IRC log for #sporewiki on 20161117

00:00.11Tek0516So that guy intentionally makes bad movies, and hates the audience he supposedly makes them for. Fuck that guy.
00:03.39Monet"you cannot fulfill their ideas from a video game based movie, it's impossible," this is what I love about Warcraft.
00:04.00MonetCritically it bombed, but by box-office numbers it's done better than any video game adaptation to date
00:23.55Tek0516We can focus on critic reviews all we want but box office sales and public ratings are the only thing that really matters in the end.
00:24.14TechnobliteratorUwe Boll, far as I can tell, is a massive jackass
00:24.20Tek0516Indeed
00:33.19Tek0516Huh. Apparently the Director for Warcraft is David Bowie's son.
00:35.55The_Randomnessf
00:41.30Tek0516During production his wife was diagnosed with cancer and his father died of it. Damn. O.o
00:41.36The_Randomnesswow
00:42.00The_Randomnessthat's pretty sad
00:44.56MonetI remember during the film's development a lot of articles mentioned that he's Bowie's son whenever they mentioned Duncan Jones.
00:50.22HachimanYeah, it's a little bit dumb
00:50.53HachimanLike, why must Bowie be brought up every time Duncan Jones is written about; he's his own man who is attempting to do his own thing in media
00:52.04MonetProbably for hits.
00:52.52MonetThey get to come up in searches for David Bowie without talking about David Bowie.
00:53.35MonetBut I agree, I felt sorry for the guy.
00:54.18MonetThere's more to him than the guy who gave us Ziggy Stardust being his dad.
00:57.18DrodoEmpire~seen Cyrannian
00:57.20infobotcyrannian <5628345d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.40.52.93> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 1d 5h 38m 50s ago, saying: 'I don't have Civ VI yet either, though in Civ IV and V, Rome was the one I played most often'.
01:43.11DrodoEmpireOh wow
01:43.18DrodoEmpireNew vanilla sprites for EUIV
01:43.22DrodoEmpireAnd they look great
01:56.43DrodoEmpiretest
02:00.19Tek0516DrodoEmpire: A*
02:00.45DrodoEmpire:>
02:02.31DrodoEmpirehttp://i.imgur.com/wet75W5.png - I'm like 4.5 <.<
02:02.43DrodoEmpireEhh fuck it. Five >.>
02:05.49DrodoEmpirehttp://imgur.com/gallery/nA0t2qi
02:18.29The_Randomnesslol
02:19.26The_Randomness>League of Losers  >_>
02:19.33The_RandomnessI see how it is
02:20.07DrodoEmpireayy lmao
02:21.31DrodoEmpireDon't worry, Counter Salt: Globally Offended can't be much farther down >.>
02:21.38The_Randomnesslmao
02:22.18DrodoEmpireActually funny I say that, because I swear CSGO is becoming the next CoD
02:22.23DrodoEmpireIn terms of community
02:22.36DrodoEmpireJesus its toxic, filled with little shits too
02:22.58The_Randomnessreminds me of the people who bitch and moan about League's community
02:23.15DrodoEmpireEhh to be fair MOBAs have a nasty reputation with their communities
02:23.31The_RandomnessYeah, I get that, but it's almost entirely selection bias
02:23.32DrodoEmpireThough, I hear from my brother (an avid League fan) that the toxic community's usually in the lower levels
02:23.42DrodoEmpireAnd those people get filtered out quickly
02:23.43The_RandomnessThat makes sense
02:23.53DrodoEmpireBut the lower levels *are* cancerous, he attests >.<
02:24.32DrodoEmpireEither way, yeah the CSGO people are coming on to other games too and it can be a bit irritating :p
02:24.51The_RandomnessI think I only get toxic pieces of shit every 20-30 games or so
02:25.02The_Randomnessmaybe less
02:25.30DrodoEmpireI was playing Insurgency, which is like a super-tactical, more realism-focused military shooter and this one guy was clearly fresh from CSGO- seeing as he *constantly* made useless callouts and refused to use his sights :p
02:25.36The_Randomnesslol
02:25.40DrodoEmpireFair enough
02:25.44DrodoEmpireWhat level are you at?
02:25.45The_RandomnessAnd typically the ones being toxic are flailing around anyway
02:25.56DrodoEmpireAhh
02:26.16DrodoEmpire(Also he used to MP40, which automatically singled him out to be a newb <.<)
02:26.21DrodoEmpire(Shittiest weapon in the game)
02:26.48The_RandomnessLet me check what percentile I'm currently ranked at, even though it isn't the best indicator of where I probably am due to how few ranked matches I played this season
02:27.14The_RandomnessTop 37% (Silver 1, 90 LP)
02:27.21DrodoEmpireAhh
02:27.41The_RandomnessCould've easily gotten gold if I hadn't procrastinated it all summer
02:27.54The_RandomnessSince my normals mmr is around low-mid gold iirc
02:29.37The_RandomnessI even got into my promotion series, but lost partially due to bad luck (one of my teammate's connection went to shit during one of my matches) and me starting to make more unforced errors than usual in the last 1-2 matches
02:29.54The_RandomnessBut then I couldn't spend any more time since I had homework to do, rip
02:30.10The_RandomnessBut yeah, I don't doubt that the lower levels are more toxic
02:30.26The_RandomnessBut I think the "wow the MOBA community is so toxic" is mostly selection bias
02:30.32DrodoEmpireEhh yeah
02:30.34DrodoEmpireIts a meme
02:30.37DrodoEmpireStereotype
02:32.34The_Randomnessyeah, unfortunately
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07:03.32ImpyDroidhi
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07:59.20dino82_hi
08:26.21NeonPandahi
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09:02.24Groxkiller98Hey guys.
09:14.16dino82_HI :d
09:15.45Groxkiller98You guys good?
09:16.51dino82_yeah you?
09:16.54dino82_Howz fictoin doing ?
09:27.40Groxkiller98Decent.
09:27.47Groxkiller98Seen Key'Tara's updates?
09:28.03Groxkiller98Gonna commission an image for her after Christmas, I think.
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09:29.45dino82_yeah
09:29.47dino82_nice
09:31.29Groxkiller98Thanks.
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09:56.35ImpyDroidHi
09:59.13Groxkiller98Just added a Quotes section for Key'Tara. Now I need to get her used. XD
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10:00.56GhelaeHello.
10:01.06Groxkiller98Heya.
10:01.22Groxkiller98Working on Key'Tara some more. :P I wanna get her into some action.
10:03.04dino82_what did you  have in mind?
10:04.14Groxkiller98Not sure at the moment. Maybe some sort of international incident.
10:09.34Groxkiller98Perhaps a lost ship in unknown territory.
10:09.44Groxkiller98Got lost in a wormhole maybe?
10:25.16dino82_sounds intressting!
10:29.38Groxkiller98Be back later. Cya. I gotta think.
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10:36.26cyrabotHello
10:37.10cyrabotHad to get up at 5:30, travel all the way to Dublin only to find out when I got there that I have no class 😡
10:41.17dino82_hi
10:41.22dino82_auch
10:42.19cyrabotYup, very annoying, I could have been in bed instead l!
10:43.11dino82_pff idd
10:45.06cyrabotHow are you today anyway, Dino?
10:50.32dino82_Great, can't complain
10:50.33dino82_you?
10:50.36dino82_Have a day off as well :D
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10:54.30Groxkiller98Hai.
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11:17.13dino82_hi
11:19.32NeonPandaon reflection, I don't think there's enuff dakka in the wikiverse
11:19.36NeonPandaI should do something about this
11:23.43dino82_dakka?
11:27.53Liquid_InkOnomatopoeia for gunfire.
11:30.32NeonPandait's a Warhammer 40'000 thing, one can never have enuff dakka because to say that there's enuff dakka implies that more dakka would be too much dakka, and there's no such thing as too much dakka
11:32.29Groxkiller98Dakka!
11:32.42Groxkiller98Dakka dakka dakka! - All orks evah.
11:32.52GhelaeThe logic there is flawless. So, of course there isn't enuff dakka in the wikiverse.
11:33.53Groxkiller98:3
11:34.36Groxkiller98Stupid 'umies! There needs ta be more dakka!
11:35.15NeonPandaclearly the answer is we need more dakka, I'm thinking that handheld automatic 20mm self-guiding missile launcher from Cyberpunk2020 is a good start for a sidearm
11:36.43NeonPandato be fair though, for many interstellar powers raw dakka is a feasible strategy; with an appropriate supply chain and sufficient means to apply dakka, sheer weight of fire itself could level quite a few playing fields, including the physical playing field
11:38.02Groxkiller98Indeed.
11:38.24Groxkiller98More dakka is the Mithadorn way of things. Well, that and bigger dakka.
11:38.33GhelaeThe ability to completely ignore the second law of thermodynamics also helps to avoid overheating issues.
11:38.43Groxkiller98We need no refined weapons. Just fill them with slugs!
11:38.54Groxkiller98Slugs being bullets...
11:39.44GhelaeShooting sufficiently large numbers of gastropods at an enemy would also work.
11:39.49Groxkiller98True.
11:40.06Groxkiller98Radioactive bullets - If the shot doesn't kill them, the radiation will.
11:40.27NeonPandaGhelae: sufficiently large numbers, or potentially a sufficiently large gastropod, singular
11:41.10GhelaeThat is another potentially workable alternative, true.
11:41.34GhelaeGroxkiller98: So e.g. depleted uranium but without the depletion?
11:42.07Groxkiller98Yeah.
11:42.20Groxkiller98Tipped with tungsten.
11:42.40Groxkiller98With the inside of the firing barrel being made of lead.
11:43.11NeonPandaGhelae: I think we talked about irradiated rounds way back when, or it might have been myself and Wormy
11:43.26dino82_ok
11:43.31dino82_dakka it is then Panda :P
11:43.40Groxkiller98Dakka!
11:44.07GhelaeI don't currently remember the conversation, but that doesn't necessarily mean I wasn't involved.
11:45.50Groxkiller98I think that was a conversation I started with one of my ships.
11:45.54NeonPandaIrradiated rounds are a staple for the Circle when they aren't intending to land organics on a particular planet, for the aforementioned reason
11:46.28NeonPandathat and straight up radiation guns, which do things a bit more directly
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11:57.49Groxkiller98Maybe someone can exchange dakka with Key'tara?
12:09.38GhelaeYou make it sound like a polite giving of gifts, perhaps boxes of bullets in wrapped in wrapping paper and ribbons.
12:12.04dino82_ok, I almost fell of my chiar this morning in surprise
12:12.13dino82_the first christmas song was on the radio :P
12:12.45dino82_@Grox: Lookngforward to Key'tara her adventure. Will she also get a spore png?
12:13.57Groxkiller98I'm getting her a picture.
12:14.07Groxkiller98Not a png - It's gonna be commissioned art.
12:14.18Groxkiller98Never managed to make a model for her that I liked.
12:14.34Groxkiller98Maybe another time. I need to go though. :|
12:14.46Groxkiller98I'll log back on tonight when I can.
12:15.09Groxkiller98Cya.
12:17.17dino82_ah ok!
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12:34.06Monethi
12:34.48NeonPandaGhelae: That is quite possibly the best idea I've heard all week. Someone must make this happen in fiction.
12:36.20HachimanWhat's this?
12:37.01NeonPanda[21:57] <Groxkiller98> Maybe someone can exchange dakka with Key'tara? [22:09] <@Ghelae> You make it sound like a polite giving of gifts, perhaps boxes of bullets in wrapped in wrapping paper and ribbons.
12:37.12NeonPandawe were talking about dakka, and the fact that 'enuff dakka is logically impossible
12:38.10NeonPandainb4 ANZR cybercommando character who is the physical incarnation of the not 'enuff dakka trope
12:50.40Monethttp://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/269470772197230038/AB276EEE35025217AB4C7E634F36BDE4A0B8774D/ this was my conclusion of what Asari E-democracy is like
12:51.45MonetI realised it's possible the Asari did squat during the Reaper war because they spent the entire time arguing internet-style.
12:52.47NeonPandaheh
12:52.51MonetAsl o if Asari live for up to a thousand years, wouldn't that mean discussions last much longer?
12:53.53NeonPandapossibly
12:56.57MonetOur attempts at internet democracy almost led to an arctic exploration vessel being christened Boaty McBoatface,
12:57.16MonetIt's a hilarious name don't get me wrong.
12:58.14NeonPandathe problem with internet democracy is that the majority of humanity are utterly stupid when given any modicum of power
12:59.18MonetMoreso when blessed with anonymity.
13:01.05MonetAn alien species that has a working e-Democracy smells of "humans are inferior".
13:02.18NeonPandathis reminds me, has the "Humans are the only race that make things better by fucking everything up in Star Trek" conversation happened here?
13:03.47MonetNo I don't think so
13:05.02NeonPandatl;dr: the only time you see contemporary technology fucking up is when it's human in nature- the Enterprise has significant equipment faults all the time, compared to say DS9 which has minor faults sure, but the only big thing happened when a human unplugged a memory core and plugged it in somewhere else,
13:05.33NeonPandahowever humans (again, such as the Enterprise' crew) manage to solve all manner of problems by essentially making shit up as they go, and somehow it works
13:06.33Monet"making shit up as they go" is how a lot of the science works
13:06.40NeonPandacue this line from a reddit thread: "Look, last time we gave a human a warp drive, they asked for another one, plugged them into each other, tore a hole in the space-time continuum and ended up in another dimension,
13:07.02NeonPandadidn't like who they found there so went to war with them, beat them, stole THEIR warp drives, plugged them into each other AGAIN, and came back.
13:07.32NeonPandaThis in an attempt to turn a star into a torus, which SUCCEEDED, and nobody has a clue how! That's why humans are in the Federation- we're scared of what would happen if they weren't!"
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13:12.06MonetWell...that's one possible answer
13:44.14Tek0516Hello
13:45.41dino82_hi
13:49.18Monethello
13:53.33HachimanNeonPanda: Abyssian players need to fucking die
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14:05.46dino82_hi
14:09.36Monethi
14:09.59dino82_howz all doing
14:16.02NeonPandaheh
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14:38.49Tek0516Tomorrow the new Pokemon game is realeased. I'm all hyped for that. :D
14:38.56Tek0516Hey Charles_Murray
14:39.05dino82_Oh yea pokeomn sun and moon
14:39.10dino82_should be coming with new episodes as well
15:18.03dino82_Malargras personal Caradhras Class: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/9e/USSGalathyniaLarge.png/revision/latest?cb=20161117151157
15:21.40dino82_bridge of a caradhras class: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Bridge_CaradhrasClass.png
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15:26.43The_RandomnessHello
15:27.00dino82_hi
15:39.01dino82_test
15:51.42dino82_Finished the story: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tertius_Bellum/Crossing_Line
15:51.46dino82_hoe you guys like it :D
16:10.23HachimanI'll give it a read soon Dino ^^
16:12.20dino82_Thanks :D
16:23.53MonetAurestor - *eye twitches*
16:25.02dino82_:d
16:28.03MonetI imagine Aurestor's quite tense with any possible situation report.
16:31.26dino82_yeah I doubthe is happy about this either
16:31.34dino82_and Ramseph learned from Rambert
16:31.37dino82_jsut stand up and leave :D
16:39.45MonetAurestor might also worry about the interdimensional technology falling into less-than-reputable hands
16:41.20dino82_understandable
16:41.32dino82_the rambo were tempering with somethign they shouldsn't have and were in it over their head
16:41.50dino82_luckily there was some aid to sovle it
16:45.27MonetThe Draconis might claim a moral highground but in this case its mostly in part due to cracking the means to ascend.
16:47.09MonetAurestor's one of a small number of Draconis who stayed behind to observe, guide and maintain connection to other factions.
16:48.11MonetSo come to think of it it's possible he knew about the failed experiment because he somehow felt or sensed the wave the broad eruption created.
16:51.52dino82_he probably would have followed it through his channels
16:51.54dino82_and contact
16:52.05dino82_and know about the incient and report it back to the Draconid high command
16:52.10MonetThat too.
16:52.20dino82_he is a clever draconid and partlydue ot his efforts he got the rambo back to talk in the second Gorge negotioations
16:52.38dino82_whether it or not will bring any soluations remains to be seen but there is hope and at least there are talks
16:53.03MonetI say sensed because the ascension process connected those who underwent the process to hyperspace.
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16:53.45JepardiHi
16:55.58MonetBut viceroies are picked for their talents
17:12.32dino82_@Monet: :D
17:20.37MonetThird time's the charm hopefully
17:33.30dino82_well lets see if a second round solves some matters :d
17:36.36dino82_bye bye
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17:48.47WormydroidHi
17:51.14MonetHi
18:30.39Charles_Murraytest
18:38.29Tek0516Charles_Murray: B+
18:50.17Tek0516...I told this annoying voice thing to turn itself off. The resulting google search was not what I wanted. >.>
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19:00.32Groxkiller98Heya.
19:00.55Tek0516I have no idea how to disable this feature and have got into a yelling match with my phone's voice search about it. >.>
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19:07.12Groxkiller98FFS, my enter key is acting up again!
19:08.12Groxkiller98Seriously, I hate my laptop right now...
19:08.54Groxkiller98Oh, and have we found a solution yet to Titanpad's shutdown?
19:09.24Groxkiller98http://blog.titanpad.com/
19:22.12Charles_MurrayTada http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Area_of_Total_Control_(Quadrants)
19:22.28Charles_MurrayMonet Tek0516 ^
19:22.37Charles_MurrayAlso ImpyDroid if he's on
19:23.41Charles_MurrayGroxkiller98 if you're interested
19:24.23ImpyDroidHmmm
19:24.49Groxkiller98What's it for?
19:25.04Charles_MurrayHow do you mean?
19:26.46ImpyDroidCharles_Murray: Just wanted to say, I made a fancier emblem for RN that you might use
19:27.27Groxkiller98What's the page for? It's empty.
19:27.40Charles_MurrayGroxkiller: You're missing a )
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19:27.55Charles_MurrayIrc is pretty bad at links with parentheses
19:28.46Groxkiller98Alright.
19:28.56Charles_Murray(copy-paste the link directly if you're having trouble)
19:29.21Groxkiller98Just waiting for it to load.
19:29.41Charles_MurrayImpyDroid : What's the link?
19:32.19Groxkiller98Hm. I'm interested. The Mithadorn would probably be willing to offer the French Empire support for some political and military support in Exteroris.
19:32.55Groxkiller98Plus, getting on one of Andromeda's hyperpower's good sides is probably a good idea.
19:34.37Groxkiller98Which galaxy is this place in?
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19:35.46WormydroidHi
19:35.48MonetQUadrant Galaxies
19:35.51Monetgu
19:35.56Charles_MurrayThe area of total control is in the Quadrants, and these are the main events: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Gorge_Dispute
19:36.07Charles_MurrayI haven't quite finished the history of that page
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19:36.25Charles_MurrayBut yeah, France would definitely be open to relations with the Mithadorn
19:36.37Charles_MurrayAlso Monet : Let's make fun of the English https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viw5JXopin0
19:36.39Groxkiller98Well then, that's so out of the way, that I have 0 chance of offering support. XD
19:37.01Groxkiller98Hey! I'm English here! Don't make fun of me...
19:37.07Groxkiller98Make fun of America.
19:37.15Charles_MurrayThis is the English making fun of the English :P
19:37.21dino82_hi
19:37.28Hachiman>When the King Enjoys His Own Again
19:37.36HachimanDoes... Does that mean when the King eats his own shit
19:37.49Charles_MurrayI have no idea, I haven't listened to that one xD
19:37.56Groxkiller98...
19:39.03Groxkiller98Yeah, but I can't really take part in that. I'm a tiny nation deep in Exteroris with little in the way of galaxy-spanning travel.
19:39.55Charles_MurrayGroxkiller98 : Xonexi is tied in a vast and interconnected economic, social, political, transportation, and information network which allows the Neutrality Zone to contribute to the Xonexi economy and for the Xonexi economy to fund the Neutrality Zone's economy through investment and inflows of finished industrial goods and etc
19:40.19Charles_MurrayIf you hook yourself up to that, you can go pretty much anywhere
19:40.50Groxkiller98That doesn't change the fact that the Mithadorn don't have the tech to hook to it in the first place.
19:41.02MonetThey have the PAE
19:41.14Groxkiller98I'm not a part of the PAE.
19:41.23Groxkiller98Nor have access to PAE tech.
19:41.47MonetI thought the Mithradorn established contact
19:41.51Groxkiller98I'm basically a hermit empire with pirates throwing bricks through my windows on a daily basis.
19:41.57Charles_MurrayThat, and they probably have a resource or another they can produce competitively, sell on the Andromedan market, use it to import capabilities, technology, finished goods, and invest in infrastructure
19:42.11Groxkiller98We said hello - That's about it.
19:42.31Groxkiller98We have Kiridium... That's it.
19:42.33Charles_MurrayWash, rinse, and repeat until you have enough capital to expand, and keep expanding
19:42.57Groxkiller98Though we stole that from the Draekar Remnants...
19:43.32MonetOne thing I learned reading about the Internet: Apple, Microsoft etc. Any big 'innovative' company gets further by marketing than offering something unique.
19:44.00Charles_MurrayThis is the resource of choice for a lot of people, it's plentiful in the periphery of galaxies and Xonexi pretty much runs on it: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AAndasium
19:44.04MonetYou don't need some super-unique product or material to be a noticeable force on the markets
19:45.03Charles_MurrayBut other resources of value could be anything from steel to food to water to timber to titanium to cash crops or really combination
19:45.11Charles_Murrayany combination *
19:45.15ImpyDroidGroxkiller98: Yes let's make fun of America
19:45.30ImpyDroidI remember us having a giant discussion on the refugee crisis
19:45.44ImpyDroidThe eventual consensus was "Fuck America"
19:46.10MonetGroxkiller98: The thing a lot of the great gig nations need these days is just...stuff to make things really.
19:46.26WormydroidYou don't even need a large export based economy, the UK is hardly known for exporting much these days
19:46.28MonetEven food.
19:46.40HachimanImpyDroid DrodoEmpire Charles_Murray Groxkiller98: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15056455_221995901567575_1323874772744905332_n.jpg?oh=3817c6d4e4c929690e2e1b4a2c1b47df&oe=58C64FCB HOLY SHIT
19:46.42dino82_@Monet: Yeah, resources to expand and to uphodl their status :D
19:47.12WormydroidMaybe tourism, cultural export, amd large imports connect the Mathadorn to the Xonexi alluanxe or whatever
19:47.23MonetFor a small nation like the Mithradorn, an export economy might be a better direction.
19:47.30WormydroidAll I'm saying is that powers in it don't all need to be power houses
19:47.33Groxkiller98We'd probably jump in if asked, and if transportation to the area was given.
19:47.46ImpyDroidHachiman: It was actually invented by the socialist opponents of the NSDAP during its early days
19:48.49Monet<PROTECTED>
19:48.50HachimanNazi = Nationalsozialistiche
19:48.58HachimanNazis invented the word Nazis
19:49.03HachimanNazi*
19:49.43MonetThe contraction makes sense when the long form is pronounced the German way.
19:50.46ImpyDroidHachiman: Not the contractions
19:51.02ImpyDroidAs far as I am aware at least
19:51.11Hachiman"Beijing Confirms that Climate Change is Not a Chinese Hoax After All"
19:51.21Charles_MurrayWormydroid : The UK is not a net exporter because it is a net exporter of capital
19:51.39HachimanSounds like something people who were trying to push the global warming hoax would say
19:51.46Tek0516Alright, enough swearing at Google and my phone. Time to actually do stuff.
19:52.03Charles_MurrayIn other words, it has a lot of money, buys a lot of stuff from everywhere, and invests in other economies in order to keep getting richer
19:52.20MonetThe UK is a big exporter of knowledge - science, entertainment, technology etc.
19:52.31MonetFinance too
19:53.00Charles_MurrayRight, it occupies that position because it's already a rich economy
19:53.15Charles_MurrayIt structurally wouldn't work if, say, Angola tried to do this
19:54.22MonetThe way Groxkiller describes the Mithradorn I get the picture it's better off being a materials exporter - ores, food, timber etc. than a knowledge exporter.
19:55.23Groxkiller98Yeah. Science isn't the strong point - Industry is.
19:56.38Charles_MurrayMonet : ... What do you mean by knowledge exporter?
19:56.45Charles_MurrayI'm not sure that's a thing
19:57.36MonetAs I pointed out, science, finance, entertainment, tertiary and quaternery services.
19:58.08Charles_MurrayRight, but those aren't exports :o
19:58.18Charles_MurrayExcept for entertainment, that can be exported
19:58.34MonetYeah export might not be the right word.
20:03.00Groxkiller98Either way, the Mithadorn are a tiny state with little stakes in the matter. They have a lot to risk, and not a lot to gain, unless France is willing to meet some sort of return.
20:03.47TechnobliteratorImpyDroid, Borealis War? : |
20:04.05Charles_MurrayHow do you mean?
20:08.53Groxkiller98Well, what would the Mithadorn gain out of sending their military, whom are constantly having to deal with pirates in a lawless segmentum, to a galaxy to fight someone else's war?
20:13.05Groxkiller98It's something kinda stupid to go do - And it's you lot usually telling me my logic isn't sound.
20:17.12MonetYou don't have to give soldiers
20:18.45HachimanReligion and philosophy can arguably be exported
20:19.48Groxkiller98And what could I offer to support France, an empire spanning multiple galaxies, whereas I'm less than 4000 stars strong?
20:21.01MonetFrance is also overstretched in directing its industry and military on supporting those multiple-galaxy territories.
20:22.49Groxkiller98What's an extra 3000 worlds worth of production really going to affect with that? Not to mention, the Mithadorn can still barely hold it's own where it is.
20:24.32Groxkiller98If this were a conflict in Andromeda, I'd have directedi
20:25.07Groxkiller98fleets to aid whichever side can aid me most - It'd be a local security issue.
20:26.03Groxkiller98The Mithadorn wouldn't even notice if the Xhocdocto decided to make the Area of Total Control stop existing entirely.
20:26.33MonetYou could arguably ask what worth is there in Angola's petroleum exports when the American economy is over 150k greater. economy is
20:26.49Monet150x greater*
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20:27.32Groxkiller98The Mithadorn are really just a backwater state with nobody but the Teyan and Ankoran - Whom are also tiny and weak/
20:27.43OluapPlayerspo
20:27.56MonetContributing at all is better than refusing because you believe your contribution will offer nothing
20:28.24Xhoo
20:28.37MonetHi
20:29.02Groxkiller98I do wanna... But the Mithadorn can't afford it without a guaranteed return.
20:29.29Monet...which they'll be getting
20:29.51MonetIn the form of a financial return or favours within the French state
20:29.57Groxkiller98Yet that would need to be known up-front.
20:30.29MonetThat's why deals are agreed using contracts.
20:30.59Charles_MurrayWait, who said France was overstretched? o.O
20:30.59Groxkiller98Like... If I'm told exactly what I'd get back, I'd figure out what I can do that's worthwhile.
20:31.49MonetGroxkiller98: That's pretty much any deal ever unless the deal is a gift from one party to another party
20:33.28MonetThe Marshall Plan wasn't simply "hey Europe here's several billion dollars!" it was an agreement of a cash injection to a war-torn continent where both sides agreed would be used to rebuild infrastructure and industry. With the promise it would eventually be paid back
20:33.57Groxkiller98Yeah - I still don't know what I'm being offered back yet though!
20:34.13MonetThat's something you and Charles will need to work out.
20:34.17Xho>Tigress Dragonblade
20:34.18Charles_MurrayGrox : France isn't actually involved in a conflict anywhere :o What I was proposing earlier was to facilitate the Mithadorn's integration into the Xonexi economy and see them empowered
20:34.20XhoDid I just see that
20:34.38Groxkiller98...>_>
20:34.41Charles_MurrayNothing is needed in return
20:34.44XhoDid I really just see an edit from Tigress Dragonblade on the wiki
20:34.53Groxkiller98Who?
20:34.58XhoSuper old user
20:35.02XhoLike Oluap/Wormy old
20:35.49OluapPlayerThat person does like 2 edits per year
20:36.00Groxkiller98Charles... You just cause an entire argument over how I could offer military support to a  conflict... THEN tell us you're not actually fighting it?
20:36.03XhoWell that's the first time I've seen an edit in years
20:36.27Charles_MurrayThere is no conflict I don't understand
20:36.34Charles_MurrayNo actual armed conflict
20:36.38Charles_MurrayThis is all diplomatic
20:36.49Charles_MurrayThere's significant arms buildup involved
20:36.55Charles_Murraybut pls read the pages I link
20:36.59dino82_Really? Where?
20:37.02dino82_:P
20:37.14Charles_Murray...
20:37.34Charles_MurrayFrance - were you aware that you and I were rivals this whole time?
20:37.38Groxkiller98I did...
20:37.55MonetIn the sage words of Felix Baumgardner, the biggest thing stopping you from accomplishing your goals is the bullshit story you keep telling yourself.
20:38.06XhoTechnobliterator: is your bot available
20:38.09Groxkiller98But this is even less reason to be involved.
20:38.10TechnobliteratorNope
20:38.13Xhok
20:38.19TechnobliteratorI've had massive issues with it
20:38.21Technobliteratorsince I changed OS
20:38.21Charles_MurrayGroxkiller98 : What conflict were you referring to?
20:38.22dino82_Rambo - So that is what is going on! :P
20:38.31Charles_MurrayFrance - That explains things.
20:38.32XhoTo what
20:38.42Technobliteratorto Windows 10
20:38.44Technobliteratorfrom Ubunut
20:38.47Xholol
20:38.58TechnobliteratorI need to get Linux in a virtual machine to do bot stuff again
20:39.00Hachimanooboonut
20:39.05XhoI might rehash the Kicath a bit
20:39.06Groxkiller98The page you linked - I thought it was a cn
20:39.08Groxkiller98conflict.
20:39.14Technobliteratorand all my fun Linux stuff
20:39.21XhoMainly because I'm a little bored of brown lizard people
20:39.38HachimanMake black lizard people
20:39.44XhoI might make their appearance a bit closer to the Xi'Arazulha
20:39.48Xhoso yeah
20:39.49Xhoblack
20:40.05XhoOr dark blue
20:40.33Groxkiller98Can we clean up Exteroris though?
20:40.40Groxkiller98Pirates are annoying.
20:41.29XhoAs for their face, well I don't know what one would classify a Xi'Arazulha's face as
20:41.34Xhofucked up
20:41.37Monet18c European empires - Preach
20:41.47OluapPlayerNo face
20:41.55XhoXi'Arazulha - |>
20:41.57Xhohey that works
20:41.58Xhogg
20:42.23XhoEh let's see what happens
20:42.24Charles_MurrayYou could make the case to French Andromeda that the region is rich in andasium and have the French Andromedan military come in, help you sweep the place up, and then allow them to harvest andasium around your territory in exchange for rents
20:42.34Charles_MurrayWhich would then provide a source of income
20:42.56Groxkiller98Hm. That's an idea...
20:42.56MonetOr any PAE member
20:43.06Charles_MurrayFrench Andromeda - I got here first
20:43.11Groxkiller98XD
20:43.15MonetPAE - Our galaxy tho
20:43.27Charles_MurrayFrench Andromeda - I'm a member of the PAE dum
20:43.35Charles_MurrayFrance - I sit on the Highlord Council
20:43.48Groxkiller98Oh, Xho, I was wondering if you'd help me with a fiction.
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20:44.13TechnobliteratorI vote we switch to PiratePad
20:44.17TechnobliteratorIt's way faster than TitanPad
20:44.48Groxkiller98Titanpad is shutting down, so vote passed.
20:44.51Groxkiller98:P
20:46.08Groxkiller98Furthermore, I think we need a private Etherpad domain.
20:46.23OluapPlayer_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Borealis_Galactic_War/Part_1#The_War_Spreads bees
20:46.38TechnobliteratorPrivate etherpad domaind would be extremely difficult to maintain
20:47.41XhoMonet: Dominion - nogalaxy.avi
20:48.04XhoGroxkiller98: Well you can message me but I won't reply soon
20:48.21Groxkiller98kk - Here or on the wikia?
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20:48.29XhoWiki would be best
20:49.44NeonPandaTechnobliterator: am I the only one thinking of a 70's bachelor house with a pirate theme when people say piratepad?
20:49.56Technobliterator:P
20:50.03Technobliteratoryeah, I thought the name was weird as well
20:50.27Groxkiller98Well, it works, with Titanpad shutting down.
20:51.38Groxkiller98http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:High_General_Key%27Tara
20:52.02Groxkiller98Someone give me something for her to burn.
20:52.51Wormy_Microsoft Travel recommends me to visit "world's most dangerous tropical island" O_o
20:53.41Groxkiller98>_>
20:57.01OluapPlayer_Technobliterator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnzQFERaDsg
20:59.32Technobliteratorhahahaha
21:05.53NeonPandahttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Antaro_Kirkpatrick Heh, I did make an ANZR character, now I should make him more dakka
21:07.02NeonPandaI could not have written that in a more Australian manner
21:07.16Groxkiller98Dakka!
21:07.45Groxkiller98Dakka, dakka, dakka, dakka, da-You get the point.
21:09.14NeonPandanow he just needs some more guns, because a man-portable gatling miniature hyperlaser isn't dakka enough
21:10.25Groxkiller98XD
21:10.37Groxkiller98There is never enough dakka
21:11.12dino82_DAKKA :D
21:11.32dino82_bye bye
21:12.05Groxkiller98We need bigger dakka!
21:14.07NeonPandaI know myself well because I still chuckle at the idea that they gave him a weapon that powerful in the hope that it would blow him up quietly somewhere
21:15.39Groxkiller98XD
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21:26.11Groxkiller98Back.
21:27.25Groxkiller98Murray, can you pm me? I can't see who's on from my phone.
21:28.21Groxkiller98Again? I accidentally closed it. >_> Phone isn't perfect.
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21:29.26Groxkiller98Ah, got the list of users back.
21:29.58OluapPlayer_~slap Cyrannian
21:29.58infobotACTION slaps Cyrannian, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
21:30.14Xhohttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/ae/Kicath2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20161117212959 +100% creepy
21:30.34Groxkiller98All Xhodocto related things are creepy.
21:30.36XhoThe only thing I changed was the head really
21:30.45Groxkiller98Most Xho related things are.
21:30.57Groxkiller98:P
21:32.19XhoBearing in mind they're still reptilian-ish underneath i.e. they still have jaws and teeth
21:32.24Cyrannian~punch OluapPlayer_
21:32.24infobotACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches OluapPlayer_ right on the nose
21:32.48MonetThat's a very different head
21:32.57OluapPlayer_no mouth fac
21:32.59OluapPlayer_e
21:33.13XhoThe more alien they look the more suiting it is to their personality I think
21:35.47XhoThey look more like a hyperpowered not to be fucked with kind of alien now rather than a tall lizard
21:36.26Groxkiller98Agreed.
21:36.48Groxkiller98Key'Tara would probably still introduce it's head to her flamethrower, though.
21:38.06Monet+5 Lovecraft
21:38.53OluapPlayer_Is that a mask or their face though
21:39.15XhoMore their face than not
21:39.23XhoThey still have a reptilian set of jaws underneath their face
21:39.39OluapPlayer_Where though, there's no mouth there
21:39.45Xhounder their face
21:39.46Xhosilly
21:39.51OluapPlayer_So on the chin
21:40.04Xho[21:39] <Xho> under their face
21:40.06Xhoy u no get dis
21:40.15OluapPlayer_cus ur not makin sense
21:40.23XhoIt's literally underneath their face
21:40.30Groxkiller98It's under the skin?
21:40.38XhoThink of the face as a crown or their forehead
21:40.51OluapPlayer_Nevermind
21:40.57Groxkiller98Remember; It's Xho, logic need not apply to his omnipotent creations.
21:40.59MonetA handy shield for Paclernos' harsh weather
21:41.12XhoEh I might do a sketch if I've got the means
21:41.33XhoBut yes it's basically a shield
21:41.44XhoWith eyes
21:42.20XhoWhat appears to be the face on their head is actually their forehead, the jaws sit parallel to it
21:42.31MonetCool
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21:42.51XhoWhich suggests the Kicath don't have very good biting power
21:42.58The_RandomnessHello
21:43.05XhoHi
21:43.19MonetI do sometimes believe that tier 2 or 1 empires would have a Lovecraftian sense to them.
21:43.48XhoUnless their necks are structured so that their lower jaw is static and their heads move but that's a little weird
21:44.26XhoReminds me of the Canadians from South Park as well so
21:44.54Groxkiller98XD
21:46.03XhoThat might give them slightly better biting power if their muscles on their neck are structured so
21:46.28XhoSo I imagine the Kicath probably have a very meticulous tongue
21:46.36Wormy_nut crackers
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21:48.26Groxkiller98_>_> Phone decided to reset the window on me.
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21:50.47Groxkiller98__Don't link me things... That causes my window to reset.
21:51.00Groxkiller98__And now there are three of me...
21:51.10The_RandomnessDoesn't it only do that if you click on the link though?
21:51.22Groxkiller98__I did.
21:51.27Groxkiller98__That's why I reset...
21:51.31Groxkiller98__Again.
21:52.23XhoI need a top quote for the Kicath now
21:52.33Xhoinb4 "really dickish and weird"
21:52.55Groxkiller98__XD
22:03.58MonetXho: How much have they changed since the last quotes offered?
22:04.11XhoNot much really
22:04.22XhoThey're probably more amoral than not
22:07.21Groxkiller98__What would happen if we got an Xhodocto drunk?
22:08.03XhoNothing
22:08.09Groxkiller98__Awh
22:08.13XhoThat's like pouring a bottle of whiskey into the void of space
22:08.14Groxkiller98__Almost a shame.
22:08.23Xhowhisky even
22:08.37Groxkiller98__I'd love to see one of them stumbling around in a drunken daze.
22:08.56XhoSantorakh would be the only one to perhaps emulate inebriation
22:09.11XhoAlthough with that level of whimsicality there's no telling
22:09.37Groxkiller98__Santorakh is both amazing and terrifying.
22:09.55Groxkiller98__I would totally summon him if I could, just to see his reaction.
22:10.13Groxkiller98__Knowing him... It'd be anything.
22:12.00Groxkiller98__Night all.
22:16.17Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Kicath Kind of updated
22:19.23Monet"although it is known the Kicath have a disdain for races less intellectually evolved as themselves." I kind of love how un-polite the gigaquadrant is
22:20.18MonetGive me a few minutes and I can offer a quote
22:57.59MonetXho: One thing that all life craves is organisation. A sense of order and structure to the universe. Whether it is their long life or divine heritage, the Kicath pursue this idea to a greater degree than many others. Unfortunately for some they like to maintain this perception with purging those who do not factor into the smooth operation of this great mechanism of theirs"
22:58.26Monet-of theirs
22:59.36XhoThat works
23:00.45Monethttps://assets.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cb189183d0d2482f9e67d644347d104d-c?convert_to_webp=true now that's thinking outside the box
23:01.13Xhoheh
23:02.14XhoYou know I just made a link in fiction without realising it
23:02.23XhoKrathazhrukhal -> Vi'Navitum - > Kicath
23:02.26Xhoit all makes sense
23:08.33MonetWow
23:09.24MonetThat does explain a lot
23:11.37XhoKicath logic is actually Xhodocto logic
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23:21.22MonetAgain makes me think a Type 2.5 or Type 3 civilisation will have an alien understanding of the universe t ous
23:23.31MonetThe Kicath seem the sort who find the idea of neoliberalism somewhat counterproductive
23:30.34MonetIts merely a perspective but I like aliens or advanced societies that don't have modern values.
23:31.57MonetSocial norms change. Expectations change. 50 years from now there's going to be something our generation will be accused of backwards thinking for
23:35.35XhoSelfies
23:43.04Monetif I understand right, the internet has been pivotal in the spread of once-fringe ideas like otherkin, Neomarxism or gender fluidity
23:44.34MonetSmartphones, social media and of course selfies have encouraged even ordinary peopel to adopt a branded identity (looking at yo uRich Kids of Instagram)
23:45.31MonetWhich makes me wonder if this is all in the last 20 years, how fundamentally different from modern perceptions will an empire of a million worlds and a hundred different biologies be?.
23:49.03XhoNot something the human mind can understand really
23:50.02MonetExactly
23:50.24MonetIt could be that these empires have to deal with the planetary equivalent of nationalists.
23:50.52XhoKicath - #destroy
23:50.58MonetColonists and settlers who see themselves as citizens of [colony] first, [homeworld] citizens second
23:57.33MonetThis is why I've happily entertained the paragavatus is perceived as semi-divine.
23:59.09MonetThe sheer height of the DI's social hierarchy, and the distance between Alcanti and the colonies dwarfs the comparative scales of today. So the paragon is *far* higher a position than any modenr head of state.
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