00:00.11 | Tek0516 | So that guy intentionally makes bad movies, and hates the audience he supposedly makes them for. Fuck that guy. |
00:03.39 | Monet | "you cannot fulfill their ideas from a video game based movie, it's impossible," this is what I love about Warcraft. |
00:04.00 | Monet | Critically it bombed, but by box-office numbers it's done better than any video game adaptation to date |
00:23.55 | Tek0516 | We can focus on critic reviews all we want but box office sales and public ratings are the only thing that really matters in the end. |
00:24.14 | Technobliterator | Uwe Boll, far as I can tell, is a massive jackass |
00:24.20 | Tek0516 | Indeed |
00:33.19 | Tek0516 | Huh. Apparently the Director for Warcraft is David Bowie's son. |
00:35.55 | The_Randomness | f |
00:41.30 | Tek0516 | During production his wife was diagnosed with cancer and his father died of it. Damn. O.o |
00:41.36 | The_Randomness | wow |
00:42.00 | The_Randomness | that's pretty sad |
00:44.56 | Monet | I remember during the film's development a lot of articles mentioned that he's Bowie's son whenever they mentioned Duncan Jones. |
00:50.22 | Hachiman | Yeah, it's a little bit dumb |
00:50.53 | Hachiman | Like, why must Bowie be brought up every time Duncan Jones is written about; he's his own man who is attempting to do his own thing in media |
00:52.04 | Monet | Probably for hits. |
00:52.52 | Monet | They get to come up in searches for David Bowie without talking about David Bowie. |
00:53.35 | Monet | But I agree, I felt sorry for the guy. |
00:54.18 | Monet | There's more to him than the guy who gave us Ziggy Stardust being his dad. |
00:57.18 | DrodoEmpire | ~seen Cyrannian |
00:57.20 | infobot | cyrannian <5628345d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.40.52.93> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 1d 5h 38m 50s ago, saying: 'I don't have Civ VI yet either, though in Civ IV and V, Rome was the one I played most often'. |
01:43.11 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow |
01:43.18 | DrodoEmpire | New vanilla sprites for EUIV |
01:43.22 | DrodoEmpire | And they look great |
01:56.43 | DrodoEmpire | test |
02:00.19 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: A* |
02:00.45 | DrodoEmpire | :> |
02:02.31 | DrodoEmpire | http://i.imgur.com/wet75W5.png - I'm like 4.5 <.< |
02:02.43 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh fuck it. Five >.> |
02:05.49 | DrodoEmpire | http://imgur.com/gallery/nA0t2qi |
02:18.29 | The_Randomness | lol |
02:19.26 | The_Randomness | >League of Losers >_> |
02:19.33 | The_Randomness | I see how it is |
02:20.07 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
02:21.31 | DrodoEmpire | Don't worry, Counter Salt: Globally Offended can't be much farther down >.> |
02:21.38 | The_Randomness | lmao |
02:22.18 | DrodoEmpire | Actually funny I say that, because I swear CSGO is becoming the next CoD |
02:22.23 | DrodoEmpire | In terms of community |
02:22.36 | DrodoEmpire | Jesus its toxic, filled with little shits too |
02:22.58 | The_Randomness | reminds me of the people who bitch and moan about League's community |
02:23.15 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh to be fair MOBAs have a nasty reputation with their communities |
02:23.31 | The_Randomness | Yeah, I get that, but it's almost entirely selection bias |
02:23.32 | DrodoEmpire | Though, I hear from my brother (an avid League fan) that the toxic community's usually in the lower levels |
02:23.42 | DrodoEmpire | And those people get filtered out quickly |
02:23.43 | The_Randomness | That makes sense |
02:23.53 | DrodoEmpire | But the lower levels *are* cancerous, he attests >.< |
02:24.32 | DrodoEmpire | Either way, yeah the CSGO people are coming on to other games too and it can be a bit irritating :p |
02:24.51 | The_Randomness | I think I only get toxic pieces of shit every 20-30 games or so |
02:25.02 | The_Randomness | maybe less |
02:25.30 | DrodoEmpire | I was playing Insurgency, which is like a super-tactical, more realism-focused military shooter and this one guy was clearly fresh from CSGO- seeing as he *constantly* made useless callouts and refused to use his sights :p |
02:25.36 | The_Randomness | lol |
02:25.40 | DrodoEmpire | Fair enough |
02:25.44 | DrodoEmpire | What level are you at? |
02:25.45 | The_Randomness | And typically the ones being toxic are flailing around anyway |
02:25.56 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
02:26.16 | DrodoEmpire | (Also he used to MP40, which automatically singled him out to be a newb <.<) |
02:26.21 | DrodoEmpire | (Shittiest weapon in the game) |
02:26.48 | The_Randomness | Let me check what percentile I'm currently ranked at, even though it isn't the best indicator of where I probably am due to how few ranked matches I played this season |
02:27.14 | The_Randomness | Top 37% (Silver 1, 90 LP) |
02:27.21 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
02:27.41 | The_Randomness | Could've easily gotten gold if I hadn't procrastinated it all summer |
02:27.54 | The_Randomness | Since my normals mmr is around low-mid gold iirc |
02:29.37 | The_Randomness | I even got into my promotion series, but lost partially due to bad luck (one of my teammate's connection went to shit during one of my matches) and me starting to make more unforced errors than usual in the last 1-2 matches |
02:29.54 | The_Randomness | But then I couldn't spend any more time since I had homework to do, rip |
02:30.10 | The_Randomness | But yeah, I don't doubt that the lower levels are more toxic |
02:30.26 | The_Randomness | But I think the "wow the MOBA community is so toxic" is mostly selection bias |
02:30.32 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh yeah |
02:30.34 | DrodoEmpire | Its a meme |
02:30.37 | DrodoEmpire | Stereotype |
02:32.34 | The_Randomness | yeah, unfortunately |
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07:03.32 | ImpyDroid | hi |
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07:59.20 | dino82_ | hi |
08:26.21 | NeonPanda | hi |
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09:02.24 | Groxkiller98 | Hey guys. |
09:14.16 | dino82_ | HI :d |
09:15.45 | Groxkiller98 | You guys good? |
09:16.51 | dino82_ | yeah you? |
09:16.54 | dino82_ | Howz fictoin doing ? |
09:27.40 | Groxkiller98 | Decent. |
09:27.47 | Groxkiller98 | Seen Key'Tara's updates? |
09:28.03 | Groxkiller98 | Gonna commission an image for her after Christmas, I think. |
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09:29.45 | dino82_ | yeah |
09:29.47 | dino82_ | nice |
09:31.29 | Groxkiller98 | Thanks. |
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09:56.35 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
09:59.13 | Groxkiller98 | Just added a Quotes section for Key'Tara. Now I need to get her used. XD |
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10:00.56 | Ghelae | Hello. |
10:01.06 | Groxkiller98 | Heya. |
10:01.22 | Groxkiller98 | Working on Key'Tara some more. :P I wanna get her into some action. |
10:03.04 | dino82_ | what did you have in mind? |
10:04.14 | Groxkiller98 | Not sure at the moment. Maybe some sort of international incident. |
10:09.34 | Groxkiller98 | Perhaps a lost ship in unknown territory. |
10:09.44 | Groxkiller98 | Got lost in a wormhole maybe? |
10:25.16 | dino82_ | sounds intressting! |
10:29.38 | Groxkiller98 | Be back later. Cya. I gotta think. |
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10:36.26 | cyrabot | Hello |
10:37.10 | cyrabot | Had to get up at 5:30, travel all the way to Dublin only to find out when I got there that I have no class ð¡ |
10:41.17 | dino82_ | hi |
10:41.22 | dino82_ | auch |
10:42.19 | cyrabot | Yup, very annoying, I could have been in bed instead l! |
10:43.11 | dino82_ | pff idd |
10:45.06 | cyrabot | How are you today anyway, Dino? |
10:50.32 | dino82_ | Great, can't complain |
10:50.33 | dino82_ | you? |
10:50.36 | dino82_ | Have a day off as well :D |
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10:54.30 | Groxkiller98 | Hai. |
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11:17.13 | dino82_ | hi |
11:19.32 | NeonPanda | on reflection, I don't think there's enuff dakka in the wikiverse |
11:19.36 | NeonPanda | I should do something about this |
11:23.43 | dino82_ | dakka? |
11:27.53 | Liquid_Ink | Onomatopoeia for gunfire. |
11:30.32 | NeonPanda | it's a Warhammer 40'000 thing, one can never have enuff dakka because to say that there's enuff dakka implies that more dakka would be too much dakka, and there's no such thing as too much dakka |
11:32.29 | Groxkiller98 | Dakka! |
11:32.42 | Groxkiller98 | Dakka dakka dakka! - All orks evah. |
11:32.52 | Ghelae | The logic there is flawless. So, of course there isn't enuff dakka in the wikiverse. |
11:33.53 | Groxkiller98 | :3 |
11:34.36 | Groxkiller98 | Stupid 'umies! There needs ta be more dakka! |
11:35.15 | NeonPanda | clearly the answer is we need more dakka, I'm thinking that handheld automatic 20mm self-guiding missile launcher from Cyberpunk2020 is a good start for a sidearm |
11:36.43 | NeonPanda | to be fair though, for many interstellar powers raw dakka is a feasible strategy; with an appropriate supply chain and sufficient means to apply dakka, sheer weight of fire itself could level quite a few playing fields, including the physical playing field |
11:38.02 | Groxkiller98 | Indeed. |
11:38.24 | Groxkiller98 | More dakka is the Mithadorn way of things. Well, that and bigger dakka. |
11:38.33 | Ghelae | The ability to completely ignore the second law of thermodynamics also helps to avoid overheating issues. |
11:38.43 | Groxkiller98 | We need no refined weapons. Just fill them with slugs! |
11:38.54 | Groxkiller98 | Slugs being bullets... |
11:39.44 | Ghelae | Shooting sufficiently large numbers of gastropods at an enemy would also work. |
11:39.49 | Groxkiller98 | True. |
11:40.06 | Groxkiller98 | Radioactive bullets - If the shot doesn't kill them, the radiation will. |
11:40.27 | NeonPanda | Ghelae: sufficiently large numbers, or potentially a sufficiently large gastropod, singular |
11:41.10 | Ghelae | That is another potentially workable alternative, true. |
11:41.34 | Ghelae | Groxkiller98: So e.g. depleted uranium but without the depletion? |
11:42.07 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah. |
11:42.20 | Groxkiller98 | Tipped with tungsten. |
11:42.40 | Groxkiller98 | With the inside of the firing barrel being made of lead. |
11:43.11 | NeonPanda | Ghelae: I think we talked about irradiated rounds way back when, or it might have been myself and Wormy |
11:43.26 | dino82_ | ok |
11:43.31 | dino82_ | dakka it is then Panda :P |
11:43.40 | Groxkiller98 | Dakka! |
11:44.07 | Ghelae | I don't currently remember the conversation, but that doesn't necessarily mean I wasn't involved. |
11:45.50 | Groxkiller98 | I think that was a conversation I started with one of my ships. |
11:45.54 | NeonPanda | Irradiated rounds are a staple for the Circle when they aren't intending to land organics on a particular planet, for the aforementioned reason |
11:46.28 | NeonPanda | that and straight up radiation guns, which do things a bit more directly |
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11:57.49 | Groxkiller98 | Maybe someone can exchange dakka with Key'tara? |
12:09.38 | Ghelae | You make it sound like a polite giving of gifts, perhaps boxes of bullets in wrapped in wrapping paper and ribbons. |
12:12.04 | dino82_ | ok, I almost fell of my chiar this morning in surprise |
12:12.13 | dino82_ | the first christmas song was on the radio :P |
12:12.45 | dino82_ | @Grox: Lookngforward to Key'tara her adventure. Will she also get a spore png? |
12:13.57 | Groxkiller98 | I'm getting her a picture. |
12:14.07 | Groxkiller98 | Not a png - It's gonna be commissioned art. |
12:14.18 | Groxkiller98 | Never managed to make a model for her that I liked. |
12:14.34 | Groxkiller98 | Maybe another time. I need to go though. :| |
12:14.46 | Groxkiller98 | I'll log back on tonight when I can. |
12:15.09 | Groxkiller98 | Cya. |
12:17.17 | dino82_ | ah ok! |
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12:34.06 | Monet | hi |
12:34.48 | NeonPanda | Ghelae: That is quite possibly the best idea I've heard all week. Someone must make this happen in fiction. |
12:36.20 | Hachiman | What's this? |
12:37.01 | NeonPanda | [21:57] <Groxkiller98> Maybe someone can exchange dakka with Key'tara? [22:09] <@Ghelae> You make it sound like a polite giving of gifts, perhaps boxes of bullets in wrapped in wrapping paper and ribbons. |
12:37.12 | NeonPanda | we were talking about dakka, and the fact that 'enuff dakka is logically impossible |
12:38.10 | NeonPanda | inb4 ANZR cybercommando character who is the physical incarnation of the not 'enuff dakka trope |
12:50.40 | Monet | http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/269470772197230038/AB276EEE35025217AB4C7E634F36BDE4A0B8774D/ this was my conclusion of what Asari E-democracy is like |
12:51.45 | Monet | I realised it's possible the Asari did squat during the Reaper war because they spent the entire time arguing internet-style. |
12:52.47 | NeonPanda | heh |
12:52.51 | Monet | Asl o if Asari live for up to a thousand years, wouldn't that mean discussions last much longer? |
12:53.53 | NeonPanda | possibly |
12:56.57 | Monet | Our attempts at internet democracy almost led to an arctic exploration vessel being christened Boaty McBoatface, |
12:57.16 | Monet | It's a hilarious name don't get me wrong. |
12:58.14 | NeonPanda | the problem with internet democracy is that the majority of humanity are utterly stupid when given any modicum of power |
12:59.18 | Monet | Moreso when blessed with anonymity. |
13:01.05 | Monet | An alien species that has a working e-Democracy smells of "humans are inferior". |
13:02.18 | NeonPanda | this reminds me, has the "Humans are the only race that make things better by fucking everything up in Star Trek" conversation happened here? |
13:03.47 | Monet | No I don't think so |
13:05.02 | NeonPanda | tl;dr: the only time you see contemporary technology fucking up is when it's human in nature- the Enterprise has significant equipment faults all the time, compared to say DS9 which has minor faults sure, but the only big thing happened when a human unplugged a memory core and plugged it in somewhere else, |
13:05.33 | NeonPanda | however humans (again, such as the Enterprise' crew) manage to solve all manner of problems by essentially making shit up as they go, and somehow it works |
13:06.33 | Monet | "making shit up as they go" is how a lot of the science works |
13:06.40 | NeonPanda | cue this line from a reddit thread: "Look, last time we gave a human a warp drive, they asked for another one, plugged them into each other, tore a hole in the space-time continuum and ended up in another dimension, |
13:07.02 | NeonPanda | didn't like who they found there so went to war with them, beat them, stole THEIR warp drives, plugged them into each other AGAIN, and came back. |
13:07.32 | NeonPanda | This in an attempt to turn a star into a torus, which SUCCEEDED, and nobody has a clue how! That's why humans are in the Federation- we're scared of what would happen if they weren't!" |
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13:12.06 | Monet | Well...that's one possible answer |
13:44.14 | Tek0516 | Hello |
13:45.41 | dino82_ | hi |
13:49.18 | Monet | hello |
13:53.33 | Hachiman | NeonPanda: Abyssian players need to fucking die |
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14:05.46 | dino82_ | hi |
14:09.36 | Monet | hi |
14:09.59 | dino82_ | howz all doing |
14:16.02 | NeonPanda | heh |
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14:38.49 | Tek0516 | Tomorrow the new Pokemon game is realeased. I'm all hyped for that. :D |
14:38.56 | Tek0516 | Hey Charles_Murray |
14:39.05 | dino82_ | Oh yea pokeomn sun and moon |
14:39.10 | dino82_ | should be coming with new episodes as well |
15:18.03 | dino82_ | Malargras personal Caradhras Class: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/9e/USSGalathyniaLarge.png/revision/latest?cb=20161117151157 |
15:21.40 | dino82_ | bridge of a caradhras class: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Bridge_CaradhrasClass.png |
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15:26.43 | The_Randomness | Hello |
15:27.00 | dino82_ | hi |
15:39.01 | dino82_ | test |
15:51.42 | dino82_ | Finished the story: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tertius_Bellum/Crossing_Line |
15:51.46 | dino82_ | hoe you guys like it :D |
16:10.23 | Hachiman | I'll give it a read soon Dino ^^ |
16:12.20 | dino82_ | Thanks :D |
16:23.53 | Monet | Aurestor - *eye twitches* |
16:25.02 | dino82_ | :d |
16:28.03 | Monet | I imagine Aurestor's quite tense with any possible situation report. |
16:31.26 | dino82_ | yeah I doubthe is happy about this either |
16:31.34 | dino82_ | and Ramseph learned from Rambert |
16:31.37 | dino82_ | jsut stand up and leave :D |
16:39.45 | Monet | Aurestor might also worry about the interdimensional technology falling into less-than-reputable hands |
16:41.20 | dino82_ | understandable |
16:41.32 | dino82_ | the rambo were tempering with somethign they shouldsn't have and were in it over their head |
16:41.50 | dino82_ | luckily there was some aid to sovle it |
16:45.27 | Monet | The Draconis might claim a moral highground but in this case its mostly in part due to cracking the means to ascend. |
16:47.09 | Monet | Aurestor's one of a small number of Draconis who stayed behind to observe, guide and maintain connection to other factions. |
16:48.11 | Monet | So come to think of it it's possible he knew about the failed experiment because he somehow felt or sensed the wave the broad eruption created. |
16:51.52 | dino82_ | he probably would have followed it through his channels |
16:51.54 | dino82_ | and contact |
16:52.05 | dino82_ | and know about the incient and report it back to the Draconid high command |
16:52.10 | Monet | That too. |
16:52.20 | dino82_ | he is a clever draconid and partlydue ot his efforts he got the rambo back to talk in the second Gorge negotioations |
16:52.38 | dino82_ | whether it or not will bring any soluations remains to be seen but there is hope and at least there are talks |
16:53.03 | Monet | I say sensed because the ascension process connected those who underwent the process to hyperspace. |
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16:53.45 | Jepardi | Hi |
16:55.58 | Monet | But viceroies are picked for their talents |
17:12.32 | dino82_ | @Monet: :D |
17:20.37 | Monet | Third time's the charm hopefully |
17:33.30 | dino82_ | well lets see if a second round solves some matters :d |
17:36.36 | dino82_ | bye bye |
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17:48.47 | Wormydroid | Hi |
17:51.14 | Monet | Hi |
18:30.39 | Charles_Murray | test |
18:38.29 | Tek0516 | Charles_Murray: B+ |
18:50.17 | Tek0516 | ...I told this annoying voice thing to turn itself off. The resulting google search was not what I wanted. >.> |
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19:00.32 | Groxkiller98 | Heya. |
19:00.55 | Tek0516 | I have no idea how to disable this feature and have got into a yelling match with my phone's voice search about it. >.> |
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19:07.12 | Groxkiller98 | FFS, my enter key is acting up again! |
19:08.12 | Groxkiller98 | Seriously, I hate my laptop right now... |
19:08.54 | Groxkiller98 | Oh, and have we found a solution yet to Titanpad's shutdown? |
19:09.24 | Groxkiller98 | http://blog.titanpad.com/ |
19:22.12 | Charles_Murray | Tada http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Area_of_Total_Control_(Quadrants) |
19:22.28 | Charles_Murray | Monet Tek0516 ^ |
19:22.37 | Charles_Murray | Also ImpyDroid if he's on |
19:23.41 | Charles_Murray | Groxkiller98 if you're interested |
19:24.23 | ImpyDroid | Hmmm |
19:24.49 | Groxkiller98 | What's it for? |
19:25.04 | Charles_Murray | How do you mean? |
19:26.46 | ImpyDroid | Charles_Murray: Just wanted to say, I made a fancier emblem for RN that you might use |
19:27.27 | Groxkiller98 | What's the page for? It's empty. |
19:27.40 | Charles_Murray | Groxkiller: You're missing a ) |
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19:27.55 | Charles_Murray | Irc is pretty bad at links with parentheses |
19:28.46 | Groxkiller98 | Alright. |
19:28.56 | Charles_Murray | (copy-paste the link directly if you're having trouble) |
19:29.21 | Groxkiller98 | Just waiting for it to load. |
19:29.41 | Charles_Murray | ImpyDroid : What's the link? |
19:32.19 | Groxkiller98 | Hm. I'm interested. The Mithadorn would probably be willing to offer the French Empire support for some political and military support in Exteroris. |
19:32.55 | Groxkiller98 | Plus, getting on one of Andromeda's hyperpower's good sides is probably a good idea. |
19:34.37 | Groxkiller98 | Which galaxy is this place in? |
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19:35.46 | Wormydroid | Hi |
19:35.48 | Monet | QUadrant Galaxies |
19:35.51 | Monet | gu |
19:35.56 | Charles_Murray | The area of total control is in the Quadrants, and these are the main events: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Gorge_Dispute |
19:36.07 | Charles_Murray | I haven't quite finished the history of that page |
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19:36.25 | Charles_Murray | But yeah, France would definitely be open to relations with the Mithadorn |
19:36.37 | Charles_Murray | Also Monet : Let's make fun of the English https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viw5JXopin0 |
19:36.39 | Groxkiller98 | Well then, that's so out of the way, that I have 0 chance of offering support. XD |
19:37.01 | Groxkiller98 | Hey! I'm English here! Don't make fun of me... |
19:37.07 | Groxkiller98 | Make fun of America. |
19:37.15 | Charles_Murray | This is the English making fun of the English :P |
19:37.21 | dino82_ | hi |
19:37.28 | Hachiman | >When the King Enjoys His Own Again |
19:37.36 | Hachiman | Does... Does that mean when the King eats his own shit |
19:37.49 | Charles_Murray | I have no idea, I haven't listened to that one xD |
19:37.56 | Groxkiller98 | ... |
19:39.03 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah, but I can't really take part in that. I'm a tiny nation deep in Exteroris with little in the way of galaxy-spanning travel. |
19:39.55 | Charles_Murray | Groxkiller98 : Xonexi is tied in a vast and interconnected economic, social, political, transportation, and information network which allows the Neutrality Zone to contribute to the Xonexi economy and for the Xonexi economy to fund the Neutrality Zone's economy through investment and inflows of finished industrial goods and etc |
19:40.19 | Charles_Murray | If you hook yourself up to that, you can go pretty much anywhere |
19:40.50 | Groxkiller98 | That doesn't change the fact that the Mithadorn don't have the tech to hook to it in the first place. |
19:41.02 | Monet | They have the PAE |
19:41.14 | Groxkiller98 | I'm not a part of the PAE. |
19:41.23 | Groxkiller98 | Nor have access to PAE tech. |
19:41.47 | Monet | I thought the Mithradorn established contact |
19:41.51 | Groxkiller98 | I'm basically a hermit empire with pirates throwing bricks through my windows on a daily basis. |
19:41.57 | Charles_Murray | That, and they probably have a resource or another they can produce competitively, sell on the Andromedan market, use it to import capabilities, technology, finished goods, and invest in infrastructure |
19:42.11 | Groxkiller98 | We said hello - That's about it. |
19:42.31 | Groxkiller98 | We have Kiridium... That's it. |
19:42.33 | Charles_Murray | Wash, rinse, and repeat until you have enough capital to expand, and keep expanding |
19:42.57 | Groxkiller98 | Though we stole that from the Draekar Remnants... |
19:43.32 | Monet | One thing I learned reading about the Internet: Apple, Microsoft etc. Any big 'innovative' company gets further by marketing than offering something unique. |
19:44.00 | Charles_Murray | This is the resource of choice for a lot of people, it's plentiful in the periphery of galaxies and Xonexi pretty much runs on it: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AAndasium |
19:44.04 | Monet | You don't need some super-unique product or material to be a noticeable force on the markets |
19:45.03 | Charles_Murray | But other resources of value could be anything from steel to food to water to timber to titanium to cash crops or really combination |
19:45.11 | Charles_Murray | any combination * |
19:45.15 | ImpyDroid | Groxkiller98: Yes let's make fun of America |
19:45.30 | ImpyDroid | I remember us having a giant discussion on the refugee crisis |
19:45.44 | ImpyDroid | The eventual consensus was "Fuck America" |
19:46.10 | Monet | Groxkiller98: The thing a lot of the great gig nations need these days is just...stuff to make things really. |
19:46.26 | Wormydroid | You don't even need a large export based economy, the UK is hardly known for exporting much these days |
19:46.28 | Monet | Even food. |
19:46.40 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid DrodoEmpire Charles_Murray Groxkiller98: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15056455_221995901567575_1323874772744905332_n.jpg?oh=3817c6d4e4c929690e2e1b4a2c1b47df&oe=58C64FCB HOLY SHIT |
19:46.42 | dino82_ | @Monet: Yeah, resources to expand and to uphodl their status :D |
19:47.12 | Wormydroid | Maybe tourism, cultural export, amd large imports connect the Mathadorn to the Xonexi alluanxe or whatever |
19:47.23 | Monet | For a small nation like the Mithradorn, an export economy might be a better direction. |
19:47.30 | Wormydroid | All I'm saying is that powers in it don't all need to be power houses |
19:47.33 | Groxkiller98 | We'd probably jump in if asked, and if transportation to the area was given. |
19:47.46 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: It was actually invented by the socialist opponents of the NSDAP during its early days |
19:48.49 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
19:48.50 | Hachiman | Nazi = Nationalsozialistiche |
19:48.58 | Hachiman | Nazis invented the word Nazis |
19:49.03 | Hachiman | Nazi* |
19:49.43 | Monet | The contraction makes sense when the long form is pronounced the German way. |
19:50.46 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Not the contractions |
19:51.02 | ImpyDroid | As far as I am aware at least |
19:51.11 | Hachiman | "Beijing Confirms that Climate Change is Not a Chinese Hoax After All" |
19:51.21 | Charles_Murray | Wormydroid : The UK is not a net exporter because it is a net exporter of capital |
19:51.39 | Hachiman | Sounds like something people who were trying to push the global warming hoax would say |
19:51.46 | Tek0516 | Alright, enough swearing at Google and my phone. Time to actually do stuff. |
19:52.03 | Charles_Murray | In other words, it has a lot of money, buys a lot of stuff from everywhere, and invests in other economies in order to keep getting richer |
19:52.20 | Monet | The UK is a big exporter of knowledge - science, entertainment, technology etc. |
19:52.31 | Monet | Finance too |
19:53.00 | Charles_Murray | Right, it occupies that position because it's already a rich economy |
19:53.15 | Charles_Murray | It structurally wouldn't work if, say, Angola tried to do this |
19:54.22 | Monet | The way Groxkiller describes the Mithradorn I get the picture it's better off being a materials exporter - ores, food, timber etc. than a knowledge exporter. |
19:55.23 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah. Science isn't the strong point - Industry is. |
19:56.38 | Charles_Murray | Monet : ... What do you mean by knowledge exporter? |
19:56.45 | Charles_Murray | I'm not sure that's a thing |
19:57.36 | Monet | As I pointed out, science, finance, entertainment, tertiary and quaternery services. |
19:58.08 | Charles_Murray | Right, but those aren't exports :o |
19:58.18 | Charles_Murray | Except for entertainment, that can be exported |
19:58.34 | Monet | Yeah export might not be the right word. |
20:03.00 | Groxkiller98 | Either way, the Mithadorn are a tiny state with little stakes in the matter. They have a lot to risk, and not a lot to gain, unless France is willing to meet some sort of return. |
20:03.47 | Technobliterator | ImpyDroid, Borealis War? : | |
20:04.05 | Charles_Murray | How do you mean? |
20:08.53 | Groxkiller98 | Well, what would the Mithadorn gain out of sending their military, whom are constantly having to deal with pirates in a lawless segmentum, to a galaxy to fight someone else's war? |
20:13.05 | Groxkiller98 | It's something kinda stupid to go do - And it's you lot usually telling me my logic isn't sound. |
20:17.12 | Monet | You don't have to give soldiers |
20:18.45 | Hachiman | Religion and philosophy can arguably be exported |
20:19.48 | Groxkiller98 | And what could I offer to support France, an empire spanning multiple galaxies, whereas I'm less than 4000 stars strong? |
20:21.01 | Monet | France is also overstretched in directing its industry and military on supporting those multiple-galaxy territories. |
20:22.49 | Groxkiller98 | What's an extra 3000 worlds worth of production really going to affect with that? Not to mention, the Mithadorn can still barely hold it's own where it is. |
20:24.32 | Groxkiller98 | If this were a conflict in Andromeda, I'd have directedi |
20:25.07 | Groxkiller98 | fleets to aid whichever side can aid me most - It'd be a local security issue. |
20:26.03 | Groxkiller98 | The Mithadorn wouldn't even notice if the Xhocdocto decided to make the Area of Total Control stop existing entirely. |
20:26.33 | Monet | You could arguably ask what worth is there in Angola's petroleum exports when the American economy is over 150k greater. economy is |
20:26.49 | Monet | 150x greater* |
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20:27.32 | Groxkiller98 | The Mithadorn are really just a backwater state with nobody but the Teyan and Ankoran - Whom are also tiny and weak/ |
20:27.43 | OluapPlayer | spo |
20:27.56 | Monet | Contributing at all is better than refusing because you believe your contribution will offer nothing |
20:28.24 | Xho | o |
20:28.37 | Monet | Hi |
20:29.02 | Groxkiller98 | I do wanna... But the Mithadorn can't afford it without a guaranteed return. |
20:29.29 | Monet | ...which they'll be getting |
20:29.51 | Monet | In the form of a financial return or favours within the French state |
20:29.57 | Groxkiller98 | Yet that would need to be known up-front. |
20:30.29 | Monet | That's why deals are agreed using contracts. |
20:30.59 | Charles_Murray | Wait, who said France was overstretched? o.O |
20:30.59 | Groxkiller98 | Like... If I'm told exactly what I'd get back, I'd figure out what I can do that's worthwhile. |
20:31.49 | Monet | Groxkiller98: That's pretty much any deal ever unless the deal is a gift from one party to another party |
20:33.28 | Monet | The Marshall Plan wasn't simply "hey Europe here's several billion dollars!" it was an agreement of a cash injection to a war-torn continent where both sides agreed would be used to rebuild infrastructure and industry. With the promise it would eventually be paid back |
20:33.57 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah - I still don't know what I'm being offered back yet though! |
20:34.13 | Monet | That's something you and Charles will need to work out. |
20:34.17 | Xho | >Tigress Dragonblade |
20:34.18 | Charles_Murray | Grox : France isn't actually involved in a conflict anywhere :o What I was proposing earlier was to facilitate the Mithadorn's integration into the Xonexi economy and see them empowered |
20:34.20 | Xho | Did I just see that |
20:34.38 | Groxkiller98 | ...>_> |
20:34.41 | Charles_Murray | Nothing is needed in return |
20:34.44 | Xho | Did I really just see an edit from Tigress Dragonblade on the wiki |
20:34.53 | Groxkiller98 | Who? |
20:34.58 | Xho | Super old user |
20:35.02 | Xho | Like Oluap/Wormy old |
20:35.49 | OluapPlayer | That person does like 2 edits per year |
20:36.00 | Groxkiller98 | Charles... You just cause an entire argument over how I could offer military support to a conflict... THEN tell us you're not actually fighting it? |
20:36.03 | Xho | Well that's the first time I've seen an edit in years |
20:36.27 | Charles_Murray | There is no conflict I don't understand |
20:36.34 | Charles_Murray | No actual armed conflict |
20:36.38 | Charles_Murray | This is all diplomatic |
20:36.49 | Charles_Murray | There's significant arms buildup involved |
20:36.55 | Charles_Murray | but pls read the pages I link |
20:36.59 | dino82_ | Really? Where? |
20:37.02 | dino82_ | :P |
20:37.14 | Charles_Murray | ... |
20:37.34 | Charles_Murray | France - were you aware that you and I were rivals this whole time? |
20:37.38 | Groxkiller98 | I did... |
20:37.55 | Monet | In the sage words of Felix Baumgardner, the biggest thing stopping you from accomplishing your goals is the bullshit story you keep telling yourself. |
20:38.06 | Xho | Technobliterator: is your bot available |
20:38.09 | Groxkiller98 | But this is even less reason to be involved. |
20:38.10 | Technobliterator | Nope |
20:38.13 | Xho | k |
20:38.19 | Technobliterator | I've had massive issues with it |
20:38.21 | Technobliterator | since I changed OS |
20:38.21 | Charles_Murray | Groxkiller98 : What conflict were you referring to? |
20:38.22 | dino82_ | Rambo - So that is what is going on! :P |
20:38.31 | Charles_Murray | France - That explains things. |
20:38.32 | Xho | To what |
20:38.42 | Technobliterator | to Windows 10 |
20:38.44 | Technobliterator | from Ubunut |
20:38.47 | Xho | lol |
20:38.58 | Technobliterator | I need to get Linux in a virtual machine to do bot stuff again |
20:39.00 | Hachiman | ooboonut |
20:39.05 | Xho | I might rehash the Kicath a bit |
20:39.06 | Groxkiller98 | The page you linked - I thought it was a cn |
20:39.08 | Groxkiller98 | conflict. |
20:39.14 | Technobliterator | and all my fun Linux stuff |
20:39.21 | Xho | Mainly because I'm a little bored of brown lizard people |
20:39.38 | Hachiman | Make black lizard people |
20:39.44 | Xho | I might make their appearance a bit closer to the Xi'Arazulha |
20:39.48 | Xho | so yeah |
20:39.49 | Xho | black |
20:40.05 | Xho | Or dark blue |
20:40.33 | Groxkiller98 | Can we clean up Exteroris though? |
20:40.40 | Groxkiller98 | Pirates are annoying. |
20:41.29 | Xho | As for their face, well I don't know what one would classify a Xi'Arazulha's face as |
20:41.34 | Xho | fucked up |
20:41.37 | Monet | 18c European empires - Preach |
20:41.47 | OluapPlayer | No face |
20:41.55 | Xho | Xi'Arazulha - |> |
20:41.57 | Xho | hey that works |
20:41.58 | Xho | gg |
20:42.23 | Xho | Eh let's see what happens |
20:42.24 | Charles_Murray | You could make the case to French Andromeda that the region is rich in andasium and have the French Andromedan military come in, help you sweep the place up, and then allow them to harvest andasium around your territory in exchange for rents |
20:42.34 | Charles_Murray | Which would then provide a source of income |
20:42.56 | Groxkiller98 | Hm. That's an idea... |
20:42.56 | Monet | Or any PAE member |
20:43.06 | Charles_Murray | French Andromeda - I got here first |
20:43.11 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
20:43.15 | Monet | PAE - Our galaxy tho |
20:43.27 | Charles_Murray | French Andromeda - I'm a member of the PAE dum |
20:43.35 | Charles_Murray | France - I sit on the Highlord Council |
20:43.48 | Groxkiller98 | Oh, Xho, I was wondering if you'd help me with a fiction. |
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20:44.13 | Technobliterator | I vote we switch to PiratePad |
20:44.17 | Technobliterator | It's way faster than TitanPad |
20:44.48 | Groxkiller98 | Titanpad is shutting down, so vote passed. |
20:44.51 | Groxkiller98 | :P |
20:46.08 | Groxkiller98 | Furthermore, I think we need a private Etherpad domain. |
20:46.23 | OluapPlayer_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Borealis_Galactic_War/Part_1#The_War_Spreads bees |
20:46.38 | Technobliterator | Private etherpad domaind would be extremely difficult to maintain |
20:47.41 | Xho | Monet: Dominion - nogalaxy.avi |
20:48.04 | Xho | Groxkiller98: Well you can message me but I won't reply soon |
20:48.21 | Groxkiller98 | kk - Here or on the wikia? |
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20:48.29 | Xho | Wiki would be best |
20:49.44 | NeonPanda | Technobliterator: am I the only one thinking of a 70's bachelor house with a pirate theme when people say piratepad? |
20:49.56 | Technobliterator | :P |
20:50.03 | Technobliterator | yeah, I thought the name was weird as well |
20:50.27 | Groxkiller98 | Well, it works, with Titanpad shutting down. |
20:51.38 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:High_General_Key%27Tara |
20:52.02 | Groxkiller98 | Someone give me something for her to burn. |
20:52.51 | Wormy_ | Microsoft Travel recommends me to visit "world's most dangerous tropical island" O_o |
20:53.41 | Groxkiller98 | >_> |
20:57.01 | OluapPlayer_ | Technobliterator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnzQFERaDsg |
20:59.32 | Technobliterator | hahahaha |
21:05.53 | NeonPanda | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Antaro_Kirkpatrick Heh, I did make an ANZR character, now I should make him more dakka |
21:07.02 | NeonPanda | I could not have written that in a more Australian manner |
21:07.16 | Groxkiller98 | Dakka! |
21:07.45 | Groxkiller98 | Dakka, dakka, dakka, dakka, da-You get the point. |
21:09.14 | NeonPanda | now he just needs some more guns, because a man-portable gatling miniature hyperlaser isn't dakka enough |
21:10.25 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
21:10.37 | Groxkiller98 | There is never enough dakka |
21:11.12 | dino82_ | DAKKA :D |
21:11.32 | dino82_ | bye bye |
21:12.05 | Groxkiller98 | We need bigger dakka! |
21:14.07 | NeonPanda | I know myself well because I still chuckle at the idea that they gave him a weapon that powerful in the hope that it would blow him up quietly somewhere |
21:15.39 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
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21:26.11 | Groxkiller98 | Back. |
21:27.25 | Groxkiller98 | Murray, can you pm me? I can't see who's on from my phone. |
21:28.21 | Groxkiller98 | Again? I accidentally closed it. >_> Phone isn't perfect. |
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21:29.26 | Groxkiller98 | Ah, got the list of users back. |
21:29.58 | OluapPlayer_ | ~slap Cyrannian |
21:29.58 | infobot | ACTION slaps Cyrannian, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
21:30.14 | Xho | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/ae/Kicath2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20161117212959 +100% creepy |
21:30.34 | Groxkiller98 | All Xhodocto related things are creepy. |
21:30.36 | Xho | The only thing I changed was the head really |
21:30.45 | Groxkiller98 | Most Xho related things are. |
21:30.57 | Groxkiller98 | :P |
21:32.19 | Xho | Bearing in mind they're still reptilian-ish underneath i.e. they still have jaws and teeth |
21:32.24 | Cyrannian | ~punch OluapPlayer_ |
21:32.24 | infobot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches OluapPlayer_ right on the nose |
21:32.48 | Monet | That's a very different head |
21:32.57 | OluapPlayer_ | no mouth fac |
21:32.59 | OluapPlayer_ | e |
21:33.13 | Xho | The more alien they look the more suiting it is to their personality I think |
21:35.47 | Xho | They look more like a hyperpowered not to be fucked with kind of alien now rather than a tall lizard |
21:36.26 | Groxkiller98 | Agreed. |
21:36.48 | Groxkiller98 | Key'Tara would probably still introduce it's head to her flamethrower, though. |
21:38.06 | Monet | +5 Lovecraft |
21:38.53 | OluapPlayer_ | Is that a mask or their face though |
21:39.15 | Xho | More their face than not |
21:39.23 | Xho | They still have a reptilian set of jaws underneath their face |
21:39.39 | OluapPlayer_ | Where though, there's no mouth there |
21:39.45 | Xho | under their face |
21:39.46 | Xho | silly |
21:39.51 | OluapPlayer_ | So on the chin |
21:40.04 | Xho | [21:39] <Xho> under their face |
21:40.06 | Xho | y u no get dis |
21:40.15 | OluapPlayer_ | cus ur not makin sense |
21:40.23 | Xho | It's literally underneath their face |
21:40.30 | Groxkiller98 | It's under the skin? |
21:40.38 | Xho | Think of the face as a crown or their forehead |
21:40.51 | OluapPlayer_ | Nevermind |
21:40.57 | Groxkiller98 | Remember; It's Xho, logic need not apply to his omnipotent creations. |
21:40.59 | Monet | A handy shield for Paclernos' harsh weather |
21:41.12 | Xho | Eh I might do a sketch if I've got the means |
21:41.33 | Xho | But yes it's basically a shield |
21:41.44 | Xho | With eyes |
21:42.20 | Xho | What appears to be the face on their head is actually their forehead, the jaws sit parallel to it |
21:42.31 | Monet | Cool |
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21:42.51 | Xho | Which suggests the Kicath don't have very good biting power |
21:42.58 | The_Randomness | Hello |
21:43.05 | Xho | Hi |
21:43.19 | Monet | I do sometimes believe that tier 2 or 1 empires would have a Lovecraftian sense to them. |
21:43.48 | Xho | Unless their necks are structured so that their lower jaw is static and their heads move but that's a little weird |
21:44.26 | Xho | Reminds me of the Canadians from South Park as well so |
21:44.54 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
21:46.03 | Xho | That might give them slightly better biting power if their muscles on their neck are structured so |
21:46.28 | Xho | So I imagine the Kicath probably have a very meticulous tongue |
21:46.36 | Wormy_ | nut crackers |
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21:48.26 | Groxkiller98_ | >_> Phone decided to reset the window on me. |
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21:50.47 | Groxkiller98__ | Don't link me things... That causes my window to reset. |
21:51.00 | Groxkiller98__ | And now there are three of me... |
21:51.10 | The_Randomness | Doesn't it only do that if you click on the link though? |
21:51.22 | Groxkiller98__ | I did. |
21:51.27 | Groxkiller98__ | That's why I reset... |
21:51.31 | Groxkiller98__ | Again. |
21:52.23 | Xho | I need a top quote for the Kicath now |
21:52.33 | Xho | inb4 "really dickish and weird" |
21:52.55 | Groxkiller98__ | XD |
22:03.58 | Monet | Xho: How much have they changed since the last quotes offered? |
22:04.11 | Xho | Not much really |
22:04.22 | Xho | They're probably more amoral than not |
22:07.21 | Groxkiller98__ | What would happen if we got an Xhodocto drunk? |
22:08.03 | Xho | Nothing |
22:08.09 | Groxkiller98__ | Awh |
22:08.13 | Xho | That's like pouring a bottle of whiskey into the void of space |
22:08.14 | Groxkiller98__ | Almost a shame. |
22:08.23 | Xho | whisky even |
22:08.37 | Groxkiller98__ | I'd love to see one of them stumbling around in a drunken daze. |
22:08.56 | Xho | Santorakh would be the only one to perhaps emulate inebriation |
22:09.11 | Xho | Although with that level of whimsicality there's no telling |
22:09.37 | Groxkiller98__ | Santorakh is both amazing and terrifying. |
22:09.55 | Groxkiller98__ | I would totally summon him if I could, just to see his reaction. |
22:10.13 | Groxkiller98__ | Knowing him... It'd be anything. |
22:12.00 | Groxkiller98__ | Night all. |
22:16.17 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Kicath Kind of updated |
22:19.23 | Monet | "although it is known the Kicath have a disdain for races less intellectually evolved as themselves." I kind of love how un-polite the gigaquadrant is |
22:20.18 | Monet | Give me a few minutes and I can offer a quote |
22:57.59 | Monet | Xho: One thing that all life craves is organisation. A sense of order and structure to the universe. Whether it is their long life or divine heritage, the Kicath pursue this idea to a greater degree than many others. Unfortunately for some they like to maintain this perception with purging those who do not factor into the smooth operation of this great mechanism of theirs" |
22:58.26 | Monet | -of theirs |
22:59.36 | Xho | That works |
23:00.45 | Monet | https://assets.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cb189183d0d2482f9e67d644347d104d-c?convert_to_webp=true now that's thinking outside the box |
23:01.13 | Xho | heh |
23:02.14 | Xho | You know I just made a link in fiction without realising it |
23:02.23 | Xho | Krathazhrukhal -> Vi'Navitum - > Kicath |
23:02.26 | Xho | it all makes sense |
23:08.33 | Monet | Wow |
23:09.24 | Monet | That does explain a lot |
23:11.37 | Xho | Kicath logic is actually Xhodocto logic |
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23:21.22 | Monet | Again makes me think a Type 2.5 or Type 3 civilisation will have an alien understanding of the universe t ous |
23:23.31 | Monet | The Kicath seem the sort who find the idea of neoliberalism somewhat counterproductive |
23:30.34 | Monet | Its merely a perspective but I like aliens or advanced societies that don't have modern values. |
23:31.57 | Monet | Social norms change. Expectations change. 50 years from now there's going to be something our generation will be accused of backwards thinking for |
23:35.35 | Xho | Selfies |
23:43.04 | Monet | if I understand right, the internet has been pivotal in the spread of once-fringe ideas like otherkin, Neomarxism or gender fluidity |
23:44.34 | Monet | Smartphones, social media and of course selfies have encouraged even ordinary peopel to adopt a branded identity (looking at yo uRich Kids of Instagram) |
23:45.31 | Monet | Which makes me wonder if this is all in the last 20 years, how fundamentally different from modern perceptions will an empire of a million worlds and a hundred different biologies be?. |
23:49.03 | Xho | Not something the human mind can understand really |
23:50.02 | Monet | Exactly |
23:50.24 | Monet | It could be that these empires have to deal with the planetary equivalent of nationalists. |
23:50.52 | Xho | Kicath - #destroy |
23:50.58 | Monet | Colonists and settlers who see themselves as citizens of [colony] first, [homeworld] citizens second |
23:57.33 | Monet | This is why I've happily entertained the paragavatus is perceived as semi-divine. |
23:59.09 | Monet | The sheer height of the DI's social hierarchy, and the distance between Alcanti and the colonies dwarfs the comparative scales of today. So the paragon is *far* higher a position than any modenr head of state. |
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