| 00:00.04 | Xho | Hachiman: People hoping Fake Frank would win get your bitch ass outta here |
| 00:00.15 | Hachiman | kek |
| 00:10.19 | Monet_2 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bjTrPutt4k unveiling cities in the heavens |
| 00:10.46 | Monet_2 | (can be watched without sound but its much cooler with sound) |
| 00:16.24 | Monet_2 | I think this video describes EVE play best. |
| 00:20.55 | Xho | Looks like a game you could pour many days into |
| 00:22.15 | Monet_2 | Years more like |
| 00:23.04 | Wormy_away | There are some games I dare not play |
| 00:23.19 | Xho | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35w_X58hJek egad |
| 00:24.04 | Xho | Everyone actually |
| 00:24.05 | Xho | egad |
| 00:24.34 | Monet_2 | EvE can be a very good game to understand the velocity of money |
| 00:25.00 | Hachiman | Agony looks so good |
| 00:25.12 | Hachiman | I think I saw earlier footage for it from a demo and it looked amazing |
| 00:25.14 | Wormy_away | sweet dreams tonight |
| 00:25.30 | The_Randomness | Monet_2: just rerolled my dex and went from 12 to 16 \o/ |
| 00:30.57 | Monet_2 | Xho: Also being a douche in Eve is almost a requirement |
| 00:31.07 | Xho | Hm |
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| 00:31.32 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 00:31.38 | Monet_2 | hi |
| 00:31.40 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 00:31.59 | The_Randomness | NeonPanda: Was able to reroll one of my stats, rerolled dex and went from 12 to 16 |
| 00:32.00 | The_Randomness | \o/ |
| 00:34.16 | NeonPanda | heh nice |
| 00:35.06 | Monet_2 | Xho: "kill you and steal your shit" is standard fare for stranger-to-stranger activity outside NPC-patrolled safe space. |
| 00:35.28 | NeonPanda | only reason I didn't suggest asking for a reroll was you could do everything you wanted to, and we could always get stat-boosting items later on |
| 00:35.41 | NeonPanda | that and you didn't quite roll an inkeeper |
| 00:36.00 | Hachiman | He didn't ask |
| 00:36.07 | The_Randomness | yeah, hachi offered |
| 00:36.14 | NeonPanda | all the same |
| 00:36.30 | The_Randomness | but yeah, I get what you mean |
| 00:36.35 | Hachiman | I posed the question to him and saw that with 14 AC and 11 HP, he's gonna go down fairly quickly if he's unfortunate enough |
| 00:36.51 | NeonPanda | eh just means he has to stand a bit further back |
| 00:37.31 | NeonPanda | also what string of misfortune ended you with 11hp? |
| 00:37.36 | NeonPanda | cos that's like 3hp gain over two levels |
| 00:37.59 | The_Randomness | well, my 9 con doesn't help |
| 00:38.09 | Hachiman | I was about to say |
| 00:38.32 | The_Randomness | Also, my rolls were 8, 3, 3 for health |
| 00:38.43 | The_Randomness | so rip those last two rolls |
| 00:38.55 | Hachiman | You know you don't need to roll for first level right? |
| 00:39.00 | The_Randomness | Yeah, I do |
| 00:39.17 | The_Randomness | I did most of this with a cs generator |
| 00:39.20 | NeonPanda | on the plus side, at least you're not a 2e wizard |
| 00:39.36 | The_Randomness | were they the squishiest things ever? |
| 00:39.40 | Hachiman | On the bad side, you're not a 2E Wizard with two other 2E Wizards at your side |
| 00:39.42 | NeonPanda | 1d4 hit dice |
| 00:39.49 | The_Randomness | my gosh |
| 00:40.14 | NeonPanda | on the plus side you can do what I'm doing and next level put a point in CON, good chunk of extra health for you |
| 00:40.23 | The_Randomness | right |
| 00:40.33 | Hachiman | Still probably one of my favourite Spoony stories, that one |
| 00:40.41 | The_Randomness | I also took Great Fortitude so then I'm not completely screwed for fort saves |
| 00:40.53 | Hachiman | Just three squishy wizards beating the absolute shit out of a whole party |
| 00:41.10 | NeonPanda | tbh I can never really enjoy that episode because it reminds me of the arseholery that is organised play |
| 00:41.49 | Hachiman | Organised play does sound kinda dumb when put into practice |
| 00:42.23 | NeonPanda | it's great in theory, just terrible in implementation |
| 00:42.33 | NeonPanda | because it fosters powergaming to the exclusion of all ele |
| 00:42.35 | NeonPanda | else* |
| 00:43.01 | NeonPanda | for the record, I have nothing wrong with powergaming, what I have a problem with is an environment where not powergaming is met with hostility |
| 00:43.09 | OluapPlayer | no monkey no game |
| 00:43.57 | NeonPanda | iirc monkey people are approved for organised play, they are only advanced race guide after all |
| 00:45.36 | Hachiman | If Oluap wanted to fully powergame, he'd have gone a Monk instead of Brawler and utilised his monkey to his full potential as Son Wukong |
| 00:46.25 | NeonPanda | nah if he wanted to powergame he'd still be a brawler, cos brawler > monk in combat which is all powergamers care about |
| 00:46.36 | NeonPanda | maximum grapple feats and make people cry |
| 00:46.37 | Hachiman | Really? |
| 00:46.56 | Hachiman | Hm actually no, I can see what you mean |
| 00:47.02 | OluapPlayer | instead of throwing doodoo at people, I throw people at my doodoo |
| 00:47.09 | The_Randomness | would that pretty much mean melee range stunlock? |
| 00:47.20 | The_Randomness | I can't remember exactly how grapple works |
| 00:47.28 | NeonPanda | they have the same damage, same number of attacks, only brawlers have fighter feats |
| 00:47.40 | Hachiman | It absolutely would; I've played with a guy who maximised his grappling potential and RP'd a wrestler |
| 00:47.44 | Hachiman | Or a luchador, rather |
| 00:48.04 | NeonPanda | Random: kinda like that but not really like that, just there's a particular way to make grappling particularly retarded in terms of damage |
| 00:48.19 | OluapPlayer | Obligatory story of the half-orc luchador who grappled a dragon and pinned its wings in midair |
| 00:48.23 | Hachiman | hur |
| 00:48.40 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 00:48.49 | The_Randomness | did he end up killing both the dragon and himself? |
| 00:49.00 | The_Randomness | NeonPanda: ah |
| 00:49.01 | OluapPlayer | Dragon died, he survived with -2 HP |
| 00:49.02 | Hachiman | Nowhere near that exciting, but he managed to sustain a permanent grapple against a Level 8 Cleric while between Level 1 or 3 |
| 00:49.40 | NeonPanda | if you're trained in grappling, sustaining a grapple against anyone your body size or lower is exceedingly easy |
| 00:49.50 | Hachiman | And before you ask why the DM threw a Level 8 Cleric against us, it was kind of our fault for pissing him off |
| 00:50.00 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 00:50.24 | OluapPlayer | http://i.imgur.com/qKo204L.jpg shame on you for not knowing the legend of Los Tiburon |
| 00:50.39 | Hachiman | Los Tiburon is fucking <3 godlike <3 |
| 00:50.43 | NeonPanda | it's always their fault if they're actually fighting things higher level than them |
| 00:51.10 | NeonPanda | like that one time a fresh fighter thought he could take on a level 12 fighter who was specifically noted to be a fucking badarse |
| 00:51.26 | Hachiman | Spoiler; got his shit pushed in? |
| 00:51.49 | NeonPanda | the only reason he survived is technically he hadn't broken the law, so the knight technically wasn't allowed to kill him |
| 00:52.45 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 00:52.56 | Hachiman | For comparison; the brief "fight" between the guy who was serving as Ned Stark's bodyguard and Jaime Lannister |
| 00:53.28 | NeonPanda | the Knights of the King's Justice are basically a less subtle version of the Inquisition, they mostly deal with crime in the nobility because if they went around killing every criminal for every crime there wouldn't be many people left |
| 00:53.58 | NeonPanda | and they're all at least tenth level |
| 01:08.09 | Wormy_away | So, this exists http://blackfridaydeathcount.com/ |
| 01:09.18 | NeonPanda | need a good record of how messed up and backwards america is |
| 01:09.32 | NeonPanda | where people care more about an occasional sale than they do elections |
| 01:09.33 | Hachiman | Not just America, it seems |
| 01:09.39 | Hachiman | South Africa is the first thing on there |
| 01:10.22 | Monet_2 | "Shopper opens fire, killing one, over Walmart parking spot in Reno, NV" |
| 01:10.31 | Wormy_away | "Policeman stabbed in the neck confronting 'HMV shoplifter' in Leeds" |
| 01:10.41 | Wormy_away | North of England too :P |
| 01:10.59 | Monet_2 | "Black Friday kicks off with deadly shooting at New Jersey mall" |
| 01:11.15 | Monet_2 | Why are Americans shooting each other over sales? |
| 01:11.28 | Hachiman | Because Americunts are fucking retarded? |
| 01:12.17 | Monet_2 | At least this is mild comapred to 2011 |
| 01:12.28 | Monet_2 | the death/injury toll I mean |
| 01:14.09 | OluapPlayer | Black friday sounds terrible, I'm glad people don't take it as seriously over here |
| 01:14.48 | NeonPanda | always reminds me of Black Pete, a scandinavian christmas tale character who must exclusively be played by a white man with black facepaint |
| 01:15.04 | NeonPanda | supposedly because his face is covered in soot, but we all know what's really going on |
| 01:15.26 | Hachiman | Wasn't Black Friday significant in that it used to be a special day where African slavs were sold or something |
| 01:15.33 | Hachiman | *African slaves |
| 01:15.37 | Wormy_away | Last year when they unleashed it in the UK, things got a bit nuts. But it was dead as a doornail yesterday in most places this year |
| 01:15.45 | Monet_2 | Hachiman: Not really |
| 01:16.22 | Monet_2 | "black friday" if I understand was a name coined by L.A. civic services for how much of a hedache is |
| 01:16.22 | Wormy_away | I think its like our Boxing Day sales, but instead of Christmas, it being related to Thanksgiving |
| 01:16.29 | The_Randomness | Was Black Friday was the day after, or on when the stock markets went to shit before/at the start of the Great Depression? |
| 01:16.39 | Hachiman | Then, as usual, my stepdad is talking shit |
| 01:16.41 | The_Randomness | woops, an extra word slipped in |
| 01:17.57 | Monet_2 | It's the day after thanksgiving |
| 01:18.03 | The_Randomness | Yeah, I know that |
| 01:18.05 | OluapPlayer | It may have been the case before but I only paid attention this year, our TV commercials are literally calling this time period Black Friday |
| 01:18.27 | OluapPlayer | Didn't even bother translating it |
| 01:19.01 | Monet_2 | I can't recall a clear meaning |
| 01:19.06 | OluapPlayer | Though to be fair, translating Black Friday to portuguese makes it sounds like something extremely evil |
| 01:19.35 | Monet_2 | It's either referring ot shops turning a profit (going from 'in the red' to 'in the black') or was a by-word used by public services for the headache that was the stampede of pedestrian traffic |
| 01:19.40 | The_Randomness | Monet_2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(shopping)#Origin_of_the_term |
| 01:19.49 | NeonPanda | the two earliest references were a civil servant being annoyed by the stampede or shops turning a profit |
| 01:19.56 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: That being? |
| 01:20.20 | The_Randomness | Hachiman: apparently the thing your stepdad said can be traced to an internet rumor from 2013 |
| 01:20.21 | OluapPlayer | Sexta Feira Negra, which would translate back as Dark Friday |
| 01:21.01 | Monet_2 | SOunds about right |
| 01:21.09 | Wormy_away | Why is that extremely evil? |
| 01:21.17 | OluapPlayer | DARK Friday |
| 01:21.20 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 01:21.39 | OluapPlayer | We use the same word for black and dark |
| 01:21.51 | Wormy_away | ohh |
| 01:22.04 | OluapPlayer | Sexta Feira Negra in our language sounds downright sinister |
| 01:22.37 | NeonPanda | I'm somewhat tempted to make a joke about you therefore calling things "black yellow" as opposed to "dark yellow" but I'm pretty sure your language doesn't actually work that way |
| 01:22.39 | Wormy_away | the year has enough dark fridays as it is, like Friday the 13th |
| 01:22.58 | The_Randomness | Monet_2: seems like the main thing here is that Black Friday marks the beginning of the Christmas shopping season |
| 01:22.58 | OluapPlayer | What is black yellow supposed to be? |
| 01:23.39 | NeonPanda | nothing, you just said you used the same word for black and dark, so therefore if you were calling something dark yellow you'd also be calling it black yellow |
| 01:24.13 | OluapPlayer | confusion dot jaypeg |
| 01:24.47 | NeonPanda | I slap u |
| 01:25.01 | OluapPlayer | fug |
| 01:25.05 | Hachiman | comms fusion doth jrpg |
| 01:25.31 | NeonPanda | and Hachi went weaboo, secondary objective complete for +1 victory point |
| 01:25.57 | OluapPlayer | Hachi is weeaboo by default |
| 01:26.14 | Hachiman | ore wa ochinchin ga daisuki nandayo |
| 01:26.26 | Hachiman | omae wa shindeiru |
| 01:27.00 | OluapPlayer | ching chong ping pong to you too lady |
| 01:27.58 | NeonPanda | I swear at some point he's gonna straight up say something out of hentai in japanese and we're not even going to notice |
| 01:28.28 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 01:29.08 | Hachiman | >implying "omae wa shindeiru" has never been used in a hentai |
| 01:29.18 | NeonPanda | I have no idea what that means so maybe |
| 01:38.12 | Wormy_away | This is What Happens When Two Bamboo Trains Meet on the Bamboo Railway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilJAczgfmHk |
| 01:38.21 | Wormy_away | > "I was expecting carnage. No mutual cooperation." |
| 02:04.59 | Wormy_away | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.19 | Wormy_away | awesome as fuk |
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| 02:55.12 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_Away: Oh cool |
| 03:38.36 | *** join/#sporewiki Spluff5 (2f48467f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.72.70.127) |
| 03:38.44 | Spluff5 | Yo |
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| 05:01.06 | tcm | hi |
| 05:02.50 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 05:03.58 | tcm | what kind of operating systems do you all use |
| 05:04.15 | tcm | i'm wrestling with trying to get spore to work w/ windows 8.1 |
| 05:05.15 | DrodoEmpire | I use 8.1 as well I think |
| 05:08.01 | DrodoEmpire | I don't think I've had any major issues |
| 05:08.09 | DrodoEmpire | And I'm not a techie >.< |
| 05:14.01 | tcm | damn |
| 05:15.02 | tcm | i used to use vista on my old laptop but then it melted or something |
| 05:15.46 | tcm | it is very hard to make visual content for the sporewiki fiction universe when one cannot play spore |
| 05:17.14 | DrodoEmpire | Eh, I suppose |
| 05:17.29 | The_Randomness | Did you try using compatibility settings or anything? |
| 05:17.37 | tcm | hmm |
| 05:17.53 | DrodoEmpire | Like I said I've been thinking of doing/commissioning drawings, which is another option if you have the time, skill, or money to invest |
| 05:18.17 | DrodoEmpire | I used to be decent at sketches but I let that atrophy a lot (which I regret. A lot.) |
| 05:19.17 | tcm | yeah i do do some art occasionally (and i actually have considered making some for my latest fiction!) |
| 05:20.24 | tcm | but since it's pretty much entirely pixels i worry about style issues |
| 05:20.46 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 05:23.29 | DrodoEmpire | Hm |
| 05:23.39 | DrodoEmpire | I should probably write that new fiction page soon |
| 05:24.29 | tcm | hey, it looks like compatibility mode works for base spore |
| 05:24.33 | tcm | let's see if it works for ga |
| 05:24.45 | DrodoEmpire | Oh cool |
| 05:26.38 | tcm | http://68.media.tumblr.com/f72c0c9929f42ff8b2d41648dfd6a2ab/tumblr_o9yivqnLfG1r7l7cko1_540.png this is the sort of stuff i make |
| 05:29.40 | DrodoEmpire | Oh nice |
| 05:29.47 | DrodoEmpire | No that'd work well honestly |
| 05:30.07 | DrodoEmpire | Just a different art style, that's all |
| 05:30.46 | tcm | alright, looks like ga works too |
| 05:31.24 | DrodoEmpire | Great |
| 05:31.31 | tcm | thanks |
| 05:34.02 | Tek0516 | Most disappointing piece of debris in Stellarus https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6NxdoYBQ/20161127003251_1.jpg |
| 05:34.05 | Tek0516 | *Stellaris |
| 05:34.23 | tcm | is stellaris worth getting |
| 05:34.34 | The_Randomness | 0/10 debris |
| 05:34.35 | Tek0516 | I think so. |
| 05:36.03 | tcm | i hear there's been a lot of new stuff since release |
| 05:36.21 | DrodoEmpire | Stellaris is definitely the title to get if you're new to Paradox games |
| 05:36.38 | DrodoEmpire | But I'd also try Europa Universalis IV |
| 05:36.50 | DrodoEmpire | And- if you're crazy- Victoria II <.< |
| 05:37.07 | DrodoEmpire | Join the two other people still playing that game |
| 05:37.09 | DrodoEmpire | >.> |
| 05:37.17 | tcm | yeah, i've never played a 4x before |
| 05:37.43 | tcm | apparently stellaris is real good with tutorials? |
| 05:38.40 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, decent |
| 05:38.54 | DrodoEmpire | As far as Paradox Interactive games go anyway |
| 05:38.59 | DrodoEmpire | Their tutorials tend to be horrendous |
| 05:39.31 | DrodoEmpire | Also, Stellaris isn't a conventional "4x", as its real time like the rest of PDX's Grand Strategy games |
| 05:39.38 | DrodoEmpire | Which frankly I like better |
| 05:39.43 | DrodoEmpire | But just a heads up |
| 05:39.58 | tcm | ah |
| 05:40.27 | Tek0516 | Paradox games in general are a sort of a turn-based/RTS combination. At least in singleplayer, MP tends to be a little more RTS. |
| 05:42.18 | Spluff5 | Oh, activity |
| 05:42.41 | Tek0516 | But the main idea of Paradox games are their grand strategy genre. Compared to 4X games they're a lot more about diplomacy and internal politics rather than a sole focus on warfare. |
| 05:44.02 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 05:44.13 | DrodoEmpire | 99% of their titles are also historical |
| 05:44.26 | DrodoEmpire | And the dedication to accuracy (for video games) is admirable |
| 05:44.46 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, the EUIV world map is... wow |
| 05:45.15 | DrodoEmpire | Probably 90% accuracy, 95, with the occasional abstraction made for practical or gameplay reasons |
| 05:46.08 | DrodoEmpire | Some very minor tribes and clans aren't depicted, and that's really it |
| 05:50.42 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Union_of_Atlantic_Provinces - New fiction boiiis |
| 05:51.00 | DrodoEmpire | Infobox needs some adjustments (isn't showing the demographics I put in) |
| 05:51.06 | DrodoEmpire | But besides that, rough start |
| 05:51.30 | Tek0516 | Their games are also under continuous development for years. Even if you don't buy the DLCs the game still changes almost unrecognizably over time. |
| 05:51.41 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 05:51.51 | DrodoEmpire | And becomes better |
| 05:51.58 | DrodoEmpire | Unless its this latest EUIV patch |
| 05:52.05 | DrodoEmpire | Then it becomes objectively worse |
| 05:52.12 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 05:52.17 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 05:52.40 | DrodoEmpire | They just made a few really fucking stupid changes >.< |
| 05:52.55 | DrodoEmpire | I don't have the patchnotes right here but I'll explain later |
| 05:58.08 | tcm | how well does this wiki take to format screw |
| 05:58.27 | DrodoEmpire | Dunno...? |
| 05:58.33 | DrodoEmpire | Sounds like a question for Tech |
| 05:58.38 | DrodoEmpire | But I doubt she's awake rn |
| 05:59.18 | tcm | oh not like, css messes |
| 05:59.41 | tcm | the current fiction i'm working on is styled like a heavily-biased propaganda leaflet |
| 05:59.53 | DrodoEmpire | Not a tech guy so that's Greek to me |
| 05:59.58 | DrodoEmpire | Ah, I see |
| 06:00.17 | tcm | i wanted to make something that, if you hit "random page" and landed on it, you'd enjoy reading |
| 06:00.40 | tcm | something more fun than a plain reference |
| 06:01.06 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, right |
| 06:01.39 | DrodoEmpire | Well, yeah I and most others tend to use the fiction nation page as more or less a reference page, like an encyclopaedia |
| 06:01.50 | DrodoEmpire | But that's definitely a cool idea of yours |
| 06:02.46 | tcm | just wondering if that sort of thing is like, acceptable here |
| 06:03.05 | DrodoEmpire | Oh of course |
| 06:03.16 | DrodoEmpire | Very few things are outright unacceptable here >.< |
| 06:03.43 | tcm | hoo hoo hoo |
| 06:04.15 | DrodoEmpire | Don't plagiarise, don't belittle, don't make new galaxies, and maybe steer clear from out-and-out pornography and you're in the clear |
| 06:21.44 | Spluff5 | YO |
| 06:21.53 | Spluff5 | Is this a new guy |
| 06:22.40 | tcm | who, me |
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| 06:29.29 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 06:30.22 | tcm | hello again |
| 06:31.08 | Spluff5 | Hey |
| 06:42.02 | Spluff5 | Can I ask you guys about my shield concept? |
| 06:44.15 | DrodoEmpire | Sure |
| 06:46.03 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 06:58.55 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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| 09:41.19 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 09:43.52 | Spluff5 | Nice test |
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| 09:44.08 | Spluff5 | Yo |
| 09:44.08 | Jepardi | HI |
| 09:44.28 | Spluff5 | I don't think I've seen you around these parts before |
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| 09:46.06 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 09:46.23 | Spluff5 | Hi |
| 09:47.15 | NeonPanda | having started work on a ~125m heavy industrial cruiser in Space Engineers, I now have a much greater sense of scale of some of the ridiculousness of the size of ships employed in the wikiverse |
| 09:49.39 | Spluff5 | Like what? |
| 09:49.54 | Spluff5 | I've actually been experimenting with ship size myself |
| 09:50.14 | NeonPanda | multiple ships cross the 10km mark, I recall at least a couple users exceeding that by a fair way too |
| 09:51.05 | Spluff5 | Oh |
| 09:51.09 | DrodoEmpire | I think the largest battleship one would practically need is two kilometres |
| 09:51.16 | Spluff5 | Lack of gravity in space helps with that I guess |
| 09:51.16 | NeonPanda | ^ |
| 09:51.17 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe, *maybe*, three |
| 09:51.44 | DrodoEmpire | Supercarriers are as absurdly large as they are due to their being logistical vessels |
| 09:51.54 | DrodoEmpire | Not battleships of any sorts |
| 09:51.56 | NeonPanda | this is why when I still cared about such things, I suggested that the term "super" in reference to spaceships should apply specifically to things larger than practically necessary |
| 09:52.05 | NeonPanda | be in reference to* |
| 09:52.09 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh |
| 09:52.12 | NeonPanda | wait no that sentence was right |
| 09:53.37 | Spluff5 | Not sure how large my largest ship is at the moment. I've been experimenting with the spaceship builder to figure out how to make ships look larger than they actually are. |
| 09:53.47 | DrodoEmpire | I can see heavy-duty civilian carriers being extremely large |
| 09:53.54 | NeonPanda | you've got to admit there's a certain point where increased size stops having a practical increase in effectiveness compared to just employing multiple ships |
| 09:53.58 | DrodoEmpire | Like as big as supercarriers if not much bigger |
| 09:54.15 | NeonPanda | well yeah but civilian ships work on different parameters |
| 09:54.15 | DrodoEmpire | Oh absolutely |
| 09:55.04 | NeonPanda | I absolutely agree that civilian ships can and in some cases should reach such sizes, but like I said they're built to different standards |
| 09:55.53 | NeonPanda | the thing with military ships is that at a certain point their military value starts to decrease from their increased individual maintenance cost and target profile at least compared to employing multiple smaller ships |
| 09:56.30 | NeonPanda | that's the point that I tend to start describing something as a supership, because that's the point where it essentially just becomes dickwaving rather than efficiency (which, granted, is a useful trait in and of itself) |
| 10:09.07 | DrodoEmpire | I know. >.< |
| 10:09.12 | DrodoEmpire | I was just saying |
| 10:11.46 | Spluff5 | Are either of you technology people? |
| 10:12.04 | NeonPanda | somewhat, but hte more theoretical you get the less interested I get |
| 10:12.18 | NeonPanda | biotechnology being the one notable exception |
| 10:14.24 | Spluff5 | How do your shields work? |
| 10:15.11 | NeonPanda | there are so many different kinds of shields you'd be better off asking Ghelae or Wormy than me, because at this point I hardly have a clue |
| 10:20.47 | NeonPanda | sorry I can't be much help, but from the time I joined until now the wikiverse went off the deep end in terms of hard science to the point that I just lost interest in keeping up |
| 10:21.12 | Spluff5 | Ah ok |
| 10:21.34 | Spluff5 | I was trying to design some for the weapons page I'm currently writing. |
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| 10:28.27 | Treebeard | Hello |
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| 10:32.28 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:32.35 | NeonPanda | hi |
| 10:32.46 | NeonPanda | Ghelae, Spluff was asking about shields before, think you might be able to field some questions? |
| 10:33.05 | Ghelae | Sure. |
| 10:34.57 | Spluff5 | Yo |
| 10:35.04 | Spluff5 | That was fortunate |
| 10:35.43 | NeonPanda | it's a little known fact that Ghelaes are attracted by scientific inquiries |
| 10:37.17 | Spluff5 | Heh' |
| 10:48.19 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 10:50.04 | NeonPanda | you passed |
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| 11:35.31 | NeonPanda | hi |
| 11:35.50 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 11:36.29 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 11:37.05 | Treebeard | Hello |
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| 12:19.22 | NeonPanda | and I'm back |
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| 12:38.42 | Wormy_ | Apple pie an custard for breakfast |
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| 12:44.13 | Monet | Hi |
| 12:48.57 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 12:49.00 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 12:59.31 | Imperios | Monet2 DrodoEmpire: https://67.media.tumblr.com/cb48a4f01946a254bde4575968d5a4d9/tumblr_oh89p2ZaJw1sjl3k5o1_1280.jpg |
| 13:00.31 | Monet2 | Tumblrinas man |
| 13:01.45 | Monet2 | Spoke too quickly actually |
| 13:03.28 | Monet2 | brains still winding down after exploring a mighty union: EvE and spreadsheets! |
| 13:04.30 | Imperios | Monet: The anti-Tumblrina |
| 13:08.32 | Monet2 | So my new grand scheme in becoming a capitalist pigdog oligarch will mean shutting down a couple of colonies and moving primary industry further out and into...low-sec |
| 13:09.06 | NeonPanda | Monet2: EVE is known to cause spontaneous flowcharts from time to time, you really should get that looked at |
| 13:11.25 | Monet2 | On the plus side it's going to create manufacturing jobs for one of the colonies and support it's high tech industry |
| 13:12.42 | Monet2 | so it's not all bad news, right? |
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| 13:14.49 | Monet | Odd |
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| 13:15.49 | OluapPlayer | Monet2 Imperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqWJNu-IllU |
| 13:19.30 | Monet2 | This Arthas must be Art has'd |
| 13:23.31 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: My Arthas is arthas |
| 13:24.39 | Wormy_ | found this after many years http://www.nikon.com/about/feelnikon/universcale/index.htm |
| 13:36.12 | Imperios | Monet2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9ILL7p-fFg |
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| 13:38.06 | Monet2 | Hi |
| 13:38.46 | Monet2 | Imperios: currently on phone in public without headphones sorry |
| 13:39.09 | Xho | Afternoon |
| 13:39.37 | Xho | Monet2: >no headphones >in public Just what kind of sorcery is this |
| 13:41.15 | Monet2 | I don't use my phone for music much |
| 13:42.10 | Monet2 | Odd how you speak of sorcery as I am omw to see Fantastic Beasts |
| 13:42.47 | Xho | oho |
| 13:42.53 | Xho | Technobliterator: Use your dam bot |
| 13:51.51 | Imperios | Wormy_: Monet2 I've been trying to add milk to my tea recently. How much milk per cup would you say is the perfect amount? |
| 13:52.35 | Wormy_ | I don't add very much milk, just enough to give it an orange-brown colour |
| 13:52.54 | Wormy_ | Don't add too much milk or its what we call gnats piss |
| 13:53.09 | Wormy_ | Also I brew my tea for a good 3 to 5 minutes |
| 13:54.35 | Wormy_ | Everybody has different tastes when it comes to sugar or no sugar, brewing times, and milk amount |
| 13:56.04 | Wormy_ | Imperios https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41-QgMhKUWL._SY300_.jpg |
| 13:56.16 | Monet2 | You just need to brown it slightly |
| 13:56.19 | Imperios | Right |
| 13:56.38 | Imperios | So I was doing things wrong then, my milk tea ended up being of a biege colour hur |
| 13:57.03 | Monet2 | Yes you were |
| 13:57.36 | Monet2 | do Russians add much milk to their tea? |
| 13:57.46 | Wormy_ | I consider this a good colour http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/7f104012804d4cbfbad2fd7aa93633b4/mug-of-tea-strong-cup-of-tea-in-a-plain-white-mug-c18f7y.jpg |
| 13:57.57 | Wormy_ | We call it 'Builders tea' |
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| 13:59.31 | Cyrannian | Hello |
| 14:00.06 | Imperios | Monet2: We do not add milk at all |
| 14:00.32 | Imperios | Yes we are weird |
| 14:00.50 | Imperios | If there is anything we drink it with other than sugar it's usually jam |
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| 14:01.05 | Imperios | Oh hi |
| 14:01.10 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 14:02.16 | NeonPanda | hi |
| 14:02.25 | Wormy_ | I heard Russians have a custom of brewing tea all night, and in the cold |
| 14:03.50 | OluapPlayer | ~crush Cyrannian |
| 14:03.50 | infobot | ACTION crushes Cyrannian with a full height scsi disk |
| 14:05.10 | Xho | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/99/KRepublicKicathian2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20161127140221 New Kicathian script because go fuck your eyes |
| 14:05.53 | Xho | Believe it or not that one actually has a structure |
| 14:07.20 | Imperios | Wormy_: Sort of |
| 14:07.34 | Monet2 | What does it say |
| 14:08.10 | Xho | Kicathian Republic |
| 14:08.44 | Cyrannian | Very impressive, that must have taken a lot of work |
| 14:08.47 | Imperios | Wormy_: There's a larger cup where we brew the tea for long until it becomes very concentrated. Then we pour that concentrate into other cups and dilute it with water |
| 14:08.48 | Cyrannian | ~tickle OluapPlayer |
| 14:08.48 | infobot | ACTION jumps on OluapPlayer, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 14:08.55 | Xho | Cyrannian: It's actually a font |
| 14:10.43 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Sounds great, I must try it |
| 14:11.20 | Wormy_ | I've met someone who put two or three tea bags in their flask and left it brewing all day |
| 14:12.04 | Xho | why |
| 14:12.29 | Monet2 | The pure essence of tea |
| 14:12.42 | Imperios | Wormy_: That sounds like what we do |
| 14:12.43 | Wormy_ | We were doing countryside management, so it kept us going all day |
| 14:13.49 | Imperios | Siberians also drink undiluted tea concentrate, that takes a few bags |
| 14:13.52 | Imperios | But I never tried that |
| 14:14.17 | Wormy_ | Sounds like it'd want to make me wee very quickly |
| 14:15.23 | Monet2 | I'm contemplating building a Dracid font file |
| 14:15.51 | Wormy_ | I'm also into speciality teas. I like lapsang, for example |
| 14:16.31 | Wormy_ | I went throough a period of collecting unusual teas |
| 14:19.00 | Xho | Might try and make a flag for the Kicath |
| 14:19.18 | Xho | Unfortunately I don't have the tools on this computer like I do at work |
| 14:21.30 | Tek0516 | I did make an FTC font at one point. |
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| 14:22.55 | Cyrannian | Hm, I just realised that Valkistair should probably have a first name |
| 14:23.04 | Xho | Why doesn't paint.net give you guides |
| 14:23.05 | Xho | why |
| 14:23.17 | Cyrannian | Any ideas for one? Preferably beginning with "Nex-" |
| 14:23.53 | Hachiman | Nexitruc |
| 14:23.58 | Xho | Nexinex |
| 14:24.10 | Hachiman | Nexbeard |
| 14:24.26 | Monet | Cyrannion: why Nex. Wasn't the nex prophet hated? |
| 14:24.29 | Cyrannian | Cyrannus' Nex Top Model |
| 14:24.35 | Hachiman | Fucking kek |
| 14:25.03 | Cyrannian | Most Trucinex characters have a "Nex-" prefix |
| 14:25.26 | Hachiman | Nexridon |
| 14:25.30 | Xho | 0/10 |
| 14:25.38 | Monet | So convention |
| 14:26.56 | Cyrannian | Think I'll go with Nexarón because gotta fly the ó flag |
| 14:27.03 | OluapPlayer | I always thought Valkistair was his first name |
| 14:28.25 | Cyrannian | Makes more sense as a surname, since he's referred to as President Valkistair and he's one of the only Trucinex with a single name |
| 14:32.33 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: I think is still my fav SF short https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcZI55ajCe0 |
| 14:32.39 | Wormy_ | *this is |
| 14:33.02 | Hachiman | That's CIA |
| 14:38.48 | Xho | Trying to figure out some policies for the Kicath |
| 14:38.51 | Xho | Not entirely sure |
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| 14:39.30 | dino82_ | hi |
| 14:39.46 | Cyrannian | Hai dino |
| 14:41.26 | dino82_ | :d |
| 14:42.20 | Xho | Neutralism is about the only policy I can think of |
| 14:42.38 | Xho | Or perhaps armed neutrality |
| 14:44.17 | Xho | Collective security is probable |
| 14:45.56 | NeonPanda | http://cheezburger.com/8982812928/good-work-sam |
| 15:01.46 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Kicathian_Republic Added more details on their current state in the infobox |
| 15:02.48 | dino82_ | Naice! |
| 15:07.55 | Cyrannian | Indeed, nice work so far |
| 15:09.59 | Xho | Ghelae OluapPlayer Technobliterator Cyrannian: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle%3ATartarus-class_Supercarrier delete pl0x |
| 15:10.31 | OluapPlayer | done |
| 15:10.54 | Xho | thanx |
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| 15:30.51 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Nexar%C3%B3n_Valkistair - Updated the introductory paragraph, take a look |
| 15:31.56 | Imperios | Cyrannian: Zare and Adele are back |
| 15:31.59 | Imperios | Yissss |
| 15:32.25 | dino82_ | Other possible modification for rebels: http://s198.photobucket.com/user/dghe/media/fushccopy.png.html , http://smg.photobucket.com/user/PhantomVX2/media/UIPShipcopy.png.html , http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/swfanon/images/6/68/Ironglory.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070509191736 |
| 15:32.28 | dino82_ | Oh going to read! |
| 15:33.03 | dino82_ | Oh nice intro! |
| 15:34.24 | Cyrannian | Imperios: For a long time now, aye, take a look at this: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannian_Cold_War/Tales_of_the_Cold_War#Tales_of_the_Cold_War:_Praesatorial_Election_in_Elen.27Nanethia |
| 15:34.52 | Imperios | >NONAMEÃ |
| 15:34.55 | Imperios | Best name |
| 15:35.12 | Cyrannian | hur |
| 15:38.39 | OluapPlayer | Xho: Me and hachi need you for Septimus' appearance in Doctrina |
| 15:38.45 | Xho | ooo |
| 15:38.46 | Xho | k |
| 16:26.26 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/9f/MorosSupercarrier.png/revision/latest?cb=20161127162545 Kicathian Supercarrier incoming |
| 16:33.27 | Xho | Named Moros after the Greek primordial deity of doom |
| 16:34.54 | dino82_ | oh nice ship |
| 17:23.00 | Imperios | Wormy_: http://www.teaizmailovo.ru/teaimages/postimg/images/0a30d6dd8ad4944dde17af32e7774cd7.jpg That's how Russians drink their tea |
| 17:23.32 | Wormy_ | Do you put jam in it? |
| 17:23.35 | Imperios | Yeah |
| 17:23.51 | Wormy_ | Okay, I find that a bit strange |
| 17:24.06 | Wormy_ | I don't like things bobbing in my tea |
| 17:24.46 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1480263045-20161127.png |
| 17:26.41 | Wormy_ | Imperios: This is our equivalent http://delimann.co.uk/i/products/305/1532.jpg |
| 17:26.46 | Wormy_ | a cream tea |
| 17:27.38 | Wormy_ | and lol |
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| 17:44.00 | Monet | hello |
| 17:46.31 | Imperios | hi mon |
| 17:46.59 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 17:55.41 | Xho | Monet: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/9f/MorosSupercarrier.png/revision/latest?cb=20161127162545 mwaha |
| 17:59.06 | Monet | Supercarrier or giant battleship? |
| 18:04.49 | Monet | Other than that I do like the venting |
| 18:07.00 | Xho | Supercarrier |
| 18:11.55 | Wormy_ | looks really kickass Kicath |
| 18:13.11 | Monet | Mostly curious is all |
| 18:13.41 | Monet | Outside the Board of Six, recent supercarrier designs have been given hundreds of guns. |
| 18:14.30 | Xho | "fuk da board" - general Kicathian sentiment |
| 18:15.10 | Wormy_ | The DCP hasn't really needed supercarriers as opposed to superdreadnoughts, however, recent weapons like the wormhole buster and hyperspace nullification means it is currently drafting a design |
| 18:15.52 | Wormy_ | But until/unless I reinstall Spore we won't be seeing any soon |
| 18:17.24 | Xho | Tempted to utilise the Shatterbomb on the Moros-class |
| 18:18.30 | Xho | might be overkill |
| 18:19.16 | Monet | It's not really a carrier if you fit a WMD launcher to it... |
| 18:19.26 | Xho | dreadnought however |
| 18:19.32 | Xho | hm |
| 18:19.33 | Monet | Dreadnought is fine |
| 18:20.03 | Monet | Honestly sometimes I wonder if these supercarriers with hundreds of guns are better off described a super-battleships or super-dreadnoughts. |
| 18:20.21 | Xho | Well by the Kicathian definiton the standard would be a dreadnought |
| 18:20.27 | Xho | you just get smaller or bigger variants |
| 18:22.46 | Xho | Unfortunately specifying any of the Kicath's technology on a comparative system just makes them sound a little over the top |
| 18:22.53 | Xho | i blame the hypercomputation |
| 18:23.09 | Imperios | Monet: I want to make a Divinarium supercarrier that can wormhole around |
| 18:23.29 | Wormy_ | Monet has a point though, Charles has a very strict definition for supercarriers to make them different |
| 18:23.52 | Wormy_ | What qualifies as one applies to all ships listed by its definition |
| 18:24.06 | Xho | Hm |
| 18:24.22 | Xho | Probably not a good idea to list the Kicath ship on the Supercarrier page |
| 18:24.50 | Wormy_ | Although I imagine a supercarrier still has the firepower to make worlds uninhabitable |
| 18:25.07 | Monet | Charles might have a stronger understanding. As his definition includes logistics support, not strictly aircraft support. I was thinking more general terms |
| 18:25.53 | Xho | Is the Terys cannon a Draconis design |
| 18:27.13 | Wormy_ | I imaginer them as a logistics support super freighter |
| 18:27.23 | Monet | Terys is a Draconis design |
| 18:27.37 | Xho | Right |
| 18:28.48 | Wormy_ | Supplying not just aircraft, but hospitals, food, repairs to entire fleets, and large armies to provide a distant base on the front. The DCP never really needed all this because of their hyperspatial technology, but times change |
| 18:28.54 | Wormy_ | As such they're not frontline ships but "beind the front line" ships |
| 18:28.54 | Monet | Though the Draconis consider Heavenfire ships a supercarrier-dreadnought |
| 18:29.05 | Wormy_ | Protected by dreadnoughts and such like |
| 18:29.31 | Xho | Well pretty much all of the hyperpowers are now hyperspatial |
| 18:29.59 | Monet | Wormy_: Yeah. Supercarriers are primarily behind-the-line command and logistics vessels. |
| 18:30.12 | Monet | They're mobile bases. |
| 18:30.28 | Xho | I'd imagine the Moros-class is more of a logistics vessel but then again the Kicath like their weapons of morally questionable genocide |
| 18:31.30 | Xho | I still never figured out how the Kicath managed to fit a hypercomputerised AI system on to their dreadnoughts |
| 18:31.31 | Monet | I recall discussing with Charles that the EAV Light of Avanti is something of a variant supercarrier. It has less guns and a smaller magazine for instance. |
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| 18:32.05 | Monet | a heavenfire variant, I mean |
| 18:34.10 | Monet | Maybe the Kicath do fit guns on. The primary issue with sticking guns on a logistics carrier is it makes the thing more dangerous, which makes it a priority target |
| 18:34.22 | Monet | Not something you want for something that damn big. |
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| 18:36.05 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 18:40.29 | Wormy__ | dag nammit damnit |
| 18:42.52 | Tek0516 | Monet: Angelfire, you mean? |
| 18:43.27 | Monet | Tek0516: Not in this case. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Heavenfire-class_Star_Fortress |
| 18:43.54 | Tek0516 | Had to check. :P |
| 18:43.57 | Hachiman | Imperios: What should I call the Black Orcs' civilisation? I imagined that it'd consist of multiple kingdoms or domains or whatnot, each governed and ruled by various clans, kind of like Feudal Japan except without the useless Emperor middle-man |
| 18:44.25 | Imperios | >useless Emperor middle-man |
| 18:44.28 | Imperios | Actually why not |
| 18:44.42 | Imperios | Holy Black Orc Empire plz |
| 18:44.49 | Hachiman | They're not unified hur |
| 18:45.12 | Monet | The HRE's unification was...ehhhh |
| 18:45.16 | dino82_ | :D |
| 18:46.22 | Hachiman | I was gonna call their civilisation something like 'the Dark Kingdoms' or something evil-like like that, even though they're more lawful neutral |
| 18:46.46 | Monet | The emperor had little power, and what consolidation there was came mainly from the elector counts who had so much land they ran their own mini-empires essentially. |
| 18:49.55 | Hachiman | I brought up Feudal Japan because it's one of those situations where the Emperor had little power and the lands were owned by separate warlords and clans - which is kind of what I was going for with the Black Orcs |
| 18:50.27 | Monet | That also works for the HRE I think. |
| 18:51.04 | Hachiman | HRE also works in this case, I suppose |
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| 18:51.44 | Monet | I'm not sure of Japan's system but the HRE, iirc, was an elective monarchy |
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| 18:52.21 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.30 | Wormy_ | *beugh Twitter |
| 18:52.45 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 18:53.56 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 18:54.10 | Monet | the prince-electors basically voted for themselves and their friends I think. |
| 18:54.36 | Hachiman | Eh, not what I had in mind |
| 18:54.39 | Monet | Hence why the house of Hapsburg came to dominate the empire after the 1400s. |
| 18:54.43 | Hachiman | True |
| 18:55.33 | Imperios | Hachiman: My idea is making them divided politically but still considering themselves to be a single nation |
| 18:55.39 | Imperios | Which works well with their idea of order |
| 18:55.48 | Hachiman | Yeah, that's what I also had in mind |
| 18:56.37 | Hachiman | The clans fight among themselves whatnot and do not have a single recognised ruler, but they recognise themselves as a collective of kingdoms / clans / whatever under a bigger banner |
| 18:57.34 | Monet | I can see why the HRE isn't the ideal then. |
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| 18:58.02 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 18:58.06 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 18:59.14 | Imperios | Maybe the shamans keep the clans together as a cohesive whole |
| 18:59.31 | Hachiman | >shamans |
| 18:59.59 | Hachiman | I imagined them being more like Tolkien orcs in that they're industrialists |
| 19:00.18 | Monet | that could still have shamans. |
| 19:00.52 | Monet | If they're industrialists imagine the potential of a being attuned to the world. |
| 19:01.49 | Imperios | Hachiman: Industrial countries can still have shamans |
| 19:01.52 | Imperios | Korea has shamans |
| 19:02.04 | Imperios | Some Russian regions do as well |
| 19:02.31 | Hachiman | They could still have some kind of 'Church of Order' which enforces constitutions and whatnot on clan leaders and such, but I wouldn't describe them as "shamans" personally because it makes them sound a bit... |
| 19:02.54 | Hachiman | Not 'primitive', but, well you get me |
| 19:02.54 | Monet | Primitive? |
| 19:02.54 | Imperios | That could be a contrast |
| 19:03.04 | Monet | Ninjad |
| 19:03.05 | Imperios | Surely they are advanced now but they were not always that way surely |
| 19:03.28 | Imperios | Maybe these retain the traditions of more primitive times |
| 19:03.36 | Monet | Considering the reality of magic in koldenwelt, why give it up? |
| 19:03.43 | Imperios | And try to integrate them into the new society |
| 19:04.04 | Hachiman | Sure, that could work |
| 19:04.24 | Imperios | And since they revere Alar |
| 19:04.36 | Hachiman | Old traditions in an industrialist nations - kind of like Zazane, now that I think about it |
| 19:04.41 | Hachiman | *nation |
| 19:04.55 | OluapPlayer | inb4 "hur i hate them now" |
| 19:04.56 | Imperios | Actually what if there are the priests of Alar, and the shamans of some other gods that are persecuted by the priesthood but coexist |
| 19:05.14 | Imperios | Kind of like they did in the Medieval Islamic world |
| 19:05.32 | Imperios | Hachiman: >old traditions in an industrialist nation http://img15.nnm.me/0/6/6/e/4/6643ea751cf280c37e5877c8aaa.jpg |
| 19:06.09 | Hachiman | >Medieval Islamic world |
| 19:06.14 | Hachiman | >Orcish Saladin |
| 19:07.21 | Wormy_ | Dubai http://i.imgur.com/cc6IsF3.jpg |
| 19:07.46 | Hachiman | So old faiths to Isiris could coexist with the much more popular cult / church sects dedicated to Alar'xashan |
| 19:07.46 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/rfMdWv8.jpg |
| 19:07.58 | DrodoEmpire | I don't see where you're getting the idea that shamans/paganism can't coexist with an industrialised society Hachi |
| 19:08.06 | DrodoEmpire | Or semiindustrialised |
| 19:08.34 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: http://img15.nnm.me/0/6/6/e/4/6643ea751cf280c37e5877c8aaa.jpg |
| 19:08.38 | DrodoEmpire | Just because that was *generally* not the case in the modern day doesn't say all that much-- there is, after all, Japan, Korea, and China |
| 19:08.49 | Hachiman | Yeah, Japan's what I initially had in mind for this |
| 19:08.51 | OluapPlayer | Eh? |
| 19:10.10 | Imperios | Nevermind |
| 19:10.15 | DrodoEmpire | Using the scifiverse the majority of Drodo are paganistic ancestor-worshippers-- many among them are downright superstitious-- yet also rule one of the larger empires around |
| 19:10.23 | DrodoEmpire | *and many among them |
| 19:10.32 | Hachiman | Anyway, we've detracted a long way from what I originally asked; what name could I give them hur |
| 19:10.48 | DrodoEmpire | Right hur |
| 19:11.59 | Hachiman | I want something that sounds a little ominous, malign, evil, etc to sort of relate to the fact that they're partially inspired by Tolkien orcs |
| 19:12.23 | Monet | Something harsh-sounding |
| 19:13.58 | Wormy_ | Terence Mckenna used to popularise an archaic revival of shamans |
| 19:14.11 | Imperios | Yakshemash |
| 19:14.40 | Hachiman | wat |
| 19:15.08 | Wormy_ | In as way modern psychotherapists fill some of the roles in getting people facing mental instability to adjust their lives, which is one thing new shamans are selected for |
| 19:16.19 | Imperios | If you want something Rl |
| 19:16.20 | Imperios | RL |
| 19:16.27 | Imperios | Let's try something with "Kara" |
| 19:16.34 | Imperios | Kara being "black" in most Turkic language |
| 19:16.38 | Imperios | Karaguz |
| 19:17.05 | Imperios | Karaju |
| 19:17.09 | Hachiman | Hm that kind of thing's not what I hand in mind |
| 19:17.16 | Imperios | Karakagyoz |
| 19:17.20 | Imperios | Karazhanym |
| 19:17.22 | Imperios | Karazhan |
| 19:17.52 | Imperios | Ashguluk? |
| 19:18.12 | Hachiman | I meant more like how Koldenwelt's governments and other nations and whatnot are called |
| 19:18.38 | Hachiman | Sovereignty of Dryada, Merovar Dynasty, Empire of Man, etc |
| 19:20.05 | Hachiman | Karazan would be a good name for the actual race though |
| 19:20.10 | Hachiman | Karazhan* |
| 19:21.11 | Imperios | Ah |
| 19:21.21 | Imperios | Ah that's what you mean |
| 19:22.03 | Imperios | Great State of the Orcs |
| 19:23.35 | Hachiman | Eh, Great State sounds alright |
| 19:23.37 | OluapPlayer | Karazhan is a WoW raid hur |
| 19:23.44 | Hachiman | fukn goddammit hur |
| 19:23.53 | Hachiman | I knew it sounded vaguely familiar |
| 19:31.55 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: It's apparently Kazakh for "Black Soul" |
| 19:32.57 | Imperios | And "Guldan" is Kazakh for "she who is wise with flowers" |
| 19:39.18 | OluapPlayer | i am gardening incarnate |
| 19:46.37 | Imperios | I find it weird that some Warcraft orc names are in Russian or in Russian languages |
| 19:46.51 | Imperios | "Grom" is "thunder" |
| 19:46.56 | Imperios | "Draka" is "brawl" |
| 19:47.08 | Imperios | And Thrall's son's name, "Durak", means "idiot" |
| 19:47.37 | Hachiman | hur |
| 19:51.05 | Tek0516 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Roreinian_Civil_War#Standoff New chapter. |
| 19:51.33 | Tek0516 | Feels good to finally get some fiction writing done. |
| 19:57.16 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 20:23.58 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Borealis_Galactic_War/Part_1#Consequences_to_the_Killer Zaarkhun gets sad |
| 20:25.18 | OluapPlayer | F5 tjat |
| 20:25.19 | OluapPlayer | that |
| 20:29.37 | Hachiman | Ooh nice |
| 20:29.56 | Hachiman | Good to see Zaarkhun acting vulnerable like that |
| 20:30.10 | Hachiman | This is a real big improvement over the last iteration of the SBGW |
| 20:30.20 | Xho | Angazhar - why cant we have servants like green bird |
| 20:31.01 | Xho | I did make a UDB post a minute ago but I won't draw away the attention |
| 20:33.32 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Falrik Zaarkhun - Go to Hell. Shu - funny story |
| 20:33.43 | OluapPlayer | Shu - we happen to live there so yes |
| 20:36.36 | Xho | OluapPlayer: "dunno wat ya on bout m8. da oonivers is TOTALLY safe alredi" Angazhar - even funnier story |
| 20:46.31 | Xho | Monet CharlesBot: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board You guys will want to see this |
| 20:46.34 | Xho | Well everyone actually |
| 20:48.07 | Xho | I like the fictions where demonic gods toil with mortals |
| 20:48.10 | Xho | dat powerlessness |
| 20:49.33 | OluapPlayer | course you do u xhodocto dum |
| 20:50.47 | Xho | tis wat i liv 4 |
| 20:51.50 | Hachiman | I misread that post as "Policy Shit" |
| 20:52.15 | Xho | Kitravasuron - uncle kit gonna lay down the shit, bitch |
| 20:52.29 | Hachiman | hur |
| 20:53.45 | Monet | Falrik Zaarkhun - Go to Hell. | Shu-wok - That's exactly where I am going dum-dum |
| 20:59.46 | DrodoEmpire | Agh |
| 20:59.47 | DrodoEmpire | Fuck me |
| 20:59.57 | DrodoEmpire | Finally got the coding done on a mod <.< |
| 21:00.03 | DrodoEmpire | Or rather, my mod to a mod |
| 22:00.07 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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| 22:18.47 | Xho | I was expecting some response for this UDB post |
| 22:21.06 | Ghelae | I might have thought of something to say by tomorrow morning. |
| 22:31.28 | Monet | Xho@ I've been thinking |
| 22:31.42 | Monet | of a response |
| 22:35.08 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 22:35.13 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry Xho >.< I've been busy |
| 22:35.25 | Xho | TERRIBLE EXCUSES ALL OF YOU |
| 22:35.26 | Xho | rite |
| 22:57.03 | DrodoEmpire | >: |
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| 23:22.27 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 23:34.55 | Charles_Bot | Xho: ohhh |
| 23:35.06 | Charles_Bot | I was on the plane so I didn't see it |
| 23:35.06 | Xho | OH NOW YOU WAKE UP JESUS |
| 23:35.11 | Xho | Plane to where? |
| 23:35.21 | Charles_Bot | New York, flying back |
| 23:35.32 | Xho | You do a lot of flying |
| 23:36.22 | Charles_Bot | Comes with the territory of being French, having been born in France, living in California, and studying in New York |
| 23:37.02 | Xho | The expenses of that boggle the mind |
| 23:37.28 | Charles_Bot | Tell me about it |
| 23:37.52 | Xho | How do you eat |
| 23:38.04 | Hachiman | With his mouth obviously |
| 23:38.09 | Charles_Bot | ^ |
| 23:38.15 | OluapPlayer | dingus/10 |
| 23:38.25 | Xho | 10/10 i communicate with intellectuals |
| 23:38.31 | Xho | remind me to bleach my throat |
| 23:39.10 | Charles_Bot | Was that a jab at intellectuals or at those two :o |
| 23:39.26 | Xho | Hachi mostly |
| 23:39.28 | Xho | great dingus wit |
| 23:39.33 | Hachiman | <3 |
| 23:39.41 | Monet | Great wit indeed |
| 23:41.24 | Charles_Bot | Xho: Depending on how the Kicath use their power, this could complicate things in the 1st gig |
| 23:43.04 | Monet | Right now the Board of Six are doing their best to show the Xonexi powers aren't selfish imperialist, if I understand |
| 23:43.29 | Xho | Well that's Xonexi's view |
| 23:43.41 | Xho | The Kicath don't consider themselves a part of the Xonexi machine |
| 23:43.53 | Xho | As much as the rest do anyway |
| 23:44.10 | Charles_Bot | Machine? |
| 23:44.26 | Xho | That's probably me talking in a Kicathian context |
| 23:44.42 | Xho | They don't consider themselves a part of Xonexi's infrastructure |
| 23:44.48 | Xho | As much as the rest do |
| 23:44.50 | Monet | Yeah that...might not convince the Mirusians |
| 23:45.04 | Charles_Bot | It has tho |
| 23:45.21 | Xho | If Mirus reacts violently to the Kicath's military advancement, well |
| 23:45.36 | Xho | The Kicath aren't merciful |
| 23:46.38 | Xho | It would take a lot of convincing from Xonexi to make sure the Kicath don't go out of their way to pacify Mirus |
| 23:46.42 | Charles_Bot | Xho: That makes sense. Xonexi's current theory/approach to intergalactic security is one of collective security, were you there when Hachi and I were talking about the concept? |
| 23:46.50 | Xho | Possibly |
| 23:47.12 | Charles_Bot | France - But we've done that already, it's pretty peaceful. |
| 23:47.33 | Xho | The Kicath are all about collective security but unfortunately they have a track record of eliminating those that don't agree with them |
| 23:47.56 | NeonPanda | Fordanta - See, these guys get us |
| 23:48.55 | Charles_Bot | Xho: Quick refresher, basically it's where all states agree to defend an established order and each other, so that no single state can attack another because it would have to overcome all of the other states in the system |
| 23:49.18 | Xho | Makes sense |
| 23:49.31 | Xho | Since they're not well received in Mirus, I can imagine Xonexi doing their best to try and reason with both Mirus and the Kicath to make sure nothing psychotic on the Kicath's part happens |
| 23:49.42 | Charles_Bot | ^ |
| 23:49.58 | Xho | Otherwise the Kicath will singlehandedly ruin the Gigaquadrant |
| 23:50.41 | Charles_Bot | Which is the only stated purpose of the Xonexi board of Seven, to bring together the major powers of Xonexi in an infrastructure/process which will allow them to discuss and address system-wide problems |
| 23:50.53 | Xho | And that will probably end up in Xonexi trying to dissolve the Kicath's political structure into some larger administration |
| 23:51.16 | Monet | Part of being part of an international organisation is cooperation. |
| 23:51.25 | Xho | Indeed |
| 23:51.45 | Monet | Kicath are going to strain nerves by saying "We'll take part" then out of nowhere running a ocunter-productive agenda |
| 23:52.24 | Charles_Bot | The Kicath are a sovereign state, though, protected from external tampering by the very rules of the system? |
| 23:52.27 | Xho | I don't know as to whether the Kicath would ever think of trying to join the Board, unless they fully committed their efforts to normality |
| 23:52.58 | Xho | Pretty much |
| 23:53.18 | Xho | It has been the Republic's intention to join alliances in order to neutralise their sentiments of violence |
| 23:53.38 | Xho | It's going well since no one has actually been aggressive towards them |
| 23:53.52 | Xho | Except for Mirus |
| 23:54.07 | Charles_Bot | What's happened in Mirus? |
| 23:54.28 | Xho | Well the Kicath are present there, and because of Xonexi imperialist sentiments in Mirus they're not liked all that much |
| 23:54.40 | Xho | The Mendel Pact and the Kicath have sour relations |
| 23:54.47 | Charles_Bot | The situation has evolved quite a bit, actually |
| 23:55.06 | Charles_Bot | The anti-Xonexi sentiment is slowly going away, and relations are normalizing |
| 23:55.26 | Charles_Bot | France has even begun creating successful alliances with states that previously opposed it |
| 23:56.59 | Charles_Bot | And careful, Mirus is also run by a system of collective security to which France and the Alcanti Triad as a whole are bound; If any single Mirusian state is attacked by a state looking to change the territorial order, all Covenant of Mirus states will be pulled in |
| 23:57.46 | Monet | If the Kicath do something rash they *might* find themselves under a bus. |
| 23:57.49 | Xho | Kicath - mass genocide undesirable logistics here |
| 23:58.29 | Charles_Bot | France - See? Deterrence works |
