IRC log for #sporewiki on 20161020

`00:14.51`	`DrodoEmpire`	`test`
`00:17.16`	`OluapPlayer`	`ufail`
`00:17.52`	`DrodoEmpire`	`>:`
`00:20.36`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hm.`
`00:20.49`	`DrodoEmpire`	`So I got a new(ish) fictionverse idea in mind`
`00:23.17`	`OluapPlayer`	`Go ahead`
`00:26.15`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Basically, it'd involve the Silvan`
`00:26.49`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Which're the preindustrial natives that share the Drodo Colonial capital of New Aratacia with Drodo settlers`
`00:27.46`	`DrodoEmpire`	`The history of Drodo-Silvan relations can be summed up as "ugly" and "complicated", with more than one Silvan state looking for a leg up, be it in building a serious industrial economy, or trading in their bows and swords for guns, or both`
`00:29.08`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I'm thinking one state in particular would send one or several of its best intellectuals/experts, alongside an armed escort, on something of a Marco Polo-style exploration of the Gigaquadrant, in order to learn about and bring back new ideas and technologies and (hopefully) build relations`
`00:29.23`	`DrodoEmpire`	`And of course get in to tons and tons of trouble >.<`
`00:37.33`	`Monet`	`That sounds like it could worry Rambert`
`00:38.02`	`DrodoEmpire`	`How might it?`
`00:41.03`	`Monet`	`Well he already wants to quarantine the New Aratacian crisis.`
`00:41.25`	`Monet`	`How's he going to react when he hears the Silvan are escaping into space?`
`00:44.24`	`Monet`	`(for the record I'm enthusiastic. This possibility sounds like good drama to me)`
`00:48.02`	`The_Randomness`	`DrodoEmpire: I'm suddenly reminded of this one event that you can get in Stellaris if you're doing invasive research on the natives of a planet`
`00:48.31`	`The_Randomness`	`Basically, some irresponsible researchers ruin everything >_>`
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`00:59.41`	`Monet`	`The_Randomness: Isn't that the plot to Star Trek: Insurrection?`
`00:59.48`	`The_Randomness`	`heh`
`00:59.52`	`The_Randomness`	`a bit, yeah`
`01:12.42`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Oh shit`
`01:12.43`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Back`
`01:12.44`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Sorry`
`01:12.54`	`DrodoEmpire`	`But yeah >.<`
`01:13.32`	`DrodoEmpire`	`It'd be a handful of Silvan intellectuals using existing transportation channels- not a Silvan exploration fleet`
`01:15.28`	`Monet`	`I know`
`01:16.15`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Right, right`
`01:16.56`	`Monet`	`Rambert might still have a fit possibly`
`01:17.10`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yeah he could`
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`02:54.43`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hi`
`02:55.57`	`Worldcrafter`	`Hey`
`02:56.38`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hey-- new here?`
`02:57.36`	`Worldcrafter`	`I was actually on here a few months ago - name might be missing a number or something. :/`
`02:57.45`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ahh, right`
`02:57.54`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Well, welcome to the IRC channel at any rate`
`02:58.20`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Its far from peak hours, its usually a lot more active >.< I'm actually going to head off soon myself`
`02:59.47`	`Worldcrafter`	`Haha, it sucks living in this time zone when you want to talk with people online. :P`
`03:00.14`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ahh >.<`
`03:00.33`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yeah most users are from the UK or the Americas`
`03:00.45`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I myself am from Atlantic Canada, so it could be worse`
`03:00.54`	`The_Randomness`	`oh my`
`03:00.55`	`The_Randomness`	`fresh meat`
`03:00.59`	`DrodoEmpire`	`???`
`03:01.02`	`Worldcrafter`	`Eep.`
`03:01.10`	`Worldcrafter`	`0.0`
`03:01.13`	`The_Randomness`	`welcome`
`03:01.15`	`The_Randomness`	`I'm a thing`
`03:01.44`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yes yes >.<`
`03:02.27`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Anyhow, have you got any plans for the fiction universe? Or are you more here to edit games pages?`
`03:02.32`	`DrodoEmpire`	`*game pages`
`03:02.36`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Just curious`
`03:10.54`	`Worldcrafter`	`Well, I'm writing up a new species. They're inspired by the PlanetSide series, with a smidgen of Orion's Arm and Warhammer 40k.`
`03:11.27`	`Worldcrafter`	`Can't decide whether to give them chemically-propelled projectile weapons, or plasma weapons, though.`
`03:11.52`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ah`
`03:12.10`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Well, my fiction anyway uses firearms`
`03:12.16`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I find them far more practical tbh`
`03:12.33`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Plasma weapons have no real basis in science-- not that we're very hard as far as SF goes`
`03:13.01`	`DrodoEmpire`	`So I'd be partial to that but its your decision`
`03:13.15`	`Worldcrafter`	`Exactly. Easy to use, easy to maintain. Plus, my species makes liberal use of nanotech, so ammo logistics is hardly a problem.`
`03:13.17`	`DrodoEmpire`	`(Well, I find them both practical and a lot cooler)`
`03:13.27`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ehh, nanotech is no magic wand`
`03:13.49`	`The_Randomness`	`^`
`03:14.01`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Bullets are cheap in general, and its easier to perfect a 19th century production method than use nanotech to make stuff in a cooler, slower, less energy-efficient way`
`03:14.02`	`Worldcrafter`	`I was just concerned about their usefulness in the far future of the 29th century.`
`03:14.24`	`DrodoEmpire`	`No need for concern- I can think of a bazillion ways firearms could be improved and how armour may stagnate`
`03:15.17`	`DrodoEmpire`	`The Drodo, for example, invest a lot in new propellants and also use magnetic rails in the muzzles of their military-grade weapons`
`03:15.41`	`DrodoEmpire`	`They also do a lot of tinkering with cartridges, in order to find the best dimensions and ballistic characteristics`
`03:15.54`	`Worldcrafter`	`I was also thinking of slapping them onto their ships too.`
`03:16.07`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Right.`
`03:18.08`	`DrodoEmpire`	`But yeah in terms of infantry weapons-- I don't see the assault rifle as we know it being deposed... ever`
`03:18.33`	`Worldcrafter`	`Guns come and go, but dakka never dies.`
`03:19.13`	`DrodoEmpire`	`A semiautomatic (with limited automatic capabilities), carbine-sized infantry long-arm that fires intermediate cartridges is basically the best all-round weapon we've got`
`03:19.38`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Battle-rifles are big and their rounds are too powerful for automatic fire-- but they make good DMRs`
`03:20.05`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Bolt actions have long since been relegated to specialist roles like snipers`
`03:20.25`	`DrodoEmpire`	`LMGs are waaaaay too heavy and bulky and expensive to equip your average trooper with`
`03:21.05`	`DrodoEmpire`	`And maybe I'm just unimaginative but I can't really think of some other paradigm-breaking weapon being made`
`03:21.24`	`DrodoEmpire`	`That changes infantry combat forever`
`03:21.36`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Or at least infantry armament`
`03:22.14`	`Worldcrafter`	`So, a question: how prevalent is consciousness transfer and bioprinting in the Fictionverse?`
`03:22.34`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Consciousness transfer... That's like uploading your mind and shit, right?`
`03:23.25`	`DrodoEmpire`	`In that case- no, not too prevalent much at all. Not many users are too concerned with hard SF and those that are... Well I'll be honest don't really like OA >.<`
`03:23.50`	`DrodoEmpire`	`That all being said, there's nothing at all stopping you from doing that-- always good to see different concepts and perspectives`
`03:23.55`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Just not my cup of tea personally`
`03:27.11`	`Worldcrafter`	`Neat, cause well, that's where the PlanetSide inspiration comes to mind; my species has married the technologies of uploading and nanobioprinting to create resurrection technology, or reztek. Basically, they can't stay dead.`
`03:27.29`	`Worldcrafter`	`There are still some limitations though.`
`03:27.38`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hmm, right`
`03:27.42`	`Worldcrafter`	`And bugs to iron out`
`03:27.44`	`DrodoEmpire`	`What'd those limitations be?`
`03:28.59`	`Worldcrafter`	`Well, you can't rez where you died: you gotta have a new body printed at a reztube, and they aren't exactly invulnerable.`
`03:29.52`	`Worldcrafter`	`And if you die too often in a short amount of time, you run the risk of getting resurrection trauma.`
`03:30.08`	`Worldcrafter`	`It's like PTSD, only far, far worse.`
`03:31.52`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Right`
`03:32.06`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I mean, yeah... This'd need some serious rebalancing`
`03:32.23`	`DrodoEmpire`	`As this sorta tech would have enormous, almost incalculable effects on every facet of society`
`03:33.11`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Population growth would skyrocket, inequality between classes could split in to a huge chasm between those who can afford this technology and those who can't, a veritable aristocracy could develop as a result and pretty much kill any concept of a republic`
`03:33.20`	`DrodoEmpire`	`(immortal rulers are, after all, hard to depose)`
`03:33.43`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Militias of mortals would easily be overrun by professional soldiers who have literally nothing to lose`
`03:34.21`	`DrodoEmpire`	`So unless literally everyone from the mortal underclass were to revolt all at once it'd mean rebellion's out of the question`
`03:34.51`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Just stuff to consider`
`03:36.14`	`Worldcrafter`	`That's why the tech was distributed to literally everyone.`
`03:36.20`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Impossible`
`03:36.37`	`Worldcrafter`	`Well, not instantly.`
`03:36.40`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hospitals have a hard enough time getting an adequate number of hospital beds, let alone vats`
`03:36.49`	`DrodoEmpire`	`You'd be playing a constant game of catchup`
`03:37.17`	`DrodoEmpire`	`The population would grow completely out of control, faster than you could ever build and distribute vats`
`03:38.08`	`DrodoEmpire`	`You can't underestimate this sorta thing >.< Look at how quickly world population skyrocketed when basic medical practices and treatment were introduced in a widespread fashion, for example`
`03:38.15`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Now we're talking about an immortal population`
`03:38.43`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Granted, you aren;t the only fiction with this idea and I'm just as sour to hear it from other, much older fictions >.<`
`03:39.09`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Charles Murray is someone I consider a friend, and I never really liked the idea of France having a biologically immortal population`
`03:39.32`	`DrodoEmpire`	`So I hope you don't feel like I'm picking on you`
`03:39.38`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Nor do I want you to just abandon the idea`
`03:39.57`	`DrodoEmpire`	`But really think about the implications and expense that'd go in to something like this`
`03:40.37`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Perhaps its something used by the military, or for important government officials with strict regulations around its usage? Just an idea`
`03:41.16`	`Worldcrafter`	`I suppose it requires context. A lot of context. Involving planetwide apocalypse.`
`03:41.29`	`The_Randomness`	`oh gosh, not the apocalypse`
`03:41.44`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Its not that overused of a trope Randomness, chill out :p`
`03:41.50`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Its not common here actually`
`03:41.56`	`The_Randomness`	`Actually yeah, you're right`
`03:42.17`	`DrodoEmpire`	`But all I'm saying is look at the big picture about stuff like Worldcrafter, and you should be fine`
`03:42.58`	`Worldcrafter`	`The kind of apocalypse that involves defective anti-aging therapies, crop-eating fungi, and rogue Von neumann miners`
`03:44.49`	`Worldcrafter`	`Which will be further elaborated on in the article itself.`
`03:45.19`	`The_Randomness`	`DrodoEmpire: I'm more worried about the stuff that comes with the whole apocalypse package, it's not quite as bad as transhumanism, but apocalypticism is a thing`
`03:46.00`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I don't think our friend Worldcrafter here has made the apocalypse in to an ideology :p`
`03:46.25`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Worldcrafter: Allright, I'm happy to help whenever`
`03:46.42`	`Worldcrafter`	`No, just a terrible event that gives rise to a new society ruled by a very smart upload.`
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`03:56.18`	`Worldcrafter`	`Bleh, sorry bout that. Computer bluescreened. X(`
`03:57.39`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Its alright`
`04:02.30`	`DrodoEmpire`	`https://i.gyazo.com/dd96656910c2f4879a77a9c49d6d0beb.png - iunderstoodthatreference.gif`
`04:04.06`	`DrodoEmpire`	`https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvFqMzgWEAEae9F.jpg`
`04:06.30`	`Tek0516`	`So apparently IRCCloud writes the words Comic Sans into the actual font`
`04:06.50`	`DrodoEmpire`	`wat`
`04:07.09`	`DrodoEmpire`	`https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvCR6V6XYAAkPil.jpg:large`
`04:07.15`	`Tek0516`	`"Comic Sans" gets written in Comic Sans on this IRC thing. :P`
`04:07.52`	`Tek0516`	`Ooh, Stellaris 1.3/Heinlein/Leviathans is getting released soon`
`04:08.07`	`Tek0516`	`As in today/tomorrow depending on where you are. :P`
`04:08.16`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Huh nice`
`04:10.02`	`DrodoEmpire`	`https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu8PuBuWYAAGgog.jpg:large`
`04:12.32`	`DrodoEmpire`	`https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu3VZMsWAAAgmcX.jpg:large *MARXISM INTENSIFIES*`
`04:13.28`	`The_Randomness`	`DrodoEmpire: lol`
`04:16.35`	`DrodoEmpire`	`https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuybxToWYAAnilP.jpg:large AYY LMAO`
`04:16.52`	`The_Randomness`	`D E U S V U L T`
`04:16.55`	`DrodoEmpire`	`^^^^^`
`04:18.11`	`DrodoEmpire`	`https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuxpqJ_WYAACuWl.jpg:large`
`04:18.56`	`The_Randomness`	`:P`
`04:18.58`	`The_Randomness`	`I actually still like that one`
`04:20.03`	`DrodoEmpire`	`hur`
`04:20.16`	`DrodoEmpire`	`https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cuu3DSSXgAENvqc.jpg ohhhh myy god`
`04:20.55`	`The_Randomness`	`I don't get the reference`
`04:21.07`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Star Wars Battlefront 2 reference`
`04:21.11`	`The_Randomness`	`ah`
`04:21.25`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Old old game, but arguably one of the best class-based team shooters ever`
`04:24.10`	`DrodoEmpire`	`https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cur5DizWIAA6C14.jpg:large`
`04:25.17`	`The_Randomness`	`Now I actually feel like I'm getting memed`
`04:25.54`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I'm blasting ass`
`04:26.05`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ethan style <.<\`
`04:26.19`	`DrodoEmpire`	`But now I gotta go`
`04:26.24`	`The_Randomness`	`you probably have the spiciest shitposts I've seen`
`04:26.26`	`The_Randomness`	`cya`
`04:26.37`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Bye ^.^`
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`07:34.04`	`Wormy_`	`hi`
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`08:27.55`	`Wormydroid`	`That's a lot of undiluted squash http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37710435`
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`08:56.49`	`Groxkiller98`	`Heya.`
`08:57.07`	`Groxkiller98`	`I just realised how cramped the Mithadorn population is. >_>`
`08:57.34`	`Groxkiller98`	`4428571428.57 per planet... Way too little space.`
`08:57.53`	`Groxkiller98`	`Well, on average.`
`08:59.08`	`Groxkiller98`	`four billion, four hundred and twenty-eight million, five hundred and seventy-one thousand, four hundred and twenty-eight citizens per world on average is too many...`
`08:59.38`	`Groxkiller98`	`Like... How little space is that?`
`09:00.39`	`Groxkiller98`	`I really calculated 15,500,000,000,000 / 3500... How did I not realize there wasn't enough space before. >_>`
`09:06.01`	`Groxkiller98`	`Wait... That's actually less than Earth's population three years ago... >_>`
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`12:44.18`	`ImpyDroid`	`Liquid_Ink: https://www.reddit.com/r/heraldry/comments/58ckax/arms_of_the_intermariumimperial_poland/ Look what I made`
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`12:47.18`	`ImpyDroid`	`AAAAAAH`
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`13:07.08`	`ImpyDroid`	`I just realised`
`13:07.25`	`ImpyDroid`	`We lack an evil human faction in the Fictionverse`
`13:07.36`	`ImpyDroid`	`Or at least a more antagonistic or unlikeable one`
`13:07.54`	`ImpyDroid`	`There is the EAC and Mashriq but nobody uses them`
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`13:12.08`	`Hachiman`	`Hi`
`13:12.41`	`Monet`	`Hi`
`13:13.12`	`Monet`	`ImpyDroid: Maybe the fictionverse needs a group of pro-human radicals`
`13:15.31`	`Hachiman`	`You mean France?`
`13:16.16`	`Monet`	`[14:07:13] <ImpyDroid> We lack an evil human faction in the Fictionverse`
`13:16.26`	`Monet`	`I'm talking human supremacists.`
`13:17.28`	`Hachiman`	`So`
`13:17.29`	`Hachiman`	`France`
`13:17.52`	`Monet`	`We get it, you hate how prevalent France has become.`
`13:18.54`	`Monet`	`It might work as Terrans in the fictionverse have been saddled with the stereotype that they're not ready for the universal community.`
`13:19.23`	`Monet`	`Irrational, unpredictable, immature, divided, warlike, take your pick.`
`13:20.23`	`Monet`	`So maybe there's a growing group who basically feel humans are the opposite.`
`13:21.42`	`Ghelae`	`Along with the EAC and Mashriq, there's also the Magellanic Reich. It seems that antagonistic human factions are exceptionally prone to inactivity.`
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`13:37.45`	`Monet`	`Purely antagonistic nations tend to get limited in how they can be used`
`13:42.31`	`Monet`	`I'll bbl`
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`14:05.59`	`Tek0516`	`https://youtu.be/f5uik5fgIaI Nintendo has announced its new console`
`14:12.34`	`OluapPlayer`	`So it really is a home/portable hybrid`
`14:13.23`	`OluapPlayer`	`>Skyrim in a Nintendo console`
`14:14.06`	`Tek0516`	`Yeah, It's what they've been indicating for a long time about it.`
`14:14.28`	`Tek0516`	`And I noticed the Skyrim as well`
`14:16.02`	`OluapPlayer`	`Well, that was interesting`
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`14:18.23`	`The_Randomness`	`Hello`
`14:26.51`	`Tek0516`	`Hello The_Randomness`
`14:27.37`	`ImpyDroid`	`Hachiman: France is more of an expansive colonial force`
`14:27.41`	`ImpyDroid`	`Basically Muhrica`
`14:27.48`	`ImpyDroid`	`We need space Nazis or space Commies`
`14:28.14`	`Hachiman`	`space cummies`
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`14:28.24`	`Monet`	`hi`
`14:28.31`	`ImpyDroid`	`DON'T YOU DARE INSULT THE IMMORTAL IDEAS OF COMMUNISM`
`14:28.36`	`ImpyDroid`	`Seriously though`
`14:28.47`	`Monet`	`What did I just walk in on?`
`14:29.15`	`ImpyDroid`	`I think we need a big human alliance that is not tied to one particular modern state like France is`
`14:29.28`	`ImpyDroid`	`But isn't just pan-human like the ATR`
`14:30.15`	`Monet`	`There was the Orion League`
`14:35.48`	`Technobliterator`	`OluapPlayer, I'm here for about an hour if you want to do Borealis War? Or we could wait until I'm free for longer`
`14:42.17`	`Hachiman`	`Oh boy`
`14:42.23`	`Hachiman`	`Skyrim Remastered for NX`
`14:42.34`	`Hachiman`	`Because Bethesda just fucking loves money and not even Nintendo can say no`
`14:43.14`	`Hachiman`	`Now I can experience boredom and repetitive models and voice acting in an empty world on this brand new, highly-anticipated console`
`14:43.40`	`Technobliterator`	`Switch looks fairly interesting, honestly`
`14:43.41`	`The_Randomness`	`z`
`14:50.48`	`Tek0516`	`Hachiman: It's not like Nintendo is just going to ban them from making a game on its console.`
`14:51.42`	`Monet`	`Sorry was too busy watching whales singing Beethoven's 9th Symphony as they fell on Los Santos traffic.`
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`14:52.51`	`Tek0516`	`https://youtu.be/f5uik5fgIaI For the recently joined who want context, the newly announced Nintendo console`
`14:53.29`	`Hachiman`	`I don't really know if Switch is gonna work`
`14:54.13`	`Hachiman`	`It looks less fluid than the actual NX console and doesn't seem to perform as well`
`15:20.51`	`Tek0516`	`http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1476972000-20161020.png`
`15:24.24`	`Hachiman`	`hur`
`15:26.13`	`OluapPlayer`	`What do you mean with "less fluid than the actual NX console"`
`15:26.17`	`OluapPlayer`	`Switch IS the NX`
`15:26.52`	`Hachiman`	`No I meant`
`15:27.15`	`Hachiman`	`Screw it hur`
`15:27.18`	`Hachiman`	`It's fine`
`15:27.44`	`OluapPlayer`	`u fukd up`
`15:28.27`	`Technobliterator`	`I think it looks like a great idea, my only concern is it'll have the same problem as other Nintendo consoles where it's not as powerful as the others and therefore lacks third party support`
`15:33.17`	`Technobliterator`	`OluapPlayer, are you free in a couple hours for Borealis War?`
`15:35.11`	`OluapPlayer`	`Yes`
`15:36.33`	`Technobliterator`	`\o/`
`16:29.09`	`Tek0516`	`Don't think I mentioned yet, but the new Stellaris update and DLC are out. :P`
`16:29.26`	`Hachiman`	`What does it include?`
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`16:35.01`	`Wormydroid`	`Hi`
`16:35.52`	`Monet`	`hi`
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`16:43.12`	`Tek0516`	`Hey Wormydroid`
`16:44.24`	`Wormydroid_`	`Hi`
`16:52.15`	`Hachiman`	`https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/14610914_1112765232105605_4754289781705143430_n.jpg?oh=40e7bbecbc46dad62386371686e4ecef&oe=589827AA`
`16:52.52`	`The_Randomness`	`Hachiman: oh man, I know someone who would love that sort of thing`
`16:53.01`	`The_Randomness`	`As well as a few that would hate it lol`
`16:56.18`	`Tek0516`	`Hachiman: The Stellaris update includes an overhaul of half the game; while the DLC is a "story pack" which includes special giant space creatures, Aliens in special trading bases, and a war between precursors.`
`16:58.39`	`Tek0516`	`Ugh, trying to download it but despite a decent download speed it's barely going because of 100kb/s disk usage. O.o`
`16:59.25`	`The_Randomness`	`:o`
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`17:00.53`	`Tek0516`	`Various Windows processes stopping me from playing Stellaris. >.>`
`17:17.09`	`Hachiman`	`"Many years ago, the world was black and white. Old photographs prove this."`
`17:18.15`	`OluapPlayer`	`cheeky`
`17:27.26`	`Tek0516`	`So the update also adds Klingons I guess. XD https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DOaEz8S5/20161020132616_1.jpg`
`17:27.50`	`Monet`	`lol`
`17:30.58`	`Tek0516`	`Also the GEICO mascot. :P https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/TCSI4Xoa/20161020133041_1.jpg`
`17:57.13`	`Hachiman`	`Fucking Klingons whay`
`17:57.15`	`Hachiman`	`what`
`17:58.41`	`Monet`	`Stellaris is a homage to classic science fiction`
`17:58.47`	`Monet`	`So rubber forehead aliens away!`
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`18:02.08`	`Wormydroid`	`Hi`
`18:06.53`	`Monet`	`WormyDroid: Jim'll paint it was wiped not too long ago, he was requested this https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14725691_755672284586378_1191220989264076917_n.jpg?oh=b187a41f990034d3604e385eba4d5f6d&oe=58A0AF85`
`18:07.47`	`Monet`	`I like how Zuckerberg is sitting in a chair made out of bundles of money.`
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`18:08.39`	`Wormydroid_`	`Hi`
`18:09.06`	`Monet`	`hi`
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`18:16.49`	`Wormydroid`	`Bee smart https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=577812755739825&id=10513336322&refid=52&__tn__=C ð ð`
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`18:20.54`	`Quark8`	`Hello.`
`18:23.29`	`Monet`	`hi`
`18:27.42`	`Wormydroid`	`Just watched half the cast of Emmerdale die in a massive pileup`
`18:27.56`	`Hachiman`	`Yo what`
`18:28.01`	`Hachiman`	`How are they dying?`
`18:28.06`	`Wormydroid`	`Omg itw still happening`
`18:29.14`	`Wormydroid`	`A mad woman who kept her husband captive pushed him off a bridge in the fog while coincidently loads of characters in cars crashed after he fell on top of a car being driven by a guy with dementia`
`18:29.47`	`Monet`	`I heard my neighbours screaming a moment ago`
`18:30.00`	`Wormydroid`	`Probably with laughter`
`18:30.28`	`Wormydroid`	`There was a like a 3 minute sequence of continuous crashing`
`18:30.37`	`Wormydroid`	`It got funny`
`18:33.01`	`Monet`	`I dunno, Listening to my Red Alert 2 album while painting`
`18:34.46`	`Technobliterator`	`OluapPlayer, I'm free now`
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`18:37.05`	`Monet`	`I bet that pile-up will be on Gogglebox on the weekend`
`18:37.23`	`Wormydroid_`	`https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=Emmerdale+`
`18:38.19`	`Wormydroid_`	`"Seven episodes of Castualty in one"`
`18:40.20`	`OluapPlayer`	`Technobliterator: get on the pad`
`18:44.06`	`Monet`	`Wormydroid: That crash is what happens whenever I try and block a road in GTA and no one sets off the waypoint that stops the traffic from coming.`
`18:47.57`	`Technobliterator`	`wow, it crashses literally as soon as we start`
`18:48.31`	`Monet`	`Also after reading up this idea that most authors without a second job don't make good money, I realised`
`18:48.37`	`OluapPlayer`	`Already`
`18:48.40`	`OluapPlayer`	`thanks pad`
`18:48.40`	`Monet`	`THE SIMS 4 LIED TO MEEEE`
`18:49.24`	`Monet`	`I have a sim who moved in to this big mansion because he was earning 5k from book royalties every day.`
`18:49.56`	`Monet`	`And his job required him to write every evening`
`18:50.35`	`OluapPlayer`	`He must have some god tier imagination`
`18:51.01`	`Monet`	`It depends`
`18:51.21`	`Monet`	`He made the most money with screenplays and fantasy iirc.`
`18:52.23`	`OluapPlayer`	`Imagine getting a wwriter's block with that career`
`18:52.32`	`Monet`	`I was reading about how writers deal with writer's block and I did get one interesting answer.`
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`18:52.45`	`Quark8`	`Hello.`
`18:53.18`	`Monet`	`"writer's block is when your subconscious has one idea but your conscious is saying "no no it HAS to be done this way""`
`18:53.59`	`Monet`	`While expert writers will be looking for inspiration 24-7. One claimed he has two t-shirts that say "you might be in my next book"`
`18:55.33`	`Monet`	`But I'll aggree this sim must have had almost god-tier creativity as whatever he published was either excellent or a bestseller.`
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`19:01.13`	`Quark8`	`Hey.`
`19:01.14`	`Monet`	`hello`
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`19:02.33`	`Wormydroid`	`Another crash in Emmerdale hur`
`19:05.05`	`Monet`	`https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-overcome-Writers-Block-3`
`19:06.02`	`Wormydroid`	`Kill everyone off`
`19:10.44`	`Monet`	`I got it the wrong way round`
`19:11.03`	`Monet`	`Writer's block is when your subconsious is in conflict with your conscious plan`
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`19:21.18`	`Monet`	`https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5a50c36f6c84579e29480bd4cba8b801-c?convert_to_webp=true`
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`19:39.06`	`Wormydroid`	`Hi`
`19:40.26`	`Wormydroid`	`Actually, I'll be back on my laptop`
`19:53.05`	`Monet`	`Had a fun moment just now`
`19:53.37`	`Monet`	`Two of my flatmates (both girls) spotted a woodlouse on the floor. They asked me to get rid of it, but when I complied one of them was insistent on crushing it with her phone.`
`19:55.30`	`Ghelae`	`She'd rather have dead woodlouse all over her phone?`
`19:55.54`	`DrodoAway`	`test`
`19:56.35`	`Monet`	`Ghelae: She covered it with a tissue before smashing it`
`19:56.50`	`DrodoEmpire`	`ewwwww woodlice`
`19:57.24`	`OluapPlayer`	`gross`
`19:57.27`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I only see them occasionally and they sorta freak me out >.< I don't know what I'm looking at the first time usually, because they're relatively rare here`
`19:57.32`	`OluapPlayer`	`Also this kills the phone`
`19:57.58`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Sometimes though I lift up an old tire and there's a whole bunch of them, prompting me to slam the fucker back down`
`19:58.02`	`Monet`	`Oh she didn't throw it`
`19:58.12`	`Monet`	`She crouched down and used the corner of it like a hammer`
`19:58.35`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Why would you not just use a small block of wood or something <.<`
`19:58.46`	`DrodoEmpire`	`That's a 400$ club she's using >.<`
`19:59.18`	`Monet`	`It was the closest thing she had on hand.`
`19:59.39`	`Monet`	`DrodoEmpire: One woodlouse doesn't do anything for me, but I know the feeling of seeing a colony.`
`19:59.45`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yeah`
`19:59.50`	`Monet`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:00.16`	`DrodoEmpire`	`The big thing around here during the summer are ants and earwigs`
`20:00.52`	`Hachiman`	`>killing woodlice`
`20:00.54`	`Hachiman`	`What a cunt`
`20:00.54`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Earwigs especially hide in really small, damp places- I saw like a dozen of them all stuffed in an empty hole where a bolt lock goes`
`20:01.01`	`Hachiman`	`Woodlice are the nicest things`
`20:01.27`	`Monet`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:01.27`	`Hachiman`	`They're like tiny, insectoid armadillos and they're cute`
`20:01.30`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I mean, they just sorta scare me the first time I see them in a while >.< I don't kill them`
`20:01.55`	`Hachiman`	`I hardly kill any bugs I encounter; usually I just let them do their business, I hate killing or handling dead things`
`20:02.02`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yeah same`
`20:02.08`	`Monet`	`I usually move them outside`
`20:02.34`	`DrodoEmpire`	`If there's a lot of flies buzzing about my house I'll crush a few with a swatter, but beyond that I'm not one to commit insectoid genocide :p`
`20:03.24`	`Monet`	`Flies are my only exception`
`20:03.45`	`Tek0516`	`...Well I just encountered my first Leviathan in Stellaris. Sent out a beam that heavily damaged my first corvette, followed by a volley that wiped out the entire fleet at once. O.O`
`20:03.51`	`Monet`	`If I spot a fly, it dies.`
`20:04.12`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Tek: o.O`
`20:04.31`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yeah flies are vile sacks of flying shit >.<`
`20:04.44`	`Tek0516`	`Just three early game corvettes, but it wiped them out with a single volley. O.O`
`20:06.08`	`Tek0516`	`The Ether Drake. Aka SPACE DRAGONS https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/YDRP4Jag/20161020160031_1.jpg`
`20:06.30`	`Monet`	`Bloody hell...`
`20:07.12`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I like how its just a skull icon instead of a power indicator`
`20:07.35`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Going all D&D on us- what you give stats, the player will eventually kill <.<`
`20:09.33`	`Hachiman`	`ayy`
`20:10.36`	`Tek0516`	`DrodoEmpire: Given the massacre my first encounter was, it can wait. O.O`
`20:10.44`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yeah... >.<`
`20:16.14`	`Hachiman`	`Imagine if a film company took up making a cinematic rendition of the Epic of Gilgamesh`
`20:16.36`	`Hachiman`	`Make it an action-oriented bromance story with some comedic elements`
`20:16.43`	`Monet`	`Peter Jackson - CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!`
`20:16.47`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I would love that`
`20:16.50`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hooooly shit`
`20:16.59`	`DrodoEmpire`	`But it'd have to be reasonably faithful to the mythology`
`20:17.03`	`Hachiman`	`Of course`
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`20:20.03`	`Monet`	`Evening`
`20:20.41`	`OluapPlayer`	`spu`
`20:22.19`	`Xho`	`Hi`
`20:22.24`	`Xho`	`I've finally figured out what my life is like`
`20:22.32`	`Xho`	`Has anyone seen the film Falling Down starring Michael Douglas`
`20:22.40`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Nope`
`20:23.44`	`OluapPlayer`	`nyet`
`20:25.01`	`Hachiman`	`non`
`20:25.28`	`Xho`	`Well`
`20:25.39`	`Xho`	`Basically it's Michael Douglas losing it because his mundane life sucks and goes on a violent rampage`
`20:27.10`	`OluapPlayer`	`I expected something like that`
`20:27.23`	`Xho`	`Well`
`20:27.27`	`Xho`	`violent rampage`
`20:28.09`	`DrodoEmpire`	`https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvOzzMLUkAAjAT9.jpg:large`
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`20:28.28`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hi`
`20:28.40`	`Worldcrafter`	`<Morning.`
`20:28.56`	`Xho`	`IT'S 21:28`
`20:29.21`	`Worldcrafter`	`Haha.`
`20:29.27`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yes and the world is round <.<`
`20:29.31`	`DrodoEmpire`	`So timezones`
`20:29.33`	`DrodoEmpire`	`>.>`
`20:29.49`	`OluapPlayer`	`http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Borealis_Galactic_War/Part_1 first two sections`
`20:30.12`	`Technobliterator`	`yes, absolutely check that`
`20:30.17`	`Technobliterator`	`Some of the most fun sections in a while`
`20:30.20`	`Xho`	`I'd read it but I'll be honest`
`20:30.23`	`Technobliterator`	`I am still hyped for the ones after`
`20:30.27`	`Xho`	`The Loron vernacular makes me lose concentration`
`20:30.51`	`Technobliterator`	`To be fair, this Loron section is deliberately silly`
`20:30.58`	`Technobliterator`	`it's comic relief after so many sections with serious stuff`
`20:31.20`	`Xho`	`"Xho: Ruining Your Child's Dreams And Hopes Since 2009"`
`20:32.11`	`Monet`	`Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VCDPwJDFVI might cheer you up`
`20:32.36`	`OluapPlayer`	`Summary: the Loron have been stuck in the Cold Relay for weeks forgetting the fact they had essence to fix their ship all along`
`20:33.22`	`Xho`	`OluapPlayer: 0/10 big hed no brain`
`20:33.33`	`Xho`	`Monet: Well, can't say it's not amusing`
`20:34.34`	`Xho`	`"what a time to be alive.ï»¿"`
`20:34.48`	`OluapPlayer`	`Xho: http://i.imgur.com/zeQgdm1.jpg`
`20:34.59`	`Xho`	`life`
`20:37.58`	`Worldcrafter`	`http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Alissari_Ecumene Mah first page. Still a work in progress. :P`
`20:39.22`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Cool cool,`
`20:39.28`	`DrodoEmpire`	`*I'll look later`
`21:03.09`	`Xho`	`OluapPlayer Technobliterator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV3_UHG73oQ Kolossus to Zargoth`
`21:03.25`	`OluapPlayer`	`hur`
`21:03.42`	`Technobliterator`	`hahaha]`
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`21:10.40`	`Wormy_`	`hi`
`21:11.30`	`The_Randomness`	`Hello`
`21:13.12`	`Xho`	`Monet: I just caught sight of that Kalcedia thing you did`
`21:13.14`	`Xho`	`egad man`
`21:14.12`	`Monet`	`ahh yes`
`21:16.01`	`Monet`	`I can't remember if it was a gif tor if Hachi suggested I draw her.`
`21:16.15`	`Monet`	`Oh it was a gift`
`21:50.57`	`Tek0516`	`Hegemonic Imperialists, Fanatic Purifiers and Evangelizing Zealots. Well f*** you too Stellaris, no allies for me I guess.`
`21:51.04`	`Tek0516`	`>.>`
`21:51.59`	`The_Randomness`	`rip`
`21:52.30`	`Worldcrafter`	`Ah, Stellaris: what Spore's Space Stage should have been.`
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`21:57.18`	`Tybusen`	`Hello`
`21:59.08`	`Monet`	`hello`
`21:59.27`	`Wormy_`	`The_Randomness, Technobliterator: What's the best and worst of Gary Jonson?`
`21:59.51`	`Technobliterator`	`well`
`22:00.31`	`The_Randomness`	`I don't know the most about him, but he is the American style of libertarianism, so his policy decisions are "interesting"`
`22:00.34`	`Technobliterator`	`Best: wants to end War on Drugs, is less interventionist/hawkish on foreign policy, strong proponent of personal and civil liberty, is much more consistent about being a fiscal conservative than most Republicans`
`22:00.39`	`Wormy_`	`Seems pretty sane to me https://www.johnsonweld.com/issues`
`22:01.00`	`The_Randomness`	`give me a sec`
`22:01.16`	`Technobliterator`	`Worst: has made several gaffes showcasing a lack of foreign policy understanding, has no effective way to combat climate change, and his economic policy basically involves weakening the welfare state a lot`
`22:01.30`	`Tybusen`	`I think he also supports TPP`
`22:01.42`	`Technobliterator`	`He does, but out of principle`
`22:01.45`	`Wormy_`	`Support of TPP surprises me`
`22:01.58`	`Technobliterator`	`He said also in an ideal world, there would be no free trade agreements, there would just be free trade`
`22:02.32`	`Technobliterator`	`He's less absolutist and hardcore of a libertarian than most, though, which is why he doesn't support removing borders like most do`
`22:05.33`	`Wormy_`	`A shame he wants to weaken welfare... If he was British I wouldn't vote him then to protect things like the NHS and benefits`
`22:06.40`	`Technobliterator`	`Hard to tell, Libertarians don't support removing universal healthcare. They just don't support implementing it in the first place.`
`22:07.07`	`Wormy_`	`Sounds like a slippery slope`
`22:07.10`	`Technobliterator`	`He doesn't want to cut Social Security or Medicaid, he just doesn't want to expand them, whereas most Libertarians call for outright removing them`
`22:07.21`	`Tybusen`	`The basis of American libertarianism is making government as small as possible and allowing free enterprise to reign`
`22:07.41`	`Technobliterator`	`So that free market solutions will get you better results than government will, indeed`
`22:07.57`	`Technobliterator`	`My issue is, it's extremely idealist and unlikely to work in practice`
`22:07.57`	`Wormy_`	`I have libertarian opinions on lots of things but welfare I bend more to social democracy`
`22:08.02`	`Monet`	`A welfare state is counter-intuitive to the desire for a small government.`
`22:08.04`	`Technobliterator`	`yeah, me too`
`22:08.23`	`Tybusen`	`Technobliterator: We've already seen what happens when we deregulate our economy, we get the corporate state we're in right now`
`22:08.28`	`Technobliterator`	`Exactly`
`22:08.46`	`Wormy_`	`Indeed`
`22:08.53`	`Monet`	`Its not enough for some it seems.`
`22:08.59`	`Technobliterator`	`It's like communism. It sounds like a fantastic idea, until you realise it just doesn't work.`
`22:09.01`	`Wormy_`	`Although I do not think it is what many libertarians actually want`
`22:09.28`	`Tybusen`	`I'm sure libertarians don't want a corporate state`
`22:09.31`	`Technobliterator`	`But what I respect about Libertarians like Gary Johnson and Ron Paul are that they believe this out of principle, as opposed to most Republicans who only spout rhetoric then do the opposite`
`22:09.43`	`Wormy_`	`Yeah`
`22:09.48`	`Tybusen`	`Yeah, I can respect Libertarians for having principles`
`22:09.52`	`Tybusen`	`Even if I don't agree with them`
`22:10.25`	`Wormy_`	`I even respect Conservatives out of that (although many don't always do so)`
`22:10.58`	`Wormy_`	`I am concerned with the liberal camp at the moment, you are either hard left or a bigot it seems at the moment.`
`22:11.43`	`Technobliterator`	`To some people, yes`
`22:11.50`	`Tybusen`	`As far as the US left goes, the left doesn't have a voice any more because the Democrats are center-right now`
`22:12.00`	`Wormy_`	`Of course, liberals on principle gain my most respect.`
`22:12.34`	`Tybusen`	`And center-right Democrats will accuse anyone who goes against them as being bigots or right-wing nuts because they happen to be the left-most major party in the US`
`22:12.40`	`Technobliterator`	`Labour are centre-right as well`
`22:13.06`	`Wormy_`	`To be honest, its pretty much been the same until Corbyn's rise. Labour, once a socialist and social democratic party then centre-right`
`22:13.11`	`Tybusen`	`The difference between US and UK is that the UK actually has a major party that is on the left, I think`
`22:13.19`	`Wormy_`	`The Lib Dems also went centre right`
`22:13.27`	`Technobliterator`	`Nope`
`22:13.31`	`Monet`	`The leftmost party these days are the Greens.`
`22:13.40`	`Technobliterator`	`Labour and Liberal Democrats are right of centre`
`22:14.14`	`Wormy_`	`We feel a lack of choice as much as you do`
`22:14.22`	`Technobliterator`	`The left wing party is the Green Party, which not only has zero chance of gaining any ground in commons, it has stupid policies such as deliberately favouring women in court`
`22:14.40`	`Monet`	`It disturbs me how tribal political parties are these days.`
`22:14.42`	`Tybusen`	`Ah I didn't know that`
`22:14.46`	`Wormy_`	`Tybusen: Here https://www.politicalcompass.org/images/enPartiesTime.gif`
`22:14.52`	`Xho`	`Right so politics`
`22:14.55`	`Xho`	`I'm gonna head off`
`22:15.04`	`Technobliterator`	`lol`
`22:15.08`	`Wormy_`	`It was Blair who I think transformed New Labour`
`22:15.28`	`Monet`	`he did`
`22:15.59`	`Technobliterator`	`Blair was a Red Tory and the fact he's still running free after invading a country illegally for oil is a joke, frankly`
`22:16.32`	`Technobliterator`	`Other than on one or two few issues such as improving the literacy rates dramatically, I have nothing but contempt for him`
`22:17.02`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Back`
`22:17.03`	`Wormy_`	`People like him sold power from politics to economic forces, so the West as a whole is gripped by neoliberalism`
`22:17.13`	`Monet`	`It's easy to blame the head for what the body does. I doubt Blair decided on his own to work with George Bush and invade Iraq.`
`22:18.15`	`Technobliterator`	`Of course, but it still makes him a spineless coward`
`22:18.25`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ew English politics`
`22:18.41`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I miss the good old days when everyone agreed the Magna Carta was a good idea and King John was a cunt`
`22:18.41`	`Technobliterator`	`That he could sit through the anti-war speech in Commons that I saw and still in good conscience start the war is ridiculous`
`22:18.48`	`DrodoEmpire`	`*and that`
`22:18.48`	`Technobliterator`	`Pffft`
`22:19.33`	`Monet`	`Charles discussed with you weeks ago that Iraq was for more than oil.`
`22:19.45`	`Technobliterator`	`And I disagreed with him completely`
`22:19.48`	`Technobliterator`	`It was for oil`
`22:20.20`	`Monet`	`You disagreed with a man who has probably a far more intimate knowledge of the history of American politics than you.`
`22:20.33`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Well don't appeal to his degree`
`22:20.44`	`DrodoEmpire`	`A degree's a piece of fucking paper`
`22:20.56`	`Monet`	`He still demonstrated the knowledge.`
`22:21.06`	`DrodoEmpire`	`That being said- yes, he probably does have done more research and definitely has more nuance`
`22:21.08`	`Technobliterator`	`I disagree that we should trust a government which lied about there being weapons of mass destruction when they say that they didn't profit from oil money`
`22:22.29`	`DrodoEmpire`	`All told I certainly would be surprised if oil was a primary motivator`
`22:22.37`	`DrodoEmpire`	`*wouldn't`
`22:22.41`	`DrodoEmpire`	`wouldn't be surprised`
`22:22.44`	`Monet`	`I can't remember if there were were chemical weapons in Iraq.`
`22:23.03`	`Worldcrafter`	`Well, goddamn, this place got real political real fast.`
`22:23.08`	`DrodoEmpire`	`It does sometime`
`22:23.20`	`Technobliterator`	`I believe it was the sole motivator and no one would admit it, and that Saddam Hussein was a convenient excuse`
`22:23.31`	`Wormy_`	`Even if there were other motivations, it doesn't disregard the criticism`
`22:23.32`	`DrodoEmpire`	`The discussion can be transferred to #sporewiki-offtopic if someone demands it`
`22:23.53`	`Wormy_`	`I'd happily go there if people want`
`22:23.59`	`Technobliterator`	`^`
`22:24.56`	`Wormy_`	`Technobliterator: You should see Hypernormalisation on BBC IPlayer if you haven't already`
`22:25.08`	`Technobliterator`	`I don't have access to iPlayer`
`22:25.17`	`Wormy_`	`Are you in the US now?#`
`22:25.20`	`Technobliterator`	`Nope`
`22:25.26`	`Technobliterator`	`I just don't have a license`
`22:25.33`	`Wormy_`	`Fair enough`
`22:25.54`	`Technobliterator`	`I am in the US next year, though`
`22:26.15`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Worldcrafter: reading your fiction now`
`22:26.19`	`Tybusen`	`Worldcrafter: I've taken a look at your fiction and you're really off to a good start`
`22:26.44`	`Worldcrafter`	`Hee. :D`
`22:26.49`	`Tybusen`	`I'm interested to see how they develop`
`22:27.06`	`Wormy_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:27.11`	`Technobliterator`	`\o/`
`22:27.59`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hmm, yeah I like it thusfar`
`22:28.29`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I would say that civilisations rarely last past one-thousand years, but the nature of this society may prolong its existence`
`22:30.30`	`Tybusen`	`Well it's entirely possible for a civilization to last past 1000 years`
`22:31.04`	`Tybusen`	`There's plenty of civs in SporeWiki that are over a millenium old`
`22:31.20`	`Technobliterator`	`mhm`
`22:32.06`	`Wormy_`	`Of the Grox, 6 billion (which I find a bit nuts but it can't be undone)`
`22:32.48`	`Tybusen`	`It probably also depends on how you define the term "civilization"`
`22:33.09`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Well, yes`
`22:33.15`	`Tybusen`	`Chinese civilization is thousands of years old, for example, if you're defining civilization as their unique culture and society`
`22:33.49`	`DrodoEmpire`	`And China is an exception in almost every way`
`22:33.52`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Including age`
`22:34.02`	`Wormy_`	`Yeah, humans have civilisation (by a generous definition) persistently for thousands of years, but the nature of the societies change all the time or get conquered by others or reach stagnation and die`
`22:34.16`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Here's how I see it`
`22:34.19`	`Tybusen`	`You're probably going to have to be more specific on the terms you're using to define civilization because there are many ways to define it`
`22:34.27`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I know.`
`22:34.31`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Governments are lucky to last 300 years`
`22:35.36`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Indivudal cultural identites are lucky to last a thousand (and often experience significant change in that time), while whole civilisations, which cultures may be grouped under (i.e Aztec culture under the greater mesoamerican civilisation) may last thousands`
`22:35.43`	`Wormy_`	`Ideas and more abstract political structures can live longer, although they change`
`22:35.46`	`DrodoEmpire`	`All these terms are a little vague of course, but my point stands`
`22:36.36`	`Hachiman`	`>Skyrim Not Confirmed for Nintendo Switch, Despite Appearing in Trailer`
`22:36.38`	`Hachiman`	`Fucking kek`
`22:37.00`	`DrodoEmpire`	`ayy lmao`
`22:37.19`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Anyway, Worldcrafter, I'm pretty iffy on the idea of an omniscient AI 'god' myself`
`22:37.33`	`DrodoEmpire`	`But... If you really want to...`
`22:37.46`	`Tybusen`	`It`
`22:37.51`	`Tybusen`	`It's unique at the very least`
`22:37.52`	`Hachiman`	`I.T.`
`22:38.02`	`Wormy_`	`Link?`
`22:38.07`	`Tybusen`	`Hachiman: Information technology`
`22:38.14`	`Worldcrafter`	`Technically, He's an uploaded intelligence. Besides, the Alissari have had... problems with AI in the past.`
`22:38.23`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Well yeah it is unique don't get me wrong`
`22:38.36`	`DrodoEmpire`	`But it needs 'balancing' so to speak and some sorta limits`
`22:38.37`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ahh`
`22:38.44`	`DrodoEmpire`	`What sorta problems?`
`22:39.40`	`Worldcrafter`	`Nothing major, just a cabal of AIs hijacking orbital missile platforms and demanding they be given the means to construct a dataship to leave the system. All AI research was banned thereafter.`
`22:39.50`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Right`
`22:39.58`	`DrodoEmpire`	`>.<`
`22:40.01`	`Tybusen`	`I could see it being an AI that is knowledgeable enough to come off as omniscient to the Alissari, but not omnipotent`
`22:40.01`	`Worldcrafter`	`It was actually one of the drivers for the development of uploading tech.`
`22:40.17`	`Wormy_`	`What is the nature of the AI's omniscience? There's certainly some physical limitations to consider,`
`22:41.13`	`Tybusen`	`It could even be a foreign rogue AI pretending to be a UI, which would give it more potential to appear omniscient than if it was operating on the Alissari tech level`
`22:42.38`	`Worldcrafter`	`Each Alissari, organic and otherwise, is linked to the reznet via implants that maintain FTL comms. Through these implants, the Arch-Mindlord can communicate, though most of the time, He does not take a direct hand in the affairs of mere ordinary sapients.`
`22:42.55`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hm right`
`22:43.07`	`DrodoEmpire`	`So is this a government initiative?`
`22:43.26`	`DrodoEmpire`	`What might this mean for the political atmosphere (libertarians of any kind would utterly lose it)?`
`22:45.04`	`Wormy_`	`Reminds me of The Cleanser`
`22:45.15`	`Wormy_`	`But perhaps less of a bully`
`22:45.21`	`Worldcrafter`	`The political atmosphere of the Ecumene is actually very diverse. It's more like a loose confederacy tied together by common origins and a sense of loyalty. Sectors, systems and planets can have entirely different political systems from each other, but all are represented within the Sectorlord Congress.`
`22:45.30`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Wormy_: EWWWWW`
`22:45.37`	`DrodoEmpire`	`NOT THE CLEANSER`
`22:45.41`	`DrodoEmpire`	`>.<`
`22:45.54`	`Wormy_`	`Space Jebus`
`22:46.14`	`Wormy_`	`Space Jebus + Hypnotoad`
`22:46.19`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Right`
`22:47.04`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Which makes me wonder as to how you'd get these disparate states to all suddenly submit so completely to federal authority by chipping themselves with these devices that can instantly turn them in to zombies for the 'god'`
`22:47.09`	`DrodoEmpire`	`(correct me if I'm wrong)`
`22:47.23`	`Tybusen`	`Cleanser = Old Testament, Arch-Mindlord = New Testament`
`22:47.36`	`DrodoEmpire`	`It just seems to be a case of having one's cake and eating it too`
`22:50.20`	`Tybusen`	`Perhaps it's a uniquely strong sense of cultural fraternity`
`22:51.21`	`Worldcrafter`	`Well, there's another factor tying the worlds and cultures of the Ecumene together: xenophobia. Not in the "DIE XENOS SCUM" sense, but more "Fuck off and leave us alone."`
`22:51.41`	`Worldcrafter`	`Also, yes, cultural fraternity.`
`22:51.50`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Right, but that isn't always a very strong unifier, particularly when they're already so isolated`
`22:52.01`	`DrodoEmpire`	`And there's no percieved existential threat`
`22:52.28`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Xenophobia when there is and isn't a percieved existential threat is the difference between Nazi Germany and Imperial China`
`22:52.51`	`DrodoEmpire`	`One's an intense, unifying hatred- the other's a snobbish, unearned sense of superiority`
`22:53.35`	`Tybusen`	`Song China - ha ha look at all these barbarians around us`
`22:53.43`	`DrodoEmpire`	`^`
`22:53.55`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ming China - OH SHIT LOOK AT ALL THESE BARBARIANS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US`
`22:54.20`	`Tybusen`	`10 years later China lost its capital. Genghis Khan now controls the most original capitals (2).`
`22:54.29`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Basically 1644 <.<`
`22:54.58`	`Worldcrafter`	`The Ecumene doesn't hate aliens and are willing to work with them, but they just don't trust them, not after the Defensive Wars.`
`22:55.42`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Right, so it certainly wouldn't be a strong enough unifier`
`22:56.14`	`DrodoEmpire`	`All I'm saying is that it'd be incredibly hard to have these seemingly very autonomous states to always submit to the feds in this way`
`22:56.49`	`DrodoEmpire`	`There might be the occasional, I dunno, revolt or protest or provincial statute against chipping or whatever`
`22:57.12`	`DrodoEmpire`	`But anyway, just a thought`
`22:57.22`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Its a strong start, all told`
`22:57.29`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I'm just being very anal about a couple things`
`22:58.31`	`Worldcrafter`	`The reztek implants aren't phone taps for brains, just a means of preserving consciousness in the event of death. They're not used for spying.`
`22:58.39`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ahh`
`22:58.49`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I just thought I read something about the AI being able to control people`
`22:58.51`	`DrodoEmpire`	`At will`
`22:59.10`	`DrodoEmpire`	`But yeah if that's all it is then beyond some radical groups no one would mind probably`
`23:02.20`	`Worldcrafter`	`BRB, lunch`
`23:05.38`	`Tybusen`	`> lunch`
`23:05.52`	`Tybusen`	`Where in the world is it midday right now`
`23:06.15`	`Tek0516`	`east coast of Asia I think?`
`23:06.15`	`Tybusen`	`Is Worldcrafter in Hawaii or something`
`23:06.25`	`Tybusen`	`Ah makes sense`
`23:06.54`	`Tybusen`	`It's 4 PM on the West Coast so noon would be somewhere in the middle of the Pacific`
`23:07.25`	`Tek0516`	`Actually I think it's still morning there. According to a map it's noon in New Zealand though`
`23:08.45`	`Worldcrafter`	`You guess right, Tek0516.`
`23:09.47`	`Tek0516`	`Also it seems Stellaris does have mercy. After surrounding me with aggressive Empires it also stuck a friendly advanced AI willing to ally me nearby. :D`
`23:12.55`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ah good`
`23:15.04`	`DrodoEmpire`	`http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/066/852/fd3.png`
`23:15.48`	`DrodoEmpire`	`http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/071/265/8a6.jpg`
`23:18.26`	`Tybusen`	`Time to oil up?`
`23:18.43`	`Tybusen`	`Worldcrafter: Which part of East Asia, if you don't mind me asking?`
`23:18.43`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Indeed`
`23:18.57`	`Worldcrafter`	`New Zealand`
`23:19.03`	`Tybusen`	`Oh ok`
`23:19.31`	`Tybusen`	`I thought the "you guessed right" was in response to the "east coast of Asia" guess lol`
`23:21.35`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hmm`
`23:21.47`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I need to really delete that old aristocracy page for the Drodo Empire`
`23:21.51`	`Tek0516`	`DrodoEmpire: "This Empire believes that we are weak and in need of their protection" D:`
`23:22.00`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Its so bad and painfully outdated`
`23:22.10`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Tek: D:>`
`23:22.32`	`DrodoEmpire`	`The Drodo concept to aristocracy has become a bit more nuanced and a lot less regimented`
`23:22.51`	`DrodoEmpire`	`retconned, rather\`
`23:23.16`	`Tek0516`	`Actually that modifier sounds bad but it means they really want to ally me. And vassalize me but that's a different concern. :P`
`23:23.48`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Right`
`23:23.49`	`DrodoEmpire`	`>.<`
`23:24.04`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I haven't played Stellaris in some time`
`23:24.14`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I've been playing M2TW and EUIV`
`23:34.05`	`Tek0516`	`DrodoEmpire: Well... s***. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CJi8eB4Y/20161020193345_1.jpg`
`23:34.30`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Shite`
`23:35.02`	`Tek0516`	`...I declined it but nothing seems to have happened`
`23:35.06`	`DrodoEmpire`	`hur`
`23:36.24`	`Tek0516`	`Just a -20 opinion modifier. >.>`
`23:36.57`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Huh`
`23:37.06`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Talk about an empty threat`
`23:37.39`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Though, actually being able to threaten war like that could be easily abused if its implemented wrong >.<`
`23:37.55`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Actually no, I'm thinking in EUIV terms more`
`23:38.10`	`Hachiman`	`Threatening war actually supplies certain bonuses`
`23:38.17`	`Hachiman`	`I know I've abused it to get morale bonuses I think`
`23:38.20`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Huh`
`23:38.30`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yeah I'm getting my games mixed up then`
`23:38.59`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Its just that in EUIV you all but need a casus belli to start a war, and getting casus bellis can be difficult`
`23:39.10`	`Hachiman`	`You can just declare war on any nation willy nilly and get some kind of bonus for your empire`
`23:39.14`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yeah`
`23:40.20`	`DrodoEmpire`	`(fabricating claims is the easiest way but you need a spy network which can be detected, plus claims are pretty weak; reconquest is only valid if the country in question has cores of yours; and casus bellis like humiliation/mutual rival are useless`
`23:41.01`	`Monet`	`Hachiman: It might help these aliens are militarists.`
`23:41.03`	`Tek0516`	`Well humilitation does give a lot of monarch points apparently.`
`23:41.13`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Nomad tribes are great because they have casus bellis against every other country in the game they can use to demand any treaty stipulation with`
`23:41.18`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Eh I guess`
`23:41.31`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I'm too much of a landwhore for that though, which makes me a bad EUIV player`
`23:46.48`	`Monet`	`Random discussion. I was reading the other day that real throne rooms re rather modest compared to the great throne chambers in places like Minas'Tirith.`
`23:48.40`	`The_Randomness`	`just got a haircut \o/`
`23:51.48`	`Monet`	`If I understand right this is the throne room of Louis XIV http://thediplomatinspain.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/DSC5619web.jpg`
`23:52.03`	`Monet`	`http://userscontent2.emaze.com/images/13132af9-5eaa-4a95-96f6-c158a6bb0856/8ac4aabf-0afb-4f28-bc45-91a32d852c6a.jpg`
`23:52.54`	`Monet`	`The court of the sun king, the man who famously declared "I am the state"`
`23:53.26`	`The_Randomness`	`needs more gold`
`23:54.22`	`Monet`	`Possibly the closest post-Roman Europe had to a god-king. And his throne room is kind of cosy.`
`23:56.14`	`Monet`	`It's ornate but it's also modest compared to throne rooms seen in television and cinema.`
`23:56.46`	`The_Randomness`	`It's stupidly ornate, but at least it's not super over the top`
`23:59.46`	`Hachiman`	`Hm`

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