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| 00:25.36 | DrodoEmpire | a y y http://imgur.com/gallery/DcAIY l m a o |
| 00:25.59 | The_Randomness | lol |
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| 09:36.22 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HKLBp3fZ5zA A movie about the Holodomor |
| 09:36.29 | ImpyDroid | Not sure how to feel about it |
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| 14:14.46 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 14:15.05 | Wormydroid | Hachiman https://m.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/59uj6f/disgruntled_employee_posted_nms_mistake_tweet/ |
| 14:17.51 | Wormydroid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:22.27 | The_Randomness | Hello |
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| 14:26.23 | Hachiman | Eugh Forbes shit |
| 14:27.15 | The_Randomness | ? |
| 14:28.26 | Hachiman | http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2016/10/28/that-mysterious-deleted-no-mans-sky-tweet-wasnt-a-hack/#347f81ba35ef More NMS news |
| 14:30.05 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: http://i.imgur.com/NW48lU2.jpg REVOLVER |
| 14:40.58 | OluapPlayer | Monet: Think I'm gonna try getting me a sharkface drake next, apparently it doesn't take too long |
| 14:42.43 | OluapPlayer | I'm just 5 mounts away from getting the albino drake |
| 14:43.47 | Monet | Cool |
| 14:44.15 | OluapPlayer | Do you have a nether drake? |
| 14:47.09 | Monet | I don't. Couldn't quite bring myself to do the dailies back when I was in Outland. |
| 14:48.05 | OluapPlayer | Right. If you had I was gonna ask how long it took you |
| 14:48.25 | OluapPlayer | From a guide I read, if you take the time to find netherwing eggs around the map it takes around 4 days |
| 14:48.39 | OluapPlayer | Purely doing dailies would take 2 weeks |
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| 15:54.10 | Imperios | Monet Charles_Murray: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKLBp3fZ5zA So Canadians are making a movie about the Holodomor |
| 15:54.18 | Imperios | (The famine in Ukraine that is |
| 16:20.40 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://2ch.hk/po/src/18970059/14776662437040.jpg keksimus maximus |
| 16:21.16 | Hachiman | Looking at that makes me feel both amused and angry |
| 16:22.06 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.31 | Charles_Murray | Ehh, it's not that big a deal, at least not as big as they're making it out to be |
| 16:24.16 | Monet | That's true |
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| 16:24.30 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 16:24.31 | Charles_Murray | I'm registered for the draft, which essentially means "if ever we're in such a desperate situation that we need a draft, you're already on the list and we can proceed in an orderly fashion" |
| 16:24.32 | Imperios | No but the reaction is kind of hilarious |
| 16:24.36 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 16:24.46 | Imperios | Draft won't happen pprobably |
| 16:25.10 | Monet | Not in this current time of relative peace. |
| 16:25.30 | dino82_ | lol |
| 16:25.39 | Charles_Murray | Probably not, US forces really need professionals for the tasks they're currently undertaking |
| 16:25.51 | Charles_Murray | They can't afford noobs |
| 16:26.38 | Charles_Murray | Wait |
| 16:26.57 | Charles_Murray | If you are able to draft women, does that double your manpower? |
| 16:27.18 | Monet | Empirically, yes. |
| 16:27.49 | Hachiman | No because they're not equal to men |
| 16:27.54 | Hachiman | ;^) |
| 16:27.55 | Imperios | ^ that |
| 16:28.01 | Imperios | Although |
| 16:28.03 | The_Randomness | hachi pls |
| 16:28.06 | Imperios | Put them in, say, air forces |
| 16:28.10 | Imperios | Or as snipers |
| 16:28.14 | Imperios | There they're equal |
| 16:28.17 | Hachiman | In seriousness |
| 16:28.22 | Imperios | We had a lot of female aces for example |
| 16:28.27 | Hachiman | Female ground soldiers are a thing |
| 16:28.32 | Hachiman | And they're just as good as men |
| 16:28.32 | Imperios | Well yeah of course |
| 16:29.13 | Imperios | But thing is |
| 16:29.22 | Imperios | Someone has to work in factories while soldiers are off duty |
| 16:29.29 | Imperios | And historically women usually took that role |
| 16:29.39 | Imperios | So... actually drafting women would cause even more problems |
| 16:29.44 | Charles_Murray | Right, under conscription/total mobilization |
| 16:29.49 | Imperios | Of course |
| 16:29.54 | Charles_Murray | But a draft is not total war |
| 16:30.03 | Imperios | Of course |
| 16:30.32 | Imperios | To put in context: /pol/acks and other provocateurs have been spreading pamphlets like this https://2ch.hk/po/src/18970059/14776718334191.jpg |
| 16:30.34 | Charles_Murray | But you're right, you can only take that to a certain point |
| 16:31.08 | Imperios | https://2ch.hk/po/src/18970059/14776714710780.jpg |
| 16:31.43 | Charles_Murray | That last one is obviously fake, bad photoshop skills |
| 16:32.16 | Imperios | This is the work of provocateurs |
| 16:32.17 | Imperios | That's why |
| 16:33.40 | Imperios | Does not mean it's not hilarious |
| 16:34.37 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: https://2ch.hk/po/src/18970059/14776696074241.jpg |
| 16:36.35 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv3VC35UEAAR2nb.jpg Holy shit this one's brilliant |
| 16:37.07 | The_Randomness | lmao |
| 16:37.10 | The_Randomness | that's one spicy shitpost |
| 16:37.13 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: https://www.buzzfeed.com/tylerbrandon/hillary-clinton-wants-to-get-more-women-in-the-mil-2nrn5?utm_term=.whxmGNNQq Also, holy shit, some people took it seriously |
| 16:39.25 | Monet | Well |
| 16:39.28 | Monet | It is Buzzfeed |
| 16:39.33 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 16:41.30 | Imperios | Monet: https://2ch.hk/po/src/18970059/14776727558930.webm |
| 16:41.32 | Charles_Murray | Welcome to how alternate realities are produced |
| 16:42.10 | Charles_Murray | And is one of the reasons as to why it seems like supporters of one candidate or other aren't able to agree on even basic facts |
| 16:42.12 | Charles_Murray | :P |
| 16:42.20 | Charles_Murray | But yeah, this is hilarious |
| 16:42.25 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 16:43.58 | The_Randomness | Charles_Murray: yeah, something maddening about discussing politics with people sometimes is that perceptions tend to matter more than what's actually true a lot of the time |
| 16:46.52 | Charles_Murray | Would it be okay if French Mirus could receive a massive influx of immigrants from various troubled regions of the Gigaquadrant from 2806 to now? It's an economic and industrial dynamo which is going to be heating up as France reverts back to a civilian economy and sells off a lot of its wartime industry to private hands |
| 16:47.46 | Imperios | Gotta ask each region |
| 16:47.55 | Charles_Murray | Aye, hence why I'm asking :P |
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| 16:48.54 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 16:48.59 | Wormy_ | Hi |
| 16:49.21 | Imperios | Well which regions are you talking about |
| 16:51.01 | Wormy_ | Donald Trump's Weird Old Videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ZLAT7BY_s |
| 16:51.45 | Charles_Murray | Well, Andromeda could be a good source given the shattering, the Great Xonexian Schism, the Third House War, the Clan Wars, the collapse of the Brood of War, the New Dawn insurgency, and so on |
| 16:55.08 | Imperios | >New Dawn Insurgency |
| 16:55.09 | Imperios | As in? |
| 16:56.12 | Charles_Murray | The democratic movement |
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| 17:01.34 | Imperios | Nah, these guys aren't fighting ATM |
| 17:02.07 | Charles_Murray | They were, if I remember correctly |
| 17:02.14 | Charles_Murray | But yeah, I might be wrong on that |
| 17:02.18 | Imperios | They are but only the radical parts |
| 17:02.23 | Imperios | Overall I'd say Andromeda is more or less peaceful ATM - all great conflicts have been largely contained, and whoever might have left probably already has |
| 17:04.13 | Charles_Murray | ^ Right, I'm talking about the 2806 period on, which is ten years in the past |
| 17:05.14 | Charles_Murray | 2806 is the year the GXS ends, and is then followed by French and UGA humanitarian missions and initiatives through 2809, when the Third House War ends |
| 17:06.18 | Imperios | Right |
| 17:06.40 | Imperios | Right, post- GXS ma-aybe |
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| 17:07.19 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:07.22 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm |
| 17:07.23 | Imperios | But I wonder why would Mirus be a good place for emigration |
| 17:07.28 | Imperios | It's kind of... you know... far away |
| 17:07.49 | DrodoEmpire | Just interjecting here- but as I see it the Grand Duchy (Drodo Andromedan colony) didn't get involved in this much at all >.< |
| 17:07.53 | Imperios | Some might emigrate but probably not too many to facilitate a significant population growth |
| 17:08.01 | DrodoEmpire | Might they be a beacon of security to immigrate to? |
| 17:08.07 | Imperios | ^ These guys too |
| 17:08.29 | DrodoEmpire | They're wealthy and secure, if people don't mind being ruled by aristocrats |
| 17:09.04 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : I wonder why America would be a good place for emigration, it's kind of... you know... far away |
| 17:09.09 | DrodoEmpire | (luckily serfdom as it were is nonexistant, and the aristocrats don't have free reign- there're still rights and whatnot of course >.<) |
| 17:09.35 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah to be fair people are willing to make the journey if it means a better and secure life |
| 17:09.45 | DrodoEmpire | Push and pull factors and whatnot :p |
| 17:09.49 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: THere's a well-explored route from America to Europe and vice versa |
| 17:09.51 | Charles_Murray | Economic opportunity, tons and tons of jobs, an accepting and open culture, lots of cheap land, the promise of ownership and individual liberty |
| 17:09.52 | Imperios | Several |
| 17:10.11 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : There's a well-explored route from Andromeda to Mirus too, the French built it |
| 17:10.14 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 17:10.19 | Charles_Murray | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/c2/Networks_of_communication_and_transportation.png/revision/latest?cb=20160905014851 |
| 17:10.37 | DrodoEmpire | Of any nation in the gigaquadrant it'd be the French to obsessively map out every conceivable route to and from Mirus >.< |
| 17:10.43 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 17:11.15 | Charles_Murray | And there's going to be a dizziying amount of traffic to and from French Mirus given its economic activity, so transport there isn't going to be much of a problem |
| 17:11.18 | Imperios | Yeah but I'm thinking of why French Mirus IN PARTICULAR is a good place to migrate to |
| 17:11.21 | Imperios | ACTUALLY wait I have an idea |
| 17:11.51 | Charles_Murray | "Economic opportunity, tons and tons of jobs, an accepting and open culture, lots of cheap land, the promise of ownership and individual liberty" |
| 17:12.20 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 17:12.26 | DrodoEmpire | Push factors- war and poverty |
| 17:12.34 | DrodoEmpire | Pull factors- everything Charles noted |
| 17:12.40 | DrodoEmpire | Plus well-mapped out routes to getting there |
| 17:12.46 | DrodoEmpire | Is it sinking in yet Impy? >.< |
| 17:12.51 | Wormy_ | Tek0616: http://imgur.com/gallery/8ygLD0H |
| 17:14.21 | Wormy_ | Ghelae, The_Randomness: http://imgur.com/gallery/1wJWL |
| 17:14.32 | Imperios | Right, just saying, there can be other places in the Gig that can do |
| 17:14.37 | Imperios | Why Mirus in particular |
| 17:15.01 | Charles_Murray | As I mentioned, it's got tons and tons of easy economic growth to accomplish due to the fact that it's a huge tract of land with lots of infrastructure left over from (1) the Drakodominatus (French Mirus used to be their core territory), and (2) France's war economy |
| 17:15.02 | Imperios | Open and accepting culture, lots of cheap land, the promise of ownership and individual liberty - say, the ATR has this |
| 17:15.06 | Imperios | For example |
| 17:15.12 | Ghelae | slaps Wormy_ with a dead crow |
| 17:15.12 | Imperios | Now that's interesting |
| 17:15.17 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: lol |
| 17:15.30 | Charles_Murray | Well the ATR is more of a slow-going post-scarcity economy |
| 17:15.35 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 17:15.40 | Imperios | Guys |
| 17:15.41 | Imperios | Guys |
| 17:15.46 | Imperios | There's no need for you both to support each other |
| 17:16.00 | DrodoEmpire | ...What the fuck does thatmean? |
| 17:16.07 | DrodoEmpire | Am I not allowed to be part of this discussion? |
| 17:16.26 | Imperios | I do not like that kind of dynamic where one person speaks and the other parrots and supports whatever he says with more emotional language |
| 17:16.27 | DrodoEmpire | I think Charles is right, sorry |
| 17:16.30 | Imperios | IT feels kind of suppressing |
| 17:16.41 | DrodoEmpire | I don't care, ignore it then |
| 17:16.44 | Imperios | Not suppressing |
| 17:16.49 | Imperios | But... pushy I'd say |
| 17:16.55 | DrodoEmpire | Don't tell me not to contribute to a discussion I want to be a part of |
| 17:17.24 | Imperios | I do not tell you, I just say I'd prefer not to |
| 17:17.28 | Imperios | Would you kindly |
| 17:17.51 | DrodoEmpire | And I refuse |
| 17:17.55 | Imperios | Alrightio |
| 17:17.56 | Charles_Murray | Guys |
| 17:18.02 | DrodoEmpire | Don't ever tell me to shut up again |
| 17:18.12 | Charles_Murray | Impy and I can just continue the discussion in private chat, sorry this got heated |
| 17:18.13 | Imperios | Where did I tell you to shut up? |
| 17:18.22 | DrodoEmpire | You did it politely, but you pretty much did |
| 17:18.25 | DrodoEmpire | Now go on |
| 17:19.40 | Wormy_ | Well if its posted publicly, you can't expect people to not join in. But maybe people that do should think about how they jump into the discussion, and perhaps maybe with a change of tone. |
| 17:20.12 | Imperios | I do not like people parroting other people with more emotional language, that's it |
| 17:20.19 | Imperios | It leads to problems |
| 17:20.24 | DrodoEmpire | All I did was offer an alternative location and happen to agree with Charles' point, which weren't emotional |
| 17:20.36 | DrodoEmpire | There was no problem until you decided to tell me to be quiet |
| 17:20.38 | Imperios | >Is it sinking in yet Impy? >.< |
| 17:20.42 | Imperios | That was kind of emotion |
| 17:20.43 | DrodoEmpire | Then I got pissed off |
| 17:20.49 | Imperios | But alright sorry if I was rude |
| 17:20.51 | DrodoEmpire | I was joking, sorry it offended you |
| 17:21.00 | DrodoEmpire | You were, and I accept your apology |
| 17:21.02 | Charles_Murray | You can go to the ATR for an easy life if you can get citizenship, residency (if there's room), and such. That's true. But there's a big difference between an developed and established economy (let alone a post-scarcity one) and one that is -just- getting off the ground and experiencing profound growth and disturbance |
| 17:21.12 | DrodoEmpire | We good? |
| 17:21.38 | DrodoEmpire | *I was joking, sorry if I offended you rather |
| 17:21.46 | Imperios | Aight |
| 17:21.51 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 17:21.52 | Imperios | We're good ya ^^ |
| 17:21.58 | DrodoEmpire | Good good |
| 17:22.03 | Charles_Murray | It's the difference between working inside a structure and a system that others built, and getting to build the structure yourself, solidly integrating yourself and your ideas into the foundation in the process. |
| 17:22.06 | Wormy_ | This is probably a better way to set aside problems like this |
| 17:22.12 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Actually with the ATR, for some reason I think of a Saudi Arabia-ish situation |
| 17:22.18 | Imperios | Or more accurately UAE-ish situation |
| 17:22.25 | Imperios | *an UAE-ish |
| 17:22.35 | Monet | I suppose one pull factor French Mirus has that the ATR might not is room for opportunity - The ATR may be big and offer lots of opportunities, but it's already extremely well developed. Which means its crowded. |
| 17:22.43 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 17:22.55 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : How do you mean? |
| 17:22.58 | DrodoEmpire | Mirus might be more a 'land of opportunity' yeah |
| 17:23.38 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Getting proper citizenship is HARD and you'll probably conduct whatever business you may want there without actually being one |
| 17:23.43 | DrodoEmpire | SImilar to the American west in the 19th century or Canada until like the sixties or so :p |
| 17:23.43 | Monet | There's more room to grow in French Mirus. |
| 17:25.06 | Charles_Murray | At the moment it is a big open space with tons of room to grow, but once it settles down and consolidates, it's likely going to lose that and become more developed |
| 17:26.59 | Wormy_ | Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/r64bHdf.gif |
| 17:27.01 | Monet | I'm thinking the Draconid Imperium of Mirus could be doing similar. |
| 17:27.37 | Monet | The Imperium's plan since claiming the Dominatus territories there was to develop them into a thriving part of their empire. |
| 17:27.40 | Charles_Murray | French Mirus for context: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File%3AMap_of_the_Modern_Former_Dominatus_Territories.png |
| 17:28.40 | Imperios | Wormy_: Codex Astartes names this maneuver steel rain |
| 17:29.30 | Wormy_ | Is that what they bombard a planet with before going full EXTERMINATUS? |
| 17:30.00 | Imperios | No, that's a drop pod |
| 17:30.05 | Imperios | There are Space Marines in this |
| 17:30.18 | Wormy_ | oh right, those things |
| 17:35.03 | Wormy_ | where spangebob takes a dip http://imgur.com/gallery/WG8xnZK |
| 17:36.42 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: BTW we just came up with a cool idea about French Mirus |
| 17:36.54 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
| 17:37.21 | Imperios | Spodist Artharons |
| 17:37.23 | Imperios | Holycats |
| 17:37.34 | DrodoEmpire | Huh cool |
| 17:39.13 | DrodoEmpire | Actually I have sorta wondered about the presence of Spodism in the Drodo Empire |
| 17:40.02 | DrodoEmpire | I know most Drodo are animists/ancestor worshippers, with minorities in other Drodo religions as well as a small Catholic minority |
| 17:40.10 | DrodoEmpire | But oddly never discussed Spodism |
| 17:43.41 | Charles_Murray | burn them |
| 17:43.50 | DrodoEmpire | olol |
| 17:44.07 | Charles_Murray | discussion over |
| 17:44.11 | Imperios | No, burning is a monotheistic thing, sacrifice them to the ancestors |
| 17:44.15 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 17:44.28 | Imperios | BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD |
| 17:44.31 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 17:44.33 | Imperios | SKULLS FOR THE SKULLS THRONE |
| 17:44.34 | Charles_Murray | burn them |
| 17:44.39 | Charles_Murray | where are my keys |
| 17:44.50 | Imperios | Holy shit Khornate Drodo |
| 17:44.54 | Imperios | Make that a thing |
| 17:45.01 | DrodoEmpire | Already did <.< |
| 17:45.03 | DrodoEmpire | The Chalag |
| 17:45.26 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AChalag_Khanate |
| 17:45.39 | Imperios | Mongols are not Khornate tho |
| 17:45.43 | Imperios | Make VIKING Drodo |
| 17:45.46 | DrodoEmpire | Ohh |
| 17:45.51 | DrodoEmpire | I read that as Khanate |
| 17:45.52 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 17:46.16 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, they sorta exist too, as the Bellowese ethnicity are based loosely around the Celts/Ancient Germans |
| 17:46.22 | dino82_ | @Nice maps of Mirus, interessting... |
| 17:46.24 | Imperios | As in berserker-ish kind of guys |
| 17:46.36 | Imperios | https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7424/8724933935_dde6fe603c_b.jpg These lovely chaps |
| 17:47.17 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, I've given thought to writing more about the Bellowese (alongside other Drodo cultures)- I know that they do sorta use/used berserkers |
| 17:47.39 | Imperios | Also I just realised |
| 17:47.41 | Imperios | Chalag Khanate flag |
| 17:47.48 | Imperios | Has a Tinder logo at its center |
| 17:47.59 | Imperios | *the Tinder logo |
| 17:48.07 | Charles_Murray | dino82_ Oh? Thanks! |
| 17:48.34 | DrodoEmpire | Basically, in clan wars its not uncommon to see men in makeshift power armour carrying big two-handed vibroswords with a shotgun as backup |
| 17:48.34 | dino82_ | :d |
| 17:48.47 | DrodoEmpire | More like sci-fi gallowglasses than berserkers but still |
| 17:49.21 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: blame Charles <.< |
| 17:49.36 | Charles_Murray | >.< That's not the tinder logo |
| 17:49.39 | Charles_Murray | That's a flame |
| 17:49.43 | Imperios | The tinder logo is a flame |
| 17:49.46 | Charles_Murray | dino82_ as I mentioned France is pretty powerful in Mirus |
| 17:50.00 | DrodoEmpire | Many things are flames Impy <.< |
| 17:50.00 | Charles_Murray | It created this: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ACovenant_of_Mirus |
| 17:50.14 | DrodoEmpire | If a house is burning down is the house stealing the Tinder logo? >.> |
| 17:50.15 | dino82_ | smaller than in Milky Way/Quadrants and Andromeda? |
| 17:50.22 | Imperios | Yeah but the colour scheme and the shape of the flame |
| 17:50.29 | Charles_Murray | dino82_ Much, much bigger |
| 17:50.45 | Imperios | Pastel flame in a white circle |
| 17:50.46 | dino82_ | so Mirus is acctually their powerhouse and strong hold? |
| 17:51.58 | Tek0516 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1477666041-20161028.png |
| 17:52.20 | DrodoEmpire | I really really love Black Ops 1's zombies mode <.< |
| 17:52.30 | DrodoEmpire | And the fact that all four of the characters are insensitive stereotypes |
| 17:53.01 | Charles_Murray | I'm not sure about stronghold (depends on what you mean by that), but it's definitely the French Empire's industrial powerhouse. The French Mirusian territory used to be the core of the Drakodominatus Tyranny (a fiction which almost conquered the Gigaquadrant), and France has been working for the past twenty years to transform the > |
| 17:53.21 | DrodoEmpire | COnstantly angry, macho US marine, schizophrenic Nazi scientist, alcoholic Russian soldier, and IJA officer obsessed with "HONAAA" |
| 17:55.11 | Charles_Murray | territory's old post-scarcity's massive industrial power toward capitalist production. One way to look at the French Empire is as a huge network, with its extremities providing raw materials to French Mirus, French Andromeda providing its food, water, and advanced machinery, and the French metropole providing it with capital, technology, research, knowledge, etc |
| 17:55.28 | Charles_Murray | All feeding into this massive and growing industrial powerhouse |
| 17:55.40 | Charles_Murray | If France loses French Mirus, it ceases to be a hyperpower |
| 17:58.33 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://nhsreality.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/6f022-welshdragon3jpg.jpg I google for "Welsh" and I find this |
| 17:58.33 | Charles_Murray | dino82_ I hope that helps? :D |
| 17:59.05 | Hachiman | Imperios: Only thing missing is the sheep that's raping her in the ass |
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| 17:59.25 | Hachiman | Or the sheep she's fucking with her futa dragon cock |
| 17:59.25 | Imperios | Yes needs more sheep |
| 17:59.32 | Imperios | That seems more logical |
| 18:00.34 | dino82_ | Yup, that helps! Thanks for clarifying |
| 18:01.46 | OluapPlayer | nani |
| 18:04.45 | Monet | Charles_Murray: That kind of description is what I like about the FE. |
| 18:05.08 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: How is Cata going? |
| 18:05.19 | OluapPlayer | I'm not doing Cata yet |
| 18:05.20 | Monet | It's a visible network. Much more intricate a system than an arbitrarily large number of colonised planets. |
| 18:05.44 | OluapPlayer | I came back to BC to do heroic dungeons, now I'm thinking of farming for a nether drake |
| 18:05.58 | dino82_ | though interessting to see that if Mirus falls away the France would have lost their most influential side |
| 18:06.18 | Charles_Bot | It imports like crazy from everyone, I should note, and sees no weakness and doing that. It's actually a strength in their eyes |
| 18:06.46 | Charles_Bot | It's when there isn't enough of one thing being produced that they go out and try and get it for themselves |
| 18:13.51 | Charles_Bot | dino82_ It's less that French Mirus is more influential, it's that it is an irreplaceable component of the French Empire's network. It contributes so much to the French economy overall that its loss and reorientation would be catastrophic for the remaining components of the Empire, as they are all dependent on each other. On top of the loss of Mirus' tax |
| 18:13.51 | Charles_Bot | revenue, population, industrial capability, productive military facilities (a lot of France's shipyards, supercarrier facilities, military factories, etc are in Mirus), the entire Empire would no longer be viable |
| 18:14.20 | dino82_ | ok |
| 18:14.40 | Charles_Bot | It would need to find a new way of orienting its networks, or else crumble |
| 18:17.22 | dino82_ | probably heavily defended as well :D |
| 18:20.31 | Charles_Bot | Indeed, though only as much as is necessary in the current strategic situation. It is carefully trying to balance the necessities of security with the anxieties of Mirusian native states, keeping enough forces in Mirus to keep an attack from happening, but not so much that Mirusian native states think France is going to attack them and band together into a |
| 18:20.31 | Charles_Bot | coalition |
| 18:22.56 | Charles_Bot | In case you want to know more about the joint policies of the Alcanti Triad toward the Mirusian balance of power http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:213028#191 |
| 18:32.44 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 18:36.01 | Monet | I was playing Stellaris and there were two rather interestingly-named black holes in my home region |
| 18:36.11 | Monet | "Screaming Abyss" and "Heaven's Gate" |
| 18:36.29 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 18:36.45 | The_Randomness | interesting juxtaposition |
| 18:36.59 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 18:37.14 | Monet | They were also in opposite directions. |
| 18:37.59 | Monet | Screaming Abyss was to my galactic east while Heaven's Gate was to my galactic west. |
| 18:43.21 | Tek0516 | I'll probably play some Stellaris today. I'm getting into a difficult situation since my empire now borders THREE fallen empires, as well as the largest federation in the galaxy. |
| 19:07.00 | Imperios | Charles_Bot: Kind of wondering. What do American historians think about the Holodomor (and the famines in the USSR in general?) |
| 19:07.23 | Imperios | During Stalin's rule that is |
| 19:08.26 | Charles_Murray | It's going to depend on the historian, his methodology, background, professional aim, political aim, etc |
| 19:08.42 | Imperios | Do they consider them to be a result of faulty agricultural and economical planning, a conscious disregard for human life by the state, or a true act of genocide against the Ukrainian (and ONLY Ukrainian) people |
| 19:08.53 | Imperios | I mean, whate viewpoints are predominant? What have you heard? |
| 19:08.57 | Imperios | *what |
| 19:09.16 | Charles_Murray | Do you mean professional historians among themselves, or the popular view in general? |
| 19:11.17 | Imperios | Both I guess |
| 19:13.19 | Imperios | The popular view I imagine does not exist at all |
| 19:13.26 | Imperios | I doubt most Americans even know where Ukraine i |
| 19:13.27 | Imperios | s |
| 19:14.26 | Charles_Murray | The view among professional historians is going to vary widely, though unless you're talking about experts on Russia and Russian history and investigate these issues in depth, with nuance, and with attention to anachronisms, it's likely that they're going to go with popular assumptions about Stalin's "regime," which has to do with the cruelty of totalitarianism, communism, and forced industrialization, resulting in a cata |
| 19:15.28 | Charles_Murray | Though there's more of a consciousness that these mass famines and death existed, but I doubt that many have actually heard the word "Holdomor," or think about Ukraine specifically |
| 19:18.15 | Charles_Murray | So that's the more general, popular view which experts sometimes accidentally let creep into their analysis without realizing that they've reached the edge of their expertise and are now substituting subjective common sense and popular notions |
| 19:19.25 | Charles_Murray | As for professional historians, political scientists, etc, you'll find tons of different views given that academia is pretty diverse and has tons of people with different projects, goals, and worldviews all arguing endlessly with each other |
| 19:19.49 | Charles_Murray | (professional historians, etc, who specialize on this particular subject) |
| 19:20.17 | Charles_Murray | I hope that helps? |
| 19:27.57 | Imperios | Right |
| 19:28.04 | Imperios | That makes sense |
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| 19:42.29 | Monet | hi |
| 20:04.53 | DrodoEmpire | test] |
| 20:06.25 | NeonPanda | u pass |
| 20:06.42 | DrodoEmpire | yayy lmao |
| 20:10.02 | Monet | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv0BcWOWgAABoyu.jpg:large this appeared on my twitter feed |
| 20:11.14 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 20:12.12 | Hachiman | Oh wow |
| 20:12.45 | Imperios | FALSE GOD |
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| 20:26.03 | DrodoAway | I'll be gone for... probably the rest of the fucking day. |
| 20:26.13 | Monet | Awww |
| 20:28.00 | NeonPanda | the fucking in there makes me think there's something unpleasant going on |
| 20:29.12 | DrodoAway | A little unpleasant |
| 20:29.37 | DrodoAway | Mostly because it was totally unexpected and will piss away the rest of what was supposed to be a relaxing day |
| 20:30.15 | DrodoAway | Anyway enough whining >.< |
| 20:37.28 | NeonPanda | had a very good game of warhammer 40'000 a couple of days back; my opponent and I couldn't be bothered setting up a proper mission so we came up with something on the fly, attached a story to it and played it out |
| 20:37.47 | Hachiman | Nice |
| 20:38.05 | NeonPanda | really good fight, much punching of faces on either side, and it was refreshing not to have to play against one of the murderball lists that most people at the store play nowadays |
| 20:38.25 | Hachiman | Meanwhile I've been considering trying to get into MtG |
| 20:38.46 | Hachiman | It looks like a far more complicated but much more entertaining and fun Yu-Gi-Oh! hur |
| 20:39.14 | NeonPanda | play Duelyst instead, no money involved and we might be able to play together |
| 20:39.20 | Hachiman | Fair |
| 20:39.40 | NeonPanda | also it's a hybrid TCG/TBS which adds its own flavour |
| 20:40.12 | Hachiman | I mean it does look entertaining |
| 20:40.19 | Hachiman | And rather interesting |
| 20:44.47 | NeonPanda | I'll be completely honest I did bring it up purely because I play it XD |
| 20:58.33 | Hachiman | hur |
| 21:01.43 | NeonPanda | it is a seriously fun game though, and very easy to get a competitive deck together |
| 21:02.03 | Hachiman | I'll probably still suck |
| 21:02.23 | NeonPanda | give it a try anyway, see what you think |
| 21:03.27 | Hachiman | So, since it's F2P, what do you have to pay for? |
| 21:04.20 | NeonPanda | you *can* buy card packs but there's no point because gold acquisition is super easy, and you can buy keys to cosmetic crates, but all cosmetics can be crafted in the same way you craft cards |
| 21:04.54 | NeonPanda | if I sit down and play a solid hour or so I can often afford two packs a day depending on how many games I win |
| 21:06.08 | Hachiman | NeonPanda Monet: OluapCuntlord wants you both on Skype |
| 21:06.19 | NeonPanda | rite, let me transition to other computer |
| 21:08.21 | NeonPanda | I am on hte skypes |
| 21:08.24 | Monet | fine |
| 21:41.29 | Imperios | Monet Hachiman: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Divinarium Began updating the page |
| 21:51.07 | Monet | Nice |
| 21:51.21 | Monet | I like Iovera's opening statement |
| 21:52.38 | Monet | The sombre mood of the last opening paragraph is a nice touch |
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| 22:12.15 | Wormy_ | Found an American documentary about Britain made in WW2 (quite propagandish) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrH77D3fiuk |
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