| 00:06.07 | Cyrannian | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d1/NeraidaCoreBattle.png/revision/latest?cb=20161119235647 - Take a look |
| 00:14.48 | OluapPlayer | That's pretty good |
| 00:24.07 | Technobliterator | Nice iamge :o |
| 00:40.10 | Xho | Hachiman: THERE WILL BE A WAR |
| 00:40.52 | Cyrannian | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/2c/NeraidaCoreBattle02.png/revision/latest?cb=20161120004040 - This turned out pretty good |
| 00:43.30 | Xho | Cyrannian: "NOW LISTEN HERE YOU LITTLE SHIT" |
| 00:46.48 | Cyrannian | I dun cropped it to take out the obnoxious mouth/bite graphic |
| 01:04.06 | Xho | Huh well I just noticed that bit about Andromedism |
| 01:05.00 | Xho | Another thing the Kicath probably wouldn't like that much |
| 01:05.40 | Xho | Especially since they appear to be the oldest power from the Milky Way |
| 01:08.15 | Monet | The Kicath may be a possible exception |
| 01:08.48 | Monet | Buut they might lose points for the whole "emperors tend to get assassinated" |
| 01:09.17 | Xho | Hm true |
| 01:09.34 | Xho | Seizure of power is sometimes considered more logical to them than not |
| 01:09.48 | Xho | As absolute and as extreme as they are, they aren't always unified |
| 01:10.28 | Xho | Some believe in peace while others suggest that forcefully dissolving Xonexi's Golden Age is necessary |
| 01:10.44 | Xho | As to why, well |
| 01:11.06 | Xho | They believe peace and economic prosperity brings about stagnation |
| 01:12.18 | Xho | The more aggressive Kicath don't believe in a permanent unity |
| 01:13.33 | Monet | Draconis - Stagnation only comes form peace when you expect it to persist by its own virtue. |
| 01:13.41 | Xho | Well that's the thing |
| 01:13.49 | Xho | The Kicath don't believe in nor care about virtue |
| 01:14.19 | Xho | The Gigaquadrant is a wheel and they'd prefer to do whatever it takes to move it |
| 01:14.31 | Xho | Even if it means a quadrillion and over death toll |
| 01:14.51 | Xho | Of course that's that conjecture and the Kicath aren't mobilising |
| 01:15.06 | Xho | But that's the more extreme view of some of them |
| 01:15.28 | Xho | The popular view currently is maintaining order |
| 01:15.43 | Xho | Although they don't buy into any of the sociopolitical values of the contemporary Gigaquadrant |
| 01:17.33 | Monet | Draconis - A wheel will not move unless you push it. |
| 01:17.53 | Xho | Through death or life however is what the Kicath decide upon |
| 01:20.17 | Xho | I'd imagine by now the Draconis would know the mechanism of Kicathian politics |
| 01:20.40 | Xho | Despite the fact that the Kicath are among the Gigaquadrant's most advanced species their political structure is very basic |
| 01:21.24 | Xho | I suppose a race unconcerned with the consequences of their actions with other races wouldn't have a complex political structure |
| 01:22.24 | Xho | I imagine their Andromedan territories are all governed by a foreign populace in order to coexist naturally with Andromeda |
| 01:22.38 | Monet | Probably for the best |
| 01:23.03 | Xho | Borealis is a different story though, the Kicath's machine like nature works with Borealis' environment |
| 01:23.12 | Xho | To a point |
| 01:23.24 | Monet | Though the idea that The kicath are advanced but politically unchanged may imply to them that Kicath society stagnated long ago |
| 01:23.47 | Xho | Perhaps |
| 01:24.01 | Xho | Then again Kicathian society is cosmopolitan despite the fact that the Kicath are there |
| 01:24.24 | Xho | It's more likely foreign influences that make their society progressive rather than retrograde |
| 01:26.06 | Monet | Depends on how influential the non-Kicath are |
| 01:26.23 | Xho | The Kicath more than likely allowed non-Kicath influence so they could acquire influence for themselves |
| 01:26.36 | Xho | In a somewhat non-malicious manner |
| 01:26.43 | Xho | Although it depends on what point in history |
| 01:27.07 | Xho | Some points in history might be a comparatively diplomatic assimilation |
| 01:27.14 | Monet | Draconis - That's decent thinking though. |
| 01:27.29 | Xho | Other points would be total invasion and a vehemently malicious enslavement |
| 01:28.51 | Monet | As much as the Draconis might honour the Kicath as another ancient race. Some might have reservations by seeing the Kicath as a stagnant power. |
| 01:29.01 | Xho | I wouldn't be totally surprised if the Kicath have the mental capacity to reciprocate quirks of other species in order to socialise |
| 01:29.29 | Monet | So some ambassadors and praetors might argue the Kicath themselves are past their prime. |
| 01:30.06 | Xho | It's possible |
| 01:30.29 | Xho | The Kicath have little more to gain from societal order and peace |
| 01:30.55 | Xho | It's probable that a morality shift is on the cards although this might cause more internal damage than not |
| 01:31.13 | Xho | The logical decision is to maintain order, the logical decisionis also to cause war |
| 01:31.35 | Xho | Kicathian society might implode from a political paradox |
| 01:33.02 | Xho | The Draconis would have experienced this change before but the Kicath are Gigaquadrantic in power projection |
| 01:33.34 | Xho | What is essentially their device for societal evolution cannot happen because they've hit the peak of their power projection |
| 01:34.53 | Xho | The only thing they could do past that point is to either 1) Assimilate more cultures either forcefully or peacefully 2) Stagnate and crumble |
| 01:35.14 | Monet | I recall France's primary contention was the Kicath were expecting unconditional respect despite having not really done much for decades. |
| 01:35.33 | Xho | The Kicath demand respect because they're the Kicath |
| 01:36.24 | Xho | Their thought process is that their existence is necessary and therefore demands respect |
| 01:36.44 | Monet | Draconis - Learn from us. No one cares unless you inspire them. |
| 01:37.05 | Xho | Thing is, I don't know where the Kicath would turn to if they decided to start assimilating cultures |
| 01:37.21 | Xho | Mirus is the most likely |
| 01:38.12 | Xho | Unfortunately the machine cannot move much further than this |
| 01:38.12 | Monet | This might be where things get difficult. |
| 01:38.35 | Xho | The ultimate flaw of being a machine descended from Krathazhrukhal is |
| 01:38.37 | Xho | You're not Krath |
| 01:38.42 | Monet | If the Kicath start assimilating in Mirus it might engage the Alcant iTriad against the Kicath. |
| 01:38.51 | Xho | That is what will happen |
| 01:39.12 | Xho | The only thing that they can target properly is the Dominion |
| 01:39.35 | Xho | The Dominion is their final obstacle in terms of Gigaquadrantic order |
| 01:40.05 | Xho | Past that point there'd be no more societal evolution and they'd either ascend to post sapience or destroy themselves |
| 01:40.24 | Xho | And since the Dominion fundamentally cannot be removed, the latter is more likely |
| 01:41.08 | Xho | The Kicath basically contain the mindest of a god although not the power of a god |
| 01:42.08 | Xho | So ultimately I've designed the Kicath to inevitably crumble to oblivion |
| 01:42.22 | Xho | Such is fate when the Xhodocto are origin of it |
| 01:43.08 | Xho | Judging by what we've said, that dissolution will start happening within the next century |
| 01:44.44 | Monet | Civilisations that don't adapt are doomed to collapse. |
| 01:45.05 | Xho | Indeed |
| 01:45.09 | Xho | The Kicath cannot and will not see that |
| 01:45.16 | Xho | They believe all societies should adapt to them |
| 01:45.37 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Neraida_War#Battle_of_the_Neraida_Core - Take a look, the end of the Neraida War |
| 01:46.35 | Xho | ded bots |
| 01:46.43 | Monet | Draconis - This is why aliens struggle to respect you |
| 01:47.32 | Xho | They're machines that have reached the crux of their computability |
| 01:47.40 | Cyrannian | Particularly "The Virus" section, it made Oluap and I crai |
| 01:48.15 | OluapPlayer | Only took 6 months |
| 01:48.35 | Xho | 6 months is pretty quick all things considered |
| 01:48.59 | Xho | Monet: Judging by the fact I'll be much less active this time next year I will probably incite the Kicath to collapse in fiction |
| 01:49.07 | Xho | A grim end but an end nonetheless |
| 01:49.11 | Cyrannian | Aye, Dark Times took four years |
| 01:51.07 | Xho | Makes me wonder what the Kicath would have been like if the Vi'Navitum and Xi'Arazulha didn't genetically interfere |
| 01:52.37 | OluapPlayer | demons |
| 01:53.30 | Monet | There's a nalternate universe possibility. |
| 01:53.42 | Xho | Meh not really, I don't have the patience for it |
| 01:54.21 | Monet | Fair enough |
| 01:54.36 | Xho | As for post collapse, not sure what happens to the Kicath |
| 01:55.20 | Xho | They are incredibly numerous although their society will likely fragment into numerous smaller powers and will probably continue to halve until their influence is eradicated |
| 01:56.39 | Xho | Either that or they rebound together and cause their society to re-progress by eliminating their weaker half |
| 01:56.51 | Xho | As was with the Remnant against the Empire |
| 01:58.50 | Xho | And it will be either beneficial or detrimental to the rest of the Gigaquadrant depending on whether a peaceful or destructive Kicathian power would arise out of it |
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| 01:59.50 | Monet | Hello |
| 02:00.45 | Xho | Anyway I need to go to sleep |
| 02:01.00 | Cyrannian | Aye, me too |
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| 02:43.30 | Wormy_ | Wow I left IRC on all day |
| 02:45.34 | Wormy_ | Imperios's Britain First link soiled my internet history :( |
| 02:48.25 | The_Randomness | rip |
| 02:50.02 | Wormy_ | Now Google and Facebook thinks I'm a fascist |
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| 02:50.25 | MrRankings11 | Hi |
| 02:50.55 | Wormy_ | The_Randomness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcGT4p2IFkw |
| 02:52.03 | MrRankings11 | Hey Wormy, i Subsribed to your youtube account |
| 02:53.50 | Wormy_ | Aww, WormulonDCP? |
| 02:54.05 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: lmao |
| 02:54.14 | Wormy_ | I'm making a scientific vis channel when I get the time |
| 02:55.11 | MrRankings11 | Yo Wormy, any tips for making a human character? |
| 02:55.51 | Wormy_ | In Spore? I never really had a goo go making one from scratch. I based my human model on Xho's. |
| 02:55.56 | Wormy_ | *good |
| 02:56.21 | Wormy_ | The nose part included in the game is too big |
| 02:57.03 | Wormy_ | So one thing I remember is that you can turn certain parts inside out (into the model) to represent a nose |
| 02:57.26 | MrRankings11 | No i mean a character for the wiki |
| 02:57.37 | Wormy_ | Right |
| 02:58.12 | Wormy_ | Again, I don't really have any |
| 03:05.10 | MrRankings11 | Wait didn't you riight most ofthe lore surrounding humanity in spore? |
| 03:07.02 | MrRankings11 | Well on the spore wiki fiction u niverse |
| 03:07.07 | MrRankings11 | *universe |
| 03:08.37 | Wormy_ | A lot of the original lore I contrinuted to, yeah |
| 03:09.02 | Wormy_ | But a couple of years ago, having humans became an established trend |
| 03:10.08 | Wormy_ | bbl games |
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| 13:25.08 | Wormy_ | In Fallout 4 last night I was very drunk and running away from a Mirelurk Queen, but was blacked by Raiders. Instead of playing carefully I went into a massive frenzy and defeated them all, and this music started to play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjYXmAvbZeM |
| 13:25.15 | Wormy_ | *blocked |
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| 15:27.47 | Imperios | Hello |
| 15:27.49 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:28.24 | Imperios | Ghelae: Hi, I'm here to bug you again. Do you have any idea how to determine the density of the square of a random variable? |
| 15:28.48 | Imperios | The variable's distribution itself is normal BTW |
| 15:28.54 | Imperios | normal as in the probability theory normal |
| 15:29.42 | Ghelae | Hmm. I'm not sure, but it shouldn't be complicated. |
| 15:30.41 | Imperios | I would think I should somehow use the normal formula for multiplying two random variables but doesn't that only work if said variables are independent from one another? |
| 15:30.47 | Imperios | And in that case, they are, well, the same |
| 15:32.47 | Ghelae | So... the density of the variable itself is given by a normal distribution. Is the mean zero? |
| 15:33.22 | Imperios | I believe so |
| 15:33.28 | Imperios | Yeah it is |
| 15:33.33 | Imperios | Because e |
| 15:34.53 | Ghelae | So would that mean that, if we call the variable X, for any value x then P(X^2 = x^2) = P(X = x) + P(X = -x)? |
| 15:36.11 | Imperios | ...Hell, that makes sense |
| 15:36.30 | Ghelae | I'm thinking the density would be a simple modification of the normal distribution; for a start, it would only be the part with the positive domain. |
| 15:37.26 | Ghelae | You wouldn't have to change the mean, because 0^2 = 0, but you might have to change the variance. |
| 15:37.59 | Imperios | Hmmm |
| 15:38.47 | Imperios | So P(X^2 = x) would be P(X = |x| ^ (1/2)) + P(X = -|x| ^ (1/2)) |
| 15:38.52 | Imperios | Or... something |
| 15:39.21 | Ghelae | Yes. So if the normal distribution is a function of x, replace that with sqrt(x)? Then it's only defined (real) for positive x, too. |
| 15:41.29 | Ghelae | reminds himself what the formula for the normal distribution is |
| 15:42.20 | Ghelae | Ah; it's a function of x^2 anyway. So replace that with x and only consider positive x. |
| 15:42.34 | Ghelae | And I think you'd change the variance too. |
| 15:43.41 | Ghelae | I don't know what to, though. |
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| 15:47.13 | Imperios | Hi |
| 15:48.00 | Monet | hi |
| 15:48.23 | Imperios | Ghelae: About the "P(X^2 = x) would be P(X = |x| ^ (1/2)) + P(X = -|x| ^ (1/2))". Could I just treat the density of x^2 as a sum of the densities of these two? |
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| 16:20.51 | Ghelae | Imperios: Come to think of it, you probably could, yes. |
| 16:21.06 | Hachiman | "The Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe!" |
| 16:21.38 | Ghelae | Although note that your left-hand side has P(X^2) whileyour right-hand side has P(X). |
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| 16:27.37 | Imperios | Oh wait I just realised what I did wrong |
| 16:28.03 | Tek0516 | Hey Charles_Murray |
| 16:28.15 | Imperios | It should not be a sum, but a... how do you call the opposite of a sum in English? |
| 16:28.25 | Imperios | Like the result of substraction |
| 16:29.33 | Charles_Murray | Hey |
| 16:30.13 | Monet | Remainder? |
| 16:30.18 | Monet | Hi |
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| 16:34.45 | Ghelae | Imperios: Difference. |
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| 16:37.24 | dino82_ | hi |
| 16:38.57 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 16:42.26 | dino82_ | hi |
| 16:51.46 | Imperios | So, if we were look at the equation of the cumulative distribution function as a chart, we would first have to cut the part that is more than sqrt X and leave only that which is less or equal, THEN cut from the remaining part the part which is less than - sqrt X, provided that X is >0 |
| 16:51.50 | Imperios | otherwise it'd be the opposite |
| 16:53.01 | Ghelae | Yes. |
| 16:53.48 | Ghelae | Although if X<0 then sqrt(X) is presumably something you shouldn't be considering here. |
| 16:56.13 | Imperios | sqrt(|x|) I presume |
| 17:12.23 | Ghelae | You're considering the distribution of what we originally called X^2, aren't you? |
| 17:13.35 | Imperios | Yeah |
| 17:13.59 | Imperios | Right I am getting closer to the answer now, there's just one thing I wanted to make sure |
| 17:14.08 | Imperios | I'm starting from the cumulative distibution function |
| 17:16.31 | Imperios | So... outside of squaring the variable, there's also a constant I need to multiply it by (Basically we are talking about a circle). I take that one would simply multiply the CDF by that constant? |
| 17:16.38 | Imperios | Just making sure |
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| 17:17.56 | Ghelae | It sounds like it. Is this constant because probability distributions are normalised so that the total cumulative probability is 1, but you're dealing with something that's similar but needs a different number? |
| 17:17.58 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:19.16 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 17:19.25 | Imperios | That might as well be the worst conversation to bump into |
| 17:33.18 | Cyrannian | hi |
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| 17:59.08 | Monet | Evening |
| 17:59.51 | Xho | Hi |
| 17:59.57 | Xho | I had some ale earlier |
| 17:59.59 | Xho | It was nice |
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| 18:28.41 | Imperios | Xho Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-2t-0-6soA So apparently the Zulu punished cowards by impaling them by the anus |
| 18:41.16 | Imperios | Ghelae: ...Hm. Do you know how to calculate a Gaussian integral, but not from infinity to infinity and from a finite value to a finite value? |
| 19:00.47 | Monet | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxuO9ROVIAAkh5U.jpg history could have gone so much differently |
| 19:01.04 | The_Randomness | olol |
| 19:04.56 | Monet | Didn't Luke also almost kill Ben after first turning it on? |
| 19:15.30 | Charles_Murray | If he had actually died in that scene, he would have been proven to be too dumb to live |
| 19:16.26 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 19:22.01 | dino82_ | May theLight be with you: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Janice_RossOrderLarge.png |
| 19:39.57 | Monet | Holy moly just checked EVE's numbers |
| 19:40.19 | Monet | There's over 50,000 players online right now. That's a big spike |
| 19:42.15 | Monet | This Alpha Clone idea has so far doubled the number of players normally online. |
| 19:54.38 | Tek0516 | So much snow today. >.< Winter decided to greet Canada with a borderline blizzard. |
| 19:56.09 | The_Randomness | Tek0516: northern Minnesota got a bunch of snow iirc, so that's probably the same system |
| 19:57.16 | Tek0516 | -15°C with the windchill right nowm |
| 19:57.25 | Monet | brrr |
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| 20:05.54 | Ghelae | Imperios: Isn't that just the cumulative probability function of the normal (i.e. Gaussian) distribution function? |
| 20:06.05 | Imperios | Oh wait yes |
| 20:06.14 | Imperios | Brain fart |
| 20:06.23 | The_Randomness | Oh, I'm surprised I didn't think of that |
| 20:06.33 | The_Randomness | It's been a few too many months since I last did that |
| 20:06.43 | Imperios | I love probability theory |
| 20:06.58 | Imperios | I am literally the only person in my group who even tries to do the homework |
| 20:07.02 | The_Randomness | olol |
| 20:07.25 | Imperios | It's getting stupid actually |
| 20:07.45 | Imperios | In math school I sucked at maths but was good with languages |
| 20:08.24 | Imperios | Now I suck at languages but am sort of good-ish with maths |
| 20:08.31 | Monet | You've found your calling. |
| 20:08.46 | Imperios | I still hate maths |
| 20:09.12 | Imperios | Programming though, that works well for me |
| 20:09.15 | Monet | Everyone sucks at the beginning. |
| 20:09.18 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 20:09.33 | Imperios | Then again |
| 20:09.37 | Monet | The trick is to find a means to carry on. |
| 20:09.38 | Imperios | My French is getting better now I believe |
| 20:10.40 | Imperios | It's still so-so but kind of passable |
| 20:13.35 | Imperios | Ghelae: Holy shit, I just realised |
| 20:14.04 | Imperios | Since the CMF of the function is basically F(something) minus F(minus something) |
| 20:14.22 | Imperios | And the density of the standard normal function is symmetric https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Normal_distribution_pdf.png |
| 20:14.36 | Imperios | ...Wouldn't the density be zero? |
| 20:15.48 | Imperios | ...Is that possible? |
| 20:15.50 | Imperios | Does that make sense? |
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| 20:26.34 | Groxkiller98 | Quiet here... |
| 20:27.46 | Monet | You just joined |
| 20:31.58 | dino82_ | :d |
| 20:35.02 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Neraida_Gigamatrix - Made some big edits here to account for recent events, take a look |
| 20:35.19 | Cyrannian | OluapPlayer: especially you |
| 20:35.33 | OluapPlayer | dunt tell me wut to do bubbo |
| 20:35.41 | OluapPlayer | I'll check it out |
| 20:39.10 | OluapPlayer | Good work. The Neraida were a fun fiction to use since their conception |
| 20:39.13 | OluapPlayer | They had a good run |
| 20:39.53 | Cyrannian | rip you misunderstood wobots |
| 20:42.01 | Imperios | Cyrannian: Never thought I'd lament their demise |
| 20:42.04 | OluapPlayer | misunderstood destroyers of civilizations |
| 20:43.14 | Cyrannian | Oluap and I planned to have them survive in some way but decided against it at the end of the story, it felt like the natural way to end their run with a little exchange with the last Nagith |
| 20:44.19 | Imperios | There should be some robots running around shouldn't there? |
| 20:44.37 | OluapPlayer | You planned it |
| 20:44.51 | OluapPlayer | I don't support reviving villains hur |
| 20:45.25 | OluapPlayer | And yes, as mentioned there are drones in Cyranai who have broken out of the hivemind |
| 20:45.37 | OluapPlayer | But they're currently being hunted down by the Bisistar |
| 20:46.11 | dino82_ | No more Grox in Cyrannus |
| 20:46.16 | dino82_ | the Grox are a dying race............... |
| 20:46.21 | dino82_ | threatened for extinction |
| 20:46.33 | OluapPlayer | They weren't Grox to begin with |
| 20:48.33 | dino82_ | yeah but still, they were a bit of Grox/Borg like |
| 20:48.41 | dino82_ | less and less biomechanical being in the galaxy n ow |
| 20:49.37 | OluapPlayer | They were, but they were not the same race as the Grox |
| 20:51.44 | dino82_ | true |
| 20:51.47 | dino82_ | poor Q-Grox |
| 20:51.50 | dino82_ | they are in choas now |
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| 20:55.26 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone\ |
| 20:55.27 | dino82_ | hi |
| 20:55.33 | Groxkiller98 | What's the common galactic currency? We using Sporebucks? |
| 20:55.35 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 20:55.43 | DrodoEmpire | There is none |
| 20:55.45 | Groxkiller98 | Hai. |
| 20:55.50 | Groxkiller98 | Okay. |
| 20:56.12 | DrodoEmpire | I imagine some such as the French Franc would be commonly-accepted though |
| 20:56.27 | DrodoEmpire | The Drodo Colonial Dollar in the Neutrality Zone of the Quadrants as well |
| 20:56.52 | dino82_ | the Rambo recognise the coin as well though have theor own valuta as well |
| 21:00.40 | Imperios | A variety |
| 21:00.51 | Imperios | Groxkiller98: Where is your empire? |
| 21:01.02 | Groxkiller98 | Andromeda. |
| 21:01.12 | Imperios | dino82_: I am not sure if the term "valuta" exists in English, they just say "currency" |
| 21:01.18 | Imperios | Groxkiller98: Andromedan Exchange Units |
| 21:01.23 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 21:01.24 | Groxkiller98 | kk. |
| 21:01.47 | Groxkiller98 | Thanks. |
| 21:02.04 | DrodoEmpire | There *was* at one point some mentions of the SporeBuck, but I think that it was either quietly retconned or eventually ceased to exist as a currency |
| 21:02.13 | Ghelae | Imperios: Yes, you're misunderstanding the CMF there. If you were subtracting the density at -x from the density at x, you'd end up with zero, but that's not what you do for any situation I can think of. |
| 21:02.31 | Imperios | Right, let me try to think this over |
| 21:02.34 | DrodoEmpire | Mostly because, you know, there was no known central bank or institution to give it value :p |
| 21:02.43 | DrodoEmpire | Nor do we know if its value was fixed to some commodity |
| 21:02.47 | dino82_ | @Imperios: Whoops, we call that at home like that :D |
| 21:02.55 | dino82_ | I think it is an old word in English but not sure |
| 21:04.37 | DrodoEmpire | The currency of the mainland Drodo Empire is the Imperial Credit, in case you're wondering GroxKiller |
| 21:05.05 | DrodoEmpire | But, perhaps ironically, its overshadowed in the places outside of the Milky Way by the DCD, which is the currency of its colonial territories |
| 21:06.03 | Imperios | dino82_: Same here |
| 21:07.18 | dino82_ | Oh! |
| 21:08.42 | Imperios | Ghelae: Okay, if one thinks about it, the density should be something like the double normal density of something |
| 21:09.09 | Imperios | As the CMF, being a substraction, changes on two sides |
| 21:10.08 | Ghelae | The CMF is an integral, not just a subtraction of densities. |
| 21:10.23 | Imperios | Yeah that's what I am saying |
| 21:10.42 | Imperios | And the density, being the derivative, is literally the "change" of the CMF |
| 21:11.01 | Ghelae | CDF* |
| 21:11.16 | Imperios | OWait yes, confusion |
| 21:11.17 | Imperios | CDF yes |
| 21:11.31 | Imperios | WE just call it the distrubution function in Vodkaland |
| 21:12.19 | Ghelae | Yes, the density in terms of the CDF is how much the CDF increases as the variable increases. |
| 21:13.05 | Imperios | So, as we found that the CDF is basically a substraction of two other CDFs of function opposite to each other, the change goes thusly: as the variable increases, the first CDF from which the second is substracted increases, while the second decreases |
| 21:13.17 | Imperios | So it ought to be something like "some CDF * 2" |
| 21:13.23 | Imperios | But I can't figure my head around the actual formula |
| 21:13.43 | Ghelae | The CDF itself will always attain a maximum of 1. |
| 21:14.30 | Imperios | Oh wait, yes |
| 21:20.08 | Imperios | Ghelae: What I do not get is where the trail of thought breaks |
| 21:20.23 | Imperios | Density is derived from CDF |
| 21:21.00 | Imperios | The CDF is a difference between two other CDFs |
| 21:21.13 | Imperios | A derivative of a difference is a difference of derivatives |
| 21:21.37 | Imperios | So the density should be the difference of other densities |
| 21:21.45 | Imperios | ...So what here is WRONG |
| 21:24.54 | Ghelae | "The CDF is a difference between two other CDFs" - what you're really describing there is that the CDF is a definite integral of the density. |
| 21:25.56 | Ghelae | While the density is just as much the derivative of the indefinite integral. |
| 21:26.24 | Imperios | No, no, that is not what I mean |
| 21:27.31 | Imperios | The random variable is the area of a circle with the radius equal to another random variable |
| 21:28.45 | Ghelae | So now I see why you wanted to find the density of the variable squared. |
| 21:29.00 | Imperios | Its CDF, "X is less than Pi * x squared", is therefore a difference of two other CDFs derived from that variable |
| 21:29.05 | Imperios | I think we found that out earlier |
| 21:30.21 | Ghelae | Sure; its the CDF for the radius r being -x < r < x. |
| 21:30.42 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtqioaOSx6I |
| 21:30.43 | Ghelae | So if the CDF function is F, then it's F(x) - F(-x). |
| 21:30.55 | Imperios | Yeah that is it |
| 21:31.53 | Imperios | Though the x here is in itself a tiny formula obviously |
| 21:32.26 | Imperios | For the area to be less or equal to x, the radius has to be sqrt(x/pi) |
| 21:32.30 | Imperios | Or something |
| 21:32.38 | Imperios | |x|/pi |
| 21:34.04 | Imperios | Well, as in, - this < r < this |
| 21:34.07 | Ghelae | From where you said "X is less than Pi * x squared" we're using x to mean a radius while X is the area. So X < pi*x^2 -> x > sqrt(X/pi). |
| 21:34.09 | Imperios | *<= |
| 21:34.49 | Ghelae | Or x < -sqrt(X/pi). |
| 21:35.00 | Ghelae | |x| > -sqrt(X/pi) |
| 21:35.42 | Ghelae | Anyway, we have the CDF for "X < pi*x^2" is the CDF for the radius F(x) - F(-x). |
| 21:35.50 | Ghelae | What next? |
| 21:36.27 | Imperios | Wait wait wait, before we go, you sure the radius has to be GREATER than the square root? |
| 21:36.42 | Imperios | It has to be less than the positive square root but greater than the negative one I think |
| 21:36.46 | Imperios | Within that "window" |
| 21:37.56 | Ghelae | x is the limiting value for the radius r = sqrt(X/pi). |
| 21:38.16 | Ghelae | the maximum value* |
| 21:38.51 | Ghelae | So we're saying that r is the radius so that X = pi*r^2, and we want this to be less than pi*x^2. |
| 21:38.51 | Imperios | Right |
| 21:39.27 | Imperios | So we move to density |
| 21:42.54 | Ghelae | The density f is the derivative of F such that f(r) is the derivative of F(r). But it seemed like you were saying f(pi*r^2) = f(x) - f(-x) for r < x. |
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| 21:45.22 | Ghel | ~seen Ghelae |
| 21:45.25 | infobot | ghelae is currently on #cyrannus (6h 54m 43s) #sporewiki (6h 54m 43s). Has said a total of 42 messages. Is idling for 2m 31s, last said: 'The density f is the derivative of F such that f(r) is the derivative of F(r). But it seemed like you were saying f(pi*r^2) = f(x) - f(-x) for r < x.'. |
| 21:45.56 | Imperios | Ghel: The density of the random area |
| 21:46.09 | Imperios | The X |
| 21:46.21 | Ghel | Yes, with X = pi*r^2, r being the random radius. |
| 21:47.19 | Imperios | Alright |
| 21:47.25 | Imperios | Yes, it makes sense |
| 21:51.21 | Imperios | NOOOOOO |
| 21:54.01 | Imperios | Come back Ghelaway |
| 21:54.03 | Imperios | I NEED YOU |
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| 22:01.58 | Monet | Hello |
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| 22:24.50 | Quark8 | Hi. |
| 22:26.47 | Imperios | Hiyas |
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| 22:28.07 | DrodoEmpire | Back |
| 22:28.20 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 22:29.32 | Imperios | Ghel: Right, so what about the density then? |
| 22:29.40 | Imperios | Sorry if I am being needy or something |
| 22:29.43 | Ghel | Imperios: If you want the density function of the area... let's call that g(X). Clearly, g(X) = f(x) + f(-x). |
| 22:29.56 | Imperios | That makes sense |
| 22:30.04 | Ghel | thinks if he was going to say something else |
| 22:30.08 | Imperios | How would one explain that though? |
| 22:30.45 | Ghel | f(r) + f(-r)* |
| 22:31.34 | Ghel | The explanation is that g(X) is the probability of obtaining X = pi*r^2, and this is a result of either obtaining a radius of either r or -r. Hence it is the probability of obtaining either r or -r, which is f(r) + f(-r). |
| 22:32.15 | Ghel | You may have to normalise it again, dividing it by two. |
| 22:32.40 | Ghel | Although that doesn't seem to fit the rest of the explanation. |
| 22:32.41 | Imperios | You sure? |
| 22:33.45 | Ghel | Ah. f(r) as a density function includes both positive and negative values of r. So the division-by-two is going to come in there. |
| 22:35.40 | Ghel | But this is still a function of r, not a function of X. |
| 22:36.37 | Ghel | g(pi*r^2) = 1/2 (f(r) + f(-r)). So I would think g(X) = 1/2 (f(sqrt(A/pi)) + f(-sqrt(A/pi))). |
| 22:36.45 | Ghel | X/pi* |
| 22:37.36 | Ghel | Or in an easier-to-read notation, g(X) = 1/2 (f(r) + f(-r)) where r = sqrt(X/pi). |
| 22:40.14 | Ghel | Hmm. Except f(r) = f(-r). So what you've really got there is, quite simply, g(X) = f(sqrt(X/pi)). |
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| 22:40.26 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 22:41.08 | Imperios | Wormy_: We are drowning in probability theory now |
| 22:41.22 | Imperios | I am not sure why noone in the IRC has complained or asked us to move to PMs |
| 22:41.23 | Wormy_ | Hi |
| 22:41.31 | Imperios | They must secretly enjoy my suffering |
| 22:41.49 | Wormy_ | I've been suffering but with relational databases |
| 22:42.34 | Wormy_ | Also need to progream a tautology checker next week |
| 22:42.41 | Imperios | I've drawn two pretty 1920s girls while working on this |
| 22:42.53 | Imperios | That's an accomplishment |
| 22:43.33 | OluapPlayer | dats not maths |
| 22:43.53 | Ghel | So I think we can cut out most of the intermediate reasoning. |
| 22:44.01 | Imperios | It's something I do to cool my brain off |
| 22:44.13 | Imperios | Mostly got inspired by Alyona's 1920s-ish bob cut |
| 22:44.27 | Ghel | In fact, it's probably better to think of the density for the normal distribution as being a function of r^2, not r, since (when the mean is zero) it's r^2 that appears in the expression. |
| 22:44.33 | Imperios | ...So I basically drew a slightly skinnier Alyona |
| 22:44.51 | Imperios | That's what I am doing |
| 22:44.52 | Ghel | So just replace r^2 in the function with its equivalent, X/pi, to get the density function for X. |
| 22:45.12 | Monet | My silence is from writing essays for most of today. |
| 22:45.16 | Ghel | i.e. g(X) = f(sqrt(X/pi)). Far simpler than all of the text that I just wrote. |
| 22:45.40 | Imperios | Right, remind me, we decided that X is the area, right? |
| 22:45.59 | Ghel | Yes. |
| 22:46.35 | Imperios | Yes, that correlates with my writings, so everything is okay thus far |
| 22:47.18 | Imperios | The density of the area wouldn't just be ONE density of the radius, right? |
| 22:47.25 | Imperios | It's going to be two |
| 22:49.05 | Ghel | Why? |
| 22:50.08 | Ghel | Remember, while the distribution of the radius is normal, the distribution of the area need not be. And we've accounted for that by having X instead of r^2 in the expression for the density function. |
| 22:50.45 | Wormy_ | Impy: I'm curious as to why you are studying probability in Linguistics |
| 22:50.46 | Imperios | Yeah makes sense |
| 22:51.09 | Wormy_ | Where its applied, etc. |
| 22:51.21 | Imperios | Wormy_: One of the tasks of computation linguistics is authorship verification |
| 22:52.08 | Imperios | One would need to look at the statistics of vocabulary used in texts to determines their authorship, amongst other things |
| 22:52.23 | Wormy_ | Ah, so it can compare the similarity of text between authors? https://www.aclweb.org/anthology/R/R15/R15-1012.pdf |
| 22:52.29 | Wormy_ | Right |
| 22:52.32 | Imperios | Apparently so |
| 22:52.44 | Wormy_ | Basically, how Turnitin works |
| 22:52.48 | Imperios | According to our attribution tutor, one of the MOST famous Russian poets might have been a fraud |
| 22:53.10 | Wormy_ | This program that compares student work to check for plagiarism |
| 22:53.54 | Wormy_ | Well, he's took it to the grave now, at least |
| 22:55.11 | Imperios | And now we are going to dig up all the facts about him and the attribution of his texts might as well be the final nail in his coffin |
| 22:55.49 | Imperios | The poet in question is renowned in Russia as a proponent of civil liberties and defender of the people, as well as a master of romance poems |
| 22:56.25 | Imperios | HOWEVER if one looks at his biography it turns out he actually had quite a lot of serfs and, on occasion, bought and sold them, often separating families as the result |
| 22:56.30 | Imperios | As well as losing them in bets |
| 22:56.33 | Wormy_ | But would it have been fraudulent in his day? |
| 22:56.51 | Imperios | Basically what is suggested is that he utilised the work of other poets that worked in his name |
| 22:56.54 | Imperios | Ghostwriters |
| 22:57.08 | Imperios | *who worked under |
| 22:59.37 | Imperios | Also, our tutor claimed that despite the fact that "his" works praised the Russian women, there are some letters that imply that he was in a homosexual relationship with a younger poet whom he apparently used for work |
| 22:59.50 | Imperios | But that might just be our tutor being creepy, he's like that |
| 23:00.20 | Monet | MAybe the man was bisexual |
| 23:00.21 | Imperios | He frequently laments the lack of women on his course and makes dick jokes occasionally |
| 23:00.48 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 23:00.58 | Ghel | I'm going to go now; bye! |
| 23:01.01 | Wormy_ | bye |
| 23:01.01 | Imperios | Bye! |
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| 23:12.45 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 23:13.45 | Liquid_Ink | Hey |
| 23:15.25 | Imperios | Okay the second one was easy |
| 23:15.25 | Imperios | Yay |
| 23:30.39 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 23:32.57 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Time_Lords todays's ayy lmao goes to this |
| 23:37.38 | Hachiman | Fucking ripped straight from Doctor Who lmao |
| 23:42.26 | DrodoEmpire | Oh dear lol |
| 23:59.25 | Charles_Murray | "All of time and space" |
