IRC log for #sporewiki on 20161019

00:00.04Technobliteratorwhen this whole election is over, I wonder if I can make a Loron History out of it
00:00.16MonetYeah but those who do it the terrorist is either fully reformed, or the person is more interested in power.
00:00.42Technobliteratornope
00:00.53Technobliteratorthe US elected a terrorist very recently, known as George W. Bush
00:01.20OluapPlayerGod no
00:01.33MonetOkay now we're veering into stupid.
00:01.46Technobliterator>invading a country illegally for oil isn't terrorism
00:01.47Technobliteratork
00:01.56OluapPlayerTake it to offtopic
00:02.20CyrannianAdele is more interested in power rather than a particular set of ideals, so I suppose she's not really a terrorist http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Adelheidis#Criminal
00:02.42OluapPlayerI called her a terrorist because she tried to usurp the Republic once
00:02.43MonetYeah I'm not keen on this coversation's sudden shift in direction.
00:02.49OluapPlayerNot just because she's obviously power-hungry
00:03.16CyrannianI wonder if the Crispy plot is still canon with Hachi
00:04.18OluapPlayerAlso needs more Thaurlathrón being menacing to peple
00:04.20OluapPlayerpeople even
00:05.03Cyrannianneeds Vanikaimar paeg too
00:05.25OluapPlayerUpload his png dingus
00:06.25Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:VanikaimarPNG.png - dere
00:07.01OluapPlayeri'll write it later
00:07.19Cyranniannag nag nag
00:07.23OluapPlayerAlso
00:07.32OluapPlayer>page is a collection of short stories       >Tales of
00:07.34OluapPlayerdid u copy me
00:07.58MonetTybusen tried doing this as well, before Tales I think.
00:08.27TechnobliteratorI need a quote at the top of Volzara's page
00:08.34CyrannianI dun copied STO http://sto.gamepedia.com/Tales_of_the_War
00:08.53OluapPlayeroh
00:09.20OluapPlayerI got a page of short stories called Tales of Champions, hence why I was wondering
00:09.46MonetActually this isn't too surprising
00:10.54MonetThe bulk of science fiction has historically been short story collections collected and published
00:14.03MonetI am reminded a little of EBE Chronicles.
00:14.16MonetEVE*
00:15.07CyrannianI was thinking of getting back into EVE now that my computer is up to scratch
00:15.36TechnobliteratorIs it fair to call Volzara the leader of the good guy Essentials?
00:15.55MonetCyrannian: What stopped you last time?
00:16.04OluapPlayerShe's not the only good Essential god so no
00:16.23CyrannianVery slow speeds IIRC, I could barely make it out of character creator
00:16.42CyrannianThough now I can run Inquisition on high graphics and it's pretty new, so it should be fine now
00:16.57MonetYou did mention EVE felt slow. At the time I thought you were talking about the pace of the game
00:17.15DrodoEmpiretest
00:17.17DrodoEmpireAlright back
00:17.32Technobliteratoralright
00:17.33Technobliteratorhm
00:17.42TechnobliteratorShe's the only one who's sympathetic to mortals, right?
00:17.55OluapPlayerNo, Sonhadromerith also is
00:18.04Technobliteratorah
00:18.46CyrannianMonet: hur, I did enjoy the game itself (or at least my brief experience with it)
00:20.36MonetAt least it's a game where pew-pew lazor smashy is good money
00:21.50CyrannianI think I could also run GTA V now, so I'll keep on eye out for Steam sales
00:22.23Technobliteratoruh
00:22.41Technobliteratorare the Xhodocto's allies now the Dominion?
00:23.37MonetPretty-much iirc.
00:24.17OluapPlayerYes
00:24.26OluapPlayerLess allies and more servants
00:25.36Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Vyro%27Nazdea so, this intro works then
00:26.28MonetCyrannian: As before I'm willing to help if you need advice.
00:26.38Technobliteratorah, reminds me
00:26.42TechnobliteratorRDR2 hype
00:26.42Technobliterator:o
00:26.51OluapPlayerno pc no buy
00:27.16TechnobliteratorI imagine they will just release it a year later
00:27.45OluapPlayerbecause fuck PC costumers
00:28.22TechnobliteratorI forget if I revealed Volzara's past in the original war much
00:28.24MonetI don't think the first RDR was on the PC either.
00:28.30OluapPlayerIt wasn't
00:28.43CyrannianMonet: If I get back into it, I'll let you know
00:29.06OluapPlayerI don't get Rockstar's reluctance to make proper PC ports after GTA San Andreas came out. RDR had no PC version, GTA IV's PC port is ridden with DRM, GTA V's PC release was nearly two whole years after consoles
00:29.45TechnobliteratorWell, San Andreas on PC did hurt the company a lot
00:29.55OluapPlayerHow so?
00:30.41MonetTech might know more than me but they did have to update a PS2 game to recognise modern hardware.
00:30.48Monetmodern PC hardware*
00:30.54Technobliteratorthe mod
00:31.02Technobliteratorthe one that gave them a lot of legal troubles
00:31.02Cyrannianhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REfr4-PQUlE - ooh new Force Awakens deleted scene
00:31.11OluapPlayerThat was not the PC port's fault
00:31.17OluapPlayerHot Coffee was Rockstar-made content
00:31.29MonetWe're getting deleted scenes before the film is even out?
00:31.33OluapPlayerThe PC port just helped people discover it
00:31.51Technobliteratoryeah, but it was left in because they rushed to release it
00:32.03Technobliteratorif they'd had more time, they might have been able to cut it from the PC port
00:32.10Technobliteratoris I guess their thought process? I don't know
00:32.26OluapPlayerThe content was also in the console releases
00:32.33MonetFOr the console version they could excuse it since you needed to hack the PS2 to get it
00:32.35OluapPlayerPeople didn't find it because it's not as easy to datamine a console game
00:32.46OluapPlayerAt least not at the time
00:33.09MonetSo the story of a sex minigame in GTA:SA was less well-known
00:33.18Cyranniannightie night
00:33.22OluapPlayerBye
00:33.28TechnobliteratorI have a feeling they might just have been mad about the PC port and the modders
00:33.54Technobliteratoralthough one of the modders even said on their site "no, you cannot access this in the game normally" and whatever and Rockstar still through them under a bus
00:34.00OluapPlayerThey'd have to be extremely petty to be mad at the playerbase for their own mistake
00:34.46MonetTBF, mass media didn't care that one required a hack and a mod to see it.
00:34.49TechnobliteratorMhm
00:35.00TechnobliteratorBut they still through said playerbase under a bus
00:35.17MonetProbably to avoid a lawsuit they couldn't win.
00:35.51MonetLegal battles - they can be nightmares to endure.
00:36.54MonetSome companies would rather cave in to public outcry than endure a months-long legal or PR battle.
00:37.08MonetSome or quite a few ,cant' quite remember the quantity
00:37.26TechnobliteratorIt's still a dick move, honestly
00:37.53OluapPlayerRegardless, I want to try RDR2 out, but like I said, no pc no buy
00:38.29OluapPlayerI'm very pessimistic over it happening. I'd prefer to be pleasantly surprised rather than disappointed
00:39.30MonetBad news is what sells. Sadly.
00:40.03TechnobliteratorRockstar have a very good track record though
00:40.11TechnobliteratorUnlike Valve, they continued to actually make games
00:40.11Technobliterator: |
00:40.17DrodoEmpireayy
00:40.42OluapPlayerSure their games are good, but they don't treat PC like they used to
00:40.50DrodoEmpireYeah Valve's a veritable hermit kingdom, just sorta sits there and gets money and says nothing
00:41.08MonetI thought R* were most comfortable on console?
00:42.04OluapPlayerI don't know about that but Vice City and San Andreas were excellent PC games
00:42.31DrodoEmpireGTAV works and plays great on PC I find
00:42.35TechnobliteratorI never heard anyone had a problem with GTAV?
00:42.48DrodoEmpireI did, but that was because my computer shouldn;t be running i
00:42.49DrodoEmpire*it
00:43.11MonetMost people complain about hackers on GTA online.
00:43.30DrodoEmpireTrue, though that's not really a problem with like optimisation or bugs
00:43.34DrodoEmpireMore a community problem
00:44.09OluapPlayerGTA V PC's problem was coming out 2 years after consoles
00:44.11Technobliteratorbleh
00:44.11MonetA lot of Steam reviews downrated it but then again community environment is something peopel rate o nSteam reviews.
00:44.17TechnobliteratorI need to rewrite Volzara's page tomorrow
00:44.34MonetOluapPlayer: To be expected when you're remaking the game to work in 4K.
00:44.56MonetAlso high-res textures and accompanying bugfixes.
00:45.02Technobliteratoroh, I bet RDR2 will release in 4K
00:45.11Technobliteratordespite 4K being an honestly meaningless selling point
00:45.46MonetI completely forgive Rockstar for taking their time with the PC port.
00:45.58MonetBecause it is a beautiful port.
00:47.42MonetI'm slightly turned off by gaming news because oh bloody hell do people online complain.
00:49.27Monet2K made a Facebook post showing off a performance of Baba Yetu in London and there were people complaining in the comments of 2K's troubled release of Mafia III
00:50.21MonetEven though the post was about a different game, non gameplay related and completely unrelated to Hanger 13's design choices.
01:23.46DrodoEmpirehttp://i.imgur.com/d1cK6k2.jpg
01:32.16DrodoEmpiretest
02:03.51Monetgoodnight
02:18.45DrodoEmpirehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvEJw8SUIAAyoHD.jpg:large
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09:06.31Groxkiller98Heya.
09:06.43Groxkiller98Have people seen the new Mithadorn flag yet? :3
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09:07.15JepardiHi
09:07.33Groxkiller98Heya.
09:09.50Groxkiller98http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Dakasha_Station Working on my new thing.
09:11.13Groxkiller98What year is it in-universe atm?
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10:20.40GhelaeHello.
10:44.24Wormy_"Internet Explorer has stopped working" never opened it > IE fails even when its off or in the background
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11:30.53dromHow about this, Wormy_? *UAC pops up* "wuapp.exe is asking for premission to make changes on your computer"
11:31.02dromwuapp.exe is the Windows Update itself
11:31.25dromI just laugh and press "Decline" every time it pops up
11:32.36Wormy_lol
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11:35.39dromThis was on a Asus Windows 8.1 computer.
11:35.57dromGood chance it was caused by the amount of bloat-ware it brought in.
11:41.41dromAnyway, I've discovered how good Discord actually is.
11:43.04Wormy_What's that?
11:47.54dromIRC-like communication program.
11:48.03dromIt is like Slack. But better.
11:48.16dromIt even has VoIP
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12:04.03Wormy_nice
12:10.16dromI've already found Imperios and Xho on Discord.
12:11.42dromI asked a question at a Discord server about a TTRPG game about hosting a game with user-homebrew races. The excuses using the races being "crused by a god/wizard/witch/supernatural entity"
12:12.24dromcurse, rather
12:15.30dromThey told me that they'd play it. But apparently no one would like to GM it.
12:17.41dromThat leaves me as a potential GM. But the problem is I'm inexperienced about DM/GM:ing
12:20.56TechnobliteratorI would argue Slack is better than Discord, personally
12:31.35dromAnyway
12:31.41dromI'm writing a report for a project
12:32.04dromJust using a template to fill in the contents.
12:32.09drom"References"
12:32.19drom... I used no references for my project.
12:33.12GhelIf you weren't supposed to use references, just remove the references section. If you were supposed to use references, you did something wrong somewhere.
12:33.36GhelAnd by "you did something wrong", I mean you didn't use references.
12:35.48dromIt is a project. Not a kind of exam project.
12:36.40dromBasically the only requirement was "Build a system that contains an Arduino device, and it must have hardware."
12:36.43Wormy_Always reference if it has a literature review or analysis, or if its one of your projects you could always have a bibliography
12:36.58dromThen we've to write a report about it.
12:37.35Wormy_(put in fake refs and pretend you read them-ography)
12:38.57dromhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/213698356575338497/236904424629338112/IMG_20161015_193225.jpg This is the finished product of my project.
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12:41.34drom_... Did someone say something?
12:42.49Wormy_Nope, but it looks like a finished product I guess :P
12:47.47drom_It is a bit slower than with the old computer.
12:48.28drom_To elaborate a little more, I had this Nikko RC-rover standing on my shelf, the battery missing, the controller kaputt and it refusing to move at all.
12:49.06drom_I thought, "what if I "repair" it by placing an Arduino on it and rewire everything to it?"
12:49.11drom_It wasn't so hard
12:49.45drom_But due to the postal service being slow and garbage, I had to wait two weeks for my items to arrive. So I could finally work on it, that was last week.
12:49.52drom_And the report is due this Friday
12:50.29drom_Now I have a new battery to it, it is now faster, but still slower than its older self.
12:50.36drom_But hey, it works. Give or take.
12:50.55drom_This report is my concern
12:51.29drom_Then I've another concern: math finals for this Monday coming in five days.
12:52.52drom_Need to finish writing it, then take a picture of the product in its final form, and it in action.
12:54.53drom_Oh...
12:55.30drom_I also need an adapter for my goddamn Macbook so I can do my presentation at Friday
12:55.32drom_Fuck this
12:59.52drom_Mmmmhmmm
13:00.00drom_I do have two reference material, actually.
13:04.14drom_A shopping-list of parts for the product, source-code for Arduino and two other manuals. One for the bluetooth module and one for a mobile app for controlling the car.
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13:31.11Tek0516DrodoAway: Canada Focus Tree in HoI4 confirmed. :D http://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/200098/can_dd_tree.jpg
13:35.27drom_Tek0516: I can't find the burden where they mount soldiers on mooses for cavalary
13:35.37drom_walks away giggling for himself
13:35.58Tek0516>.>
13:36.20Tek0516trips drom_ as he walks away
13:42.17Tek0516drom_: ours has zombies though. :P
13:43.22drom_:o
13:44.02drom_"Forced Quebec Conscription" too
13:45.18drom_I don't think Sweden has an unique focus tree, actually.
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13:45.41drom_*looks for the tree*
13:45.41Tek0516We had a huge conscription crisis in both wars. the forced quebec option is actually the historical one.
13:46.21Tek0516For some reason Quebec wasn't huge on fighting in an English army to help the English. :P
13:46.44drom_Hm, Sweden does not have have its own national focus
13:47.12drom_But it does have few for their districts and some for shifting the politics
13:48.09Tek0516Not yet at least. The next expansion is at least adding them to the British Commonwealth so you'll probably see some Scandinavian focuses eventually (Paradox is Swedish after all)
13:48.44drom_I am aware that Paradox is Swedish
13:49.06Tek0516Probably focused on Sweden and its neutrality option, and on Finland and the Winter War. Maybe some to try and defend against Germany on the others
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13:51.02Quark8Hello.
13:51.06Tek0516I assume ultimately any country directly involved in the war will get their own focuses eventually.
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14:09.05Tek0516This lecture is just depressing. Probably over 3/4ths of the class aren't even attending now. I barely resisted bailing today myself. >.>
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15:07.39Monethello
15:23.20Wormy_I have this one lecturer who gets interrupted everytime by a fire alarm, windows crash or auto-update,or the recorder glitching
15:23.34Wormy_its like the Pauli Effect
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15:57.12Tek0516Hello
16:00.47MonetTek0516: The last bit is most chilling
16:02.06MonetWhat I've come to realise about "MAGA" is this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTT5JuRW4AA3xTq.jpg
16:02.13MonetObama already did it.
16:03.20Monethttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsQceOmWIAAtfgr.jpg
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16:15.38Monethi
16:18.21OluapPlayerMonet: I found a helmet similar to what your character uses, but not only does it contrast with everything else in color, it makes my beard disappear
16:18.29OluapPlayerI look less like a dwarf and more like an actual midget
16:20.36MonetAhh Outlands clown armour, love it.
16:21.44OluapPlayerOh yeah I'm definitely clownsuiting atm
16:22.03OluapPlayerGreen helmet, gray armor, blue cape, red gloves, yellow shoes
16:22.37MonetPut horns in your shoes and you can go to children's parties.
16:23.39OluapPlayerDwarf has no gold so he's forced to play clown in children's parties for money
16:24.05OluapPlayerI've also gotten to Shattrath City. The naaru are weird
16:24.19MonetYou could devise a act of "pull my beard"
16:24.26MonetWeird how?
16:24.43OluapPlayerWell they look like giant floating runes
16:24.55OluapPlayerI don't quite get what they're supposed to be
16:25.48MonetI long figured that's an attempt to present themselves in a form that's comforting
16:26.06MonetThey are the Holy Light made manifest.
16:26.33OluapPlayerSo they're angels of a sort
16:28.04MonetIndeed they are.
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16:28.35MonetPersonally I imagined them as crystal formations rather than runes.
16:28.52OluapPlayerRight, that makes it easier to understand
16:29.07OluapPlayeralso the game is making me choose between two factions and I'm not sure what to pick
16:29.23MonetAldor and Scryers?
16:29.30OluapPlayerYeah
16:29.58OluapPlayerIs there any major benefit in choosing one over the other?
16:30.51MonetI think it's more of a principle choice.
16:33.47OluapPlayerRight
16:34.09OluapPlayerI might go for the Scryers then. I like how they turned away from Kael'thas
16:34.44OluapPlayerSpeaking of Kael'thas, a translucent version of him showed up in front of the naaru and he started yelling over how he can't be stopped
16:35.10MonetYeah he went crazy in Outland, sided with Illidan Stormrage.
16:35.27OluapPlayerSided with Kil'jaeden you mean
16:36.54MonetIniitally Illidan, then he got really addicted to fel magic.
16:37.25OluapPlayerI played TFT u kno
16:37.39MonetSorry, sorry.
16:37.44drom_Tek0516: Yeah, the minor addition serve as compensation for being minor power.
16:38.45OluapPlayerThis all being said, before I reached the city, I passed by Nagrand
16:38.53OluapPlayerThat zone looks REALLY pretty
16:39.38MonetIt survived best from Draenor's shattering.
16:43.16MonetNo one back in SIlvermoon was initially aware that Kael'thas had gone from looking for a non-addicting alternative to practically turning blood elves into demons.
16:44.39OluapPlayernone of this would've happened if we had just listened to garithos
16:47.55MonetThe guy was a dick though.
16:49.38OluapPlayerI kid, I was glad when he died hur
16:50.49MonetYeah who did he think he was ordering a prince around like one of his knights.
16:51.44OluapPlayerFirst tried to order a prince, then tried to order an undead elf and her vampire demon lieutenant
16:52.05Technobliteratoroh my god this is amazing
16:52.14TechnobliteratorEminem made a Trump diss track and it's even better than his Bush diss track
16:52.26OluapPlayerSpeaking of which, whatever happened to Varimathras?
16:52.49MonetHe betrayed Sylvanas during the battle of the Wrathgate.
16:53.07MonetWhile she was on campaign in Northrend he took over Undercity.
16:53.21OluapPlayerSneaky breeki
16:53.29MonetNever trust a dreadlord.
16:54.29MonetNot being racist, we learn in the battle his ultimate loyalties were always to the Legion.
16:54.57OluapPlayerYou're allowed to be racist to dreadlords since they're demons and demons are all evil
16:55.29OluapPlayerSylvanas was foolish to have kept him around as long as she did
16:57.38MonetGood point.
16:58.50MonetThough I was hesitant as we learn from BC that most demons are aliens corrupted by the magic of the Burning Legion.
16:59.07Wormy_I have a feeling the lander was lost http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/10/19/exomars-space-probe-schiaparelli-landing-mars-surface-live/
16:59.26MonetGive them enough time and Kael's Felblood Elves might have became a new species of demon.
17:01.14OluapPlayerIt took me some time to grasp the idea that the eredar and the draenei share the same ancestors
17:04.33MonetI wonder how many other beings share such a divide.
17:06.36MonetWOrmy_: I love how the Telegraph provide tension for a situation that, from the outside, looks like a dozen people sitting patiently at a computer.
17:08.27Wormy_They;re feeling it
17:08.37NeonPandaHellsing Abridged
17:08.43NeonPandagod damn I'm glad I started watching this again
17:10.12Wormy_I'll be sad if the Rover is lost, ExoMars has had my attention for a long time.  I once attended a talk at Uni of Leicester and learned they developed a chip that detects organic molecules and glows, although I think it got trimmed off the design in the end
17:12.16Wormy_I worry about how we're going to land people on Mars, I think there's a high chance they'll crash, Mars has a much higher gravity than the Moon yet a much thinner atmosphere to break entry
17:12.47Wormy_*thinner atmosphere than Earth
17:14.03TechnobliteratorI'm most hyped for the things that we will develop while working on landing on Mars
17:14.19TechnobliteratorI imagine we'll get the next major breakthrough in AI, for one
17:15.31dino82_goin on legion for a while, might take a while to respond
17:16.53Wormy_Happening already, because of the signal delay and limited opportunities for destinations on the surface, there has been research in giving the probe some autonomy in recognising patterns and carrying out observations
17:17.04Wormy_*giving the rovers
17:17.59Wormy_You know, as they move from A to B
17:19.37Wormy_I recall that lecturer saying how geologists were collaborating with computer scientists to create a library of lithological data
17:19.53Wormy_the rover can recognise
17:27.22Wormy_drom_, Tek0516:  I take it that you've had experience in making algorithms like the binary search (divide and conquer?)
17:32.29Charles_Bot"Nationalism: Never underestimate what millions of really, REALLY pissed-off Frenchmen are able to accomplish." -Lessons of the French Revolution
17:39.57MonetLol
17:40.05MonetPretty useful lesson
17:49.23MonetI've had a thought.
17:50.24TechnobliteratorNeeds Xho for Borealis War
17:50.26MonetI might ditch portraying Draconis civilians as "suits for men and dresses for women"
17:51.03MonetBoth genders enjoy robes for one
17:54.52MonetI still remember Oluap thinking Arsac was a man and Irskaad thinking Uriel was a woman.
17:55.56MonetAnd then there's Erissere referring to Uriel's braids as "girly locks" - so maybe I could run with it
18:06.56Monethttps://twitter.com/Guardians/status/788772521122201600 choo-choo
18:10.20drom_Wormy_: Not much, but I keep experimenting with little finicky things
18:10.30drom_Like regular expressions and LINQ
18:11.01Wormy_Currently making a game where the computer guesses your number
18:11.20Wormy_but it is incredibly finicky
18:13.07drom_Oh.
18:16.52drom_I've only dared to touch abstract things like importing types from other assemblies without any reference to them.
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18:19.42Xhosapldkfjd
18:20.28MonetHi :>
18:21.55Tek0516Charles_Bot: Speaking of nationalism http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1476886340-20161019.png
18:22.16Tek0516Wormy_: I'm familiar with the algorithm
18:24.55Wormy_<PROTECTED>
18:25.56XhoWormy_: "Answer is no"
18:26.39Wormy_You are either right or wrong with computers I guess
18:30.02ImpyDroidMonet: Radeon - Finally someone understands us
18:30.36XhoNot even sure if I want to bother trying for fiction today
18:32.04Technobliterator:C
18:32.17ImpyDroidTBH with the way they determine gender it does not make sense for them to have that much sexual dimorphism
18:32.24TechnobliteratorNo Borealis War?
18:33.57MonetImpyDroid: I agree. There's not much physical dimorphism 9at least for young Draconis) either.
18:35.35XhoWell I wanted to Eschaton as we're so close to finishing that section
18:37.41TechnobliteratorWe're close to finishing this part of the Borealis War as well, though :c
18:37.59Xhotimes are tough
18:38.58TechnobliteratorJust two boss battles, then I think Angazhar rages at Zargoth, then Vague time
18:39.13Wormy_<PROTECTED>
18:39.15XhoAngazhar - u suk               send in the spores
18:39.19Wormy_Its Python
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18:41.15TechnobliteratorWormy_, are you using Python 2 or Python 3?
18:41.21Wormy_3
18:41.46ImpyDroidPython is weird
18:42.00TechnobliteratorPython is easy
18:42.06Wormy_still better than JavaScript hur
18:42.17ImpyDroidYeah it is easy but after other programming languages it feels so alien
18:42.27ImpyDroidEverything is familiar except it isn't
18:42.33TechnobliteratorIt's way more basic than other languages
18:42.56ImpyDroidYeah it took me a while to get used to the lack of... what's their name
18:43.01Wormy_It doesn't use brackets, which is what I'm having to get used to
18:43.07ImpyDroid{} <- These things
18:43.10ImpyDroidThese things suck
18:43.19ImpyDroidThank God Python does not have them
18:43.34ImpyDroidWhat kind of stuff do you do with Python?
18:43.46TechnobliteratorA few other languages don't, though
18:44.12TechnobliteratorPersonally, I code my workout schedule and money management in Python, among other stuff :P
18:44.12ImpyDroidYeah but I only know C-languages mostly
18:44.17TechnobliteratorAlso, my bot is Python based
18:44.18Wormy_Learning how to program algorithms in it.  Also learning MySQL & PHP for databases, and UNIX for networks
18:44.33ImpyDroidHeh, we do dictionary work
18:44.41ImpyDroidI did a search software for example
18:45.01ImpyDroidLike a program that searches through strings and/or texts
18:45.06Wormy_nice
18:45.40Wormy_What I'm trying to do is create a program that halvs a number and halves again until it loops to the right answer
18:45.52ImpyDroidThe right answer being?
18:46.13TechnobliteratorThat sounds fairly easy to do
18:46.14ImpyDroidThat thing is easy
18:46.30Wormy_Well it plays a game with you, you pick a number and get the computer to guess your number with <,>,= inputs
18:46.36ImpyDroidBasically just a cycle that either breaks or returns some value at a certain point
18:46.41Wormy_And corrects if you put numbers in
18:46.44Wormy_yeah
18:47.08ImpyDroidWait how do you call "for" things in English
18:47.11ImpyDroidLoops? Cycles?
18:47.16Wormy_Loops
18:47.23ImpyDroidOh, we call them cycles
18:47.26ImpyDroidI meant loop
18:47.27Wormy_I'm using a while loop, should I use a For
18:47.45NeonPandaI'd say while
18:47.51TechnobliteratorWhile sounds better for what you're trying to do
18:48.02ImpyDroidWhile yeah
18:48.06NeonPandawhile (computer's number) =/= (your number), repeat
18:48.14ImpyDroid^ that
18:48.14Technobliterator^
18:48.28Technobliteratorfor loops are mostly if you need it to loop a certain number of timews
18:48.28NeonPandaI answered a coding question! *squees*
18:48.30Wormy_aye, I'll stick to while http://pastie.org/private/4kr4si5ihgklwahgoq0weg
18:49.07Wormy_Unfortunately, it just cycles through a couple of numbers at the moment
18:49.59Technobliteratormy internet is shockingly slow atm
18:50.00Wormy_And seems to ignore the greater than block
18:52.16Technobliteratorbleh, I'm bored
18:52.25TechnobliteratorI'll rewrite Volzara's page then I don't have anything to do
18:52.42OluapPlayerget fiction done
18:52.56TechnobliteratorI need people to get fiction done :|
18:53.02TechnobliteratorOr more specifically, I need a person
18:53.19NeonPanda[insert lionel richie]
18:53.27NeonPandaI know it's not, but the opportunity can't go to waste
18:54.10OluapPlayerXho: get fiction done
18:54.29XhoWell I would but I'll be back in half an hour
18:54.38OluapPlayerrip
18:54.45XhoAlso when can we do Eschaton
18:54.49XhoIt's getting tasty close to ending
18:56.04Technobliteratorhalf an hour is fine by me
18:56.06OluapPlayerAsk hachi and/or Imp
18:56.09OluapPlayerI'm available all the time
18:56.35ImpyDroidUnavailable
18:59.31TechnobliteratorI probably need to rewrite a couple Taldar pages as well
18:59.35TechnobliteratorI don't remember how many I rewrote
18:59.42Technobliteratorand maybe the BCN char pages
19:00.37ImpyDroidTechnobliterator: I just had a random idea for a character
19:01.08HachimanUnavailable right now
19:01.16ImpyDroidA psychic human bounty hunter that found a way to extend his life and empower himself by draining Chronoscopic beings
19:01.57Technobliteratoroh, that sounds interesting
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19:10.15TechnobliteratorGhel, Wormy_, I may need your help with Volzara's history a little bit, or at least the first part of it
19:10.37Wormy_Might be able to this weekend
19:10.56TechnobliteratorMy idea was that she began as a researcher for the Taldar Imperium (ie before they were a godrace), and then discovered Chronoscopic energy and infused herself with it
19:11.05Technobliteratorwhich was her first step towards becoming a goddess
19:11.18TechnobliteratorDoes that sound, well, consistent with the fictionverse?
19:13.00Wormy_Can't say it doesn't
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19:21.33Spluff5Yo, I'm back
19:23.30Charles_MurrayWormy dino82_ ImpyDroid2 Monet Ghel So I'm working on this sentence:
19:23.34Charles_Murray"France has also been developing a flexible arsenal of strategic weapons of varying degrees of lethality"
19:23.49Charles_MurrayMy autocorrect wants to change "lethality" to "legality"
19:23.59Charles_Murray"of varying degrees of legality"
19:24.19XhoSo half an hour
19:24.20XhoPretty good
19:24.25Charles_MurrayMy computer KNOWS
19:24.41XhoOluapPlayer: dat timin tho
19:25.36OluapPlayerwrap xi'arazulha stoof up with jo
19:25.54Xhok den
19:26.01Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Vyro%27Nazdea finished history section :o
19:26.18TechnobliteratorI will finish characteristics and relations after
19:26.22XhoSo the Taldar were actually spacefaring normies at one point
19:26.51Technobliteratoryeah
19:26.57Technobliteratorthen the Xhodocto punished them
19:26.58XhoYou should probably replace 'Xhodocto' with one of the four Xhodocto really
19:27.05XhoKrath I think we said
19:27.09TechnobliteratorIt was Krath, yeah
19:27.12Technobliteratorand sure
19:27.33Wormy_Techno, ImpyDroid, Panda, drom:  Finally finished it
19:27.36XhoVerezuon's a severely outdated name as well kek
19:28.22Technobliteratoralso, need to rewrite Taldar Imperium page, and wtf was I doing with the Creature:Taldar pages
19:28.35Technobliteratoranyway, titanpad?
19:28.40Xhogogogo
19:29.24TechnobliteratorOluapPlayer, can you be involved in the second boss battle btw? I kind of want Kolossus to step in
19:29.45OluapPlayerI was gonna watch but I don't really want to get involved
19:29.57XhoKolossus - pls no                          Maktanshatin - get a load of dis guy
19:31.49Technobliteratoroh, you can watch and comment as well
19:32.20XhoHachiman Technobliterator: https://soundcloud.com/turkeychickensandwich/tone-test-born-in-dissonance meshuggah get hype
19:32.52Technobliterator:o
20:08.02dino82_bye bye
20:09.42drom_Ghel Wormy_: Do you add links to online tools you had used in your project if it was used to create your materials in the Reference page?
20:16.29drom_Never mind, I didn't do it anyway
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20:24.08ImperiosHi
20:24.15ImperiosCharles_Murray Xho: https://www.reddit.com/r/heraldry/comments/58ckax/arms_of_the_intermariumimperial_poland/  Look what I made
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20:24.47Xhokurwa eagle
20:24.48Xhohi
20:24.59ImperiosHi
20:25.15CyrannianHai
20:28.09OluapPlayer~eat Cyrannian
20:28.09infobotACTION eats Cyrannian and falls over dead
20:28.17Cyrannian~smash OluapPlayer
20:28.18infobotACTION flings an anvil in OluapPlayer's general direction
20:29.12DrodoAwaytest
20:29.19DrodoAwaytest
20:29.23GhelTechnobliterator: Yeah, I can help. What you've got so far sounds fine to me. Although - as commonly used on the wiki as it is - using "third dimension" and "fifth dimension" to refer to places doesn't sound very scientific.
20:29.28DrodoAwayHoly shit I've had this channel open for like three days
20:29.35Technobliteratorone sec
20:29.46Technobliteratoralthough, what would you suggest as an alternative?
20:29.47XhoDrodoEmpire: go the fok to slee[
20:29.57Xhosleep even
20:30.03DrodoEmpireI have been asleep <.<
20:30.19GhelCharles_Murray: Wormy's worst nightmare - computers that know what you're really thinking.
20:30.25DrodoEmpireWhen I'm away I'm either asleep or at school or in town, basically
20:30.57Gheldrom_: I've never used online tools in a project, but I've always mentioned what software I've used.
20:32.32GhelTechnobliterator: Either "Realspace" or (going by the Planes of Existence page) "the Realitos Realm" is a well-established term for what you might mean by "the third dimension", depending on whether or not you mean to include hyperspace.
20:33.08Technobliteratorah, alright
20:33.27GhelAs for "the fifth dimension", what that really refers to is the whole of five-dimensional space outside of realspace+hyperspace.
20:33.55drom_Ghel: That is nice
20:34.21ImperiosOluapPlayer: BTW since you asked yesterday about Finland
20:34.48OluapPlayerbepis
20:34.49ImperiosBasically, after the Russian Empire fell, the Soviet Union came to reconquer all territories that were lost during the Revolution
20:35.14ImperiosIt succesfully conquered Ukraine, Belarus, all the Baltic states and Central Asia, and basically reclaimed everything
20:35.18ImperiosWith one exception
20:35.23GhelBesides "holospace" and "Sequencium", I don't know if we've ever given five-dimensional space another name.
20:35.35ImperiosFinland
20:36.09OluapPlayerspurdo is victory
20:36.35Imperioshttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Finnish_areas_ceded_in_1940_RUS.png We only got tiny pieces of Benisland a bit north of where I live
20:36.54ImperiosBasically just a few more kilometers of land to get to Finland
20:37.32DrodoEmpireHuh
20:38.02ImperiosOluapPlayer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benis I like how there's one vandal edit that noone cares to delete
20:38.28OluapPlayerlel
20:38.43Imperios"A major part of Benisi culture are the annual Perkele and Ebin festivals that are held at the headquarters of the Benis Charity Organization."
20:39.43MonetDecided to get back into Alien Isolation a little and I'm back at the hospital level.
20:40.19ImperiosOliapPlayer: http://s.pikabu.ru/post_img/2014/01/02/1/1388610607_1643625289.jpg
20:40.21MonetAs if sharing an empty, abandoned hospital ward with a Xenomorph isn't creepy enough - the first section is a psychiatric ward.
20:40.59OluapPlayerhur
20:41.34ImperiosI remember a big picture that uses some crazy logic to postulate that Finland is the last heir to Rome
20:41.53MonetThe alien is stalking me in a space mental clinic!
20:42.00Imperioshttp://i.imgur.com/eNuUdTd.png OluapPlayer Monet: there
20:43.01OluapPlayerave benis
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20:43.24The_RandomnessHello
20:43.27GhelHello.
20:43.38CyrannianHi
20:43.53OluapPlayerMonet: "There's a xenomorph chasing me"            "nah you're just crazy"
20:44.23MonetThat's not what makes it creepy but it helps.
20:48.12MonetThough I kind of like how nondescript the alien is. It's never "xenomorph" "xeno" or "alien"
20:48.32Monet"creature" "thing" "killer" "it"
20:49.01Monetthose four make it feel less normal.
20:50.00HachimanWell
20:50.13HachimanThey named them "xenomorphs" in Aliens
20:50.43Monet"outsider shape"
20:50.51Xhozebomorf :DDDDD
20:51.19XhoOr would it be xebomorf
20:51.20Xhohm
20:52.29MonetBut xenomorph is a military designation.
20:53.30Cyrannianxho shouldn't be allowed to use smileys, tis too weird
20:54.02XhoI shouldn't really spurdo in the first place
21:00.01DrodoEmpirehttps://scontent.fyhz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14344842_1777093915894488_7864694367692454222_n.jpg?oh=9f069e994812805e5a7c0cd2b22d807e&oe=589CCC41 Canada on the road to ancapistan\
21:00.02DrodoEmpire<.<
21:04.24Tek0516DrodoEmpire: Did you get my earlier message about HoI4?
21:04.47DrodoEmpireI don't think, nope
21:04.57DrodoEmpireIts a bad idea to message me whilst away in general >.<
21:05.34Wormy_Ghel:  Well don't blurt it lout loud (non private)
21:05.38Wormy_*out
21:08.28Wormy_now I'm dooomed
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21:12.28Wormy_http://thetab.com/uk/2016/10/18/idiot-meninist-says-women-control-bladders-instead-getting-tax-free-tampons-22913?utm_source=studentxpost&utm_medium=babe&utm_campaign=xpost
21:12.48Wormy_Yes, I fell for clickbait
21:12.56HachimanIn fairness
21:13.01HachimanThat guy is a genuine fucktard
21:13.33Hachiman19 years old and has a girlfriend yet apparently doesn't know that the vagina isn't hooked up to the bladder
21:14.59Wormy_yeah, there's a word for people like that: wazzock
21:15.29The_Randomnessfirst time I've heard that one
21:15.38HachimanImpyDroid2: https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14731260_1112121352169993_6448604103287932047_n.jpg?oh=ec4d63aa25e6be7852553735f8e4a32d&oe=589F2E8F
21:15.53Wormy_Midlands dialect
21:20.44Wormy_Meet Parrot Man, he had his eats cut off and is going to have his nose converted to a beak http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7626176.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PAY-Ted-Richards-Parrotman-plastic-surgery-Parrot.jpg
21:21.17Wormy_https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/ad_184750689.jpg
21:22.05Xhoseems like an interesting bloke
21:22.26Wormy_His point is that its normal to go out and ruin your kidneys or liver on alcohol
21:22.42Wormy_And that his bright colours make people happy
21:22.46Technobliteratorit took that long for titanpad to crash?
21:22.47Wormy_Yes
21:22.49TechnobliteratorWow, I'm actually impressed
21:23.02Wormy_I was responding to Spu
21:23.24OluapPlayerI ain't clicking that
21:23.25OluapPlayerSounds gross
21:23.56Wormy_he just looks eccentric
21:24.30TechnobliteratorI'm getting lagspikes
21:24.33Technobliteratorit's the wifi here
21:24.45OluapPlayerNom it's titanpad being shit
21:24.47OluapPlayerNo*
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21:55.57Tek0516DrodoEmpire: I was trying to say earlier that today's HoI4 dev diary was focused on Canada, including showing off its new and massive focus tree. http://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/200098/can_dd_tree.jpg
22:19.33Charles_BotTek0516: why is the focus tree so big
22:19.47Charles_BotPaid Dlc op pls nerf
22:19.52Charles_BotToo many choices
22:19.59Charles_BotFrance only one good choice
22:22.56DrodoEmpireTek: :o
22:23.48DrodoEmpire"Halifax Shipyards"
22:23.50DrodoEmpireAYYYYY
22:24.33DrodoEmpire(I live in the smallest province in the country-- I sorta have to cheer whenever its referenced <.<)
22:25.16Tek0516Charles_Bot: From the sound of the Dev Diary they're expanding them all to be less "inflexible"
22:25.39Charles_BotYeeeeeees
22:25.41Charles_BotPls
22:25.59Charles_BotThat focus tree is awesome though
22:26.08Charles_BotReally want to see what they're going to do for France
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22:33.26Wormy_huh weird, a fly just fell in my hair, buzzed and died
22:34.16CyrannianYou need new shampoo
22:34.45Technobliteratornormally, Titanstupid crashes way faster than this
22:34.50XhoWormy_: I dunno why but I laughed hard
22:35.56Wormy_Didn't know I was this poisonnous
22:40.01Tek0516Charles_Bot: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hoi4-development-diary-october-19th-2016.975650/ Full dev diary if you want a read. Apparently they're adding a tree for all the commonwealth nations.
22:48.00Monethttps://youtu.be/Rb_shsdVA4I?t=1m43s I think I've found a possible site for the DI's North American base.
22:53.36Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Borealis_Galactic_War/Prologue#Volzara.27s_Retribution And, the prologue is done :ooo
22:54.35OluapPlayerwoo
23:00.10CyrannianTaking a loot
23:00.12Cyrannian*look
23:01.07Wormy_waptor the magpie
23:01.32XhoI used Maktanshatin's quote there for Angazhar's top quote
23:01.41XhoCause it went 10/10 dark there
23:03.34DrodoEmpireMonet: hur
23:04.40CyrannianVery nice work u guise
23:05.25XhoYou could not have read all of that in 4 minutes
23:05.52OluapPlayerIt's been 11 minutes tho
23:05.52CyrannianStill reading
23:06.01XhoOh shit my life
23:06.02OluapPlayerlern 2 time
23:06.16OluapPlayerHachiman: chek prologue ending
23:08.25MonetI count four and a half minutes between "taking a look" and "very nice work"
23:09.01OluapPlayerRegardless, that part is done
23:09.11OluapPlayerNow we move to the part everyone else comes in
23:10.13Xho"Our links to the Corruptus will not be erased."                   Krathazhrukhal - HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
23:10.56OluapPlayerKolossus - eh
23:14.22OluapPlayerHm gonna have to figure out the timespans of the new war
23:14.26XhoFunniest thing is
23:14.35OluapPlayerThey're already different compared to the original
23:14.38XhoAngazhar's lines can be condensed into a monologue without any other interaction
23:14.45TechnobliteratorIn the original, it lasted years
23:15.10OluapPlayerThe original's Xi'Arazulha part lasted 2 years
23:15.22OluapPlayerThe new one is like a few weeks at most
23:15.32Technobliteratoryeah, it made no sense for the original to last long
23:15.40TechnobliteratorSince if it lasted long, the whole galaxy would be eaten
23:15.50OluapPlayerAlso the original's Xi'Arazulha part started a year later
23:15.57OluapPlayerBecause we already had a year-long prologue
23:16.00Technobliteratormhm
23:16.08Technobliteratorwhich made no sense either, tbh
23:16.23Technobliteratorthere was actually so much bad writing in the war that I forgot about
23:16.38OluapPlayerMaybe we can have the Vague part be longer than the original to compensate
23:16.56TechnobliteratorI would agree with that
23:17.10TechnobliteratorI think that this time, the Vague should  be less organized and more chaotic
23:17.16TechnobliteratorSo, they attack places a lot more randomly
23:17.26Technobliteratorbecause they have little control over themselves at that point
23:17.31OluapPlayerThat and they're overall more of a match than the Xi'Arazulha
23:17.41OluapPlayer+ gives time for everyone else to do their own war
23:17.43OluapPlayers
23:18.30Technobliteratormhm, yeah
23:18.37TechnobliteratorAlso, Business of War could be a tad longer?
23:18.45OluapPlayerCould be
23:18.57TechnobliteratorSince that's supposed to be a fairly long process, everyone overthrows their government, then suddenly they decide to turn on the last big government remaining
23:19.21OluapPlayerYeah it probably happened too fast in the original
23:19.44TechnobliteratorI mostly rushed it
23:20.04TechnobliteratorIt was the first part that got people really excited in the original war, and I rushed it
23:20.05OluapPlayerWe had that part of the war done in like, a week?
23:20.10Technobliteratormhm
23:20.15TechnobliteratorIt was really dumb on my part
23:20.25OluapPlayerWell you didn't really rushed it, we just got it done REALLY fast
23:21.09Technobliteratoryeah, because people actually enjoyed that one
23:21.15Technobliteratorso I was really enthusiastic as well
23:21.32Technobliteratorwith the Wrath of Gods, the other one people liked a lot, we had a much better pace
23:21.34OluapPlayerOkay so in the new version we have Coming of the Vague last from late 2784 to 2787, Business of War from 2787 to 2788, and Wrath of Gods from 2788 to the ending
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23:23.17TechnobliteratorHm
23:23.25TechnobliteratorI think it makes more sense for Business of War to last longer
23:24.16OluapPlayerI imagine one half of 2787 is Vague, the other is Business
23:25.02TechnobliteratorI mean, it would take quite a while to convince everyone to suddenly overthrow their government
23:25.32OluapPlayer6-8 months is a long time
23:25.59TechnobliteratorFair enough
23:26.17Wormy_night
23:26.18MonetHow about reestablishing a government?
23:26.26TechnobliteratorMy idea was that it happens partly because of Zaarkhun's propaganda, and partly because everyone gets sick of their governments due to war rationing
23:26.49Technobliteratoramong a few other things
23:27.06Technobliteratorbut the Zoles resist it because despite rationing, they're still really well off
23:28.29MonetCould be worth researching how rationing has been received in the past. Though I speak from a perspective that war rationing in the 1940s UK wasn't met with mass outcry
23:28.35OluapPlayerAlso because they've over 10,000 years of experience with wars
23:29.23MonetThen again part of Britain's attitude from rationing came from the government's Dig for Victory campaign.
23:30.50MonetSo by the sound of it, the Zoles Imperium would have a mentality fit for sustaining a long period of rationing.
23:31.14OluapPlayerIt's far from the first armed conflict they've been through
23:32.09TechnobliteratorIt's easy to make everyone hate the Zoles and want to destroy them for free as well
23:32.23TechnobliteratorThey've also probably gotten sick of the Zoles telling them what to do all the time
23:33.03OluapPlayerThe Zoles don't order people around
23:33.14OluapPlayerThe Niaka Special Forces do
23:33.19MonetThe Zoles are highly influential though
23:33.33OluapPlayerThey are but they don't impose authority on other nations
23:33.56TechnobliteratorNot authority, but they still probably represent everything that people have come to hate at that point
23:33.57OluapPlayerThe Niaka do it all the time though, and their popularity at the time of the war was not too good
23:34.03Technobliteratormaking everyone want to destroy them
23:35.41MonetNot ordering about, not imposing authority, but the Zoles' military power and wartime significance means other nations might feel they're somehow subordinate to the Zoles Imperium.
23:36.03OluapPlayerMaybe but that wouldn't be the Zoles' own fault
23:36.14OluapPlayerZaarkhun's propaganda would contribute to it
23:38.05TechnobliteratorOf course
23:38.09MonetIt wouldn't be the Zoles' own fault, it's a side-effect of being the top regional power.
23:38.13Technobliterator^
23:38.55Monet“A man with no enemies is a man with no character.”
23:38.55Monet― Paul Newman (I was browsing quotes if this seems random)
23:39.22OluapPlayerThey got many enemies even before the Business part
23:39.48Cyranniannightie night
23:39.56DrodoEmpireWhat's all this about? :o
23:40.07OluapPlayerBorealis War
23:43.36MonetDrodoEmpire: We're considering how by the time of Business of War everyone would turn against the Zoles. Who represent the last native nation in Borealis to not be struggling form rationing and prolonged wartime governorship.
23:44.24DrodoEmpireAh
23:44.46DrodoEmpireWhen did the Borealis War take place?
23:44.49DrodoEmpireJust curious
23:45.09TechnobliteratorWell, they do have war rationing, just their people aren't suffering for it
23:47.07OluapPlayerFrom 2784 to 2791
23:52.15DrodoEmpireAhh

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