| 00:29.17 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 00:29.28 | DrodoEmpire | Fucking hell people the pun wasn't that bad |
| 00:29.31 | DrodoEmpire | >.> |
| 00:30.59 | OluapPlayer | There's nothing to talka bout |
| 00:31.46 | DrodoEmpire | Right right |
| 01:02.09 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwnqNcMUsAAeTO_.jpg:large |
| 01:03.11 | OluapPlayer | kek |
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| 02:31.43 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwlwBhlXcAEsJ6a.jpg:large |
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| 04:21.08 | Tek0516 | Woo! 99% to capitulation in this HoI4 war. >.> |
| 04:22.42 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 04:23.35 | Tek0516 | 125.9% World Tension. >.> |
| 04:24.30 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6b3pSTiR/hoi4_19.png |
| 04:24.49 | Tek0516 | :P |
| 04:25.04 | DrodoEmpire | Holy shit |
| 04:25.06 | DrodoEmpire | Nice |
| 04:26.34 | Tek0516 | ...I'm actually still in the Allies. >.. |
| 04:28.51 | Tek0516 | ...I'm also still at war with the Phillipines. O.o |
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| 06:38.09 | NeonPanda_ | Tek0516: just bought the Leviathan pack |
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| 11:46.03 | Monet | Hello |
| 11:46.48 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:47.11 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 12:11.17 | OluapPlayer | Monet: Do you know any YouTube channels with creditable class guides for WoW? |
| 12:14.17 | Monet | Can't really help on that field, sorry |
| 12:15.28 | OluapPlayer | Right. Trying to find a good warrior guide |
| 12:15.44 | OluapPlayer | Can't help but wonder if I'm doing something wrong |
| 12:17.45 | Monet | I may be able ot help |
| 12:24.02 | OluapPlayer | I'd like that |
| 12:29.50 | Monet | Maybe later as I have stuff |
| 12:35.23 | NeonPanda | and I exist again |
| 12:52.08 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Preach, Bellular maybe |
| 12:52.56 | ImpyDroid | Also WoWHead has a lot of guides |
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| 13:08.08 | NeonPanda | hm, would a sword-spear be more like a lance or a glaive? |
| 13:08.51 | NeonPanda | https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjWvoDE25bQAhUDspQKHfbfB-0QjBwIBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fift.tt%2F1S2nsVG&psig=AFQjCNH9HXnTlyD3H8FYdBcT2m8-tjoZKw&ust=1478610508287557 specifically this minus the rotten meat |
| 13:14.00 | Ghelae | I don't know, but I would think it's more like a glaive with an excessively large blade than a lance with an excessively large tip. |
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| 13:14.31 | NeonPanda | I'm inclined to agree |
| 13:14.54 | NeonPanda | Tek0516: the energy-weapon fuelled omnomnom has begun |
| 13:15.11 | NeonPanda | I've also discovered that armour is now worth researching, which has completely thrown me for a loop |
| 13:15.13 | Tek0516 | Lol |
| 13:15.40 | NeonPanda | insert the .gif of john travolta looking around confused |
| 13:15.58 | NeonPanda | kinetic weapons are powerful and armour is worth researching, what is life right now |
| 13:25.07 | Tek0516 | Lol |
| 13:25.08 | Monet | I find NPCs still like ot use lasers |
| 13:26.24 | NeonPanda | everything in the energy tree that doesn't start with laser is still a good weapon, it's just the game isn't quite get tachyon and win anymore |
| 13:26.50 | Monet | Makes for more interesting |
| 13:26.59 | NeonPanda | from what I've seen the best combination is plasma, energy torpedoes, tachyon lances, kinetic artillery and autocannons, equipped to suit the purpose |
| 13:28.40 | NeonPanda | plasma on corvettes because at that scale it basically doesn't matter what you equip, but plasma can still hurt battleships, ETs to peel off the shields from battleships, KA and TL for taking on cruisers and battleships and autocannons all over the place on destroyers to shred corvettes and destroyers |
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| 13:42.46 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 13:42.57 | NeonPanda | hai |
| 13:43.18 | NeonPanda | https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjWvoDE25bQAhUDspQKHfbfB-0QjBwIBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fift.tt%2F1S2nsVG&psig=AFQjCNH9HXnTlyD3H8FYdBcT2m8-tjoZKw&ust=1478610508287557 so my D&D fancy has been drawn momentarily away from dragons and towards this |
| 13:43.24 | NeonPanda | just with less meat |
| 13:43.58 | Hachiman | Nice |
| 13:44.11 | NeonPanda | of course, I can do both because all you need is five ranks in knowledge arcana and the ability to cast first level spells without prep, so four in fighter and one in sorc can have all the prereqs for dragon adept in time to pick it up at level 6 |
| 13:45.10 | Hachiman | Oh wow |
| 13:46.14 | NeonPanda | which to be honest I'm torn as to whether I'd rather do that or straight sorc for dragon adept, because both are quite neat |
| 13:48.03 | NeonPanda | I'd probably go to fighter 7 first, then sorc 1 then dragon adept for armour training 2 |
| 13:48.13 | Hachiman | I mean, with Fighter you kinda suffer some penalty because arcane magic =/= armour |
| 13:48.44 | NeonPanda | oh no what ever shall I do that I'll have trouble casting like three first level spells a day :P |
| 13:49.02 | NeonPanda | I know I'll have access to more later on but it won't be much tbh |
| 13:49.03 | Hachiman | hur |
| 13:49.17 | NeonPanda | but on a more serious note, that's what the magic armour use feats are fro |
| 13:49.18 | NeonPanda | for* |
| 13:50.02 | Hachiman | True |
| 13:50.45 | NeonPanda | I could wear a breastplate with only a 5% fail rate, a mithral breastplate with 0%, full plate with 15% or mithral full plate with 5% |
| 13:50.52 | NeonPanda | so not the worst scenario |
| 13:51.23 | NeonPanda | I could also scrub out and just go magus but that's no fun |
| 13:55.17 | Hachiman | I beg to differ considering how much damage a single magus can put out |
| 13:56.56 | NeonPanda | you know what I mean, I just don't like the magus |
| 13:57.29 | NeonPanda | also, someone referred me to "The most improbable lil john mashup ever" and I wasn't disappointed |
| 13:57.38 | Hachiman | hur |
| 13:57.39 | NeonPanda | it was certainly improbable, and for some reason made me laugh much more than expected |
| 14:00.00 | NeonPanda | martial and magic ain't meant to work together (at least not arcane magic) so I kinda prefer there to be that bit of difficulty having to blend the two with feats and playstyle rather than just having a class do it for you |
| 14:01.52 | Hachiman | Eh, fair enough |
| 14:03.25 | NeonPanda | like my problem isn't what the magus can do because unless I'm mistaken a proper fighter/wizard or /sorcerer multi should be able to do about the same, it's just that magus makes it too easy |
| 14:09.22 | NeonPanda | not too fussed about the not taking spell failure chance because as we've established, that's an incredibly minor issue |
| 14:26.22 | NeonPanda | I am at such a level of no fucks given that it's been my birthday for a good half an hour now and I completely forgot that was coming up |
| 14:26.33 | NeonPanda | like it didn't even occur to me that it was this week let alone today |
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| 14:33.56 | Hachiman | NeonPanda: Oh shit, happy birthday |
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| 14:47.45 | Tek0516 | NeonPanda: Happy birthday then. Now get a decent sleep for it. :P |
| 14:48.29 | NeonPanda | heh that's not likely to happen, currently in another bit of nocturnal patterns, will probably sort it out in the next couple of days |
| 14:49.26 | NeonPanda | anywho, thanks for the well-wishes, was more bringing it up on account of my own not noticing until it was here |
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| 15:27.29 | Xho | Well I might as well say something I guess |
| 15:29.56 | Xho | So, IRC is dead |
| 15:29.57 | Xho | such fun |
| 15:34.33 | ImpyDroid2 | Hi |
| 15:34.51 | Xho | Hi |
| 15:34.52 | ImpyDroid2 | Monet: Remember what you said about flags yesterday? |
| 15:34.55 | Xho | So why is IRC dead then |
| 15:35.17 | Monet | ImpyDroid: I remember |
| 15:35.20 | ImpyDroid2 | Actually I can imagine Radeons having Orthodox-esque processions with flags and the like |
| 15:35.36 | ImpyDroid2 | Orthodox Christians have that thing called the... crosswalk or something |
| 15:35.45 | ImpyDroid2 | I think it would be better just to show it |
| 15:36.01 | ImpyDroid2 | Monet: https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=LMPhYLoaXjw I can totally imagine something like this happening in a Divinarium city |
| 15:36.37 | Monet | I can as well |
| 15:36.40 | ImpyDroid2 | https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=kwAVtsQXaLI |
| 15:36.41 | Monet | Banners definitely |
| 15:37.33 | Xho | Quite tempted to revamp all of my Fictionverse stuff |
| 15:37.33 | Xho | hm |
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| 15:38.31 | Monet | Xho: It's better news than the other day. |
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| 15:40.37 | Xho | Still in a shit mood though |
| 15:46.40 | Monet | Understandable. But it's always a good idea to give it a few hours/days to think about something before committing to it. |
| 15:48.00 | Xho | Well all of my fiction is a disorganised mess save for the Xhodocto |
| 15:48.07 | Xho | There's nothing to organise there |
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| 15:48.31 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEDUC5o7gXg |
| 15:48.52 | Xho | kaBEEWm yah |
| 15:53.13 | Monet | We just need ot see what makes it disorganised then |
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| 16:11.34 | Tek0516 | O.o France's President has an approval rating of 4%. |
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| 16:12.11 | Tek0516 | ...how do you get a 4% appoval rating. O.o |
| 16:12.15 | Tek0516 | Hello Monet |
| 16:12.37 | Monet | Hi |
| 16:13.36 | Charles_Murray | Tek0516 : You're François Hollande |
| 16:13.38 | Charles_Murray | That's how |
| 16:14.12 | Charles_Murray | Sporewiki France is getting a new Premier soon, btw |
| 16:14.17 | Tek0516 | Still, how do you screw up that badly. O.o |
| 16:15.43 | Charles_Murray | La loi du travaille, immigration policies, France's prolonged state of emergency, inability to address security |
| 16:16.57 | Xho | Monet: Basically a lack of completion and maintenance |
| 16:17.17 | Charles_Murray | Inability to address disruptions caused by capitalism, inability to amount to promises |
| 16:18.33 | Xho | 4% approval rating |
| 16:18.38 | Xho | Either worst president or best troll |
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| 16:36.24 | Monet2 | Xho: nothing a touch of elbow grease can't fix then |
| 16:37.42 | Hachiman | So, I realised while writing Khara's appearance that I seem to have described her as a modern feminist |
| 16:37.59 | Hachiman | "She wears her fiery red hair braided and swept to the right while largely shaving the left side of her head and displays a golden ring pierced into her septum, leading her to appear somewhat barbaric and wild and is thought to be a sign of youthful rebellion from her time as a petty thug." |
| 16:38.33 | OluapPlayer | can u not |
| 16:41.30 | Tek0516 | Charles_Murray: And I thought our premier (facing all kinds of corruption and bribery allegations) was doing badly at 15% approval. >.< |
| 16:42.45 | NeonPanda | as in, D&D Khara? |
| 16:42.48 | NeonPanda | or different one |
| 16:43.09 | Hachiman | One for Sporewiki |
| 16:43.14 | NeonPanda | I see |
| 16:43.24 | Hachiman | Which is partially modelled off of D&D Khara personality and appearance wise |
| 16:43.27 | NeonPanda | yeah you basically made Zarya |
| 16:43.42 | Hachiman | Hey at least red hair is natural |
| 16:43.51 | NeonPanda | remembering how badly it affected you when I last made that joke, that *was* a joke |
| 16:44.03 | Hachiman | hur |
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| 16:56.49 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Drakerealm_of_Brimstone YES DARK HORDE |
| 16:56.50 | Imperios | PLZ |
| 16:57.28 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 16:57.48 | OluapPlayer | More or less |
| 16:59.25 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1R6m-Rp_WU WHAT |
| 17:11.03 | Hachiman | "For decades, people have argued; for choice, or for life? My stance is simple: I'm against abortion, but for killing babies." |
| 17:11.10 | Tek0516 | Charles_Murray: Oh, I had some success playing some HoI4 last night. :P https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NP4Z2BgQ/20161107011613_1.jpg |
| 17:24.41 | Imperios | Hachiman: This is blasphemy |
| 17:24.43 | Imperios | This is madness |
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| 17:27.29 | Hachiman | Eh? |
| 17:35.28 | Imperios | >killing babies |
| 17:36.55 | Xho | OluapPlayer: DELETE THIS |
| 17:38.10 | Xho | OluapPlayer: >Mount Gavakar pax infinitus at maximum rock |
| 17:38.48 | OluapPlayer | late by 2 years bruh |
| 17:39.03 | Xho | i dunno dis shit |
| 17:40.16 | Xho | Wait so who is in charge of the Darkrealm if Finkrath is dead |
| 17:40.27 | OluapPlayer | lern 2 read |
| 17:40.32 | Xho | Good point I just read it |
| 17:40.42 | Xho | i am not a smart man |
| 17:41.26 | Hachiman | and its drakerealm u |
| 17:41.33 | Xho | I can't read either |
| 17:41.45 | Xho | darkrealm nao fgts |
| 17:45.01 | Xho | I had an idea revolving around the Fantasyverse, Chaosphere specifically |
| 17:46.56 | Xho | I was going to expand the Chaosphere to seven realms rather than three, including the Shadowrealm within it and then call Maharaksas a void deity although not on the same level as the Simulacra |
| 17:47.05 | Xho | And then the other three realms left to one's wonder |
| 17:47.46 | Xho | Possibly three other lesser void deities with questionable ties to Caligaduro, or the realms are entirely destroyed and are just deserted wastelands |
| 17:48.19 | Xho | not that the rest of the chaosphere is a wasteland or anything |
| 17:49.39 | OluapPlayer | Right |
| 17:49.42 | Xho | So it would be ??? -> Shadowrealm -> ??? -> ??? -> Pavor -> Crystallis -> Nothing |
| 17:50.08 | Xho | So it's a bit like seven domains of a greater hell |
| 17:50.51 | Xho | inb4 plot twist and Arcadia and Zenith are the two realms between the Shadowrealm and Pavor |
| 17:58.42 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain%3AKhara_Greenforge So, stuff I have down for Khara |
| 17:58.51 | Hachiman | Slow progress but getting there |
| 18:00.08 | Hachiman | Actually I fucked up some history, gimme a minute |
| 18:00.24 | Hachiman | Oh wait no I didn't lol |
| 18:02.14 | Xho | get historied |
| 18:02.52 | OluapPlayer | dingus |
| 18:02.56 | Xho | noice |
| 18:03.02 | Xho | Would be cool to see a newer generation of heroes |
| 18:03.31 | Hachiman | dats wat khara is c |
| 18:03.48 | Xho | i gathered dongus |
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| 18:06.09 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 18:06.15 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 18:27.25 | Tek0516 | Woo, finally got battleships in Stellaris |
| 18:27.55 | Tek0516 | brings out the literal big guns |
| 18:34.26 | Xho | schlongforce |
| 18:36.07 | Hachiman | schmeat |
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| 18:39.33 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 18:41.00 | Wormydroid | Releational databases are so simple they become so vague and kl |
| 18:41.06 | Wormydroid | Fickle |
| 18:55.26 | Xho | Currently remaking the Septentrion model |
| 18:55.58 | Hachiman | Nice |
| 19:16.01 | Xho | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/ec/Septentrion2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20161107191515 giants and shit |
| 19:19.16 | Hachiman | swole giant |
| 19:20.18 | Xho | I wonder how heavy a Septentrion actually is |
| 19:20.28 | Xho | About 5 metres tall and hench |
| 19:23.00 | Monet2 | Couple of tonnes maybe? |
| 19:23.11 | Xho | Being around 16ft tall I'd imaging in the 2,500 - 3,000 lb range |
| 19:23.18 | Xho | So yeah 2 tonnes makes sense |
| 19:23.31 | Xho | Well that would be 4,400 lbs |
| 19:23.38 | Xho | eh still plausible considering the build |
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| 19:39.55 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 19:42.08 | Imperios | Hi |
| 19:42.10 | Imperios | Wormy_: https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/5bgfkk/flag_of_the_united_kingdom_if_it_was_considered_a/ |
| 19:42.45 | Wormy_ | I could dig that |
| 19:42.52 | Wormy_ | Needs more Wales though |
| 19:43.12 | Wormy_ | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Union_Flag_(including_Wales).svg/2000px-Union_Flag_(including_Wales).svg.png |
| 19:43.42 | Imperios | This flag kind of implies Wales rules all of the UK |
| 19:45.12 | Wormy_ | Or, that all the swords are aiming at it |
| 19:45.49 | Imperios | I just realised |
| 19:46.00 | Imperios | England's flag is the Saint George cross |
| 19:46.08 | Imperios | Saint George is traditionally depicted as killing a dragon |
| 19:46.50 | Wormy_ | yep |
| 19:47.35 | Wormy_ | We share Saint George's Day with Georgia I think, not sure if same date though |
| 19:51.32 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Also, the name of Wales has its origins in a Saxon word for "stranger", they essentially displaced the Britons to the corner that is Wales and called them strangers in their own lands |
| 19:51.57 | Imperios | Funnily enough that term actually surfaces in many Germanic languages, but for different people |
| 19:52.13 | Imperios | For example "Welschland" was once a term for "France" |
| 19:52.26 | Imperios | Hachiman might be interested in that ^ |
| 19:52.32 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 19:52.53 | Imperios | I think there's a German patriotic song that refers to France as such |
| 19:53.01 | Hachiman | FUCKING FRENCH SHEEP FUCKERS |
| 19:53.27 | Imperios | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Wacht_am_Rhein There it is |
| 19:53.36 | Imperios | "Und ob mein Herz im Tode bricht, wirst du doch drum ein Welscher nicht." |
| 19:53.44 | Imperios | "And if my heart breaks in death, You won't become a Frenchman yet." |
| 19:54.24 | Imperios | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Welschland My bad, not France, but French-speaking parts of Switzerland |
| 19:58.15 | Hachiman | Imperios: I wonder how Imperials would treat half-breeds |
| 19:58.27 | Imperios | BURN BURN BURN |
| 19:58.33 | Hachiman | Mannazians aren't necessarily racist or oppressive towards non-humans other than humans |
| 19:58.39 | Hachiman | Elves |
| 19:58.41 | Hachiman | I meant elves |
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| 20:00.30 | Imperios | Well about halfbreeds of non-elf races not sure |
| 20:01.45 | Hachiman | Like, take Khara as a half-orc |
| 20:02.14 | OluapPlayer | Aynach is a-okay with them |
| 20:02.47 | Imperios | a-okay |
| 20:02.52 | Imperios | So they're Italian |
| 20:02.54 | Imperios | \? |
| 20:03.15 | OluapPlayer | you can't go a conversation without bringing up nationalities can you |
| 20:03.17 | OluapPlayer | gad damn |
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| 20:13.43 | Technobliterator | Reminder that nationality does not exist and is a social construct |
| 20:13.45 | Technobliterator | :V |
| 20:14.58 | Hachiman | Reminder that the Holocaust did not happen and is a conspiracy crafted by the Jews to inspire sympathy for them and allow them to run the global capitalist market |
| 20:16.04 | Technobliterator | wut |
| 20:16.08 | OluapPlayer | This talk just threw itself into the dumpster |
| 20:16.11 | OluapPlayer | I'm out |
| 20:16.39 | Technobliterator | I'm kinda curious where that joke comes from though |
| 20:16.43 | Technobliterator | that's impressive |
| 20:16.59 | Tybusen | Looks like I arrived at a great time yet again |
| 20:17.20 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: As in, the greedy "muh shekels" Jew stereotype? |
| 20:17.26 | Technobliterator | mhm |
| 20:18.22 | Hachiman | It comes from the fact that Jews adopted particularly well to urban living when they had to move on from being rural folk or something like that |
| 20:18.27 | Hachiman | *adapted |
| 20:18.29 | Technobliterator | ah |
| 20:20.37 | Monet2 | Their beliefs on wealth compared to the rest of Europe meant a lot of them entered finance, like banking |
| 20:21.03 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Nationality it is a social construct yeah |
| 20:21.15 | Imperios | Hachiman: THere are two main reasons |
| 20:21.15 | Technobliterator | yup |
| 20:21.25 | Technobliterator | It only affects your ability to cross borders, which are also artificial |
| 20:21.29 | Imperios | First, Jews were not allowed to join guilds or own lands |
| 20:21.34 | Technobliterator | ethnicity exists, culture exists, nationality does not |
| 20:21.45 | Imperios | Second, Judaism allowed interest banking |
| 20:21.55 | Monet2 | That |
| 20:21.56 | Imperios | Boom, you have nowhere to go and your religion does not allow it |
| 20:22.00 | Imperios | *allows it |
| 20:22.06 | Imperios | Why not to do that |
| 20:22.27 | Monet2 | The Vatican condemned the practice of interest |
| 20:23.14 | Hachiman | Huh |
| 20:23.31 | Imperios | Well it allows giving interest to non-believers |
| 20:23.41 | Hachiman | I never knew that bit about Judaism allowing interest banking although I do now recall that part about Jews not owning lands |
| 20:23.52 | Imperios | I wonder if other religions work the same way, they probably do |
| 20:24.09 | Hachiman | Interesting to think that religion had an effect on economy |
| 20:24.14 | Hachiman | No pun intended |
| 20:24.26 | Imperios | The (Christian) Armenians had the same role in the Ottoman Empire as the Jews in Europe |
| 20:24.36 | Monet2 | So many bankers before the advent of double entry bookkeeping, banking wasn't a profitable profession under the Church |
| 20:24.43 | Imperios | Hachiman: I imagine it was mostly due to religion causing an "us-or-them" mentality |
| 20:24.52 | Imperios | "us-and-them" |
| 20:25.51 | Tybusen | Imperios: That's interesting, since both Armenians and Jews were the targets of massive genocides around the same era |
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| 20:26.03 | Imperios | Tybusen: If you think about it Armenians and Jews are really simialr |
| 20:26.10 | Imperios | They even look kind of the same |
| 20:26.17 | Imperios | Look at Anita Sarkeesian for example |
| 20:26.23 | Imperios | She could pass as a Jewish woman |
| 20:26.39 | Monet | I find the argument "X is a social construct, therefore it is delusion" to be...what's the word... |
| 20:26.57 | Monet | Arrogant? Self-righteous? |
| 20:27.01 | Imperios | Monet: Yeah it is a bit weird, a social construct is still a *thing* |
| 20:27.03 | Tybusen | Imperios: You're gonna have to specify what kind of Jewish because there's a lot of different racial groups who are Jewish |
| 20:27.16 | Imperios | Tybusne: Well, the Ashkenazim |
| 20:27.18 | Hachiman | I was gonna say that just because something is a social construct, doesn't mean it's necessarily bad |
| 20:27.25 | Imperios | *Tybusen |
| 20:27.38 | Monet | Without social constructs we'd still be hunter-gatherers. |
| 20:27.55 | Imperios | Mizrahim look kind of... dunno |
| 20:28.05 | Imperios | From my experiences in Israel, they look... dunno... prettier or something |
| 20:29.43 | Imperios | Some of my relatives would often cite old statistics about education in the Soviet Union |
| 20:29.51 | Tybusen | I suppose it makes sense that Ashkenazi and Armenians might look similar, they're both what would be considered Caucasian descent probably |
| 20:30.07 | Tybusen | Armenians being literal Caucasians of course |
| 20:30.14 | Hachiman | Needs more Aryans |
| 20:30.27 | Imperios | Tybusen: There's a theory that aquiline noses common in Armenians and Ashkenazim are a Hittite trait |
| 20:30.38 | Imperios | Well not aquiline |
| 20:30.39 | Hachiman | >aquiline noses |
| 20:30.43 | Hachiman | >Hittite |
| 20:30.44 | Imperios | Not sure how to call them |
| 20:30.49 | Hachiman | >Emperor of Mankind was Hittite |
| 20:30.58 | Hachiman | >Imperial insignia is the Aquila |
| 20:31.07 | Imperios | Holy shit now it makes sense |
| 20:31.14 | Imperios | The two-headed eagle was first used by the Hittited |
| 20:31.16 | Imperios | Hittites |
| 20:31.44 | Imperios | Hell I never realised why the two-headed eagle was used in the Imperium before |
| 20:32.22 | Hachiman | Well |
| 20:32.28 | Hachiman | I think we just had a revelation |
| 20:32.32 | Imperios | Hachiman: There's a a |
| 20:32.33 | Imperios | oops |
| 20:33.11 | Imperios | Hachiman: There's an Aryan ethnicity in the Caucasus mountains (like literally Aryan), their country's name even literally translates as "Aryan land" |
| 20:33.48 | Hachiman | "In heraldry and vexillology, the double-headed eagle is a charge associated with the concept of Empire." - First sentence on the article of the double-headed eagle on Wikipedia |
| 20:34.15 | Imperios | Well it is but it was not used in Classical Rome |
| 20:34.21 | Imperios | Only in Byzantium onwards |
| 20:34.36 | Imperios | And I would not say there are that many Byzatine elements in the Imperium |
| 20:34.39 | Imperios | *Byzantine |
| 20:34.41 | Hachiman | Also what's vexillology? |
| 20:34.59 | Imperios | Science of flags |
| 20:35.03 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 20:35.55 | Imperios | Like, if you ignore Germany (not sure where they got it, but probably from the same source), all modern usages of the two-headed eagle trace to the Byzantine Empire |
| 20:35.59 | Monet | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwrWYtgVEAIXO6M.jpg:large why XCOM soldiers are such crap aims |
| 20:36.17 | Imperios | And even Germans have not used the two-headed eagle in a hundred years or so |
| 20:36.41 | Tybusen | Monet: "look ma, no eyes" |
| 20:47.24 | Imperios | Wormy_ Hachiman: Haven't done anything in Spore for a while, would you mind if I tried my hand at making a version of Lunarai-Khan as Emperor? |
| 20:47.50 | Hachiman | I mean, I have no problems with it |
| 20:48.50 | Wormy_ | Go head, go as wild as you please |
| 20:48.53 | Wormy_ | ahead |
| 20:49.22 | Wormy_ | he needs a new outfit |
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| 21:00.22 | Imperios | I wish I could give him a pipe |
| 21:00.31 | Imperios | But I am not sure how a Grimb would chomp on it |
| 21:00.49 | Wormy_ | A pipe? |
| 21:00.52 | Wormy_ | Oh |
| 21:04.14 | Imperios | Or a cigar |
| 21:05.03 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Khara_Greenforge#Characteristics Eh got some more shit down |
| 21:05.48 | DrodoEmpire | Taking a look |
| 21:07.46 | DrodoEmpire | Sounds great |
| 21:14.48 | Imperios | Wormy_: BTW |
| 21:14.53 | Imperios | What happened to Wormulus III? |
| 21:15.23 | Wormy_ | The son of Emperor Wormulus? Like his wife, not sure on canonicity |
| 21:16.19 | Imperios | Not sure if it would worth it but you oculd retcon it so that Wormy III is on the throne while Lunarai rules as regent |
| 21:17.30 | Tybusen | "But before Wormy II died, he asked these five Warlords to take care of his son until he was old enough to rule. But the Warlords said, 'yeah right, it's not gonna be this kid. it'll be one of us. 'cause we're grownups.'" |
| 21:17.47 | Wormy_ | He didn't die, he became the Pope |
| 21:18.11 | Hachiman | Tybusen: Does this mean Wormulus II is Oda Nobunaga? |
| 21:18.28 | Tybusen | Toyotomi Hideyoshi you uncultured pig in human clothing |
| 21:18.50 | Imperios | >Toyotomi Hideyoshi |
| 21:18.59 | Imperios | Time to invade closest neighbour |
| 21:19.14 | Tybusen | Toyotomi "and now i'm going to invade korea and hopefully china" Hideyoshi |
| 21:19.17 | Hachiman | I thought the same thing happened to Nobunaga and his kid, Nobutada? |
| 21:19.32 | Wormy_ | I'm not likely to retcon the events of 2805 and 2806, as I'm quite fond of Lunarai becoming Emperor and causing change in foreign policy http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User%3AWormulon/Recent_works#Years_of_Hyperspace_and_Reflection.3B_2780_to_2815_.28728_to_746_ACS.29.3B_Milky_Way_.26_Gigaquadrant |
| 21:19.40 | Tybusen | Yeah, I think so, but I was referencing Hideyoshi with that quote |
| 21:19.49 | Hachiman | rite |
| 21:19.58 | Hachiman | Also can I just say that I'm glad Lunarai is now Emperor |
| 21:20.14 | Hachiman | I never actually expected him to get that far |
| 21:21.37 | Wormy_ | Wormulus II retired but but became a semi-religious figure to the DCP people, his full title now being "The Venerable and Amaranthine Wormulus II the exalted Idol and Father of and for the Delpha Coalition of Planets" |
| 21:22.20 | Wormy_ | Lunarai prevented him from committing the DCP version of seppuku after the fall of the DCP to the Technoosphere |
| 21:23.07 | Wormy_ | I imagine if Woumulus III still exists, he is a child and too young for the throne, non-the-less he could take it one day |
| 21:23.34 | Wormy_ | (though if history is anything to go by, child rulers weren't unheard of) |
| 21:25.15 | Wormy_ | I fell in love Lunarai's character in the DCP-Vermulan war. Not long before, Hachi and me thought him up merely as an extra |
| 21:26.11 | Hachiman | He's a really interesting character |
| 21:27.58 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Emperor_Lunarai_I.png There we go |
| 21:28.03 | Imperios | That won't replace his current model |
| 21:28.11 | Imperios | That's him outside of his armour and in his royal regalia |
| 21:28.15 | Tybusen | Ooh fancy |
| 21:28.32 | Hachiman | That's pretty awesome |
| 21:28.49 | Wormy_ | In his youth he was a ruthless strategist crushing the hope out of rebel colonists. But less aggressive than Eclipsos, his secret education in other cultures created a more open mind, when triggered and made unstable in Eclipsos's presence, he realised the DCP's failings during the Vermulan Wars and GSX as doing more harm than good to the Gigaquadrant and themselves |
| 21:29.24 | Wormy_ | It's awesome, I love it |
| 21:30.01 | Wormy_ | Even has Wormulus's blue glowing crown thing |
| 21:30.23 | Imperios | The sword is probably just ceremonial |
| 21:30.55 | Wormy_ | No doubt it'd probably shatter most in the universe if put to good use |
| 21:31.12 | Wormy_ | *shatter most swords |
| 21:32.34 | Xho | Hachiman: Not quite sure what to make for a new generation fantasy characte |
| 21:32.36 | Xho | character |
| 21:32.53 | Hachiman | Pelagrios' bastard child |
| 21:33.00 | Xho | Pelagrios 2.0 |
| 21:33.08 | Hachiman | Drunk teenage no-life |
| 21:33.14 | Xho | ah just like me |
| 21:33.19 | Xho | except not 21 |
| 21:33.19 | Hachiman | kek |
| 21:33.34 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature%3AEza'naeran One of these guys could work |
| 21:34.10 | Imperios | There's Javina's... foster daughter not sure |
| 21:34.13 | Imperios | That teenage blind girl |
| 21:34.39 | Hachiman | Arya or whatever she was called |
| 21:34.52 | Hachiman | Xho: neko girl |
| 21:35.01 | Xho | OH GOD IT'S HAPPENING |
| 21:36.14 | Xho | Get an Ankhor female and we have a catfight |
| 21:36.15 | Xho | literally |
| 21:36.18 | Hachiman | ayy |
| 21:36.20 | Hachiman | You could change up your formula and make your new gen character a dedicated caster |
| 21:36.32 | Hachiman | Or at least, mostly dedicated to magic with minimal actual combat |
| 21:36.42 | Hachiman | Well, not combat, melee |
| 21:37.07 | Xho | I guess that could work |
| 21:37.19 | Xho | The only other caster I have is Taihadrae and she isn't used much |
| 21:39.39 | Hachiman | Could be some kind of druid hunter thing |
| 21:39.55 | Hachiman | Not hunter OF druids mind you |
| 21:40.18 | Xho | Ah crap I need to do the Eza'naerani Dominion page |
| 21:40.25 | Hachiman | Because why the fuck would you want to hunt druids |
| 21:40.38 | Xho | shits and gigs m8 |
| 21:43.39 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.29 | Hachiman | I suppose you have two main kinds of druids on Koldenwelt |
| 21:45.23 | Hachiman | Simulacrum druids, who worship Harstag, and Isirian druids, who generally revere nature and Isiris and all that other hippy bullshit |
| 21:46.01 | Imperios | Harstag druids could be antagonistic |
| 21:46.18 | Hachiman | Eh Harstag's neutral as far as I know |
| 21:46.20 | Hachiman | As is Isiris |
| 21:47.04 | Hachiman | Fucking with an experienced druid either way is probably going to end bad considering these people can probably control the environment depending on what school(s) of magic they channel |
| 21:58.00 | Tybusen | Alright but what about Aquaman |
| 22:00.49 | Hachiman | Adept water druid |
| 22:01.20 | Wormy_ | He has to put up with this shit all the time http://imgur.com/a/kXy1z |
| 22:01.20 | Hachiman | I don't think anybody except Monet / Monet2 remembers that time where Aquaman became some sort of demigod of death |
| 22:01.42 | Monet | Vaguely |
| 22:05.34 | Wormy_ | Someone just came on #cyrannus posting random wikileak posts then left |
| 22:05.52 | Hachiman | What links were these? |
| 22:06.06 | Wormy_ | I ain't clicking on them but here they are |
| 22:06.10 | Monet | "How does Aquaman pay for everything?" "Well I happen ot be king of Frikking Atlantis" |
| 22:06.21 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.36 | Wormy_ | Don't know where two of those link to lol |
| 22:06.43 | Wormy_ | *what |
| 22:06.50 | Hachiman | Hm |
| 22:06.54 | Hachiman | Spirit cooking stuff |
| 22:07.00 | Monet | Oh yay *more* DNC emails. |
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| 22:07.48 | Wormy_ | Ah Clinton stuff, I guessed |
| 22:09.08 | Monet | "Podesta" refers to John Podesta - Clinton's campaign chairman |
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| 22:11.08 | Monet | By now I myself would be a little more interested if Wikileaks presented something that wasn't fished out of HRC's inbox. |
| 22:11.11 | Xho | I'm currently revising the Koldenwelt map |
| 22:11.16 | Xho | Is there anything I should remove |
| 22:11.19 | Monet | Diversify your sources! |
| 22:11.51 | The_Randomness | Monet: They haven't even leaked anything that interesting from there anyway |
| 22:12.19 | Monet | It's grasping at straws. |
| 22:12.25 | The_Randomness | pretty much |
| 22:12.32 | Hachiman | Xho: I'd ask Oluap about that although I personally don't think so |
| 22:12.50 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/9zUk0Pb |
| 22:12.53 | DrodoEmpire | "Clinton isnt corrupt dont be crazy lol" "but russias definitely rigging the elections guys" |
| 22:12.55 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 22:14.40 | Monet | Russia's not rigging the elections. But it might be where Wikileaks is getting all its clickbait-worthy leaks. |
| 22:14.44 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 22:15.38 | Monet | I'm tired of hearing what's in Hilary's message box. Can't they find anything else? |
| 22:16.24 | The_Randomness | Monet: nope |
| 22:16.34 | DrodoEmpire | Just saying that I find this dismissive condescending attitude towards the emails obnoxious and some positions taken up by either camp retarded |
| 22:16.41 | DrodoEmpire | Take it to off-topic. |
| 22:19.19 | Charles_Murray | Also, the DCP is now a member of the Xonexi Board of Seven |
| 22:19.21 | Charles_Murray | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Xonexi_Board_of_Seven |
| 22:19.34 | Xho | Hachiman: Is the Honsaru still a thing |
| 22:19.38 | Hachiman | Nah |
| 22:20.20 | Monet | Charles_Murray: We might need to consider a page name that doesn't mean we're renaming the page with every change in the seating plan. |
| 22:20.52 | Hachiman | Simple |
| 22:20.56 | Hachiman | Board of Xonexi |
| 22:22.28 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:22.58 | Charles_Murray | It was a very simple namechange xD |
| 22:23.05 | Charles_Murray | But if it gets out of hand, yeah |
| 22:23.47 | Monet | The concern is more for the links to the page |
| 22:24.11 | Monet | Every rename will mean a bot link sweep |
| 22:24.17 | Hachiman | Also, just saying, we should really consider how powerful / fucked up transmutation magic is on Koldenwelt |
| 22:24.56 | Hachiman | Literally turning your body, or parts of your body, into a weapon and stuff like that |
| 22:25.01 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:27.33 | Tek0516 | We could also (waiting for protests) use a redirect for the Board of Seven. |
| 22:27.53 | Hachiman | non |
| 22:27.57 | Hachiman | Redirects are not desired |
| 22:28.37 | Hachiman | It'd be simpler just to call it the Board of Xonexi the next time the seating arrangements change |
| 22:30.07 | Charles_Murray | It would make sense for the Board of Seven because it's also been called Board of Six, Board of Eight, Board of Nine, etc |
| 22:30.12 | Charles_Murray | throughout its history |
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| 22:30.31 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 22:30.57 | Hachiman | For simplicity's sake |
| 22:30.59 | Charles_Murray | It's a fiction which has had different names throughout its existence, all of which are valid |
| 22:31.07 | Charles_Murray | Nothing I do is simple ;) |
| 22:31.11 | Hachiman | Just call it the Board of Xonexi next time just as the page name |
| 22:31.33 | Hachiman | In-universe it doesn't have to be called that |
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| 22:34.08 | Monet | I'm in favour of Board of Xonexi |
| 22:34.55 | Monet | In some cases the name is already coded to be of the number of seats it had at certain time periods. |
| 22:35.40 | Wormy_ | Its why I'm keeping Lunarai-Khan's page as just "Lunarai", I'm always have to rename the titles |
| 22:36.07 | Monet | Let's calm down with a Persian https://cdna0.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/920/860/large/simon-telezhkin-persian-render-0000.jpg?1478548942 |
| 22:38.41 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/V6XPmZk.jpg |
| 22:47.16 | Technobliterator | Redirects are not only not desired, they're not allowed |
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| 22:49.15 | Quark8 | Hello Liquid_Ink. |
| 22:49.25 | Liquid_Ink | Hey |
| 22:49.27 | Tek0516 | I know you don't like them, it's just that by the board's naming conventions it's the "easiest". |
| 22:50.12 | Hachiman | Or you could just call the page "Board of Xonexi" and not have to keep renaming it |
| 22:50.16 | Hachiman | Which supplies the easiest solution |
| 22:53.31 | Technobliterator | I agree very much with Hachi here |
| 22:54.00 | Tybusen | Agree with Hachi and Jo here |
| 22:54.28 | Monet | Right I'd say a conclusion is reached. Let's be careful not to pile on him. |
| 22:55.05 | Technobliterator | Uh, I wouldn't call that piling |
| 22:55.19 | Technobliterator | And I mean, at the end of the day, he can do what he likes |
| 22:55.22 | Technobliterator | it's just a suggestion |
| 22:55.25 | Tek0516 | It probably is better, I'm just suggesting the obvious alternative that would keep the page's proper naming. |
| 22:55.56 | Hachiman | No reason why you can't list the different boards that have popped up on the page |
| 22:56.03 | Hachiman | It's just simplicity for the sake of the page name |
| 22:56.54 | Monet | There is a list at the bottom. |
| 22:57.46 | Technobliterator | On places like Wikipedia, the typical way it's done is to use the most common name |
| 23:00.02 | Monet | Not so easy with the Board. As has been pointed out its name depends on its membership. |
| 23:02.02 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/5f/KoldenweltTMapCurrent.png/revision/latest?cb=20161015184605 Updated map |
| 23:02.15 | Hachiman | Nice job |
| 23:07.22 | Technobliterator | Why the hell is one of my friends who is extremely left wing on basically everything liking Donald Trump posts |
| 23:07.23 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 23:07.38 | Xho | kek |
| 23:08.03 | Technobliterator | I sort of assume he does it ironically, but I really can't tell |
| 23:09.04 | Monet | Could be he finds them hilarious |
| 23:09.41 | Technobliterator | or that |
| 23:11.10 | Monet | Occam's razor is a beautiful thing |
| 23:12.33 | Wormy_ | I see a lot of hard leftists supporting Putin |
| 23:17.48 | Hachiman | I mean |
| 23:17.55 | Hachiman | I don't personally see Putin as a villain so |
| 23:18.10 | Hachiman | Or as any real threat to the UK |
| 23:18.57 | Charles_Bot | Right |
| 23:19.03 | Charles_Bot | You guys have a moat |
| 23:20.07 | Hachiman | Putin doesn't really have any reason to launch war on the UK |
| 23:20.10 | Hachiman | Afaik |
| 23:20.14 | DrodoEmpire | Aw man |
| 23:20.30 | DrodoEmpire | Every airsoft FAL on this website is completely out of stock, somehow |
| 23:20.36 | Hachiman | Ouch |
| 23:20.37 | DrodoEmpire | Except for some dumb tacticool bullshit |
| 23:20.43 | Xho | Get a minigun |
| 23:20.52 | DrodoEmpire | No |
| 23:20.54 | Xho | Airsoft or real don't care but just get one |
| 23:20.55 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 23:21.02 | Hachiman | get a galil |
| 23:21.10 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, maybe |
| 23:21.32 | Hachiman | Or a CAR-15 |
| 23:21.37 | DrodoEmpire | I've been window-shopping, thinking of what I want to make for my new airsoft rig |
| 23:21.44 | Hachiman | I'm just suggesting guns that I mained in Call of Duty at this point hur |
| 23:21.49 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 23:22.05 | Charles_Bot | Hachiman: You're kind of correct, but there's more to international relations and British power than that |
| 23:22.35 | Hachiman | Which is why I said afaik |
| 23:22.38 | DrodoEmpire | I've been thinking maybe like an MP7 or an AK-47 as a primary, maybe something pretty uncommon like a USP Match as a sidearm |
| 23:22.57 | Hachiman | I thought you said UPS for a moment |
| 23:23.07 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 23:23.14 | DrodoEmpire | "I'M DELIVERING DEATH TODAY" |
| 23:23.16 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 23:23.26 | Hachiman | Still fucking late |
| 23:23.33 | DrodoEmpire | Going postal, if you will |
| 23:23.43 | Hachiman | Oh wow |
| 23:23.47 | DrodoEmpire | >.> |
| 23:24.05 | The_Randomness | ayyy |
| 23:24.08 | DrodoEmpire | Plus some combat rigging, new camo, a cap (plain kepi? helmet?) stuff like that |
| 23:24.15 | Charles_Bot | Post mortem express |
| 23:24.30 | DrodoEmpire | Goggles and probably something to wrap around my face too |
| 23:24.47 | Xho | T-51b power armour |
| 23:24.51 | Charles_Bot | Lol |
| 23:24.52 | Hachiman | A handkerchief with chloroform |
| 23:25.22 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 23:25.46 | Xho | Just go in a fully kitted T-51b and scare the living crap out of everyone |
| 23:26.03 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe >.> |
| 23:26.06 | Tek0516 | Huh, so far that "Arrival" film still has a 100% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. O.o |
| 23:26.34 | Tek0516 | (With 60 critic reviews) |
| 23:26.44 | Hachiman | Huh |
| 23:27.02 | Xho | Either that or the NCR Ranger armour and get a sniper rifle |
| 23:27.30 | Hachiman | Can you get airsoft sniper rifles? |
| 23:27.32 | DrodoEmpire | I have thought about scrounging together something like HL2 Rebel equipment- it'd fit the whole loadout idea pretty well |
| 23:27.34 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 23:27.44 | DrodoEmpire | They're usually CO2 powere |
| 23:27.47 | DrodoEmpire | *powered |
| 23:27.56 | Charles_Bot | Hachi: To a certain extent, peace has been understood since the end of the Cold War as reliant on a concept called "collective security," essentially that the pursuit of security is not an adversarial process. It's a group effort where all states commit to a legitimate and stable peace and promise to defend it by military means if necessary |
| 23:28.16 | Hachiman | Right |
| 23:28.48 | DrodoEmpire | Though it'd be better to buy some proper camouflage if I plan to play in any association games (which're the only big ones) |
| 23:30.24 | Charles_Bot | Those guarantees, embodied by the 1945 UN abolition of wars of aggression or NATO's article 5, are basically what allows a peaceful system to exist. If those guarantees are abandoned in Eastern Europe, then they lose their power. States no longer feel bound by them on one hand, or protected by them on the other |
| 23:32.20 | DrodoEmpire | Could buy an M14 or something, though |
| 23:32.24 | Charles_Bot | So to remain steadfastly behind those security guarantees, even if it means protecting states on the other side of Europe, is actually critical for the UK's security, economic growth, and so on, because it derives both of these things from the integrity the system |
| 23:32.55 | Charles_Bot | As a whole |
| 23:38.16 | Monet | Europe as a whole works together to ensure the safety of its member states. |
| 23:38.47 | Charles_Bot | I was referring more to NATO |
| 23:38.54 | Charles_Bot | But that too |
| 23:38.57 | Monet | In the modern day it is not weakness, but strength, to share the burden of security with other nations. |
| 23:39.15 | Charles_Bot | Yeah, it's cheaper too |
| 23:40.04 | Technobliterator | Tybusen, good luck tomorrow :o |
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