| 00:13.33 | Monet | "Pessimists and optimists view the same world in different lights. Were the world a sea of excrement, the pessimist would stand knee deep and concede "this is all there is", while the optimist would fish in the hope of finding that rare discarded necklace. But should one gaze upon the other, in those eyes they perceive delirium. |
| 00:14.45 | Hachiman | Meanwhile, the opportunist steals the optimist's fish while they're gazing at one another |
| 00:16.04 | Technobliterator | Well, the pessimists are less disappointed when something bad happens because they expected it, while they're more excited when the optimist happens |
| 00:16.18 | Technobliterator | The caveat, obviously, is being miserable throughout the process |
| 00:17.54 | Monet | I like to think A strong optimist steels himself against the pain disappointment. |
| 00:18.37 | Hachiman | Yes, but not many people are strong optimists |
| 00:19.22 | Monet | Not many people are strong in general. |
| 00:19.46 | Monet | Well, the figures aren't accurate. |
| 00:20.16 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Khara_Greenforge Anyway this is mostly done |
| 00:20.34 | Monet | Though now we might be getting into the line about eyes |
| 00:39.08 | Monet | I personally would rather face the full sting of disappointment and spend the rest of the time in positive airs. But people are different and we all have our preferences. |
| 00:39.46 | Monet | Life is hard, for some the best way to endure is to focus on the good things in life. |
| 00:51.38 | Wormy_ | Both optimism and pessimism are irrational, in epistemological terms |
| 00:52.21 | Wormy_ | But the future, is a problem for us all.# |
| 00:53.57 | Monet | It's like light vs dark. |
| 00:54.25 | Monet | Both have their merits, and to be purely one or the other is unhealthy. |
| 00:57.43 | Wormy_ | The reason theyr'e irrational is that both are limited philosophies that deny any other critical examination as wrong, i.e. "the worst will happen" or the "the best will happen" |
| 00:58.38 | Wormy_ | Both ends accuse each other of being wrong, but both as general principles, are just inept attitude at facing real issues in the world |
| 01:00.25 | Wormy_ | Worse, sometimes as general principles people try to justify positive or negative predictions of the future, often without good explanation, and usually these sorts of predictions are wrong, or at worst short sighted |
| 01:01.57 | Monet | I'd say that's the line I gave fully deciphered |
| 01:02.28 | Monet | gives Wormy_ a thumbs-up |
| 01:02.41 | Wormy_ | Yes, it does agree with that line. However, there's no middle ground either |
| 01:04.29 | Wormy_ | A rationalist position is to view the world as a constant source of problems, many we can't prevent. But as we've seen in history, we can get better at fixing them. And the growth of knowledge is a wonderfully powerful thing |
| 01:05.32 | Wormy_ | One philosopher I like stated that the worst, short of human extinction or eternal torture, has already occured |
| 01:07.13 | Monet | I suppose in the proposed scenario, a realist would think of how to turn the crap into clean water. |
| 01:07.57 | Wormy_ | Nature played a cruel trick on our species. 200,000 years of our species existence, msny more if you count the other hominids, living lives that hardly ever changed, suffering that people did not know how to solve, or even how to go about solving them. And were at the absolute mercy of nature. Yet these people had virtually the same brains and minds as we do now |
| 01:08.40 | Wormy_ | It was the very powerful aspect of human thinking that in a sense helped trap people in this hell |
| 01:09.05 | Monet | The human brain's aversion to change? |
| 01:09.10 | Wormy_ | Yes |
| 01:10.03 | Wormy_ | Or more precisely, a cultural resistance to change, because ideas that transnit the longest, not by being adaptable but by being resistant, are thought to have dominated early cultures |
| 01:10.31 | Wormy_ | And so people used their creative to the opposite effect in suppressing new ideas |
| 01:10.37 | Wormy_ | *creativity |
| 01:11.22 | Wormy_ | That is why we must deem closed minded philosophies as irrational, because they resist rational examination |
| 01:14.19 | Wormy_ | But what you see in dynamic societies, are systems that work on flexible transmission of ideas, instutions of science, democracy, and the values of openness and tolerance. Now these systems are in a real sense traditions, but they are ones that self-correct as well as good at solving problems in the world |
| 01:15.47 | Wormy_ | Systems that value creativity and criticism essentially, fundamentals in the philosophy of science |
| 01:16.32 | Wormy_ | Technobliterator: I feel like I've gone on a philosophical whirlwind |
| 01:16.39 | Technobliterator | :P |
| 01:17.49 | DrodoEmpire | So yeah |
| 01:18.02 | DrodoEmpire | Also I need to start doing archery again |
| 01:18.24 | DrodoEmpire | I got a really nice bow that just sits and looks pretty in my room :p |
| 01:20.56 | Wormy_ | It might be surprise you that I have the same |
| 01:21.51 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
| 01:21.54 | DrodoEmpire | What sort of bow? |
| 01:22.00 | Wormy_ | Actually it got put in the leaky shed and probably rotted away now |
| 01:22.32 | DrodoEmpire | Oh dear |
| 01:22.33 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 01:22.51 | DrodoEmpire | I take pains to make sure mine stays in a climate-controlled room |
| 01:22.52 | Wormy_ | Wooden bow me Dad got me, he fired it once and and the arrow went over the garden and embedded itself in the neighbor's log chair |
| 01:23.00 | DrodoEmpire | Oh dear XD |
| 01:23.11 | DrodoEmpire | Mine's a nice recurve bow |
| 01:23.29 | DrodoEmpire | COmposite, recurve rather |
| 01:23.34 | DrodoEmpire | Which're even more sensitive to weather |
| 01:23.44 | Wormy_ | Its still part of English law to take mandatory archery lessons |
| 01:23.53 | DrodoEmpire | Yep |
| 01:24.28 | Wormy_ | That's probably an irony meme at play |
| 01:25.09 | DrodoEmpire | How so? |
| 01:25.31 | DrodoEmpire | The idea that all English *should* be practicing with the longbow while yours sits and rots? |
| 01:25.48 | Wormy_ | Either nobody bothered revising it, or it just stays there because people find it amusing enough to keep |
| 01:26.46 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, probably |
| 01:48.15 | Wormy_ | New H3 video on the Hugh Mungus lay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UAFJTAcMX0 |
| 01:48.18 | Wormy_ | lady |
| 01:51.39 | Tek0516 | Hm... what should I do first in Stellaris... Kill a giant space dragon, kill some giant crystal formation, or go to war against two of my enemies... |
| 01:55.25 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 01:55.35 | DrodoEmpire | ayy Hugh Mungus |
| 02:03.40 | Tek0516 | Oh s***. A FE gifted one of my enemies a battleship. |
| 02:35.40 | Tek0516 | I just murdered a Spaceport with destroyer Kinetic Artillery spam before they could even hit me with their first shot. XD |
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| 02:42.14 | Tek0516 | Hey The_Randomness |
| 02:42.25 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 02:42.39 | Tek0516 | I |
| 02:42.42 | Tek0516 | Whoops |
| 02:43.15 | Tek0516 | I murdered a spaceport with Kinetic Batteries before it could even hit me with its weapons. :P |
| 02:43.20 | The_Randomness | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.26 | The_Randomness | gross |
| 02:50.50 | Tek0516 | The_Randomness: I also found out after declaring war a FE had gifted one of my enemies a Battlecruiser (not battleship, though it was listed as the same size) |
| 02:51.14 | The_Randomness | FE? |
| 02:51.21 | Tek0516 | Fallen Empire |
| 02:51.24 | The_Randomness | ah |
| 02:51.25 | The_Randomness | wow |
| 03:07.42 | Tek0516 | They were outnumbered so badly it was a slaughter though. Lost only a single destroyer and cruiser. |
| 03:07.58 | The_Randomness | Nice |
| 03:09.44 | Tek0516 | Which space monster should I go after first after this war? The Ether Drake or some Crystal thing that I have no idea what it is... |
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| 04:23.14 | Tek0516 | Woo. Just got a psionics scientist. |
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| 05:40.47 | Liquid_Ink | Hey, can someone not arachnophobic look something up for me? |
| 05:45.39 | Tek0516 | Hm? |
| 05:48.14 | Liquid_Ink | What's the common name for solpugids? |
| 05:54.22 | Tek0516 | "Solifugae is an order of animals in the class Arachnida known variously as camel spiders, wind scorpions, sun spiders, or solifuges." |
| 05:55.35 | Liquid_Ink | Thank you |
| 06:21.11 | Tek0516 | Woo! Killed the Ether Drake in Stellaris! |
| 06:24.11 | Tek0516 | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BxShbbjT/2016_11_08_1.png |
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| 07:49.16 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 07:49.30 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: The elections have already begun, right, |
| 07:49.31 | ImpyDroid | ? |
| 07:49.34 | ImpyDroid | Any news? |
| 07:49.45 | Tybusen | Not yet |
| 07:49.54 | Tybusen | Election Day is technically in 10 minutes for me |
| 07:50.05 | Tybusen | But news won't come out until late tomorrow |
| 07:50.07 | ImpyDroid | Right |
| 07:50.33 | Tybusen | Early voting is already happening, but the voting booths won't be open until tomorrow morning |
| 07:50.40 | ImpyDroid | Just going to say, whatever happens, it was fun to watch |
| 07:50.52 | ImpyDroid | Your country has not been so... interesting in years |
| 07:50.55 | Tybusen | Fun to watch, nightmare to be stuck with |
| 07:51.01 | ImpyDroid | True that |
| 07:51.20 | ImpyDroid | All the leaks and all the scandals |
| 07:52.09 | ImpyDroid | By the end turns out we have a sexual harasser versus a person who is friends with Satanic cults |
| 07:52.24 | Tybusen | This election cycle has made me acutely aware of how flawed our government and society is and has made politics a very sore topic of discussion for me IRL |
| 07:52.28 | ImpyDroid | And somehow people still think these are the best people for the job |
| 07:53.20 | Tybusen | At this point the only people who think they're the best people for the job are either blind, deaf, insane, or any combination of the three |
| 07:54.28 | Tybusen | We *had* someone who would've been a good fit for the job, but we lost that with a rigged primary that a disheartening number of people still think wasn't rigged |
| 07:56.44 | Tybusen | Ultimately the best I can hope for on Wednesday is that, whoever has the White House, people will become more aware and angry about this shitty election |
| 07:59.03 | ImpyDroid | Yes that might be the waking up call for many |
| 07:59.16 | ImpyDroid | I wonder if Obama will be missed |
| 08:01.15 | Tybusen | Policy wise, Hillary is more or less Obama who wants to start a war with Russia, so I wonder if people will notice the difference if she's elected |
| 08:01.42 | Tybusen | Obama seems like a cool guy though policy wise he could have done more as a president |
| 08:02.08 | ImpyDroid | We are going to miss him, was a great scapegoat for our government |
| 08:02.30 | ImpyDroid | Much like Putin was for yours if I understand correctly |
| 08:02.45 | Tybusen | How are Russians reacting to the constant accusations by the DNC that Russia hacked them and is rigging the US election? |
| 08:03.45 | ImpyDroid | Either "lol, they use us as a scapegoat to cover their own problems" or "hell yes we did kekekekeke" |
| 08:04.25 | Tybusen | I'm worried that all this scapegoating of Russia will lead to an actual war if Hillary is in the White House |
| 08:04.41 | ImpyDroid | Noone is that stupid I hope |
| 08:05.26 | Tybusen | Especially since Hillary's been big on the no-fly zone in Syria, which could definitely lead to war if Putin doesn't acquiesce, which I imagine he won't |
| 08:06.19 | ImpyDroid | Oh you mean in Syria? That is more likely |
| 08:06.27 | ImpyDroid | That would be a clusterfuck |
| 08:08.46 | Tybusen | Everyone who's in Syria now have invested too much into their respective efforts to back down, I can't see a situation where establishing the no-fly zone doesn't lead to some armed conflict with the Russian army |
| 08:08.59 | Tybusen | Or air force, as it were |
| 08:10.19 | ImpyDroid | I seriously hope Putin won't be hawkish, low oil prices are hurtful as they are already |
| 08:10.24 | ImpyDroid | *painful |
| 08:10.44 | ImpyDroid | For all his bravado, he is reasonable, and can step away |
| 08:12.06 | Tybusen | Hope for the best, brace for the worst |
| 08:12.51 | Tybusen | Either way I think it's going to be a tough 4 years ahead |
| 08:12.59 | Tybusen | And hopefully only 4 years |
| 08:14.24 | ImpyDroid | On the side note, about scapegoats |
| 08:14.47 | ImpyDroid | And to lighten up the mood |
| 08:14.56 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=r8iDmQepLmY the cause of ALL problems in Russia |
| 08:15.06 | ImpyDroid | Wait no |
| 08:15.13 | Technobliterator | I really couldn't sleep :| the thought of a Trump win terrifies me too much |
| 08:15.22 | ImpyDroid | fucking links |
| 08:15.37 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: PROPAGANDA THE TRUMP WILL RISE |
| 08:15.40 | ImpyDroid | THE RISE OF EVIL |
| 08:16.11 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen Technobliterator: https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=G9hpCSR9aoo There |
| 08:17.00 | Tybusen | spasibo o6ama |
| 08:18.18 | Tybusen | It's times like these where I wonder if I should just start following existential nihilism and just enjoy life because nothing matters in the end |
| 08:19.15 | Tybusen | I'm already at existentialism, nihilism won't be that big of a philosophical leap away |
| 08:20.36 | Technobliterator | our only hope is latino voters |
| 08:20.47 | Technobliterator | they;re the one thing that can stop President Trump now |
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| 08:21.37 | Tybusen | At this point I've lost most of my ability to care |
| 08:22.02 | Tybusen | I despise both of the top candidates and either one will mess up the country in their own special way |
| 08:22.29 | Tybusen | Basically a choice between getting dicked in the ass or the mouth at this point |
| 08:23.15 | Tybusen | One sucks and the other is full of shit |
| 08:29.32 | Tybusen | I should probably stop talking, talking about the election makes me sad and angry and I still have to finish writing a paper on immigration by tomorrow morning |
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| 08:44.27 | Monet | Technobliterator: I recommend reading Simulacra and Simulation |
| 08:44.46 | Monet | for me it was an eye opener |
| 08:45.47 | Technobliterator | I will keep it in mind |
| 08:58.04 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: Good luck |
| 09:00.10 | Tybusen | Thanks |
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| 09:42.14 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 10:19.19 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Khara_Greenforge practically dun |
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| 10:29.34 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 10:29.52 | Hachiman | Hi |
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| 10:57.20 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 10:58.05 | DrodoEmpire | Oh yeah |
| 10:58.09 | DrodoEmpire | Its my birthday |
| 10:58.11 | DrodoEmpire | I forgot |
| 10:58.13 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 10:59.46 | Hachiman | Oh, happy birthday |
| 11:00.01 | DrodoEmpire | Thanks :3 |
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| 11:18.33 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 11:19.02 | Monet | Happy emergence day Drodo! |
| 11:19.09 | Monet | Hi |
| 11:21.25 | dino82_ | happy birthday Drodo! |
| 11:22.01 | DrodoEmpire | Thanks guys |
| 11:22.43 | Wormydroid | Happy birthday to you, you were born in a zoo ð¶ |
| 11:23.56 | Wormydroid | You look like a ð and you smell like one too |
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| 11:24.15 | Hachiman | look like a harambe |
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| 11:25.39 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 11:25.50 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 11:25.57 | Monet_2 | smacks Hachiman for confusing monkeys and apes |
| 11:25.59 | Monet_2 | Hi |
| 11:26.14 | dino82_ | hi |
| 11:28.32 | Wormydroid | Barbary apes and baboons confuse |
| 11:28.34 | Wormydroid | Me |
| 11:28.45 | Wormydroid | They look like apes to me |
| 11:32.00 | Monet_2 | I got thinking after playing Stellaris and recalling Gladiator. Seems whenever the word 'slavery' comes up the images are either dying like dogs in the arena or working half to death in fields. |
| 11:32.44 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, though most slaves' lives throughout history *were* hell |
| 11:33.52 | NeonPanda | DrodoEmpire: what day is it for you currently? (aside from birthday of course) |
| 11:34.24 | DrodoEmpire | Its the eighth of November |
| 11:34.27 | DrodoEmpire | Turning 17 |
| 11:34.47 | Monet_2 | True, but what I see comparatively little of is how house servants are treated. |
| 11:35.16 | DrodoEmpire | Sure |
| 11:37.48 | Monet_2 | I had wondered from this if for all the criticism of having it, the DI presented a deconstruction of slavery. |
| 11:38.36 | NeonPanda | what I find funny about this is, A) we have the same birthday, and B) we both forgot about our birthdays XD |
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| 11:39.50 | Wormydroid | So many people coughing |
| 11:40.09 | DrodoEmpire | Panda: olol |
| 11:40.59 | NeonPanda | Monet_2: I agree, like granted from the default human perspective slavery isn't the nicest thing ever, but there were plenty of examples of willing indentured servitude, which basically amounted to slavery |
| 11:41.21 | NeonPanda | and plenty of examples of people in those circumstances being treated pretty well |
| 11:43.05 | Monet_2 | It all comes down to the need for cheap labour. |
| 11:43.16 | NeonPanda | also, that glorious feeling in Space Engineers when you've almost managed to refine down the 400'000kgs of ore you mined up |
| 11:43.40 | Wormydroid | Heh |
| 11:45.01 | Monet_2 | In Stellaris, slavery is treated as some kind of "for the greater good" - collectivist slaves aren't unhappy, and the population sees positivity in it. |
| 11:48.06 | Monet_2 | I think if modern sweatshop practices and office hives are any indication, it's that slavery doesn't have to involve chains, restraints or beliefs that slaves are not fully people. |
| 11:50.18 | OluapPlayer | Monet_2: I started doing Pandaria yesterday and I feel really bad for the inhabitants of the place |
| 11:50.31 | OluapPlayer | The Alliance and Horde basically pushed their war into a place that had nothing to do with it and started arming the natives to fight for them |
| 11:52.24 | Monet_2 | I think it started with Garrosh havign dreams of empire, and the Alliance coming in thinking themselves heroes |
| 11:52.49 | NeonPanda | Monet_2: Collectivists don't think twice about individual sacrifice for the good of the whole, so of course they're ok with what amounts to slavery in human interpretations |
| 11:52.58 | OluapPlayer | Garrosh wants to conquer the place, the Alliance wants to find Anduin who's missing |
| 11:53.31 | Hachiman | >feeling sorry for the Pandaren |
| 11:53.39 | Hachiman | but deyr lmao panda furbait race |
| 11:53.58 | NeonPanda | shud always be sorry for pandas |
| 11:54.13 | Monet_2 | They had a war they knew nothing about spill onto their lands. |
| 11:54.26 | Hachiman | Panda's are now no longer considered an endangered species; we can do better, we have guns and they're stupid |
| 11:54.30 | Hachiman | *Pandas |
| 11:54.42 | OluapPlayer | Pandaren have been around since 2002 |
| 11:55.06 | Monet_2 | Pandas aren't endangered, but they're still under threat |
| 11:55.48 | NeonPanda | next time we in a restaurant, I'll live up to our diet- eats shoots and leaves |
| 11:56.07 | Hachiman | hur |
| 11:57.09 | NeonPanda | such an old joke, still a good one |
| 11:57.13 | OluapPlayer | I also grew up on the Jinyu, especially after their questline put their reputation all the way to Exalted |
| 11:57.26 | OluapPlayer | When I first saw them I thought they looked fucking retarded |
| 11:57.37 | OluapPlayer | I still do, but I got used to it |
| 11:57.48 | Hachiman | Fucking |
| 11:57.51 | Hachiman | Koifolk |
| 11:57.57 | OluapPlayer | Yes, carp men |
| 11:58.02 | OluapPlayer | Who are apparently evolved from murlocs |
| 11:59.03 | Monet_2 | They're a race of salmon of knowledge. |
| 11:59.15 | Hachiman | My father actually kept koi carp when he still lived with me |
| 11:59.28 | Hachiman | Koi are pretty nice fish |
| 11:59.51 | OluapPlayer | It only bothers me that the reputation bar got stuck at 0/1000 Exalted |
| 12:00.07 | OluapPlayer | It not being at 999/1000 bothers me severely |
| 12:01.28 | Monet_2 | But yes, the Jinyu are a group of murlocs who drank from some blessed river, granting them immense wisdom. |
| 12:01.55 | OluapPlayer | Every murloc subspecies looks incredibly ugly |
| 12:02.14 | OluapPlayer | Jinyu are bipedal carp, gorlocs are gaping mouths on legs |
| 12:02.17 | Monet_2 | I like the Jinyu |
| 12:02.29 | OluapPlayer | with giant dangling tongues |
| 12:03.34 | NeonPanda | oh btw Hachiman: I played a bunch of Tracer today in preparation for Sombra |
| 12:03.41 | Hachiman | Nice |
| 12:03.43 | NeonPanda | turns out, with the exception of the ult, I'm pretty decent with her |
| 12:03.46 | Monet_2 | The Horde have the Hozen, who actually throw their poop at you. |
| 12:03.51 | Hachiman | Also did you see new Counter Monkey |
| 12:03.58 | NeonPanda | I did |
| 12:04.14 | Hachiman | Now I understand why you think psionics is fucking awful |
| 12:04.15 | OluapPlayer | OOKIN' ALLIANCE |
| 12:04.44 | NeonPanda | I never really knew about them, just the general warning whenever I asked which was "Don't." |
| 12:04.47 | NeonPanda | now I understand |
| 12:04.48 | Monet_2 | I encountered several Hozen in Kun'Lai Summit who tried casting "throw derk" |
| 12:05.07 | OluapPlayer | Also wanted to note, yet another difficulty spike between from Cataclysm to MoP |
| 12:05.16 | OluapPlayer | -between |
| 12:05.24 | NeonPanda | I also wonder how those rules ever got into print |
| 12:05.26 | OluapPlayer | I'm doing poop damage to mobs again |
| 12:07.01 | OluapPlayer | Had grown so used to killing everything in one hit |
| 12:08.02 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14956517_1832221530388893_3248719898207102181_n.jpg?oh=d9762907e4dd7c7a5194eda97c70034c&oe=58999078 Amazon Prime |
| 12:08.26 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 12:08.45 | NeonPanda | I laughed a little too much at that |
| 12:12.24 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
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| 12:16.38 | NeonPanda | so once I've finished refining all this ore, I'm basically going to gut my existing mining ship and convert it into what amounts to a giant self-mobile gun, which I will use to destroy and salvage passing ships |
| 12:16.42 | NeonPanda | because mining is for boring people |
| 12:17.08 | Hachiman | Nice |
| 12:18.41 | NeonPanda | oh btw Hachi, in regards to that old is Reinhardt a Don Quixote convo, the lead dev said Reinhardt was somewhat based on the idea, though it doesn't quite apply to what he is now |
| 12:18.51 | NeonPanda | the lead dev on Reinhardt that is, not the game as a whole |
| 12:20.26 | Hachiman | Right |
| 12:20.47 | NeonPanda | so basically we're both right |
| 12:20.54 | NeonPanda | which is the best way to be, really |
| 12:21.26 | Hachiman | What I find amusing is that given the timeframe of Overwatch, Reinhardt is a Millennial and grew up in the 2010s |
| 12:22.19 | DrodoEmpire | http://i.imgur.com/PzwEa0z.jpg "He sank the boat he was working on just to kill the captain" |
| 12:25.24 | NeonPanda | this is true |
| 12:28.28 | NeonPanda | I needed about 50kg of magnesium for an ammo order so I mined 100'000kg of ore... think I've got just about enough |
| 12:29.50 | Monet_2 | Hopefully. |
| 12:45.48 | NeonPanda | well, the 40mm was effective, I'll say that much |
| 12:45.53 | NeonPanda | sadly there wasn't much left to salvage |
| 12:47.48 | NeonPanda | bbl |
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| 12:54.31 | NeonPanda | and I'm back |
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| 13:03.12 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 13:06.16 | Wormydroid | Monet http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37899902 |
| 13:10.31 | Monet_2 | We're heading towards the future but we need to consider technological consequences |
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| 13:25.18 | Tek0516 | NeonPanda: Slayed the Ether Drake last night in Stellaris https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BxShbbjT/2016_11_08_1.png |
| 13:25.59 | NeonPanda | nice work |
| 13:26.16 | NeonPanda | note to self: send a primarily corvette/destroyer fleet after it because you only seemed to have lost large ships |
| 13:26.39 | NeonPanda | I haven't run into a guardian yet |
| 13:27.56 | NeonPanda | I still have yet to get ahold of tachyon lances |
| 13:30.59 | Monet_2 | OluapPLayer: Though for the Pandaren there's *very* good reason to avoid conflict on their continent |
| 13:31.43 | Tek0516 | In my last war it turned out some FE had gifted my enemies a "battlecruiser" which turned out to be a blessing because that ship had debris for practically everything. |
| 13:32.25 | NeonPanda | hoh damn |
| 13:32.26 | OluapPlayer | Indeed |
| 13:32.42 | NeonPanda | so you could just cherry-pick whichever techs you wanted to research at any given time? |
| 13:33.20 | Tek0516 | I can't remember all of them but it definitely included Particles lances, T5 lasers, and T5 armour. |
| 13:35.14 | NeonPanda | noice |
| 13:36.17 | NeonPanda | my economy got pretty stunted because I had 30+ tiles blocked by toxic kelp but it was like five or six cycles after I settled the planets taht I got the tech to remove them |
| 13:37.30 | Tek0516 | I'm importing something like 60 energy/months to keep my income positive during war |
| 13:38.14 | NeonPanda | I usually have a good planet to commit just to power generation so I rarely have to bring in more power |
| 13:38.30 | NeonPanda | and of course I just absorb territory constantly |
| 13:39.00 | Tek0516 | I'm producing a lot I just can't seem to keep up with my fleet growth |
| 13:52.21 | Tek0516 | I also really need to prepare for FE wars at this point. I just hit -50 with the Xenophobe FE I border, I completely surround the Mateialist FE, I'm on good terms with the Xenophile FE but still border it. |
| 13:53.15 | NeonPanda | I do kinda wish I'd run into a materialist FE now that they can actually associate with you |
| 13:53.26 | NeonPanda | droids don't count for the AI ban do they? |
| 14:06.42 | Tek0516 | Pretty sure the AI ban is all robot pops. |
| 14:10.12 | Tek0516 | I have so many robot pops that banning them would be an economic disaster for me. |
| 14:15.06 | NeonPanda | I literally only use droids for the army unit |
| 14:15.10 | NeonPanda | so not that big a loss |
| 14:21.08 | Tek0516 | Between me and the sectors I have ~60 droid pops last I checked. |
| 14:21.36 | Tek0516 | Most of them built by the sector AI. |
| 14:23.24 | Tek0516 | NeonPanda: plus the research penalty if the Materialist FE makes me a subject will be painful |
| 14:24.23 | Tek0516 | I'm considering readying a full blitzkrieg of the Materialist FE since I'm literally the only thing it borders. |
| 14:24.36 | Tek0516 | Plus, ringworlds. :P |
| 14:24.58 | NeonPanda | ringworlds is a good reason to take them over before they get too narky, yes |
| 14:25.12 | NeonPanda | especially because I have the ringworld reconstruction mod |
| 14:26.18 | Tek0516 | Might give me the chance to stand on my own if any of the other two neighbours FEs awaken too |
| 14:27.16 | NeonPanda | I'm somewhat tempted to try the ringworld start once, though that's so utterly OP it'd be an easy win |
| 14:27.21 | Tek0516 | Yeah |
| 14:28.54 | Tek0516 | I actually have encountered ringworld native species through the Sanctuary events, the power of their world gets countered by the fact they can *only* survive on ring worlds (same with the Gaia preference trait) |
| 14:29.41 | Tek0516 | So adjusted to the perfect world they can't survive in a normal one. |
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| 14:59.34 | Monet2 | Hi |
| 14:59.48 | Tek0516 | Hey Monet2 |
| 15:00.27 | Tek0516 | Ugh, it's time for that class where you're banned from using any electronic devices. |
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| 15:06.44 | Monet2 | Hello |
| 15:07.26 | Xho | Hi |
| 15:08.35 | Hachiman | Xho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Khara_Greenforge Practically finished |
| 15:08.51 | Hachiman | And hi |
| 15:08.51 | Xho | I'll read later |
| 15:09.00 | Xho | Got to get this FUCKING uni application sorted out |
| 15:12.05 | Monet2 | It's like a CV but you get to talk more about your interests |
| 15:13.45 | Xho | it's a cunt of an application I'm telling you |
| 15:13.51 | Xho | I've got to add my exam grades |
| 15:13.54 | Xho | They want the exam board |
| 15:13.59 | Xho | I left school over 5 years ago |
| 15:15.29 | Monet2 | Do you still have your GCSE results anywhere? |
| 15:16.50 | Xho | Apparently not |
| 15:17.01 | Monet2 | It's a shot in the dark but if not maybe your old school still has them on record |
| 15:19.25 | Monet2 | you might be able to recover a few listed grades from your CV |
| 15:19.41 | Hachiman | They destroy them after 3-4 years |
| 15:20.07 | Hachiman | At least, as far as I'm aware |
| 15:20.33 | Monet2 | when in doubt, ask. |
| 15:21.33 | Xho | I have the grades |
| 15:21.36 | Xho | But not the exam boards |
| 15:22.28 | Xho | Ah well my friend's gonna help me later |
| 15:22.38 | Monet2 | Nice |
| 15:22.50 | Xho | Quite opportune that he's doing a second application through UCAS and we did almost exactly the same subjects |
| 15:23.19 | Monet2 | was going to suggest you look into which board your school uses |
| 15:25.15 | Xho | Ah well we'll see later |
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| 15:27.31 | Xho | Hachiman: "herself having little interest in sex and intimate, romantic relationships." perfect match |
| 15:27.37 | Hachiman | kek |
| 15:27.47 | Hachiman | She's saving herself for marriage |
| 15:28.06 | Xho | that's what they all sy |
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| 15:28.10 | Xho | say |
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| 15:36.56 | NeonPanda | they save themselves for marriage, then they forget to stop saving themselves |
| 15:38.11 | Hachiman | hur |
| 15:38.25 | Hachiman | >tfw the Discord chat gets onto the topic of gun ownership in the US |
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| 15:38.28 | Hachiman | Fucking shoot me |
| 15:38.34 | NeonPanda | heh |
| 15:39.04 | Monet | What did I miss |
| 15:40.35 | Hachiman | Just my Discord chat arguing about gun laws in the US |
| 15:40.42 | Xho | hao u got a discord chat |
| 15:40.48 | Hachiman | i got discord u |
| 15:40.57 | Xho | hao u got people to chat with |
| 15:41.08 | Hachiman | cus invited into groups 2 play games friendo |
| 15:41.24 | Hachiman | And how apparently any politician is better than Trump, even if they're war criminals, because at least they're not a misogynistic cuck |
| 15:41.24 | Xho | wat is love baby dont hurt me dont hurt me no more |
| 15:41.38 | Hachiman | That's not my words mind you |
| 15:42.07 | Technobliterator | I would be inclined to agree |
| 15:42.19 | Hachiman | wat |
| 15:42.38 | Monet | Truth and fiction, no longer are they separate |
| 15:42.44 | Hachiman | I'm not gonna argue about this lalalala~ |
| 15:42.55 | Technobliterator | we already had a war criminal leader |
| 15:42.59 | Xho | ochinchin ga daisuki nandayo~ |
| 15:43.06 | Technobliterator | it wouldn't exactly be very different |
| 15:43.16 | Technobliterator | but I don't want said war criminal leader to be a serial sexual abuser |
| 15:43.40 | Hachiman | I've had enough of the whole Trump v. Clinton thing so I'm not gonna throw my cents in |
| 15:43.51 | Hachiman | Politics is just cancer to talk about atm |
| 15:44.13 | Monet | first part I'm the same way |
| 15:45.04 | Xho | Hachiman: Hey I just had an idea for a character |
| 15:45.07 | Hachiman | Oh? |
| 15:45.22 | Xho | Spellcaster who graduated from the College of that place I can't remember right now |
| 15:45.32 | Hachiman | The one in Talmyr? |
| 15:45.35 | Xho | That's the one |
| 15:47.47 | Xho | Okay well that would be two characters because I forgot about the Eza'naerani |
| 15:48.00 | Hachiman | hur |
| 15:48.33 | Xho | I can make the Eza'naerani a bit different then |
| 15:49.00 | Hachiman | Make them a storm druid grill |
| 15:49.24 | Xho | I don't exactly know what a druid is for one |
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| 15:49.52 | NeonPanda | nature magic person, with a bit of british folklore for flavour |
| 15:50.22 | Xho | In that case it doesn't fit the Eza'naerani |
| 15:50.37 | Xho | Eza'naerani are basically nice versions of the Kicath, crudely put it |
| 15:50.46 | Xho | Stoic but not psycho |
| 15:50.50 | Hachiman | So they're industrialised? |
| 15:51.01 | Xho | They know their shit I guess |
| 15:51.09 | Xho | The Eza'naerani cities are edifices of stone and metal |
| 15:51.26 | Hachiman | >metal |
| 15:51.30 | Hachiman | Nah can't be druids |
| 15:51.31 | Xho | And mostly underground because the Polar Lands are fucking freezing |
| 15:52.15 | Xho | Either that or they're built inside circular mounds to shield them from the cold |
| 15:52.21 | Xho | Or both |
| 15:53.44 | Xho | I should do their page |
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| 16:00.25 | Monet2 | Hi |
| 16:00.33 | Xho | Hachiman: I got kicked from a Steam group because I told them their RPs were fucking dreadful |
| 16:00.49 | Monet2 | lol |
| 16:02.14 | Hachiman | lmao |
| 16:05.38 | OluapPlayer | Monet2: The Sha of Doubt just showed up |
| 16:05.40 | OluapPlayer | And oh fuck it's huge |
| 16:06.49 | Xho | I got kicked from my own fan group |
| 16:06.55 | Xho | I must be good at trolls |
| 16:07.09 | Hachiman | What the fuck |
| 16:07.20 | Xho | Yeah well I hate my fans so |
| 16:14.04 | OluapPlayer | edgelordo |
| 16:16.21 | Monet2 | OluapPlayer: The size of a Sha is directly proportional to the strength of its tied emotion within an area |
| 16:18.49 | OluapPlayer | Lot of doubt going on then since that thing was like the size of a small mountain |
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| 16:19.53 | Monet2 | the Sha of Anger is another big one |
| 16:20.11 | Hachiman | needs sha of lust |
| 16:22.34 | Monet2 | there's Sha for anger, despair, doubt, fear, hatred, pride and violence |
| 16:26.49 | Monet2 | The Sha are manifestations of emotions considered toxic |
| 16:29.02 | OluapPlayer | Last thing you want is a Sha of Lust when they're creatures born from the dying breath of a Lovecraftian terror |
| 16:30.25 | OluapPlayer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyZw_oqk7Q8 also new Mass Defect trailer |
| 16:32.48 | Hachiman | ASS EFFECT |
| 16:32.51 | Hachiman | ANDROMEDAAAAAAAAA |
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| 16:34.05 | Hachiman | "We're the aliens!" "My God..." |
| 16:34.35 | Hachiman | Oh come on more Reaper looking motherfuckers |
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| 16:35.07 | Monet | "Strong, is the cynic side now." |
| 16:35.36 | Hachiman | I dunno what to think of Ass Effect: Andromeda anymore now |
| 16:35.42 | Hachiman | I thought it was gonna be good but |
| 16:35.47 | Hachiman | Now it just looks kinda generic |
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| 16:36.33 | Monet | Never trust a trailer. |
| 16:36.34 | Monet | Hi |
| 16:38.05 | Monet | For me at least, Mass Effect was great right up until the very end, then I came to accept the endings weren't all that shitty and not-thought-out. |
| 16:39.17 | dino82_ | hi |
| 16:39.34 | OluapPlayer | I'm not giving EA my money that's for sure |
| 16:39.53 | Hachiman | You said this about Blizzard |
| 16:40.43 | Monet | And then you bought him Legion. So technically he hasn't given Blizz any money. |
| 16:41.30 | Hachiman | ... |
| 16:42.05 | Hachiman | was outsmarted |
| 16:42.41 | Monet | EA has a track record though. It's won a "worst company in America" twice and apparently hasn't learned much or realised this is a bad thing. |
| 16:44.41 | OluapPlayer | Haw haw |
| 16:45.10 | Monet | Although another factor is EA brought out Command and Conquer 4 (total pile of derk that killed the C&C franchise) and Mass Effect 2 (best Ass Effect of the trilogy) in the same year. |
| 16:45.46 | Monet | But admittedly, that was 2010. |
| 16:49.45 | Monet | It might be delusion but so far we have yet to hear about preorder bonuses/pre-release DLC/preorder collectibles/special editions or even the price. |
| 16:52.46 | Technobliterator | Imperios, Borealis War? :o |
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| 17:07.28 | Cyrannian | Hello everyone |
| 17:09.04 | OluapPlayer | ~destroy Cyrannian |
| 17:09.05 | infobot | no |
| 17:09.44 | dino82_ | hi |
| 17:10.06 | Cyrannian | ~smack OluapPlayer |
| 17:10.06 | infobot | ACTION smacks OluapPlayer upside the head. |
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| 17:42.17 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 17:52.20 | dino82_ | hi |
| 17:59.27 | The_Randomness | Sweet, looks like I'll only need to take two classes this spring |
| 18:02.35 | Monet | So I just saw a SLeeper Battleship in EVE |
| 18:02.51 | Monet | The info screen says it uses an unknown form of propulsion, then I saw this http://orig07.deviantart.net/f417/f/2016/313/2/e/2016_11_08_17_57_18_b_by_spacer176-danubf8.png |
| 18:03.24 | Monet | Look at the hull near the chevron |
| 18:03.53 | Hachiman | I don't get it |
| 18:05.27 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Does not look like I can do anything today sorry |
| 18:05.51 | Monet | WHat abotu this one http://orig05.deviantart.net/c8b2/f/2016/313/7/a/2016_11_08_18_04_09_b_by_spacer176-danubtr.png |
| 18:08.46 | Monet | I think the hull is being distorted by gravitational lensing |
| 18:11.29 | Monet | My hypothesis is that those antennae extending from the back of the ship create a spacetime "funnel" that propels the ship, withotu the use of conventinoal drives. |
| 19:09.26 | Xho | J, |
| 19:09.28 | Xho | Dammit |
| 19:10.03 | Monet | Hi |
| 19:28.59 | Xho | The best thing about getting clothes is that they're rarely ever out of my size |
| 19:31.07 | Xho | Huh well |
| 19:35.01 | Xho | I want to make an elvish character from Talmyr but there are no indigenous Dalmiric elves |
| 19:35.07 | Xho | whether to rectify this or not |
| 19:36.10 | Xho | Well the Natelevarà Elves are indigenous of Talmyr but they've been a dead culture for 4,500 years |
| 19:36.46 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 19:38.54 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Anti-royalist_Alliance |
| 19:38.58 | Imperios | Uriel - [TRIGGERED] |
| 19:39.00 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah... |
| 19:39.09 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo - *nervously adjusts collar* |
| 19:39.35 | Imperios | I read the page in Liberty Prime's voice |
| 19:39.59 | Imperios | "All democracy heroes who protest dictators and help them build democracy nations. " |
| 19:40.57 | Xho | ADJECTIVE MOTHERFUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT |
| 19:41.18 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:42.01 | Imperios | >Some nations or regions are democracy, but they ever colonized or conquered another nation or region, such as France and Germany, the kind of nations. |
| 19:42.11 | Imperios | These are counted as "neutral" |
| 19:42.41 | DrodoEmpire | They're basically hyperdemocratic fundimentalists |
| 19:42.52 | Imperios | As opposed to potential member states, which are, wait for it |
| 19:42.57 | Imperios | The USA and Taiwan |
| 19:43.03 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 19:43.15 | Imperios | ...Does he try to imply the USA or Taiwan never colonised or conquered another nation or region? |
| 19:43.21 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah the USA did a lot more colonialism than France <.< |
| 19:43.29 | Imperios | *Is he trying |
| 19:43.33 | Imperios | And Taiwan |
| 19:43.34 | Imperios | Well |
| 19:43.35 | DrodoEmpire | Possibly |
| 19:43.37 | Imperios | Well |
| 19:43.55 | DrodoEmpire | Really really shit examples overall >.< |
| 19:44.13 | DrodoEmpire | But I do wonder how he'd see something like the Drodo Empire |
| 19:44.45 | Imperios | But no I mean, Taiwan is one of the two successors to the Chinese civilisation, which was one of the codifiers of the very CONCEPT of empire |
| 19:44.52 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:45.10 | DrodoEmpire | Like, they're a republic, but the Premier has a lot of influence and is deferred a sort of respect that better fits a monarch-- and they have an aristocracy |
| 19:45.22 | DrodoEmpire | Which is overrepresented in government, to say the least |
| 19:48.27 | Xho | Hachiman Imperios OluapPlayer: Should I make an existing elf culture native to Talmyr or just keep the Natelevarà Elves alive |
| 19:48.41 | Hachiman | Keep them alive |
| 19:48.42 | OluapPlayer | don't know |
| 19:48.43 | Hachiman | Saves effort |
| 19:49.35 | Monet | I'm with Drodo. This alliance is one of fundamentalist democracy. |
| 19:49.51 | Monet | The FREEDUHM alliance. |
| 19:50.13 | Xho | Hm |
| 19:50.29 | Xho | Actually I might make a new race as their descendants and call them something else |
| 19:50.34 | Xho | That way both happen at the same time |
| 19:50.34 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Well no not even freedom |
| 19:50.51 | DrodoEmpire | If they were freedom fundimentalists I wouldn't have nearly the same problem |
| 19:50.58 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: I was being satirical Maybe half-aware. |
| 19:51.28 | Monet | Been busy |
| 19:51.39 | Hachiman | Xho: Makes sense |
| 19:51.46 | DrodoEmpire | In fact, they seem so dogmatically inclined towards democracy it seems like the perfect cultural breeding ground for something like fascism or militarism |
| 19:52.13 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: Some sort of populist movement? |
| 19:52.21 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps |
| 19:52.30 | DrodoEmpire | A populist movement gone wrong, anyway |
| 19:52.32 | Monet | Basically the militant belief that democracy is the only form of government that allows freedom. |
| 19:52.37 | DrodoEmpire | And given military power |
| 19:53.24 | DrodoEmpire | I doubt a democracy that remains constantly at war, particularly wars of ideology, will remain a democracy for long |
| 19:54.36 | Imperios | I wonder where this guy is from |
| 19:54.43 | Monet | There was indeed a time where an American Empire was considered something to strive for |
| 19:54.53 | Imperios | Well there's the obvious theory |
| 19:54.56 | Imperios | But I'd rather check |
| 19:55.04 | DrodoEmpire | I doubt he's from an English speaking country |
| 19:55.13 | Imperios | http://ip.domaintasks.com/36.232.61.146 |
| 19:55.14 | Imperios | Taiwan |
| 19:55.18 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, makes sense |
| 19:55.19 | Imperios | Now that explains things |
| 19:57.37 | Charles_Bot | France owned all of Africa |
| 19:57.41 | Charles_Bot | Half of it |
| 19:58.09 | Imperios | ^ Charles storms into the discussion to tell us about the glory of France |
| 19:58.16 | Charles_Bot | Lol |
| 19:58.56 | Charles_Bot | Satirizing myself is fun |
| 19:59.02 | Tek0516 | Also like a third of the US and a huge chunk of Canada. :P |
| 19:59.32 | Charles_Bot | Half of India too |
| 19:59.35 | Monet | I like how he lists Brtiain as "no real interest in partnership" despite how the Queen is only really a symbol of Britain now. |
| 20:00.04 | DrodoEmpire | Actually we still like the queen over here in Canada |
| 20:00.12 | Tek0516 | Yep |
| 20:00.50 | Monet | Does this mean the ARA isn't interested in relations with Japan? |
| 20:01.51 | Charles_Bot | Why is this even relevant? It's not in the main fictionverse if it's not referring to fictionverse human countries |
| 20:02.07 | Tek0516 | I'm not even sure what it is RP-wise |
| 20:02.57 | Tek0516 | It can't even exist like that in the fictionverse because it goes against our own nations |
| 20:06.11 | Imperios | It can exist in the fictionverse |
| 20:06.14 | Imperios | As some fringe rebel group |
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| 20:11.37 | Imperios | dino82_: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Anti-royalist_Alliance Look at this |
| 20:11.39 | Imperios | Just look at this |
| 20:11.41 | dino82_ | lost connection |
| 20:12.17 | dino82_ | hmm, a new fiction in the making |
| 20:12.19 | dino82_ | ? |
| 20:12.53 | Imperios | An anti-monarchist alliance |
| 20:12.58 | Imperios | In the Fictionverse |
| 20:13.03 | Imperios | Literally against half of the universe |
| 20:13.29 | dino82_ | Idd, a new threat |
| 20:13.33 | dino82_ | what is that against monarch anyway |
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| 20:14.00 | Tek0516 | If they hate colonialists doesn't that include literally every Sporewiki empire? >.> |
| 20:14.22 | DrodoEmpire | Hardly a threat, dino :p |
| 20:14.43 | DrodoEmpire | Assuming they're even canon they seem like they'd be some sort of radical fringe group |
| 20:14.49 | Tek0516 | In its current state it can't even be seriously considered canon |
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| 20:16.35 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 20:16.38 | Tek0516 | Imperios: It's clearly not supposed to be some fringe group though, it's obviously supposed to be some alliance including active participation by modern human states |
| 20:17.36 | ImpyDroid | I think modern human states are treated as examples |
| 20:21.51 | Tek0516 | The way they talk about Taiwan and Communists, they're definitely from Taiwan as you said the IP indicates. |
| 20:22.36 | Hachiman | Right I'm back twats |
| 20:22.44 | Hachiman | Monarchy is the only true way to rule a state |
| 20:23.03 | Hachiman | Ever since we implemented democracy, the UK has been on a swirling downward spiral |
| 20:25.17 | Tek0516 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/2015_Democracy_Index.svg I'm going to assume this is the score they reference on the page, where anything in green meets their minimum standards |
| 20:26.01 | DrodoEmpire | Well, to be honest I'm definitely not against the idea of a constitutional monarch with real power |
| 20:26.34 | Tek0516 | Monarchs are not inherently bad or evil be any measure. |
| 20:26.35 | Charles_Bot | Alexandre - hi |
| 20:26.40 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:26.52 | Monet | Tek0516: Interesting how many countries the AMA ignores due to "oh, they have a monarch" |
| 20:26.56 | DrodoEmpire | Nor is it incompatible with a form of democracy or council |
| 20:27.13 | Monet | Like Sweden - as utopian ias it is, has a bloody king. |
| 20:27.19 | Monet | has* |
| 20:27.39 | Tek0516 | Monet: If you ignore colonial powers and anyone who ever conquered anything you've got literally no one. |
| 20:27.42 | DrodoEmpire | They also had like the best king ever |
| 20:27.51 | DrodoEmpire | Gustavus Adolphus <.< |
| 20:28.00 | Monet | Norway also has a king. |
| 20:28.46 | dino82_ | I think the Gigaquadrant has some great monarch tha trule their respective empires fine |
| 20:28.47 | Monet | Their rating for democracy is also insanely good. |
| 20:30.26 | Monet | Teko516: That kind of proves how short-sighted the AMA's logic is. |
| 20:30.46 | Tek0516 | Norway, Sweden, Netherlands, Spain, Belgium, the UK, all of the Commonwealth realms, so many of them are thriving democracies. |
| 20:31.04 | Tek0516 | And I missed a couple |
| 20:31.19 | Monet | It's still a pretty solid list |
| 20:31.32 | DrodoEmpire | Jordan's current Monarch is fantastic |
| 20:31.40 | DrodoEmpire | Abdullah II I believe |
| 20:32.11 | Monet | A country with a democratic body may be more disinclined to engaging in war, certainly. It's an admirable quality. But democracies are not above war and conquest. |
| 20:32.23 | Hachiman | What we need is another Suleiman to rule Turkeyland |
| 20:32.42 | DrodoEmpire | He's developed and liberalised Jordan a lot, kept it stable despite the rest of the region deteriorating around him, and he has a military background |
| 20:32.55 | DrodoEmpire | Something of a warrior-king, really |
| 20:33.16 | DrodoEmpire | Also just a cool dude in general |
| 20:33.20 | Hachiman | >Abdullah II bin Al-Hussein |
| 20:33.24 | Hachiman | >al-Hussein |
| 20:33.40 | DrodoEmpire | Not that one >.> |
| 20:33.42 | Xho | >II |
| 20:33.45 | Hachiman | >bin |
| 20:33.49 | Xho | >- |
| 20:34.03 | DrodoEmpire | >Abd |
| 20:34.10 | Monet | 'bin' is Arabic for 'of' isn't it? |
| 20:34.16 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I believe so |
| 20:34.36 | Tek0516 | Just look at here in Canada: a strong democracy, excellent human rights, a strong diplomatic postion, one of the largest economies in the world. But we have a figurehead monarch with no power and a colonialist history and therefore are an enemy of democracy by the AMA's standards. |
| 20:34.56 | Hachiman | I hear his brother, Saddam, encouraged literature for youths in poverty in the Middle East before he was publicly executed |
| 20:35.39 | Monet | I don't think they're of the same family |
| 20:35.50 | Monet | Not imemdiate family anyway |
| 20:35.56 | DrodoEmpire | Well yeah no |
| 20:36.16 | DrodoEmpire | That's like saying two people with the surname "Smith" are cousins, or brothers |
| 20:36.21 | Hachiman | And I hear his distant cousin was the first black POTUS |
| 20:36.30 | DrodoEmpire | lul |
| 20:36.56 | Monet | "Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti was born in the town of Al-Awja, 13 km (8 mi) from the Iraqi town of Tikrit, to a family of shepherds from the al-Begat clan group" |
| 20:37.14 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.15 | Xho | fukn ay rabs |
| 20:39.24 | Hachiman | Fucking Tusken Raiders m8 |
| 20:40.09 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: I think it's closer to saying "That's like two people with the middle name Smith are brothers" |
| 20:40.41 | Monet | Depending on the case. |
| 20:41.36 | DrodoEmpire | Suppose so yeah |
| 20:42.03 | Monet | Barack's Dad was also born in a Kenyan village. For someone supposedly related to the son of an Iraqi shepherd that's quite the family distance. |
| 21:14.30 | dino82_ | bye bye |
| 21:22.47 | Hachiman | Xho: Make those wolverine beastmen and call their leader Lo-Gan the Immortal |
| 21:23.04 | Xho | 0/10 not a bad idea |
| 21:45.41 | Xho | So I wonder who's winning the election tonight |
| 21:46.05 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 21:46.12 | Hachiman | I've not really bothered to find a way to track |
| 21:46.42 | Monet | The BBC is keeping track |
| 21:46.46 | Monet | So far no news |
| 21:47.12 | DrodoEmpire | I want it to be a surprise <.< |
| 21:47.23 | Monet | It's 4:48 EST |
| 21:47.36 | Monet | So the polling stations are still open |
| 21:47.41 | Tek0516 | I have some news station on now as background noise. So another two hours until the first polls even close, though I think we're getting exit polls or something at the top of the hour. |
| 21:48.22 | Tek0516 | I think the first ones close at 7pm EST, but the final ones don't close for another six hours after that |
| 21:48.25 | Xho | If Trump wins then we can confirm that 2016 is the worst year of this millennium thus far |
| 21:48.50 | Monet | Apparently there's a tweet goign around |
| 21:49.27 | Monet | #Pantsuitnation |
| 21:51.41 | Tek0516 | CBC's coverage apparently starts in 10 minutes so I'll probably go with them instead of whatever US stations I can find for free. :P |
| 21:53.06 | Monet | For Britbongs I recall hearing Jeremy Vine's going to be covering. |
| 21:53.18 | Hachiman | Personally I feel it'd be worse if Hillary gets in |
| 21:53.49 | Monet | We get it |
| 21:54.09 | Hachiman | I was only giving an opinion |
| 21:54.30 | Monet | Which we've all heard. |
| 21:54.37 | Hachiman | Wow alright |
| 21:55.50 | Monet | http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2016/11/08/101-questions-and-answers-about-mass-effect-andromeda.aspx GameInformer sheds a 'little' light on what we might get in Andromeda. |
| 21:56.20 | DrodoEmpire | Monet don't be a cunt |
| 21:56.28 | DrodoEmpire | You bitch all the time about muh emails |
| 21:56.43 | DrodoEmpire | Let him discuss his opinion (which, to be fair, I also agree with) |
| 21:57.00 | DrodoEmpire | Or better yet, put all the election stuff away |
| 21:57.49 | Hachiman | Trump's a misogynistic, racist sleazeball who probably has no clue what he's doing, we all know that; but Hillary is the war criminal who influenced the Arab Spring, the political implosion of the Middle East, and had a hand in the European immigration crisis as a result, just saying |
| 21:57.57 | Hachiman | And that's all I'm gonna say |
| 22:04.28 | Technobliterator | I mean. Most of that stuff was Bush's fault, and this guy's policy platform basically is to be the next Bush, so I disagree with the argument that it therefore makes him better. |
| 22:04.47 | Technobliterator | However, I do not disagree with you that her foreign policy is grotesque |
| 22:04.48 | Technobliterator | it really is |
| 22:05.45 | Hachiman | Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a political ragefest and I'm gonna be civil and not challenge other people's opinions here since it's a heated yet tired topic |
| 22:06.05 | Hachiman | Who wins, America loses lul |
| 22:06.09 | Technobliterator | no, feel free to challenge opinions |
| 22:06.15 | Technobliterator | or at least, feel free to challenge mine :V |
| 22:06.20 | Technobliterator | you can challenge opinions while being civil |
| 22:06.55 | Hachiman | Normally I would but frankly I just want this election to be done with |
| 22:06.59 | Technobliterator | Fair enough |
| 22:07.05 | Hachiman | Already had to suffer through all the Brexit talks |
| 22:07.11 | Technobliterator | yeah, I was gone for those talks |
| 22:07.16 | Technobliterator | I had a family crisis at that same time |
| 22:07.36 | Technobliterator | we were strongly considering moving, because of Prime Minister Johnson |
| 22:07.48 | Technobliterator | though that was not directly related to the crisis we had |
| 22:12.07 | Hachiman | Right |
| 22:13.18 | Technobliterator | 2016's been a pretty shitty year |
| 22:13.25 | Technobliterator | shitty elections, too many cool people dying |
| 22:13.33 | Technobliterator | It has not been fun |
| 22:16.06 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/14925488_1129618277086967_5514730121238515152_n.png?oh=15e6ea35a1181d6b7c1276c36a5b8d4d&oe=5889A618 |
| 22:16.33 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
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| 22:59.53 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 23:10.05 | Wormy_ | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/eric-trump-ballot-picture-illegal-us-election-2016-new-york-twitter-a7405061.html |
| 23:14.26 | Hachiman | So? Other people have posted pics of their votes for Hillary |
| 23:19.15 | Technobliterator | But it's illegal in New York, Hachi |
| 23:19.26 | Technobliterator | In some states, it's illegal to post a selfie of your ballot |
| 23:19.29 | Technobliterator | He did that |
| 23:20.49 | Hachiman | I get that it's illegal |
| 23:21.03 | Technobliterator | In that state |
| 23:21.20 | Hachiman | But celebrities and such have posted their ballots for Hillary illegally and they're not being reprimanded by the media |
| 23:21.23 | Technobliterator | Nope |
| 23:21.27 | Technobliterator | They did it in states where it's legal |
| 23:21.32 | Technobliterator | Or not specifically stated that it's illegal |
| 23:21.52 | Hachiman | Eh, right |
| 23:22.55 | Technobliterator | https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7433241/map-update.11-8.0.png |
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| 23:31.00 | Liquid_Ink | http://digg.com/video/excavator-parody-titans-of-the-earth?utm_source=tumblr The miracles of nature. |
| 23:40.28 | Wormy_ | I'm making a police driving database for my project, had fun naming the drivers, gave "Tronald Dump" an orange car, and a "Suesy Moonbeam" yellow car with pink spots |
| 23:44.59 | Xho | Hachiman: "The U.S election. It's like trying to decide between either Gerry or Kate McCann to babysit your kids!" |
| 23:50.11 | Hachiman | hur |
| 23:50.57 | Wormy_ | Apparentely there's been a shooting at one of the polling stations, unknown details |
| 23:56.26 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiLXx-0W8Q4 Level 1 Fantasyverse got me like |
| 23:59.26 | Hachiman | hur |
