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| 03:35.17 | DrodoEmpire | Back, sorry |
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| 03:55.05 | DrodoEmpire | "Hey, still better than snorting crushed adderall off of a clown's boner, amirite?" |
| 03:58.37 | The_Randomness | wat |
| 03:59.38 | DrodoEmpire | Exactly |
| 03:59.40 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 04:00.08 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: ...my only guess of context is Cards Against Humanity. XD |
| 04:00.44 | DrodoEmpire | Nah, le reddit |
| 04:00.48 | DrodoEmpire | But good guess |
| 04:05.34 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzUiXPQW8AANbSt.jpg:large no |
| 04:06.29 | The_Randomness | the all-in-one meme video |
| 04:06.58 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
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| 04:12.03 | Hachiman | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 04:12.09 | The_Randomness | a |
| 04:14.33 | DrodoEmpire | ey laymo |
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| 04:49.31 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 05:01.36 | DrodoEmpire | https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/15497539_1169647553125690_506890083_n.png?oh=e543c660522ca7abe7836e65d12a9fbf&oe=584EA9FE |
| 05:05.35 | The_Randomness | 6/10 shitpost |
| 05:06.19 | DrodoEmpire | c: |
| 05:06.45 | DrodoEmpire | Allright, I'ma see about posting some stuff to the UDB |
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| 10:28.55 | dino82_ | hi |
| 10:29.46 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
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| 10:38.23 | dino82_ | hi! |
| 10:38.27 | NeonPanda | hi |
| 10:38.30 | dino82_ | Some new updates Liquid! Naice! |
| 10:38.56 | Liquid_Ink | XD |
| 10:40.27 | Liquid_Ink | How's the Rambo Nation going these days |
| 10:40.30 | Liquid_Ink | *? |
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| 10:54.11 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 11:00.20 | dino82_ | they are dong nice |
| 11:00.27 | dino82_ | currently ina dispute with France |
| 11:00.32 | Liquid_Ink | Oh dear |
| 11:00.36 | dino82_ | though not at war or so. |
| 11:00.39 | dino82_ | Hi Treebeard |
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| 11:20.52 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 11:23.40 | dino82_ | hi |
| 11:23.48 | dino82_ | @Liquid: How are the Liquian doing? |
| 11:25.49 | Liquid_Ink | The DSB isn't doing much right now. I'm focuses on writing up all the history for now. |
| 11:35.36 | dino82_ | Naice, they are going their own way :D |
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| 12:02.08 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:02.20 | dino82_ | hi |
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| 12:22.40 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 12:25.17 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 12:27.23 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 12:37.03 | dino82_ | hi |
| 12:37.44 | dino82_ | @ghel and Wormy: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:DutchFlagSpace.png |
| 12:37.49 | dino82_ | dutch flag of the space dutch :D |
| 12:38.10 | Liquid_Ink | Cool |
| 12:38.36 | Ghelae | Are they part of another human nation or are they on their own somewhere? |
| 12:47.48 | Wormy_ | dino82_ Looks brilliant |
| 12:50.11 | Wormy_ | Right, I best me getting back to my final semester project |
| 12:50.20 | Wormy_ | bbl everyone |
| 12:50.20 | dino82_ | @ghel: On their own somewhere |
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| 12:50.23 | dino82_ | perhaps in Endless pace |
| 12:50.31 | dino82_ | thanks wormy :D |
| 13:01.57 | Monet | Thinking about the power the Blood Dragons hold |
| 13:02.32 | Monet | I based them on the Praetorian GUard and partially the Jannissaries *but* both groups had a habit of holding some control over their charges. |
| 13:04.03 | Monet | The Jannissaries became more powerful than governors and generals while the majority of Roman emperors who had a Praetorian Guard were killed by them. |
| 13:06.49 | Monet | One loophole I guess is the ritual of the Prime Dragon - one captain of the guard performs a ritual to adopt the paragon as their battle partner. |
| 13:07.46 | Monet | Should the paragon die, said Dragon acts like they do when a battle-partner is killed. |
| 13:27.48 | dino82_ | neat |
| 13:56.50 | Monet | Although maybe there were times the Dragons tried influencing the Emperor |
| 13:57.19 | Monet | There's a lot of grey content in the Imperium's history. |
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| 14:02.25 | Monet | hi |
| 14:03.09 | Xho | Hi |
| 14:09.29 | Monet | hi |
| 14:09.33 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 14:09.42 | DrodoEmpire | Hm about the Blood Dragons |
| 14:10.20 | DrodoEmpire | I suppose there would indeed be times where the BD basically ran the Imperium |
| 14:11.10 | DrodoEmpire | Though given current circumstances I figure Uriel would've had them well under control, and so would Maxios |
| 14:11.44 | Monet | Indeed. In the modern day, the Blood Dragons are well-controlled. |
| 14:13.35 | Monet | Uriel is not the posterboy for how every Ultanos acted. |
| 14:14.48 | Monet | The 24 or so adult children of the aforementioned predecessor to Uriel XV who challenged Uriel XV to duels of honour out of disagreement with their mother's decision, for instance. |
| 14:14.59 | Monet | -aforementioned |
| 14:15.25 | Monet | Which was to make him, not one of her own brood, the next paragon. |
| 14:16.01 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 14:18.00 | Monet | Then you also have the mad queen Onivara Khaxvis who out of paranoia ordered the entire Senate executed by the Draogns. |
| 14:19.07 | DrodoEmpire | o.O |
| 14:22.56 | Monet | One of the Imperium's black marks of history |
| 14:28.58 | Monet | There was a movement after the event to allow the BDs to question orders like this. |
| 14:29.47 | Monet | Could be considered either a reflection on a tragedy, or a way for the Dragons to gain more control? |
| 14:35.00 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps a bit of both |
| 14:36.41 | Monet | Indeed |
| 14:39.06 | Monet | Who knows, under Khaxvis the Dragons could have had rather minimal influence |
| 14:39.52 | Monet | Early scenes in the Third House War show that it is the Dragons who are keeping the last remnants of House Ultanos prisoner. |
| 14:40.04 | Monet | Acting as their wardens |
| 14:43.07 | Monet | Imagine the blackmail potential |
| 14:45.32 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 14:46.33 | Monet | So likely at this point in history the Dragons had been reduced to obediant servants. |
| 14:48.16 | Monet | There must have been something really significant that kept the Dragons from whistleblowing on an entire dynasty. |
| 14:52.34 | Monet | As high and mighty as the Draconis are, they evolved as pack predators. As such, they are far from incorruptible. |
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| 14:59.58 | Monet | hi |
| 15:10.21 | Tek0516 | Hellp |
| 15:10.24 | dino82_ | hi |
| 15:10.25 | Tek0516 | *Hello |
| 15:10.52 | Tek0516 | Though I guess Help is also accurate since my exams start today. :P |
| 15:17.57 | Monet | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid_Imperium/Blood_Dragons#History updated some history |
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| 15:20.13 | Mrrankings | Hi |
| 15:26.48 | dino82_ | hi |
| 16:01.47 | dino82_ | So far: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands |
| 16:01.52 | dino82_ | updates will become gradually over time |
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| 16:07.50 | Monet | dino82_: Slight typo when mentioning the Eighty Years War. |
| 16:07.52 | dino82_ | oh? |
| 16:07.58 | Monet | you missed out 'years' |
| 16:08.28 | Monet | "date back to the eighty war (1568â1648)" |
| 16:08.41 | dino82_ | thanks |
| 16:08.41 | dino82_ | fixed |
| 16:08.56 | dino82_ | their cruiser is actually a building as well |
| 16:09.02 | dino82_ | in the sporepedia |
| 16:09.28 | DrodoEmpire | Oh, yeah |
| 16:09.41 | DrodoEmpire | That new fiction looks awesome dino |
| 16:22.05 | dino82_ | thanks drodo :D |
| 16:22.10 | dino82_ | it is fun to work on a humanoid faction :D |
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| 16:32.00 | dino82_ | hi |
| 16:34.55 | Monet | hi |
| 16:37.36 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 16:45.43 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 16:47.18 | ImpyDroid | Xho: Remember when you suggested that Spode might be an interpretation of the Xhodocto? |
| 16:48.28 | Xho | Not really no |
| 16:49.11 | ImpyDroid | I just thought of something |
| 16:49.33 | ImpyDroid | Nobody really liked Radeons pre-War of Ages |
| 16:50.11 | ImpyDroid | And it would be likely that once the Church of Spode joined the war some would say "fuck it why do even fight for the people who hate us" |
| 16:50.27 | ImpyDroid | And defect to the Congregation |
| 16:51.44 | Xho | Krath - >only your hate can destroy us lol quite the opposite |
| 17:03.33 | OluapPlayer | Imp finish section pls |
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| 17:39.43 | Tek0516 | Ugh. Why do I have to have exams on Sunday. |
| 17:47.22 | Monet | Okay now that is evil. |
| 17:48.10 | Monet | For a Christian society why would you schedule an exam on the Sabbath? |
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| 17:53.33 | DrodoEmpire | https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p235x350/15390741_1353401081351302_3913467468228718521_n.jpg?oh=97041dede890371e6cca86a91f61a814&oe=58E856C4 |
| 18:02.18 | Tek0516 | Monet: Gotta schedule exams for 28,000 people where there's only 3 exam timeslots each day I guess. |
| 18:03.06 | Tek0516 | All exams are either 9am-12, 2pm-5, or 7pm-10. |
| 18:04.49 | Tek0516 | Too bad wormy isn't here, today's my databases one. :P |
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| 18:04.55 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 18:05.10 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 18:06.00 | Tek0516 | I think my summoning powers worked but were slightly off there. :P |
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| 18:11.46 | Imperios | Hi |
| 18:11.53 | Monet | hi |
| 18:12.06 | Charles_Bot | Hey |
| 18:12.52 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 18:13.13 | Quark8 | Hi. |
| 18:18.51 | dino82_ | hi |
| 18:24.27 | Monet | Dunno about middle class people but it's the middle of winter about now and my flatmates have set the central heating to be active between 7:00-830am and 9pm-10pm |
| 18:24.34 | Monet | #students |
| 18:27.46 | Imperios | Xho Monet: https://youtu.be/BgIwaJuoZ-k?t=315 How the new Disney cartoon's name was invented |
| 18:27.50 | Imperios | title even |
| 18:30.17 | Monet | "wana"? |
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| 18:39.00 | dino82_ | whoops disconnecte :D |
| 18:45.14 | Monet | welcome back |
| 18:53.05 | Imperios | Monet: "Moana" |
| 18:53.37 | Monet | Was mostly curious on the pronounciation |
| 18:55.38 | Imperios | Russian has a very weird vowel systen |
| 18:55.51 | Imperios | "Moana" is pronounced more like "Mah-AH-na" |
| 18:56.47 | Imperios | Well it's not very weird or complex, basically every "o" that isn't stressed becomes an "a" |
| 18:56.58 | Imperios | And every "e" that isn't stressed becomes an "i" |
| 18:57.07 | Imperios | Organism is pronounced like "arganizm" |
| 18:58.34 | Imperios | Germany is "girmaniya", and Kore is "kareya" for example |
| 18:59.23 | Imperios | Xho Monet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIhdmP97zGU |
| 19:01.26 | Monet | Personally I thought that rhino-thing just wanted to smash Kowalksi into tiny pieces.. |
| 19:03.27 | Imperios | He was doused with *pheromones* though |
| 19:05.03 | Monet | Newt had a smaller concentration and was performing a mating ritual. |
| 19:07.16 | Monet | It seems a little odd that she would run after this other male based on smell alone after this male that first approached her had performed a ritual she liked. |
| 19:10.37 | Monet | So she could have smelt the pheromones and gone "Oi, asshole, I've got a mate so piss off!" |
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| 19:22.05 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 19:23.19 | Monet | hi |
| 19:23.59 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
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| 19:31.53 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire, Technobliterator, Monet, Xho, Hachiman, Imperios: Best line about Nigel Farage ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWgXffXwJwc |
| 19:32.12 | Wormy_ | https://youtu.be/LWgXffXwJwc?t=53s |
| 19:32.15 | Wormy_ | ^ |
| 19:33.27 | Technobliterator | hahahahaha |
| 19:34.34 | Imperios | Wormy_: Our media painted him as the mind behind the Brexit |
| 19:35.05 | Monet | They're not too far off. |
| 19:35.17 | Monet | He has been at it for can't recall how long. |
| 19:35.40 | Wormy_ | Impy: In reality http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2412686/thumbs/o-NIGEL-FARAGE-570.jpg?15 |
| 19:37.05 | Imperios | Wormy_: "[Saudi Arabia is the] country where women are not allowed to wear clothes that show their beauty. Presumably that's why Theresa May is allowed there" |
| 19:37.06 | Imperios | topkek |
| 19:37.52 | Wormy_ | Basically Boris called them out for causing proxy wars, but the government said "his views are not our own", so appeasement basically |
| 19:38.54 | Xho | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eJsVehlPU |
| 19:41.24 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.56 | Xho | Man I'm hungry |
| 19:46.58 | Imperios | Wormy_: "We condemn you. We will still sell you stuff tho ^_^" |
| 19:48.19 | Wormy_ | Not sure if most of Theresa's cabinet does lol |
| 19:49.47 | Imperios | Wormy_: Actually wait, I wouldn't call Theresa May ugly |
| 19:50.07 | Imperios | She looks like a normal respectable middle-aged woman |
| 19:50.28 | Monet | She's 60 |
| 19:50.28 | Hachiman | She looks like a wet bag |
| 19:51.18 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 19:51.36 | Imperios | I think there is only one female politician in the whole world who is conventionally attractive hur |
| 19:51.39 | Imperios | The old Ukrainian PM |
| 19:52.23 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://i.obozrevatel.com/8/1564609/834170.jpg |
| 19:52.35 | Monet | My local MP doesn't look too bad. |
| 19:52.38 | Hachiman | Excuse me but |
| 19:52.44 | Hachiman | Natalia Poklonskaya |
| 19:53.36 | Imperios | Well yeah but she is a procurator; she is more of a jurist than a politician |
| 19:53.45 | Wormy_ | this was Pie's best video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs&t=1s |
| 19:54.03 | Hachiman | Isn't she a State Duma now? |
| 19:54.13 | Monet | Why are we comparing politicians looks again when most of their job involves their intellect? |
| 19:54.25 | Imperios | Yeah but the State Duma is fucking useless |
| 19:54.51 | Hachiman | ur fukn useless dunt insult muh waifu |
| 19:55.01 | Imperios | Either way she's not in big politics |
| 19:55.15 | Imperios | Timoshenko is a more powerful waifu |
| 19:55.18 | Imperios | Head of government waifu |
| 19:56.24 | Monet | But beauty is subjective. |
| 19:58.44 | Hachiman | https://media.giphy.com/media/3oriNOGIm0rB6hygIo/giphy.gif Fucking kek |
| 19:59.17 | Wormy_ | was going so well |
| 19:59.49 | Wormy_ | Who can relate? https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15380507_10154617876280115_4764951971227170270_n.jpg?oh=c63a6232c91f4cc8f0a27c22dc0f8bd4&oe=58B4A9AA |
| 20:00.11 | Hachiman | Probably most men |
| 20:01.42 | Wormy_ | <any men here> hur |
| 20:02.25 | Imperios | Well I have moments when I want to dress up a bit |
| 20:02.30 | Imperios | And get picky |
| 20:02.35 | Imperios | But most of the times, same here |
| 20:03.14 | Imperios | Monet: Also, I just realised one thing about that Kylo Ren guy |
| 20:03.17 | Wormy_ | I just hated getting dragged around charity shops or clothing shops when I was younger |
| 20:03.34 | Monet | Imperios: What's that? |
| 20:12.32 | Wormy_ | back to work bbl |
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| 20:14.51 | Tek0516 | Fuck. There were like 10 questions on the topic I didn't even think was worth studying. |
| 20:14.55 | Cyrannian | Hai everyone |
| 20:15.25 | Tek0516 | Hello Cyrannian |
| 20:15.50 | Wormy_away | pretty much my day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKkLjJHwRec |
| 20:15.53 | Tek0516 | (And in case you don't guess, I just finished my first exam) |
| 20:16.12 | Wormy_away | (ouch) |
| 20:16.24 | Wormy_away | (my exams mid Jan) |
| 20:17.05 | Tek0516 | Wormy_away: Did they ever teach you about "normal forms" in your databases thing? |
| 20:17.28 | Wormy_away | They taught me about 'normalisation' and 'normalised forms' |
| 20:18.04 | Wormy_away | I guess thats the same thing |
| 20:18.49 | Wormy_away | To be honest its the PHP that's making me tear my hair out, was not taught any PHP and then I'm expected to build a huge project in it on my laest week |
| 20:18.56 | Tek0516 | I don't even remember exactly what they are, just that they are these slightly different ways of graphing a database and they tested us on what number form was what. |
| 20:19.35 | Wormy_away | Its about reducing redundancy, by splitting up tables to remove delete, insert and update anomalies |
| 20:20.02 | Wormy_away | I get the gist but if you put some diagrams in front of me and asked what to do... I just haven't done enough revision |
| 20:21.24 | Tek0516 | Nah, the normal forms I'm talking about don't even deal with code at all, just all the ways you can represent data I think, independent of any actual SQL rules and constraints. |
| 20:22.55 | Wormy_away | I think its the same thing, because its about how your relations are arranged http://www.studytonight.com/dbms/database-normalization.php |
| 20:23.18 | Imperios | Hi Cyrannian |
| 20:23.30 | Wormy_away | There's 5 normal forms but 3 are usually used in the practical sense |
| 20:23.36 | Tek0516 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.52 | Tek0516 | We had 10 questions on those |
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| 20:24.11 | Imperios | Cyrannian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIhdmP97zGU |
| 20:24.37 | Wormy_away | eek |
| 20:24.55 | Wormy_away | Yeah I seriously need to revise over Christmas |
| 20:25.12 | Wormy_away | Trouble is, not had much chance. Its all been weekly submission work |
| 20:25.34 | Tek0516 | That's CS for you, all these forms and most of them don't work or are terrible programming practice. >.> |
| 20:26.49 | Wormy_away | I'm finding the networks module easy enough to understand but has the most details I'll need to remember |
| 20:27.03 | Wormy_away | I find databases pretty easy to understand but *really* hard to get right |
| 20:27.12 | DrodoEmpire | So |
| 20:27.38 | DrodoEmpire | Am I the only one really freaked out by emergency broadcast signals? >.< |
| 20:27.45 | Tek0516 | Now I have three days before my next exam at least, but then my 8 hour exam the day after |
| 20:27.51 | Wormy_away | I find programming hard because my mind has trouble with coordinating processes (dyspraxic), so I find it hard step through the program. Same reason I struggle with maths |
| 20:27.52 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: wait what? |
| 20:27.57 | DrodoEmpire | Just literally everything about them, down to the sound? |
| 20:28.03 | DrodoEmpire | No no, as a hypothetical |
| 20:28.09 | Tek0516 | Oh |
| 20:28.11 | DrodoEmpire | Ottawa isn't getting nuked |
| 20:28.16 | DrodoEmpire | Yet |
| 20:28.22 | DrodoEmpire | You have fifteen minutes Tek |
| 20:28.26 | Tek0516 | >.> |
| 20:28.26 | DrodoEmpire | (jk <.<) |
| 20:29.01 | Wormy_away | I love emergency broadcast sounds, the end of the world would feel so cool |
| 20:29.27 | DrodoEmpire | Nah, I get an immediate and intense sense of dread whenever they have a drill or test for them on television >.< |
| 20:29.43 | DrodoEmpire | I hear the beep and I'm just like "Yep, this is the end" |
| 20:30.05 | DrodoEmpire | "I'm eating radroach meat from now on" |
| 20:31.03 | Tek0516 | I remember a weird thing over the summer or something where the TVs did a borderline emergency broadcast pop-up for an Amber Alert. O.o |
| 20:31.03 | Wormy_away | I always browse the news with 30% anticipation of nuclear war, asteroid or UFO invasion |
| 20:31.26 | DrodoEmpire | olol |
| 20:31.31 | Wormy_away | I don't think UK even has one |
| 20:31.38 | DrodoEmpire | Tek: Really? |
| 20:31.43 | Wormy_away | At least, I've never been able to find a real one |
| 20:31.52 | DrodoEmpire | I recall there was a test here in NS in early summer |
| 20:32.28 | DrodoEmpire | A few years ago I was watching an American channel and a test of their EBS came on |
| 20:32.35 | Tek0516 | As in sounds and messages in big red fonts and everything every time there was an update on the alert. |
| 20:32.49 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow |
| 20:34.52 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: According to a quick google search apparently it's mandated by the CRTC. O.o |
| 20:35.00 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 20:36.21 | Wormy_away | Tek: Do you have any experience with PHP? |
| 20:37.00 | Tek0516 | Not really |
| 20:39.01 | Wormy_away | I've been trying all day to use $_SESSIONs to send data between one webpage and another |
| 20:39.41 | Wormy_away | Managed to crack it though when I realised I wasn't sending all the rows from my query, so only one was getting through and replacing all other rows |
| 20:52.34 | Hachiman | Xho: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(occult_symbol)) Didn't know the Black Sun was actually a thing |
| 21:07.08 | Wormy_away | I hear a load of students on another module got "rekt" for plagiarism |
| 21:07.19 | Hachiman | hur |
| 21:07.22 | Wormy_away | tut tut at Masters level |
| 21:07.28 | Hachiman | That's good to hear |
| 21:12.06 | Wormy_away | I have no sympathy |
| 21:24.03 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: Oi you there? |
| 21:24.16 | DrodoEmpire | Sure, yeah |
| 21:24.25 | DrodoEmpire | What's needed? |
| 21:26.07 | Hachiman | How are prison colonies supposed to work? As in, are they colonies ran and maintained by convicts + lawmen and enforcers with governing influence from the state the colony belongs to? |
| 21:26.42 | DrodoEmpire | I'm really not sure myself, but that's probably fairly accurate |
| 21:27.02 | Hachiman | I'd have thought it be fairly dangerous for a colony to find much of its maintenance from convicts |
| 21:27.05 | DrodoEmpire | Its basically just a place to exile a load of people and maybe also make them productvie |
| 21:27.08 | DrodoEmpire | *productive |
| 21:27.33 | NeonPanda | More or less, though the convicts didn't do any of the management, just the labour |
| 21:27.37 | NeonPanda | at least over here |
| 21:28.04 | DrodoEmpire | It probably is, but I think a lot of penal colonies either got the convicts/colonists married early on so as to calm things down, and quickly made them into a minority of the popularion |
| 21:28.08 | DrodoEmpire | *population |
| 21:28.28 | DrodoEmpire | I really don't know though |
| 21:30.21 | Hachiman | I was thinking of a horror-oriented fiction for the Fantasyverse earlier set within a dwarven penal settlement or fortress located in the isolated, northern wastelands of the world and I was wondering how something like that would work regarding hierarchy and internal politics |
| 21:31.14 | NeonPanda | thing is, depending on the exact kind of convicts you're sending, the majority of them quickly figure out that A) bucking the system equals much higher chance of death, and B) they'd probably rather be there than in an actual jail |
| 21:31.47 | NeonPanda | so even though the colony is being run by essentially prison officials, the prisoners (at least after a short while) wouldn't exactly be aiming to cause too much trouble |
| 21:33.08 | Hachiman | I mean, that's fair; if you've managed to get yourself exiled from the larger general population of civilisation though you've probably done something to make reputed as an undesirable to society |
| 21:33.35 | Hachiman | *make yourself |
| 21:33.40 | NeonPanda | that or your government likes throwing people in jail a little too much *nudge nudge* |
| 21:33.49 | Hachiman | I did also just think of that |
| 21:34.04 | DrodoEmpire | Actually no |
| 21:34.10 | Hachiman | >dwarf ends up in a penal settlement because he stole a loaf of bread |
| 21:34.25 | OluapPlayer | Bit of an overreaction |
| 21:34.27 | DrodoEmpire | A lot of petty criminals were sent to penal colonies |
| 21:34.48 | Monet | It was quite the common sentence in Victorian London. |
| 21:34.55 | NeonPanda | OluapPlayer: I'm literally descended from someone who got sent to Australia for stealing a loaf of bread. I've seen the digitisation of the criminal record and everything. |
| 21:35.05 | OluapPlayer | My point stands |
| 21:35.25 | Hachiman | I mean, it is an overreaction on part of the government |
| 21:35.28 | Monet | Victorian cities had just a *bit* of a crime problem. |
| 21:35.32 | DrodoEmpire | Eh, it was due to there being no space left in the UK |
| 21:35.37 | DrodoEmpire | So they sent them elsewhere |
| 21:35.58 | NeonPanda | but yeah, basically that- there wasn't much space in the prisons left and they wanted to colonise Australia, so they sent a lot of the safer criminals there. |
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| 21:37.01 | Monet | The other common sentence for a number of petty crimes (or was it mostly not so petty) was capital punishment |
| 21:37.36 | Hachiman | Would they also send criminals who, say, have committed more heinous crimes such as murder or manslaughter and the like but retained skills that allowed them to continue being useful? |
| 21:38.17 | NeonPanda | Hachiman: I can remember a couple of cases of higher criminals being sent over, don't have the exact information on hand of course |
| 21:38.56 | NeonPanda | but a lot of the prisoners sent over were criminals of desperation more than anything else, people whom the prospect of starting over in a new land was actually an enticing prospect |
| 21:39.32 | NeonPanda | so if you're aiming for a horror story angle, the horror's going to come from the people running the colony, rather than the circumstances of the colony itself |
| 21:39.32 | Hachiman | Reminds me of how homeless people tend to allow themselves to get convicted in order to gain free support in prison |
| 21:39.39 | Hachiman | That makes sense |
| 21:39.51 | Wormy_away | This is how we could send people to Mars |
| 21:40.36 | NeonPanda | there was that one person in NSW that had a tendency to put people in oubliettes on a whim |
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| 21:40.52 | Monet | Wasn't crime pre 20th century seen primarily as the failing of the individual rather than the failing of society or the family? |
| 21:40.55 | Monet | Hi |
| 21:41.18 | NeonPanda | Monet: more or less, especially during periods of religious prominance |
| 21:41.51 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah the view on why people committed crime was incomplete, to say the least |
| 21:42.00 | Monet | I think Victorian England might count as one of those times. |
| 21:42.13 | Hachiman | That's rather curious |
| 21:42.30 | DrodoEmpire | Because, yeah, individual agency *has* a lot to do with it but there's also a good degree of deterministic factors leading you to commit a crime |
| 21:42.39 | DrodoEmpire | i.e your general life circumstances |
| 21:43.16 | Imperios | Isn't that where the term "kangoroo court" comes from? |
| 21:44.52 | Hachiman | I'm imagining that since I made my dwarves rather clan-centric and much of their culture and society revolves around wealth, reputation, honour and social standing, history and heritage, etc., I'm imagining a number of exiles could be from backgrounds of higher political significance - either as a means to escape execution or be forgotten about by the convict's clan and their affiliates |
| 21:45.12 | Monet | Let's just say the approach and perceptions regarding crime and justice system took a more-or-less complete u-turn in the 20th century |
| 21:46.29 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: I recall in the 1700 and 1800s, there were attempts to classify "the criminal face" |
| 21:46.58 | NeonPanda | Imperios: Kangaroo Court is literally just someone making a declaration, it's very much a colony thing rather than a british thing |
| 21:47.31 | Hachiman | Say, a clan just quietly allows one of the more undesired members of their family to be sent packing to the wasteland penal colony rather than go through with an execution that would be witnessed by both the convict's clan and the clan of the person / people he wronged |
| 21:48.33 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: huh |
| 21:49.26 | Monet | Scientists hypothesising that whether or not someone would become a criminal could be identified by their face. |
| 21:49.56 | NeonPanda | Hachiman: in such circumstances such "convicts" would most likely be quite incentivised to basically pull an Australia and start over |
| 21:50.35 | NeonPanda | like they'd work with the colony to build their own life, which would eventually lead to significant enough cultural divergence that a split from the parent culture is inevitable |
| 21:50.55 | Xho | Hachiman: yup |
| 21:51.49 | Imperios | Monet: Physiognomy |
| 21:57.44 | Xho | Hachiman: That being said the Black Sun for the Zhulultu is the Mesoamerican Black Sun |
| 22:00.40 | Xho | Literally all of Wikipedia's In the News section is mass death |
| 22:00.44 | Xho | good going december |
| 22:01.20 | Monet | This is what All Hallows Eve was for. |
| 22:02.15 | Monet | Now it's parties, dressing up as Kylo Ren and Superman and going door-to-door for sweets. |
| 22:03.11 | Xho | Dressing up as Kylo Ren isn't a bad idea sometimes |
| 22:03.28 | Monet | That one true. |
| 22:03.54 | Xho | Superman, well |
| 22:03.57 | Xho | Superman anything is a bad idea |
| 22:04.03 | Monet | Although then again Ren's not as scary as his great uncle. |
| 22:04.18 | Monet | granddad, whatever |
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| 22:04.41 | Monet | More kids should be dressing up as Evil Superman. |
| 22:04.46 | Hachiman | I suppose one thing that would inevitably happen in a penal settlement is if you're something like a paedophile or some other convict whose committed a significantly heinous crime, the rest of the workers and labourers aren't going to like you very much |
| 22:04.58 | Wormy_ | Xho: Still got time in 2016 yet |
| 22:05.12 | Xho | Wormy_: thanks for reminding me (god help us) |
| 22:05.31 | Wormy_ | also there's a picture of a mass grave oin the featured article's list |
| 22:05.46 | Xho | I've got the article on mass graves open |
| 22:05.48 | Xho | like you do |
| 22:06.11 | NeonPanda | Hachiman: if you're that kind of criminal you're probably just going to quietly have an accident somewhere and the warden probably won't bother looking for oyu |
| 22:06.12 | NeonPanda | you* |
| 22:06.25 | Monet | Hachiman: From what I hear, a lot of prisons may have homicide offenders but *no one* likes the local kiddie-fiddler. |
| 22:08.03 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 22:08.28 | Hachiman | Since it's a dwarven penal colony, I'm wondering if it'd be appropriate to include a tavern as part of the layout hur |
| 22:08.34 | Wormy_ | Here I am eating an Easter Egg I forgot to open all year |
| 22:08.35 | Xho | Never been too sure on the reception of serial killers |
| 22:08.37 | Monet | I suppose the thing to remember is prisoners are still people. They may all be convicted and guilty but they often still have a moral compass. |
| 22:08.40 | Xho | Can't imagine it's good |
| 22:08.54 | Wormy_ | Pretty good actually |
| 22:09.44 | NeonPanda | Hachiman: it almost certainly would be, though depends on how long after the settlement date you're planning to have the fiction be set |
| 22:10.12 | Hachiman | Probably ~150 years |
| 22:10.15 | NeonPanda | because the main problem with maintaining a tavern is having alcohol to serve |
| 22:10.48 | Xho | Well Jeffrey Dahmer was killed in prison |
| 22:10.55 | NeonPanda | in that case then yeah, and by that point in time the majority of the population would be children of convicts rather than convicts themselves (even taking into account the longer lifespan and generation period of dwarves) |
| 22:11.27 | Hachiman | Keep in mind that these are dwarves, who are both long-lived and not as sexually proactive as humans |
| 22:11.33 | Monet | A fantasy settlement without a pub is like a home without a hearth. |
| 22:11.53 | Xho | Sounds more like a ghetto than a penal colony or are they the same thing |
| 22:12.03 | NeonPanda | Monet: well, people tend to have different priorities when you're first setting up :P |
| 22:12.12 | Hachiman | Ghetto is definitely not a penal colony hur |
| 22:12.44 | Xho | hell i dunno |
| 22:12.48 | Xho | concentration camps or die |
| 22:12.52 | Xho | or die in concentration camp |
| 22:12.58 | Xho | arbeit macht frei motherfucker |
| 22:13.07 | Monet | IIRC my history the first usage of the word "ghetto" was a Jewish-heavy district of Venice. |
| 22:13.17 | Xho | A brief message from Nazi!Xho |
| 22:13.53 | Hachiman | A ghetto is more like an unlawful settlement of non-convicted criminals and people living in poverty in the midst of society rather than a lawful institution in the middle of nowhere |
| 22:14.04 | Xho | So Southampton then |
| 22:14.05 | Xho | right |
| 22:14.06 | NeonPanda | Australia at least wasn't really ghetto, things were actually pretty well put together for the most part |
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| 22:40.09 | Xho | People are still making Harambe jokes |
| 22:40.14 | Xho | How has this lasted so long |
| 22:41.53 | Monet | Some memes never die. |
| 22:42.45 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.01 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire NeonPanda: Another question I suppose would be how one could support a comparatively isolated colony set in a far-northern, arctic wasteland |
| 22:43.17 | Monet | Fishing. |
| 22:43.21 | Hachiman | Hm |
| 22:43.31 | NeonPanda | Send over a lot of initial resources and hope there's enough native resources to support the colony, basically. |
| 22:43.38 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 22:43.45 | NeonPanda | Or know in advance there's enough resources, that also works. |
| 22:43.48 | DrodoEmpire | Fishing, and develop some sort of profitable industry for trade |
| 22:43.50 | Hachiman | I know that I've mentioned before that dwarves can generally consume rocks but that's equivalent to eating raw rice |
| 22:43.53 | DrodoEmpire | Lumber, etc. |
| 22:43.53 | Monet | How they make beer hmm...Cave moss? |
| 22:44.15 | DrodoEmpire | Also get a crop that'll grow there |
| 22:44.56 | Hachiman | I know that in Dwarf Fortress, you can support a colony from harvesting mushrooms and whatnot that grow underground |
| 22:44.57 | Monet | "arctic wasteland" suggests trees are sparse. |
| 22:45.04 | Xho | eating rocks |
| 22:45.06 | Xho | how work |
| 22:45.17 | OluapPlayer | Place rock in mouth -> chew -> swallow |
| 22:45.20 | Monet | Yummy silicon dioxide. |
| 22:45.20 | Hachiman | kek |
| 22:45.30 | Xho | well done nutritional expert 10/10 write a book pls |
| 22:45.53 | DrodoEmpire | Well, fishing and stuff like that can support a smallish colony |
| 22:46.00 | Monet | I know there's a few species of moss that survive by growing roots in rock crevices but that's moss. |
| 22:46.23 | DrodoEmpire | Though a big drive historically for colonisation was cheap land to farm, which was attractive to dispossessed farmers and the urban poor |
| 22:46.49 | DrodoEmpire | So yeah, as population grows you'd need to begin agriculture, or subjugate a native group who can do that for you |
| 22:47.24 | OluapPlayer | Kyrsacov grow mushrooms, no reason these dwarves can't do it too |
| 22:47.46 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, but I figure there's a limit to how many people mushrooms can practically feed |
| 22:47.52 | NeonPanda | mushrooms are the poor man's meat after all |
| 22:48.03 | Hachiman | poor man not poor dwarf |
| 22:48.04 | DrodoEmpire | There're only so many damp places in the world |
| 22:48.32 | DrodoEmpire | Could be a good supplementary crop at the very least though |
| 22:49.09 | Hachiman | I know I've mentioned before that I usually skim over aspects such as harvest and agriculture and whatnot, although since this is a smaller-scale kind of deal I figure I'd lend it significance |
| 22:49.33 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 22:49.34 | Monet | Some dwarves could try hunting larger fish. |
| 22:49.48 | Monet | Or sea mammals if there are any. |
| 22:50.18 | Hachiman | Fishing and hunting, fungus harvesting, not sure what kind of crop would grow in the far north |
| 22:50.27 | Monet | Nice, fat, blubbery arctic sea creatures. Which also gives the dwarves a very healthy supply of oil. |
| 22:50.30 | DrodoEmpire | Well... |
| 22:50.34 | DrodoEmpire | How far north are we talking? |
| 22:50.38 | DrodoEmpire | Like scandinavia? |
| 22:50.39 | NeonPanda | got called away, I was about to say you can literally grow mushrooms in a box of manure so it's not exactly hard |
| 22:50.47 | DrodoEmpire | Eh fair enough |
| 22:51.14 | Hachiman | Polar Lands, which I'd say is probably comparable to Greenland |
| 22:51.19 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 22:51.29 | NeonPanda | as for staple crops you're essentially looking at tubers off the top of my head |
| 22:51.36 | OluapPlayer | You shouldn't limit yourself to real world things |
| 22:51.44 | OluapPlayer | DF has mushrooms as large as trees |
| 22:51.52 | DrodoEmpire | He... Isn't |
| 22:52.01 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi just wants to make it somewhat believable |
| 22:52.02 | Hachiman | Of course but it's still important to settle on what to envision geographically |
| 22:52.27 | DrodoEmpire | Being very fantastical is fine, but there's other ways to do things |
| 22:52.49 | Monet | One fantastical route is sea creatures even bigger than normal. |
| 22:53.25 | NeonPanda | if you're talking wet frozen tubers are basically your go to, if you're talking dry frozen you're kinda SOL |
| 22:53.33 | Monet | Come to think of it, oil from animal fat might be a worthwhile export. |
| 22:53.59 | Hachiman | Basic setting I have in mind is a penal colony / fortress established for the purposes containing criminals and, as with any dwarven settlement, mining the local mountainous region |
| 22:54.23 | DrodoEmpire | Right' |
| 22:54.29 | NeonPanda | I'm now basically just imagining dwarves surviving off potatoes, butter and beer |
| 22:54.41 | Hachiman | So, Irish folk |
| 22:55.00 | NeonPanda | because minus the third element in that, as long as you have access to clean water you only need the first two to provide all your nutritional requirements |
| 22:55.33 | Wormy_ | pretty much most folk before 1900s |
| 22:55.45 | Hachiman | I mean, the horror aspect is probably going to encompass the more fantastical side of the story because it's, well, horror-oriented |
| 22:56.47 | Monet | One thing you could read into is it is quite common IIRC for arctic expeditions to bring out the jerk in everyone. |
| 22:56.50 | NeonPanda | so yeah if you want to go the easy route, say they grow some kind of tuber and tend a herd of wooly herd animals to provide their food; fried potatoes and beer for the workers, meat and potato stew for the administrators |
| 22:57.15 | Hachiman | Imports from civilisation, such as food and whatnot, probably also come with each shipment of workers / prisoners |
| 22:57.22 | Monet | You're cold, you're tired, your body clock is fucked by the *really* long days and nights. Not good for one's psyche |
| 22:57.44 | Hachiman | And in return, rich and valuable ore and stuff is exported back to civilisation |
| 22:58.20 | NeonPanda | Hachiman: keep in mind such exchanges would be infrequent in the extreme, like probably twice annually at most depending on the distance |
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| 22:58.27 | Hachiman | Yeah makes sense |
| 22:58.29 | Hachiman | Hi |
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| 22:58.33 | NeonPanda | hi random |
| 22:58.38 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 22:59.14 | The_Randomness | I'm slowly digging through the pile of homework that I have for this week |
| 22:59.40 | NeonPanda | hit lvl 52 DRK, once I'm done watching youtube videos for a bit I'ma do the next class quest |
| 22:59.49 | Hachiman | I mean the dwarven civ that the settlement would belong to is also located in the north |
| 22:59.51 | The_Randomness | nice |
| 23:00.10 | Hachiman | So maybe not much more than twice annually - maybe once a season barring winter |
| 23:00.22 | NeonPanda | as a long time DM it hurts me that I didn't see the plot twist coming, but I love it all the same |
| 23:01.01 | The_Randomness | plot twist from the msq or something else? |
| 23:01.08 | NeonPanda | DRK quests |
| 23:01.11 | The_Randomness | ah |
| 23:01.19 | The_Randomness | I won't ask then, don't want to spoil those for myself |
| 23:01.30 | NeonPanda | was gud, was v gud |
| 23:01.55 | NeonPanda | remind me to find some way to combine dark knight with dragons next time I'm playing a more traditional D&D game |
| 23:02.07 | NeonPanda | or at least one where a dragon emphasis makes a bit more sense |
| 23:02.18 | Monet | Batman Punches a Dragon. |
| 23:02.46 | NeonPanda | I meant as a character you butt |
| 23:03.03 | Monet | I know a guy who claimed to have punched a dragon to death in Skyrim. |
| 23:03.18 | Monet | Bare-fisted I think |
| 23:04.11 | NeonPanda | I could see it be done, khajiit with the right build and gear enhancements |
| 23:04.27 | NeonPanda | further reason to despise Skyrim (keep in mind, love the game as a whole, hate what it did to dragons) |
| 23:04.27 | Hachiman | Punchcat |
| 23:04.49 | Monet | I can't remember the specifics as it was a few years ago and he regretted not recording it |
| 23:05.54 | NeonPanda | to be fair you can achieve pretty ridiculous unarmed damage as a khajiit with the right setup |
| 23:06.30 | Monet | He might have been a Nord |
| 23:07.43 | Monet | Whatever he played, knowing him, would need a massive (but not wizard-style massive) beard. |
| 23:15.40 | Monet | "This one would ever so enjoy destroying your scaly face!" |
| 23:16.06 | Monet | Wait is it Khajit or Argonians that refer to themselves as "this one"? |
| 23:16.39 | Hachiman | I believe that's Khajit |
| 23:16.47 | The_Randomness | yeah, that's Khajiit |
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| 23:27.18 | Monet | Random thought I'm starting to wonder about the practicality of super-soldiers |
| 23:27.57 | Hachiman | Depends what you're using those supersoldiers for and how they've been enhanced from ordinary people |
| 23:29.48 | Hachiman | If you are using supersoldiers as shock units or to fill a particular niche military role with which you do not need to produce many of them, I cannot see much of a problem |
| 23:32.33 | Monet | And for broader uses? |
| 23:33.10 | Monet | Or perhaps the full hof cybernetic-genetic-psychotherapy enhancement |
| 23:33.12 | Hachiman | Well, making them able to be multipurpose and adaptable to a large number of roles is also beneficial |
| 23:37.36 | Monet | There might still be the integration factor |
| 23:38.12 | Hachiman | Integration factor? |
| 23:39.30 | Monet | Well all these super-soldiers have enhancements likely beyond what most civilians can get but they're told military life is all they can have with them. |
| 23:40.52 | Hachiman | Hm |
| 23:41.40 | Hachiman | Well, there's nothing saying you cannot eventually replace their enhancements with civilian-friendly gear or augmentations if you took integration as a factor upon producing them |
| 23:41.59 | Monet | And if the enhancements are genetic? |
| 23:43.09 | Monet | I agree a civilian-friendly bionic arm could easily be provided (made out of ceramics or plastic rather than military-grade carbon nanotube for example) |
| 23:43.21 | Hachiman | If you have the technology to modify genes, you can possibly 'reverse' or change the enhancements you installed |
| 23:43.46 | Hachiman | Granted, probably far too expensive to be viable or practical |
| 23:47.46 | Monet | It might be that generally, converting a super-soldier to acclimatise to civilian life will require a lot of procedures |
| 23:48.05 | Monet | Replacing their augmentations, gene therapy, possibly organ transplants. |
| 23:48.19 | Hachiman | Aye, plus a fair bit of recovery and care time afterwards |
| 23:48.51 | Monet | Considerably expensive. |
| 23:49.07 | DrodoEmpire | Considering how hard it often is for soldiers to reintegrate into civilian life anyways, yeah this seems like hell for everybody involved |
| 23:49.33 | Hachiman | Suppose this would be why you would take this into account *before* you start producing genetically-enhanced supersoldiers |
| 23:49.38 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:49.44 | Hachiman | Cybernetically-enhanced, however, would probably fare ebtter |
| 23:49.46 | Hachiman | better* |
| 23:50.01 | DrodoEmpire | Not that countries have often considered veterans' aid very much in the past :p |
| 23:50.13 | Hachiman | Yeah which is rather ech |
| 23:50.16 | Monet | Any psychottherapy however might be nigh-on impossible to do. |
| 23:50.34 | DrodoEmpire | Granted, if they don't *now* it actually poses an existential threat, so maybe that would be incentive enough |
| 23:51.47 | Monet | It takes many sessions for therapists to break down seep-set psychological traits that emerge normally. |
| 23:51.53 | Monet | deep* |
| 23:53.33 | Monet | Concernedly, some patients just flat-out don't recover. Granted it's hard to know if current methods are the best, or the most inefficient way of repairing someone's psyche. |
| 23:54.04 | Hachiman | To be fair, that is not entirely the fault of the state |
| 23:54.46 | DrodoEmpire | Well no |
| 23:55.06 | Hachiman | Not everyone can be psychologically repaired with the same universal techniques - some methods for a select number of people, while not for others |
| 23:55.29 | DrodoEmpire | I mean its a mix of the training and whatever horrors you go through on the field that mindfucks you, which is why its so complicated to help these people |
| 23:56.47 | DrodoEmpire | And because its so complicated to help these people, its more than just throwing money at the problem |
| 23:57.13 | DrodoEmpire | And its sorta the state's job to throw money at problems :p |
| 23:57.53 | Monet | Hachiman: Exactly. |
| 23:58.45 | Monet | One of the most understated things about psychotherapy is each patient has their own responses and reactions. |
