IRC log for #sporewiki on 20161122

00:01.08DrodoEmpireNah its a good system
00:01.14tcmi have a page that goes "there's a whole lot of other complicated administration that goes down on the planetary level but that's not really important"
00:01.47tcmyou can just handwave it
00:01.50DrodoEmpireI suppose there might be some stuff or complications when it comes to the cities but I'm not sure how that worked either to be honest
00:02.00DrodoEmpireWell, no, its better to be as detailed as possible
00:02.15DrodoEmpireLiterally saying "meh" on the page is awful form >.<
00:02.21DrodoEmpireYou can sideline it a little sure
00:02.53MonetIt can sounds like the author is being lazy or dismissive.
00:02.53DrodoEmpireWhich might be best in this case, unless I come up with some bright idea about taxing a medieval city :p
00:03.04DrodoEmpireOr hachi does, or whoever
00:05.03Wormy_Games as Japanese Ukiyo-e http://imgur.com/gallery/GTAOE
00:05.24HachimanOh sweet
00:05.51HachimanSamus looks particularly awesome
00:06.24HachimanFucking Kirby looks horrifying though
00:06.44MonetMario Kart looks hilarious
00:06.52DrodoEmpire^
00:06.57DrodoEmpireYeah that's all pretty cool
00:07.40MonetTHat Koopa *really* wants to win
00:13.20tcmany way to adjust margins within a tabber
00:13.51DrodoEmpireNot sure
00:13.57DrodoEmpireTechnobliterator ?
00:14.45TechnobliteratorYes, but you really shouldn't be using tabbers
00:15.14DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Kingdom_of_Barangin#Military - A few final things
00:15.16TechnobliteratorThey should be avoided since they're not great design
00:15.27TechnobliteratorBut to do it, wrap them in a div
00:15.34DrodoEmpireFinished off the Lial and gave a short blurb for the allied armies
00:17.06tcmi'm trying to make something look like an informational pamphlet
00:17.18tcmis there a better way to do it other than a tabber
00:18.45TechnobliteratorQuite possibly
00:19.03TechnobliteratorAnything you can do with HTML and CSS, you can do on wikitext
00:19.19TechnobliteratorIf you want to design pages, you should probably study up on those
00:20.06Wormy_I use a moe advanced kind of tabber on this page http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ADelpha_Coalition_of_Planets/Technology
00:20.41tcmoh, this looks useful
00:21.00Technobliteratortabview is probably better than tabber
00:21.08Wormy_<div id="content_database"> <tabview>  </tabview> </div>
00:21.13TechnobliteratorLess JS reliant
00:21.25Wormy_Like Jo says you can probably add more design in to the div
00:21.45Wormy_Also too many tabbers look awful
00:21.49DrodoEmpire^
00:22.01DrodoEmpire"Playing the entire Bee Movie script on Audiosurf"
00:22.03DrodoEmpirewhy
00:23.53Wormy_Maybe try W3Schools to get the conceptual model, then look at Wikipedia's pages (Wikipedia explains things much better and at greater length than Wikia do)
00:24.06Wormy_Wikipedia's pages on wiki markup
00:25.09TechnobliteratorW3schools is a lot better than it used to be
00:26.46DrodoEmpireThoughts on the Barangin page?
00:28.04tcmi'd say it needs more pictures, but i say that about everything
00:28.33DrodoEmpireYeah, common issue with my fictions
00:28.43tcmmaybe some examples of what the allied forces can bring to bear?
00:28.50DrodoEmpireEhh, perhaps
00:29.26DrodoEmpireI considered adding a blurb which basically said that their rosters, while diverse, basically mirror what the Lial regiments bring
00:30.01DrodoEmpireThat is, lots of arquebusiers, halberdiers, crossbowmen, and other, usually levied, soldiers
00:34.19Wormy_bye]
00:40.33DrodoEmpiretest
00:48.40HachimanHm I need some name for the dwarven equivalent of the Inquisition
00:49.37DrodoEmpireHmm
00:50.08tcmtruth-sounders
00:50.36HachimanOoh I kinda like that
00:50.44HachimanTruthsounder Guild / Guild of Truthsounders?
00:51.11HachimanOr some other word to replace 'guild'
00:59.12DrodoEmpireOh that Motive page is looking really nice tcm
01:03.59DrodoEmpireSeems like a collectivist society obsessed with efficiency and, well, Progress
01:04.32DrodoEmpireThe fact it seems devoid of culture and tradition would be abhorrent to the average Drodo I figure
01:20.15HachimanDrodoEmpire: Nice work on your Barangin page thus far
01:20.22DrodoEmpireThanks
01:20.27DrodoEmpireI'll do culture ext
01:20.29DrodoEmpire*next
01:20.43HachimanGonna be honest, didn't expect the Barangin to be so large and influential at first
01:21.09HachimanThem and their Lial and allied armies
01:21.30DrodoEmpireThey basically represent the Swedish Empire at its height
01:21.48DrodoEmpireA big, recent, northern superpower of questionable sustainability
01:22.38DrodoEmpireSo, yeah, large and influential but for how long?
01:38.22HachimanDrodoEmpire: What would be a more appropriate replacement for "disliked" for a nation? Like, a state that isn't immediately at war with the nation, but still in opposition or contension
01:38.35Hachiman"Dislike" as a term sounds more appropriate for a character
01:38.39DrodoEmpireHmm
01:38.47DrodoEmpireI'd say rivalry, perhaps
01:38.51HachimanRight
01:40.46Charles_Murraytest
01:43.55DrodoEmpiretset
02:36.14DrodoEmpiretest
02:51.42Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Khargrim_Greatholds Well, I've got something of an incomplete skeleton down; I'll have to ask Imp and such about imagery and quotes and whatnot tomorrow or something
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02:55.05MrRankings11Hi
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03:23.16tcmhi
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09:23.50NeonPandahi all
09:27.16GhelaeHi
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09:56.39NeonPanda_huh, I thought I shut down my other pc
09:58.41NeonPanda_alrighty the imposter should disappear before long
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10:27.24HachimanHi
10:29.15GhelaeHi
10:36.22OneTruePandahi u
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10:38.07ImpyDroidHiya
10:40.30GhelaeHi
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13:59.54HachimanImpyDroid: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Khargrim_Greatholds I've started a thing
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14:21.10HachimanHi
14:22.00Monethi
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14:30.07HachimanMonet Imperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Khargrim_Greatholds I've started a thing
14:40.16ImperiosHachiman: *Dorf intensifies*
14:40.49HachimanI was wondering if you could make graphic stuff for them at some point Imp
14:41.11HachimanLike, flag and coat once I fill more info in and stuff; just 'basic' stuff I suppose for you :p
14:41.27Hachimanbrb
14:52.49ImperiosI think we even discussed it
14:53.43Imperioshttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a7/NotJediEmblem.png/revision/latest?cb=20161122145308 OluapPlayer: Can you link that to Cyr once he comes in?
14:53.57OluapPlayerRight
14:59.48HachimanImperios: Discussed it?
15:00.07ImperiosYeah I remember asking what kind of shield world work for Khargrim arms
15:00.13ImperiosAnd what kind of symbolism could it have
15:02.05HachimanAh right yes
15:02.16HachimanHm I'm still not sure hur
15:02.31HachimanWhat kind of shield do you feel would suit the Khargrim?
15:02.49ImperiosWell what kind of shields do dwarves use?
15:03.06HachimanWhat kind of shield do you think Khargrim would use?
15:04.00ImperiosI dunno lol
15:04.13ImperiosYou're more of a weapon specialist I think
15:04.32HachimanA weapon specialist yes
15:04.36HachimanA shield specialist, no :p
15:05.35ImperiosMY FACE IS MY SHIELD
15:05.47ImperiosHell that is a good idea, some kind of face on the escutcheon
15:05.47HachimanThey probably use round shields
15:05.51HachimanAye
15:06.15HachimanLike WHFB dwarves; they have dwarf faces on their shield hur
15:07.40HachimanAlso, what would "Honoured Greatholds of the Undivided Southern Dwarfclans" be in Old Tongue?
15:08.03ImperiosOoooh
15:09.22ImperiosHonorata Magna Castra something something
15:09.39ImperiosI am actually going to try to translate that without dictionaries, gotta practice my latin
15:09.54HachimanNice
15:12.22ImperiosCastra honorata magnaque tribuum nanorum indivisorum australiumque
15:12.31HachimanJesus
15:12.45HachimanAnd what part of that is 'dwarf' hur
15:13.02Imperiosnanorum
15:13.04Imperioshttps://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanus_(mythologia) apparently
15:13.24HachimanHuh
15:13.36ImperiosActually "que" can be omitted
15:13.37ImperiosCastra honorata magna tribuum Nanorum indivisorum australium
15:14.38HachimanAlright, thanks
15:14.56HachimanAlso if you're gonna make a coat / flag, it could also contain maybe an axe / axes alongside a shield?
15:15.03ImperiosHm
15:15.53Imperioshttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Bras%C3%A3o_CBMDF.svg Like here for example?
15:16.18HachimanYeah
15:16.54Hachimanbrb
15:16.58Imperios|Actually about the shield one could use something unique but there are also several traditional shield types in heraldry
15:17.11ImperiosHachiman: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Formes_des_Blasons_Ecus_Coats_of_Arms.svg
15:25.05HachimanHm
15:25.21Hachiman10 seems most befitting
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15:26.13The_RandomnessHello
15:26.17HachimanHi Randum
15:26.27Hachimangimme ur character backstory now pls
15:26.33HachimanOh and a link to your sheet
15:27.33The_RandomnessI'll get that to you as soon as I can, just need to deal with the last of this work for my classes today and tomorrow
15:28.11The_RandomnessI'm sorry to have kept you waiting for this long, but I probably couldn't have done much about it
15:28.26HachimanAll good
15:30.34The_RandomnessFortunately it shouldn't take me very long to finish my character sheet, just need to write up my backstory, put equipment on there, and fix a few things
15:31.50ImperiosHachiman: That's the Polish shield
15:31.52ImperiosDorfs STRONK
15:31.56Hachimanhur
15:32.23HachimanI mean, dwarves love hoarding gold and screwing people over to get rich, so
15:32.44ImperiosLe happy dwarf?
15:33.15Hachimanayy
15:54.30OluapPlayerMonet: I made some more stuff to my garrison, I like it how your favorite mounts show up in the stables
15:54.50OluapPlayerAnd your pets in their own little corner
15:55.58MonetThat's pretty cool
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16:23.00tcmhi
16:32.23HachimanFor fuck's sake
16:32.33HachimanI tripped over my headset wire and tore the fucking thing apart
16:32.58HachimanNow I need to fork out money for a new one and I can't watch or listen to anything because my fucking stereo doesn't work for some reason
16:33.49The_Randomnessrip
16:35.25tcmrip
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17:36.43dino82_hi
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17:38.13TreebeardHello
17:54.48tcmhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:The_Collective_Mind/Motive is this worth expanding on
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17:59.21HachimanWell, can't get stereo to work rip
17:59.58HachimanXho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Khargrim_Greatholds dorf stoof
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18:04.41tcmhi
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18:10.17WormydroidHi
18:10.42tcmhi
18:11.06GhelaeHi
18:11.41Ghelaetcm: It looks pretty complete to me. Not that I'm an expert on first-contact propaganda pamphlets.
18:12.23WormydroidYeah right
18:14.06WormydroidThats one of a evil cheese making AI's many specialities
18:14.13WormydroidAn
18:15.36Ghelae"And that is Progress means" seems to be missing a word after "is".
18:16.29WormydroidMy chocolate calendar has been confirmed.  Never too old for chcolate calendar
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18:18.31tcmah, missed that
18:33.38XhoHachiman: derfs
18:42.24WormydroidI had a nose bleed earlier and traces of blood is all I can smell, ugh
18:42.44WormydroidSickening
18:44.35HachimanI'm not too averse to the taste or smell of blood
18:44.46HachimanMy own, that is
18:45.29WormydroidWell, its ALL I can smell, mixed with mucus
18:45.45HachimanOkay that's bad
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18:46.10WormydroidI also coughed up a little blood
18:46.50WormydroidHad a night of terrible coughs and sneezing however so I think its damage from that
18:48.26ImperiosCyrannian|Busy: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a7/NotJediEmblem.png/revision/latest?cb=20161122145308
18:50.16WormydroidI also had a dream of being followed into my bedroom, and upon waking a voice said out loud "You alright Pal?" to which I replied "Ey up"
18:50.34Hachimanolol
18:50.56WormydroidSo I might be in a bad way :/
18:51.22XhoGo to the damn doctors
18:52.08ImperiosWormydroid: Take a look, does that look Jedi-ish?
18:52.33WormydroidIt'd take a lot to send me there
18:52.59WormydroidYes, I say it does
18:56.02Cyrannian|BusyAwesome work Imperios, I really like it
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18:59.27Wormydroid_Hachiman, Cyrannian|Busy thought this was funny https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/38067552?client=ms-android-sonymobile
19:00.39Wormydroid_The Antiguan PM tried to get him to dance with a woman
19:01.40Wormydroid_And told him What happens in Barbuda stays in Barbuda before dancing himself
19:02.32Cyrannian|BusyHarry should have unhinged his jaw and swallowed him whole
19:02.45Wormydroid_Lol
19:03.06ImperiosWormydroid: I actually took the swirly bits below the star from the symbol of the capital of Kazakhstan
19:04.12Wormydroid_Kazakhooine
19:04.54ImperiosIs good
19:30.23Cyrannian|BusyOluapPlayer_: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Thanta - They dvottied before the dvottie
19:30.50OluapPlayer_There they are
19:30.54OluapPlayer_I thought you had deleted that page
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19:31.59Tek0516Shit. My cool Game of Thrones poster fell pff the wall and ripped.
19:32.14Cyrannian|BusyWe were discussing the early years of the fiction and our earliest contributions and I discovered it. Ghelae pointed these guys out: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Fowlmimus_insolitus
19:33.00WormydroidMine were hardly contributions
19:33.09OluapPlayer_That model looks rather recent
19:33.42Cyrannian|Busyhur that's a reuploaded version of this: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/0e/Fowlmimus.png/revision/20111005184623
19:34.41OluapPlayer_Still you updated them recently
19:35.01Cyrannian|Busy2011
19:35.42OluapPlayer_dat not recent
19:36.58Cyrannian|BusyYour earliest contributions are pretty decent in comparison
19:41.24Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Raveeah My first creature apparently
19:41.30ImperiosBarring the Illidans
19:44.16OluapPlayer_It's a chibi Tertamian
19:45.21OluapPlayer_they were not prepared for the future ahead of them
19:45.23ImperiosIt's supposed to be the Tertamian equivalent of a monkey
19:46.34ImperiosI just realised
19:47.09ImperiosSince they are descended from horse-like animals and likely lived in grassland areas
19:47.17ImperiosTertamians/Tertanai ought to have excellent eyesight
19:49.20HachimanSo
19:49.32HachimanMongolian-esque Tertamian / Tertanai archers?
19:49.49ImperiosCan be
19:50.06ImperiosI imagine they had a lot of archers
19:51.35Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Xhodocto?oldid=153823 awww shit nigga
19:52.53Imperios>The Xhodocto have been said to have an empire of some 10,000 Solar Systems.
19:52.58ImperiosKek
19:53.37XhoHeck in those days that was huge
19:53.57Cyrannian|BusyAye, I remember when I was proud of having 75 or something like that
19:55.19Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Illidan I still need to find a way to use these black and green Illidans
19:56.08Imperios> They ordered Tertamians to pay inadequate sums of tribute.
19:56.15Imperios>inadequate sums of tribute
19:56.19Imperios>inadequate
19:56.32OluapPlayer_I don't know what to contribute to the old time discussion that I've not already mentioned before
19:56.44XhoOluapPlayer: Like you're father time kek
19:56.54OluapPlayer_???
19:57.07Cyrannian|Busyhttp://maxis.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:99cmoney/The_%22Incident%22_on_SporeWiki - Ngh, take a look at all the cringe from our 2010-selves
19:57.07ImperiosFather Time, like Mother Nature, but for time
19:57.47OluapPlayer_99 dosh
19:57.53ImperiosCyrannian|Busy: Why does the old you sound like you're French
19:58.05OluapPlayer_And yes that is quite cringy
19:58.09Imperios"Also, I am not following this blog anymore. So consider the argument over. Adieu".
19:58.30Cyrannian|BusyI was a lil bitch
19:58.32XhoHeck I haven't changed much in 6 years
19:58.35XhoI just got smarter
19:58.37OluapPlayer_u still r u kno
19:58.56ImperiosOld Xho was Angazhar
19:59.01ImperiosNew Xho is Draguros
19:59.25XhoNext Xho is
19:59.26Xhohm
19:59.28XhoSantorakh I guess
19:59.30OluapPlayer_ded
19:59.33XhoOr ded
19:59.46XhoDepends how active I'll be through uni
20:00.00Cyrannian|BusyI don't even remember what that user did
20:00.22XhoI vaguely remember the name
20:00.37ImperiosI like the point in my life when I learned to form coherent sentences in English but had not yet mastered style or acquired an adequate vocabulary for writing
20:00.40WormydroidI remember how you scared 99c ofg by saying you would call the Internet police
20:00.47ImperiosThis Illidan page seems to be from this period
20:00.49Imperios"millions were killed just for being friends of the Grox"
20:01.37OluapPlayer_Back when fiction was actually Spore-inspired
20:01.41ImperiosThe actual story was very dramatic but how I fucking worded it
20:01.43WormydroidI don't remember what he did either, except that he made sockpuppets includibg one named after me
20:01.44Imperios>for being friends of the Grox
20:02.20OluapPlayer_Game-wise that's more or less the standard
20:02.27WormydroidThats still how the Hogomoth dief
20:02.34ImperiosYeah but "friends", not "allies" or something
20:02.37ImperiosFriends
20:02.53Imperios"You fucking played hopscotch together, you deserve to die"
20:02.58OluapPlayer_Grox - :3         Illidan - <3            Everyone else - </3
20:03.31ImperiosIllidan - BETRAYER     IN TRUTH IT WAS US WHO WERE BETRAYED
20:03.36WormydroidThe DCP didn't take being friends with the Gric lightly
20:03.37HachimanIllidan should use Grox technology to fight the Grox
20:03.44WormydroidGrox
20:03.52Xhoah yes the gric
20:04.00XhoI still don't like the Grox
20:04.06OluapPlayer_2bad
20:04.23WormydroidGrox don't like you
20:04.28Xhogrox are ded
20:04.36OluapPlayer_i like muh grox
20:04.38WormydroidBut thats not saying much
20:04.43XhoAll of a sudden Krath revives the Grox because why they fuck not
20:04.45Cyrannian|BusyI like the Grox so much I made my own Grox except it turned out they weren't actually Grox
20:04.48Xhothe
20:05.06OluapPlayer_Grox aren't dead, they're just pacified
20:05.18ImperiosMy Grox turned out to be the ONLY Grox who were actually loyal
20:05.27WormydroidI might bring back a Borg Grox hybrid, the Grob
20:05.33ImperiosMeanwhile every other Grox empire in the Gig  turned traitor
20:05.39OluapPlayer_I can't think of anyone to use for a Skull of Gul'dan joke
20:05.43OluapPlayer_ashamed of meself
20:06.00ImperiosSkull of the Grox?
20:06.12HachimanThat reminds me, I thought about a Gul'dan-like character once for the Fantasyverse
20:06.16OluapPlayer_In the Borealis Grox's defense, they didn't do it out of their own volition
20:06.26XhoHow about we have SantoGrox and have half-cheese half-imp abominations
20:06.36OluapPlayer_How bout u eet sand
20:06.37HachimanI think I remember telling you Oluap; a younger half-orc mage who served as one of Tibias' right hands
20:07.05HachimanOr was it full orc
20:07.08HachimanMight have been full orc
20:07.12OluapPlayer_Full
20:07.37ImperiosAnd speaking of Gul'dan
20:07.38OluapPlayer_One of the orc kids kidnapped by him during Goldhawks, grown up
20:07.47ImperiosTurns out it is a Tatar/Russian name
20:07.50HachimanI say Gul'dan-like, my knowledge of Gul'dan is kinda sparing
20:08.12HachimanAt least, Gul'dan post-WC3
20:08.22ImperiosTatar/Kazakh even
20:08.27XhoU FACE TIBIAS                                 BONY LORD OF THE BONY LEGION
20:08.31Imperioshttps://vk.com/guldanalyk Behold
20:08.39OluapPlayer_To put it short, a Gul'dan like character wouldn't serve the herald of a demon god. He'd be the herald himseçf
20:08.56OluapPlayer_himself*
20:08.59HachimanRight makes sense
20:09.09ImperiosThere are several characterisations of Gul'dan
20:09.10HachimanImperios: Her name has 'anal' in it
20:09.22ImperiosGul'dana Analyk
20:09.26ImperiosAnal [Gul'dan]
20:09.28HachimanGold Anal
20:09.29*** join/#sporewiki dino82_ (d42988b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.41.136.178)
20:09.33OluapPlayer_Gul'dan's biggest trait is being obnoxiously power-hungry
20:09.36dino82_hi
20:09.40ImperiosOh wait no
20:09.46ImperiosShe is "Guldana Ahmet"
20:10.12ImperiosGul'dan the Dead Warlock
20:10.26Cyrannian|BusyHai Dino
20:10.28Imperioshttps://vk.com/id182616977 More Gul'dans
20:10.46dino82_Hi!
20:10.53OluapPlayer_Imperios: I finished the Spires of Arak yesterday
20:10.55HachimanImperios: Is Zhen really ova?
20:10.56dino82_Gul'Dan is a powerful one
20:11.10OluapPlayer_It was a nice area, mostly because it was arakkoa-centered
20:11.16ImperiosHachiman: It is ova
20:11.16OluapPlayer_And I like them
20:11.35Hachimanbirb braisn
20:11.36Imperioshttps://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.voppsy.ru%2Fauthors%2FGUL6DAVV.htm&edit-text=&act=url&authuser=0 There's also this article, pity there isn't more info about this guy
20:11.36Hachimanbrains
20:11.48OluapPlayer_Very sad birb brains
20:11.51Imperios"Gul'dan V.V., Doctor of Psychology, head of the department of social and psychological problems of addiction"
20:11.55OluapPlayer_Playable arakkoa when
20:11.56Imperios>Gul'dan
20:12.01Imperios>problems of addiction
20:12.09OluapPlayer_This is your brain on fel magic
20:12.28HachimanAren't Arakkoa evil deformed mages?
20:12.44OluapPlayer_Deformed yes. Evil, just some of them
20:12.56ImperiosHachiman: There are deformed and undeformed birbs
20:13.00ImperiosDeformed are mostly evil
20:13.04Imperiosactually wait no
20:13.10ImperiosDeformed are 50/50 good and evil
20:13.15ImperiosUndeformed are mostly evil
20:13.20OluapPlayer_Yeah
20:13.28ImperiosDeformation is a form of punishment in their society
20:13.45OluapPlayer_They were deformed when one of their gods killed the other, and the "pure" ones decided to shun them away instead of being of any help
20:14.07Xhorekt
20:14.29OluapPlayer_So we beat the beak out of the pure arakkoa during the Spires of Arak storyline
20:14.31OluapPlayer_they had it coming
20:14.50ImperiosOluapPlayer_: There's actually a short story about the arakkoa that shows Skyreach's society more. It turns out they are not told the full truth about the curse, and are taught that the deformations in arakkoa are caused by heretical thoughts
20:15.01OluapPlayer_Hm
20:15.09OluapPlayer_It'd be useful to have that info in-game
20:15.17ImperiosThey're all "burn the heretics" too
20:15.21ImperiosImperium of Birb
20:15.30OluapPlayer_Also, those bits when you get to play as Terokk
20:16.00OluapPlayer_I was really disappointed that you lose to Kargath
20:16.01ImperiosThere are several short stories about minor WoD races
20:16.54Imperioshttp://eu.battle.net/wow/ru/game/lore/savage-world/apocrypha/page-1 there we go
20:17.18Imperioshttp://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/lore/savage-world/apocrypha/page-1 Oh wait no this one
20:17.23OluapPlayer_i cant reed vodka tongue
20:17.24Cyrannian|Busyhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ald%C3%A1rae_Order - Does anyone want to create a character for this?
20:17.36OluapPlayer_Oh that's long
20:17.37MonetI think it demonstrates how deadly a warrior Kargeth Bladefist is.
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20:18.16OluapPlayer_I've killed him at least 10 times at Outland already, I'd have used the opportunity to show off Terokk being a badass
20:18.28OluapPlayer_get your filthy orcs off my spires
20:18.33Imperios"The elders had taught him that the curse was the result of falling from Rukhmar's grace—the result of disobedience, among other things. It was something brought about by one's own weakness, not by an outside force."
20:19.23OluapPlayer_Well that ain't good
20:19.41OluapPlayer_I still would play the deformed arakkoa given the chance
20:19.57MonetI would have thought carving though legions of Saberon, killing one of their chieftains and being one of the few to withstand the curse is badass enough.
20:20.34OluapPlayer_He didn't withstand the curse, he got deformed like all the others
20:20.45OluapPlayer_He was just the first to get up
20:21.06Imperios" They were trained to watch for symptoms of the curse: lethargy, tardiness, questioning the orders of elders. Those were the first warning signs that the affliction was present, ideas ingrained in all arakkoa from the moment they hatched."
20:21.43ImperiosThey equated disobedience with sin essentially
20:21.50MonetBeing one of the first to get up still takes a lot of will.
20:21.53OluapPlayer_Killing one of the orc warlords would've solidified arakkoa dominance over the region
20:22.17OluapPlayer_And considering how little I care for the Iron Horde, I'd have much preferred that
20:22.26ImperiosThe Iron Horde sucks yeah
20:22.26dino82_@Cyrannian: I have JAnice Ross for the Order!
20:22.45ImperiosI'd say as a force it is boring but it is visually impressing
20:22.51ImperiosAll the metal and industry
20:22.53dino82_@/oluap: Yrel is a cool character if the Horde Storyline
20:23.01OluapPlayer_It may look pretty but they're essentially filler
20:23.14ImperiosAlso, I believe they were the only main WoW antagonist to be morally grey
20:23.46ImperiosThey were provided with heroic backstories in Lords of War, and a somewhat sympathetic background
20:23.55Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/CdFPl
20:23.58Wormy_This game
20:24.02Imperios"Everyone tried to enslave them so they began enslaving people back"
20:24.11Wormy_Getting B1 and ED for Xmas  me thinks
20:24.17ImperiosBTW did you watch the Lords of War
20:24.27OluapPlayer_I don't know what that is
20:24.36OluapPlayer_My knowledge of them is restricted to the game where they're 100% black
20:24.53ImperiosBasically every expansion since Pandaria has a small animation series associated with it
20:25.15Imperioshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeGnYJJxeYI MoP had this
20:25.21OluapPlayer_Even if they're not, they're still ultimately filler, their participation in the overall negative is negligible and the true threat in WoD is Gul'dan, not them
20:25.50Imperioshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG3RVCEwCPg&list=PLY0KbDiiFYeP8hkPrVS3y0Ua45EJlWRBw That's Lord of War
20:26.24Imperioshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCI838NQOvY That's for Legion
20:27.18MonetI think their motive sort of worked. Back in the original timeline Gul'dan build up the SHadow Council discreetly.
20:28.05MonetThe Iron Horde were the very distraction Gul'dan needed to solidify his control over the Orcs after the fist rejection of the blood of Mannaroth.
20:29.47ImperiosSo with the Iron Horde already loose he had no need to hide his motives
20:30.21ImperiosThat explains why he eventually takes power himself rather than becoming the force behind the throne like in the original timeline
20:30.42MonetConsider a lot of the orcs would have been suspicious after the debacle that Garrosh intervened with.
20:32.59MonetIt took Grommash's reputation to be destroyed for Gul'dan's takeover to be even possible - Kilrogg changed sides because he saw Grommash's great plan as a failure.
20:33.36*** join/#sporewiki NeonPanda (65b3507e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.179.80.126)
20:33.48NeonPandahi all
20:33.57MonetHi
20:35.10OluapPlayer_bah I was about to ask him something
20:35.58MonetPerhaps compared to the others, killing Bladefist using Terokk might be under-whelming
20:36.56OluapPlayer_I lik Terokk far more than Bladefist so, that's my opinion there
20:39.26MonetBlackhand was killed by obliterating the dreadnought he was on, Ner'Zhul was deprived of the Dark Star by an inferred battle with none other than Velen. Garrosh was captured by besieging his bastion in Nagrand, and later dueled one-on-one with Green Jesus
20:40.55Xhohttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/ae/Kicath2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20161122204024 I lost my liking for the Kicath head so I re-did
20:40.56Xhoit
20:40.58XhoI prefer this one
20:41.10OluapPlayer_I'd have thought Blackhand died in the raid, not in the ship which he evidently jumped off
20:42.08OluapPlayer_Xho: at least i can see a mouth this time
20:42.10OluapPlayer_nitpick de
20:42.13MonetHe was believed dead and the battleship did scar him..
20:42.15OluapPlayer_ded even
20:42.22dino82_@monet: Nice Galixism view, mentioned it onthe Tertius Bellum page that Maxios wrote it
20:46.03XhoCyrannian|Busy: I might be able to concoct a character for it
20:46.13Cyrannian|Busyyey
20:46.21MonetWatched the clip again.
20:47.08MonetI can see why the Alliance think him dead - he jumps off the ship just as the fireball caught up with him
20:49.32MonetTerokk's revival wasn't pointless I don't think.
20:50.14MonetIt was a *massive* boost in morale to his followers and a terrifying discovery by the Adherants of Rukmar.
20:51.11OluapPlayer_Sure it served of great help for the Outcasts and you do drive the orcs out
20:51.18OluapPlayer_But I'd have liked him to have won the fight
20:51.48MonetBladefist is a total piece of shit.
20:51.50OluapPlayer_Assert your dominance
20:52.21MonetThe more you hate him, the more you're going to love finally ending the asswipe.
20:52.28Wormy_Why I am I watching artificial insemination of a sow on evening British television
20:52.44MonetWormy: Countryfile?
20:52.58NeonPandaWhy ARE you watching artificial insemination?
20:53.00Wormy_Yorkshire vets
20:53.39MonetOluapPLayer: To be fair, they built Blackhand to be this sucker who just couldn't be killed no matter how much you threw at him.
20:53.52Wormy_One man had to sit on the pig and massage its back while the other screwed (yes, like a screw) the thing in, and it squirted in his mouth
20:54.20Wormy_Thats how they do things in the countryside hur
20:54.25*** join/#sporewiki The_Randomness (muesi007@csel-kh1260-05.cselabs.umn.edu)
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20:54.30The_RandomnessHello
20:54.49Wormy_hi
20:55.20NeonPandahi u
20:56.04OluapPlayer_I have no strong feelings for any of the orc characters
20:56.13OluapPlayer_Well, save for Gul'dan
20:57.31Wormy_NeonPanda, Monet:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpxCDjJwUXg
20:57.51NeonPandaI watched enough such procedures during bio so no thanks XD
20:59.08The_RandomnessMet with somebody today for my senior project thingy for astrophysics, and along with getting an initial idea for what I'll be doing, I learned a kind of fancy-sounding word
20:59.18MonetSometimes all that feeling needs to be "oh boy I can't wait to finally end him"
20:59.58The_RandomnessWarning, math/physics ahead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symplectic_integrator
21:00.18NeonPanda[triggered]
21:00.20OluapPlayer_I just want better gear so I can move on to Legion
21:00.37Wormy_NeonPanda:  Actually, it was scene from Inbred with murderous Yorkshire hillbillies
21:00.45The_RandomnessBasically, the project will be looking at different algorithms to simulate n-body systems of particles attracted to each other gravitationally
21:01.02MonetThough I'm guessing Gul'dan stuck because either a) he's a historic character or b) youwatched the cinematics first. Which is where Gul'dan is most prominent
21:01.02The_RandomnessAnd the sort of advantages/drawbacks of each method
21:01.23NeonPandaMonet: Funnily enough when I was playing FFXIV I didn't give two fucks about the BBEG, but I really, REALLY wanted to kill his second in command because she was a massive cunt
21:01.40The_Randomnessheh
21:01.44OluapPlayer_He stuck because his participation in the overall narrative goes beyond the Draenor filler
21:01.57OluapPlayer_And I like just how blatantly evil he is
21:06.11Wormy_The_Randomness: Sounds interesting, guess you'll be looking for accuracy but also what method is best optimised
21:06.21The_RandomnessRight
21:06.57The_RandomnessThe main problem with this sort of thing is that even if you do all of the math correctly beforehand, once you put it into the computer, the total energy of your system may not be conserved due to quantization
21:06.57TechnobliteratorWhich reminds me, since I have Windows again, I can now properly play FFXIV
21:07.07The_Randomness\o/
21:07.32TechnobliteratorSo much to catch up on
21:08.09OluapPlayer_Technobliterator: I left a thing for your bot to d
21:08.10OluapPlayer_o
21:08.23TechnobliteratorCan do it soon since my bot actually works again now
21:08.34TechnobliteratorI got bot jobs on other wikis, but I'll get to this after them
21:08.48NeonPandaI wonder if I could actually be bothered starting up FFXIV again
21:08.54NeonPandaprobably not
21:09.27The_Randomness:<
21:10.42NeonPandaI would be the lag if I were playing with you guys, therefore my ability to dungeon would be limited (I'm used to it but it's annoying and precludes higher difficulty dungeons), so I'd probably just end up fishing again
21:10.59NeonPandawhich would be fun, but I'd rather not spend however much money every few months for a very pretty fishing simulator
21:11.27The_RandomnessIs your ping to Cactuar that high?
21:11.48Wormy_Sometimes that happens when interacting particles in a system reach numbers the software or hardware can't correct, adding additional energy
21:12.38The_RandomnessNeonPanda: I also know people I could hook you up with if you want to become a pro crafter/gatherer
21:13.45NeonPandait's a slight response delay, but enough that I have trouble getting out of circles some times (like between my reaction time and the lag)
21:15.10The_RandomnessAh, alright
21:15.32NeonPandawhich is the main reason that I either played a tank or a machinist because the latter didn't involve standing close enough to take damage
21:15.38The_RandomnessHeh
21:17.29The_RandomnessLike, if I got all the mats and stuff to get the stuff for leves, I could get a crafter to 50 in a few hours after I get one of my crafter buddies to make the stuff HQ for me
21:17.50NeonPandawell yeah that's just standard
21:18.24The_RandomnessBut crafting is actually pretty fun
21:18.26NeonPandaI wouldn't do that for gathering though, certain pleasure to be had in just going out and fishing
21:18.31The_Randomnessright
21:18.38NeonPanda*cough* 60 armourer *cough*
21:18.40The_RandomnessAnd yeah, I've heard fishing is the most fun
21:18.48NeonPandayou forget I've been there done that
21:18.49The_RandomnessEven though I'm not very good at crafting lol
21:18.54The_Randomnessyeah, I am
21:18.56The_Randomnessagain
21:18.58The_Randomness._.
21:19.42NeonPandaI feel like your FC house could use a giant pair of shark jaws over the doorstep
21:19.53The_RandomnessHeh
21:20.16NeonPandathat was my main contribution to the FC house was a pair of megalodon jaws in the bar
21:20.37XhoMonet: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/b/b4/Kitravasuron2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20161122212011 Remade President Suplex
21:21.48Wormy_Hachiman:  Typical Jack Russel taking on anything https://www.facebook.com/stantonwarriors/videos/10154267532318889/
21:22.26MonetXho: Quite the grin he has
21:23.54Xhohttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/33/Kitravasuron2017PAE.png/revision/latest?cb=20161122211930 Did his portrait as well
21:31.14*** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@95.140.92.31)
21:31.57ImpyDroidHachiman: I just realised you are from the part of the UK that directly faces France
21:32.05ImpyDroidThat explains your feeling towards it
21:32.44Xhokek
21:33.01ImpyDroidHoly shit looking at a map, one could literally swim from France on a boat and get to Hachi's house
21:33.12ImpyDroidBe prepared I am coming for your life
21:33.38MonetPeople do. Fro mthe UK at least
21:33.59MonetI hear Richard Branson has an amphibious car he uses sometimes.
21:34.22ImpyDroidRight I am actually going to check where you all folks live
21:34.26ImpyDroidStalker mode activated
21:34.36ImpyDroid*guys
21:34.43ImpyDroidFolks is only used for old people right?
21:35.15ImpyDroidXho: So you live next to a fucking tiny island
21:35.33ImpyDroidIsle of Wight
21:35.42ImpyDroidThat sounds badass, like there are zombies there
21:37.33ImpyDroidWhat is that with calling every forest a park in the UK?
21:37.52ImpyDroidThat does not look like a park
21:37.59Cyrannian|BusyI thought Xho lived in Southampton
21:38.09MonetHe does
21:38.14GhelaeWe cut down most of our trees thousands of years ago, so we have to make the few patches of forest we have left special like that.
21:38.46Cyrannian|BusyWhoops, I thought Impy said that he lived on a tiny island
21:38.53MonetThe Isle of Wight is off the coast of both Southampto nand Portsmouth.
21:39.12ImpyDroidGhelae: Now I kind of pity you hur
21:39.29Wormy_Forests tend to have some historical significance in that they were parks for Barons, Lords and Kings to go hunting
21:40.00ImpyDroidAh
21:40.04MonetTBF we have a forest called "the New Forest"
21:40.29Wormy_That's a new one, with no such significance to my knowledge
21:40.29MonetEstablished c. 1079
21:40.31ImpyDroidCyrannian|Busy: Actually, I *do* live on a tiny island
21:40.33Wormy_oh
21:40.36Wormy_fail
21:40.43ImpyDroidI thought to brag about it but then I realised you all live on islands
21:40.44Wormy_I thought it was last "last century new"
21:41.04Wormy_ImpyDroid:  To the British mind this is a big place
21:41.07MonetIt was recorded in the Domesday book as "Nova Foresta", New Forest in Latin.
21:41.13ImpyDroidChecking Ireland now, oh God these names
21:41.27Wormy_You should see Wales
21:41.29ImpyDroid"Kilkenny"
21:41.47XhoWell
21:41.53ImpyDroidOh holy shit Cyrannian
21:41.56XhoHave you ever seen the Wicker Man
21:41.59ImpyDroidYou live next to North Ireland?
21:42.18XhoThe Isle of Wight isn't too far removed from that film
21:42.24GhelaeOh, and: "Folks is only used for old people right?" No, but I can only imagine it being said by an old man with a Texan drawl.
21:42.25Cyrannian|Busyyus, I use it to get free shipping from Amazon mwahahaha
21:42.53Wormy_Xho:  Check out Yorkshire  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpxCDjJwUXg
21:43.01MonetXho: Maybe with the whole "pagan sex parties thing" being a lot more secular.
21:43.40ImpyDroidCyrannian|Busy: Kek, we use Finland to travel over Europe freely
21:43.40HachimanIs it bad I've been considering the idea of the Fantasyverse version of Santa Claus being an ancient Mannazian warrior-turned-demigod
21:43.47Hachimanor immortal, rather
21:43.57Cyrannian|Busyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gort - My favourite place name. If only the "t" was a "f", the high population of Brazilians would be a hilarious coincidence
21:44.03ImpyDroid>Get to EU >Can fly all over EU
21:44.47XhoWormy_: Well that went from 0-100 quick
21:44.59GhelaeHachiman: I suppose that wouldn't require too much of a retcon to my Christmas Elf page.
21:45.30HachimanI remembered the Christmas Elves and figured that he spends his time there throughout most of the year
21:45.54HachimanHe rests and hibernates throughout the year, only awakening during winter to do battle with monsters and primal evils across the world
21:46.12XhoKalarah - it was a weird winter
21:46.23Wormy_ImpyDroid: some villages in my county have Viking and Celtic names https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civil_parishes_in_Derbyshire
21:47.03HachimanOf course, he also blesses villages and gives gifts to people; he travels across the world upon a sleigh pulled by dire reindeer war-beasts
21:47.24Cyrannian|BusyWormy_: Smalley is my favourite
21:47.27XhoKalarah - it was a weird winter
21:47.59ImpyDroidWormy_: >High Peak
21:48.20XhoHachiman: Well there is a fiction story I've got called the Demigod Crisis                            could work
21:48.23Wormy_"Monyash" "Youlgreave" and "Edale" are mine, Edale has only two genetic families
21:48.33Hachiman>Demigod Crisis
21:48.34Wormy_ImpyDroid:  Because its the Peak District
21:48.48GhelaeI was just wondering what time of year Calamity of the Gods is supposed to take place. That would be a weird winter.
21:49.01ImpyDroidAll these names sound kind of high fantasy
21:49.10XhoHachiman: It's exactly how it sounds
21:49.21HachimanImpyDroid: Where do you think Tolkien got it from hur
21:49.25ImpyDroidTrue
21:49.27XhoI could spoil the plot but it wouldn't be so good
21:49.37ImpyDroidMeanwhile half of the local villages have Finnish names
21:49.44Cyrannian|BusyWormy_: Ohoho just discovered this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilbrittain
21:50.14Wormy_http://www.peakroutes.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/kinder_scout_crowden_clough_3.jpg  http://www.peakdistrictinformation.com/images/kinderlow2.jpg  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/Travel/Destinations/Europe/England/Derbyshire/Peak%20District/peak%20district-drive-winnats-xlarge.jpg
21:50.22Wormy_ImpyDroid:  Derbyshire looks like LorTR
21:50.26MonetI'm guessing 'Kil' is a gaelic word.
21:50.34Wormy_Also the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution
21:50.52Wormy_So some places look like Saruron's mines or whatever they were called
21:51.01Cyrannian|Busyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muckanaghederdauhaulia - meaning "ridge, shaped like a pig's back, between two expanses of briny water"
21:51.04ImpyDroidMeanwhile we have places that translate to "Bricktown" or "Claytown"
21:51.25ImpyDroidOr some commie nonsense lime "Red May" or "Leninsomething"
21:51.51MonetI grew up ten minutes from Oxford so I can't really joke lol.
21:51.52Wormy_Cyrannian|Busy:  My Irish ancestors came from Chapelizod
21:52.06ImpyDroid"Moosetown" "Pinetown"
21:52.14ImpyDroidFucking Russians with their stupid place names
21:52.25ImpyDroidThere is like one cool town in the oblast
21:52.31ImpyDroid"Schlisselburg"
21:53.34Hachiman"The crunching of heavy footsteps alerted brought his foes to a halt, their focus drawn away from their cornered prey; as the howls of the ungodly blizzard raged, the demons' fiery eyes gazed upon the visage of a man, his stature and figure both as impressive as the ancient battleaxe he grasped with a firm hand."
21:53.54ImpyDroidOur course has a topographic project and apparently there is a town in the Leningrad Oblast called "Volos", which translates as "hair"
21:54.00ImpyDroidLiterally "Hair Town"
21:54.27dino82_bye bye
21:54.33ImpyDroidHachiman: Latar volunteers to pull his chariot
21:55.08Wormy_Cyrannian|Busy: https://imgur.com/r/hiking/4oDgOXm
21:55.29Cyrannian|BusyThat looks amazing
21:56.26XhoHachiman: wat u talking about
21:57.04Hachiman"His coat flowed behind him as he strolled through the deathly winds, while a hand clasped his chin, stroking through a bushy, snow-white beard as he exchanged glances with the unholy forces of the Void. "Ho ho ho..." he muttered, his eyes glimmering as if possessed by the wrath of winter itself."
21:57.16Wormy_I'm overly proud and patriotic about Derbyshire
21:57.23Xhodam dem demigods
21:57.41ImpyDroidI just realised
21:57.50XhoWell I guess I could spoil the Demigod Crisis as it will happen either way
21:57.54HachimanSanta Claus is the white, Krampus would be the black
21:57.59ImpyDroidI said I lived on Vasilyevski Island numerous times on this chat
21:58.09HachimanXho: non save it
21:58.12ImpyDroidso you practically know where I live
21:58.19XhoFair enough
21:58.29ImpyDroidIt would not take long to find me, the island is not that big
21:58.39Cyrannian|BusyWormy_: #MakeDerbyshireGreatAgain
21:58.46ImpyDroidHoly shit I gave off my location to potential assassins
21:58.49Wormy_ItalreadyISGreat
21:59.07XhoImpyDroid: I'm a little short in dinero so I can't make the trip
21:59.51Wormy_Kinder Scout for example, is the place where Ramblers illegally walked up the private mountain to make a demonstration of the right to roam the countryside.  Rest of the country and world soon followed
21:59.54ImpyDroidWormy_: Your forest is nothing next to the second Venice... except that Venice freezes over every year so it is a pretty shabby Venice
21:59.59Cyrannian|BusyImpyDroid: When you look up my name on Google Images, a picture of a Draconis comes up and when you click it, it links to a random IRC log where I linked to my Facebook, which I always found disconcerting
21:59.59OluapPlayer_I'm gonna head there and die to the cold
22:00.16Wormy_What forest?
22:00.37NeonPandaHachiman: y u reeding santa fanfic?
22:01.08ImpyDroidWormy_: Peak District
22:01.15MonetCyrannian|Busy: You've found the Royal Intelligence Agency's back door.
22:01.16Wormy_The whole modern world rests on the Derbyshire's shoulders
22:01.44HachimanNeonPanda: I'm not, I'm writing Panda fanfic hur
22:02.12Wormy_Its not a forest, its a collection of limestone and gritstone mountains, woods, moorlands, bogs, dales, gorges and derelict industry
22:02.18NeonPandaI do not use an axe you degenerate
22:02.26HachimanWait fuck
22:02.34HachimanI meant Santa not Panda
22:02.38ImpyDroidHachiman: Holy shit you have a ruined castle in the middle of your city
22:02.41NeonPandagood job
22:02.41OluapPlayer_A+
22:02.45Wormy_ImpyDroid:  Also Peak District gets snowed in too
22:02.56HachimanImpyDroid: Ah yes, we do
22:03.09NeonPandaalso we should play duelyst after chicken is done cooking so I can introduce you to my new magmar friends
22:03.16MonetBuilt by a bloody Frenchman.
22:03.20HachimanI'm afraid I can't
22:03.26HachimanMy headset is ded
22:03.42NeonPanday this
22:03.44Cyrannian|Busyinb4 Impy is a member of Russian Intelligence
22:03.48HachimanI broke it by accident
22:03.48NeonPandaunded ur hedset
22:03.52ImpyDroidIs it just a ruin?
22:03.58HachimanIt is just a ruin yes
22:04.03ImpyDroidRight
22:04.15ImpyDroidNow that I imagine it it must look fucking surreal
22:04.18NeonPandaCyrannian: well you're a waptorian infiltrator so for all we know this is a meeting of international men of mystery
22:04.21NeonPandaand one woman of mystery
22:04.35MonetMost English towns and cities will have a castle in the middle, most of them are in ruins.
22:04.43HachimanAnd because I proposed making Fantasyverse Santa an ancient, immortal warrior who fills roughly the same role as actual Santa, except he also kills monsters, demons, and other monstrosities and has his sleigh pulled by mythical dire reindeer war-beasts
22:05.02NeonPandaif that was any more edgy you'd cut yourself reading it
22:05.09HachimanHardly edgy
22:05.25NeonPandamaking santa an ancient immortal warrior battling evil, yeah pretty edgy
22:05.42Wormy_https://www.visitengland.com/sites/default/files/styles/experience_page_consumer_gallery_image/public/dovedale-peak-district.jpg?itok=OaziXg7-  http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6986492.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/sat-travel.jpg https://static1.squarespace.com/static/52d7f61fe4b08a516dd3e863/530e002ee4b0690c9e1668c3/530e0031e4b0b85c7b3409d3/1440590133932/Hampers_Hang,_Peak_District.jpg http://www.walkingenglishman.com/peakdistrict/03/0
22:05.43ImpyDroidMore comical than edgy
22:05.54ImpyDroidMonet: Huh
22:06.01HachimanI mean, I'd say it's more metal than anything, but different strokes
22:06.17ImpyDroidOkay we  have castles too but they are either far away from large cities or are functional
22:06.19Monethttps://kayjayaitch.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/warwick-castle-westside.jpg this is one of the more well-preserved castles in England.
22:06.34HachimanMy parents actually got married at a castle
22:06.54HachimanBodiam Castle, in fact
22:07.13ImpyDroidThat is fucking cool
22:07.23MonetGeneral rule of thumb in England is if a castle isn't a ruin it's probably been converted into a palace.
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22:07.37NeonPandaif you go back a couple of generations my family owns a castle
22:07.39Wormy_I used to partly live on a narrow boat
22:07.39ImpyDroidMonet: I assume that Anglo-Saxons and Russians had different construction techniques
22:08.02HachimanHey Drodo, we were just discussing castles and how England is full of them
22:08.02ImpyDroidRussia has a lot of intact castles but these are more like keeps
22:08.13Cyrannian|Busyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BAn_Dealgan_Motte - This one is located right behind my house
22:08.19HachimanAnd also how I have a castle ruin in the centre of my city and how my parents got married in one
22:08.25MonetThat and after the 15th century castles as fortresses in England became rather pointless.
22:08.28ImpyDroidLike most old cities have a ring of fortifications at the center
22:08.50MonetPortsmouth, iirc, has a star fort.
22:08.54ImpyDroidThese are called kremlins
22:09.08Wormy_Not a castle but this is a pretty famous building https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Chatsworth_Bridge.jpg/300px-Chatsworth_Bridge.jpg
22:09.16ImpyDroidMost old ethnic Russian cities and some non-Russian ones have a Kremlin
22:09.30Wormy_I think Derbyshire has one of the oldest, a Norman castle in Duffield.  Not thats it much now
22:10.02DrodoEmpireHey everyone
22:10.03DrodoEmpireAlso cool
22:10.12XhoSouthampton has quite a wide array of ruins
22:10.24XhoMainly because half of the medieval walls are still intact
22:10.27ImpyDroidMonet: http://www.kazan-kremlin.ru/system/slider/p11.jpg Do British cities have these?
22:10.28Xhohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southampton_town_walls
22:10.33ImpyDroidSomething like a kremlin
22:10.45MonetAhh not really.
22:10.52DrodoEmpireThere's a few notable fortifications in NS, actually
22:11.25MonetClosest to something like a Kremlin might be how some cities still have their original walls to an extent.
22:11.26DrodoEmpireIncluding the absolutely massive Fortress of Louisbourg, which is partially reconstructed (about a sixth of it has been rebuilt and its *huge* just for that) and there're reenactments there
22:11.30DrodoEmpireIts incredible
22:11.54Wormy_Gosh, I've never been here http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B87BCH/the-tower-alport-castles-alport-dale-peak-district-national-park-derbyshire-B87BCH.jpg
22:12.30Wormy_Might find some fossils and calcite crystals there
22:12.42MonetImpyDroid: Chances are the closest we have to a Kremlin is a palace or manor house that because reasons looks vaguely castle-shaped.
22:12.50MonetLike Warick.
22:13.25DrodoEmpireYeah unfortunately the closest thing I can think of in NS/Canada is the Citadel in Halifax
22:13.50DrodoEmpireWhich is a star fort set near the coast
22:13.52ImpyDroidMonet: So what is different is that we do not have castles as independent buildings
22:14.04MonetImpyDroid: http://www.aboutbritain.com/images/attraction/big/tower-of-london-aerial-view-132125153.jpg would this count?
22:14.10ImpyDroidWe have circles of walls and fortifications surrounding important areas in a cites
22:14.21ImpyDroidWhereas you have full-on buildings
22:14.38ImpyDroidMonet: Yes that looks a bit like the Moscow Kremlin
22:16.33Cyrannian|BusyVisiting the Tower of London was my favourite memory from my trip
22:16.45ImpyDroidYour castles doubled as palaces and administration centers
22:16.48ImpyDroidI presume
22:16.49MonetEngland never really had foreign invasion issues like the Mongols and I don't think England was really invaded after the Normans.
22:17.27MonetWell except for the odd Scot or Jacobite invasion.
22:18.44ImpyDroidSo there was not that much of a need to protect entire CITIES
22:19.44MonetUntil cannons became a serious thing there was some need. Problem is a lot of cities relied more on Roman rather than post-Norman walls.
22:20.58Wormy_Monet:  Once people in Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire rallied for an invasion on London, got to several thousand, but nobody turned out in the last few cities.
22:21.05MonetDuring the Fifteenth and Sixteenth centuries the monarchy spent a buttload on coastal fortifications for a war with France that never happened.
22:21.13Monetinvasion from France*
22:22.03NeonPandagotta be careful for when they ride over the water on their horses
22:22.36ImpyDroidXho: I ought to use Latar more but then again
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22:23.11MonetAlthough if I recall my history, had Napoleon won at Waterloo, he might have been the first in centuries to invade English soil.
22:23.14ImpyDroidBeing a half-naked bubbly deer woman I feel she feels like a weird furry fetish object
22:24.22DrodoEmpireMonet: Yeah
22:24.51XhoThere was a castle I went to in France many years ago
22:24.54NeonPandaImpyDroid: that was an odd sentence to read, not gonna lie
22:24.59XhoUnfortunately I don't remember what it was called
22:25.04DrodoEmpireI suppose a big thing to remember is that castles like those were indeed centres of government and political influence in the medieval era
22:25.16MonetThey were.
22:25.22DrodoEmpireMoreso than they were defensive fortifications, even
22:25.55ImpyDroidMonet: Come to think about it, Russia and England are both very much impenetrable but in different ways
22:26.04MonetWe're all taught in English history that after securing London, Willion of Normandy decided to build castles everywhere he could.
22:26.22ImpyDroidBritain is defended by sea, Russia by its vast extent
22:26.43NeonPandaand Australia by sea, the fact that most of it is uninhabitable and the rest of it wants to kill you :)
22:26.57ImpyDroidOne finds it very hard invade Britain to begin with; Russia is easier to attack but very difficult to fight in
22:27.17MonetThe project was so ambitious that they started out with wooden forts like this https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d8/ef/dc/d8efdc43e387904018843e779bb41126.jpg
22:27.17ImpyDroid>implying someone would actually want to fight for Australia
22:27.30NeonPandathe Japanese did
22:27.36NeonPandaand they regretted it
22:27.42ImpyDroidBritain and Russia are like polar opposites but also very similar
22:27.58MonetMany towns (Oxford included) still have their old mottes somewhere near theri city centres.
22:28.03ImpyDroidNapoleon and Hitler both tried to conquer both and both failed
22:28.56ImpyDroidBoth are kind of multiethnic and unstable, both are in decline, both are hard to conquer, both have a strong drinking culture, both ruled the world
22:29.26XhoWell I can't find the castle ruin I've been to but blah
22:30.01ImpyDroidBoth are kind of contradictory
22:30.08ImpyDroidBoth are miserable
22:30.13MonetI could argue that Britain has been an unstable nation for maybe the past 500 years.
22:30.24NeonPandaI should go to the parts of france Australia rocked up to during the wars
22:31.34MonetWe were the first nation to industrialise, but all the lovely dresses and fancy suits were fashion for the gentry and the aristocracy while even in 1880 a common Londoner might have dressed like a rural commoner in 1650
22:31.39XhoI think it was possibly the Château de Fougères I went to
22:31.55XhoTrying to narrow down the geography
22:32.16ImpyDroidAlso what is that with Japanese castles?
22:32.25ImpyDroidhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Nagoya_Castle%28Edit2%29.jpg/1920px-Nagoya_Castle%28Edit2%29.jpg They just look like big houses
22:32.30ImpyDroidNot like actual housds
22:32.33Xhowhy not
22:32.40HachimanWell, you know they actually lived in them right
22:33.01DrodoEmpireThey were likely built that way to resist earthquakes, and because it was cheap and Japan's resource-poor
22:33.13DrodoEmpireYes, medieval fortifications across the entire planet were used as residences
22:33.20DrodoEmpireThat was one of their primary purposes
22:33.26XhoThey were pretty well fortified as well
22:33.49DrodoEmpireAs I said, they were centres of political power more than just military centres
22:33.51Xhohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagoya_Castle#/media/File:Nagoya_Castle_merged.jpg Try and siege that doi
22:33.54MonetI think that's Impy's point. Japanese castles (at least the ones that stil lsurvive) have rather large windows and prone to burning.
22:35.31MonetBut maybe it was that building-grade stone was rare.
22:35.49Wormy_ImpyDroid:  Don't know whether this series will interest you, basically the British Empire in original colour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mexNOFv70R8&t=345s
22:36.03Wormy_It fills one with both nostalgia and regret
22:36.14DrodoEmpireOoh
22:37.07Wormy_Oops I cut part way into it https://youtu.be/mexNOFv70R8
22:38.34MonetI guess contrast to Europe where because of its quantity and homogenaity, the stone quarried from Caen was *the* building material in Medieval England.
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22:43.49Cyrannian|BusyHi Liquid
22:47.26DrodoAwaybrb
22:47.51Liquid_InkHello
22:48.46Cyrannian|Busyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AQApQVxIRk
22:50.45Liquid_InkMemories
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22:54.04Wormy_So true
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