining all the French alcohol makers naming a planet Champagne and producing the Empire's supply entirely in that system.
17:43.17Charles_DCThat's probably what happened
17:43.25dino82_Personally i must admit as well, I can't tolerate champagne really well.........................:P
17:43.39dino82_@Tek: Or an entire Champagne System or Sector
17:43.51Charles_DC"champagne sector"
17:43.58Charles_DCI think we'll stick to a planet xD
17:44.19Tek0516Nuke that planet and France loses all its alcohol.
17:44.26NeonPandaif I cared enough I'd start coming up with an appropriately Australian nickname for it
17:44.47Tek0516That's France's true weak point.
17:45.02dino82_I would defeintaly want an entire sector for it! You can name planets for the differant branches
17:45.03dino82_:P
17:45.18dino82_Lke anentire sector of planets devoted and dedicated in making one kind of alcohol
17:45.19dino82_champagne
17:45.22dino82_imagen that
17:45.47dino82_Tactical seen, it migh be one of the most interessting and benefital sectors to occupy and conquer :P
17:46.30NeonPandanot to mention a massive target for bio-warfare
17:46.37dino82_Idd!
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17:55.27Tek0516Hello Impy with wierd names.
17:58.21Charles_DCFrance - Really guys
17:58.27Charles_DCFrance - We're not the british
17:58.44Charles_DCFrance - We can go without our national beverage for a couple months
17:59.32dino82_Lol
18:02.38Tek0516...neat, I got randomly selected to get my meal for free.
18:03.13Charles_DCFrance - Also our entire economy is not just alcohol
18:03.19Charles_DCFrance - We're not Russia either :P
18:05.56dino82_Well France has very nice and delicious wines as well
18:06.02dino82_with cheese plank
18:06.03dino82_yummie
18:06.11dino82_or baquettes with Nutella on it or so
18:10.15sfBaguettes are the best
18:10.35ImperiosIT is the superior form of bread
18:10.41ImperiosAlongside Armenian flatbread
18:10.56ImperiosBut that spoils easily
18:11.09ImperiosMaybe Latin American flatbread too but I only ever tasted it in Spain
18:11.18ImperiosIt was like Armenian lavash but with a weird taste
18:11.20ImperiosBut a good one
18:11.51ImperiosYou know it's orange/yellow-ish and they add something there
18:12.00ImperiosI wonder what it is
18:12.03Imperios~ask OluapPlayer
18:12.03infobotNope, imperios! I won't ask "OluapPlayer"
18:12.11OluapPlayerwut
18:13.22ImperiosWhat is usually added into Latin American tortillas?
18:13.33ImperiosLike, corn or something?
18:13.56ImperiosOr not tortillas, flatbread in general
18:14.05Cyrannianhttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/cb/HeneraMed%C3%A9.png/revision/latest?cb=20161215181346 - new character, the Imperial captain of the Relentless
18:15.05ImperiosCyrannian: I like the little chest thing, makes her/him look Star Wars-y
18:16.07OluapPlayerLooks good
18:16.17CyrannianThanks, it's based on the Sith Empire uniforms in SWTOR http://alphacorner.eu/download/torbugs/uni_red.jpg
18:16.42OluapPlayerAnd I wouldn't know, I don't eat tortillas
18:17.38CyrannianImperios: Oh and it's a she
18:17.46Cyrannianbrb dinner
18:22.38ImperiosNeonPanda OluapPlayer: https://pp.vk.me/c626323/v626323795/40d28/ST-0TxgGEak.jpg When you don't have the gold for upgrades in Civ
18:22.56OluapPlayerhur
18:33.32Charles_DCImperios : lel
18:42.39Charles_DCImperios: So the immortal regiment is a patriotic organization?
18:42.44Charles_DC(Of what kind?)
18:42.50ImperiosNot as much as an organisation as an initiative
18:43.04ImperiosThe actual amount of active members is very small
18:43.24ImperiosIt's basically, you want to participate, you go, take a portrait, and join in
18:44.27Charles_DCOf course
18:44.33Charles_DCThough I meant, who organizes it?
18:45.22Charles_DC(i.e., decides where it will be, gets the streets cleared out, advertises, etc)
18:45.35ImperiosThere are a few cordinators who do it
18:45.38Imperioshttp://moypolk.ru/popechitelskij-sovet here we go
18:45.42Charles_DCDanke
18:45.59Imperios"The caretaker council"
18:46.10Charles_DCThank god for google translate
18:47.08ImperiosHell, if you want I could try to contact one of the coordinators
18:47.20ImperiosBTW once your paper is done I want to see it
18:48.51ImperiosThese are very few, and according to the website any attempts to further organise the initiative are forbidden
18:49.00ImperiosOr to politicise it
18:49.15Imperioshttp://moypolk.ru/gauptvahta Apparently violations of this rule are gathered here, you may read it
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18:51.10CyrannianYey, going to see Rogue One now bbl
18:51.56Charles_DCImperios : It's pretty bad, I'm really just trying to cobble it together at this point
18:52.03Charles_DCMy major focus was another class, another paper
18:52.10Charles_DCI'm just trying to fill space with information
18:52.20Charles_DCAnd intelligent observations
18:52.32ImpyDroidRight
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19:53.05ImperiosCharles_DC Hachiman: So I found a cafe in Saint-Petersburg that sells a cheesecake + Americano + whiskey combo under the name of "Donald Trump pack"
19:54.03ImpyDroidhttp://i.imgur.com/7JovD9zh.jpg
19:54.30Charles_DCOh my
19:54.46Charles_DCDONE
19:54.50Charles_DC12 pages
19:54.54Charles_DCI can finally turn this in
19:54.59Charles_DCAnd it's actually not that bad
19:55.04ImperiosSHOW ME
19:55.13Charles_DCnein
19:55.16Imperiosnu
19:55.18ImperiosWon't show anyone
19:55.21Charles_DCIt's still far from my best work
19:55.37ImperiosI just want to see your opinions within the work
19:55.39Charles_DCAnd is a far cry from what I would actually be able to write if I had time and sources
19:55.54ImperiosSo, how I do courseworks
19:56.02Imperios*that is how
19:56.15ImperiosIf you saw my works your eyes would bleed
19:56.38Charles_DCThing is, the way I write and argue, my 'opinion' rarely comes into it
19:57.17Charles_DCMy opinion is that it's a complex situation with lots of different mechanics, narratives, and actors at play, and it's much more productive to understand those things on their own terms than to draw value judgments
19:57.36ImperiosBut your understanding of it is in itself interesting
19:57.45Charles_DCRite, I'll think about it
19:57.47ImperiosIT shows how the West perceives our celebrations of Victory Day
19:57.54Charles_DCI'm not the West :(
19:58.00ImperiosYou're part of it
19:58.07ImperiosYou're from California, that's literally as West as you can ge
19:58.09Imperiost
19:58.15Charles_DCI've met Russians who've told me I know more about Russia than they do
19:59.09ImperiosNot me, from my point of view you are still a cyka
19:59.36Charles_DC:(
19:59.39ImperiosAs in, your opinions are still part of the overall opinion of your surroundings, even if they are more refined as the rest
19:59.56Charles_DCWell, most people disagree with me if that help xD
19:59.57ImperiosActually
19:59.58Charles_DChelps*
20:00.26ImperiosIs the whole idea of Trump mending ties with Russia feasible? Our mass media circulate it, as do right-wing sources from the West
20:00.37ImperiosI do not believe in it, he is merely a single cog in the machine
20:01.04ImperiosCan't change that much and I doubt he really wants it
20:01.04Charles_DCI'm in full gear to go out into the snow so I'm overheating here, can't give that question the attention it deserves
20:01.21Charles_DCBut I think it's going to be a bit complicated, but it's feasible
20:01.53Charles_DCGeopolitically, there's an argument to be made that Russia and the US should cooperate to counterbalance China
20:02.48Charles_DCIn terms of foreign policy, the executive has a lot of wriggle room when it comes to making policy for the US, engaging in treaties, directing military involvement, etc
20:03.50ImperiosHuh
20:03.51Charles_DCBut in terms of domestic politics, Trump's base is pretty 'meh' about the whole Russia thing and would probably let him do what he wants. The Republican party itself is hardline against Russia given its recent actions against the US
20:04.19Charles_DCThe Democrats and their supporters are livid
20:04.37ImperiosThat is what interests me
20:05.10ImperiosIt is like the conservatives in America are torn apart between acting against their traditional enemy, and joining with them against the new one
20:05.29Charles_DCYeah, in a way
20:05.32TechnobliteratorI still think the Russian hack thing is just bullshit
20:05.43Technobliteratorand will continue to believe that until some concrete and legitimate evidence is made public
20:05.49Charles_DCUh
20:05.51Charles_DCIt has
20:05.54Charles_DCAnd I'm out
20:05.57TechnobliteratorWhere?
20:06.00Charles_DCNYT
20:06.12TechnobliteratorI mean, where's the evidence made public?
20:06.16ImperiosWell I am happy either way, duh
20:06.41TechnobliteratorAll I know about is just unnamed sources in the CIA
20:07.16Charles_DCHold on, the NYT wrote a novel about this which basically lays it all out
20:07.28ImperiosEither the US are shitting their pants trying to scapegoat us, or we succesfully fucked up their election system
20:08.25Charles_DCHere it is http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html
20:09.20Charles_DCAll 17 US intelligence agencies (all independently operating and with their own investigations/jurisdictions/prerogatives) have come out with the consensus that Russia was behind hacks during the election
20:09.22ImperiosEither way I can cackle evilly in the corner
20:09.41ImperiosWait, do you mean
20:09.48ImperiosDo you mean Putin actually altered the votes?
20:09.52Charles_DCnononono
20:09.59ImperiosOh you mean the data leaks
20:10.18Charles_DCYes, the doxxing
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20:15.02Technobliterator"The United States, too, has carried out cyberattacks, and in decades past the C.I.A. tried to subvert foreign elections. But the Russian attack is increasingly understood across the political spectrum as an ominous historic landmark-"
20:15.13TechnobliteratorYeah, this is one of my biggest issues with the New York Times' coverage sometimes
20:15.36Technobliterator"yeah, we know, there's this statement that basically contradicts everything we said here, BUT it doesn't contradict BECAUSE"
20:18.26TechnobliteratorMaybe I'm missing something, but so far, I don't see any concrete, or any named source from any of the intelligence agencies, so I will remain highly skeptical
20:18.43DrodoEmpire^
20:20.10Charles_BotSo basically, NYT would completely make up a story and make up sources in order to cater to an audience which really, really cares about facts, accuracy, and journalistic integrity?
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20:21.07DrodoEmpireIt wouldn't exactly be the first time a mainstream outlet abused the public's trust in it
20:21.17DrodoEmpireNor does it even have to be *its* fault directly
20:21.28Charles_BotSame thing for all 17 US intelligence agencies, bipartisan ranking members of both the House and Senate, the other biggest traditional media outlets, and the White House?
20:22.07Xhowhoo another politics chat
20:22.21DrodoEmpire^
20:22.22DrodoEmpire:p
20:22.44TechnobliteratorIt's not like they've done that and led us into a disastrous war before
20:22.45Technobliteratoroh wait
20:22.49Technobliteratorthat's exactly what happened
20:23.51Charles_BotIt's really sad indeed when public trust in our institutions, which are built to exact the maximum political cost on those caught lying and cheating, have fallen to the point when such a resounding cry for wolf doesn't sound alarm bells and mobilize the nation against a genuine infringement of sovereignty >.<
20:24.00Charles_BotAnd no, not really >.<
20:24.15Charles_BotWe've been over this
20:24.36TechnobliteratorI think it's more sad that media outlets and the government have done so little to earn the trust of the public
20:24.41DrodoEmpireYeah...
20:25.01Technobliteratorand that we're getting more Cold War propaganda when no one wants to enter a war with Russia
20:25.22DrodoEmpireBoo fucking hoo people don't like the current state of the institutions, Charles.
20:25.24DrodoEmpireI'll be honest
20:25.45XhoI'm gonna make the Edimmu and see what happens
20:26.09TechnobliteratorI don't doubt the possibility of the hack or Putin's motivations behind it
20:26.22Technobliteratorbut I want to see proof before we start calling for a nuke launched at Moscow
20:26.31DrodoEmpireWell, yeah, its within the realms of possibility
20:26.40Charles_Bot<PROTECTED>
20:26.41DrodoEmpireBut extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
20:26.52Technobliteratorand the article does make mention of some relevant times that cyber attacks have been used by foreign governments
20:27.15XhoHachiman: >tfw politics is more popular than Spore on SporeWiki's IRC
20:27.31HachimanEh, exactly
20:27.33XhoMan I need a dose of bleach
20:27.44DrodoEmpireYou can ask them to move it to offtopic
20:27.48DrodoEmpireIts what its for
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20:27.58HachimanI forgot offtopic existed to be honest
20:28.04XhoSo did everyone :V
20:28.05HachimanI just kinda got used to politics being a thing here
20:28.07HachimanHi
20:28.09TechnobliteratorI'm always in offtopic :|
20:28.11Xhorups
20:28.16DrodoEmpireThen don't, its there so this sort of thing doesn't happen
20:28.20XhoWhich is also spur backwards, gg xho
20:28.27OluapPlayerhi
20:28.44OluapPlayerWhat happened this time
20:28.50TechnobliteratorIt is one of 10 channels I idle on
20:28.56Technobliteratoror wait
20:28.56Technobliterator9
20:28.59TechnobliteratorI left #ubuntu
20:29.01Technobliteratorit was boring
20:29.10HachimanDrodo chewing Charles out which is hilarious
20:29.10Technobliteratorplus I don't use ubuntu anymore
20:30.08Charles_BotPff
20:30.53Charles_BotAgain, the evidence has been produced
20:30.58Charles_BotI'm not sure what else you want
20:31.05Technobliteratorif so, it should be produced on the offtopic channel
20:31.05Technobliterator:V
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20:31.43XhoOluapPlayer: I was complaining about polyticks on the IRC
20:32.02Tybusenoh boy polyticks my favrite
20:32.12HachimanHi Tob
20:32.14HachimanTyb
20:32.19XhoNot that I hate political chats but it's getting stale
20:32.24XhoVery stale
20:32.49XhoThen again there's not much to talk about on the IRC any more
20:33.00XhoOther than dank memes and how much we hate life
20:33.11Hachiman>dank memes
20:33.12Tybusenme too thanks
20:33.14XhoOften rolled int one
20:33.15HachimanWhat is this 2010
20:33.23XhoHachiman: 1994+22
20:33.24DrodoEmpireedgy meme
20:33.35TechnobliteratorI basically finished this semester
20:33.37Technobliterator\o/
20:34.04TybusenI'm already finished with classes for this quarter but I'm still unproductive as ever
20:34.07Tybusen\o/
20:34.16XhoThing is there isn't much to talk about fictionwise unless I start talking and no one ever replies anyway
20:34.27XhoXho's long-winded monologues on how inaccesible his fiction gets
20:34.42TechnobliteratorI have more work to do, but after that, I want to do Borealis War again
20:34.44TechnobliteratorBy the way
20:34.45Xhonot my fault ur all dum
20:34.50TechnobliteratorImperios, Borealis War :|
20:34.50OluapPlayerYou've no one but yourself to blame for that
20:35.03ImperiosI am actually currently writing my section up
20:35.07Technobliterator\o/
20:35.08ImperiosIt is about 50% done
20:35.11HachimanI just don't post stuff about my fiction much anymore considering that the Fantasyverse isn't really considered relevant to anyone but a small group of people
20:35.14HachimanWhich is unfortunate
20:35.48XhoWell my Fictionverse stuff actually is accesible since it's sort of active
20:35.50XhoFantasyverse, well
20:35.59XhoEither way I'm gone by this time next year
20:36.04HachimanPlus whatever Fictionverse stuff I do have is disconnected from the recent going-ons in the Gigaquadrant thus also considered not really relevant
20:36.33TybusenI've said this before, but I've thought about trying to get into Fantasyverse but it's so difficult to get with the times in the Fantasyverse since I haven't been keeping up and Fantasyverse stories are so thick
20:36.42ImperiosCharles_DC Technobliterator: Then again about Hillary, considering how much stuff TRUMP was accused of, I'd say it's far
20:36.44Imperiosfare
20:36.50ImperiosI mean he was accused of fucking rape for God's sake
20:36.57XhoIt's a bit of a sod to get into I guess if were to look from the outside
20:37.22XhoIt's mostly Oluap + Hachi and then Xho and Imperios on the side and then other users who come and go
20:37.57HachimanTybusen: Mostly why I decided to try focusing on a new cast of characters because they're about as clueless of the world as the users are hur
20:38.07TybusenI have no idea which Fantasy stories are the ones that are "essential" to be up to date on Fantasy, and even then every single one is really long
20:38.22XhoEschaton is a bit dated now
20:38.34HachimanYeah, Eschaton is incredibly long yet also a bit dated due to how long ago it started
20:38.39XhoBascially the world was saved from the god of destruction and everything went into geopolitical reverse
20:39.00OluapPlayerEverything = only your stuff
20:39.12XhoPretty much
20:39.32HachimanI don't think people ask for enough help when they're getting into the Fantasyverse though
20:39.42XhoWould make sense Talmyr is the only setting on Koldenwelt that is geopolitically fucked up
20:39.49XhoAnd Abyssus
20:40.12HachimanThere seems to be an impression that the Fantasyverse users are unwilling to explain stuff or answer questions and leave you to try and find out shit for yourself
20:40.30TybusenIt's mostly that I look at how thick the Fantasyverse lore is, and I never get to the point of having enough motivation to get to the "asking for help" stage
20:40.50XhoThere's still a lot of space for lore when one thinks about it
20:41.14HachimanHonestly, it's easier if you have a comparatively younger nation
20:41.20XhoWhen everyone thinks of lore it's usually the mythological end, but the mythological end of the matter doesn't k f
20:41.21Xhofucking
20:41.34XhoWhen everyone thinks of lore it's usually the mythological end, but the mythological end of the matter doesn't influence much other than small parts of fiction
20:41.40XhoUnless it's the Vampire War or Eschaton
20:41.49XhoThen it's Simulacra everywhere
20:42.34HachimanThere is a History segment on the Koldenwelt page which summarises a lot of the events leading up to the New Age and what has been going on in the past few decades
20:42.59XhoThere's a shitload of stuff that could be filled in between 5000 BNA and the present day
20:43.13Xhoso that's about 5035 years give or take
20:43.31ImperiosTybusen: Try to focus on one particular region
20:43.37ImperiosAnd approach users mostly from this region
20:43.46TybusenUltimately I think it's also that I don't have a lot of room on my platter for fiction since I have to continue with the First Bunsen War remake, stop dropping the ball on Marko Colonial War, and hopefully start doing some Spodist stuff with Impy
20:43.49XhoGranted it's not as easy if you're talking about elves or dragons because 5000 years looks more like 500 years
20:44.02ImperiosYou could easily give us the idea and we could provide help about how it could be put into the greater 'verse
20:44.36TybusenWell I mean like
20:44.46TybusenI already have a Fantasy faction, but I haven't updated them in years
20:45.06XhoProcedure would mean they're not canon at this point I'm afraid
20:45.14TybusenYeah that's what I assumed
20:45.46TybusenThe history I wrote for them was based on the Fantasy history from a few years ago
20:45.56TybusenWhich I assume is outdated
20:46.25ImperiosDrodoHomework Tybusen: http://i.imgur.com/7JovD9zh.jpg "Americano, New York cheesecake and whiskey, only for 249 roubles"
20:46.43XhoIt can be reworked
20:46.51XhoAnything mentioning Screebles is wel
20:46.53Xhowell
20:46.54Xholong dead
20:47.26ImperiosThat is an actual thing I saw in a cafe BTW
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20:47.46HachimanFucking IRC
20:47.48HachimanThere is a History segment on the Koldenwelt page which summarises a lot of the events leading up to the New Age and what has been going on in the past few decades
20:51.42TybusenI think it's more that I have other fiction commitments and so I'd have to put any Fantasy stuff on the backburner, including any Fantasy stories to get my Fantasy characters established
20:53.50XhoHeck do you what you want
20:53.56XhoIt's a fanfiction site after all
20:54.36Tybusenwell i mean yeah
20:56.36Tybusenhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Razoa I don't know if there's any glaring disparities between this history and the general Koldenwelt history
20:58.10XhoNo disparities I can see
20:58.54HachimanNothing glaring
20:59.04XhoAlthough I might need to change the Orayu a bit
20:59.18HachimanAlthough I'll suggest that Razoa using adamantine weapons might make surface-dwellers uneasy
20:59.30HachimanGiven that adamantine is inherently antimagical
20:59.35XhoRazoa - deep sea mandem
20:59.59TybusenI think that's fine
21:00.29TybusenThe Razoa are relatively reclusive and don't really bother people who don't share coastline with them
21:00.54HachimanYou say they're located in the south sea around the Archipelago, right?
21:01.04TybusenYeah, that's where I originally had them
21:01.08HachimanThey could have contact with the Khargrim Greatholds - that is, southern dwarves
21:01.40HachimanWhich would be immensely beneficial for both parties given that the Khargrim are fellow industrialists
21:02.14TybusenI could see them having a trade relationship
21:02.46HachimanThe Khargrim holds would also be a good place for Razoa adventurers to start off at
21:03.06XhoI was wondering who that was
21:03.12XhoAnd now I'm wondering why I am surprised
21:03.21TybusenThere might be some of the typical dwarf-elf tension since the Razoa are essentially deep-sea elves in terms of culture
21:05.02TybusenI had two Razoa characters who would be capable of journeying further inland than most Razoa, since they came up with the miraculous invention of a bucket of water on wheels
21:05.12HachimanOh wow hur
21:05.35HachimanThe Khargrim like you so long as you aren't rampant, oppressive slavers and adamantine is a highly valuable and extremely rare resource to come across for modern surface-dwellers, which would give them more reason to like you if you're willing to share it with them
21:06.10HachimanThey also don't like snobbery even though they're kinda snobby themselves at times
21:06.38XhoWelcome to the delight of hypocrisy
21:06.55TybusenP R O J E C T I O N
21:07.24XhoI  D O N T  G E T  T H I S  M E M E
21:07.39XhoNo seriously I don't get it
21:07.57DrodoEmpireM E  N E I T H E R  B U T  F U C K  I  F I N D  I T  F U N N Y
21:08.17TybusenBut yeah I don't think the Razoa would have a problem sharing some adamantium with the Khargrim, though not a lot since the Razoa don't have a lot of their own natural sources of it
21:08.41TybusenThey've gotten most of it from adamantium tools and weapons from old wars being swept into the ocean
21:08.42XhoI wonder whether's its possible to create arcanised substances through sacrifice
21:08.52XhoWell I guess it is since phylacteries exist
21:09.07Xhonevermind
21:10.31TybusenAlso I suppose it's worth noting that there was a Fantasy short story called "Ad Mala Aurorum" that had the Razoa involved in Arbor Vitae's final efforts in the War of the Eye
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21:10.56Xhohelpful feesh
21:11.03The_RandomnessHello
21:11.57XhoHi
21:13.24TybusenAlso, based on Ad Mala Aurorum, the Razoa would know the location of Mala Aurorum
21:13.45TybusenOr at least, a couple of Razoa would know
21:15.01Xhosurely it should be Arbor Aurorum if Arbor Vitae turned into a tree or is it just one giant golden apple
21:15.07XhoGhelae: I forget
21:15.32TybusenI mean "Ad Mala Aurorum" would literally just mean "at Mala Aurorum"
21:16.08XhoI know I'm just going off on a tangent
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21:33.34DrodoEmpireSo apparently in the middle ages a Christian monk wrote a prayer book using the pages of an old manuscript, scraping off the original content and writing over it
21:34.24DrodoEmpireThis old manuscript, however, turned out to be a previously unknown work by Archimedes which laid out the foundations of Calculus
21:34.27DrodoEmpireSo, you know
21:34.29DrodoEmpirefuck
21:34.50NeonPandaah Christians, so arbitrary the things they write down
21:34.56NeonPandahow to make a self-contained bullet, for example
21:35.19TybusenD A R K A G E S
21:35.33XhoWow
21:35.43NeonPandawhich, despite the name, were actually pretty light, at least for half the time when the sun was shining :P
21:36.07DrodoEmpirehur
21:36.16TybusenBut then it depends on if you see the age as half-light or half-dark
21:36.48NeonPandabut seriously the dark ages weren't actually as bad as we originally thought, hence the term falling out of popularity somewhat
21:37.09DrodoEmpireWell yeah, they weren't an 100% shithole by any means
21:37.10XhoWell Christianity did rule
21:37.16DrodoEmpireThat was the migration period
21:37.16XhoSo depending on your take of it
21:37.23DrodoEmpireMigration Period was an 100% shithole
21:37.27Xhoc
21:38.00DrodoEmpireWell Christianity also did a lot to preserve ancient knowledge and provide social stability after the collapse of the Roman Empire
21:38.18DrodoEmpireIt allowed a continuity of this knowledge and to an extent to old social order
21:38.27DrodoEmpire*the old social order
21:38.52NeonPandaand it managed to not *completely* fuck up Islamic centres of research until the Renaissance
21:39.14TybusenWell I mean
21:39.21Tybusenthe Mongols beat them to the punch on that
21:39.50DrodoEmpireWell yeah, the Islamic world had an important function in preserving, translating, and then applying ancient knowledge that was lost in the west
21:40.07DrodoEmpireAnd then the Renaissance happened and Europe did the same thing
21:40.09NeonPandaI still find it hilarious how significant various christian monks were to the invention of automatic firearms
21:40.17DrodoEmpirehur
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21:43.41DrodoEmpireXho: http://i.imgur.com/XemXuyA.jpg
21:44.45TybusenDrodoEmpire: me too thanks
21:45.49NeonPandahopefully by that time we'll have spread the human disease to a few other worlds, so that the galaxy all gives Earth a collective stinkeye for not keeping it in its pants
21:46.08XhoDrodoEmpire: yup
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21:48.13Spluff5Hi
21:49.04DrodoEmpireHi
21:51.34XhoIH
22:13.55GhelaeXho: There's a chance I might have done the Latin wrong.
22:14.16GhelaeAlthough Arbor didn't turn into a tree (or an apple); the place is named after the golden apple trees there.
22:14.29Xhohm
22:18.52GhelaeIt's supposed to just mean "golden apples". But, not speaking Latin, I just Wiktionary to get the translation.
22:19.14XhoWell it is golden apples
22:19.22XhoImperios is the one to talk to
22:27.44GhelaeAnd yes, Tybusen, some Razoa would know the location of Mala Aurorum, but reading over it again I'm struggling to think of what I was implying there.
22:29.00GhelaeApparently, discussing it in the open is dangerous, even though if it's in the open they can see that there's nobody else listening in, and it's only stated that there's a single squad of Razoa there.
22:30.18GhelaeEither way, it's implied that only one of those Razoa knew where it is.
22:32.53GhelaeAnd this reminds me, I still need to add the Khargrim to the Archipelago page.
22:33.03Ghelaeopens up the page in a tab and decides he'll do it tomorrow
22:34.17NeonPandaoh god, Cthulian christmas carols
22:34.22NeonPandaI need a book of these
22:36.15TybusenI think I've decided that the Razoa have to be low magic affinity if they're going to incorporate discarded adamantium into their arsenal as much as they do
22:36.51TybusenThat's how adamantium would work, right?
22:40.30XhoMore or less
22:44.55GhelaeThe story was written before a lot of the lore was established, including the antimagical properties of adamantine, so it can be changed if you want it to be. I'm sure there are other metals that could take its place.
22:46.01OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki%3AFantasy_Universe/The_Source#Adamantine
22:46.07Xhohttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/09/Edimmu2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20161215224537 So I made the Edimmu in the end
22:48.39TybusenI'm fine with the Razoa being a limited-magic species, I mean one of the Razoa characters I had pretty much touts science and technology as the future
23:08.44XhoI have a feeling that something that looks similar to the Edimmu are already on the wiki
23:08.45Xhohm
23:11.44Liquid_InkI don't think so
23:12.58TybusenSomeone who knows biology good, what's the typical result of an organism having a low concentration of electrolytes than what's normal?
23:13.28TybusenI was thinking anemia might be an effect in animals but I don't know if that's correct
23:15.07MonetIt's similar
23:16.37MonetI can't remember the term but a low electrolyte concentration can cause RBCs to burst
23:17.37MonetElectrolyte deprivation can also impair muscles and neurons form functionign at peak effectiveness.
23:45.05MonetLooking at DoW II again
23:45.16MonetAccording to RPS, Gorgutz is bak
23:50.34OluapPlayerHe's been confirmed since the game was announced
23:51.52Monethttps://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/12/15/dawn-of-war-3-gorgutz-ork/ you can read the RPS article if you like.
23:53.16OluapPlayerYeah I saw that before
23:53.21OluapPlayerHe looks cool
23:56.07Monet6 hours ago.
23:56.16Monet7, whatever.
23:56.38MonetWas working at that time

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