IRC log for #sporewiki on 20161030

00:00.08TybusenFist-fighter could work though
00:02.09TybusenThis character is supposed to be in the First Bunsen War-era TIAF though
00:03.39HachimanRight
00:05.01TybusenSpecifically part of the MSF (so same group as Lorrelas and the like)
00:06.10HachimanCould make them quiet, speaks few words and only speaks when necessary or when they thought of a one-liner they thought was cool, kind of OCD and acts aloof to try and look cool
00:06.48HachimanPrefers to solve problems the easy, good old-fashioned way rather than acting methodical and is a bit impulsive
00:08.52TybusenI could go the "strong, silent" route but that would make both of the female characters of the FBW-era MSF relatively quiet types
00:09.26TybusenSince Misael Tanyan is a serious, straightforward, "stern mom" sort of character
00:10.07HachimanIf they're the "stern mom" character, other girl could be some kind of "rebellious teen" character in that relationship
00:10.20TybusenThat could be a good idea
00:10.55Tybusen(Even though all of the MSF characters are at least 300 years old)
00:11.29TybusenIt would let her be an impulsive, physical type
00:11.44HachimanAye
00:12.54TybusenAlso contrasts well with Samenor since I was planning there to be some amount of romantic interest between the two
00:15.24TybusenMy only concern is that it might be too similar to Natalie Grey's character, but with what I'm planning for this character that could actually be a good thing
00:16.58HachimanOh?
00:18.44TybusenWhat I'm planning is FBW spoilers and kind of major spoilers for the character, FYI
00:19.00HachimanGotcha
00:19.49TybusenThough I'm about to upload the character's picture and if you look in the right TIAF page histories you'll probably figure out what happens to them
00:22.36TybusenHachiman: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/69/Kavi_Kolva.png/revision/latest?cb=20161030002209
00:22.43Hachimanbirb
00:22.55Tybusenbig birb
00:24.04TybusenThere's a problem I've been having where I want to update or start some of my character pages, but their biographies would contain FBW spoilers and I've been FBW at a snail's pace
00:24.15Tybusen*been updating FBW
00:27.33TybusenWhich is a problem for some characters like Serrada who are going to have major arcs in FBW
00:27.41HachimanYeah that is troublesome
00:28.09HachimanI'd just put in like pre-FBW details of their lives and leave out the FBW stuff until later
00:28.25TybusenThat's a possibility yeah
00:29.24Tek0516I'm loving the irony of this story of a Trump supporters committing voter fraud because they claim the election is rigged.
00:29.27TybusenThough I'd also have to finish all of my other faction histories to start doing that
00:29.35TybusenWhich honestly shouldn't be too difficult
00:30.02TybusenThough I've started using my Bunsen Spore save more as reference for the astrography of Bunsen and I've realized space is much bigger than I thought it was
00:33.03Hachimanhur
00:33.07HachimanYeah space is fucking huge
00:33.17HachimanThis is why we put in the whole galactic cleanslate thing
00:34.51TybusenMost of the in-game versions of the Bunsen factions only reach a quarter up their galactic arms at most
00:35.00TybusenOr a third IDKI
00:35.18TybusenWhich is good for me as far as open space for other fictions in Bunsen
00:35.57TybusenBad for me as I've had to rethink any astropolitical history based on my previous assumptions about my empires' expanse
00:36.45TybusenSurprisingly a lot of the TIAF is close-enough to game-accurate that I don't need to change much
00:37.19TybusenI've already rewritten GSC history and society to account for their new territorial expanse
00:37.33TybusenNow I just need to work on gathering in-game stuff for AWA and Levisala
00:50.44MonetOkay...So my divine mandate campaign is doing okay. Apart from a slight error with an ancient terraforing device
00:51.29Hachimanhur
00:52.14MonetI activate it and unfortunately it mutates a lot of the local wildlife.
00:52.59MonetWhat wildlife didn't get mutated to death managed to destroy entire battalions of assault troopers and don't give a fuck about morale
00:56.12HachimanOh God
00:57.21MonetI might also add my armies are using powered exoskeletons.
01:02.47MonetI will be more careful with abandoned precursor tech from now on.
01:05.51HachimanI mean, damn
01:06.04HachimanThat's rather intimidating
01:06.17HachimanWhat are your aliens like?
01:06.42MonetPhysically strong. Long-lived.
01:07.06MonetI based them on the Draconis.
01:07.23MonetExcept in my game they're avians
01:09.15MonetBut the road to success isn't linear.
01:10.51Tek0516Monet: Gotta love all the things you encounter in Stellaris
01:12.08MonetIndeed
01:12.22Tek0516Later in the game there's actually armies you can make that amount to genetically engineering creatures of claws and teeth that are commanded not from the front line, but from bunkers a safe distance away.
01:13.04MonetI do recall I discovered psionics long ago
01:14.25MonetThere is a prophecy my empire are destined for great things. So how about an army of mentalists
01:28.04MonetStellaris may be a good empire simulator, but it's also a great love letter to classic science fiction
01:28.13DrodoEmpire^
01:33.05MonetI'm findinng several planets where some alien mercenary decided to write his life story by burning it onto the face of a continent with his ship's laser gun.
01:33.24HachimanOh wow
01:35.12MonetActually sort of reminds me of this one story on the wiki. I think I've mentioned it before
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01:36.15MonetThis Draconid human takes part in a heist to claim a few bottled of Alvadian wine. Once the ship is full eh takes off, gets a teensy bit hammered and starts blaring classical music though the ship's intercom.
01:36.16MonetHi
01:36.28Wormy_Hihi
01:37.15Wormy_Writing a report about modems reminds me of this scene from Monkey Dust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1AQcGGSec
01:37.28MonetI can't help but think this guy would be playing The Blue Danube across the ship
01:38.13HachimanSounds like the guy thinks he's funny
01:38.58DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Kingdom_of_Barangin#Military - New shit
01:39.02DrodoEmpireCheck it out <.<
01:39.27DrodoEmpireRefresh
01:39.30MonetHachiman: Probably does. The Andorian woman he stole the ship from thought he was a bit of a prick.
01:39.49DrodoEmpireDo you have a link to this fic?
01:40.10HachimanDrodoEmpire: That's pretty awesome shit
01:40.42DrodoEmpireyuy thanks
01:40.44DrodoEmpire:>
01:41.16DrodoEmpireThe Varitai are the not-Hakkapeliitta of the Fantasyverse <.<
01:41.45Hachimanhur
01:41.51MonetDrodoEmpire: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Anduar%27s_Voyages
01:41.56DrodoEmpireAyy thanks
01:44.52DrodoEmpireThe biggest differences between the Barangin and the Halifaxians are that the Barangin actually have cav worth a fuck, use more magic, and that the arquebusier, while using a more primitive firearm than the musketeer, is also a dependable melee fighter
01:45.11HachimanDrodoEmpire: Also, sorry to bring this up, but I fucked up when I said 'arcanomancer'; the correct grammatical term is actually 'cryptomancer'
01:45.17DrodoEmpireAhh, kk
01:46.22DrodoEmpireBarangin arquebusiers have steel armour and a battleaxe like their 16th century vikings, while Halifaxian musketeers, while skilled swordsman, rarely if ever wear armour
01:46.28DrodoEmpire*swordsmen
01:46.39DrodoEmpire*they're 16th century
02:17.55Monetgoodnight
03:28.30DrodoEmpireTek0516: I just styled on some niggas on EUIV <.<
03:28.39Tek0516O.o
03:28.59DrodoEmpireI was Ottomans (yeah yeah ez) but I won an *enormous* coalition war singlehandedly
03:29.24DrodoEmpireI had all of Europe (excluding France), Mamluks, Timurids, etc. aligned against me and I was on my own
03:29.50DrodoEmpireBy all accounts I should've gotten completely fucked, but I won and won hard
03:30.22DrodoEmpireI ended the war with like 52% warscore and annexed a little country that was part of the coalition
03:30.39DrodoEmpireI took 82K losses to the coalition's 200K as well <.<
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03:32.06DrodoEmpireHey
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10:15.26HachimanHi
10:18.07Xhomeow
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10:43.22Monethello
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10:50.22GhelaeHello.
10:53.17TreebeardHello
10:54.08MonetHello
11:03.31MonetSo someone decided it would be a good idea to take a WWII shell though Eurostar customs.
11:04.08Hachimanwat
11:05.25Monet“Somebody tried to get a World War II shell through security in Paris, which was a souvenir, and so they decided to cancel two trains because it caused security concerns. It wasn’t malicious or anything." - a Eurostar worker
11:06.11Xhogg m8
11:07.05MonetIt was merely part of a thing where some people go to France and buy wartime souvenirs during their holidays.
11:09.41Monethttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/30/new-york-met-opera-cancelled-after-persons-ashes-sprinkled-into-orchestra-pit "My friend loved the opera, so I thought it would be nice to spread his ashes during a Metropolitan Opera performance.
11:12.30HachimanOh wow
11:12.49MonetIt's nice that this person is honoring their mentor's love of the opera, but couldn't he have done it by not pouring desiccated dead person over a crowd of musicians?
11:17.53HachimanPeople do this kind of shit at Disneyland all the time
11:32.19Xhohttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/7f/Maharaksas2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20161030113150 remade this dude
11:33.31MonetI decided to have a look at a couple of the molluscoid species and noticed a peculiar trait of this one http://www.stellariswiki.com/Species#/media/File:Molluscoid_slender_02.png
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11:34.02Xhoups
11:34.18OluapPlayerHi
11:34.22Xhohttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/7f/Maharaksas2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20161030113150 remade devil!dragon
11:34.45OluapPlayerI see
11:35.03MonetThen there's this one http://www.stellariswiki.com/images/d/d0/Fungoid_massive_16.png
11:35.26HachimanMonet: Hm?
11:35.31HachimanXho: dergon
11:35.53MonetHAchiman: I think in both those portraits, there's two species present.
11:36.03HachimanAh yeah
11:36.09XhoAlthough less of a dragon and more like a lesser void god in the shape of a dragon
11:37.23XhoI saw Infinitum btw
11:37.34Xhobet it had nice conversations with Samayapalaka
11:37.46Xho"beep"          "beep"
11:39.21OluapPlayerI'm writing their page now
11:41.22XhoSo what's the new arcane Colossus then
11:41.34OluapPlayerDon't know yet
11:41.42OluapPlayerOne thing at a time
11:41.47Xhoall things at once nao
11:41.53MonetHAchiman: http://www.stellariswiki.com/Species#/media/File:Fungoid_slender_04.png this one also looks like a parasite
11:41.57HachimanMeanwhile I'm grabbing the slot of the 11th Simulacra
11:42.00HachimanSimulacrum*
11:42.12OluapPlayerJust make sure you actually make them
11:42.34HachimanI will, I just need some input so I have a solid idea
11:43.51XhoMaharaksas - engineer_negativevocalization12.wav
11:44.13XhoSimulacrum of saltiness
11:44.15Xhodere
11:44.33XhoLiterally just one giant god of salt crystals
11:44.44Hachimanhur
11:44.52HachimanI was thinking of making them actually benevolent
11:45.06XhoNalashtannylor - send help              got help
11:45.07HachimanTo make them different from the rest of the ambiguous, neutral, and evil Simulacra
11:45.31XhoIf Liquid Ink's fiction is no longer valid then I'll expand the Kelodhrosi Commonwealth further westwards if no one else has already
11:45.54HachimanHe has said that part of his fiction is still valid
11:45.57Xhofukn
11:46.06Xhonorthwards then
11:46.09Xhoor southwards
11:46.11Xhoeverywhere
11:46.14Xhoone giant pink blotch
11:46.16OluapPlayerLeave room for others
11:46.19Xhonever
11:47.24HachimanI need some aspects and such to base the new Simulacrum around
11:47.37XhoAnger
11:47.42XhoOh wait
11:47.44Xhobenevolent
11:47.46Xhohm
11:47.48HachimanAlso Crux
11:47.53OluapPlayerInverse of what Ink's thing used to do
11:47.56Xhohe aint angry
11:47.57Xhohe just bork
11:47.59HachimanNyuumvooraa's aspects were hopelessness and despair, which weren't particularly benign
11:48.05HachimanSo, hope
11:48.11XhoHope and [whatever despair isn't]
11:49.16OluapPlayerhttp://opposite-of.com/despair/
11:49.34OluapPlayerA site with the opposite of words
11:49.38XhoThere's an actual website for antonyms
11:49.41Xhowtf
11:50.28XhoAs long as it isn't purity, protection, choice, truth or wrath then you're good
11:51.20XhoTrust is a pretty good one
11:51.42HachimanSimulacrum of hope, trust, courage, and happiness
11:52.24XhoWhat about love
11:52.38XhoEither way
11:52.40XhoZran Kar - https://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-07/14/17/enhanced/webdr03/enhanced-8997-1436908280-2.jpg
11:52.41HachimanHm thought Kalisearan would have had that covered
11:53.10OluapPlayerShe does
11:53.25XhoI would've thought that was more like wild threesomes but alright
11:53.54OluapPlayerImp's Simulacra have both good and bad aspects
11:54.23HachimanShe represents passion; new Simulacrum could represent something like love or compassion
11:54.24XhoHow many good Daedra were there
11:54.25Xhohm
11:55.11XhoAzura and Meridia really
11:55.35OluapPlayerWe don't need to be a carbon copy of the Daedra anyway
11:56.02XhoI was just pondering
11:56.13XhoIf you're gonna be all stabby today then I'm gonna leave the IRC
11:57.01OluapPlayerwut
11:57.05OluapPlayerI'm just making a statement
11:58.26XhoWell there isn't a carbon copied Daedra for love anyway
11:58.30XhoOr hope or
11:58.32Xhoblah
12:00.44HachimanI dunno if this Simulacrum is maybe becoming a little too good-goody and white
12:00.51Hachiman=goody-goody*
12:00.55XhoNalashtannylor - fukn loser
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12:01.14XhoOr [Insert Simulacrum Here] - fukn loser
12:01.48OluapPlayerWell, a couple of Simulacra are pure black
12:01.54OluapPlayerThere isn't really a reason there can't be a pure white one
12:02.56HachimanTrue
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12:19.37MonetHello
12:19.52OluapPlayerHi dino
12:21.45TreebeardHello
12:21.56dino82_hi
12:22.01dino82_howz all doing!
12:22.27dino82_@Oluap: I am currently working fanatically to get Exalted with the Nightborn, it seems you need this to complete the final stages -_- loooong process :D
12:22.48OluapPlayerDon't they have a tabard? You could get that and just do dungeons
12:24.49Xhohttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14855999_977045925739516_2844482453846122767_o.jpg floof
12:25.06OluapPlayerfloox
12:25.07MonetFloofy foxy
12:25.38XhoSo I'm into week 1 of growing a beard
12:25.47XhoOr week 2 if counting the week just past
12:25.49OluapPlayerdino82_: You're trying to do that, and I'm trying to get Exalted with Netherwing
12:25.51XhoSo week 2
12:25.58OluapPlayerIt's making me hate myself more every day
12:27.02XhoOluapPlayer: "the Colossus was absorbed by the earth"            Caligaduro - tell me about, it keeps making inane jokes
12:27.23OluapPlayerCaligaduro - STOP SINGING ON MY EAR JESUS
12:27.46XhoInfinitum - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U2zJOryHKQ
12:28.11OluapPlayernani
12:29.28dino82_Oh neat with the Netherwing! What benefits does that have?
12:29.49dino82_No Nightborn don't have a tabard (yet) as far as my knowledge reaches
12:30.18OluapPlayerYou get nether drake mounts
12:30.49dino82_Neat!
12:31.05OluapPlayerVERY slow to progress though
12:31.52OluapPlayerThey have no tabard, and the only way to get rep is to do daily quests or farm netherwing drake eggs which are very, very rare
12:34.33OluapPlayerSpeaking of which I should go do that now before someone else gets the eggs, they only respawn every 2 hours
12:38.49dino82_:D
12:41.02XhoSo how is the new Skyrim going
12:47.36XhoTempted to get LA Noire tho
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12:47.45Wormy_That new google game is super addictive
12:47.48Wormy_hi
13:00.21TreebeardHello
13:06.13Wormy_I'm a bit of a geek when it comes to minerals http://phys.org/news/2016-10-mineral-merelaniite.html
13:06.55HachimanOluapPlayer: Nice stuff on Infinitum
13:07.57OluapPlayerThnaks
13:19.16Xho0nf0n0t0m
13:20.39XhoHachiman: You asked for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGLJGXfI5R8
13:21.43HachimannICE
13:21.44HachimanNice
13:21.59HachimanAlso can I just note that the tentacle parts in Dark Injection provide charm bonuses
13:22.33Xhohen tai
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13:32.46Wormy_preserved dinosaur brain discovered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqDQGCxN_SA
13:34.32XhoOluapPlayer: Ya know you got Arcane Drake on Infinitum's page and Aether Drake on the navbox rite
13:34.51OluapPlayerbagh
13:34.54OluapPlayerI'll fix that later
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13:43.37JepardiHi
13:46.36TreebeardHello
13:57.50Wormy_Monet: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2016/10/29/no-mans-sky-subreddit-goes-full-mr-robot-to-poke-fun-at-hello-games/amp/
14:01.23MonetHigh-larious!
14:02.27Wormy_"We’re binging Mr Robot Episodes"...  What?  Instead of fixing the game?
14:02.41Wormy_I can understad that reaction
14:02.47MonetActually is it me or has Forbes decided to do lots and lots of "top X Y"
14:05.47Wormy_I think if NMS hadn't been hyped and started small as it is on Steam - and that they kept a good dialogue with the community, it'd have a popular following by now.  That's the tragedy of the game
14:06.18Wormy_It could have gradually improved over a couple of years like Space Engineers
14:06.42HachimanShouldn't have lied to people then
14:08.02Wormy_I concede.
14:09.40XhoIt was fun for about 7 hours
14:10.25Wormy_That being said, I did find something awesome in NMS recently, which really did campture something.  The game just doesn't have enough of it - http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198054095784/screenshots/  (roll over spoilers)
14:10.31Wormy_*capture
14:22.57Wormy_Monet, Hachiman:  Have you seen this game? http://www.thesignalfrom.com/
14:24.29HachimanWormy_: I haven't, but it looks curious
14:26.35DrodoEmpireYeah I liked "Sir, You Are Being Hunted" so that seems interesting
14:29.08Wormy_"The Signal From Tölva is a journey into a wild science fiction landscape, filled with danger and beauty: you must survive terrible hazards, navigate through impossible spaces, and fight an ongoing battle to control this haunted, blighted world. You will make use of a range of powerful tools to overcome your enemies and uncover secrets: hack robots to battle alongside you, equip powerful weapons and savage defence systems."
14:30.14Wormy_I hope the survival will be more complex than in NMS
14:35.51DrodoEmpireHuh
14:36.00DrodoEmpireIt does seem to have a similar art style for sure
14:36.04DrodoEmpirehttp://i.imgur.com/gsTZoX8.jpg
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14:38.12CyrannianHello everyone
14:40.01Xhoack
14:41.08TreebeardHello
14:42.12dino82_HiCyrannian!
14:43.49XhoDrodoEmpire: -you just a nigga with a garden hose
14:44.32DrodoEmpirehur
14:44.51XhoI'd just have to be a Twin Swordsman for the wu-tang sword style
14:51.47MonetThe golden knight secretly has the worst armour
14:56.28DrodoEmpireTwin swordsman secretly has the worst weapon loadout <.<
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15:00.47Xhodun care
15:00.48Xhowu-tang
15:08.58DrodoEmpirehttp://i.imgur.com/miHfEuC.jpg o-oh.
15:11.08Xhorite
15:19.02Xhobored
15:37.48dino82_bye bye
15:38.32Monetperforms the fish-slap dance
15:44.02MonetOay now I have the Flying Circus tune in my head.
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16:13.28Hachiman"-Fuck, you the niggest"
16:15.26DrodoEmpirehttp://i.imgur.com/chsXldG.jpg
16:19.36DrodoEmpirehttp://i.imgur.com/VIxODMf.jpg
16:45.05HachimanCharles_Bot: https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/14570460_1054253481353506_3282228159609757612_n.jpg?oh=e575ad6b5da84187d65930181051cde6&oe=5887F096
16:46.31Charles_BotLol
17:00.05MonetOwned
17:03.45Cyrannianhttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/2b/Cyranduas.png/revision/latest?cb=20161030170329 - Another updated world
17:37.23DrodoEmpiretest
17:41.54DrodoEmpireLooking at Endless Space 2
17:42.05DrodoEmpireBy god, the game is astonishingly beautiful
17:42.43DrodoEmpireThe visuals are colourful and detailed to the extreme, the UI seems very elegant and modern
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17:46.40MonetDrodoEmpire: Iceberg have really outdone themselves visually
17:47.00DrodoEmpire^
17:51.48The_RandomnessLinks? :o
17:53.48DrodoEmpireCheck steam
17:55.48The_Randomnessoh wow
17:57.39The_RandomnessLooks really nice
17:57.42DrodoEmpireYeah
17:57.55The_RandomnessToo many good games for me to keep up with :<
18:01.30Charles_BotToo many games
18:01.35Charles_BotNot enough buying power
18:01.50The_Randomnessmore like not enough time for me
18:14.06Tek0516I'd like to get Civ6 for example but $80 as an student currently with no job. >.>
18:36.34DrodoEmpirehttps://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14601016_1935669156660530_5088863342241749375_n.jpg?oh=eb48922f7065f197744b31bc67cec28e&oe=589678A8
18:44.25Tek0516Huh. So for this podcast I'm listening to the host interviewed actual Taliban. O.o
18:47.21DrodoEmpireWhat about?
18:47.42*** join/#sporewiki Imperios (~Imperios@95.140.92.4)
18:48.54ImperiosHi
18:48.57ImperiosHachiman DrodoEmpire: https://2ch.hk/po/src/18999264/14778469401843.jpg
18:49.20DrodoEmpireayyyy lmao
18:49.50ImperiosXho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CwsRLi_708
18:50.36Tek0516She's investigating the capture of this one US soldier in Afghanistan by the Taliban. And when you're trying to figure out what was really going on, getting their story certainly provides one important perspective.
18:51.31DrodoEmpireRight, right
18:59.17XhoOluapPlayer: purpl ghostie dergon
18:59.30OluapPlayerye
18:59.53XhoAlso anyone can feel free to remake the Sky Drakes since I have no fictional involvement over air magic
19:02.17OluapPlayersuffocated
19:15.31Xhoinb4 plastic bag dragons
19:16.59XhoImperios: Page ain't loading
19:17.05XhoOh wait here we go
19:17.45Xhokek
19:32.13HachimanJust gonna say
19:32.18HachimanFireknight is a cool concept
19:35.13OluapPlayerXho: https://giant.gfycat.com/UnsteadyAlertCrossbill.webm
19:35.57HachimanIs that the special edition?
19:37.58OluapPlayerIt's not brown so probably not
19:44.00XhoThat is the new edition I think
19:44.04Xhoalso kek
19:46.35XhoOluapPlayer: I bet that since the Aether Drakes reside in the stars Nalashtannylor probably considers them friends
19:46.48XhoOr he chases them with a broom going shoo
19:46.50Xhoeither or
19:46.56OluapPlayerAether Drakes - #rude
19:48.23OluapPlayerBut the former is the most likely yes
20:08.15ImperiosMonet Hachiman: I have been thinking
20:08.37ImperiosCan the SporeWikiverse, and other similar wiki projects, be considered a new unique form of literature
20:09.06ImperiosWhere around half of the information is given via encyclopedic articles, and the other via stories, the two halves weaving together to create a more immersive experience
20:09.13ImperiosIf you thiink about it's something pretty new
20:13.05MonetI think Tolkien experimented with it after the Hobbit.
20:13.45MonetBut not in the way we're working.
20:15.46HachimanEh well
20:15.51HachimanI dunno, maybe
20:16.06HachimanSCP Foundation kinda does that
20:17.03Charles_BotA lot of it is also contained in the relations, discussions, and recognition between writers
20:17.26OluapPlayerActually yeah, SCP Foundation does exactly this
20:17.35OluapPlayerExcept SCP has no canon
20:18.35ImperiosHachiman: SCP is kind of only marginally older than SporeWiki
20:18.52HachimanIt became refined before we did however
20:19.15XhoSo looking at the Church of Satan page
20:19.23Xho"We’re Satanists, so we expect to be compensated for our time and efforts."
20:19.27XhoAt least they're honest about it
20:20.35XhoIt's more like the Cthulhu Mythos with +100% zap and interracial breeding
20:21.04MonetI think some game developers create lorebooks for their staff to use during development, I'm not sure.
20:21.38OluapPlayerNever heard of that
20:22.13Xhonever herd of wut
20:22.35MonetThese 'lorebooks' aren't usually circulated beyond the development teams.
20:23.22OluapPlayerDeveloper-made lorebooks u dingus pay attention
20:24.22Xhobut u never herd of it so u pay attention double dingus
20:26.37MonetThere are these things called character bibles.
20:27.53MonetBasically they're packed with what are essentially a character's blueprints - backstory, personality description, turnaround references, concept art, equipment designs and pages filled with drawn expressions.
20:29.45Xhoah
20:29.54XhoGood for game development
20:31.03MonetFilm, TV and animation studios use them too.
20:32.19MonetThey come in environment variants as well. Somewhere in Blizzard's offices are probably giant 100-page-binders that are essentially "how to build Stormwind"
20:33.55OluapPlayer"make sure the seagull is inside the pumpkim"
20:35.36XhoI imagine Bethesda's are like 5 pages with all the clipping
20:36.23OluapPlayerThe pages also clip on each other
20:37.57Xhowell played
20:38.42DrodoEmpireayy
20:39.46DrodoEmpire*fire emoji* *fire emoji* *ok hand emoji* *crying laughing emoji* *underlined 100 emoji*
20:39.54DrodoEmpire<.<
20:40.02OluapPlayerpls die
20:40.19DrodoEmpirekk
20:43.17ImperiosDrodoEmpire: I respond to a Neo-Nazi and this starts playing in my playlist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYDbSLIWyYw
20:44.05XhoHachiman: so how's the simulacrum coming along
20:44.26DrodoEmpireayyyy lmao
20:44.42HachimanWell
20:44.50HachimanIt was going well until complexity meter
20:44.54Xholel
20:45.00Xhoget crash'd m8
20:45.24XhoI always save my creations in stages so I don't overdo it and cause the game to crash
20:45.26DrodoEmpireImperios: http://i.imgur.com/VIxODMf.jpg
20:45.49XhoAlthough I'm not sure whether it depends on desktop power really
20:45.57Imperioshur
20:46.05XhoMy creatures are less complex than they used to be
20:46.07XhoI think
20:46.09ImperiosAlso holy shit just about a week until the presidential elections
20:46.43HachimanMy game didn't crash
20:46.49HachimanI mean as in actual complexity meter
20:46.51DrodoEmpireElection day seems to fall on my birthday if I'm not mistaken
20:46.54ImperiosIn Freeduhmia that is
20:47.02XhoHachiman: get infinite complexity m8
20:47.14XhoAlthough it's not actually infinite since the game does crash at a certain level
20:47.27HachimanFor some reason my Dark Injection didn't give me infinite complexity
20:47.32XhoThere's two versions of it
20:47.37XhoOne with and one without
20:47.38ImperiosFinally we shall see if America shall become a corrupt tyranny led by a mad oligarch
20:47.43ImperiosOr build a wall
20:47.43HachimanI have the version that doesn't fuck up my colours lmao
20:47.49ImperiosWell
20:47.53Xhomine doesn't u fool
20:47.55ImperiosThe former point is not up to debate
20:47.57ImperiosIT is a certainty
20:48.14XhoI have parts that give them Darkspore textures rather than the Core Spore Textures
20:48.34XhoI prefer the Darkspore Textures because it looks more contiguous than the Core Spore Textures
20:50.19Monetchecks out
20:52.24ImperiosAFAIK Shillary is like 95% likely to win righT?
20:52.30XhoImperios: Holy shit 1984 election
20:53.14ImperiosXho: Trump  - *fap fap fap*
20:53.41DrodoEmpireI dunno Clinton's got a pretty narrow lead now
20:54.16XhoSome prediction said it was something like 260/110 or something
20:54.42XhoTo Clinton
20:54.52TechnobliteratorCurrent percent chance is 80%
20:55.12MonetOne reason is because Hillary actually has a fucking plan
20:55.28TechnobliteratorBut I would take that with a grain of salt, because it's mainstream media which are inherently biased towards pro-establishment candidates
20:55.36DrodoEmpireYeah pretty much
20:56.02DrodoEmpireThough I'm sure independent analysts are saying similar stuff
20:56.08DrodoEmpireTV media is indeed a joke >.<
20:56.16TechnobliteratorI used to think it would be a definite Trump win, now I think the assault tapes may have killed his campaign and it's a tossup
20:56.36Technobliteratorsince he'll struggle to win not only battleground states, but even some red states
20:56.52ImperiosIndeed
20:57.23OluapPlayerI just want it to end so people can stop talking about it
20:57.31TechnobliteratorWell, only 10 more days
20:57.32TechnobliteratorI think?
20:57.41OluapPlayerThis has been the most annoying election of anything I've ever seen
20:58.03TechnobliteratorThis was definitely worse than 2012, yes
20:58.24Technobliteratoroh no, 9 days
20:58.32ImperiosYeah it got a bit annoying
20:59.01ImperiosTBH I mostly see the candidates as "bro evil overlord" and "non-bro evil overlord"
20:59.18TechnobliteratorI see them as both pretty awful
20:59.27TechnobliteratorBut really it doesn't matter who wins
20:59.53ImperiosI mean Trump is an evil overlord that is friendly with our overlord
20:59.59ImperiosHillary is an evil overlord that isn't
21:00.00Technobliteratoreither way, war profiteering will continue, there will be no real solution to climate change, income inequality will get worse, democracy will continue to be a total sham
21:00.06MonetWell they would when one is a racist and misogynistic asswipe and one has spent 25 solid years getting nothing but conspiracies
21:00.16Cyrannianhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuGH2SoW8AAVWzL.jpg:large - Interesting map
21:01.13Technobliterator9% in China
21:01.13Technobliteratorhahahahaha
21:01.27Technobliteratoraw, only Russia wants him to win
21:01.33MonetThe one positive I got from this election was watching Wikileaks devolve into a tin-foil-hat wearing drunkard.
21:01.50ImperiosWe welcome bloodthirsty tyrants
21:02.10OluapPlayerruskies hard at work rotting for meme man
21:02.17OluapPlayerrooting even
21:02.21ImperiosTHE MEME MAGIC OF THE MOTHERLAND
21:02.30ImperiosTOVARISCH PEPEVICH
21:02.54Technobliteratorthere were no positives
21:03.01Technobliteratorthe only real choice lost because it was rigged
21:03.08ImperiosWAaait
21:03.14ImperiosBulgaria's flag is incorrect
21:03.26Imperiosenters into a vexillological rage
21:03.37ImperiosDrodo, Charles, back me up her
21:03.38Imperiose
21:03.42MonetOne thing I've read up on is Hilary is partly responsible for restoring (or at least partly restoring) the world's trust in America.
21:03.48ImperiosBulgaria's flag should not be defaced with the country's coat of arms
21:03.56ImperiosAnd even if it was the greater coat of arms should not be used
21:04.12Technobliteratoruh, in what sense?
21:05.00MonetTechnobliterator: In the "working with foreign leaders on a common goal" sense.
21:05.05ImperiosWE WILL NEVER TRUST THEM
21:05.07ImperiosNOT IN A THOUSAND YEARS
21:05.12Technobliteratorah
21:05.16TechnobliteratorFair enough
21:05.50MonetIt's hardly in the news because Hillary is at her most effective when outside of the spotlight.
21:06.37Technobliteratoror not running for anything
21:07.03ImperiosHillary to me seems like she's knowledgeable
21:07.30ImperiosShe's corrupt but she also knows the internal workings of Burgerland's government
21:07.39MonetThe internet has turned "no news is good news" into "no news is no news" - Like with all the crash coverage you'd think (and there are an increasing number who do) flying commercial is the most dangerous way to travel in the world.
21:07.39ImperiosUnlike Trump who is just plain an idiot
21:08.04ImperiosBut then again the president does not act alone, and with proper advisors Trump...welll
21:08.25ImperiosTBH
21:08.48ImperiosI believe that Trump's current persona will evaporate the moment he gets into power, if he ever does
21:08.51TechnobliteratorImperios, that just makes him more scary
21:08.55MonetStatistically you're more likely these days to get hit by a meteor than die in a plane crash.
21:09.00TechnobliteratorYou know which advisors he's going to surround himself with?
21:09.00ImperiosHe's crazy because he has no strings
21:09.03TechnobliteratorI'll give you a hint
21:09.10ImperiosTrump gets into office, suddenly he has a lot
21:09.10TechnobliteratorThe same ones George W. Bush surrounded himself with
21:09.14ImperiosOooh yep
21:09.15TechnobliteratorAnd Mike Fucking Pence
21:10.15TechnobliteratorTrump has no opinions. He just goes with whatever the last person in the room said to him.
21:10.16Xho[21:09] <Imperios> He's crazy because he has no strings                              AMERICA: AGE OF TRUMPTRON
21:10.33TechnobliteratorThat, and the incompetence, is what's far more scary than most of the scaremongering of "ohhhh racist"
21:10.39ImperiosXho: YOU'RE ALL PUPPETS   TANGLED IN WALLS
21:10.56ImperiosYOU PROTECT AMERICA, BUT YOU DO NOT WANT IT TO CHANGE
21:11.47MonetPeopel accuse Hilary of being corrupt but without the mob or the US government's bankruptcy loopholes Trump would have been broke and on the street in the 1970s
21:12.13ImperiosXho: "I'm gonna show you something beautiful... Muslims, screaming for mercy!"
21:13.00XhoHillary the Accuser                         "REPUBLICANS, YOU STAND ACCUSED"
21:14.17ImperiosDo you see the beauty of it? The inevitability? You rise, only to fall. You, Mexicans, you are my meteor. My great and terrible wall and Mexico will crack with the weight of your failure to immigrate. Accuse me of racist; turn my own flesh against me. It means nothing! When the dust settles, the only things living in America, will be white.
21:14.53XhoIt works
21:15.03Imperios" I was meant to be new. I was meant to beautiful. The world would've looked to the sky and seen hope, seen mercy. Instead, they'll look up in horror."
21:15.17ImperiosHoly shit some of Ultron's quotes actually work for Trump without any changes whatsoever
21:15.19OluapPlayerwhat is this nonsense
21:15.25Imperios"You know what's in that cradle? The power to make real change, and that terrifies you. "
21:15.39TechnobliteratorIn hindsight, Ultron's dialog was pretty good
21:16.44Imperios"Worthy? How could you be worthy? You're all killers. You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to change. There's only one path to peace... the Democrats' extinction."
21:17.16XhoOluapPlayer: nani sore
21:17.28OluapPlayerYes, nani
21:18.03ImperiosTechnobliterator: He is basically nothing but wasted potential
21:18.28ImperiosBrought too quickly, killed off too quickly, ends up being nothing but a generic doomsday villain
21:18.43HachimanHe was also "killed" like 10 times
21:18.48HachimanSo he wasn't really threatening
21:18.59TechnobliteratorI agree
21:19.05TechnobliteratorBut his dialog was decent
21:19.11TechnobliteratorThe MCU is garbage at creating villains
21:19.12ImperiosDialogue was decent yeah
21:19.14Technobliteratorit's really bad
21:19.15ImperiosAye
21:19.22ImperiosThey have like two or three okay villains
21:19.27ImperiosLoki and Zemo
21:19.28ImperiosBlarg
21:19.28MonetI kind of liked his body switching.
21:19.39ImperiosMaybe Obadiah
21:19.48ImperiosIf only they made Mandarin a true villain
21:19.54ImperiosI blame China
21:20.07XhoLoki is the only villain with any development
21:20.39TechnobliteratorLoki is the only good villain they've ever had, yes
21:21.11MonetI think part of Ultron's design was he was a villain who was omnipresent.
21:21.30MonetHe could be almost everywhere at once.
21:23.23ImperiosThat was cool yeah
21:23.46ImperiosTBH I had a personal headcanon concept for movie Mandarin
21:23.52ImperiosWant to hear me out?
21:24.09Xhonah m8
21:24.10XhoWell go ahead
21:24.22MonetI figured Mandarin was made middle-eastern in the present because of the times.
21:27.07ImperiosWell first of all he'd be less Chinese and more Mongolian or Central Asian, basically "nomadic"
21:27.33ImperiosI'd personally want him to be Central Asian, maybe even Kazakh or Kyrgyz dunno
21:28.06ImperiosIt would actually explain how he got into power: maybe he served the Soviet Union once and grew rich during its fall when its state property was plundered by oligarchs
21:28.23ImperiosBut that's just my personal preference
21:28.46ImperiosSo he would have that Mongolian motif and model himself after Genghis Khan, but not JUST Genghis Khan
21:30.07ImperiosBut also all "savage" conquerors coming from less advanced lands and destroying more advanced empires, from Alexander the Great to the barbarians who sacked Rome to the Four Rashidun Caliphs, to the Seljuk Turks, etc
21:30.31ImperiosIn the cartoon I remember he had a knack against technology, so what if the MCU developed on that
21:31.07ImperiosWhat if he was a villain that believed that every now and then civilisation grows corrupt and has to be destroyed by a less decadent, more primitive force for humanity to remain strong
21:31.35MonetProblem is the League of Shadows already does that.
21:32.07ImperiosThe League of Shadows is kind more about actual acts of terrorism, I'm talking about Gumilev-style barbarian uprisings
21:32.42ImperiosA bit like Dune, a decadent civilisation must be purged by a simple, barbaric people
21:33.11ImperiosSo he'd fight Iron Man because he sees him as a symbol of modern/Western civilisation
21:34.02ImperiosThere could be two main fights, a bit like in Dark Knight Rises: the first one is done using modern tech mostly but ends with Mandarin somehow disabling or circumventing Iron Man's armour, and him easily defeating him
21:34.31ImperiosThen after closer to the end they fight basically man-to-man
21:34.34Imperios*after that
21:34.42ImperiosWithout any tech whatsoever
21:35.08MonetTony's not an unsupported hand-to-hand combatant though. Never has been.
21:35.28ImperiosWell not easily perhaps
21:36.00ImperiosAnd Iron Man wins not because of his suit or brute strength but with his brains and cunning - using the surroundings, tricking him, etc
21:36.19ImperiosA bit like Batman fighting the Mutant Leader in Dark Knight Returns
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21:39.40DrodoEmpireHi
22:06.27CyrannianImperios: OluapPlayer: Monet: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/08/Arnoario.png/revision/latest?cb=20161030220604 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/f8/Arnoario02.png/revision/latest?cb=20161030220354 - take a look
22:07.02OluapPlayerVery nice
22:07.10MonetLots of white
22:09.16ImperiosShinytown
22:10.00CyrannianLibertus are like magpies in their love for shiny things
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22:12.22Wormy_What a but ugly website, what is it with those working in AI, information theory, comsci and bad design  https://schneider.ncifcrf.gov/
22:12.24Wormy_butt
22:13.40XhoHachiman: So I got the intro to Philistine Philosphies by Sikth down
22:13.46Xhonot the easiest thing ever written
22:17.24DrodoEmpireFighting the first War of the Protestant League in my Ottomans game
22:17.29DrodoEmpire(on EUIV)
22:17.46DrodoEmpireAlready a million casualties total
22:18.53DrodoEmpireI've lost about half my army and I'm thinking of pulling out as it is, joining the protestant league was a mistake >.<
22:19.06DrodoEmpireI'm in comparitively good shape, too
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23:01.43TybusenHello
23:01.46GhelawayHello.
23:12.13ImperiosGhelaway: Do you have any idea how to determine a cumulative distribution function
23:12.17Imperiosof a function
23:12.19ImperiosFUCK YOU GHELAE
23:12.45DrodoEmpire>:
23:12.52Wormy_He was probs distracted, we were discussing spatial anomalies on #cyrannus
23:14.20Wormy_Maybe you'll be lucky and GD12 will finish his breakfast
23:14.51DrodoEmpirehur
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23:16.55Wormy_Imperios:  I find videos like this helpful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGS19PxlGC4
23:17.10Spluff5Hi
23:17.16Wormy_hi
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23:18.07NeonPandahi all
23:18.14NeonPandaMonet: the double money playlist is fun as hell
23:19.17Spluff5I have a question about making images for the wiki
23:20.17Spluff5When you place vehicles such as spaceships in an adventure to get a cool screenshot, it lowers the qulity of the model and texture of the vehicle considerably.
23:20.24Spluff5How do you get around this?
23:20.51MonetNeonPanda: Really need to try those at some point.
23:21.09NeonPandaLost vs Damned especially is great
23:21.42Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannus_Galaxy/Core_Worlds#Arnoario - Take a look
23:21.52NeonPanda32-64k for twelve minutes' work
23:22.44TybusenSpluff5: I honestly don't know what to tell you other than construct the image so that the lower-quality models aren't a problem
23:23.49MonetNeonPanda: Damn.
23:23.57CyrannianSpluff5: You could also try the "highresTextureLevel high" cheat, which works for me
23:24.04Spluff5Also, I was trying to add a massive amount of windows to one of my ships the other day and I reached the complexity cap.
23:24.51TybusenAs far as I'm aware, there isn't a way to increase the complexity cap on vehicles
23:25.08Spluff5When I tried to use freedom it said that I could only use it in the "non-game editors" even though I was using the editor from the home screen
23:25.47Spluff5How do you guys make spaceships that look massive as opposed to the airplane sized ones the editor is designed for?
23:26.11Spluff5I've tried adding lots  and lots of windows but that reaches the cap pretty quick
23:26.14NeonPandaonly problem I've been having is finding a good lobby to stick with
23:26.38Wormy_In GA, we don't use vehicle models to screenshots, but hide gadgets using vehicle models.
23:27.02Wormy_It gives you the ability to scale the model a lot more
23:27.04Spluff5What?
23:27.11Spluff5You mean like disguised gates?
23:27.13TybusenYeah, typically you use a disguised gate
23:27.20Wormy_Yes
23:27.21TybusenMore freedom to scale and move the model
23:27.31Spluff5Yeah, I use that to
23:27.32Spluff5too*
23:27.41Spluff5I means you have more control over their positioning
23:27.47CyrannianI don't use windows when making ships, but I recommend making each individual part as small as it can be. Also, a good colour scheme can go a long way
23:28.12Spluff5What I mean ships that are USS Enterprise sized rather than the size of a space shuttle.
23:28.28Wormy_I don't use windows, and rerely use the spaceship-built parts because they are too big
23:28.40Spluff5They don't need to actually be that large, just look like they could be if scaled up in terms on design.
23:28.46TybusenYeah, it's mostly a matter of scaling on the original model itself
23:28.53Spluff5Can I see examples of some of your ships?
23:29.06Spluff5Maybe I just need to build them smaller
23:29.14TybusenYou might be able to find a paint pattern that is able to simulate windows without having to use building blocks as windows
23:29.16Wormy_However, wings, effects and shapes do grant more freedom to scale
23:29.52Wormy_Or skip windows entirely
23:30.56Spluff5I like windows, they really allow you to show how large a ship is supposed to be because you can make them so small
23:31.04Wormy_http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=ftr-ufo%3Ausr-Wormulon%7C2267110959%3Aview-newest
23:31.35Spluff5What I could do to avoid complexity caps is to build the ship in sections and then use multiple disguised gates to build the whole ship in the GA.
23:31.51Cyrannianhttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/51/Imperial-class.png/revision/latest?cb=20161025203217 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/11/AretenusStarDestroyer.png/revision/latest?cb=20161023160642 - Two of my recent ones, with enough practice you can make just about any ship from popular culture (even within the complexity meter)
23:33.03Wormy_"The Capital", "Draconis wormhole coach" and sentinel class were meant to be big ships, there I used parts that looked like bridges to be quite small against the ship as a whole, or small plates with textures reminescent of greenhoused habitat domes
23:35.35Spluff5Whoa! Anoario looks fantastic!
23:36.07Spluff5I'm not very good at building design so I really need to practice before I can show you my city ideas.
23:37.17Cyranniandanke, glad you like it, with cities, minimising everything is also a good idea, so you avoid the curvature of the planet in GA interfering with the screenshot
23:38.04Spluff5Yeah, I have mods that give me bigger planets too which can help with that.
23:38.09Wormy_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Emperors_Palace.png  http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/49/HumanRepublicSentinal.png/revision/latest?cb=20140322231611
23:39.21Spluff5How do you guys get shots of good space flight? The sky in the GA doesn't have a lot of stars and it's really really hard to get good lighting on the ships but not have the atmosphere visible.
23:40.12Wormy_I set the ground to be as dark as possible, make the ships reasonably small, and use freecam
23:40.47Wormy_Though now I prefer to cut the ships out in an image editing program
23:41.11Wormy_I think Cyrannian has a method of using the sky very high above the planet
23:43.34Spluff5Oh, I GTG
23:43.37CyrannianAye, I also use freecam, focus on the ship and angle the camera so you can't see the planet below. I still have an atmosphere on the planet (the colour of the sky reflects on the ship, so generally I use grey or white) and I add more stars using the Add Noise effect on Paint.NET.
23:43.41Cyrannianbai
23:44.07Spluff5I won't see anything said between now and when i come back on so fill me in ^_^
23:44.11Wormy_I will post this on half of Ghelae http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Ghel%C3%A6/Guide_To_Battle_Images
23:44.19Wormy_*behalf
23:44.49ImperiosWormy_: So I spent hours finding a solution to a mathematical problem, and just realised there is a retardedly stupid obvious solution
23:45.05ImperiosI literally screamed CYKA BLYAT all over the flat
23:45.17ImperiosI think I woke up some of my relatives
23:45.32Wormy_Oh dear, I hate it when that happens in my programming exercises
23:46.56Wormy_I spent hours and hours working out why I couldn't revise a list l = [123], only to realise after a break I hadn't use commas.  You can't reverse a value by itself
23:47.03Wormy_*reverse a list
23:48.16ImperiosOluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Aether_Drake Holy shit, you made azure drakes
23:48.19Imperiosblue drakes even
23:48.23ImperiosMalygos ftw
23:49.24OluapPlayerNether drakes, not blue
23:49.39ImperiosTheir role kind of fits blue drakes more
23:49.46OluapPlayerWell, I got the idea from nethers, but thematically they're probably more like blues
23:50.28ImperiosTwilight drakes are the best tho
23:51.08MonetYeah they sound like the Blue Flight.
23:51.23OluapPlayerThat was a bit of a coincidence
23:51.32OluapPlayerThe colouration should show I based them on nether drakes
23:51.56MonetThey look like nethers but act like blues
23:52.16OluapPlayerbluether
23:53.39ImperiosTwilights are odd, TBH I am not even sure what they are supposed to be
23:53.51ImperiosTHey are either void-using drakes or drakes that feed on magic energy
23:54.14ImperiosOluapPlayer: They lack the shark mouths doe
23:54.15MonetI can't remember the whole story about the Nethers. Something about Deathwing and Draenor magic.
23:54.42OluapPlayerBlack dragon eggs left on Draenor when it kerploded and absorbed a bunch of Twisting Nether magic
23:55.21OluapPlayerAnd I don't know twilight dragons, I don't think I've ever seen one
23:55.27OluapPlayerApart from the occasional guy mounting one
23:55.36ImperiosThey appear in Cata
23:55.52ImperiosBasically normal dragon + nether dragon energy + some Old God-related shenanigans = these guys
23:56.09ImperiosThey're like normal dragons but have that swirly purple aura
23:56.55OluapPlayerRight

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