IRC log for #sporewiki on 20161023

00:31.12DrodoEmpireHm, so I think the Barangin army will be based heavily along the Swedish Army of the Thirty Years' War
00:31.36DrodoEmpireSo extremely well-disciplined, well-lead, and versatile with some interesting choices in equipment
00:31.59DrodoEmpire(Swedish Musketeers, for example, carried Bardiches as well as their musket and sword)
00:32.16DrodoEmpire(And some soldiers even carried pistols as sidearms which was extremely rare)
01:24.08DrodoEmpiretest
01:28.55DrodoEmpireKhlodrhosi ships look to be galleys
01:29.03DrodoEmpireMakes sense I guess
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02:51.36KepimeisterHello again.
02:52.49KepimeisterWhen y'all are making your fictions, you use Spore: Galactic Adventures, correct?
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05:10.00KepimeisterI'm back everyone.
05:10.07KepimeisterWas my question answered?
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10:05.07Monethello
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10:18.44JepardiHi
10:19.02MonetHi
10:24.09TreebeardHello
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11:20.45dino82_hi
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11:22.19Monethi
11:23.22OluapPlayerHi
11:30.55TreebeardHello
11:38.28dino82_hi
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11:46.28HachimanHi
11:50.23dino82_hi
11:57.54Monethi
12:00.37dino82_@monet: the warp gate :d http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Interdimensional_Warp_Gate
12:00.58dino82_@Oluap: Got a new mission in Suramar for Legion, have to do a raid in the Nightmare Realm, never done a raid before :D
12:01.03dino82_in Legion
12:04.02Monetdino82: QUite a technological feat
12:06.55dino82_:D
12:07.28OluapPlayerdino82_: I never raided ever
12:12.25MonetTried a couple of pick-up raids the other day.
12:13.07MonetPuRs require two tanks, five healers and 18 DPSs - you can see the problem.
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12:18.46Wormy_hi
12:19.26Monethi
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12:20.52Wormy_Monet:  Mongol (*cough* Klingon) pop is badarse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2kZLOQBmD4
12:22.28MonetWow
12:22.34MonetThat's pretty hard.
12:23.42OluapPlayerMonet: What's the problem? Beyond people not being as coordinated as a real guild
12:24.07MonetIt's finding that many people in pickup.
12:24.27MonetIt might not be the case if you're lvl 110 though
12:25.26MonetI was in one queue for I think 15-20 minutes. and the only ones in the PuR roster were me and three other DPSs
12:26.19OluapPlayerAh
12:26.58OluapPlayerDoes Raid Finder give you all the raids in the game as an option or just some of them?
12:27.43MonetSome of them.
12:28.13OluapPlayerSucks, so you'll have to find people for the others manually
12:28.29MonetDepends on the item level but rather than a random raid (these things can take an hour or a few), you have to pick your raid beforehand
12:29.27Hachiman"174 Armed Inmates Murder Their Way Out Of Prison" "I call bullshit. Nobody has 174 arms"
12:32.00MonetLol
12:33.11MonetOluapPlayer: Back in the old days people would dedicate entire weekends to raid sessions. Unlike dungeons raid instances can be maintained for a few weeks.
12:33.32OluapPlayerI imagine they still do
12:34.05MonetSo anything you kill on Saturday will remain dead when you and your buddies pick up from where you all left off on Wednesday
12:39.23dino82_@Oluap: It is crazy so many peoplle in one instance, I often have severe lag
12:40.55MonetI've been in a full 40-man raid once. that was Naxxramas back in WotLK
12:41.24MonetDiscounting PVP in Alterac Valley and Wintergrasp.
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13:09.56TreebeardHello
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13:45.42HachimanImperios: Koldenweltian Amazonian elves
13:45.45HachimanAmazon*
13:46.08ImperiosYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS
13:53.36HachimanWonder where they could be located
13:53.39HachimanSunset Isles?
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14:06.48CyrannianHai guys
14:08.27Tek0516Hey Cyr
14:10.06Tek0516Ugh, I forgot how fun it is when my sister is home. >.<
14:14.07OluapPlayer~kick Cyrannian
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14:14.56TreebeardHello
14:19.14dino82_hi
14:36.47ImperiosHachiman: https://2ch.hk/po/src/18891876/14772333026700.jpg
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15:28.52DrodoEmpireHi everyone
15:29.22TreebeardHello
15:38.20dino82_hi
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15:45.02The_RandomnessHello
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16:02.40Cyrannianhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/11/AretenusStarDestroyer.png/revision/latest?cb=20161023160232 - Take a look
16:09.35OluapPlayerNice work
16:09.38OluapPlayernow rp pls
16:11.00Wormy_"Out of my way Rooster boy" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yasNCQwtIy4
16:11.39CyrannianTitanDUM
16:11.46CyrannianKeeps crashing
16:11.55OluapPlayerwew
16:11.57OluapPlayerLiterally just entered and it went down
16:15.01ImperiosCyrannian: It looks small
16:16.45CyrannianHaven't worked out how big it'll be, but it's big (used by the mirror Hegemony)
16:25.21MonetBig arrowhead
16:25.37HachimanWe should have a mirror universe of the Mirror Universe
16:26.33MonetWouldn't that just be the prime universe?
16:27.03ImperiosYes, exactly, a different universe that is exactlly like the Prime Universe
16:27.23ImperiosAnd it also has a mirror universe, which is just like prime Mirror Universe
16:27.32ImperiosAnd THAT also has a mirror universe
16:28.44MonetI can't really think of anything to say about the ship.
16:28.48Wormy_There would be finitely different but infinitely numbered other universes, "Other times are just special cases of other universes" --David Deutsch
16:30.29MonetOn another note I think I worked out why I've grown obsessed with economics: I. Love. Systems.
16:31.14OluapPlayernurd
16:31.22MonetNetworks, interactions, evolutions, dynamics, causes, effects, I love it!
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16:32.29XhoIM BACK FUKRS
16:32.34MonetHi
16:32.45MonetOluapPlayer: I am nerd and proud.
16:32.54OluapPlayerspu
16:33.01Xhou
16:33.17MonetDipping my foot into economics it's like the whole world suddenly makes fucking sense,
16:33.38ImperiosDrodoEmpire: https://pp.vk.me/c635104/v635104449/6767/joUzRvnqt2U.jpg
16:33.45Imperioshttps://pp.vk.me/c635104/v635104449/676e/FcBFW9Sk79k.jpg
16:33.45XhoHachiman Imperios OluapPlayer: eschaton pls
16:33.49Imperioshttps://pp.vk.me/c635104/v635104449/6775/GXG4TbkUlmc.jpg
16:33.49OluapPlayeryes
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16:45.37Quark8Hello.
16:50.00TreebeardHello
17:21.39NeonPandaMonet: 20% of the way to a yacht in GTAV
17:22.16MonetNice
17:23.28MonetIts an uphill battle for me
17:30.22Wormy_Monet:  I'm into systems as well, which is one thing that draws me into compsci.  I'm more interested in complexity and the emergence of high level causation, chaotic systems, self-organisation, and evolutionary concepts.  They exist in all fields of natural science but are no grand core theories of complexity, and many mysteries.  There's also philosophy involved in knowing such systems and whether they can be fitr into reduction
17:30.56Wormy_And there are paradigms of of simulating large-scale interactions like agent based modelling
17:32.29Wormy_I think in all sciences, human or natural like any model such systems should be taken with criticism rather than support though.  Often models of human actors can be oversimplified
17:33.14Wormy_Such as assuming human beings always act selfishly - such models informed everything from cold war tactics to consumism
17:36.17MonetYeah.
17:36.31Wormy_brb going on laptop
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17:40.39Wormy__hi
17:40.42MonetHi
17:41.18MonetI think it's the interrelations and the dynamic setups that I enjoy.
17:42.32Wormy__They are fascinating, like how small changes can cycle through the system and enlarge?
17:43.28MonetI think the nuances as well.
17:49.10Wormy__There are lots of things that intrigue me about complexity (well, I've come to learn is on one side of the same coin with simplicity), in the history of the universe - depending on your measure systems can jump both in complexity and universality
17:50.13MonetMany proposals of how the economy works are much more fascinating from the expert viewpoint. That wealth can be gained when most of a person's net worth is not sitting in a bank vault.
17:52.19MonetI like the dynamic dependency between two countries that buy and sell what the other wants and needs.
17:54.32MonetThere's a whole system of interrelated functions that add another layer to the global environmental balance.
17:56.06Wormy__Except for cyanobacteria,  it took life over 3 billion years to evolve multicellular complexity, and slightly longer to evolve sexual reproduction.  Before that it was much easier for DNA to be copied, and so it took much longer for organisms to diversify (although to this day, most life is simple)
17:58.37Wormy__But there was a geological context, the melting of the great glaciers that scoured the Earth's rocks filled the oceans with nutrients, and its thought that photosynthetic life rapidly grew and filled the early oceans with oxygen, which is needed to build more complex biology and develop collagen
18:00.10Wormy__And again, with the evolution of humans you have cultural evolution emerging, memes, ideas and their profound reach in helping us understand the world.  And of course mentality is a highly emergent feature
18:01.01Wormy__All these things do not exist at the lowest levels of reality, molecular, biological and cultural systems look very complex, but seem to involve simpler high level principles of causation
18:02.13Wormy__So I guess it is reductionist, but one has to admit multiple causal levels in order to predict and explain these phenomena
18:03.04MonetI quite enjoy how broadly Mazlowe's pyramid can be applied.
18:03.19MonetNot just with needs, but also social- and ecosystems.
18:05.46MonetThe higher you go, the more complex the level but the smaller that successive level is.
18:06.10Wormy__I'm intrigued by what (and again, it really depends on your measure of complexity) limits complex systems, it doesn't seem to be a conserved quality like energy or momentum.  Can it just keep increasing as long as there is a flow from low to high entropy?  And are there really high level laws of evolution, thought, culture and so-on?  Are things like evolution and computation fundamental components of the universe, as are fields
18:07.25MonetIt seems that to grow one layer, there needs to be a larger foundation.
18:08.14MonetNot always but in quite a few instances yes.
18:09.19MonetTake the number of low quality or transientally-significant works come and go for every masterpeice film, television show or work of art.
18:10.10MonetProbability, I guess, likes pyramids.
18:13.14Wormy__I think it can be both cases, some systems invert this.  Sexually reproducing life has more opportunities to explore the range of possible adaptions and niches than bacteria, they are more universal in that the compartively smaller set of regularities in their DNA control further reaching phenotypes
18:13.29Wormy__Yet they are far less numerous
18:14.46Wormy__Oother systems like a game of Go, the possibilities decrease towards end
18:17.20MonetBut for a game of Go, the possibilities decrease as the number of moves performed within the game increases.
18:17.37Wormy__yeah
18:20.10Wormy__There are many different types of system, don't think they can fit into any one framework
18:21.06ImperiosSo I just finished my probability theory homework
18:21.07ImperiosAnd I see THIS
18:21.17MonetLol!
18:23.36Wormy__Murray Gell-Mann On Emergence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONiWmzrmfuY
18:23.48Wormy__"You don't need something more to get something more!"
18:26.56MonetI guess an interest in interconnected systems chimes with an interest in comparing, contrasting and relating different things.
18:30.04Wormy__One thing that attracted me to geology was that it is a science with multiple converging fields, you have to use an understand of physics, chemistry, materials science and even biology.  A geological system can be modelled on all these systems
18:35.09Wormy__Some geophysicists think plate tectonics would have slowed dramatically ceased on Earth by now if it wasn't for clay and carbonate sediments lubricating the plates, so biology may be a factor there.
18:35.50Wormy__Of course, at the level of plate tectonics as an explanation it doesn't matter what the source of clay is
18:39.00Wormy__The roots of plants keep soils and help breakdown rocks into smaller constituents.  If there were no plants there would be no soils, river channels would cut sharper and so on
18:39.51Wormy__So there's context and multiple levels to consider as well, in any system
18:42.58Wormy__My first lecture at Leicester, the head tutor got us to look at this geological diagram with chemical and physical explanations, he asked us, "what was missing?"
18:46.36Tek0516So my Stellaris Empire just got severed in two when an enemy empire placed a frontier station on a major wormhole station. >.>
18:46.47Wormy__But of course, its all without purpose or toward some sympathetic law "You don't need something more to get something more" as Gell-Mann states
18:57.12NeonPandaTek: hate it when that happens
18:58.06NeonPandaI'm currently trying out an isolationist divine mandate but pushing tech significantly, basically using government as a way of controlling ethics divergence while I tech
19:06.18CyrannianTrying to find Gorf's png on the Sporepedia and it's full of filthy pretenders
19:07.10Tek0516NeonPanda: At least it happened literally as I was preparing for war with them
19:07.24NeonPandaalways good
19:09.06OluapPlayerYou could just get it from his page
19:12.35CyrannianThat's what I ended up doing, since I reinstalled Spore, it isn't downloading many creations for some reason
19:15.21OluapPlayerI don't think Gorf's current form is in Sporepedia
19:16.06CyrannianI found a Gorf that someone made in a farmer outfit
19:18.17OluapPlayerOl' McGorf had a farm
19:18.33OluapPlayerEe ay ee ay AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
19:19.01Xhotitanpaaaaaaaaaaa
19:19.09OluapPlayerfokin ded
19:19.37Xhovanguard killed it
19:19.42XhoI'm not liking this section so far
19:19.44XhoFeels forced
19:19.55XhoWell I am forcing myself
19:20.00OluapPlayerWe got put in a corner
19:20.17XhoVanguard - not high enough level for this raid boss                     git gud
19:20.37OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/9O8iuYV.mp4 Xacutus's final form
19:21.14XhoXacutus - fuk u all
19:21.17OluapPlayerAlso seems to be back up
19:36.42ImperiosWormy_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2kZLOQBmD4 Seen this?
19:36.47ImperiosShowed it to you yesterday
19:36.50ImperiosBut you did not respond
19:37.40HachimanImperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2kZLOQBmD4 Btw, Mongolion pop music
19:38.05ImperiosThat is the same video
19:38.20HachimanOh
19:38.21HachimanShit
19:39.14OluapPlayerwow
19:39.20OluapPlayerA+
19:46.53Tek0516NeonPanda: I think I just discovered my second leviathan of this game. Got strange stuff at a pulsar that will cause *something* in 30 years
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19:55.16LaptopPandahi all, I've been in the shower for the past hour so I've probably missed everything since my last comment
19:55.20Tek0516lol
19:55.29Tek0516Tek0516> NeonPanda: I think I just discovered my second leviathan of this game. Got strange stuff at a pulsar that will cause *something* in 30 years
19:55.41Tek0516ONly ping you missed. :P
19:55.45OluapPlayerXho: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/183/598/055.jpg
19:55.56LaptopPandaheh
19:55.58Xhoyup
19:56.46LaptopPandaI'm looking forward to the point in the future where two friends and I are playing a game where we're basically planning from the start to form a federation, and we're each playing into that goal
19:57.14LaptopPandaone of them's going super mercantile, one's going militaristic and I'm going scientific, between us we should be fine
19:57.59Xhofucking
19:58.09OluapPlayersgsdfg
19:58.13LaptopPandahttp://satwcomic.com/precautions how I'd run a bank
19:58.56Xhoinb4 Panda is actually european
20:01.54LaptopPandato be fair, like 3/4 of me is european
20:02.04LaptopPandanot counting the part that used to be european that turned into Australian
20:08.49ImperiosAnd other other quarter?
20:11.24Tek0516...somehow I was surprised that Pulsars in Stellaris have pulsing effects. XD
20:15.16LaptopPandaImperios: the other quarter is the Australian
20:15.36ImperiosAs in the original Australian settlers or Aboriginals?
20:15.42LaptopPandathe former
20:18.21LaptopPandamost of my ancestry is from the british isles, scandinavia and germany
20:18.35LaptopPandawell, technically speaking all of it is, but the above
20:20.49LaptopPandaactually wait, I was a generation off- it's more like 5/8ths Australian
20:21.32LaptopPandaif my great grandfather was scottish (as opposed to my great great grandfather) the 1/4 would be the case
20:25.42LaptopPandatl;dr it's complicated
20:31.59NeonPandaback on main PC
20:32.19NeonPandagonna try *shudders* pacifism in stellaris, namely an irenic empire
20:33.17NeonPandajust realised it might actually be smarter to stay on laptop, one minute
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20:34.00NeonPanda_there we go, now I can youtube, IRC and stellaris at the same time
21:16.12NeonPanda_Tek0516 I already regret pacifism
21:19.20MonetThe weak perish.
21:22.53Tek0516Lol
21:23.16Tek0516I'm doing... Xenophile/Militarist/Materialist I think
21:23.44Tek0516With that materialistcempire government
21:27.54NeonPanda_I'm seriously considering abandoning this playthrough already and playing hyper militant space bugs
21:35.55NeonPanda_I have done exactly that
21:37.03Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Law_of_Gods_and_Men lotsa new stoof
21:40.48XhoTechnically the whole Caligaduro arc has been going on for 3 and a half years
21:41.15XhoNow it's in its closing story
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21:42.15XhoOluapPlayer: Just saying that the Fantasyverse stories revolving around the Void has gone on for 3 and a half years
21:42.25OluapPlayer2long
21:42.32OluapPlayerbrb
21:43.06Xho13 stories
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21:43.54Jepardi_Hi
21:50.25OluapPlayerbok
21:52.43Xhozzzzzz
22:12.23Tek0516"In which Charle-Mane founds the Horsey Roman Empire" http://i.imgur.com/j5Zfish.jpg
22:16.06DrodoEmpireayy lmao
22:35.20Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannian_Cold_War/Part_IV:_Guardians_of_the_New_Republic - Take a look, the next major chapter of the Cold War
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22:58.07DrodoEmpireHi
23:00.49Liquid_InkHey Everyone
23:05.34OluapPlayerMonet: I'm exploring Kalimdor, stumbled into an aura filled with black dragonspawn and wondered why they were here, suddenly "New Location: Onyxia's Lair"
23:06.06MonetDustwallow Marsh?
23:07.25OluapPlayerYep
23:08.18MonetI have many fond memories of Theramore.
23:08.39MonetBack before it was a magic-saturated crater ofc.
23:09.50OluapPlayerI had no idea Onyxia lived right next to Theramore
23:10.10MonetI think the idea was no one did.
23:10.22OluapPlayerAlso maybe it's because I've not done quests but the city looks normal to me
23:10.48MonetProbably
23:10.58MonetI haven't been back since the mana bomb incident
23:12.17MonetActually IIRC it used to be less clean
23:12.32MonetThe road out of Theramore was shaded by marshland trees
23:12.45OluapPlayerAlso my next fossil treasure is gonna be a skeleton raptor
23:15.55OluapPlayerFossilized Hatchling
23:16.00OluapPlayerIt's gonna be a babby skeleton
23:16.40Monetcyoot

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