| 00:00.25 | Wormy_ | Best zombie scene ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dcdiOTn0Zo |
| 00:10.30 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/81/Annamasakkan2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20161111000910 remade Dremora Guy |
| 00:10.32 | Xho | Wormy_: kek |
| 00:10.45 | Hachiman | Those colours are rather bright |
| 00:10.52 | Xho | >bright |
| 00:10.53 | Xho | u sure |
| 00:11.23 | Hachiman | Well |
| 00:12.10 | Hachiman | It's a good model anyway hur |
| 00:16.33 | OluapPlayer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRTUReLBWHA on the topic of dremora, this showed up on my recommended videos |
| 00:17.34 | Xho | CHEMICALLY INDUCED CHRONOMANCY CONFIRMED |
| 00:19.47 | Xho | Not quite sure if Skaurovirn would have Dremora voices |
| 00:19.55 | Xho | Maybe, not sure |
| 00:20.27 | Xho | inb4 every Skaurovirn is actually Wes Johnson |
| 00:21.56 | Hachiman | Oh God |
| 00:22.57 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: Did I ever show you this NMS video? https://youtu.be/pXI_3LqEL8k |
| 00:23.17 | Wormy_ | nope |
| 00:23.28 | Wormy_ | but it looks more inventive than the game doho |
| 00:27.07 | Xho | I think they removed potion stacking in Oblivion |
| 00:27.09 | Xho | Can't remember |
| 00:27.30 | Xho | I don't remember being able to run at five hundred miles an hour |
| 00:36.13 | Hachiman | I wonder what would be the most awful thing you could do to a person with the power of light magic |
| 00:36.21 | Hachiman | Other than like illuminating their eyeballs |
| 00:36.32 | Xho | hm well |
| 00:36.41 | Xho | In the case of dark entites like Skaurovirn, burning them from the inside out |
| 00:38.11 | Xho | Anyway I need sleep |
| 00:38.14 | Hachiman | rite |
| 00:39.29 | Monet | There must be some harmful element to light magic |
| 00:40.41 | Monet | I guess those who are not pure could be burned by certain light magics. |
| 00:41.01 | Monet | Or I'm thinking of a different light |
| 00:41.11 | Hachiman | No you're on the right track |
| 00:41.55 | Hachiman | Light magic's offensive capabilities are mostly reserved for undead and dark creatures though; unless we get a bit creative, light magic is more for healing while dark magic is the more universally destructive of the two schools |
| 00:42.34 | Monet | I guess if we want to get particular, every mortal being could be considered not pure enough |
| 00:43.04 | Monet | or simply impure |
| 00:44.41 | Monet | "I just came out of a 60 minute Alterac Valley battelground that was interesting" "did you win?" "aye" "well that was a fucking interesting story" |
| 00:44.50 | Hachiman | olol |
| 00:45.45 | Monet | Used to fight in Alterac Valley |
| 00:46.31 | Monet | 25-40-a-side that could last an hour or more |
| 01:05.19 | Charles_Murray | ttes |
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| 01:12.21 | Charles_Murray | I have dishonored my family |
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| 02:41.19 | Tek0516 | Hey Drodo |
| 02:41.29 | DrodoEmpire | Hi Tek |
| 02:41.36 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 02:41.37 | DrodoEmpire | Fuck, nobody's on |
| 02:41.39 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 02:41.53 | The_Randomness | I scared them all off by lurking, sorry |
| 02:42.08 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 03:36.40 | Tek0516 | ...I paid this Enclave a lot of money to do something. Then a few months later they stop it, take a pile of minerals and energy, and cut off all communications. >.> |
| 03:36.49 | Tek0516 | preps the battleships |
| 03:37.35 | The_Randomness | LOL |
| 03:37.37 | The_Randomness | woops caps |
| 03:38.30 | Tek0516 | The_Randomness: 500 each to buy I think (for a +15 happiness bonus :O). But nope, they go "lol" and try to scam me. |
| 03:38.44 | Tek0516 | They think they're so safe in their 10k station. >.> |
| 03:39.41 | The_Randomness | Sounds like they just wanted you to pay so then you'd kick their collective ass |
| 03:39.45 | Tek0516 | EAT PARTICLE LANCE YOU F***ERS. |
| 03:50.35 | Tek0516 | I can apparently make contact again after 10 years, I guess just so they can steal from me again. >.> |
| 03:51.50 | Tek0516 | 5% chance, but still. |
| 03:52.08 | The_Randomness | unlucky |
| 04:47.42 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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| 07:51.30 | NeonPanda | hi |
| 07:57.54 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 09:10.38 | NeonPanda | test |
| 09:10.48 | NeonPanda | ok I'm still connected, slow IRC be slow |
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| 12:36.48 | dino82_ | hi |
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| 12:54.03 | NeonPanda | hi u |
| 12:54.56 | Monet | hi |
| 12:55.31 | NeonPanda | if you wish to talk worldbuilding for D&D, #worldbuilding (creative name is creative) |
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| 13:52.05 | NeonPanda | hi |
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| 14:16.17 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 14:16.41 | ImpyDroid | got food poisoning and cannot leave his own bed |
| 14:16.45 | Hachiman | Ouch |
| 14:16.48 | Hachiman | How'd you manage that? |
| 14:17.32 | ImpyDroid | Either something in uni or the soup I ate this Wednesday at home |
| 14:17.53 | Monet | What was the soup? |
| 14:29.02 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Potatoes, rice, seaweed, beef, broth |
| 14:30.33 | Monet | Right. |
| 14:33.16 | Monet | ImpyDroid: I got this feeling that UbiSoft have made it a slight running gag to include at least one Russian oil baron in their modern/near future Anno games |
| 14:34.14 | Monet | 2070 had this guy - http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/anno2070/images/b/b7/Vadim.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120119132143 Vadim Sokow who was *obsessed* with monopolising the world's oil |
| 14:36.06 | Monet | 2205 has this guy http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/anno-2205/images/4/4f/Luca_Volodin.png/revision/latest?cb=20151118105353&path-prefix=de Luca Volodin |
| 14:36.53 | Monet | Representative for Usoyev Inc. - the 2205's largest petrochemical company and while everyone else is going ot the moon, he's trying to tap the last oil reserves in the world. |
| 14:37.55 | Monet | Though unlike Vadim, Luca is really nice and polite. |
| 14:38.41 | ImpyDroid | >Volodin |
| 14:38.43 | ImpyDroid | hur |
| 14:42.39 | Monet | I'm guessing his name is significant |
| 14:48.00 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman Monet: http://coub.com/view/null |
| 14:48.28 | ImpyDroid | http://coub.com/view/germe |
| 14:49.17 | Hachiman | mah dik yo dik |
| 14:54.31 | dino82_ | @Imperis: Auch, good luck with that food poisoning! |
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| 15:08.58 | Hachiman | Monet: https://hugelolcdn.com/i/418738.jpg |
| 15:09.48 | Monet | Pick your ending |
| 15:10.32 | NeonPanda | we can tell who chose the Paragon route |
| 15:12.39 | Hachiman | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/74/TassarionBrighthand.png/revision/latest?cb=20161111151217 Meanwhile, Khara's fuccboi |
| 15:12.39 | Monet | The one time the Mail isn't being jingoistic or hurtfully racist, and they go with that. |
| 15:13.03 | NeonPanda | so Gretchbite basically? |
| 15:13.34 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: So was Thatcher Destroy or Control? |
| 15:14.04 | Hachiman | Gretchbite except human, a light magic user, and not a feral savage |
| 15:14.12 | Hachiman | And who also isn't having sexual relations with her |
| 15:14.20 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: I wouldn't know |
| 15:14.41 | Monet | Resolution is to low so the other possibility is when the Mail says 'saved' it's talking about victory in the Falklands - probably the only positive thing about her time as PM |
| 15:15.00 | OluapPlayer | So he's everything but Gretchbite |
| 15:15.01 | OluapPlayer | dingus |
| 15:15.08 | Hachiman | yeh |
| 15:15.16 | Hachiman | So not really Gretchbite at all |
| 15:17.47 | OluapPlayer | Monet: I was throwing my money at the auction house for better items when I found out these things I've been using can only have 3 of them equipped at a time |
| 15:17.58 | OluapPlayer | I bought an extra and wasted about 1300 gold |
| 15:18.04 | Hachiman | Now I need a title for a light mage student |
| 15:18.28 | OluapPlayer | Warlords Crafted I think the game calls them |
| 15:18.46 | ImpyDroid | lel |
| 15:18.57 | ImpyDroid | Seriously that sucks |
| 15:19.24 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Beacon Luminate |
| 15:19.30 | Hachiman | Nice |
| 15:19.30 | OluapPlayer | It's just an inconvenience. Pandaria quests are kinda giving a LOT of gold |
| 15:19.57 | Hachiman | I should probably add that Tassarion is Sovereignty rather than Imperial |
| 15:20.07 | Hachiman | Raised and trained by Hikamera and such |
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| 15:21.05 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 15:21.19 | OluapPlayer | Every few minutes I also hear a local world boss dying |
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| 15:21.29 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 15:21.31 | NeonPanda | hi u |
| 15:21.33 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 15:22.08 | Monet | OluapPLayer: The world boss dying things might be from the Legion zones |
| 15:22.12 | dino82_ | hi |
| 15:22.27 | OluapPlayer | No they're the Pandaria world bosses |
| 15:22.38 | OluapPlayer | People are just killing them as soon as they spawn |
| 15:23.06 | OluapPlayer | I recently got to the area where the Sha of Anger resides and it's already died twice |
| 15:23.47 | Hachiman | "Hastur the Unspeakable-- Oh shit I spoke of him. That isn't good." |
| 15:24.11 | Hachiman | Fucking Spoony |
| 15:24.14 | OluapPlayer | I gotta wonder if people fight them as guilds or if it's just an army of strangers ganging up on them |
| 15:24.29 | ImpyDroid | World bosses are killed by strangers |
| 15:24.33 | ImpyDroid | Most of the time |
| 15:24.43 | The_Randomness | sounds like hunts in FFXIV |
| 15:24.58 | OluapPlayer | Local world boss murdered by small army of 40 disorganized murderhobos, doesn't drop mount out of spite |
| 15:25.43 | OluapPlayer | Speaking of bosses I fought Onyxia earlier |
| 15:25.53 | OluapPlayer | The flying phase was as annoying as I expected |
| 15:26.39 | OluapPlayer | It was worth it in the end though since she dropped a backpack I could use |
| 15:27.11 | ImpyDroid | World bosses can be organised |
| 15:27.24 | ImpyDroid | Not sure about WoW but GW2 |
| 15:27.26 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: What's the Hikameran capital called? |
| 15:28.03 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Not sure if Beacon Luminate does not work for the Sovereignty |
| 15:28.41 | OluapPlayer | Hachiman: Adsidurelus |
| 15:29.20 | OluapPlayer | Now I got bags from Onyxia and Magtheridon |
| 15:29.32 | Monet | I think at a high enough level some people solo these world bosses. |
| 15:29.33 | OluapPlayer | Anything with more inventory slots than faction bags is profit |
| 15:29.49 | Monet | OluapPlayer: Tailors ca ncraft bags |
| 15:30.03 | OluapPlayer | I'm not a tailor |
| 15:30.13 | Monet | It's the one perk my warrior has taking tailoring all those long years ago. |
| 15:30.34 | OluapPlayer | I'm pro miner and shit-tier blacksmith |
| 15:30.38 | OluapPlayer | Never bothered to train that |
| 15:30.44 | NeonPanda | that's one thing I liked about Runescape, Guild Wars 2 and to a lesser extent FFXIV: you could do all the crafts |
| 15:30.45 | OluapPlayer | Don't see a point to it |
| 15:31.12 | The_Randomness | NeonPanda: I've actually started to level my crafters and stuff in FFXIV, it's pretty fun |
| 15:31.22 | NeonPanda | oh don't get me wrong, the crafting is great |
| 15:31.34 | NeonPanda | what I hate about it is once you get to high level, you HAVE to level all the crafts or it's just not worth it |
| 15:31.45 | The_Randomness | yeah, for the cross-class skills |
| 15:32.14 | The_Randomness | It's not too bad though, even if it is time-gated by leve allowances |
| 15:32.27 | The_Randomness | You just need to find someone to make the stuff HQ for you lol |
| 15:32.42 | NeonPanda | like I just wanted to be an armourer, had literally zero interest in levelling anything else up, so I was pissed as hell when I found out that it was impossible to HQ stuff if you didn't have the cross-classes |
| 15:32.45 | OluapPlayer | Also speaking of the auction house I noticed some boss drop pets at level 25 are selling for like 15,000+ gold |
| 15:32.47 | Monet | OluapPLayer: Armour and money |
| 15:32.53 | NeonPanda | and the cross classes you need are at level 50 too |
| 15:32.57 | OluapPlayer | That's a potential dosh right there |
| 15:33.07 | NeonPanda | like if it was just stuff at level 20-30 like most classes i wouldn't have a problem with it |
| 15:33.10 | The_Randomness | NeonPanda: yeah, a lot of them are |
| 15:33.23 | The_Randomness | I know there's something really important to get from culinarian at 35 |
| 15:33.30 | The_Randomness | Then I'll need to get carpenter to 50 |
| 15:33.32 | NeonPanda | but I'm not levelling six skills to 50 just to be able to do one skill really well |
| 15:34.05 | The_Randomness | I don't mind it too much, I just do this stuff on the side while waiting in queue or whatever |
| 15:34.31 | OluapPlayer | Makes me wish that pet battle bonus happened more often |
| 15:36.47 | Monet | IIRC it's a common design mechanic to make higher-level crafting almost require cross-profession materials, to encourage trading either between peopel or on the auction house |
| 15:37.26 | NeonPanda | Monet: cross-profession interaction I don't mind, what annoys me is that I have to become a master craftsman in order to become a master smith |
| 15:37.31 | NeonPanda | master carpenter* |
| 15:39.08 | NeonPanda | FFXIV has a thing where certain skills, once unlocked in a certain class, can then be used by all classes of the same type, which is integral to how their build system works |
| 15:39.29 | NeonPanda | the problem with it for crafters is it means you need at least two or three 50's in classes you're not actually using, just to be able to use the skill you are using well |
| 15:39.37 | Monet | Sounds like grind |
| 15:39.59 | Wormydroid | Brb |
| 15:40.05 | NeonPanda | mhm |
| 15:40.22 | The_Randomness | Fortunately leves make it pretty quick |
| 15:40.30 | NeonPanda | which to be fair isn't a problem, MMOs are grindmills made out of other, slightly smaller, grindmills, it's just the annoyance |
| 15:40.51 | The_Randomness | Like, if you have the allowances for it, if you find somebody else to craft the stuff needed for it, you can go from 1-50 in a few hours |
| 15:40.54 | NeonPanda | as I said before, if all the cross skills were in the level 30 range (which is where they are for combat classes, for example) I'd have no problem with it |
| 15:41.20 | Monet | Though I've noticed that Eastern RPGs are more partial to grind |
| 15:41.43 | The_Randomness | I've heard |
| 15:41.50 | NeonPanda | tbh it's more that modern western RPGs have taken steps to reduce grind |
| 15:42.17 | NeonPanda | grind is inherent in MMOs, just there's been a push in the western market to find ways to make the grind interactive or more efficient |
| 15:42.30 | Monet | Actually good point - WoW grind used ot be horrible |
| 15:47.54 | ImpyDroid | Monet: So apparently the French translators called Ron Weasley's pet owl "Coq" |
| 15:52.40 | Monet | Isn't that the owl that always flies into closed windows? |
| 15:59.44 | ImpyDroid | I think |
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| 16:01.54 | Wormydroid | That feel when the moon looks bigger than what you've probably ever seen |
| 16:02.43 | Wormydroid | Biggest supermoon coming up since the 1940's, and the apparent size looks bigger becauseits near the horizob |
| 16:02.50 | The_Randomness | :o |
| 16:03.04 | Wormydroid | 14th of November I think |
| 16:03.24 | Wormydroid | Get ur telescope out |
| 16:07.23 | Monet | But I don't have a telescope |
| 16:07.40 | Monet | Will just my eyes be okay? |
| 16:08.40 | OluapPlayer | no moon 4 u |
| 16:09.46 | Wormydroid | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37946718 |
| 16:11.59 | ImpyDroid | Monet: watching old movies while bedridden, got me wondering |
| 16:12.38 | OluapPlayer | You're bedridden? |
| 16:13.19 | ImpyDroid | Well not exactly bedridden but I am currently recovering from food poisoning so I am told not to leave my bed unless necessary |
| 16:14.02 | ImpyDroid | So this made me wondering: what terrifying monsters/villains do we have in modern films? |
| 16:15.15 | ImpyDroid | I can only think of the Joker, maybe a few other Nolan villains |
| 16:15.26 | Hachiman | We have the Big Guy |
| 16:15.44 | Monet | Terrifying villains...hmm... |
| 16:15.56 | OluapPlayer | >Big Guy >monster |
| 16:16.01 | OluapPlayer | get this hothead outta here |
| 16:16.16 | Monet | Define the modern period. |
| 16:16.37 | Hachiman | I would say that the Alien qualifies as a terrifying modern monster |
| 16:16.46 | Monet | It does |
| 16:16.58 | Hachiman | And it's symbolism is pretty hellish too |
| 16:17.19 | ImpyDroid | I mean modern as in 2000s onwards |
| 16:17.23 | Monet | 70s and 80s we had Freddy Krueger, Jason Vorhees, although I don't know if they're that terrifying they |
| 16:17.30 | Monet | 2000s onwards though... |
| 16:17.35 | Monet | Mr. Smith? |
| 16:17.42 | ImpyDroid | The Alien and the like are what I'd call the movie classics, and I am talking about them |
| 16:17.56 | ImpyDroid | We do not have villains like the Alien or the Terminator anymore |
| 16:18.20 | Hachiman | We have that monster from It Follows |
| 16:19.09 | ImpyDroid | Yeah |
| 16:19.27 | OluapPlayer | Never heard of |
| 16:20.56 | ImpyDroid | Same here actually |
| 16:21.19 | Hachiman | Fucking damnit |
| 16:21.38 | Hachiman | I'd explain but I'm RPing right now |
| 16:22.01 | OluapPlayer | Just post a picture |
| 16:22.19 | Hachiman | I can't |
| 16:22.25 | Hachiman | It doesn't take the form of a monster |
| 16:22.38 | Hachiman | It's some form of demon which takes the form of people |
| 16:22.47 | OluapPlayer | Oh |
| 16:23.24 | Monet | It takes the form of people and kills those who have sex |
| 16:23.49 | OluapPlayer | First thing that came to mind when you said "It" was Pennywise the Dancing Clown |
| 16:23.54 | OluapPlayer | Probably not someone you wanna have sex with |
| 16:24.15 | Hachiman | Basically, there's a curse which is passed through people like an STD; whoever received the curse latest is the target of the monster and they can assume the form of any person it wants to get to them, but it can only walk and cannot talk or make noises |
| 16:24.31 | Hachiman | And it's invisible to everyone but those who have received the curse |
| 16:24.38 | Hachiman | But it can interact with the physical world |
| 16:25.02 | Monet | It's interesting how casual sex is the most common theme in regards to slasher monsters. |
| 16:25.21 | OluapPlayer | So it's a mute succubus |
| 16:25.30 | Hachiman | It's not a succubus because you don't have sex with it |
| 16:26.08 | Hachiman | A person has the curse, they have sex with another person, that person receives the curse; whoever bears the curse is followed by the monster and eventually killed, and then it goes back to hunting the one who had the curse before |
| 16:26.24 | OluapPlayer | Right |
| 16:26.54 | Hachiman | The creepy thing about it is that it walks in a manner very similar to sleepwalkers |
| 16:27.22 | Hachiman | And that it can assume the form of anyone, including people that its targets know |
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| 17:32.31 | Monet | Hello |
| 17:32.40 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 17:35.59 | DrodoEmpire | https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/15049828_1316434441735282_292288987_n.jpg?oh=fc1a6972d5890430295a18367353ecf5&oe=5827FA3B |
| 17:42.34 | NeonPanda | definitely the infinite people, biggest killstreak EVER |
| 17:43.33 | Ghelae | I remember someone - it might have been Aeo - discussed with me the idea of trying to use that kind of argument against the Dominatus. Something along the lines that killing/torturing/enslaving more not-as-superior-as-Dominatus people is better (in Dominatus morality), so doing that to 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + ... people is clearly ideal... |
| 17:44.19 | Ghelae | ...and then 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ... people, but since is equal to -1/12, they're actually hurting a negative number and people and hence their morality is inconsistent. |
| 17:44.53 | Ghelae | I did let him know that trying to use that argument would get someone laughed out of the Tyranny, and then eaten. |
| 17:46.43 | dino82_ | hi |
| 17:46.53 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:50.24 | Monet | Dominatus - Hah trying to use maths to discred it us. Nice try |
| 17:51.51 | NeonPanda | ISF - We tried to explain to them once how their ships shouldn't actually work. They reminded us that they do in fact work. |
| 17:51.56 | DrodoEmpire | I think its more that genocide and mass-enslavement are just wrong on the face of it <.< |
| 17:53.36 | Monet | The fictionverse is pretty dark when you think about it |
| 17:53.49 | NeonPanda | not even when you think about it; it's pretty dark period |
| 17:54.15 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah it can be |
| 17:54.22 | DrodoEmpire | A lot of its on the up-and-up though |
| 17:54.23 | Monet | More than jsut armies of demons |
| 17:54.38 | NeonPanda | on my end at least, one of the factions that was historically on the "good" side in many major past wars is outright unashamedly genocidal |
| 17:54.44 | Monet | You have some advanced civilisations that rationally justify genocide. |
| 17:55.19 | Monet | And other cases where genocide is permitted because speicism. |
| 17:58.56 | Charles_Bot | France - non |
| 17:59.51 | NeonPanda | Fordanta - yes |
| 18:00.04 | Charles_Bot | France - u wot m8 |
| 18:00.29 | NeonPanda | Fordanta - if you kill all the people, there's no people left to become enemies in the future |
| 18:00.33 | NeonPanda | Fordanta - it's logic |
| 18:01.10 | Charles_Bot | France - if you kill all the people, you've just created a univers full of enemies |
| 18:01.25 | NeonPanda | Fordanta - then you kill all the other enemies |
| 18:01.40 | Charles_Bot | France - good luck |
| 18:01.54 | NeonPanda | Fordanta - hold my drink bro, I got this |
| 18:02.16 | Charles_Bot | *A pan-Xonexi Coalition has declared war on you!* |
| 18:02.31 | Charles_Bot | (Whose with France on this? xD) |
| 18:02.52 | NeonPanda | you'd be surprised how many factions in Andromeda get where the Fordanta are coming from :P |
| 18:03.38 | Monet | Draconis - We're not against genocide just don't go crazy and kill everyone with it. |
| 18:04.50 | OluapPlayer | Corruptus Cultist - genocide is a-okay you guys worry too much |
| 18:06.31 | dino82_ | The Rambo woudl side w ith the Fordanta I guess, is France up to war? |
| 18:06.34 | NeonPanda | in case you're not actually aware (which is entirely possible) Charles, the Fordanta use violence as a last resort, but when brought to it they make sure there isn't anything less |
| 18:06.49 | Charles_Bot | Nah, I'm totally joking |
| 18:07.11 | NeonPanda | which is mainly due to the fact that their first historical wars were against other Fordanta, who have a tendency of just coming back stronger if you leave any alive |
| 18:08.29 | Charles_Bot | Right, though conflicts, even when it comes to violence, aren't necessarily existential |
| 18:08.47 | Monet | Fordanta are an entire species of Sun Tzu |
| 18:10.27 | Charles_Bot | So what you're saying is that the Fordanta would escalate any conflict they get into, even if it's a limited war over a backwards outpost, or heck begun by accident or miscalculation, and drive it all the way to the obliteration of the other side? |
| 18:10.49 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Except that Sunzi thought that total annihilation of the enemy was idiotic |
| 18:10.56 | Charles_Bot | ^ |
| 18:11.22 | DrodoEmpire | He thought it was wise to take the enemy- their provinces, infrastructure, population, army- whole and unscathed |
| 18:11.32 | DrodoEmpire | Read the book dammit >.< |
| 18:11.47 | Charles_Bot | It was him who said that if you could capture the enemy intact without damage, or without even fighting, then you've mastered the art of war |
| 18:12.03 | NeonPanda | if people can't come to a peaceful resolution over a backwards outpost they're clearly A) idiotic and B) a potential threat in future regards |
| 18:12.27 | NeonPanda | for people who are so decisive in battle, they're rather hard to actually bring TO battle in the first place |
| 18:13.05 | NeonPanda | you'd have to have outright had terms of peace shoved in your face and said no for them to actually commit offensive forces to you, at which point- to their mind at least- you're sufficiently opposed to peace that your continued existence is a threat to peace itself |
| 18:14.19 | Hachiman | What I find dumb is that most people don't understand that even though he literally wrote the book on war, Sun Tzu did not actually like war |
| 18:14.26 | DrodoEmpire | Indeed |
| 18:14.42 | NeonPanda | so no, if by accident someone attacked them they'd call them up, call them stupid, offer them peace with the only condition being that they don't try to disrupt the peace, and leave it at that |
| 18:15.03 | DrodoEmpire | He saw fighting on the field as one of the lowest forms of warfare/international discourse, and siege warfare *the* lowest |
| 18:15.08 | Charles_Bot | That's not very rational o.o and kind of ignores why countries go to war in the first place. As a general rule, leaders and military staff will tend to be extremely optimistic (to the point of miscalculation) about their war plans or ability to prosecute a war |
| 18:15.17 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 18:15.28 | *** join/#sporewiki drom (~drom@unaffiliated/drom) |
| 18:15.31 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps partly for cynical reasons, he thought of this |
| 18:15.32 | Charles_Bot | War is often a process of decisively proving who is actually more powerful |
| 18:15.57 | DrodoEmpire | Though some of his writing makes me think he wasn't so cold-blooded either |
| 18:15.59 | drom | Hey |
| 18:16.02 | DrodoEmpire | And at any rate he's right |
| 18:16.02 | Monet | It's alien logic. |
| 18:16.03 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 18:16.03 | Charles_Bot | In which case you've probably just got to slap them around for six months before they come back to the table with a more realistic understanding of the situation |
| 18:16.05 | drom | waves |
| 18:16.34 | OluapPlayer | If panda wants his wars to be total annihilation, he can do as he pleases |
| 18:16.40 | Charles_Bot | And thus a desire for peace, thus a willingness to agree to reasonable terms |
| 18:16.40 | OluapPlayer | he's not even the only one here with a fiction like that |
| 18:16.41 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Just because its a different way of thinking doesn't mean its equal in how rational or correct it is |
| 18:16.57 | DrodoEmpire | Oluap: Charles is explaining his point of view, so let him |
| 18:17.01 | DrodoEmpire | Don't get so defensive |
| 18:17.06 | DrodoEmpire | He isn't telling anybody what to do |
| 18:17.34 | Hachiman | Calm it Drodo |
| 18:17.40 | Hachiman | You're getting a bit snappy and defensive yourself |
| 18:17.41 | DrodoEmpire | I am calm :p |
| 18:17.47 | DrodoEmpire | Right, maybe so |
| 18:17.48 | drom | sees argument. Sneaking behind a totally non-supicious shrub |
| 18:17.48 | NeonPanda | I'm reminded of why I don't bother getting involved in the fictionverse anymore- keyhole viewpoints leading to flawed assumptions when neither time nor effort exists to make the whole clear |
| 18:18.45 | dino82_ | -_- |
| 18:18.50 | NeonPanda | tl;dr: Fordanta only go into an offensive war when it has been determined that peace is functionally impossible, at which point it is logical that someone who outright refuses peace will always seek war, and therefore destroying them is the final word in making sure they don't start future wars |
| 18:18.53 | Hachiman | And as Monet says, it's an alien way of thinking, and aliens have different concepts of rationality and what is morally and ethically correct ot not |
| 18:18.59 | Hachiman | *or not |
| 18:19.05 | drom | Oh hey dino82_! |
| 18:19.10 | DrodoEmpire | Yes but there're still factual things on how stuff works |
| 18:19.11 | DrodoEmpire | However |
| 18:19.12 | OluapPlayer | Regardless |
| 18:19.17 | dino82_ | Hi! |
| 18:19.19 | Charles_Bot | Different moralities I can definitely accept |
| 18:19.21 | dino82_ | How are you Drom! |
| 18:19.24 | dino82_ | Has been a while :D |
| 18:19.24 | OluapPlayer | Monet: Want to do some more raiding or are you busy today? |
| 18:19.27 | Monet | Fordanta developed a mindset where after being slapped around, an enemy might jsut hit you back even mroe determined. |
| 18:19.35 | drom | I'm p. good thank you, dino! |
| 18:19.35 | DrodoEmpire | A people's political philosophy is shaped by its surroundings and the other people about |
| 18:19.52 | Monet | Which might be the thing to consider |
| 18:19.53 | DrodoEmpire | Its not like there's never been a human culture that's fought wars of annihilation as standard fare |
| 18:19.53 | drom | Just learned one good and one bad news. |
| 18:20.03 | DrodoEmpire | Using the same rationality as the Fordanta do |
| 18:20.03 | Monet | Panda has described Forda as a death-world. |
| 18:20.12 | drom | The bad was, I failed a math final, I've to redo it this December |
| 18:20.28 | drom | The good was, I almost aced a CE final, maximum grade possible. |
| 18:20.37 | Monet | OluapPlayer: Could od later tonight |
| 18:20.39 | DrodoEmpire | So, depending on the ciricumstances on the Fordanta and their neighbours, their way of doing things can be valid as well |
| 18:20.41 | Hachiman | Also since I'm gonna predict this conversation will take a nasty turn soon, can I suggest taking it to #sporewiki-offtopic |
| 18:20.43 | DrodoEmpire | To provide a counteroint |
| 18:20.43 | OluapPlayer | Neato |
| 18:20.48 | OluapPlayer | Let's kill ourselves an Old God |
| 18:20.50 | DrodoEmpire | Nah, not nasty |
| 18:20.58 | Charles_Bot | We're also talking about fiction |
| 18:21.06 | Charles_Bot | So off topic rules don't apply |
| 18:21.16 | Hachiman | It's less fiction and more ethics at this point honestly |
| 18:21.20 | Monet | Let's just try and keep it civil and polite. |
| 18:21.23 | DrodoEmpire | Well don't be a lawyer about it either Charles |
| 18:21.25 | NeonPanda | either way I'm done |
| 18:21.39 | DrodoEmpire | I am also defending your viewpoint Panda, just so you know |
| 18:21.58 | drom | Anyway guys. I wonder how is Tuuros doing? |
| 18:22.02 | DrodoEmpire | Trying to be evenhanded here as I understand both sides and can see how different ways of doing things emerge |
| 18:22.06 | Hachiman | Tuuros is on hold right now actually |
| 18:22.12 | Hachiman | Because Xho is dum / busy with life |
| 18:22.25 | drom | <.< |
| 18:22.39 | drom | is unamused |
| 18:23.12 | drom | Well, I've been dealing with life as well |
| 18:23.22 | drom | or had, rather |
| 18:25.03 | drom | Any other news regarding fiction and fantasy? |
| 18:25.31 | DrodoGMod | Gonna do fantasy stuff myself |
| 18:25.41 | Ghelae | I have actually made an edit to my Tuuros fiction today. But I then put it on my to-do list because it doesn't look like much is going to happen with it for a while. |
| 18:25.54 | Hachiman | drom: It's now 35 New Age and I have new characters in the making |
| 18:26.37 | drom | Ah, sweet. |
| 18:27.01 | Hachiman | Also, Western Continent is a thing that's getting more expansion |
| 18:27.22 | Hachiman | And the entire Talmyr region is a warzone that got wracked by demons but it's k now other than being a political mess |
| 18:27.50 | drom | I'd been, well, roleplaying in a game called Space Station 13. So I'd learned a plenty about character development and design. |
| 18:28.03 | drom | Hachiman, I assume Takoalasko can still exist in Talmyr region then. |
| 18:29.40 | ImpyDroid | Right guys what is going on |
| 18:30.29 | drom | Oh hey cyka blyad |
| 18:30.37 | drom | I tried grabbing yo on Discord |
| 18:32.25 | drom | Ghelae. What edit was that? |
| 18:33.12 | Ghelae | drom: The fiction is http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Arqorillan_Renaissance |
| 18:34.22 | Ghelae | Another issue is that my main priority currently is motivating myself to work on PhD applications, and that requires being in a physics mood, so the most fiction I've worked on recently is coming up with a realistic definition for the lazy sci-fi concept of a "spatial anomaly". http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Spatial_anomaly |
| 18:35.40 | drom | Seems interesting. |
| 18:35.51 | Ghelae | Looking at my contributions, the only other things I've done since the middle of September are Genesis of Nightmares, the Story of Humanity, and for the fantasyverse a few edits to the Archipelago. |
| 18:36.04 | drom | I'll give it a proper read when I finished some smaller chores. |
| 18:38.16 | Tek0516 | I have several partially written drafts I really need to try and write somehow. >.> |
| 18:38.33 | OluapPlayer | Monet: I'm curious over the garrison. What exactly do you do there? |
| 18:38.41 | drom | I think my new priorities are expanding the Kurinnurii Technocracy |
| 18:38.45 | OluapPlayer | I feel it's gonna take a while until I'm done with pandaland |
| 18:38.46 | drom | So they can be more interesting. |
| 18:39.48 | dino82_ | @oluap: Which Old one are you doing? Raids |
| 18:40.12 | OluapPlayer | Ulduar |
| 18:40.37 | dino82_ | @drom: Fiction news: France and the Rambo are not at war yet, they return to the table for diplomatic talks, though the gorge is still up and going strong :D |
| 18:40.40 | Monet | OluapPlayer: It forms the core of your time on Draenor. You can do missions for items and money, build profession workshops, harvest resources (the garrisons come with a mine and herb garden by default) |
| 18:40.42 | dino82_ | @oluap: Neat! |
| 18:40.51 | dino82_ | Recently made a grievous based character |
| 18:40.55 | dino82_ | in spore |
| 18:41.16 | Monet | Some buildings provide bonuses (like the barracks can give you an NPC buddy to fight with) |
| 18:41.59 | OluapPlayer | So it's a base you can interact with? |
| 18:43.00 | Monet | Your very own hardquarters |
| 18:43.07 | Charles_Bot | It also gives you infinite income, crafts, etc |
| 18:43.25 | Charles_Bot | It's one of those FarmVille type things with tons of timers |
| 18:44.04 | OluapPlayer | >infinite income |
| 18:44.05 | OluapPlayer | intedrastin |
| 18:44.30 | Monet | Infinite income via farming resources |
| 18:44.45 | Charles_Bot | Also, I apologized to Panda over pm. That got out of hand |
| 18:44.57 | OluapPlayer | That doesn't sound too different from what I've been doing until now |
| 18:45.05 | OluapPlayer | Get trash, sell trash |
| 18:45.18 | DrodoGMod | Aw man |
| 18:45.44 | DrodoGMod | Me and another guy tried to build a wall on an RP server, to cordon off a district of town to ourselves |
| 18:45.49 | DrodoGMod | (Which is technically legal) |
| 18:46.11 | DrodoGMod | Admin came and started deleting our shit as a huge crowd of players came to see what was going on |
| 18:46.28 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Ooooolplh |
| 18:46.30 | DrodoGMod | Eventually I got fed up and shouted "GET'EM" and gunned down the admin and everyone else around him <.< |
| 18:46.32 | ImpyDroid | Ulduar is BEST |
| 18:46.34 | DrodoGMod | I got banned for an hour |
| 18:46.40 | Monet | OluapPLayer: Main difference is it's all in one convenient place |
| 18:46.53 | ImpyDroid | And Yogg-Saron is awesome, and in every game he is in too |
| 18:46.58 | ImpyDroid | NeonPanda can attest to this |
| 18:47.04 | OluapPlayer | He's in more than one game? |
| 18:47.04 | NeonPanda | DrodoGMod: next time you do that, shout Wu-Tang Killer Bees for me, see what happens |
| 18:47.21 | NeonPanda | my only experience of Yogg is in Hearthstone |
| 18:47.26 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: He is in Hearthstone |
| 18:47.26 | NeonPanda | in which he *was* awesome until he got nerfed |
| 18:47.34 | NeonPanda | now Yolo'Saron is unplayable |
| 18:47.36 | OluapPlayer | Right |
| 18:47.46 | ImpyDroid | In Hearthstone he plays random spells basically |
| 18:47.56 | OluapPlayer | Hearthstone is unknown territory to me |
| 18:47.58 | ImpyDroid | You play him, you get something crazy and random |
| 18:48.07 | NeonPanda | OluapPlayer: in HS he plays a random spell for every spell you've played this game, which in my deck means potentially 35 spells |
| 18:48.13 | *** join/#sporewiki Wormy_ (5f937199@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.147.113.153) |
| 18:48.31 | NeonPanda | my deck consists of 29 spells, two of which generate three random spells each ^.^ |
| 18:48.47 | NeonPanda | actually 37 spells because Forgotten Torch generates another spell as well |
| 18:49.02 | ImpyDroid | NeonPanda: 37 Pyroblasts to the face |
| 18:49.15 | NeonPanda | ImpyDroid: My record is 5 pyroblasts to face |
| 18:49.30 | NeonPanda | but now I play Duelyst so no more yolo'saron |
| 18:49.34 | dino82_ | Quadrantia version of General Grievous: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:GeneralQuadrantiaLarge.png |
| 18:49.36 | NeonPanda | and saron got nerfed so literally unplayable |
| 18:50.27 | NeonPanda | on that note, if I get bothered enough I might expy the Magmar Aspects into the fantasyverse |
| 18:50.30 | OluapPlayer | dino82_: That looks pretty faithful |
| 18:51.00 | NeonPanda | they're basically time lord dinosaurs |
| 18:51.23 | OluapPlayer | Monet: You think we could do Heroic difficulty for our next runs? |
| 18:51.36 | Monet | I think so. |
| 18:51.47 | OluapPlayer | That way we can fight Algalon |
| 18:51.54 | OluapPlayer | And bother the people at Dalaran when he dies |
| 18:52.21 | dino82_ | @Oluap: Thanks :D |
| 18:52.27 | dino82_ | Was fun to make, though challenging but fun, a lot! |
| 18:53.54 | Charles_Bot | dino82_: That's an impressive piece of work |
| 18:54.01 | Charles_Bot | Are you going to use him in fiction? |
| 18:54.52 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 18:55.06 | Charles_Bot | Hey |
| 18:56.24 | OluapPlayer | Actually do Wrath raids have heroic mode? |
| 18:56.51 | OluapPlayer | >With the second expansion, heroic mode was extended to raids. |
| 18:56.53 | OluapPlayer | Okay they do |
| 18:59.18 | NeonPanda | the basic lore behind the Magmar is that when they die they return to the Chrysalis, basically a giant egg constantly spitting out reborn Magmar, but at the cost of their memories |
| 19:00.04 | NeonPanda | twelve individuals that became known as the Magmar Aspects did this fancy ritual that basically sacrificed their individuality in order for them to become hosts to the collective memory of the Magmar, and somewhat directing the race as a whole |
| 19:00.37 | NeonPanda | and as a result of the mutability of the race there's a whole plethora of creatures that are all "Magmar" even though they're all kinds of weird |
| 19:01.59 | *** join/#sporewiki Cyrannian|Away (uid97882@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ddkitfdtafrnnmpa) |
| 19:02.10 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o Cyrannian] by ChanServ |
| 19:02.17 | Cyrannian | Hello everyone |
| 19:02.42 | Monet | I like Blizz's chain of thought. "We've been meaning for ages to implement player housing. I know! Let's give every player their own castle! |
| 19:03.13 | OluapPlayer | ~eat Cyrannian |
| 19:03.13 | infobot | ACTION eats Cyrannian and falls over dead |
| 19:03.18 | OluapPlayer | Well it's fancier than a house |
| 19:03.20 | Cyrannian | ~smash OluapPlayer |
| 19:03.20 | infobot | ACTION flings an anvil in OluapPlayer's general direction |
| 19:03.28 | dino82_ | @charles: Thanks :D |
| 19:03.39 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Ulduar has Heroic but it is kind of unconventional |
| 19:03.48 | ImpyDroid | Every encounter has a unique way of triggering it |
| 19:04.15 | ImpyDroid | For example when fighting Yogg-Saron you have not to summon any allies in the fight |
| 19:04.25 | ImpyDroid | You will get better loot in that case |
| 19:04.32 | OluapPlayer | That's cool |
| 19:07.08 | Wormy_ | So Medieval Engineers has planets now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMgCBykNO3E |
| 19:07.55 | Wormy_ | II wonder if you could put more planets in a system and then create some hacky gameplay and visit other planets |
| 19:09.36 | OluapPlayer | ImpyDroid: I can't seem to be able to do Pandaria scenarios. Is it because I'm over level 90? |
| 19:11.59 | NeonPanda | now that i think of it, it would be quite an odd circumstance if over the course of a story, one of these not!Magmar died, then came back fully regenerated before the story ended |
| 19:21.08 | Monet | Wormy_: I liked the improvised nature of the narration |
| 19:22.55 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: You can still do them but you need to get to a special place in Pandaria |
| 19:23.07 | ImpyDroid | Do you have Pandaria flying? |
| 19:23.12 | OluapPlayer | I don't |
| 19:23.16 | OluapPlayer | Don't know where you get that |
| 19:23.48 | ImpyDroid | The Shrines |
| 19:24.08 | dino82_ | You can buy pandaria flying in stormwind with the flying master |
| 19:24.09 | drom | I feel like I should expand upon the Kurinnurii's culture. |
| 19:24.49 | OluapPlayer | You can't, I already checked there |
| 19:24.56 | dino82_ | Oh ok, |
| 19:25.35 | OluapPlayer | Cons: I have to walk Pros: My drake can roar on command |
| 19:25.40 | dino82_ | http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Flying_trainers |
| 19:25.51 | dino82_ | need to be high level to fly in Pandaria |
| 19:26.03 | dino82_ | try getting it for Warlords or Legion -_- |
| 19:26.07 | dino82_ | so frustrating long quests |
| 19:26.25 | OluapPlayer | I'm high enough level, I just didn't reach the Vale of Eternal Blossoms yet |
| 19:26.53 | dino82_ | ah ok! |
| 19:27.40 | OluapPlayer | I asked about the scenarios because I got quests asking me to do them, but the game won't let me queue for them |
| 19:29.48 | OluapPlayer | One thing I'm liking about Pandaria is how fluently the plot moves. So far I've not had quest lines just abruptly ending before the whole zone is done |
| 19:30.49 | OluapPlayer | Also the map tells you where the new plot lines start |
| 19:41.19 | ImpyDroid | Charles_Bot DrodoGMod: https://www.reddit.com/r/heraldry/comments/5cg64w/all_the_arms_on_the_canada_gate_in_front_of/ ooh look at these |
| 19:41.23 | ImpyDroid | These are pretty |
| 19:44.38 | ImpyDroid | Srsly guys do you always have to ignore me |
| 19:44.49 | Charles_Bot | I like it |
| 19:44.57 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Jade Forest is best |
| 19:44.58 | dino82_ | neat insigna! |
| 19:45.09 | OluapPlayer | Everything is best to you hur |
| 19:45.13 | Charles_Bot | Drodo is playing Gmod and I'm eating lunch |
| 19:45.23 | ImpyDroid | No Jade Forest is best in Pandaria |
| 19:45.29 | Charles_Bot | Though yeah |
| 19:45.36 | Charles_Bot | That's pretty cool |
| 19:45.40 | OluapPlayer | gonna ook you in the dooker |
| 19:45.57 | Cyrannian | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/7e/MoravilonClassDestroyer.png/revision/latest?cb=20161111194439 - The primary warships of the Great Star Dominion, take a lok |
| 19:45.59 | Cyrannian | *look |
| 19:46.18 | OluapPlayer | Looks like a pistol from that angle |
| 19:46.23 | Charles_Bot | I prefer the arms of the Russian Federation at the Russian Embassy Washington DC |
| 19:46.33 | Charles_Bot | Some of the best looking arms I've ever seen on a gate |
| 19:47.21 | Wormy_ | Monet: Have you come across this book before? Might go with your intterests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Understanding_Media |
| 19:47.24 | ImpyDroid | How do they look? |
| 19:47.54 | ImpyDroid | I like the variation on the Russian eagle in the Palace Square, lemme find the pig |
| 19:47.58 | ImpyDroid | pic even |
| 19:48.11 | Monet | Wormy_: Interesting. I'll keep an eye out for it |
| 19:48.40 | ImpyDroid | Cyrannian: I like the striking black and red colour scheme, it makes sense considering Zillum's backstory |
| 19:49.14 | ImpyDroid | "Enough with these stupid excuses for being a dick, let's just be a dick for the sake of being a dick" |
| 19:49.23 | Wormy_ | I've only read bits of it, but I listened to talk about it on youtube and thought it was quite interesting |
| 19:49.32 | Cyrannian | Indeed, the product of joint Lizardian, Mortalitas and Tiranozark engineering |
| 19:49.40 | ImpyDroid | Old IS, Imperial and Confederate ships were all grey or drab |
| 19:49.50 | ImpyDroid | This one is just straight out evil-looking |
| 19:50.12 | dino82_ | Nice Cyrannian! Very nice! |
| 19:50.21 | Wormy_ | Marshall McLuhan was heavily critiqued at the time but some his works anticpitated the World Wide Web, and so academia is once again taking more interesting in his work |
| 19:50.40 | OluapPlayer | Zillum - comes with its own kitten dispenser |
| 19:50.42 | Wormy_ | *taking more of an interest |
| 19:50.44 | ImpyDroid | This makes me wonder how you will end Zillum's storyline |
| 19:51.30 | Cyrannian | I have an end for Tyrómairon's storyline, but Zillum will likely be around for the long run |
| 19:52.17 | ImpyDroid | Tyromairon defeated by the power of friendship |
| 19:52.54 | Monet | Wormy_: Baudrillard was received similarly. He wrote Simulacra and Simulation in 1981, but his philosophies saw a rennaisance after the rise of the Internet. Something that fits very closely to his theory. |
| 19:52.56 | Cyrannian | On the cusp of absolute power when Lezia suddenly reappears and usurps control |
| 19:53.28 | OluapPlayer | Cyrannian doesn't simply end storylines |
| 19:53.39 | OluapPlayer | He just keeps making more and more and more |
| 19:53.53 | NeonPanda | waptor is tzeentch confirmed |
| 19:53.56 | Cyrannian | dunt u sass me |
| 19:53.58 | NeonPanda | stories within stories within stories |
| 19:54.07 | OluapPlayer | get sass'd on u feathered chicken |
| 19:54.46 | NeonPanda | ImpyDroid: gimme a fancy name for lizard people, preferably something with a spanish and/or aztec/mayan twist to it |
| 19:55.39 | ImpyDroid | NeonPanda: Qaxuini |
| 19:56.01 | NeonPanda | how should the Q be pronounced in that? |
| 20:00.25 | Wormy_ | Lizard Greets Man like a Dog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-zGIS-WWZQ |
| 20:01.17 | ImpyDroid | K |
| 20:12.46 | drom | I wrote one whole paragraph about the Kurinnurii clans; blood-lineage and heritage |
| 20:13.19 | drom | A small taste of feudalic heritage included. |
| 20:17.29 | drom | If you have more questions or issues comprehending the text. Don't hesistate to tell! |
| 20:17.40 | drom | any questions evene |
| 20:17.50 | drom | even^2 |
| 20:18.13 | dino82_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Malegras |
| 20:18.21 | dino82_ | history section coming as soon as I figured it out :P |
| 20:19.15 | DrodoGMod | Apparently, cocaine gives you speedhacks in GMod RP <.< |
| 20:19.27 | DrodoGMod | So of course I exploited the shit out of that |
| 20:22.56 | Hachiman | tfw you get back into Alestorm |
| 20:31.02 | OluapPlayer | Alestorm is top tier |
| 20:32.37 | Hachiman | top yar |
| 20:39.26 | DrodoGMod | Servers who insist to play you music as you load in are the worst |
| 20:39.33 | DrodoGMod | Jesus christ |
| 20:39.54 | DrodoGMod | *insist on playing you music |
| 20:40.37 | DrodoGMod | I don't want to spend my fifteen-or-so minutes loading in learning about your goddamn music tastes >.< |
| 20:42.07 | Monet | What kind of music is it normally? |
| 20:42.24 | DrodoGMod | Varies |
| 20:42.40 | DrodoGMod | Don't mind *this* track currently, pretty decent hip-hop track |
| 20:43.05 | DrodoGMod | But a lot of the time its either cancerous meme songs or really bad-quality EDM/dubstep |
| 20:43.16 | DrodoGMod | ...Like this one now |
| 20:43.22 | DrodoGMod | Just switched track |
| 20:43.58 | NeonPanda | heh |
| 20:44.08 | NeonPanda | I joined one 40k server whose load track was mostly Sabaton |
| 20:44.32 | DrodoGMod | Huh |
| 20:44.43 | Monet | One of my first CoD matches some kid was playing "California" though their speakers. |
| 20:45.38 | Hachiman | >Sabaton |
| 20:45.43 | Hachiman | Bet that got old quick |
| 20:46.21 | NeonPanda | not really |
| 20:53.01 | dino82_ | Sabaton is nice |
| 20:54.26 | DrodoGMod | Yeah, they actually did a soundtrack DLC for EUIV |
| 20:54.33 | DrodoGMod | I have it, its pretty good |
| 20:55.52 | Monet | OluapPLayer: Free now |
| 20:56.29 | OluapPlayer | Now I'm the one unavailable |
| 20:57.16 | DrodoGMod | Oh finally a good loading track |
| 20:57.18 | Monet | Whoopsie XD |
| 20:58.33 | Monet | Actually you spoek of bags |
| 20:58.56 | Monet | On seocnd thoughts I just remmebered |
| 20:59.02 | Monet | I don't think you can send items cross-realm |
| 20:59.04 | OluapPlayer | I can play once I'm done with this rp i'm doing |
| 21:01.17 | DrodoGMod | Aaand a cancerous meme song |
| 21:05.21 | Monet | "Argent Squire [pet] - this creature cannot battle" |
| 21:07.16 | Monet | awI certainly hope not. |
| 21:07.39 | OluapPlayer | Our dreams of forcing children to kill rabbits and fawns has been shattered |
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| 21:07.50 | Monet | Though it would be funny to watch a 10 year old boy doing a Pokemon-style battle with a panther cub or something. |
| 21:08.44 | Monet | My Alliance Balloon also can't eb used for battles |
| 21:10.04 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 21:10.34 | OluapPlayer | Balloon's moves consist of floating threateningly at the enemy pet |
| 21:11.36 | OluapPlayer | My team of fighting pets are a baby murloc, a macaw and a rabbit |
| 21:12.03 | OluapPlayer | I got a tiny val'kyr, a skeleton in a sombrero and a succubus to level up next |
| 21:12.20 | ImpyDroid | NeonPanda dino82_: Am I the only person who listened to Rise of Evil after Trump was elected? |
| 21:12.33 | NeonPanda | probably not, but I didn't |
| 21:12.36 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: A pet succubus |
| 21:12.42 | ImpyDroid | That sounds... |
| 21:12.52 | OluapPlayer | Yes, there's a pet succubus |
| 21:13.00 | OluapPlayer | She drops out of one of the bosses at Black Temple |
| 21:13.26 | OluapPlayer | I didn't actually get her via drop though, I found her at the auction house |
| 21:14.12 | ImpyDroid | Yeah but a pet succubus is either a tiny miniaturised succubus (which I assume is what she looks like) |
| 21:14.19 | ImpyDroid | Which feels... weird |
| 21:14.26 | ImpyDroid | Or a child succubus |
| 21:14.31 | ImpyDroid | Which feels... weirder |
| 21:14.35 | OluapPlayer | It's a normal succubus but rabbit-sized |
| 21:15.12 | OluapPlayer | It's not a chibified version like the Unborn Val'kyr |
| 21:15.18 | OluapPlayer | Though that'd be pretty cool hur |
| 21:15.48 | NeonPanda | there's a chibi succubus pet in FFXIV that hangs off your shoulder, I never got around to getting mine |
| 21:16.07 | dino82_ | @Imp: Whaha, I certainly hope not that that willb e the outcome |
| 21:16.31 | ImpyDroid | I try not to think about what kind of childhood creatures like succubi have |
| 21:16.59 | OluapPlayer | I doubt demons in Warcraft have child states of any description |
| 21:18.16 | OluapPlayer | Monet: Okay now I'm free |
| 21:18.36 | Hachiman | Child succubi are loli succubi |
| 21:20.01 | DrodoGMod | Welp |
| 21:20.06 | DrodoGMod | Got on to the server |
| 21:20.38 | DrodoGMod | Stole an unlocked car, and drove a mob boss and a hobo, both heavily armed, over a few streets when asked |
| 21:20.46 | DrodoGMod | Hobo paid be 30 000$ for it |
| 21:20.51 | DrodoGMod | *paid me |
| 21:22.39 | dino82_ | bye bye till next itme :d |
| 21:23.02 | OluapPlayer | Woo I got my money back on that armor I bought by accident |
| 21:23.08 | OluapPlayer | Praise the auction house |
| 21:24.22 | Monet | DrodoGMod: THat's a very generous hobo |
| 21:24.37 | DrodoGMod | ^ |
| 21:26.42 | Monet | OluapPlayer: The concerning thing is as far as I can work out, most Legion demons are aliens brought into the Legion's fold and corrupted by Fel energy |
| 21:27.07 | OluapPlayer | I don't believe races like Dreadlords were ever not demons |
| 21:27.20 | Monet | Look at the Eredar. |
| 21:27.40 | OluapPlayer | They're one case. Some races seem to have been born straight as demons |
| 21:29.32 | ImpyDroid | There are a few demon races whl were always demons |
| 21:29.36 | OluapPlayer | Dreadlords, succubi, pit lords. I think these were demons from the start |
| 21:29.46 | ImpyDroid | Let me check |
| 21:31.08 | ImpyDroid | Chronicles mention fel hounds, infernals, dreadlords and pit lords |
| 21:31.29 | ImpyDroid | About succubi, one lore post implied they could have been corrupted but does not outright confirm it |
| 21:32.42 | ImpyDroid | http://wow.gamepedia.com/Incubus There are three theories about succubi here and two of them imply they were not always demons |
| 21:43.55 | Hachiman | Cyrannian: >To Catch a Senator |
| 21:44.55 | Cyrannian | It isn't a "to catch a predator" reference hur |
| 21:45.14 | Hachiman | Suuure |
| 21:46.08 | DrodoGMod | Though, I *would* watch "To Catch a Senator" <.< |
| 21:47.53 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Gimme a name for an elven luxomancy school |
| 21:53.04 | ImpyDroid | Phosilaré |
| 21:53.37 | Hachiman | I meant more a title, like Grand-Collegium, but that's cool sounding |
| 21:54.45 | ImpyDroid | Oh |
| 21:55.21 | ImpyDroid | Palazzo of the Luminates |
| 21:55.48 | Hachiman | Palazzo? |
| 21:57.03 | ImpyDroid | You know like the Italian palazzos |
| 21:57.43 | ImpyDroid | palazzi |
| 21:57.48 | ImpyDroid | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace#Italy These ones |
| 21:58.07 | Hachiman | Oh right |
| 21:58.51 | Cyrannian | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/87/ToCatchASenator02.png/revision/latest?cb=20161111215833 - c dis |
| 21:59.29 | Hachiman | "Hello, I'm Cyr Hansen, would you like to take a seat?" |
| 22:02.14 | Cyrannian | wat |
| 22:02.56 | Hachiman | From To Catch a Predator |
| 22:07.29 | Cyrannian | I've never watched it, but I know the general gist |
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| 22:15.19 | ImpyDroid | No, I did not hear Panda talk about microagressions and hate speech |
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| 22:15.23 | ImpyDroid | What a loss |
| 22:15.27 | ImpyDroid | Hi Tybu |
| 22:16.19 | Tybusen | Hello |
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| 22:18.51 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 22:25.10 | Tybusen | Thinking about the GSC's demographics has made me think about how the species that the GSC has "conquered" are distributed |
| 22:26.59 | Tybusen | Since there are a couple species that are from areas now under GSC control who pretty much don't make up a significant part of the population anymore, not even in their original home worlds |
| 22:27.01 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannian_Cold_War/To_Catch_a_Senator - new story with OluapPlayer, take a look |
| 22:27.11 | Hachiman | rite will |
| 22:31.07 | Tybusen | There's one conquered GSC species that I'm thinking about who pretty much had their homeworld turned into a touristy pleasure paradise, I don't know how grave the implications are of that |
| 22:32.34 | Charles_Bot | You could look to gentrification and urban renewal for inspiration |
| 22:33.36 | NeonPanda | ImpyDroid: That was PC as in Personal Computer, not Politically Correct :P |
| 22:34.21 | Charles_Bot | #totallysubtlesocialcommentary |
| 22:35.16 | Tybusen | Well, the thing I'm more unsure of is whether they're even still a significant portion of the population on their homeplanet now |
| 22:35.59 | Tybusen | Since there's at least one conquered GSC species who got devastated so bad that they barely register on the national census |
| 22:36.33 | Charles_Bot | #totallynotgenocide |
| 22:36.49 | Tybusen | I guess yeah it's more or less genocide |
| 22:38.18 | Tybusen | That species in particular was one of the first enemies of the GSC, got conquered, tried to rise up in rebellion during a different war, got smacked down again, and then forcibly scattered from their home regions |
| 22:39.25 | Tybusen | It seems like a dark thing to put in the GSC's history but it's what reconciles their history with the fact that none of these conquered species seem to be major factors in GSC society now |
| 22:40.49 | Tybusen | Unlike the TIAF who did conquer some species but didn't destroy their populations or force them into a diaspora (and so they're still a significant factor in TIAF society) |
| 22:45.14 | DrodoGMod | Who would've turned the world in to a touristy paradise? |
| 22:45.48 | DrodoGMod | If it were the natives of that world through shrewd development projects (and probably also lots of loans <.<) then I can see those natives being very prosperous and rich |
| 22:46.38 | DrodoGMod | But if it was a matter of like a company or the provincial/federal government buying up all the land from a bunch of poor natives and giving them the boot that way, or forcing them out because they can no longer afford the gentrified property, then there's that |
| 22:46.56 | DrodoGMod | *property/region |
| 22:47.16 | DrodoEmpire | Or maybe the natives benefit from the new development because it creates jobs, I dunno |
| 22:47.43 | Tybusen | It was basically a bunch of non-native colonists looking at the place after it had kind of recovered from the war, and saying "hey this place is kind of nice, we could make big bank on an ecotouristy casino complex" |
| 22:47.55 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 22:48.34 | Tybusen | Think of kind of a combo of Las Vegas and how Hawaii's culture gets co-opted for tourists |
| 22:48.36 | DrodoEmpire | So basically a handful of wealthy immigrants/expats come over and begin investing |
| 22:48.46 | DrodoEmpire | And developing and whatnot |
| 22:48.54 | Tybusen | Yeah |
| 22:49.09 | DrodoEmpire | Right. Well, that doesn't have to be a bad thing at all for the natives |
| 22:49.17 | DrodoEmpire | So long as its fair or ethical |
| 22:49.29 | DrodoEmpire | An act of capitalistic free enterprise as opposed to colonialism :p |
| 22:49.41 | DrodoEmpire | But something tells me that isn't what happens |
| 22:50.01 | Tybusen | Right but the species who probably lead the development efforts belong to the same species who pretty much caused the planet's devastation in the first place |
| 22:50.20 | DrodoEmpire | Well... That doesn't say too much >.< Its a whole species |
| 22:51.02 | DrodoEmpire | Are they of the same nationality, at least? Were the investors also involved in the war effort, directly or indirectly? |
| 22:51.08 | Tybusen | The conquest of this species was a result of two species who were in a wartime alliance with this species basically saying "y'know this war isn't going too well, how about we carve up this species that's sitting in between us" |
| 22:52.00 | Tybusen | The planet in question is Coresai, if you're looking at the GSC pages for reference |
| 22:52.38 | Tybusen | The Valaro and Vulpar both decided to stab the Coresians in the back to get some territory and score some brownie points with the GSC, who was at war with the Valaro-Vulpar-Coresian alliance |
| 22:53.08 | Tybusen | So naturally there's some bad blood between the Coresians and the Valaro and Vulpar |
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| 22:55.04 | drom | Hello Tybusen! |
| 22:55.11 | drom | It has been a while |
| 22:55.14 | Charles_Bot | DrodoEmpire: |
| 22:55.16 | Charles_Bot | If you can |
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| 22:55.21 | Charles_Bot | Take political economy |
| 22:55.28 | Charles_Bot | I have a feeling that you'd love it |
| 22:55.30 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 22:55.40 | Charles_Bot | If you're enjoying human geography |
| 22:55.56 | drom | Hey Random |
| 22:56.16 | Tybusen | drom: Hello |
| 22:57.24 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 22:58.00 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: If you want an idea of how bad the Valaro and Vulpar messed up Coresai, this is a planet that was a species homeworld that now gets most of its food from imports rather than self-growing it |
| 23:00.51 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQKzesTq0Wo |
| 23:00.59 | DrodoEmpire | Charles_Bot: I'll think about it! |
| 23:01.32 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: Dunno if that indicates that the world got "messed up" |
| 23:01.39 | DrodoEmpire | I figure many SW planets import their food |
| 23:01.47 | DrodoEmpire | Especially if they're highly developed |
| 23:02.11 | Tybusen | I would think most homeworlds are self-sufficient on food |
| 23:02.37 | DrodoEmpire | Why? |
| 23:02.45 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: a y y l m a o |
| 23:02.52 | Tybusen | Well, probably depends on how old the homeworld is too |
| 23:02.54 | Tek0516 | In the Foundation series the Imperial capital planet Trantor was stated to require 20 farm worlds just to sustain itself. |
| 23:03.05 | NeonPanda | I'd say it depends on the planet |
| 23:03.14 | DrodoEmpire | Depends *greatly* on the planet |
| 23:03.37 | DrodoEmpire | Usually, for a species-wide empire, the homeworld comprises the political and economic capital |
| 23:03.41 | NeonPanda | a planet like Coruscant would NEED food imported, but Naboo could probably manage self-sufficiency, for example |
| 23:04.17 | Tek0516 | Tybusen: I'd argue it'd be the opposite in many cases. Those highly developed homeworld would be a thriving and dense political and industrial center that may over take farmland as its population continuesto grow. |
| 23:04.20 | DrodoEmpire | Being such, that leaves little room for rolling fields of wheat able to feed an enormous population that is likely growing from migration to it |
| 23:04.54 | DrodoEmpire | Can Washington DC sustain itself on the countryside and suburbs in its immediate vicinity? |
| 23:05.03 | DrodoEmpire | (To use an RL example) |
| 23:05.05 | Wormy_ | Maybe it depends on the wealth of the colonists and age of the planet. All will need terraforming or the engineering of habitats, that are not homeworlds. |
| 23:05.16 | Charles_Bot | Paris is most definitely reliant on food, energy, raw materials, finished goods, etc import |
| 23:05.24 | Tybusen | Most of the major homeworlds/capitals in Bunsen aren't Coruscant-style planetary ecumenopoli |
| 23:05.35 | DrodoEmpire | Well... It doesn't need to be |
| 23:05.47 | DrodoEmpire | And for the record nor is Coron, the Drodo homeworld |
| 23:05.56 | Wormy_ | Foir the Delphans, it is all quantum replicators rigged the the Interstellar Grid |
| 23:06.17 | Wormy_ | But most DCP worlds are quite shallow in population |
| 23:06.36 | DrodoEmpire | It can still be a highly-urbanised world, whose population outstrips the capacity the world has to grow food even if much of the planet outside the cities is farmland |
| 23:07.23 | NeonPanda | Fordanta have an all-meat diet, so it'd most likely be functionally impossible for most primary worlds to support themselves |
| 23:07.30 | Tybusen | What I've been imagining more is that species homeworlds probably have a high level of agricultural development left over from their pre-interstellar days, when the planet had to have enough food to feed everyone living there |
| 23:07.47 | DrodoEmpire | This one in particular? |
| 23:08.18 | Charles_Bot | Right, though extrasolar agriculture would enable the planet to grow far past its capacity |
| 23:08.21 | drom | The_Randomness Ghelae Tybusen Tek0516 Wormy_ - I rise you this: http://whatthecommit.com/ |
| 23:08.32 | Charles_Bot | Its original capacity* |
| 23:08.34 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 23:09.06 | DrodoEmpire | Charles: Maybe, it'd definitely relieve some burden |
| 23:09.17 | Tybusen | I've based most of my economic conceptions of Bunsen on the idea that species homeworlds have the agricultural capacity to be food-independent because they had to be when they were simply isolated pre-interstellar planets |
| 23:09.34 | DrodoEmpire | Right, but things change and they change rapidly |
| 23:09.51 | Tek0516 | Tybusen: Though even IRL the cities have long pushed into farmland and built on top of it. |
| 23:10.42 | Wormy_ | "Feed. You. Stuff. No time." |
| 23:10.47 | Wormy_ | strangely synchronous |
| 23:10.55 | DrodoEmpire | This isolated, divided pre-interstellar world could easily over the course of a few centuries or even decades grow vastly in population from immigration and develop rapidly in secondary and tertiary industries, which would both mean the world can't feed itself |
| 23:11.16 | Charles_Bot | And it's not a bad thing that it can't |
| 23:11.19 | NeonPanda | There's also the possibility that their agricultural development scaled up and became more refined as they went. The whole farm skyscraper idea. |
| 23:11.26 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah sure |
| 23:12.35 | DrodoEmpire | There's ways to relieve some of this pressure but the idea that a political-economic centre can feed itself is unlikely, unless it itself made its millions from agriculture perhaps |
| 23:13.00 | DrodoEmpire | This is assuming of course this world *was* of great prominance, which should've been my first question |
| 23:13.03 | DrodoEmpire | *prominence |
| 23:13.06 | Tybusen | I'm arguing something along the lines of agricultural technology keeping pace with the times such that major early interstellar worlds can feed themselves |
| 23:13.36 | DrodoEmpire | They might *have* to, but I think this balance wouldn't last long |
| 23:13.39 | Tybusen | And then that infrastructure being retained even as the society enters an era where food can be transported to other planets more easily |
| 23:13.56 | DrodoEmpire | Why would the infrastructure be retained? |
| 23:14.27 | DrodoEmpire | If one can buy cheap food from a rural world that produces it out the arse, why not bulldoze that old farming facility and build some office buildings or a factory? |
| 23:15.10 | Tybusen | It might depend on the circumstances in which they emerge into the interstellar community |
| 23:15.14 | Charles_Bot | Especially because the price of land and labor is going to be extremely high on the home planet |
| 23:15.27 | Charles_Bot | In relation to the planets on the periphery |
| 23:15.29 | DrodoEmpire | You *could* of course nationalise some or otherwise protect it, but that would in turn hurt economic development |
| 23:15.59 | Charles_Bot | And you're less likely to find people willing to do jobs like that due to a generally more skilled workforce |
| 23:15.59 | Tybusen | If they're in an unstable interstellar community there might be some desire to keep the homeworld able to support itself even if the fledgling empire gets cut off |
| 23:16.28 | DrodoEmpire | Well, maybe. But you're thinking as a strategist worried as to what will happen if a war comes |
| 23:16.53 | DrodoEmpire | I'm thinking as a civil engineer, or a capitalist, or a politician who is worried about what the economy and society looks like in peacetime |
| 23:17.00 | DrodoEmpire | Which ideally and usually makes up most time |
| 23:17.42 | DrodoEmpire | You could have a country full of worlds that could sustain themselves in the event of the siege |
| 23:17.49 | DrodoEmpire | But you'd have a pretty poor country |
| 23:18.25 | Charles_Bot | In wartime, what the French have done is plan that the major planets will act as fortress worlds with the major military industries, protected behind a planetary shield and a food supply to last it during a siege for months |
| 23:18.25 | DrodoEmpire | Or you could have a country full of specialised worlds built on free enterprise and government encouragement, that while vulnerable to being besieged, make the country very very rich |
| 23:18.35 | Charles_Bot | ^ |
| 23:18.41 | Charles_Bot | And more able to actually defend itself |
| 23:18.53 | Charles_Bot | Not to mention project power |
| 23:21.53 | Charles_Bot | There's also the fact that if everyone is interdependent economically and dependent on the system for their ability to fight a war and remain powerful, they have a vested interest to defend that system and their relationships with other states |
| 23:22.00 | Charles_Bot | As opposed to competing and distrusting them |
| 23:22.29 | Charles_Bot | So you're trading competitive security for collective security |
| 23:30.06 | Wormy_ | OluapPlayer, Hachiman: http://imgur.com/gallery/jCU50ts |
| 23:30.36 | Hachiman | What the fuck |
| 23:31.20 | Charles_Bot | Waaaat |
| 23:31.41 | Wormy_ | A glitch in the Matrix |
| 23:34.12 | Charles_Bot | DrodoEmpire: I've actually established that entire French galactic territories are not self-sustaining in food and water |
| 23:34.19 | Charles_Bot | They import |
| 23:34.55 | DrodoEmpire | huh |
| 23:35.13 | Charles_Bot | French Mirus, Galactica |
| 23:35.22 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: ... O.o |
| 23:35.23 | Charles_Bot | French Bunsen |
| 23:36.12 | Charles_Bot | French Andromeda's middle is the agricultural breadbasket of the empire |
| 23:36.55 | Tek0516 | So the secret to genociding the French is in Andromeda. :P |
| 23:37.14 | Charles_Bot | As I've said |
| 23:37.41 | Charles_Bot | The French Empire is an interdependent system whose parts are indispensable to the functioning of the whole |
| 23:38.04 | Charles_Bot | And which make the whole system greater than the sum of its parts |
| 23:38.26 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 23:46.44 | Charles_Bot | Galactica also slapped on food tariffs in order to grow its own domestic agriculture in order to be self sufficient in food and water, given the threat posed by the Rambo cutting them off from the rest of the Empire by destroying a single wormhole. The same goes to a great extent for military industry. Problem is, Galactican consumers pay more for food than |
| 23:46.44 | Charles_Bot | anyone in the French Empire, and the Galactican government pays more for military hardware than its counterparts |
| 23:48.35 | DrodoEmpire | Right >.< |
| 23:48.37 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm |
| 23:48.55 | DrodoEmpire | I've thought that a fairly big sector of the Union would be agriculture, so there's that |
| 23:49.40 | DrodoEmpire | It could be that the Union cuts some sorta deal with Galactica for cheaper food or smoother trade in that regard |
| 23:50.07 | Charles_Bot | Ooh |
| 23:51.59 | Charles_Bot | DrodoEmpire Yeah, I was actually thinking that the tariffs would only be on imports from outside the Quadrants |
| 23:52.13 | DrodoEmpire | Makes sense |
| 23:52.24 | Charles_Bot | Anything produced inside the NZ is safe and strategically accessible |
| 23:54.03 | Charles_Bot | So it's just a matter of coordinating tariffs to raise the price of food to keep out the massive factory farms of French Andromeda and enable local agriculture industries to compete |
| 23:54.45 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:56.21 | DrodoEmpire | I've had the idea that the Union has a shitton of agriworlds, and its economy is sustained largely off of being situated right along a major trade route. So they're able to easily sell and buy wares, cater to travellers, and set up tolls |
| 23:56.48 | Charles_Bot | Though it's important to remember that the clients are back in Xonexi |
| 23:57.08 | Charles_Bot | Dino has said that he doesn't trade with the Neutrality Zone, neither does Cyrannian |
| 23:57.18 | DrodoEmpire | Hm, right. |
| 23:57.26 | DrodoEmpire | All the nations? :p |
| 23:57.31 | DrodoEmpire | And as of when? |
| 23:57.52 | Charles_Bot | As of last week, the last time I spoke to him about the economics of the Quadrants |
| 23:58.15 | Charles_Bot | The state monopolies of Rambo Nation and the Lianna initiative only trade with Cyrannus |
| 23:58.40 | DrodoEmpire | I figure its also a popular destination for the poor and veterans, both of whom are encouraged to and do buy up cheap land and set up farms |
| 23:58.44 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 23:59.42 | DrodoEmpire | (Which is why the agricultural sector is so big) |
| 23:59.50 | Charles_Bot | Galactica - *throws investment into Union agribusiness and land speculation* |
| 23:59.54 | DrodoEmpire | (While the agricultural sector in the mainland- slowly- decreases) |
