| 00:50.22 | Wormy_ | Had one of those games in Falloyt 4 that go really smoothly and you kick the arse of a dozen supermutants and then get really good loot, like this pistil which does 120 damage with a gunsight |
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| 01:09.42 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
| 01:14.40 | NeonPanda | Wormy_ which pistol? a .44? |
| 01:35.26 | Tek0516 | So this one federation has a big sphere of influence. O.o https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aY0j077r/20161028213207_1.jpg |
| 01:35.58 | The_Randomness | O_o |
| 01:36.35 | Tek0516 | I mean, half of it is actually me, but still. :P |
| 01:38.52 | Tek0516 | I just have federation association status with them. Back then I was surrounded by enemies and the two friendly nations I had defensive pacts suddenly formed a federation. I took the obvious option. :P |
| 01:43.05 | Tek0516 | Normal map of the galaxy right now. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/j96eScU0/20161028213659_1.jpg |
| 01:43.24 | The_Randomness | those notifications tho |
| 01:44.15 | Tek0516 | That's mid/late game diplomacy for you. >.< |
| 01:46.05 | Tek0516 | The skull was from my dead admiral. After decades of service we stood over our greatest rival's homeworld. It's fortifications destroyed, a huge strikeforce landing on the surface... and then the admiral dies right there and then from old age. >.< |
| 01:46.16 | Tek0516 | I named a world and its sector after them. :P |
| 01:46.42 | The_Randomness | f |
| 01:48.55 | Tek0516 | Oh, I just remembered that any year now a giant space monster is going to start appear in the middle of my empire and start rampaging through it. >.> |
| 01:49.27 | The_Randomness | SeemsGood |
| 01:49.35 | The_Randomness | say hi to it for me |
| 01:49.41 | The_Randomness | I'm sure it'll appreciate it |
| 01:51.07 | Tek0516 | Ah, there it is. According to my screenshots that was 2242, and it'd happen in around 30 years. It's... 2280? |
| 01:59.31 | Tek0516 | checks the files |
| 01:59.37 | Tek0516 | Oh. Fourty years |
| 02:00.31 | Tek0516 | The_Randomness: Guess I know where I'll be as near/far from as possible in two years. :P |
| 02:00.40 | The_Randomness | :P |
| 02:01.30 | Tek0516 | I currently have three colonized worlds just within sensor range of it. >.> |
| 02:01.58 | The_Randomness | rip |
| 02:02.36 | Tek0516 | Probably a bad time to colonize the fourth. :P |
| 02:10.58 | The_Randomness | :P |
| 02:15.23 | DrodoAway | test |
| 02:15.28 | Tek0516 | "Your misguided government is an embarassment to your proud race" > They just got slaughtered by me in a war. >.> |
| 02:15.55 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: You have been invaded by an xenophobic Fallen Empire |
| 02:16.01 | DrodoEmpire | Oh ouch |
| 02:17.02 | Tek0516 | ...actually in my game the only thing stopping me from invading one empire is the huge "border friction" penalty it will give me with an xenophobic fallen empire. >.> |
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| 02:24.00 | Wormy_ | I have some pretty nice NMS screenshots today http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198054095784/screenshots/ |
| 02:24.18 | Wormy_ | NeonPanda: Yes, it might have been the .44 |
| 04:16.23 | DrodoEmpire | A Y Y https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv5yON-UEAAGfo1.jpg L M A O |
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| 09:18.59 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 09:22.48 | ImpyDroid2 | die plz |
| 09:28.20 | Hachiman | non |
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| 11:25.35 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 11:25.58 | Hachiman | Hi |
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| 11:28.59 | Monet | hi |
| 11:30.12 | NeonPanda | hi |
| 11:37.07 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 11:43.43 | Monet | I was randomly browsing and found a rather interesting (although this is mild) question about Harry Potter. |
| 11:44.10 | Monet | "Why didn't Hermione and Malfoy get along?" |
| 11:45.34 | Hachiman | That should be obvious |
| 11:46.50 | Hachiman | Malfoy is a pureblood wizard who comes from a noble family; Hermione comes from a Muggle family and has no wizarding relatives - thus "mudblood" |
| 11:47.27 | Hachiman | Granted both of them are arrogant know-it-all types |
| 11:47.37 | Monet | ALso "Did Malfoy have a crush on Hermione" |
| 11:48.44 | Monet | I think the mudblood comment says everything |
| 11:49.43 | Monet | That and in book 3 she smacks him in the gob. If he did have a crush on her that boy has a very weird way of expressing his feelings. |
| 11:53.02 | Monet | Draco I think is a good jab at the British aristocratic youth. |
| 11:54.42 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 11:56.01 | Monet | IIRC, he believed Hogwarts should be an institution only be for pureblooded wizards. |
| 11:57.33 | Hachiman | An ideology that stems from Lucius, his father, who is also a follower of Voldemort |
| 11:57.45 | Hachiman | Who got that same ideology from... I dunno, somebody else iirc |
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| 11:59.18 | Monet | As schools go, Hogwarts is pretty high-rate. |
| 11:59.50 | Monet | This idea that Hogwarts should be for the elite might have come from Salazar Slytherin himself. |
| 12:00.17 | Hachiman | I think it does |
| 12:01.03 | Monet | The Malfoys weren't just supporters of Voldermort, they consider themselves the truest kind of Slitheryn. |
| 12:01.10 | OluapPlayer | blah |
| 12:01.17 | Hachiman | hai |
| 12:02.01 | Monet | hi |
| 12:03.24 | OluapPlayer | Monet: Trying to find netherwing eggs makes me want to just jump out of Outland's edge |
| 12:03.54 | Hachiman | One thing I feel J.K. should be criticised for is not showing off protagonistic Slytherin |
| 12:04.19 | Hachiman | She just lumps them all in as being assholes or outright evil afaik |
| 12:04.21 | Monet | OluapPlayer: And that's why I gave up. |
| 12:04.33 | Monet | Hachiman: Snape seems half-and-half. |
| 12:04.45 | OluapPlayer | I've gotten about 10 to 15 in the past 2 days |
| 12:05.04 | OluapPlayer | But to reach Exalted, presuming you're not doing dailies, you need 84 eggs |
| 12:05.34 | Monet | Snape's an asshole but he does have a heart. And part of that may have been because he was horribly bullied by Peter Pettigrew, Sirius Black and Henry Potter. |
| 12:05.43 | OluapPlayer | maybe I should just join forces with the fel orcs and just slave the fucking drakes |
| 12:06.45 | OluapPlayer | After I did some farming this morning I went to Grizzly Hills, and this ice troll manipulated me into becoming a servant of the Lich King |
| 12:07.26 | OluapPlayer | Really hope I get the chance to insert axe in his face later |
| 12:08.41 | Monet | Oh don't worry. |
| 12:08.54 | Monet | That whole arc is a covert ops mission. |
| 12:14.20 | Monet | Hachiman: Slytherin is the house for ambition isn't it? |
| 12:14.44 | Hachiman | As one of its traits, yes |
| 12:14.58 | Monet | "The house is traditionally home to students who exhibit such traits as cunning, resourcefulness, and ambition" - this might be why Slytherin is full of jerks |
| 12:16.13 | Monet | Its traditions are tailored towards survirors, psychopaths, manipulators and the ambitious. |
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| 12:16.28 | Wormy_ | Hi |
| 12:16.46 | Monet | Hi |
| 12:17.13 | Wormy_ | Monet, Hachiman Google: "Sleep a little more tonight, clocks go back at 2AM", you mean. GAME a little more? |
| 12:17.35 | Hachiman | kek |
| 12:19.12 | Monet | WOrmy_: You came on as we're talking Potter |
| 12:19.46 | Monet | Just now Hachi and I considering how come Slytherin is always full of jerks. |
| 12:20.00 | Hachiman | Because J.K. is a mediocre writer ;) |
| 12:22.42 | Hachiman | In seriousness, I don't despise J.K. and I find her respectable for her writing, but I have a LOT of gripes with her writing and HP in general |
| 12:22.56 | Monet | It's not a perfect book series, no. |
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| 12:23.10 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 12:24.57 | Monet | Hachiman: I can't quite recall what Professor Slughorn was like. |
| 12:25.34 | Hachiman | As far as I know, some of the characters that are shown in the movies which people found annoying are even more insufferable in the books |
| 12:26.38 | Hachiman | And Slughorn was a protagonist Slytherin, true |
| 12:29.12 | OluapPlayer | I really gotta level my pets up |
| 12:29.24 | OluapPlayer | I just stumbled into an Unborn Val'kyr and I can't capture it |
| 12:29.27 | Monet | The main narrative I see with Slytherin is it plays off the idea that ambition is a dangerous thing. |
| 12:31.02 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: You there? |
| 12:32.40 | Monet | OluapPlayer: Never really tried pet capturing |
| 12:33.07 | OluapPlayer | It's a fun past time. Like Pokemon but simpler |
| 12:34.05 | OluapPlayer | I've got a rabbit named Hachi |
| 12:34.50 | Hachiman | <3 |
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| 12:36.29 | Monet | Hi |
| 12:36.52 | Xho | Hi |
| 12:36.58 | Monet | Xho: I was walking though town today and some guy came out of a side-street driving a BMW i8. |
| 12:37.07 | Xho | noice |
| 12:37.23 | Xho | We get the occasional i8 in Southampton but for some reason it's in the more impoverished areas |
| 12:37.28 | Xho | I'm thinking drug dealer |
| 12:39.49 | Monet | Where it came out of for me was near the city centre, there's a few car dealerships there |
| 12:39.52 | Xho | Technobliterator: hb btw |
| 12:44.20 | OluapPlayer | sponge |
| 12:45.04 | Xho | ack |
| 12:45.18 | Xho | I finally finished the main bulk of the Kelodhrosi Commonwealth page |
| 12:45.20 | Xho | 10 months later |
| 12:47.52 | Xho | Well I'm gonna go make my magnum opus video today |
| 12:48.20 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNYf894ZM8U Basically this but with Spu instead |
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| 13:32.47 | dino82_ | hi |
| 13:33.48 | Monet | hi |
| 14:02.10 | dino82_ | oh quiet on the irc :d |
| 14:02.26 | Wormy_ | Indeed |
| 14:02.38 | Wormy_ | I also need to go |
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| 14:12.53 | Monet | I just had a realisation regarding the Imperial Blood Dragons. |
| 14:13.16 | Monet | Their method of recruitment could be considered quite controversial. |
| 14:13.25 | Hachiman | Oh? |
| 14:14.18 | Monet | Well, the recruits are donated from families as eggs. |
| 14:14.37 | Monet | Or newborn hatchlings possibly. |
| 14:15.14 | Monet | Basically they are raised in an environment where the guard's garrison is only world they know. |
| 14:17.11 | dino82_ | auch |
| 14:18.52 | Monet | Not only that, recruits are conditioned to regress into a violently protective state when their paired battle-partner died. |
| 14:19.00 | Monet | dies in view* |
| 14:19.57 | Monet | They are trained to be soldiers from birth and conditioned to kill any threat to the body of a freshly-deceased partner. |
| 14:21.01 | Monet | Meanwhile Prime dragons are psychologically paired with the paragon so when *they* die, they protect the body at all costs. |
| 14:21.16 | Monet | Similar to how they'd protect a fallen partner. |
| 14:24.50 | dino82_ | And then they frown upon Rambo policies concerning the gorge? Interessting........... |
| 14:25.39 | Monet | Well it might be this is an ancient practice. |
| 14:26.37 | Monet | Bit it has been interesting that in the five years I've had the DI around, hardly anything has been said about the controversiality of this compared to the ocntroversiality of the sub-citizenry system. |
| 14:28.52 | dino82_ | Idd, it is also the first time the Ramob and DI have a differance of opinion |
| 14:29.38 | Monet | dino82: It might be that Draocnid citizens don't see a hypocrisy. They see the Gorge as a threat to international relations and free trade while the Blood Dragons are mostly an internal matter. |
| 14:30.27 | dino82_ | yeah :D though the free trade is an interessitng concept, there has never been free trade in RAmbo space , they just extend it now over the Unclaimed Territories as well |
| 14:30.37 | dino82_ | to reduce smuggling and slavery amongst other things |
| 14:30.43 | dino82_ | and to keep Heer STekeveel out :D |
| 14:31.14 | dino82_ | I like the tense situtation it created :D Showed some political difference amongst allies |
| 14:31.25 | dino82_ | and fitting of hte Gigaquadrant Conflicts :d |
| 14:32.48 | Monet | Ideally yes, every nation - just like every real person - has their own dreams and goals. |
| 14:36.54 | Monet | A universe where all nations have almost identical desires and values is like a world where no one disagrees with each other - peaceful, but ultimately dull. |
| 14:39.01 | dino82_ | yeah, it seems afterthey defeated the Xhodocto and other threats the allies seem to bicker amongst each other |
| 14:40.09 | Monet | Probably because the Xhodocto were something everyone could agree about. |
| 14:45.13 | dino82_ | haha idd |
| 14:45.31 | dino82_ | It is a bit in the spirit of the Gigaquadrant, after a unifying threat is gone, alliances fracture |
| 14:47.46 | Monet | Not too surprising. The US and USSR were culturally alien to each other. Roosevelt didn't trust Stalin. But they both saw more danger in Nazi Germany. |
| 14:48.23 | Monet | Were it not for them, WWII could have potentially been between Russia and the US. |
| 14:51.33 | Monet | There might be things about the DI that the French disagree with. But don't do it publicly because that would cause a rift neither side wants. |
| 14:53.01 | dino82_ | Understandable, though it did create a rift with the Rambo because of it |
| 14:55.43 | Xho | what's this about xhodocto now |
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| 14:56.57 | Monet | Xho: We believe the Xhodocto were one of the few things that unified the Gigaquadrant. Since after they went inactive, we had the Andromeda War and the GXS. |
| 14:57.37 | Xho | Angazhar - god has abandoned you thus was our true plan |
| 14:57.53 | Charles_Bot | I know I just joined and have no context but ^ |
| 14:58.52 | Monet | Charles_Bot: I'll pastebin for you |
| 14:59.51 | Charles_Bot | Dance |
| 15:00.00 | Charles_Bot | Danke * |
| 15:00.16 | Monet | http://pastebin.com/VB4B1XKc |
| 15:03.46 | Monet | Also Xho too if he wants context. |
| 15:05.12 | Monet | One thing was there might be things the French people don't like about the DI, but as a society they put up with it because the DI is an important military and economic partner. |
| 15:05.45 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 15:09.14 | Charles_Bot | Well what usually happens is that when two countries get along (culturally, economically, politically), they tend to highlight, pay attention to, and take out of context those things which they like or are similar to them, and mentally decontextualize those favorables in a "they're a democracy like us" kind of context |
| 15:10.25 | Charles_Bot | What happens when they don't get along is that the differences are highlighted and blown out of proportion, and contextualized within an imaginary that "they're a ruthless totalitarian dictatorship" |
| 15:10.36 | Charles_Bot | Or the equivalent |
| 15:10.40 | Monet | This all sort of started when I realised that despite a vast improvement in the sub-citizen situation, the DI still adopts the Janissary method of raising a royal guard and no one outside the DI bats an eye. |
| 15:12.24 | Charles_Bot | Those who disagree with the DI's policies do :P I saw an unfavorable reference on the Talven Empire's page |
| 15:15.21 | Monet | I think the DI will get a lot of flak for the sub-citizen system until they abolish it completely. |
| 15:17.06 | Monet | I recall that with the cultural attitude of calling a sub-citizen a slave being a social taboo was considered by Aeo as a form of newspeak. |
| 15:24.49 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, i recall |
| 15:26.29 | Monet | I will agree it's probably a form of political correctness, but this is a justified case. |
| 15:30.19 | Xho | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz-vOwadqUs Finally did it |
| 15:34.34 | Xho | OluapPlayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz-vOwadqUs My masterpiece is here |
| 15:43.07 | Hachiman | Xho: SHUT THE FUCK UP |
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| 15:43.41 | Tek0516 | Hello Wormy_ |
| 15:43.43 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 15:44.46 | dino82_ | hi |
| 15:45.05 | Wormy_ | My Dad' a lecturer and he's asked me to be on the panel to judge his undergrads' project presentations, because I'm a Masters student and have gone up in the world hah hah |
| 15:45.10 | dino82_ | @Monet/Charles: Still, it is a dangerous situations now that old alliances seem to crumble |
| 15:48.07 | Charles_Bot | Dangerous, yeah, but not that surprising |
| 15:52.05 | Monet | Sometimes agendas change. |
| 15:58.52 | Monet | Ahh crap |
| 15:59.17 | Monet | Started a new Stellaris game and the first foreign power I encounter is a fallen empire |
| 16:00.03 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 16:14.36 | Xho | I take it that's bad |
| 16:15.00 | DrodoEmpire | Yes :p |
| 16:19.50 | Monet | Fortunately they're xenophilic enigmatic observers |
| 16:22.15 | Tek0516 | I actually even got open borders from the xenophiles in my game |
| 16:23.48 | Tek0516 | Xenophiles are definitely the best to encounter, as long as you didn't plan to go genocidal. |
| 16:28.59 | Tek0516 | Xho: What happened to Monet is basically the equivalent of a species that recently discovered FTL finding put they live basically next door to precursors. |
| 16:33.14 | Tek0516 | I actually have two Fallen Empires practically bordering each other in my game, so that could end up being... Interesting. |
| 16:34.49 | Tek0516 | I'm also the only empire between the Xenophile and Xenophobe FE so if the War in Heaven happens I'm f***ed. >.> |
| 16:38.30 | Monet | So you're Europe and you pray that a Nuclear Holocaust never comes. |
| 16:47.38 | Monet | Tek0516: On the plus side, the falle nempire of mine acts as a barrier. On the minus...I'm pretty much trapped on the very tip of said arm. |
| 16:50.25 | Tek0516 | Monet: know tge feeling. My expansion into one arm got blocked by two |
| 16:53.06 | Monet | Well this might be interesting |
| 16:53.59 | Monet | I did this quest chain where I looked at ancient temples that prophesised that my empire was great things. |
| 16:54.27 | Monet | Long story short, in my Stellaris game the Draconid Imperium has become a theocracy. |
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| 16:58.50 | Xho | So I saw that Walking Dead clip where Glenn dies |
| 16:58.58 | Xho | That was more brutal than Oberyn's death |
| 16:59.05 | Monet | SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT |
| 16:59.14 | Monet | (j/k not really bothered) |
| 16:59.19 | Xho | You mean the spoiler everyone knows kek |
| 16:59.26 | Xho | Even I who does not watch the show |
| 16:59.46 | Xho | But holy hell that was nasty |
| 17:04.15 | dino82_ | idd |
| 17:10.30 | dino82_ | very gruesome -_- |
| 17:15.05 | Charles_Bot | @dino82_ But yeah, so long as the CyraEmp exists France, the DI, and the TIAF have every reason to stick together to provide a counterweight to the imperial power of the Cyrandia Cluster |
| 17:15.33 | Charles_Bot | Or a potential counterweight, I should say |
| 17:28.06 | Tek0516 | Charles_Bot: +25 opinon: Common Rivals |
| 17:50.00 | Charles_Bot | ^ |
| 17:56.22 | ImpyDroid2 | Charles_Bot: Anti-Waptor League |
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| 17:58.07 | dino82_ | @chalrs: understandable, but it dives teh Rambo more to the Impeiral side as well :D |
| 17:59.56 | Charles_Bot | That's absolutely true. |
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| 18:05.42 | Charles_Bot | It works both ways, though, which is why it's important to realize that balance of power currents and alliances aren't arbitrary. States will tend to gravitate into balancing coalitions in order to protect themselves |
| 18:10.24 | Charles_Bot | So while the Alcanti Triad remains a tight and priority alliance for the Triad states in order to balance against a preponderance of power in the other cluster, their strength and willingness to cohere threatens the Rambo in the Quadrants and forces them to seek alliances with the other side. At the same time, the Rambo's association with the Empire make the |
| 18:10.24 | Charles_Bot | Triad states more likely to choose France over it, given that France is essential to the balancing coalition. By contrast, it's unclear which side the Rambo are on |
| 18:11.11 | Charles_Bot | (Keep in mind this is an analysis based solely on the balance of power, there are tons of other ways to look at the situation, this is not the only way) |
| 18:15.19 | Charles_Bot | It's important, though, that these forces aren't deterministic |
| 18:16.36 | Charles_Bot | Good statesmen can position themselves favorably within a system of alliances. Great statesmen are able to bend the balance of power to their will. Bad statesmen are rocked and swept away by the shifting tides. |
| 18:17.27 | Charles_Bot | dino82_: |
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| 18:19.53 | dino82_ | @charles: Yes? |
| 18:20.24 | dino82_ | Oh justread it :D |
| 18:24.40 | dino82_ | Clear for the reasons :D |
| 18:29.44 | dino82_ | So where would both Rambert and Alexandre fit in? |
| 18:30.30 | Charles_Bot | In terms of the balance of power? Or how they've attempted to steer their countries through it? |
| 18:31.26 | dino82_ | Both |
| 18:31.38 | dino82_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:StarBase33Large2.png newly revealed starbase alognthe Gorge! |
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| 18:37.51 | OluapPlayer | Monet: I'm seeing a pretty big difficulty spike between WotLK dungeons and Cata dungeons |
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| 18:41.34 | OluapPlayer | My last dungeon was so embarrassing I couldn't play anymore |
| 18:41.43 | OluapPlayer | I'm surprised I wasn't kicked out of the group |
| 18:42.38 | Charles_Bot | This is a bit of a landmine of a question given that it touches upon issues of relative power and policies based on that rather than alignment, character, or story requirements. Before wading in, I should preface that I don't pretend to speak for any fiction that isn't my own or what they will or will not do. That's something which is beyond both my power |
| 18:42.38 | Charles_Bot | (according to the rules of the wiki) and my ability (as a political scientist) to predict. I can explain the structures and pressures which states face, and what actions they'll be incentivized towards. What I cannot predict is how they will react to those pressures and whether they will listen to them at all. |
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| 18:45.43 | Charles_Murray | This has to do generally with how international relations theory works as a science and the tools available to me |
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| 18:47.42 | Xho | OluapPlayer: git gud dwarf |
| 18:48.25 | Charles_Murray | dino82_ But in any case, here I go |
| 18:48.45 | Xho | Charles_Murray: Run by me what the colour coding on the Readiness on the French Empire's page is about |
| 18:49.38 | Charles_Murray | Xho : dark green - has already surpassed this level of militarization green - is at this level of militarization dark red - has not achieved this level of militarization |
| 18:50.08 | Charles_Murray | You can think of it as a slider which can be moved to the left or the right depending on the French Empire's policies |
| 18:50.31 | Xho | What about the War Tolerance |
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| 18:53.15 | Charles_Murray | War tolerance refers to how prepared the nation is to engage in military ventures of varying scope. For example, right now the French people are prepared to use public funds, lives, etc, in the context of limited military interventions, but are not prepared to go to war in a limited or total sense |
| 18:54.26 | Charles_Murray | So public support for external military ventures depending on how threatened a population feels, how necessary they think outward projections of power are, the narratives constructed around those uses of force, etc |
| 18:56.11 | Xho | rite |
| 18:56.20 | Charles_Murray | This can turn on a dime depending on events. As an example, the US was from 1939 to 1941 in the "NO ENTANGLEMENTS" zone. The minute Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, the American people were ready for total war. |
| 18:58.12 | Charles_Murray | Xho : overall, this whole "military readiness" chart is meant to depict how weaponized the state is. The more you move to the right, the more every aspect of the society, bureaucracy, the state, the economy, is turned toward the waging of war, and the more unnecessary bits are pruned off |
| 18:58.27 | Xho | right |
| 18:58.44 | Charles_Murray | And the more militarized a state is, the more the quality of life of its civilian population decreases, and the more its economy suffers in the long run |
| 18:58.44 | Xho | Judging by that then the Kicath are not actually that ready for total war |
| 19:00.34 | Xho | Then again they are essentially demilitarised as their overall military size is exceptionally small |
| 19:01.14 | Charles_Murray | (Though is that because they have a small population?) |
| 19:01.30 | Xho | In comparison to other Gigaquadrantic hyperpowers yes |
| 19:01.43 | Xho | Their populace is about 1.6 quadrillion |
| 19:02.04 | Xho | Their military size is 0.000022% of their total population |
| 19:02.21 | Charles_Murray | That's about as much as the French Empire in the early 2810's actually |
| 19:02.55 | Charles_Murray | Or wait no |
| 19:03.07 | Charles_Murray | That's exactly as much as the totality of the French Republic in 2802 |
| 19:03.42 | Xho | One would dread to see the Kicath with a 2.5 quintillion population |
| 19:04.29 | Charles_Murray | I thought 2,327,362,910,025,670 was 2.3 quadrillion? |
| 19:04.40 | Xho | hm lemme see |
| 19:04.52 | Xho | 2.327 quintillion |
| 19:05.05 | Charles_Murray | Ugh |
| 19:05.19 | OluapPlayer | five ,s |
| 19:05.20 | Xho | 0,000,000,000,000 is quadrillion |
| 19:05.36 | Charles_Murray | Are you sure? Because I asked this question a couple months ago and I was told to change it from quintillion to quadrillion because I got the numbers wrong |
| 19:05.47 | Xho | definitely quintillion |
| 19:05.58 | Charles_Murray | Alright, time to rework the entire spreadsheet |
| 19:06.06 | OluapPlayer | No hold on |
| 19:06.10 | OluapPlayer | That's quadrillion |
| 19:06.13 | Xho | eh |
| 19:06.18 | Xho | hm |
| 19:06.21 | OluapPlayer | quadrillion, trillion, billion, million, thousand, hundred |
| 19:06.42 | Xho | Ah |
| 19:06.45 | Xho | I forgot about trillion |
| 19:06.50 | Xho | Right yeah quadrillion |
| 19:07.03 | DrodoEmpire | French administration confuses quadrillion and quintillion |
| 19:07.09 | Xho | Brain is not on today |
| 19:07.09 | DrodoEmpire | That is now IC canon <.< |
| 19:07.15 | Charles_Murray | GOD DAMNIT |
| 19:07.16 | OluapPlayer | Five commas = quadrillion |
| 19:07.34 | Charles_Murray | I just reworked the entire spreadsheet and now you're telling me I was correct?! |
| 19:07.42 | DrodoEmpire | Ew using commas in numbers |
| 19:07.44 | Xho | How did you rework it in 2 minuets |
| 19:07.46 | Xho | minutes |
| 19:07.51 | OluapPlayer | [undo] |
| 19:07.52 | Charles_Murray | It is well built |
| 19:07.53 | OluapPlayer | Solved |
| 19:08.26 | Charles_Murray | I only had to change one column because all of the other years are based on yearly growth rates I have in another table |
| 19:08.39 | Xho | Gimme a break I had a hangover this morning |
| 19:08.40 | Hachiman | >taking fiction this seriously |
| 19:08.55 | Charles_Murray | http://imgur.com/a/ac0kg |
| 19:09.06 | OluapPlayer | >not taking fiction this seriously |
| 19:09.10 | OluapPlayer | get a load of this guy cam |
| 19:09.11 | Xho | >jesus christ |
| 19:09.57 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: Time for you to work on Indoctrinate Collective economics |
| 19:10.11 | Charles_Murray | I also have a whole separate page for GDP |
| 19:10.16 | Charles_Murray | But nobody actually has to do this |
| 19:10.19 | Charles_Murray | I just do it for fun |
| 19:10.20 | OluapPlayer | they sell thingies and buy other thingies |
| 19:10.23 | Xho | Too much mathematics for me to handle |
| 19:10.29 | OluapPlayer | sometimes thingies get stolen and they shoot the people responsible |
| 19:10.30 | OluapPlayer | done |
| 19:10.34 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 19:11.04 | Xho | OluapPlayer: And somehow the Dracs and Kicath are not bros |
| 19:11.55 | Charles_Murray | DrodoEmpire actually it's the Kicath who confused quadrillion and quintillion |
| 19:11.57 | Charles_Murray | And the French are right |
| 19:12.01 | OluapPlayer | They're not because you're incapable of positive emotions |
| 19:12.04 | Charles_Murray | Sorry I'll stop |
| 19:12.42 | Charles_Murray | dino82_ Sorry, got distracted from your question |
| 19:12.46 | Xho | Kicath - no need to be happy when you can destroy planets |
| 19:13.25 | OluapPlayer | Drac - terrible people |
| 19:14.07 | Xho | inb4 Kicath berate the Dracs on their extinction policy although the Kicath also do it |
| 19:14.47 | OluapPlayer | Thing is the Dracs almost never extinct anyone |
| 19:15.06 | OluapPlayer | The declaration against the Loron during Da Reckoning was probably the first in several thousand years |
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| 19:15.15 | Xho | Kicath - terrible for not going through with it :v |
| 19:15.32 | OluapPlayer | Drac - terrible for wasting resources why destroy when u can take for urself |
| 19:15.48 | Charles_Murray | Alexandre at his best has been able to move heaven and earth in order to upset and solidify a favorable balance of power, mostly in the period from 2803 to 2807. At his worst, he's (and France more broadly) have been nestled comfortably in the balance of power he created in Xonexi which > |
| 19:15.49 | Xho | Kicath - it's not about resources it's about sending a message |
| 19:16.01 | OluapPlayer | Drac - message is "no dick here" |
| 19:16.13 | Xho | Kicath - |> |
| 19:17.36 | Charles_Murray | grants France great freedom of action, favorable alliances, great institutionalized power, and favorable trends in terms of economic growth, sutainable power, etc. In other words, France doesn't have to do much in order to gain in power, and after having exerted a HUGE amount of energy setting up their system and the balance of power, they only have to expend a small amount of energy to maintain it. |
| 19:18.07 | Xho | Krath - this type of shit is why we throw rocks at the pool that is ur existence |
| 19:18.09 | Charles_Murray | I can explain elements of that in more detail if you have questions, but that's the broad overview |
| 19:24.30 | Charles_Murray | Rambert, since he's taken the throne, inherited a Rambo Nation which had spent a long time at peace and enjoying quiet but favorable relations with nearly everyone in the Gigaquadrant. Somehow, it managed to maintain as allies the CyraRep, the CyraEmp, the Draconis, the TIAF, etc, and to use them all to lessen the burdens of maintaining its galactic infrastructure while it recovered |
| 19:26.14 | Charles_Murray | As a result, Rambo Nation was very well positioned as a middle power which could go between coalitions and camps with fluidity and get them to essentially fight for influence and favor over it |
| 19:27.28 | Charles_Murray | Through the ambiguity of where it stood, it could get the Draconis, the TIAF, and the Republic to help it and give it favors, while not leaning so much in their direction that the Empire would punish it. |
| 19:28.11 | Xho | This is exactly why the Kicath don't tend to interfere politically |
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| 19:28.23 | Charles_Murray | Xho Hm? |
| 19:28.38 | Xho | Then again they're the Gigaquadrant's Switzerland, with 100% extra psycho |
| 19:28.53 | Charles_Murray | What's the reason? |
| 19:29.46 | Xho | That transcends economic and political reasoning really |
| 19:31.16 | Xho | Although they are in economic and political partnerships they often refrain from taking a strong stance on something primarily because they do not see themselves as a force of peace or good |
| 19:31.39 | Xho | Psychologically speaking as a race the Kicath are far removed from a human, or most of the Xonexi Cluster for that matter |
| 19:32.09 | Xho | Their political structures are ultimately utilitarian to a ruthless degree, or as it would be viewed to the outside |
| 19:33.36 | Xho | However they are in multiple Gigaquadrantic partnerships on the basis that Gigaquadrantic security is something of importance to them |
| 19:34.11 | Monet | So while they're Switzerland, they're quite distant from gigaquadrantic state of affairs aside form security |
| 19:34.19 | Xho | Pretty much |
| 19:34.24 | Xho | So as the Gigaquadrant starts to bend and break under its own weight the Kicath will do little to intervene until a declaration of war is made |
| 19:36.12 | Xho | Their policy is basically some clunky version of non-interventionism |
| 19:39.22 | Charles_Murray | That makes sense |
| 19:41.31 | Charles_Murray | dino82_ So Ramashe actually rode the balance of power pretty well despite the difficult position she was in. Rambert has been a little less successful. He took command of a Rambo Nation ready to reassert itself and to develop the forces necessary for galactic leadership, but in his every policy and attempt to reassert Rambo supremacy, he's been multiplying the number of rivals he needs to keep at bay and thinning the numbe |
| 19:46.00 | Charles_Murray | In particular, he attempted to force a change in the balance of power when he tried to leverage the significant overlap between French and Rambo allies, certain that the French would find themselves isolated and scrambling for a compromise in order to keep their alliances |
| 19:46.10 | Charles_Murray | That backfired when it was the Rambo who found themselves isolated |
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| 20:17.40 | Imperios | Xho: https://2ch.hk/po/src/18983749/14777512378500.webm |
| 20:18.31 | Xho | Santorakh in a nutshell |
| 20:39.52 | dino82_ | thanks for clarifying that view :D |
| 20:39.54 | dino82_ | Have to go! |
| 20:39.57 | dino82_ | See ya |
| 20:55.53 | Hachi_Away | In short; not enough hot space babes and supernatural thriller action |
| 20:55.56 | Hachi_Away | Or fight sequences |
| 20:56.23 | Xho | indeed |
| 21:22.26 | Xho | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a7/Kitoruka2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20161029212148 Kitoruka now as a swirling mass of doom |
| 21:23.19 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://cs7066.vk.me/c635104/v635104449/69d9/Rp6CbqBTYOk.jpg |
| 21:23.39 | Hachiman | animoo |
| 21:23.51 | Hachiman | Xho: Swirling mass of doom vaguely in the shape of an asshole |
| 21:24.03 | Xho | Kitoruka - ur goin on the list |
| 21:24.17 | Xho | Imperios: "Island wind" |
| 21:24.18 | Xho | wut |
| 21:36.41 | OluapPlayer | Monet: Okay now I ended the Drakuru questline |
| 21:36.44 | OluapPlayer | That was satisfying |
| 21:36.52 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire Charles_Bot: >In a free market monopolies can't exist |
| 21:36.56 | Imperios | "In a free market monopolies can't exist" |
| 21:36.58 | Imperios | #Americans |
| 21:37.25 | Charles_Bot | Depends on how you define a free market |
| 21:39.40 | OluapPlayer | aaaa another Unborn Val'kyr |
| 21:39.45 | OluapPlayer | Fucking cockteasing game |
| 21:40.02 | Imperios | Teeny tiny valkyrie |
| 21:40.19 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: It's the second one I find but my pets all suck |
| 21:40.28 | OluapPlayer | Can't fight it |
| 21:55.48 | Monet | Charles_Bot: Imp dun like the Russian Oligarchs. |
| 21:58.36 | Imperios | Charles_Bot: THis statement is *technically* true but does not work as an argument |
| 21:58.43 | Imperios | A free market does not have monopolies by definition |
| 21:58.59 | The_Randomness | [citation needed] |
| 21:59.19 | Imperios | Monopolies make the market unfree |
| 21:59.23 | Imperios | I'm not finished hear me out |
| 21:59.49 | Imperios | But, using the definition proposed by the person who stated this (he essentially stands for laissez-faire and all that), free markets are not protected from monopolies, I think that's pretty obvious |
| 21:59.55 | DrodoEmpire | I'll just say this- Every market needs some degree of regulation |
| 22:00.12 | Imperios | ^ This |
| 22:00.30 | Imperios | People are stupid when they say every movement towards regulation is COMMUNISM |
| 22:00.32 | Imperios | MUH FREEDUHMS |
| 22:00.37 | DrodoEmpire | But it should be the minimum of what's necessary to avoid monopolies and products that do not carry out their intended purpose/are outright dangerous to the user |
| 22:00.59 | DrodoEmpire | So, yes, muh freedom Imperios. :p |
| 22:01.20 | Imperios | In this case, muh freedom to not protect muh freedom |
| 22:02.01 | Imperios | The minimum is kind of shifting, and people are ALWAYS using arguments that THIS particular regulation is the line beyond which lies a socialist hell |
| 22:02.22 | Imperios | Hell, businessmen used to argue that banning child labour infringes on free market |
| 22:02.45 | DrodoEmpire | The minimum isn't shifting at all, what're you talking about? |
| 22:02.57 | DrodoEmpire | The only time it "shifts" is when a completely new product enters the market |
| 22:03.10 | DrodoEmpire | In which case reasonable regulation should be drafted for it of course |
| 22:03.14 | Imperios | Consider how many regulations we have regardng, say, ecology |
| 22:03.36 | Imperios | These weren't always tehre |
| 22:03.43 | DrodoEmpire | No shit |
| 22:03.52 | DrodoEmpire | What is your point? |
| 22:04.03 | Imperios | And, yes, people used to argue back in the day that these regulations infringed upon the free market |
| 22:04.23 | DrodoEmpire | All I'm saying is that regulation should be pretty minimal, enough to protect the consumer |
| 22:04.33 | DrodoEmpire | I don't care for you making all this a relative thing when it really isn't |
| 22:04.55 | Monet | Imperios point is a minimum isn't static. |
| 22:05.12 | DrodoEmpire | I know |
| 22:05.16 | Imperios | Times change, and though your point makes sense |
| 22:05.22 | DrodoEmpire | I... know... |
| 22:05.35 | DrodoEmpire | Nothing you've said has really invalidated my point if that's what you intended to do |
| 22:05.37 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 22:05.52 | Imperios | "This will infringe upon our freedom" or "This will turn our country communist" is not a valid argument most of the time |
| 22:05.59 | Imperios | I agree with you |
| 22:06.09 | Imperios | I do not indtend to invalidate your point, don't try to make this a fight |
| 22:06.15 | Imperios | I'm just adding points to your point |
| 22:06.19 | DrodoEmpire | Well I couldn't tell, sorry |
| 22:06.35 | DrodoEmpire | Regulation should be the minimum of what's necessary to protect consumers- what the minimum is *might* change with time as new stuff comes in to the market |
| 22:07.05 | Imperios | New stuff does not have to be economic though |
| 22:07.22 | DrodoEmpire | Right, ecological concerns too |
| 22:08.09 | DrodoEmpire | If scientists find out a thing we're using in manufacturing is harming the environment a lot then I'd agree that an alternative should be sought out and used instead |
| 22:08.13 | DrodoEmpire | As an example |
| 22:08.28 | DrodoEmpire | And for its use to be legally mandated if at all practical |
| 22:08.31 | Imperios | C, the social factor is also relevant |
| 22:09.11 | DrodoEmpire | I'm a huge advocate for private enterprise and capitalism, so I see issues with both over and underregulation |
| 22:09.28 | DrodoEmpire | Ironically both suit the needs of large corporations, if in different ways |
| 22:09.45 | DrodoEmpire | No regulations at all make the exploitation of workers and the environment easy |
| 22:11.04 | DrodoEmpire | Too much regulation often screws small businesses over as there is no way they can afford the legal consultation to ensure they are following all the insane amount of regulation the "should" be, lest they get hit with huge fines that can put them out of business easily |
| 22:11.28 | DrodoEmpire | Large corporations can both afford the lawyers and fines |
| 22:26.03 | The_Randomness | DrodoEmpire: very well put |
| 22:26.11 | The_Randomness | *however long later* |
| 22:26.15 | DrodoEmpire | Ah, thanks |
| 22:26.16 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
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| 23:49.06 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 23:49.23 | Hachiman | Hello |
| 23:55.14 | Tybusen | I've been trying to come up with a personality for a new character but I'm not sure what direction to go |
| 23:58.57 | Hachiman | Bancho |
| 23:59.16 | Hachiman | And have their weapons be power fists |
| 23:59.21 | Hachiman | Or power gauntlets |
| 23:59.58 | Tybusen | Well I mean I already designed the character but I still need to decide on a personality |
