| 00:00.43 | Monet | Joe A and Joe B might both suffer from say a fear of talking to women, but what works for Joe A might be destructive for Joe B |
| 00:00.51 | Hachiman | I suppose if you want to be especially heartless and ignorant of the moral and ethical implications, you could supply memory-repressing treatment to lengths such as lobotomy |
| 00:01.37 | Monet | I don't think that'll work |
| 00:02.03 | Monet | You can erase the memory but the bathways that cause the tics might still be there. |
| 00:02.10 | Hachiman | That's true |
| 00:05.48 | Monet | The alternative to acclimatisation appears to be prohibiting leaving the military |
| 00:06.49 | DrodoEmpire | And then their family loses its shit >.< |
| 00:06.58 | DrodoEmpire | Plus the soldier wouldn't be very happy |
| 00:07.58 | Monet | This is the thing that is now bugging me about the GRand Army of the Republic |
| 00:08.17 | Hachiman | How'd you mean? |
| 00:08.31 | Hachiman | As in, the legions of cloned soldiers? |
| 00:08.33 | Monet | The whole template idea |
| 00:09.38 | Monet | The millions of clones they created aren't millions of copies of Jango Fett, they're millions of copies of a single 5' 11" human male with Mandalorian heritage. |
| 00:11.02 | Monet | At best, Jango can offer insight to growing up as a Mandalorian. |
| 00:11.33 | Hachiman | Thing is, the Clones did not have lives or families prior to their military service |
| 00:11.50 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:12.18 | Hachiman | They knew nothing other than war and their times away from the field in military barracks and facilities and whatnot |
| 00:12.27 | DrodoEmpire | Though, to be sure breeding sentient beings for the sole purpose of war has some horrific ethical implications |
| 00:12.35 | Hachiman | Their friends and families consisted of other Clones and the Jedi they were attached to |
| 00:13.13 | Hachiman | Also correct me if I'm wrong but couldn't the Clones leave military service following a certain age after the fall of the Republic? |
| 00:13.22 | Hachiman | If they even lived a roughly human lifespan at all |
| 00:13.27 | DrodoEmpire | I'm not sure anymore |
| 00:13.30 | Tek0516 | They did have accelerated aging. |
| 00:13.35 | DrodoEmpire | Their lifespans were halved I believe |
| 00:14.09 | Tek0516 | Also post-Clone Wars clones was addressed somewhat during Star Wars Rebels though I forget the specifics. |
| 00:14.09 | DrodoEmpire | I'd figure many of them would've been discharged early into the Empire due to old age and infirmity, but I dunno |
| 00:14.13 | Monet | Some might have become instructors. But by the time the first batch were old enough to be too old for military service, their purpose as a whole was reaching its end. |
| 00:14.35 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah others could train, lots of experience |
| 00:14.58 | Tek0516 | By the time of Star Wars Rebels (few years before A New Hope) some characters like Captain Rex are already almost elderlt. |
| 00:15.33 | Hachiman | If they were specifically bred for war and frontline combat, with no experience of domestic living outside of the barracks, then I'm not entirely sure if most of the Clones would be too torn up about it |
| 00:16.00 | Tek0516 | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/89/Captain_Rex_old.png/revision/latest?cb=20160131050502 This is him around 4 BBY |
| 00:16.11 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 00:16.19 | DrodoEmpire | So I took over Carthage in RTW |
| 00:16.32 | Monet | I do recall reading about an episode of Clone Wars or Rebels where some clones did try to integrate int ofarming communities |
| 00:16.33 | DrodoEmpire | Do I enslave it and send 15 000 slaves scattering over my empire |
| 00:16.40 | DrodoEmpire | Or do I exterminate the city <.< |
| 00:17.00 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: How badly did Carthage piss you off/ |
| 00:17.02 | Hachiman | ? |
| 00:17.05 | DrodoEmpire | Not at all |
| 00:17.06 | DrodoEmpire | I attacked |
| 00:17.13 | DrodoEmpire | I'm just a terrible person |
| 00:17.18 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 00:17.19 | Hachiman | I'd enslave it in that case |
| 00:17.24 | Monet | What faction are you? |
| 00:17.25 | DrodoEmpire | Bah, you're no fun |
| 00:17.30 | DrodoEmpire | House of Julii |
| 00:17.33 | DrodoEmpire | So Rome |
| 00:18.22 | Tek0516 | From what I'm reading though they basically shut down clone production post-war and by Episode 4 most of them were physically too old to fight. |
| 00:18.46 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, yeah maybe 15k slaves would do good for my empire's economy |
| 00:19.13 | DrodoEmpire | But that's almost, if not more than, the population of my part of italy, the north :x |
| 00:19.14 | Monet | Tek0516: Between the war's end and ANH, the Stormtrooper corps became a mix of clones, varied clone stock and volunteers. |
| 00:19.40 | Tek0516 | http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_trooper I'm just digging through the wiki to see what's still in canon |
| 00:20.45 | Monet | Rex still looks pretty good for being biologically 60-ish. |
| 00:21.56 | Tek0516 | Says born 32 BBY so physically he's something like 56-64 in that shot. |
| 00:22.03 | Wormy_ | FINALLY finished my login system with user role based control |
| 00:23.16 | Monet | I'm pretty sure this is not very Mandalorian http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/a/a6/Youngclonestraining.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070815200125 |
| 00:24.45 | Hachiman | They're not raised Mandalorian iirc |
| 00:25.01 | Monet | "Fett's genetic structure was further modified to make the clones less independent and more docile than their template." |
| 00:25.23 | Tek0516 | I remember that much being mentioned in the movie itself. |
| 00:25.57 | Monet | So ultimately hiring a Mandalorian as a template was mostly pointless aside from the knowledge he could impart. |
| 00:26.08 | Hachiman | Not really |
| 00:26.42 | Hachiman | Jango is the peak example of Mandalorian physiology |
| 00:27.23 | NeonPanda | The majority of the training staff were Mandalorian castaways, not counting the Kaminoans and Jedi. The clones were raised using a mixture of Kaminoan and Mando techniques, mostly the former. |
| 00:27.43 | Monet | There is a bit of Mandalorian physiology, sure. |
| 00:28.06 | NeonPanda | Of course a lot of their training was also developed specifically for them. This is also the point that I remind people that Mandalorian refers to a culture at this point, as the species is extinct. Jango was human. |
| 00:28.42 | Monet | A lot of what made Jango the man he is was his Mandalorian upbringing. |
| 00:29.54 | Monet | When I referred to Mandalorian heritage I was referring to the genetic traits fostered in multiple generations being raised the Mandalorian way. |
| 00:30.52 | Tek0516 | NeonPanda: It doesn't seem like the Mandalorian species part is canon anymore though. |
| 00:33.21 | Monet | No wonder it was kept secret though - the Republic's counter to the CIS battle droids was effectively a slave army. |
| 00:38.26 | Monet | Reading First Order Troopers |
| 00:40.02 | Monet | One paragraph says there was a strong emphasis on uniformity and conformity, another paragraph says they're given a heavy does of propaganda to make them loyal without question, but another says their training encourages improvisation. |
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| 00:42.31 | Tek0516 | Hey Charles |
| 00:43.15 | Monet | So...they're indoctrinated from birth to not question their superiors, not question their peers, and pledge uncompromising faith in said leaders, while also being encouraged to improvise during battlefield situations. |
| 00:45.23 | Hachiman | Hm |
| 00:45.23 | Tek0516 | That kind of soldier archetype isn't exactly know for being fully self-consistent other than power and awesomeness. :P |
| 00:46.47 | Monet | Free will and thought being forbidden anywhere but the heat of combat (I think) means the quality improvisation would be piss-poor. |
| 00:51.15 | Monet | It's saying the only place they can be creative is when someone is trying to fight them. |
| 00:52.45 | Monet | I mean, you can look at real-world fundamentalism to see how great this level of indoctrination is for one's improvisation skills. |
| 02:07.32 | Monet | Goodnight |
| 02:08.25 | The_Randomness | o/ |
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| 05:02.26 | Spluff5 | Yo |
| 05:03.01 | Charles_Murray | Hey |
| 05:03.09 | Charles_Murray | Working on this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Concerns_and_rivalries |
| 05:25.55 | Liquid_Ink | Nice |
| 05:30.12 | Spluff5 | Interesting, can't wait to get involved in collab stuff. |
| 05:30.41 | Liquid_Ink | Does the human superstate still exist? |
| 05:40.14 | Charles_Murray | Liquid_Ink Superstate is defunct |
| 05:40.39 | Liquid_Ink | The page doesn't reflect that |
| 05:44.08 | Charles_Murray | Thanks for pointing that out |
| 05:45.29 | Charles_Murray | Liquid_Ink dere |
| 05:49.03 | Spluff5 | Which human empires are active? |
| 05:49.39 | Liquid_Ink | France, the ATR, and such |
| 05:51.39 | Tek0516 | I've started doing more with Roreinia now too |
| 05:55.06 | Charles_Murray | ATR isn't active recently |
| 05:55.20 | Charles_Murray | France is the main one, Dino is making the netherlands |
| 05:55.26 | Charles_Murray | There's Roreinia as Tek said |
| 05:58.10 | Liquid_Ink | I'm going to make a concerted effort to write up the DCP-Vermulan War, which will show the Fjord League subdue the Mashriq Alliance, and might involve India. |
| 06:00.57 | Charles_Murray | Cool |
| 06:01.23 | Charles_Murray | I might need help with this, actually |
| 06:01.44 | Charles_Murray | Tek tells me the "rival power centers" section is puzzling, even threatening http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Concerns_and_rivalries |
| 06:01.49 | Charles_Murray | Could I have your thoughts on it? |
| 06:02.22 | Liquid_Ink | I wouldn't think so |
| 06:02.47 | Charles_Murray | What's your impression? |
| 06:03.50 | Liquid_Ink | It's just explaining which powers the French considers a threat to their rule |
| 06:04.01 | Liquid_Ink | Which is what all powers do |
| 06:04.25 | Liquid_Ink | It's not really threatening unless one thinks that you personally are trying to take over the fictionverse |
| 06:04.56 | Charles_Murray | France - kind of just trying to keep everything from crashing and burning at this point |
| 06:06.14 | Liquid_Ink | Alternatively you could look at them as having crossed a sort of Thermidor Reaction during their war with the DCP and have become the imperial power they were trying to dismantle. |
| 06:07.24 | Charles_Murray | Well, in this case they actually didn't go about creating an empire, they instituted a rules-based system founded on sovereignty, self-determination, and restraint |
| 06:08.07 | Charles_Murray | Submitting its own power to the democratic rules of the galactic parliament of the Milky Way, and the interpretations of those rules by the judiciary |
| 06:09.08 | Charles_Murray | While the French Empire itself is a loose alliance of democratic member states possessing a weird limbo common sovereignty, government, military, etc, revolving around the principle core members |
| 06:11.03 | Charles_Murray | France isn't powerful because it has a lot of force at its disposal â it doesn't, the people forced it to reduce its standing military to a mere shadow of what it was during the GXS; it's powerful because it's able to balance alliances and orchestrate a favorable status quo for a majority of those involved |
| 06:14.47 | Liquid_Ink | My knowledge of it isn't perfect |
| 06:14.55 | Liquid_Ink | I should read through all the pages in more detail |
| 06:15.20 | Charles_Murray | I'm afraid I've really neglected a lot of my pages >.< |
| 06:15.28 | Charles_Murray | As you saw with the human superstate page |
| 06:16.02 | Charles_Murray | I'd be happy to answer questions, generally we tend to keep each other up to date on IRC, and the pages lag behind |
| 06:16.25 | Liquid_Ink | Your #1 priority honestly is to finish the GXS page. It doesn't even mention that it finished |
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| 06:16.51 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 06:17.47 | Charles_Murray | Liquid_Ink I know :( |
| 06:17.49 | Charles_Murray | Hi Wormy |
| 06:21.03 | Charles_Murray | Yeah, you're absolutely right |
| 06:24.30 | Tek0516 | glances at the time and realizes that if Wormy's up he should probably go to bed now |
| 06:28.23 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 06:28.27 | Charles_Murray | Same ehre |
| 06:30.45 | Wormy_ | Hm, Liquid_Ink, would the Fjord League be part of GCSS? |
| 06:31.19 | Liquid_Ink | quickly looks that up to make it look like he knows things. |
| 06:31.46 | Liquid_Ink | I would imagine so, yes. |
| 06:31.49 | Charles_Murray | Liquid_Ink http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AGrand_Commonwealth_of_Sovereign_States |
| 06:32.04 | Liquid_Ink | I already got it, but thank you anyway |
| 06:40.29 | Wormy_ | I'll be back soon |
| 07:09.59 | Spluff5 | Osprey class battleship. |
| 07:10.02 | Spluff5 | http://imgur.com/NSOWkeS |
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| 07:23.58 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 07:32.16 | Spluff5 | Hi |
| 07:32.36 | Spluff5 | Like my ship design? |
| 07:33.32 | Liquid_Ink | Very circular |
| 07:33.56 | Spluff5 | Wait, can you see stuff posted before you join? |
| 07:34.29 | Liquid_Ink | I have an imgur account |
| 07:45.21 | Spluff5 | I meant for Wormy |
| 07:49.10 | Wormydroid | Nope |
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| 07:50.03 | ImpyDroid | hi |
| 07:50.09 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: http://is.4chan.org/pol/1481510227195.png |
| 07:50.09 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 07:50.56 | Liquid_Ink | The fuck he talking about? |
| 07:51.07 | Liquid_Ink | Anyway Impy I added a new set of servants to the Mali'Nar page |
| 07:51.23 | Wormydroid | Is it NSFW? |
| 07:51.46 | Liquid_Ink | There's swearing |
| 07:53.23 | Wormydroid | Fascism always reliew on a group to place all blame. |
| 08:01.38 | Liquid_Ink | Think mentioning the fictionverse is a kill-trigger for Impy |
| 08:17.51 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: It is a joke |
| 08:17.55 | ImpyDroid | Typical fascist rant |
| 08:18.02 | ImpyDroid | And how fascists actually look IRL |
| 08:18.14 | ImpyDroid | As for the fictionverse, you mean the cold guys? |
| 08:18.18 | Liquid_Ink | Yes |
| 08:18.34 | Liquid_Ink | The Cold Sages |
| 08:18.51 | Liquid_Ink | There were originally going to be "Dark" Sages but that would have been far too cliche |
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| 09:32.58 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. My birthday is in two days. :D |
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| 09:34.29 | Groxkiller98 | WB |
| 09:38.32 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Cyrannic_Imperial_Battlestation - A Death Star... Cyrannian never ceases to amaze me at how much Star Wars he can Sporeify... |
| 09:46.18 | Groxkiller98 | Question: Am I still the baby writer on the wiki? |
| 10:00.30 | Groxkiller98 | Guys? |
| 10:00.50 | Liquid_Ink | I wouldn't think so |
| 10:01.45 | Groxkiller98 | Alright. So, who would be newer than me? |
| 10:02.02 | Liquid_Ink | You've got me there |
| 10:02.43 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 10:02.46 | Groxkiller98 | So, I am. |
| 10:03.40 | Groxkiller98 | I'm considering Retconning the Ankoran and Teyan empires. |
| 10:04.00 | Groxkiller98 | But they've interacted with the Xilic and Draekar Remenants. |
| 10:20.46 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Tana%27Suloni Started work on that 'Anti-Essence' character. |
| 10:23.10 | Groxkiller98 | Mind giving me your thoughts? |
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| 10:47.18 | Groxkiller98 | Hey again. |
| 10:48.00 | NeonPanda | hi |
| 10:55.41 | Groxkiller98 | Started this - http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mithadorn_Republic/War_Clans |
| 11:07.41 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Tana%27Suloni |
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| 11:37.45 | Groxkiller98 | I'm wondering, who here has colonies in Andromeda? |
| 11:39.22 | Ghelae | Everyone who's on the wiki except me (and that's because Apalos doesn't do colonies), I think. |
| 11:40.51 | Ghelae | That is to say, Charles (French Andromeda), Drodo (Drodo Andromedan colonies), Imp (Divinarium) and Panda (although I can't remember which of his fictions are Andromedan). |
| 11:42.16 | Groxkiller98 | Well, I know Charles does, since I'm selling resources to him. |
| 11:42.31 | Groxkiller98 | I'm interested in making more connections. |
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| 11:59.19 | NeonPanda | hi oluap |
| 12:00.38 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 12:01.54 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 12:02.12 | Groxkiller98 | Oluap, Essence was your idea, right? |
| 12:03.23 | OluapPlayer | No |
| 12:03.33 | OluapPlayer | It already existed before I arrived |
| 12:04.28 | Groxkiller98 | Who's was it then? |
| 12:04.52 | OluapPlayer | Don't know |
| 12:05.19 | OluapPlayer | Probably either Xho or Valader, who's not active anymore |
| 12:05.51 | Groxkiller98 | Hm. Who was the expert on it, then? |
| 12:06.37 | OluapPlayer | Xho, Ghelae, Wormy |
| 12:07.07 | Groxkiller98 | Right. |
| 12:07.09 | Groxkiller98 | Thanks. |
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| 13:43.31 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 13:44.24 | Ghelae | Hi |
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| 14:46.44 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 14:49.46 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 14:50.41 | Groxkiller98 | Going to do some more work on Tana'Suloni. |
| 14:51.17 | Groxkiller98 | >_> I still somewhat regret how long some Mithadorn names end up getting. |
| 14:51.38 | Groxkiller98 | Saeyo'Kaanavas is a prime example. |
| 14:52.55 | Hachiman | Could give them nicknames or just retcon |
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| 14:54.15 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 14:54.21 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer Hachiman: https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2016/3/17/1111157.jpeg |
| 14:54.39 | Hachiman | hur |
| 14:55.15 | Charles_Murray | Impydroid http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Alliances_and_commitments behold |
| 15:00.17 | ImpyDroid | Charles_Murray: "Alliences and commitments, ou combien la Nation de Rambo suce" |
| 15:00.55 | Charles_Murray | Why would that be the case? xD |
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| 15:04.47 | Groxkiller98 | Hey, Tek. |
| 15:08.22 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Tana%27Suloni - I'm wondering. What would happen if she walked up to an Xhodocto. |
| 15:09.58 | OluapPlayer | She'd probably get erased from existence faster than you can blink |
| 15:10.06 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 15:10.17 | Groxkiller98 | But Essence doesn't work on her. Or around her. |
| 15:10.44 | OluapPlayer | Xhodocto manipulate the fabric of reality, not essence |
| 15:10.49 | Groxkiller98 | Fair point. |
| 15:11.00 | Groxkiller98 | An actual Essential then? |
| 15:11.30 | OluapPlayer | Probably the same result since Essentials are gods |
| 15:11.32 | Hachiman | Xhodocto are 'beyond' Essentials |
| 15:11.44 | Ghelae | And at best,"Essence doesn't work around her" only works for actual Essence negation, which - as I mentioned - is problematic, as opposed to counter-Essence. |
| 15:12.08 | Hachiman | Also, Essence powers, including negation, can be overcome |
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| 15:12.44 | Groxkiller98 | The idea was that she's a Blank from WH40K |
| 15:12.58 | Groxkiller98 | So, Essence breaks around her somehow. |
| 15:13.04 | ImpyDroid | These can still be killed |
| 15:13.04 | OluapPlayer | A blank is nothing to a Chaos God |
| 15:13.08 | Groxkiller98 | True. |
| 15:13.20 | Groxkiller98 | Bullets kill her. Essence Magic doesn't. |
| 15:13.34 | Groxkiller98 | The giant box thrown by Essence magic... Probably does some damage too. |
| 15:13.35 | ImpyDroid | An Essential can still punch her |
| 15:13.51 | Hachiman | A Blank is barely anything compared to an ancient enough Eldar Farseer |
| 15:14.06 | ImpyDroid | I remember no rules about, say, Culexus assassins or Necrons Pariahs being kmvulnerable to Blooodthirster axes |
| 15:14.07 | ImpyDroid | *in |
| 15:14.50 | Hachiman | If an Essence user cannot kill you to death directly with Essence, they will manipulate reality to indirectly do so |
| 15:15.21 | OluapPlayer | kill you to death |
| 15:15.22 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah. That makes sense. |
| 15:15.23 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 15:15.25 | Ghelae | We also discussed that the descriptions of Blanks are not entirely unambiguous. |
| 15:15.38 | Groxkiller98 | I remember. |
| 15:16.03 | Groxkiller98 | Just thinking, at what point should her ability to break Essence... break down. |
| 15:16.23 | Groxkiller98 | An Essential is pretty powerful, so something that immense probably should. |
| 15:16.54 | Ghelae | Yes. |
| 15:16.57 | ImpyDroid | I'd say she'd defeat weaker Nars but nothing stronger than that |
| 15:17.05 | Groxkiller98 | Major demons too? |
| 15:17.06 | OluapPlayer | Essentials are gods, claiming your character can overpower them will get them negated by the rest of the userbase |
| 15:17.15 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah, ofc. |
| 15:17.17 | ImpyDroid | That |
| 15:17.22 | Groxkiller98 | I'd never try take on a god. XD |
| 15:17.30 | Groxkiller98 | That's be... well, pretty stupid. |
| 15:17.41 | Hachiman | I'd say it's when you starts getting to demigod-level characters that your reliability falters |
| 15:17.48 | Hachiman | Characters like Kol Daren or Hachiman |
| 15:17.56 | Groxkiller98 | That seems like a good point then. |
| 15:19.04 | Hachiman | Draconis anti-Essence technology can affect characters like Hachi, but its reliability breaks down the more they become adjusted to it so its usage is rather limited if you cannot kill or subjugate your target as quickly as possible |
| 15:19.15 | ImpyDroid | She'd be pretty useful against mooks but not named characters |
| 15:19.17 | ImpyDroid | I guess |
| 15:19.22 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah. |
| 15:19.33 | Hachiman | Meanwhile, I'm imagining someone like Tana would be reliable against lower-level Essence users far more persistently |
| 15:19.40 | Groxkiller98 | Maybe she gives some more powerful things a minor headache at worst? |
| 15:20.09 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 15:20.09 | ImpyDroid | Like, say Iovera or Hachiman? |
| 15:20.13 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah. |
| 15:20.20 | ImpyDroid | Would make sense |
| 15:20.34 | Groxkiller98 | Maybe they can feel her, or lack of her, but it doesn't really do anything else. |
| 15:21.28 | Hachiman | One thing you have to consider; if she works in the same functional manner as a Blank, she will also be affecting any Essence-using allies she has that are not powerful enough to resist negation |
| 15:21.41 | Groxkiller98 | Oh, yeah. I know that. |
| 15:21.48 | Groxkiller98 | That's how she works. |
| 15:27.24 | Groxkiller98 | I've just had a thought. What if she could be overwhelmed by too much Essence, effectively knocking her unconscious. |
| 15:27.31 | Hachiman | Makes sense |
| 15:27.51 | Groxkiller98 | Like if a Psyker was suddenly blasted by The Warp or something. |
| 15:28.33 | Hachiman | I think there was a time a bunch of human psykers struggled to stand in the same room as a particularly powerful or ancient Farseer at some point in WH40K lore |
| 15:29.08 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 15:29.42 | Groxkiller98 | Sounds like something Tzeentch would set up. |
| 15:30.41 | Hachiman | Nah, Farseers are just THAT potent as psykers |
| 15:31.40 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah. But it sounds like he's have organised it. |
| 15:31.51 | Groxkiller98 | Because Chaos Gods like to do weird stuff to people. |
| 15:32.15 | Groxkiller98 | And Tzeentch is effectively the god of psychic magic. |
| 15:44.29 | Groxkiller98 | Oh, by the way... My birthday is in two days. :3 |
| 15:46.11 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: The way I understand, Eldar Farseers are better psykers overall but are outclassed in *combat* |
| 15:46.32 | ImpyDroid | Orks and humies have stronger combat abilities |
| 15:46.39 | Hachiman | That's arguable |
| 15:47.01 | ImpyDroid | Not all humans but the strongest ones |
| 15:47.12 | ImpyDroid | Malcador, Magnus, et cetera |
| 15:47.15 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 15:47.44 | Hachiman | I was going to say, consider that the average Eldar fights roughly on par with the average Astartes |
| 15:47.59 | Groxkiller98 | Dakka beats all. |
| 15:48.13 | Hachiman | I was also going to bring up the fact that Eldar Warlocks exist |
| 15:48.22 | Hachiman | And that they are combat-centric psykers |
| 15:49.31 | ImpyDroid | Yeah but there are not as powerful as for them psyker-ness is like a part-time job |
| 15:49.46 | ImpyDroid | Unlike for Farseers which are devoted solely to it |
| 15:50.01 | Hachiman | Yeah, Warlocks are more niche |
| 15:50.36 | Hachiman | Also I never thought of Malcador as much of a combatant |
| 15:51.09 | Hachiman | I just thought he was an exceptionally wise human |
| 15:51.12 | ImpyDroid | First two OP psykers I could think of |
| 15:51.21 | ImpyDroid | He was one of the strongest psykers ever AFAIK |
| 15:51.59 | Hachiman | Eldrad was also an exceptionally powerful psyker |
| 15:52.31 | ImpyDroid | Among humans I mean |
| 15:52.48 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 15:53.23 | Hachiman | Yeah, Magnus and presumably Malcador were the two most powerful human psykers to have ever existed barring the Emperor Himself |
| 15:53.52 | OluapPlayer | >capitalizing Him referring to the Emperor fukin corpse worshiper |
| 15:54.03 | Hachiman | hes actually a god tho |
| 15:54.57 | ImpyDroid | DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT HIS SOUL WAS PICKED CLEAN |
| 15:55.00 | ImpyDroid | CENTURIES AGO |
| 15:55.31 | Groxkiller98 | xd |
| 15:55.33 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 15:55.48 | Groxkiller98 | Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne! |
| 15:56.27 | ImpyDroid | >is a psyker |
| 15:56.57 | OluapPlayer | Khorne needs to stop being a bitch, he's made of magic hur |
| 15:57.01 | Hachiman | I remember reading something about Khornate psykers a while ago actually |
| 15:57.57 | ImpyDroid | I made homebrew rules about Khorne magic as a kid |
| 15:58.13 | Hachiman | That there are, or logically should be, psykers who practice Khornate traditions such as being engaged in frontline combat and utilising melee weaponry in conjunction with their psychic powers to cause their enemies to be rendered a bloody, gory mess up close |
| 15:58.23 | ImpyDroid | One spell I remember |
| 15:58.34 | ImpyDroid | Exploding yourself and killing everything around you |
| 15:58.57 | OluapPlayer | Kamikaze magic |
| 15:59.04 | Groxkiller98 | From my understanding, Khorne's opinion is... "Magic is unmanly, grab a sword (or a 16-inch battleship cannon, if that's your thing) and go kill like real men do already." |
| 15:59.28 | OluapPlayer | Which is dumb because Khorne is sentient magic |
| 15:59.28 | Groxkiller98 | Magical swords are okay though. |
| 16:00.03 | Hachiman | The Blood Pact, a traitorous Chaos Guard group dedicated to Khorne, actually utilise 'Gore Mages' who are Khornate psykers |
| 16:00.15 | Hachiman | But I've always been a little iffy about the Blood Pact |
| 16:00.34 | OluapPlayer | Sword & magic should be fair game. It's about the same as Sword & gun |
| 16:00.55 | OluapPlayer | blood pact |
| 16:01.06 | OluapPlayer | dats a mass effect faction |
| 16:01.18 | Hachiman | http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_Pact bruh |
| 16:01.40 | Groxkiller98 | " Magic is unmanly, grab a sword (or a 16-inch battleship cannon, if that's your thing) and go kill like real men do already." - Oh gods, this made me laugh. |
| 16:01.53 | Groxkiller98 | "In short he hates everyone and pissed at everyone, including you even if you worship him(usually its a matter how pissed it is at you). And they hate him too. Except Nurgle, who's too nice to hate anyone. Except Tzeentch. The know-it-all, indecisive, over-thinking, birdy bastard..." even... |
| 16:02.04 | OluapPlayer | http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_Pack two can play at dat game |
| 16:02.31 | OluapPlayer | Ah it's Pack and not Pact |
| 16:02.34 | OluapPlayer | I was off by one letter |
| 16:02.43 | Hachiman | I love the fact that the Blood Pack was founded because one krogan punched his wife or something |
| 16:02.44 | OluapPlayer | I was 95% right tho |
| 16:02.53 | Groxkiller98 | xd |
| 16:02.54 | Hachiman | >domestic violence leads to mercenary founding |
| 16:02.55 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 16:03.00 | Groxkiller98 | Seriously? |
| 16:03.02 | OluapPlayer | "Exiled for striking a female in anger, Wrang obsessed over reclaiming his lost status." |
| 16:03.04 | Charles_Murray | Get rekt http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_Pact |
| 16:03.14 | Groxkiller98 | Warcraft! :D |
| 16:05.12 | Hachiman | I believe that Khorne accepts Sorcerers whose work involves actually getting into the thick of battle - such as the practices required to summon Khornate daemons into the Materium |
| 16:05.26 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Blood Pact = Chaos Guard |
| 16:05.42 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: But Blood Pact is best |
| 16:05.53 | OluapPlayer | Are you dum, I was joking |
| 16:05.59 | Hachiman | I dunno, Blood Pact just seems a little odd |
| 16:05.59 | ImpyDroid | Like IG + CSM |
| 16:06.02 | ImpyDroid | Is awesome |
| 16:06.25 | ImpyDroid | Chaos Space Marines |
| 16:06.27 | Hachiman | I've always seen Khorne and his followers portrayed in 40k as angry retards so |
| 16:06.33 | ImpyDroid | But without the retarded part |
| 16:06.38 | ImpyDroid | Without Space Marines |
| 16:07.02 | Groxkiller98 | Just be glad you're not talking to a Slanneshi... |
| 16:07.11 | Hachiman | Slaanesh is a fucking bitch |
| 16:07.27 | Groxkiller98 | Who is probably doing something sickening to something else that's also sickening, |
| 16:07.38 | OluapPlayer | nurgle best chaos god |
| 16:07.45 | OluapPlayer | gork & mork best gods period |
| 16:07.50 | Hachiman | Nurgle is probably my favourite Chaos God in 40k |
| 16:07.54 | ImpyDroid | I have no real preference other than a dislike of Khorne |
| 16:08.00 | Hachiman | With Khorne being my favourite in FB |
| 16:08.15 | ImpyDroid | FB Khorne is better yeah |
| 16:08.22 | ImpyDroid | He has more depth |
| 16:08.28 | OluapPlayer | I want a story where Gork and Mork stop fighting each other and go on an adventure where they beat the Chaos Gods up for fun |
| 16:08.28 | Hachiman | I dislike the 40k interpretation of Khorne with a passion so I can understand disliking him |
| 16:08.42 | ImpyDroid | Overall though |
| 16:08.48 | ImpyDroid | Sotek best god |
| 16:08.50 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: That's essentially what they're doing through Ghazghkull |
| 16:08.51 | ImpyDroid | Old Ones best gods |
| 16:09.15 | OluapPlayer | Skully is too busy fighting Tyranids |
| 16:09.39 | Groxkiller98 | Tzeentch is my favorite. |
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| 16:09.51 | Hachiman | Hi Tree |
| 16:09.51 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 16:09.51 | OluapPlayer | I'll never remember that name |
| 16:10.00 | OluapPlayer | It's a goddamn nightmare |
| 16:10.08 | Hachiman | Tzeentch or Ghazghkull? |
| 16:10.13 | OluapPlayer | Ghazghkull |
| 16:10.26 | OluapPlayer | Ghaghhzhzghzg |
| 16:10.27 | ImpyDroid | This reminds me of that fanfic where the Tyranids spend so much time fighting Orks that they eventually merge into Tyranorks |
| 16:10.28 | Hachiman | hur |
| 16:10.36 | Groxkiller98 | Haha. |
| 16:10.38 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Warhammer 50k |
| 16:10.41 | Groxkiller98 | https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Game_(Tzeentch) |
| 16:10.49 | Hachiman | I remember that fanfic and I am very fond of it hur |
| 16:10.49 | ImpyDroid | Shape of Nightmare to Come yeah |
| 16:10.54 | OluapPlayer | That's the plot of the Ork Empire of Octavius atm tho |
| 16:10.57 | Groxkiller98 | That's the only place I can get WH40K stuff in college. |
| 16:11.03 | ImpyDroid | Tyranorks |
| 16:11.21 | Hachiman | I mean, Tyranorks are technically already a thing |
| 16:11.22 | OluapPlayer | Orks vs Tyranids, whoever survives will be stronger than when they started |
| 16:11.37 | Hachiman | With that particular Tyranid unit that is made through Ork bio-material |
| 16:11.38 | ImpyDroid | Biovores? |
| 16:11.41 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 16:12.00 | ImpyDroid | Ork blood gives it additional dakka |
| 16:12.08 | Hachiman | Befittingly, since they're Ork-derived, Biovores look fucking retarded |
| 16:12.20 | OluapPlayer | could be worse |
| 16:12.22 | OluapPlayer | could be pyrovores |
| 16:12.29 | Hachiman | My God |
| 16:12.30 | Groxkiller98 | Oh, god no. |
| 16:12.34 | Groxkiller98 | Run away! |
| 16:12.38 | Groxkiller98 | Run away! D: |
| 16:13.01 | ImpyDroid | These were created with Emperor's Children genes |
| 16:13.27 | Groxkiller98 | Gotta go. Later. |
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| 16:42.55 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 16:43.11 | Treebeard | Hello |
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| 16:57.34 | OluapPlayer | imp finish section pls |
| 17:15.51 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Borealis_Galactic_War/Part_1#Reinforcements_from_Plazith_Rim it didn't make sense for Baptarion to be a commanding officer, so I'm fixing that |
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| 17:25.20 | dino82_ | hi |
| 17:25.44 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 17:26.10 | dino82_ | howz all doing |
| 17:48.06 | dino82_ | ? |
| 17:56.04 | Imperios | Okay-ish |
| 18:01.26 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://2ch.hk/po/src/19755441/14815625638150.webm |
| 18:09.01 | Imperios | Hachiman OluapPlayer: https://2ch.hk/po/src/19755441/14815594774630.jpg Russian rebels in Ukraine |
| 18:09.19 | OluapPlayer | wut |
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| 18:20.48 | dino82_ | Hi Random |
| 18:20.55 | The_Randomness | Hello |
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| 18:23.52 | dino82_ | hi charles! |
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| 18:26.57 | Monet | hi |
| 18:27.23 | The_Randomness | Hello |
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| 18:59.21 | Wormydroid | This world is horrendously tragic http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/38293294 |
| 18:59.33 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 18:59.57 | Xho | Hi |
| 19:01.15 | dino82_ | hi |
| 19:02.40 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 19:03.15 | Monet | Hi |
| 19:03.25 | Monet | WormyDroid: At least he passed away happy. |
| 19:04.23 | Xho | Wow internet is slow |
| 19:05.36 | Xho | Monet: So Mirus actually responded positively to it jesus christ m9 |
| 19:06.57 | Monet | I was a little surprised as well. |
| 19:07.27 | Xho | Kicath - no mirus genocide might as well put away the dreadnoughts then |
| 19:07.34 | Xho | I kid |
| 19:07.39 | Xho | or do i |
| 19:08.33 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman Imperios: So we have Gnomes but do we have halflings in the Fantasyverse |
| 19:08.40 | Imperios | No |
| 19:08.59 | OluapPlayer | No one has made any |
| 19:10.35 | Xho | time for hobbits and isengard and shit |
| 19:10.43 | Xho | Or not, I don't feel like making halflings |
| 19:13.10 | Xho | I quoted the gnomes btw |
| 19:13.15 | dino82_ | @mirus galaxy: perhaps time for the rambo to intervere there as well |
| 19:13.18 | dino82_ | hehehehe |
| 19:15.37 | Monet | Draconis - But things are improving |
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| 19:17.52 | NeonPanda | Hi all |
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| 19:18.50 | Cyrannian | Hello |
| 19:19.09 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 19:19.28 | Monet | dino82_: The situation Xho mentions has passed now, honestly |
| 19:20.32 | dino82_ | @Monet: Ah too bad! Perhapstey might iginte it! Just to probe or annoy the xonexi :D |
| 19:20.33 | dino82_ | or no |
| 19:20.34 | dino82_ | t |
| 19:22.51 | Xho | I'm thinking about Kicathian politics atm |
| 19:22.59 | Monet | Well looking at the situation the primary panic was Draocnis interference would unleash some eldritch horror on the galaxy. |
| 19:23.34 | Xho | With the Avalotur Covenant and the lack of action against it as well as rising tensions in Mirus, Kitravasuron might have a low approval rating |
| 19:24.10 | Monet | The viceroy herself however assured that the Draconis have no interest in interfering with Mirusian religion, even if there is regular ritual sacrifice going on. |
| 19:29.54 | Xho | Going back to Tuuros, I might remake the Asilaphean model as humanoid |
| 19:35.22 | Monet | Xho: I can see some potential for Kitravasuron being seen as ineffectual, perhaps |
| 19:35.33 | Monet | among the Kicath ,at least |
| 20:25.42 | Xho | Holy shit I just found an old school Xbox in a wardrobe |
| 20:29.52 | NeonPanda | sweet, does it work? |
| 20:30.52 | Xho | Dunno |
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| 20:32.03 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 20:33.06 | NeonPanda | if it does it's somewhat valuable as a collector piece, if not they're relatively cheap to repair if you find the right service |
| 20:33.08 | NeonPanda | hi Drodo |
| 20:33.10 | Tek0516 | Hey Drodo |
| 20:33.44 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 20:34.00 | dino82_ | hi |
| 20:53.29 | Xho | Well I just got the news that my great aunt has passed away |
| 20:53.36 | Xho | That was much longer and drawn out than it should have been |
| 20:56.27 | DrodoEmpire | I'm sorry to hear, Xho |
| 21:03.29 | Monet | My condolences. |
| 21:04.01 | Hachiman | Ouch |
| 21:09.53 | Imperios | Xho: May she rest in peace in whatever afterlife there is |
| 21:24.12 | Hachiman | Ghelae NeonPanda Monet: So, I found this comment on a post about how the 'brightest supernova ever' was actually something to do with a monster black hole |
| 21:24.17 | Hachiman | "can it be that this so cold black hole are just stars with black fire energy which can' t feel but its like acid and destroys everything in another point of view why would a star shine more than usually when getting into SCBH if not for getting destroyed" |
| 21:25.18 | Monet | "Like acid" eh? |
| 21:25.52 | Hachiman | "black fire energy" |
| 21:26.48 | Monet | That *kind* of defies the principle of the EM spectrum |
| 21:27.46 | Monet | He's right that black holes do emit a form of energy. |
| 21:28.16 | Monet | Though I think the energy is a hypothesis |
| 21:28.19 | Hachiman | He is not right in the regard that black holes are "just stars with black fire energy" |
| 21:29.21 | Monet | No that's a bit stupid |
| 21:29.43 | Monet | Points for him for understanding that black holes are not frikking holes. |
| 21:34.35 | Monet | but minus points for mistaking black as something registerable on the colour spectrum. |
| 21:39.05 | Charles_Murray | Imperios: https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://t2.gstatic.com/images%3Fq%3Dtbn:ANd9GcRKBHojfMGwDHgan57gfoS05iiR3OLfgSO0aF8xkLCDpsFGdFaf&imgrefurl=http://books.google.com/books/about/Sex_Politics_and_Putin.html%3Fid%3DkmjDBAAAQBAJ%26source%3Dkp_cover&h=1080&w=715&tbnid=Msom76rSEKuvXM:&vet=1&tbnh=160&tbnw=106&docid=m36r2Mv2t_lNqM&itg=1&usg=__G4pc1ehB8kpiNqc0olFbciI6x0g=&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj2tabszu_QAhUBVywKHVuEBAIQ_B0IYTA |
| 21:39.10 | Charles_Murray | I love this |
| 21:40.06 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Nobody actually cares about manly Putin pictures in Russia |
| 21:40.23 | Imperios | I only ever see them in shops made for foreigners |
| 21:40.37 | Imperios | Russian portrayals show him... well... clothed |
| 21:40.43 | Charles_Murray | Yeah of course, it's just a trope xD |
| 21:41.40 | Imperios | Funny thing is the greatest proponent of homophobia in Russia is a fucking faggot |
| 21:42.20 | Imperios | http://ppt.ru/images/person/8299.jpg He looks... dunno |
| 21:42.21 | Monet | Maybe it says something about Western attitudes when we make a much bigger deal about Shirtless Putin. |
| 21:42.21 | Imperios | sisy |
| 21:42.23 | Imperios | siss |
| 21:42.24 | Imperios | sissy |
| 21:44.17 | Imperios | He also walked through Petersburg wearing a dress |
| 21:44.50 | Imperios | Charles_Murray Monet: https://youtu.be/lkWeuXf6Y8I?t=285 Behold, the mastermind behind the anti-gay laws in Russia |
| 21:45.22 | Imperios | He's the redhead one with glasses and a huge cross |
| 21:45.37 | Monet | Imperios: I think it might more go in line with this idea that sometimes those most strongly against homosexuals have had negative experiences. |
| 21:46.09 | Imperios | He actually said something that makes me think he was once homosexual |
| 21:46.19 | Imperios | As in had homosexual experience |
| 21:46.39 | DrodoEmpire | ? |
| 21:47.32 | Imperios | "If a man engages in homosexual acts while searching for himself, just to try it, it is forgivable and this man can be saved. But only if this happened ONCE." |
| 21:48.04 | Imperios | This kind of makes me think he was once in love with a man, maybe tried having sex and had a bad experience during it |
| 21:48.12 | Imperios | Which made him hate homosexuality in general |
| 21:48.45 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps |
| 21:49.14 | DrodoEmpire | Reading quite a lot into that though |
| 21:49.31 | Imperios | It was him who was that specific, though |
| 21:49.52 | Imperios | Milonov is a rather eccentric person in general |
| 21:50.11 | Imperios | Do you have that MP/Senator/whatever who constantly suggests retarded things? |
| 21:50.28 | DrodoEmpire | What? |
| 21:50.33 | DrodoEmpire | Be more specific. |
| 21:51.38 | DrodoEmpire | There are many MPs who constantly suggest many retarded things |
| 21:51.39 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 21:51.44 | Imperios | An eccentric conservative member of the legislature who proposes very hardline conservative laws to the point they are nonsensical |
| 21:51.50 | Imperios | Like giving passports to embryos |
| 21:51.56 | DrodoEmpire | No |
| 21:52.05 | DrodoEmpire | Canada has the opposite problem |
| 21:52.14 | Imperios | "BECAUSE IT'S 2016" |
| 21:52.45 | Imperios | So some leftist nuts? |
| 21:52.50 | Imperios | What kind of laws do they propose? |
| 21:52.51 | DrodoEmpire | Many leftist nuts |
| 21:53.46 | Imperios | Fining men for looking at women or something? |
| 21:53.57 | DrodoEmpire | But I don't really want to discuss it right now |
| 21:54.15 | ImpyDroid | Our government sometimes uses news like this as a form of scaremongering |
| 21:54.39 | ImpyDroid | Like when the USA replaced the "Mother" and "Father" in documents with "Parent 1" and "Parent 2" |
| 21:54.45 | Monet | I heard something about a proposal in the EU to freeze pay for men over 2017 but this could be sensationalism |
| 21:55.01 | ImpyDroid | Russian news used it for sensationalism and to show how decadent the US are |
| 21:55.27 | DrodoEmpire | Eh whatever |
| 21:56.06 | Hachiman | >passports to embryos |
| 21:56.08 | Hachiman | What the fuck |
| 21:56.15 | Hachiman | Sounds like something Boris Johnson would say |
| 21:56.19 | ImpyDroid | This bill wasn't actually passed |
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| 21:57.12 | Xho | An idea just crossed my mind for the Tuuros Galaxy |
| 21:57.15 | DrodoEmpire | I don't know the exact details, but basically the big controversy right now is that there is a bill being debated right now that'd essentially force Canadians to address people by whatever pronouns the target wants them to |
| 21:57.41 | ImpyDroid | Ohgodlol |
| 21:57.43 | Monet | Xho: What is it? |
| 21:58.01 | ImpyDroid | "Did you just ASSUME my pronouns" |
| 21:58.11 | Hachiman | Fucking leftist libtards |
| 21:58.21 | DrodoEmpire | I don't have a strong opinion on the whole gender thing-- if there's more than two genders show me the evidence then-- but this is yeah violating people's speech |
| 21:58.30 | Xho | I was thinking of a species that was artificially constructed from whatever genetic remnants were left of the Zhulultu after their disappearance |
| 21:58.39 | DrodoEmpire | Its not a hate crime to misgender someone, at worst its a bit rude |
| 21:59.13 | Hachiman | Next thing you know, 'manspreading' will be deemed a serious criminal offense |
| 21:59.14 | ImpyDroid | One word |
| 21:59.16 | ImpyDroid | Topkek |
| 21:59.19 | Xho | As in, perhaps a particular Zhulultu deconstructed his being and formed it into another species |
| 21:59.23 | Xho | Hachiman: Penises are criminal |
| 21:59.35 | ImpyDroid | *Benises |
| 21:59.35 | Hachiman | Xho: So, kinda like how the Vida'Rra did that with a couple of species? |
| 22:00.02 | Xho | oh ffs dam u oluap |
| 22:00.03 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Did you just ASSUME that shi was actually a man? |
| 22:00.10 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.21 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Did you just address me by 'you' and not 'xou' |
| 22:00.22 | ImpyDroid | Shi was actually an agender demisexual |
| 22:00.22 | Xho | But only one species mind you |
| 22:00.28 | ImpyDroid | Check your privilege! |
| 22:00.45 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Well, trans people |
| 22:00.48 | Hachiman | Monet: Because unfortunately sex and gender are different things |
| 22:00.53 | Hachiman | Well, not unfortunately |
| 22:01.01 | DrodoEmpire | Not *really*, that's still controverisal |
| 22:01.10 | ImpyDroid | Well yeah some people have gender dysphoria |
| 22:01.12 | DrodoEmpire | But transgenderism is probably a real thing |
| 22:01.14 | Monet | Hachiman: I understand but people are mixing them up. |
| 22:01.15 | ImpyDroid | But these are pretty rare |
| 22:01.23 | ImpyDroid | Transtrenders are the worst tho |
| 22:01.35 | Xho | I don't actually know what a genetically reconstructed descendant of a Zhulultu would look like |
| 22:01.39 | ImpyDroid | I happen to know a few teenage girls who are into that |
| 22:01.40 | Xho | Probably nothing too attractive |
| 22:01.45 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.58 | ImpyDroid | ...I am not complaining |
| 22:02.09 | Hachiman | Xho: Would they have knowledge that they are the reconstructed descendants of the Zhulultu and if so, how would it affect them as a society and culture? |
| 22:02.27 | Xho | I think they could piece it together all things considered |
| 22:02.37 | Xho | They'd probably have a superiority complex because of it |
| 22:02.41 | ImpyDroid | Though I suppose all this trans Tumblr thingajing is a way for young people, especially girls, to find themselves |
| 22:02.49 | Xho | "we're actually the children of god so bow to us" |
| 22:02.57 | Monet | Xho: What they look like could depend on how much Zhul DNA they inherit. |
| 22:03.03 | DrodoEmpire | For some maybe |
| 22:03.15 | DrodoEmpire | Different story when its college-aged people doing it |
| 22:03.29 | Hachiman | I was just gonna say that it might be wise that, unless they serve as antagonists, it might be a wise option to differentiate yourselves from a social and cultural standpoint from your rather controversial forebears |
| 22:03.34 | ImpyDroid | They are trying to explore their identities and all that, I think that by 30 or so most of these "agender demisexual panromantics" become normal people if they are not actually LGBT |
| 22:03.46 | Hachiman | Also I fucked up my sentence but meh |
| 22:03.49 | Xho | They'd likely be part of the Schism if they were Zhulultu descendants |
| 22:03.49 | ImpyDroid | Yeah when people of older age are doing that is weird |
| 22:03.58 | Xho | So they would be almost innately antagonistic |
| 22:03.59 | DrodoEmpire | And yeah the thing is that a lot of this comes from academia, not shit on Tumblr |
| 22:04.05 | ImpyDroid | Though I guess if they do not try to bring it u0 it is okay |
| 22:04.27 | Xho | Probably to the point where The Congregation didn't want to mess with their level of dickery |
| 22:04.40 | Xho | Or Zhuleshxi considered them a memento of his past |
| 22:04.43 | Xho | One or the other |
| 22:04.46 | Xho | Or both |
| 22:05.26 | NeonPanda | see here's the thing, and this is all I'm going to say on the matter: several societies historically have recognised multiple "genders" but only two "sexes," thing is there's a bunch of people trying to conflate the two |
| 22:05.46 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 22:05.54 | ImpyDroid | Xho: Tiny Zhulultu descendants with high-pitched voices and German accents |
| 22:05.59 | Hachiman | See, I'd probably consider it maybe a little more interesting if the Descendants that modelled themselves after the Zhulultu were a minority or radical faction while the others are somewhat more benevolent and tolerable but that's just me |
| 22:06.02 | DrodoEmpire | To the point that many people are saying that biological sex doesn't exist |
| 22:06.12 | ImpyDroid | TBH I am a bit confused by the definition of gender |
| 22:06.13 | DrodoEmpire | Academics-- not in actual sciences of course |
| 22:06.22 | DrodoEmpire | But in 'gender studies' courses and the sor |
| 22:06.23 | DrodoEmpire | *sort |
| 22:06.33 | Monet | Well t those people I ask what the hell is that extra bit of chromosome par 23. |
| 22:06.36 | Xho | Hachiman: My thoguht process is if that you're descended from the most asshole ultraterrestrial in the known omniverse you are also going to be an asshole |
| 22:06.50 | ImpyDroid | Some claim it is a state of feeling you belong to a certain sex, in which case it'd be only 2 genders |
| 22:06.59 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: their ideology has that strong of a pull |
| 22:07.02 | Xho | Ultraterrestrial species that is |
| 22:07.17 | Xho | Particular Oikoumene could be worse |
| 22:07.38 | ImpyDroid | Others claim it is a societal role related to it, like "wearing pink" or "watching MLP" or "liking football" |
| 22:07.56 | Monet | DrodEmpire: I momentarily forgot some people willingly deny the accomplishments of science. |
| 22:07.59 | ImpyDroid | In which case there can be intermediaries between several tenders |
| 22:08.03 | ImpyDroid | *genders |
| 22:08.27 | ImpyDroid | And indeed many societies had the concept of a third gender and even considered it to be a natural thing |
| 22:08.34 | Xho | That level of altruism and general hatred for all things inferior is probably so hardwired into a Zhulultu it influences the psychology of their descendants |
| 22:08.39 | ImpyDroid | Men who are girly and are neither men or women |
| 22:08.41 | DrodoEmpire | The issue I have with multiple genders is that they almost always push "male" and "female" to the polar extremes of said expression |
| 22:08.45 | NeonPanda | there's one east asian society that used to recognise five genders |
| 22:08.58 | Monet | Xho: Cyr can say for certain but I think it is mentioned somewhere the Capricornians have a 'touch' of Oikoumene heritage. |
| 22:09.03 | DrodoEmpire | When that isn't true |
| 22:09.04 | ImpyDroid | NeonPanda: And even today there are ladybugs in Thailand which consider themselves to be neither men nor women |
| 22:09.08 | ImpyDroid | *ladyboys |
| 22:09.13 | Hachiman | olol |
| 22:09.22 | ImpyDroid | MIRACULOUS LADYBOY |
| 22:09.29 | DrodoEmpire | You *can* be a man without being hyper-butch and eat steaks as every meal in the day |
| 22:09.35 | NeonPanda | they still identify as male on some level, they're just not quite the same |
| 22:09.44 | Xho | Monet: I'd imagine most species in Cyrannus are Oikoumene descendants or influenced, much like Tuuros with the Zhulultu |
| 22:09.52 | DrodoEmpire | Well yeah, you can be effeminate |
| 22:09.54 | NeonPanda | anyway, fortunately the only non-binary friend I have is not a twat and recognises that biologically her sex is female, just her gender is not |
| 22:09.57 | Xho | Their galaxies definitely reflect on their precursors |
| 22:10.15 | Monet | The Capricornais iirc are supposed to be preferential cases. |
| 22:10.32 | Xho | Maybe not so much Tuuros since Tuuros was actually an unnatural machine of the Zhulultu's making during their tme |
| 22:10.33 | Xho | time |
| 22:10.33 | DrodoEmpire | Ultimately I'm not sure if this is a scientific matter, but I remain skeptical of all this gender stuff |
| 22:10.39 | DrodoEmpire | So I'll leave it there |
| 22:10.58 | ImpyDroid | NeonPanda: I had a genderqueer acquaintance but TBH I never understood her arguments |
| 22:11.13 | OluapPlayer | The Oikoumene created the Capricyránae to be galactic keepers after they left |
| 22:11.20 | ImpyDroid | "Well, I am a girl biologically but I can be boyish at times so I'm genderqueer" |
| 22:11.27 | OluapPlayer | The Libertus in specific are meant to be the Oikoumene's successors |
| 22:11.29 | ImpyDroid | That kind of argument can be applied to me |
| 22:11.41 | ImpyDroid | I like a lot of girly stuff but that does not make me a girl |
| 22:11.42 | Monet | Well there you go. |
| 22:11.44 | DrodoEmpire | I think that's just being a bit boyish at times |
| 22:11.47 | Xho | oll of thos hos hopponod boforo |
| 22:11.48 | DrodoEmpire | Not a new gender |
| 22:11.52 | ImpyDroid | ^ that |
| 22:11.55 | DrodoEmpire | Which is basically my argument >.< |
| 22:13.26 | Hachiman | I think the real issue is that the media is focusing far too much on humans and not otherkin like myself |
| 22:13.36 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 22:13.37 | NeonPanda | shup u weebkin |
| 22:13.43 | Xho | I can say that a Zhulultu's descendant species would be tasked with galactic domination but I can't say it would fare very well since the galaxy deviated rapidly back into a natural and chaotic structure after they disappeared |
| 22:14.06 | Xho | So much so that there's a number of strong powers in The Schism trying to control it |
| 22:14.13 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: I can see your phantom bunny ears |
| 22:14.30 | DrodoEmpire | Hm this is strange |
| 22:14.54 | ImpyDroid | Now I want a deer hat |
| 22:14.59 | ImpyDroid | Like a hat with deer antlers |
| 22:15.01 | Monet | Xho: If they were created to dominate, it wouldn't be surprising if they were built to lean to the mindset of not bothering too much about how much has fallen apart |
| 22:15.20 | Xho | Likely |
| 22:15.22 | Hachiman | In seriousness, there have been 'otherkin' in ancient cultures such as the Native Americans and whatnot and you do not see them being assholes about being treated like people |
| 22:15.24 | DrodoEmpire | The official channel for this artist has one cut of a track, while a music channel has a very slightly different cut, but neither video make any mention of this difference |
| 22:15.58 | Xho | Since the Kicath are psychologically influenced by Krathazhrukhal many aeons down the line you can see their staunch logical processes |
| 22:16.07 | Xho | A direct descendant of the Zhulultu would kick it up to 11 |
| 22:16.24 | DrodoEmpire | Hachiman: I think the claim that First Nations people had Otherkin is a pretty dubious example of historical revisionism |
| 22:16.49 | Hachiman | How'd you mean? |
| 22:16.51 | DrodoEmpire | I'm sure they may've had some sort of slightly related concept as part of their animism and mysticism, but that's all |
| 22:16.58 | Hachiman | Ah right |
| 22:17.12 | DrodoEmpire | Plus the general issue of applying modern terms to historical stuff |
| 22:17.12 | Hachiman | Yeah that's why I typed it as 'otherkin' |
| 22:17.15 | Xho | I could imagine a Zhulultu descendant species being generally superior in design to most of Tuuros' deviated creations |
| 22:17.25 | NeonPanda | there's a difference between drawing power from an animal totem, for example, than believing you are actually an animal trapped in a human body |
| 22:17.28 | Monet | Hachiman: Ignored minority perception + social media influenced peer pressure to be well known = megaphone mentality |
| 22:17.50 | ImpyDroid | I AM A FUCKING DEER ACCEPT IT MOTHERFUCKERS |
| 22:17.59 | ImpyDroid | smashes himself on a car |
| 22:18.04 | Xho | top fucking kek |
| 22:18.05 | Hachiman | olol |
| 22:18.28 | Monet | 15-25 is a really precarious time for people. |
| 22:18.36 | Xho | Now I'm imagining a Zhulultu descendant species to be a whole race of Khans |
| 22:18.51 | Hachiman | As in, Mongols? |
| 22:19.10 | Xho | No as in the Star Trek villain |
| 22:19.11 | Monet | I'm guessing as in Nooien Singh. |
| 22:19.13 | Monet | Yeah |
| 22:19.16 | ImpyDroid | KHAAANS |
| 22:19.32 | ImpyDroid | So like Sikhs |
| 22:19.46 | Xho | I was on about eugenics wars |
| 22:20.05 | Xho | Exterminating anything lesser than themselves |
| 22:20.19 | Xho | If they actually are Zhulultu descendants then it does have some substantial grounding barring the insanity |
| 22:20.36 | Monet | It does |
| 22:20.50 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Do modern Egyptians kinda count as Arabs? |
| 22:21.27 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Egyptian Muslims? |
| 22:21.32 | Monet | I actually sort of wonder if there might be psychological pressure learnign that your species was created by an alien race to serve a purpose you had n osay in |
| 22:21.33 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 22:21.35 | ImpyDroid | Or Copts? |
| 22:21.50 | Hachiman | The Egyptian Muslims |
| 22:22.05 | ImpyDroid | Well Egyptian Muslims think of themselves as Arabs, Copts do not, but the line is arbitrary |
| 22:22.16 | ImpyDroid | As both speak Arabic but are not very Arabic genetically |
| 22:22.22 | Hachiman | Copts think of themselves as African? |
| 22:22.26 | Xho | Depends on how much free will |
| 22:22.30 | ImpyDroid | They think of themselves as Egyptian |
| 22:22.33 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 22:22.34 | Xho | Hachiman: Christians if anything |
| 22:22.37 | DrodoEmpire | w e w u s k a n g s |
| 22:22.44 | ImpyDroid | Like Christians descended from ancient Egyptians |
| 22:22.50 | Hachiman | Right |
| 22:23.02 | Xho | Coptic Church dropped heavy on dat shit |
| 22:23.11 | ImpyDroid | For that matter the Egyptian Muslims are ALSO descended from ancient Egyptians |
| 22:23.31 | DrodoEmpire | D E Y W U S K A N G S |
| 22:23.56 | Xho | Monet: If you're a descendant of a Zhulultu you're likely to be designed to have no qualms in fulfilling a purpose you did not choose |
| 22:23.59 | ImpyDroid | They are mostly former KANGS who converted during the Arab conquests, or born from Arabs ans KANG wives |
| 22:24.01 | ImpyDroid | *and |
| 22:24.11 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 22:24.19 | ImpyDroid | You know the whole jizya thing, right? |
| 22:24.23 | DrodoEmpire | Yes |
| 22:24.30 | ImpyDroid | That was to Hachi |
| 22:24.33 | DrodoEmpire | Oh |
| 22:24.52 | Hachiman | I'm not entirely aware of the jizya thing |
| 22:25.05 | Xho | After a certain point in time the Zhulultu started spawning their own species through the amalgamation of the characteristics of their predecessors to give rise to even stronger Zhulultu |
| 22:25.22 | ImpyDroid | Basically, you are Christian or Jewish or Zoroastrian, you pay more taxes. You convert, you still pay taxes but less than before |
| 22:25.39 | Hachiman | Fuck that hur |
| 22:25.44 | ImpyDroid | So people converted to get rid of taxation |
| 22:25.55 | Xho | Zhuleshxi was basically a chimera of previous Zhulultu warlords and thus inherited their mental and physical characteristics |
| 22:26.07 | Xho | Not to mention the typical Tier 0 clarketech characteristics |
| 22:26.11 | ImpyDroid | Muhammad had da kunnin' plan |
| 22:26.21 | Hachiman | Main reason I asked was because somebody referred to an Egyptian character in a manga / anime I like as a 'black guy' and I wanted to clarify whether 'black' was the right terminology used to refer to someone who, in all likelihood, is an Egyptian Muslim |
| 22:27.04 | Hachiman | Based on the fact his name is 'Muhammad' |
| 22:27.15 | ImpyDroid | Well they can be black |
| 22:27.20 | Xho | Although since Zhuleshxi was probably one of the first generation Zhulultu he likely reconstructed himself throughout the ages by supplanting potential successors by assimilating their characteristics |
| 22:27.28 | Xho | and* |
| 22:27.29 | ImpyDroid | First, Egyptian Arabs are themselves blacker than other Arabs |
| 22:27.32 | ImpyDroid | Save for the Yemeni |
| 22:27.41 | ImpyDroid | What with KANG blood flowing in their veins |
| 22:30.05 | Xho | A descendant species of the Zhulultu can't come from Zhuleshxi since a Zhulultu probably would have had to die granted the circumstances |
| 22:30.20 | Xho | And also a species coming from Zhuleshxi's DNA would be seriously fucked up |
| 22:30.41 | ImpyDroid | Then there are Sudanese people who are proper black and live next to Egypt, and their territory too was part of Ancient Egypt I believe |
| 22:30.51 | ImpyDroid | They are descended from Nubians |
| 22:31.28 | Hachiman | Right |
| 22:31.53 | Hachiman | Also I was wrong, turns out the character was drawn to be black and intentionally darker than other Egyptians and Arabs in the series |
| 22:31.58 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Compare this Lebanese Arab guy http://data.whicdn.com/images/112622813/large.jpg |
| 22:32.04 | Hachiman | So yeah, black guy hur |
| 22:32.15 | ImpyDroid | To this Egyptian Arab guy https://joshuaproject.net/assets/media/profiles/photos/p14643.jpg |
| 22:32.16 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: dem abs |
| 22:32.22 | Xho | dat stache |
| 22:32.45 | Xho | Hm, what name to come up for a species |
| 22:33.01 | Xho | Xhalunesk was the first thing that came to mind |
| 22:33.09 | ImpyDroid | How black are the Sudanese? |
| 22:33.13 | Hachiman | Xhousthoe |
| 22:33.14 | ImpyDroid | http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2011/1109/360_boswell_sudan_0902.jpg |
| 22:33.16 | ImpyDroid | Well |
| 22:33.17 | Xho | mofokka |
| 22:33.42 | Xho | ImpyDroid: That's quite an impressive skin colour |
| 22:34.05 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.26 | Xho | But yeah Xhalunesk is the first idea |
| 22:34.29 | Xho | Any higher bids |
| 22:34.33 | ImpyDroid | Apparently though despite being so black they consider themselves to be Arabs, as being Arab is more about language and culture rather than race |
| 22:34.38 | ImpyDroid | Apparently |
| 22:35.53 | ImpyDroid | Yes try to get it |
| 22:35.59 | ImpyDroid | https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/ea/f4/a1/eaf4a1fe53652f8a9a786779d03d0b2c.jpg This is an Arab |
| 22:36.01 | Xho | Not that hard to get |
| 22:36.16 | Hachiman | I haven't got any other suggestions unfortunately; Xhalunesk is a fairly decent name though |
| 22:36.29 | DrodoEmpire | Aren't some Syrians and Iraqis basically white? I can't recall |
| 22:36.46 | ImpyDroid | http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/sudan_06_13/sudan16.jpg This is also an Arab |
| 22:36.53 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: Them and the Lebanese |
| 22:36.54 | DrodoEmpire | I mean I can see why Syrians would be pretty pale, due to longtime Roman occupation and the Crusades |
| 22:36.56 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 22:37.17 | ImpyDroid | Lebanese are among with the Egyptians the most un-Arab Arabs |
| 22:37.34 | ImpyDroid | They are mostly Phoenician by blood |
| 22:38.16 | DrodoEmpire | Makes sense |
| 22:38.45 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire Hachiman: http://www.thehypertexts.com/images/Hoda%20Fadel.jpg I'd say that is white |
| 22:38.53 | ImpyDroid | That is a Lebanese woman |
| 22:38.55 | Xho | Ah fuck matrix IRC |
| 22:38.59 | Xho | sort dis pl9x |
| 22:39.57 | ImpyDroid | Also, much like Egypt, Lebanon has a large Christian minority that does not consider itself Arab but speaks Arabic |
| 22:40.09 | ImpyDroid | Except the Lebanese Maronites are FILTHY CATHOLICS |
| 22:40.18 | ImpyDroid | While Copts are GLORIOUS ORTHODOX |
| 22:40.33 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 22:40.50 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah that's really white |
| 22:40.56 | ImpyDroid | look at qt Lebanese plz |
| 22:41.21 | ImpyDroid | I think Palestinians are pretty pale too |
| 22:41.27 | ImpyDroid | That sounds like a pun |
| 22:42.06 | Monet | She has a touch of copper but other than that, yeah, white. |
| 23:08.41 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzbAPMBUUAAJIHE.jpg:large |
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