| 00:00.07 | DrodoEmpire | Really? |
| 00:00.30 | DrodoEmpire | Its been a while since I did a little RP shit |
| 00:02.22 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: Brabant trying to get independent. Had France, England and Venice supporting me. Burgundy gave up that PU before I could even hit the button. |
| 00:02.35 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh ol |
| 00:02.37 | DrodoEmpire | *lol |
| 00:04.15 | DrodoEmpire | Hm, one thing that sucks is that the RP server I went on seems to have been long gone |
| 00:04.21 | DrodoEmpire | Which sucks, the people there were awesome |
| 00:04.30 | DrodoEmpire | And I had a really cool rebel character |
| 00:04.46 | DrodoEmpire | At the same time its been almost a year now since I've last been on |
| 00:04.52 | DrodoEmpire | And that'd be a bit awkward <.< |
| 00:33.52 | Monet | Probably a dumb time to ask but I'm wondering what other nations' populations think of the draconid paragons. |
| 00:39.20 | Technobliterator | Loron think they're stupid, because Loron |
| 00:47.11 | Monet | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid_Imperium/Paragon ta-daa |
| 00:48.06 | Monet | Half finished I know but it's late |
| 00:54.19 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo like nobles and monarchs, so they're probably fine with it |
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| 02:58.55 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: So my EU4 ruler died with a 0 year old heir. >.> |
| 02:59.00 | The_Randomness | f |
| 02:59.29 | DrodoEmpire | Fuuuck |
| 02:59.31 | Tek0516 | RIP my expansion plans. :P |
| 02:59.34 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 02:59.51 | DrodoEmpire | Wait isn't RoM out now with its new court mechanics? |
| 02:59.55 | DrodoEmpire | Or is that a paid feature? |
| 03:00.11 | Tek0516 | I do have a Queen Consort as Regent. |
| 03:00.18 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 03:00.33 | Tek0516 | 0/3/5, and a trait for +2 revolt. >.> |
| 03:00.43 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 03:00.53 | The_Randomness | sounds lovely |
| 03:00.55 | The_Randomness | :< |
| 03:02.10 | Tek0516 | Also I'm kind of mad because Flanders gets a bonus to Renaissance spread, but I'm in the Flemish provinces right next to it. >.> |
| 03:02.19 | DrodoEmpire | Shite |
| 03:02.22 | Tek0516 | So no bonus for me. |
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| 03:15.23 | Tek0516 | Oh cool, it actually shows you casualty statistics after the war |
| 03:15.30 | DrodoEmpire | Really? |
| 03:15.41 | DrodoEmpire | Must be a thing they added |
| 03:15.51 | DrodoEmpire | Inspired by HoI4 |
| 03:17.33 | Tek0516 | It also shows the numbers split by battles and attrition. So you can see how many men died sitting in front of the enemy forts. :P |
| 03:17.40 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 03:17.47 | DrodoEmpire | BRUTAL |
| 03:21.03 | Tek0516 | WOO! They got rid of no wars while in regency (while having queen?) |
| 03:21.51 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, I was gonna say... |
| 03:22.15 | DrodoEmpire | I thought that was a central feature of the new thing |
| 03:27.04 | Tek0516 | Unfortunately my expansion prospects are still limited. I have Burgundy and its vassals on one side, and a Trade League led by Venice containing all Dutch minors on the other. >.< |
| 03:31.28 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 04:04.21 | NeonPanda | today begins my learnings of the glorious program known as Blender |
| 04:04.30 | The_Randomness | :o |
| 04:05.18 | NeonPanda | my first objective: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=arc+rifle+skitarii&espv=2&biw=1279&bih=702&tbm=isch&imgil=FQQPO2_8nhHq0M%253A%253BH6FZOSK_MihXDM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.bitzbox.co.uk%25252Fproduct_info.php%25252Fadeptus-mechanicus-skitarii-rangers-arc-rifle-p-101&source=iu&pf=m&fir=FQQPO2_8nhHq0M%253A%252CH6FZOSK_MihXDM%252C_&usg=__i17vNQtTB4MMcL8Neg93x-NQA7s%3D&ved=0ahUKEwiB36O289bPAhXlrVQKHc0oBJcQyjcIJg&ei=7gf_ |
| 04:05.22 | NeonPanda | wow that was a link |
| 04:05.30 | The_Randomness | heh |
| 04:05.43 | NeonPanda | gon make one of those as a Gmod addon |
| 04:05.52 | NeonPanda | after I learn how to use Blender of course, but that's my goal |
| 04:06.15 | The_Randomness | Yeah, Blender is an awesome program, I wish you luck |
| 04:07.18 | NeonPanda | I've got a fair bit of experience with 3DMax, just the controls and menu layout is quite different |
| 04:07.41 | The_Randomness | Ah, alright |
| 04:07.47 | The_Randomness | Shouldn't be too difficult for you then |
| 04:08.01 | NeonPanda | eventually I plan to make a full Skitarii player model |
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| 08:00.36 | Wormydroid | Hi |
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| 10:28.23 | NeonPanda | oh there's infobot |
| 10:28.23 | NeonPanda | was scared for a moment |
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| 11:12.13 | Monet | Hello |
| 11:12.24 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 11:53.28 | Monet | Hi |
| 11:55.32 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 11:55.53 | OluapPlayer | I've arrived to Andorhal yesterday |
| 11:56.06 | OluapPlayer | Seems like it's still as much of an undead mess as it was in WC III |
| 11:58.36 | Monet | It was ground zero for the plague of undeath. |
| 11:59.14 | OluapPlayer | Also tried to pay a visit to Gnomeregan, but noped out of there when I realized every mob was an elite |
| 11:59.47 | Monet | Ah |
| 12:00.11 | OluapPlayer | So yeah the quest-relevant part of Gnomeregan also takes place in the dungeon |
| 12:00.26 | OluapPlayer | -also, not sure why I wrote that |
| 12:03.09 | OluapPlayer | We should add each other on Battle.net. What's your name#number? |
| 12:05.09 | NeonPanda | AGamingPanda#1264 |
| 12:05.17 | Monet | Can't recall my number but my name is GoldenDragon |
| 12:06.18 | OluapPlayer | GoldenDragon by itself gives me nothing |
| 12:06.26 | OluapPlayer | And I added you Panda |
| 12:07.23 | Monet | GoldenDragon#2492 |
| 12:07.53 | OluapPlayer | There we go |
| 12:08.03 | OluapPlayer | Now I just need Imp |
| 12:08.07 | Monet | Sweet. |
| 12:09.08 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.53 | OluapPlayer | Right |
| 12:18.11 | Monet | I might be able to play later. |
| 12:19.02 | OluapPlayer | What's your character? |
| 12:19.24 | Monet | Human warrior. |
| 12:19.44 | Monet | Marcos Ridgewood was based on my WoW main. |
| 12:19.51 | OluapPlayer | Oh I see |
| 12:20.10 | OluapPlayer | Human and dorf warrior duo |
| 12:20.15 | OluapPlayer | We'll have to see what Imp plays |
| 12:20.37 | Monet | Gnome priest iirc. |
| 12:21.01 | OluapPlayer | I'm not surprised at all if Imp is a gnome hur |
| 12:21.12 | Monet | If you need to run through a dungeon I'd be happy to assist. |
| 12:21.28 | Monet | Just let me tank/kill everything lol. |
| 12:21.46 | OluapPlayer | Yeah I want to go through dungeons but I don't want to do it with strangers |
| 12:21.59 | OluapPlayer | What level are you? |
| 12:22.12 | Monet | 97 |
| 12:22.20 | OluapPlayer | oh |
| 12:22.25 | OluapPlayer | You're gonna be carrying me then |
| 12:22.39 | OluapPlayer | I'm at 36 iirc |
| 12:22.47 | Monet | I once carried a pair of level 11s through the Deadmines. |
| 12:23.23 | OluapPlayer | At that level you can probably solo these dungeons, can't you? |
| 12:23.32 | Monet | I have done. |
| 12:23.55 | Monet | I've killed Ragnaros with 2-3 friends. |
| 12:24.10 | OluapPlayer | oh boy |
| 12:24.18 | Monet | (original Ragnaros not Leglaros) |
| 12:24.26 | OluapPlayer | Yeah I figured as much |
| 12:25.15 | Monet | At my level I feel like it would be fun to charge though Gnomregan in my char's underwear. |
| 12:26.17 | OluapPlayer | Heh |
| 12:27.03 | Monet | If anything because in the original Fable you could wager to complete a quest in nothing but your undies. |
| 12:30.17 | Monet | bbl |
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| 13:19.31 | Tek0516 | Hey Charles_Bot |
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| 13:35.56 | Monet | hi |
| 13:39.16 | Tek0516 | Hey Monet |
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| 15:59.04 | Monet | hi |
| 16:12.54 | Imperios | Hi |
| 16:30.03 | Monet | I keep finding cigarettes in my herb garden. |
| 16:31.16 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 16:31.35 | Tek0516 | That's an odd herb to grow. :P |
| 16:32.33 | Tek0516 | NeonPanda: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1476369517-20161013.png |
| 16:32.50 | NeonPanda | accurate |
| 16:33.18 | Monet | Yeah who'd have thought it! A product the WHO is forever telling us destroys our lungs could be toxic to plants if left to break down. |
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| 17:08.46 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 17:09.32 | Monet | hi |
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| 17:53.27 | Monet | Evening |
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| 17:53.41 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 17:56.47 | Wormydroid | Imperios So in my new uni the shops arw filled with international, its weird finding Korean and Japanese brands of European snacks like churros (Spain), fish n chips flavour crackers etc |
| 17:57.00 | Imperios | huh |
| 17:57.12 | NeonPanda | freaking churros |
| 17:57.18 | NeonPanda | they're everywhere over here |
| 17:57.20 | Wormydroid | But also some more native things like corn tea (wheat) |
| 17:57.32 | NeonPanda | Maccas had churros for a while |
| 17:58.07 | Wormydroid | Churros are like purely the nice parts of fresh doughnuts |
| 17:59.02 | Wormydroid | These ones are made of fried bean curd but its a good approximation |
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| 18:19.10 | Imperios | fried bean curd |
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| 18:19.24 | Imperios | Wormydroid: Fried bean curd |
| 18:19.38 | Imperios | Wow, I never saw fried tofu outside of my own household |
| 18:20.49 | Wormydroid | There's a lot if Far Asian students in my uni |
| 18:21.24 | Wormydroid | So thats probably why I have fried bean cyrd cinbamon churros |
| 18:21.38 | Wormydroid | curd cinnamon |
| 18:23.42 | Imperios | Wormydroid: http://ffoodd.ru/files/090620/jet004.jpg Like this? |
| 18:23.47 | Wormydroid | I'm quite interested in trying this kimchi snack but its hard to make out if its vegetarian |
| 18:24.20 | Wormydroid | Not lile that, they are crunchy and shaped like churros |
| 18:28.11 | Wormydroid | They look a bit like this data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxMTEhUTExMWFRUXGBgbFxYYFxoWGBoZGhoXGBgVGhgYHSggGBomHRUXITIhJSkrLi4uFx8zODMsNygtLisBCgoKDg0OGxAQGysmHyYvLS0rMysvLystLS8tLS0tLzYuLi83LS0tKy0tLS0tLS0tLy0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLf/AABEIAMIBAwMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAbAAABBQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFAAIDBAYBB//EAD0QAAECBAQEBAQFAgUEAwAAAAECEQADITEEBRJBIlFhcQaBkaETMsHwQlKx0eFy8QcUFSNiM1OCohZDkv/EABsBAAIDAQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM |
| 18:28.19 | Wormydroid | Jesus |
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| 18:31.24 | Wormydroid_ | Not even tinyurl likes it |
| 18:31.53 | Wormydroid_ | https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fried+bean+curd&client=ms-android-sonymobile&prmd=isvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDzvyFtNjPAhXJIsAKHTAcDw0Q_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=522#imgrc=33zf63PDysK4lM%3A |
| 18:32.24 | Wormydroid_ | They have that texture to them |
| 18:33.54 | Monet | That's why the URL was so large |
| 18:34.07 | Monet | You were linking from Google images |
| 18:34.43 | Monet | Wait nvm |
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| 18:43.38 | Cyrannian | hello |
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| 18:47.56 | Wormydroid | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/12/man-dressed-as-batman-chases-killer-clowns-in-cumbria/ |
| 18:48.13 | Wormydroid | Batman will stop the Joker! |
| 18:48.22 | Wormydroid | And his minions |
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| 18:56.15 | Wormydroid_ | Funny how thus clowning around business has become like a self-fulfilled |
| 18:56.21 | Wormydroid_ | Prophesy |
| 18:56.30 | Wormydroid_ | https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.vox.com/platform/amp/culture/2016/10/12/13122196/clown-panic-hoax-history?client=ms-android-sonymobile |
| 18:57.08 | Wormydroid_ | Probably started as hoaxes and viral advertising, then hysteria, and finally copycatting |
| 19:05.53 | Cyrannian | Imperios: https://twitter.com/KyloR3n/status/687407728004837376 |
| 19:06.29 | Imperios | >how to hate sand more |
| 19:10.00 | Hachiman | Right, back for a little bit |
| 19:10.16 | Hachiman | Imperios: It bothers me how Hulkling has no actual connection to the Hulk |
| 19:10.32 | Imperios | Hulkling? |
| 19:10.35 | Imperios | As in Amadeus Cho? |
| 19:10.47 | Hachiman | Hulkling as in Captain Marvel's faggot son |
| 19:13.20 | Xho | lel |
| 19:13.35 | Imperios | faggot as in literal homosexual or just gayt |
| 19:13.40 | Imperios | or just weak |
| 19:13.41 | Imperios | even |
| 19:15.44 | Hachiman | Literal homosexual |
| 19:15.52 | Hachiman | He's dating a guy called Wiccan |
| 19:16.39 | Xho | dat a bit homophobic innit m8 |
| 19:17.28 | Imperios | Right |
| 19:17.32 | Imperios | Well technically it's not so weird |
| 19:17.50 | Imperios | Hulk has an entire plethora of side chars that have the same powers but are not connected to him |
| 19:17.55 | Imperios | Outside perhaps of radiation |
| 19:18.05 | Imperios | Abomination, Leader, Ogress |
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| 19:18.39 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 19:19.09 | Hachiman | Yeah but |
| 19:19.26 | Hachiman | Hulkling -> Not connected to the Hulk in any way |
| 19:19.39 | Imperios | He's probably a fanboy or something |
| 19:19.42 | Imperios | But yeah it's weird |
| 19:19.49 | Imperios | I dunno, Amadeus Cho is weirder |
| 19:19.56 | Imperios | Yes I of all people do not like Amadeus Xho |
| 19:19.59 | Imperios | Cho even |
| 19:20.04 | Xho | cho |
| 19:20.07 | Imperios | He does not look like a tragic figure |
| 19:20.08 | Xho | ddsgh |
| 19:20.19 | Imperios | He's a hip dude |
| 19:20.23 | Imperios | You don't make Hulk a fucking hip dude |
| 19:29.24 | Monet | It looks like his codename is based on his looks. |
| 19:29.54 | Monet | "he's green, he's muscular, kind of like the Hulk" |
| 19:32.05 | Monet | Maybe it comes from this http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3388573 |
| 19:34.39 | Monet | When the Avengers disbanded back in a time when Scarlet Witch went crazy and killed a lot of people. Hulkling was one of the original New Avengers |
| 19:35.59 | Monet | Young Avengers* |
| 19:36.49 | Imperios | Xho: What would be the symbol of Asv-Aldz |
| 19:36.55 | Xho | Hm |
| 19:37.04 | Imperios | Hachiman: I'd admonish you for using the word "faggot" but I am like the most homophobic person here anyway |
| 19:37.11 | Imperios | So it'd be hypocritical of me |
| 19:37.16 | Xho | I could imagine probably a golden skull encircled by a blue Ouroboros |
| 19:37.26 | Xho | And feathers possibly |
| 19:37.34 | Xho | Or claws |
| 19:37.35 | Xho | I dunno |
| 19:37.50 | Imperios | Actually though |
| 19:38.35 | Imperios | Drodo is the most nationalist and the most Islamophobic, I am the most homophobic, Hachiman is the most misogynist |
| 19:38.49 | Imperios | Maybe I'm the most racist too |
| 19:39.04 | Imperios | I think I generate like half of controversial racial humour here |
| 19:39.08 | Xho | I have transcended hatred so |
| 19:39.21 | Xho | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/60/AgentNu2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20161013193855 Also I remade Nu |
| 19:39.24 | Imperios | Not counting Luxor who would top all charts |
| 19:39.30 | Imperios | He's our honourary Fuhrer |
| 19:40.36 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/54/Agent_Nu.png/revision/latest?cb=20161013194004 And a png |
| 19:41.04 | Imperios | He looks modern |
| 19:41.40 | Xho | It's not much of an update from last year's model |
| 19:41.42 | Imperios | Oh and Liquid_Ink is the most SJW |
| 19:41.45 | Xho | Actually it's an imitation |
| 19:42.02 | Imperios | Basically Liquid_Ink is the Lenin to Luxor's Hitler |
| 19:42.19 | *** join/#sporewiki Tybusen (8036b6ef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.54.182.239) |
| 19:42.28 | Monet | Heyo |
| 19:42.35 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 19:42.41 | Imperios | Speak of the SJWs, and the Californian shall appear |
| 19:42.47 | Hachiman | Nice Nu remake |
| 19:42.55 | Hachiman | Also I'm not misogynist at all |
| 19:43.01 | Xho | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/36/AgentNu2015.png/revision/latest?cb=20150218194151 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/f1/AgentNu2015_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20150907135500 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/f1/AgentNu2015_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20150907135500 |
| 19:43.02 | Hachiman | That's just my online persona hur |
| 19:43.06 | Xho | Most recent models |
| 19:43.45 | Tybusen | Imperios: oh boy what are we on about now |
| 19:44.00 | Imperios | Nah we aren't arguing, just mentioned SJWs once |
| 19:44.23 | Imperios | I may praise Putin and speak for Russian conquest here, does not mean I necessarily approve it THAT much in real life |
| 19:44.41 | Imperios | I am actually much more critical of Russia, when talking WITH RUSSIANS |
| 19:44.59 | Imperios | With you guys it's the matter of national pride, my country, right and wrong and all that |
| 19:45.47 | Imperios | Speaking of SJWs |
| 19:46.18 | Imperios | I made a coat of arms for Drodo |
| 19:46.28 | Imperios | Which one looks better: this one http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d1/Greater_coat_of_arms_of_Halifaxia.png/revision/latest?cb=20161013165026 |
| 19:46.33 | Imperios | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/3e/Greater_Halifaxian_arms_%28Golden%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20161013171658 or this one? |
| 19:47.12 | Monet | I like the first one |
| 19:47.16 | Tek0516 | New Star Wars trailer! https://youtu.be/sC9abcLLQpI |
| 19:47.30 | Monet | Tek0516: saw |
| 19:47.36 | Monet | Gets e worried though |
| 19:47.52 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/2e/AgentNu.png/revision/latest?cb=20120629210636 Oh wow that's the oldest Nu model |
| 19:47.52 | Tybusen | Imperios: I like the second one personally |
| 19:48.18 | Monet | Nu - I made it myself |
| 19:49.11 | Imperios | THis got to be my favourite coat of arms by far |
| 19:49.16 | Imperios | It looks so neat and has so many cool features |
| 19:50.21 | Monet | If we're speaking of whose the biggest what, I'm probably the biggest elitist. |
| 19:50.59 | Xho | I'll take biggest nihilist |
| 19:51.04 | Xho | Which in itself is an oxymoron |
| 19:51.13 | Xho | Biggest oxymoron then |
| 19:51.39 | Tybusen | more like biggest moron amirite hehehehhheehh |
| 19:51.41 | Monet | Maybe it is a persona. In real life I pride myself on how polite I like to be. |
| 19:53.01 | Monet | Or that's my innate British reservedness. |
| 19:54.39 | Tybusen | I've been thinking about utilizing the Adriana Nebula more as a setting for sort of space Old West style fiction |
| 19:55.19 | Tybusen | Or kind of a gritty frontier region |
| 19:55.49 | Imperios | >Adriana Nebula |
| 19:56.25 | Tybusen | A constant struggle for the TIAF-GSC colonists to protect their shit from Adriana criminals |
| 19:56.26 | Imperios | IT should be accompanied by the Marinette Nebula and/or have a race of cat people in it |
| 19:56.33 | Imperios | Hell I'll do it |
| 19:56.41 | Imperios | Can I have Artharons colonise some of it? |
| 19:57.11 | Tybusen | Yeah sure you're welcome to have colonists from any species |
| 19:57.36 | Tybusen | Though the colonies would have to be around the edge of the Nebula since the Pirate Alliance dominates the core of the Nebula |
| 19:58.14 | Tybusen | Also wow Miraculous Ladybug references, did not expect that |
| 19:58.23 | Imperios | Holy shit you got the reference |
| 19:59.28 | Tybusen | I remember being interested in Miraculous Ladybug when it was pitched as a more serious anime-styled series, though now it looks like a Disney CGI cartoon |
| 19:59.44 | Imperios | I'd say it looks better as CGI |
| 19:59.56 | Imperios | I dunno the animation is VERY vivid |
| 20:00.11 | Imperios | If it was an anime it'd just look like every other shonen series |
| 20:00.13 | Imperios | Or shoujo |
| 20:00.23 | Technobliterator | Imperios, what do you think of Putin warning of a new world war? |
| 20:00.35 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Noone will have the guts for it |
| 20:01.48 | Technobliterator | You think so |
| 20:01.49 | Technobliterator | ? |
| 20:02.01 | Tybusen | What initially got me interested in it was actually the anime stylization since it was a Western-produced work and obviously that shonen style isn't super common in Western animation |
| 20:02.12 | Imperios | It's the French |
| 20:02.20 | Imperios | French people like dem anime |
| 20:02.32 | Imperios | *it's French |
| 20:02.37 | Tybusen | actually you're right |
| 20:02.44 | Tybusen | I keep forgetting Code Lyoko was actually French |
| 20:02.54 | Imperios | Them and Italians |
| 20:03.10 | Imperios | They had Winx and WITCH and all that |
| 20:03.18 | Tybusen | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EoRBvdVPQ Italian anime |
| 20:03.45 | Tybusen | I didn't know Winx and WITCH were Italian actually, TIL |
| 20:04.12 | Imperios | WITCH is French |
| 20:04.17 | Imperios | Winx is Italian |
| 20:04.21 | Tybusen | Oh |
| 20:04.34 | Tybusen | Still, didn't know they weren't American-produced |
| 20:05.34 | Hachiman | I thought WITCH was American-produced too |
| 20:05.39 | Imperios | We had our revenge for Winx though |
| 20:05.45 | Hachiman | I knew Code Lyoko was French though |
| 20:05.45 | Tybusen | WITCH does have a pretty anime-looking style but Winx seems to be more distinctively Western |
| 20:05.56 | Imperios | We managed to export OUR shitty cartoon in Italy |
| 20:06.06 | Imperios | And from what I have seen it enjoys popularity |
| 20:06.22 | Tybusen | example of shitty russian anime? |
| 20:06.28 | Imperios | Not anime, just a cartoon |
| 20:06.49 | Tybusen | no, all cartoons are anime, you don't get it you uncultured pleb |
| 20:07.05 | Imperios | Tybusen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFJ_3GbOfi0&list=PLXnIohISHNIsYAtAO9t59PejZqM4n4RZu&index=3 We exported this |
| 20:07.10 | Hachiman | NO |
| 20:07.17 | Hachiman | ALL ANIME IS CARTOONS |
| 20:07.30 | Hachiman | Well |
| 20:07.33 | Hachiman | Actually no it's not |
| 20:07.48 | Hachiman | Because there's CGI anime like Knights of Sydonia |
| 20:08.21 | Imperios | My sis had a toy of Masha and Italian kids recognised it instantly |
| 20:08.29 | Imperios | PAYBACK FOR WINX |
| 20:08.38 | Tybusen | There's something unsettling about this young child |
| 20:08.58 | Imperios | The animation? |
| 20:09.09 | Tybusen | I think it might just be the dubbing |
| 20:09.18 | Tybusen | The English dub is kinda shitty |
| 20:10.00 | Tybusen | I sympathize with this bear though |
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| 20:10.27 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 20:10.50 | Imperios | The cartoon has been criticised for the main character yeahg |
| 20:10.51 | Imperios | Hi Wormy |
| 20:10.55 | Imperios | *The anime |
| 20:11.28 | Tybusen | What's with this reality-warping bear powers |
| 20:11.42 | Imperios | Bears |
| 20:11.43 | Imperios | Duh |
| 20:12.42 | Imperios | Speaking of Russian anime, there has been one VERY interestingly animated Russian cartoon recently |
| 20:12.47 | Imperios | It looks kind of animesque actually |
| 20:12.51 | Imperios | Tybusen Hachiman: https://youtu.be/XufoBC7yzFM?t=172 |
| 20:14.25 | Tybusen | A little animesque though still definitely more Western-influenced in terms of animation style |
| 20:15.27 | Imperios | Russian animation is VERY CGI-centric for some reason |
| 20:15.50 | Imperios | Post-2000, almost all cartoons we have are either CGI or Flash |
| 20:15.50 | Tybusen | I think CGI is cheaper nowadays than 2D if you know how to work it |
| 20:16.16 | Tybusen | CGI has the benefit of using 3D models that are easier to pose once you know how to work with them |
| 20:16.25 | Tybusen | 2D animation is less flexible in that regard |
| 20:17.00 | Tybusen | Stylistically though I like the more defined lines of 2D animation compared to 3D CGI |
| 20:17.45 | Monet | It definitely requires less man-labour, given that animators can set key frames and then leave computers to fill in the gaps. |
| 20:18.14 | Tybusen | Yeah, you don't need to outsource to Korea or something for the tweening, you just have a computer do it |
| 20:18.38 | Imperios | I hate how Korea lacks its own animation tradition |
| 20:18.50 | Imperios | All Korea has is just some kids' cartoons to sell toys |
| 20:18.56 | Imperios | Pucca maybe |
| 20:19.09 | Tybusen | TBF most countries don't have very strong animation traditions yet |
| 20:19.25 | Monet | IN many cases the tradition has its origins with Disney. |
| 20:19.43 | Monet | Or at least, Disney is the inception. |
| 20:19.51 | Tybusen | America practically invented modern animation and other Western countries and Japan happen to be early adopters of the practice |
| 20:20.00 | Hachiman | >Korea lacks its own animation practice |
| 20:20.12 | Hachiman | Has more than India, that's for sure |
| 20:20.22 | Imperios | It animates everyone else, but does not have any memorable shows |
| 20:20.29 | Imperios | Aside from Pucca maybe |
| 20:20.31 | Imperios | India |
| 20:20.33 | Imperios | DESIGNATED |
| 20:20.38 | Tybusen | Actually, the fact that Korea is currently the main outsourcing target for tweening might bode well for their animation tradition |
| 20:20.41 | Imperios | ANIMATING |
| 20:20.45 | Imperios | COMPANIES |
| 20:20.56 | Tybusen | Japan used to be the place that Disney and American animators would outsource their tweening |
| 20:21.12 | Tybusen | And we all know how Japan's animation tradition ended up |
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| 20:21.44 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 20:21.45 | Monet | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_animation_industry "Has more than India" |
| 20:21.50 | Hachiman | Aye; culminating with an anime where butt and breast wrestling with ass spirits is the main premise of the show |
| 20:21.54 | Tybusen | Korean animators will get better at animation as they do they legwork for Japanese and Western animators, and eventually they'll begin to spawn their own content |
| 20:22.26 | Monet | India has like the joint largest film industry in the world. |
| 20:22.36 | Tybusen | Bollywood |
| 20:23.24 | Hachiman | Bollywood yeah, but personally I've never seen a single Indian animated film |
| 20:23.43 | Monet | Its mostly a domestic market. |
| 20:23.46 | Hachiman | Most of what I and a lot of other Westerners associate with Bollywood are musicals and dance films |
| 20:23.58 | Tybusen | I think with Indian animation, it looks like they only really started cranking out stuff in the mid-2000s, which is not enough time for a country to establish an international standing for animation |
| 20:24.56 | Tybusen | Coupled with the fact that the West and Japan are so dominant in the worldwide animation market because they've all been doing it for much longer than some of the emerging animation industries |
| 20:25.30 | Monet | Hachiman: THat's a niche part of the Bollywood industry. |
| 20:26.10 | Hachiman | I imagine |
| 20:26.30 | DrodoEmpire | http://i.imgur.com/EuqNTtO.gifv |
| 20:26.47 | Hachiman | hur |
| 20:27.06 | Hachiman | Indian films are so fucking bizarre yet incredibly funny |
| 20:27.12 | Tybusen | Indian pop culture hasn't made a lot of headway into Western, or at least American markets |
| 20:27.27 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: Ohh yes... http://i.imgur.com/HMyDUGX.gifv |
| 20:27.37 | Monet | One of the most successful Indian films so far looks like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLAE16SF2_GZ2EgFHIbSt8cOtEdTPtNk9Z&v=sOEg_YZQsTI |
| 20:27.47 | Tybusen | Which I think results in Bollywood getting associated with the niche films that manage to get to Western audiences due to their sheer ridiculousness |
| 20:27.57 | DrodoEmpire | I suppose |
| 20:28.11 | Hachiman | Indian action movies are probably made with an amount of self-awareness and parody for Western action movies |
| 20:28.15 | DrodoEmpire | But at the same time there's nothing wrong with absurd comedy |
| 20:28.25 | DrodoEmpire | I can imagine |
| 20:28.46 | Monet | Hachiman: Well it makes some sense. |
| 20:28.57 | Monet | Consider how outlandish the Ramayana can be. |
| 20:28.59 | Tybusen | Right, but the more absurd Indian films are currently the ones most likely to make it to Western audiences because the Internet likes weird things and it also reinforces their views on Bollywood as full of dance sequences and musicals |
| 20:29.11 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 20:29.14 | DrodoEmpire | Sure |
| 20:29.54 | Tybusen | And I think it's going to continue that way until Indian filmmaking starts to gain a wider appeal in the West |
| 20:30.04 | Hachiman | I'm honestly kinda surprised that Slumdog Millionaire wasn't actually a Bollywood production |
| 20:30.45 | Monet | Aren't subbed films generally rather niche in the States? |
| 20:31.03 | DrodoEmpire | I'd be happy to see other, more serious work from Bollywood get successful here, but I don't see a problem really in the meantime. |
| 20:31.06 | Tybusen | Yeah, in the States, foreign films in general struggle to gain any traction |
| 20:31.07 | Hachiman | They are; it's honestly a surprise that Shin Godzilla got a subbed showing there recently |
| 20:31.38 | Hachiman | I'm fucking miffed that Shin Godzilla is likely to get showings in UK theatres |
| 20:31.43 | Hachiman | unlikely* |
| 20:31.51 | Tybusen | Japanese live-action tends to be subpar compared to their animated works, but as for films from other parts of the West, there's a lot of quality there that gets unnoticed because they don't speak English |
| 20:32.12 | Imperios | Monet: Sorry to break the conversation, but the Paragon page you made kind of made me wonder if I could write more about early Radeon history |
| 20:33.01 | Tybusen | Hachiman: Though Godzilla getting a screening in the US is hardly surprising since Godzilla does have a place in American pop culture |
| 20:33.13 | Monet | From what I understand, European films in America = Weird postmodern philosophical bullshit that makes Anglospheric arthouse look tame. |
| 20:33.20 | Hachiman | That's true, especially just after the recent American Godzilla film which did so well |
| 20:33.33 | Imperios | I just had an idea that before the Clericarchs, early Radeon socities were ruled by long-lived queens who servds as lawmakers and administrators, aided by mostly male military orders who enforced their will |
| 20:33.40 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Yeah, sorta >.< |
| 20:33.49 | DrodoEmpire | Really pretentious arthouse flicks |
| 20:33.53 | Hachiman | Can you imagine my face when I discovered that Hideaki Anno directed Shin Godzilla |
| 20:34.17 | Tybusen | Monet: The most prominent foreign film that I can remember in recent history was The Untouchables, which was a French film |
| 20:34.25 | Monet | I once got the chance to see what was on at a Cinema in Reykjavik. I'd say there was a mix of Oscar-worthy biopics and wierd stuff. |
| 20:34.28 | Imperios | Since warriors have a pretty short lifespan, and Radeon lifespan is fucking long, women who are exempt from fighting could take the reins as more long-lived experienced rulers |
| 20:34.54 | Tybusen | Hachiman: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O-LscTdVJ8E/UuS4dSs5ojI/AAAAAAAAAXw/EFxKZbpM1og/s1600/End_of_Evangelion_Shinji_Ikari_OMG_WTF_WTH_HERP_DERP.jpg |
| 20:35.02 | Hachiman | hur |
| 20:35.12 | Imperios | Also I had an idea that high-ranked officers, like precursors to the modern Primarchs of the Dei'Ar, would be allowed a night with the queen when promoted |
| 20:35.13 | Monet | I think there was one Icelandic film about a man who had been born from a horse trying to fit in among regular society. |
| 20:35.24 | DrodoEmpire | wot |
| 20:35.26 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 20:35.41 | Imperios | The idea being that the bloodline of the monarchs needs to be reinforced only with the strongest blood |
| 20:35.42 | Hachiman | My favourite Asian film that isn't anime is likely to be The Raid, which was an Indonesian film although it had Danny Boyle involved in the production |
| 20:35.58 | Hachiman | I just really like Asian martial arts flicks hur |
| 20:36.04 | Imperios | And, what with having much longer lifespans, a queen would necessarily have many husbands throughout her years, either at the same time or consecutively |
| 20:36.10 | Tybusen | British films tend to do relatively well in the US but that depends on if you consider British filmmaking to be separate from American films or if they're all in a single Anglophonic filmmaking culture |
| 20:36.12 | Imperios | OR would that be too fetishistic of me |
| 20:36.20 | Monet | Or it might have been this http://karolinafund.tumblr.com/post/33080004698/horseman-icelandic-movie-by-benedikt-erlingsson |
| 20:36.45 | Tybusen | Hell, Harry Potter, which is one of the biggest cultural fixtures of the Millenial generation, is super duper British |
| 20:37.06 | Hachiman | Yeah but the books were present before the movies |
| 20:37.15 | Hachiman | Still, the films helped sell books |
| 20:37.33 | Monet | Tybusen: The British film industry these days is more about supporting other film projects. |
| 20:37.56 | Monet | As powerful and world-renowned as Pinewood is, most of the time it's developing projects for American directors. |
| 20:38.03 | Imperios | And speaking of Asian movies |
| 20:38.06 | Imperios | FUCKING GREAT WALL |
| 20:38.08 | Imperios | HAVE YOU SEEN THAT SHIT |
| 20:38.14 | DrodoEmpire | Nope |
| 20:38.16 | Tybusen | maaaaaatt damon! |
| 20:38.18 | DrodoEmpire | How is it? |
| 20:38.19 | Monet | YES I MEAN WOT! |
| 20:38.29 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: Matt Damon is the main character |
| 20:38.36 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 20:38.41 | DrodoEmpire | I heard of it |
| 20:38.43 | Imperios | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avF6GHyyk5c OBSERVE THE SHI |
| 20:38.44 | Hachiman | I think I remember my multimedia tutor saying that a lot of British talent is outsourced to work on the technical parts of American movies like CGI and such |
| 20:38.45 | Imperios | THE EXCREMENT |
| 20:38.55 | Monet | Matt Damon the white Chinese general guarding the Great Wall from demons from Mongolia. |
| 20:39.19 | Hachiman | To be fair, I don't think Damon is meant to be playing a Chinese character |
| 20:39.27 | Imperios | Monet: The new trailer introduced something worse |
| 20:39.35 | Imperios | IT introduced color-coded Chinese warriors |
| 20:39.43 | Monet | Imperios: ...eh? |
| 20:39.43 | Imperios | Literally a Chinese general in pink-coloured armour |
| 20:40.03 | Monet | Hachiman: I was told similar about the British film industry |
| 20:40.17 | Imperios | Monet: https://youtu.be/avF6GHyyk5c?t=24 behold |
| 20:40.22 | Monet | Rogue One's director graduated from my university. |
| 20:41.12 | Imperios | Putin graduated from my university |
| 20:41.15 | Imperios | Get on my level please |
| 20:41.30 | Tybusen | Matt Damon's character at least seems to be white rather than supposedly Asian |
| 20:41.49 | Monet | I can post A list of big films my uni's alumni worked on if you like :> |
| 20:41.53 | Tybusen | But hell, it looks like more than half of the "main" cast is white |
| 20:42.28 | Tybusen | Hollywood seems to be allergic to Asian leads |
| 20:43.07 | Tybusen | Even Doctor Strange replaced a Tibetan character with Tilda Swinton |
| 20:43.41 | Monet | To be fair on that one, the Ancient One is a bit of a stereotype. |
| 20:43.54 | Tybusen | There was that one film Forbidden Kingdom that was originally going to have an Asian lead but then Jackie Chan told them to make the main character white |
| 20:44.25 | Tybusen | Monet: True but you have to ask if whitewashing the character is better than going with a stereotypical "Asian mystic" character |
| 20:44.49 | Monet | possibly if you want to make money in China. |
| 20:45.09 | Tybusen | As far as ethnic stereotype characters go, Asian mystic is relatively inoffensive in my eyes |
| 20:45.16 | Tybusen | Well yeah of course they did it because of China |
| 20:45.30 | DrodoEmpire | Half seems like quite the overstatement :p |
| 20:45.41 | Tybusen | They said themselves that the Ancient One's Tibetan ties make the character a political minefield |
| 20:46.01 | DrodoEmpire | But I don't want to get in to a stupid argument |
| 20:46.27 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: In that trailer at least I counted three white people that seemed to be prominent, and only one or two Chinese characters |
| 20:47.19 | DrodoEmpire | Alright, I'll take my own completely subjective count then :p |
| 20:47.36 | Monet | Then again I was looking at older incarnations and found this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/Kamar-Taj_-_Strange_Tales_148_-_Dr_Strange_story_p2.png |
| 20:47.51 | Tybusen | And one of those Chinese characters looks like they'll shape up to be the exotic warrior princess that ends up falling for the white main character in the end |
| 20:49.17 | DrodoEmpire | I counted more like four asian characters |
| 20:49.23 | DrodoEmpire | If we must obsess over race so much |
| 20:49.35 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I get that there is whitewashing in some cases, or strange recasts |
| 20:50.05 | DrodoEmpire | But here, from this one trailer |
| 20:50.14 | DrodoEmpire | You're given an inch and you're running a mile |
| 20:50.36 | DrodoEmpire | (Also you basically made up that overly-specific trope for another reason to be mad :p( |
| 20:50.37 | DrodoEmpire | *) |
| 20:51.14 | Tybusen | It's a specific subclass of a more general trope of "exotic" girlfriends for white leads |
| 20:51.16 | Monet | The Ancient One is now Celtic but Baron Mordo is now black. |
| 20:52.01 | Tybusen | You have to understand that Asian representation in media matters at least a little bit to me |
| 20:52.14 | DrodoEmpire | Right, sure |
| 20:52.16 | Tybusen | Since Asians are historically underrepresented in media |
| 20:52.25 | DrodoEmpire | And I think asian characters should be cast with asian actors |
| 20:52.34 | DrodoEmpire | Because that just makes sense |
| 20:52.44 | Tybusen | And now there's a movie about the Great goddamn Wall and they can't be bothered to write it with an Asian lead |
| 20:53.30 | DrodoEmpire | I strongly sense its a dramatisation of the marco polo thing |
| 20:53.35 | DrodoEmpire | So its whatever to me |
| 20:54.03 | Tybusen | Well yeah, I understand the justification for using a white character in-universe |
| 20:54.13 | DrodoEmpire | A bit of an overused story when it comes to China-- I'd like to see other eras represented |
| 20:54.18 | Tybusen | There's nothing wrong from an in-universe perspective |
| 20:54.30 | Technobliterator | haha stfu stoopid sjw cuck xd |
| 20:54.37 | Technobliterator | ^am I doing this right |
| 20:54.40 | DrodoEmpire | That's not what I'm saying :p |
| 20:54.42 | Tybusen | It's just that, you have to ask, "why exactly does it have to be Matt Damon?" |
| 20:55.13 | Tek0516 | Tybusen: At least according to a quick wikipedia search the character Damon plays isn't supposed to be Chinese. |
| 20:55.13 | Tybusen | It's more about the missed opportunity to give an Asian actor prominence as the lead of the film |
| 20:55.19 | DrodoEmpire | Becuase the in-universe story sort of needs a white actor to play a european explorer, and Matt Damon is a white actor <.< |
| 20:55.33 | DrodoEmpire | Would it be better if there were less of a focus on the explorers? Maybe |
| 20:55.40 | DrodoEmpire | That'd be interesting |
| 20:55.46 | DrodoEmpire | Its too early to tell, though |
| 20:55.58 | Tybusen | The big point I'm making is that the character didn't need to be white, and it might have been better to make the main character Chinese |
| 20:56.27 | Tek0516 | I agree, but I'm just saying that at least they're not trying to pass off a white guy as Chinese. :P |
| 20:56.32 | Tybusen | I understand Matt Damon might draw bigger box office numbers than other Asian actors but this is a missed opportunity |
| 20:56.46 | DrodoEmpire | But he's a European explorer, as far as I can tell. What you're suggesting would require a different story altogether |
| 20:56.58 | Tybusen | That's been my main point |
| 20:57.02 | DrodoEmpire | Or a significant plot adjustment, which isn't a bad idea |
| 20:57.24 | Tybusen | Why is the story written in a way that makes a white person the main character when they could have been Chinese? |
| 20:57.34 | Tybusen | It's a writing failure, not a casting failure |
| 20:58.08 | Monet | Fish out of water, perhaps? |
| 20:58.21 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, the ability to use that plot |
| 20:58.23 | Tybusen | A casting failure would be something like Benedict Cumberbatch portraying Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness when Khan was originally brown |
| 20:59.13 | DrodoEmpire | And also because there's probably more big names in acting that happen to be white and being a big film they don't want to take chances |
| 20:59.20 | Monet | Yeah but originally while Khan was brown he was Mexican when he was apparently Asian. |
| 20:59.40 | Tybusen | I respect Bendytoots Cambridgesnatch's acting ability but I doubt that they couldn't find a PoC to portray Khan |
| 20:59.58 | DrodoEmpire | Wait |
| 21:00.11 | Tybusen | Well yeah, that's a different discussion about Ricardo Montalban playing the original Khan who was supposed to be South Asian |
| 21:00.57 | DrodoEmpire | Khan was more bronzed at most |
| 21:01.33 | Tybusen | And Benadryl Cabbagepatch is pretty pasty, what's your point? |
| 21:01.36 | DrodoEmpire | And you're insinuating a lot of ill-intent, correct me if I'm wrong |
| 21:02.00 | Tybusen | I'm not assuming bad faith but I'm pointing out a consistent trend in Hollywood |
| 21:02.01 | DrodoEmpire | My point is that its not like he was a completely different ethnicity- Khan looked maybe like *really* Southern European |
| 21:02.06 | Xho | So what are we talking about now |
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| 21:02.35 | Monet | Maybe it was this: Khan was a super-human. Maybe there was symbolism in casting a white man as a superhuman villain. |
| 21:02.39 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 21:02.43 | Monet | Hi |
| 21:02.55 | Tybusen | It's not overt or intentional erasure of PoC but it happens and we should try to do better about it |
| 21:03.12 | Hachiman | lmao a chinaman getting upset cus non-chinese lead stfu sjw cucklord :^)))) |
| 21:03.17 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, this isn't my specialty subject by any stretch. I don't really care what people look like- If someone's of a given ethnicity and that's established, cast them that way. |
| 21:03.21 | DrodoEmpire | Again, not what I'm saying |
| 21:03.34 | Xho | So what are we talking about now |
| 21:03.39 | Hachiman | Oh I know it's not what you're saying, I just wanted to join in on Jo's joke |
| 21:03.45 | DrodoEmpire | Right >.< |
| 21:04.01 | Monet | Xho: Race in cinema. |
| 21:04.01 | Tybusen | Xho: Matt Damon as the main character in a movie about the Great Wall of China |
| 21:04.16 | Hachiman | I can honestly understand why the Ancient One was recast because it is kind of a political minefield there and America makes big bucks from releasing action movies in China |
| 21:04.30 | Hachiman | Which is how and why the Transformers movies are always getting made despite being so undeniably shit |
| 21:04.38 | Xho | 1) Race is under-represented 2) I don't really give a shit :v |
| 21:05.01 | Tybusen | Hachiman: I can understand why they made Ancient One white, though it doesn't mean I totally approve of it |
| 21:05.19 | Hachiman | Of course not, it's kind of a shitty decision |
| 21:05.25 | DrodoEmpire | Well know it was a surrender for political reasons |
| 21:05.29 | DrodoEmpire | *well no |
| 21:05.32 | DrodoEmpire | So I disapprove as well |
| 21:05.52 | DrodoEmpire | I'd be perfectly alright with seeing more diverse cast, or rather to see characters cast properly and see more risks taken setting-wise |
| 21:05.59 | Tybusen | I respect Tilda Swinton as an actress but I really wish they could have gotten at least an Asian actor to play Ancient One |
| 21:06.14 | Monet | That has its own political implications |
| 21:06.17 | DrodoEmpire | Rather than a movie on China's best known monument |
| 21:06.24 | DrodoEmpire | Why not a film on the Warring States period? |
| 21:06.29 | DrodoEmpire | That'd be cool |
| 21:06.35 | Hachiman | There is a film about that |
| 21:06.45 | DrodoEmpire | Is it popular in the west? |
| 21:06.50 | Hachiman | I can't remember the name but there is a renowned and popular film about that |
| 21:06.58 | Monet | Cast a Chinese person -> Tibet activists complain, cast a non-Chinese Asian -> Chinese audiences use the race card |
| 21:06.59 | DrodoEmpire | Ah, I might be mistaken then |
| 21:07.34 | Tybusen | I feel like there's a lot of material in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms that filmmakers could draw on |
| 21:07.44 | DrodoEmpire | Oh certainly |
| 21:07.50 | DrodoEmpire | It'd make excellent cinema |
| 21:08.29 | Tybusen | Monet: Right, it's a minefield, and I get that. I just wish the circumstances didn't end up making it so complicated to cast an Asian actor |
| 21:08.58 | DrodoEmpire | I'm with you there, for sure |
| 21:09.14 | Monet | Oh agreed. But it's better to look for solutions than lament on difficulties. |
| 21:09.26 | DrodoEmpire | I think the solution is just to take more risks |
| 21:09.36 | DrodoEmpire | Which isn't something big film companies will of course do >.< |
| 21:09.46 | DrodoEmpire | Because of politics |
| 21:09.51 | Tybusen | Either way there was no way for them to not piss anyone off with the Ancient One casting: Tibetan -> China boycotts; Chinese -> Tibetans boycott; non-Chinese Asian -> "oh so you think all Asians are the same"; non-Asian -> PoC erasure |
| 21:10.07 | Monet | Actually as Hachi pointed out, from a marketing standpoint casting Tilda was the best solution. |
| 21:10.32 | Tybusen | The thing about big movies not taking risks is that I think big movies that belong to strong franchises are the best places to take risks with the casting |
| 21:10.33 | Hachiman | Also, I'll just say |
| 21:10.41 | Monet | "best" as in "least explosive" |
| 21:10.51 | DrodoEmpire | I know its not quite as simple as this because people are too thin-skinned and political to begin with |
| 21:10.53 | Hachiman | The Great Wall is being directed by Zhang Yimou, who also directed Hero and House of Flying Daggers |
| 21:11.01 | Hachiman | And many other movies set in China |
| 21:11.19 | Tybusen | Big movies in big franchises are going to pull an audience no matter what and that's where you can afford to maybe promote some young or underrepresented talent |
| 21:11.20 | DrodoEmpire | I just wish people wouldn't give such a shit >.< If the character is Tibetan, cast a damned Tibetan actor |
| 21:11.44 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: "If the character is white, stop casting black actors / actresses!" |
| 21:11.46 | DrodoEmpire | And move on to the important stuff like personality and plot |
| 21:11.59 | DrodoEmpire | Hachiman: ...What? |
| 21:12.25 | Hachiman | Many white characters in media, particularly from comic books, are being portrayed by black actors nowadays - not that that is a bad thing mind you |
| 21:12.36 | Monet | As I said. |
| 21:12.38 | Tybusen | I wonder if they could have cast a North Indian actor or something and have most of the Buddhist monk aspects of the Ancient One without the Tibetan aspects |
| 21:12.38 | DrodoEmpire | Well, no, if a character is established to be white then it doesn't make sense to use an actor of a different race, unless they are *just that good* |
| 21:12.44 | DrodoEmpire | And vice versa |
| 21:12.58 | Monet | We're getting a white Ancient One, but also a black Baron Mordo. |
| 21:13.13 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: So like a Nepalese person or something? |
| 21:13.15 | DrodoEmpire | Interesting idea |
| 21:13.40 | Hachiman | I mean, look at Nick Fury; the L. Jackson version only existed after the Avengers movie, not before, where he was a white guy |
| 21:14.03 | Tybusen | Hachiman: The Sam Jackson Nick Fury existed before the Avengers movie actually |
| 21:14.09 | Hachiman | He did? |
| 21:14.17 | Tybusen | They rewrote Nick Fury back in the 90s or so |
| 21:14.20 | Hachiman | Huh |
| 21:14.22 | DrodoEmpire | Like I said, don't cast characters who are confirmed to be of one race as another one, unless the actor is otherwise just perfect for the role |
| 21:14.28 | Monet | It was for their Ultimate universe. |
| 21:14.29 | Tybusen | They changed him from the white guy to literally Sam L. Jackson |
| 21:14.31 | DrodoEmpire | In terms of personality, etc. |
| 21:14.52 | Tybusen | Sam Jackson plays Nick Fury because the modern Nick Fury was modeled after Sam Jackson |
| 21:14.56 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 21:14.58 | Hachiman | Right |
| 21:15.38 | Technobliterator | it'll be such a shame when Sam Jackson is no longer around to play these parts |
| 21:15.44 | Hachiman | That's rather hilarious but I feel like my point does still stand; Tilda was probably chosen very selectively because of the controversial nature of the Ancient One in the movie rather than being simply shoved in for the role |
| 21:15.44 | Technobliterator | I can't really imagine anyone else filling his shoes |
| 21:16.29 | Tybusen | Hachiman: Right, Tilda is still a great actress on her own, and if her portrayal of the Ancient One is well-received then it'll mitigate some of the fallout from the casting choice |
| 21:17.34 | Tybusen | Same story with Eggsbenedict Cucumberpatch, he had a good portrayal of Khan so it mitigates some of the racial controversy (though not all of it) |
| 21:18.41 | DrodoEmpire | Well this comes in to my second little addendum |
| 21:18.45 | Hachiman | It's not like there aren't famous Asian people in Hollywood right now |
| 21:19.04 | Monet | There are a few. |
| 21:19.14 | Hachiman | They could have switched the sex and gender of the Ancient One and inserted an actor like Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Donnie Yen, etc |
| 21:19.17 | DrodoEmpire | If the actor is of a different race than the established character, but performs the role perfectly or really well then that's acceptable |
| 21:19.34 | Hachiman | But then there'd be cries of antifeminism |
| 21:19.38 | The_Randomness | zz |
| 21:19.53 | Technobliterator | ^ |
| 21:20.07 | Monet | I can't see Jackie Chan working as the Ancient One. |
| 21:20.08 | DrodoEmpire | Because the race of a character is ultimately only one small facet |
| 21:20.16 | Monet | Donnie Yen...skillwise possibly. |
| 21:20.22 | Technobliterator | these debates really bore me, and never go anywhere, honestly |
| 21:20.32 | DrodoEmpire | I think this is fairly productive |
| 21:20.33 | Hachiman | Well then tell us to go to offtopic |
| 21:20.43 | Hachiman | If you don't want to see it rather than just complain |
| 21:20.50 | DrodoEmpire | And nobody's forcing you to participate |
| 21:20.53 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: Getting to the point where we can do colorblind casting would be great, but unfortunately we don't live in a colorblind society yet |
| 21:21.06 | Technobliterator | It's a public channel, I can complain if I want |
| 21:21.27 | DrodoEmpire | I never said colourblind casting, and my position isn't based on anything to do with racial representation |
| 21:21.31 | DrodoEmpire | Its based on common sense |
| 21:21.41 | Technobliterator | I would say, yes, take it to offtopic |
| 21:21.43 | Hachiman | And you have the freedom to tell us to go to offtopic if you don't want to see what's being discussed anymore |
| 21:21.59 | DrodoEmpire | And, no, I really don't care about race, and none of my friends do either, and none of their friends |
| 21:22.25 | DrodoEmpire | So if we aren't in a colourblind society yet, we're closer than we've ever been |
| 21:22.31 | DrodoEmpire | (Granted there are of course still problems) |
| 21:22.54 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: But Christopher Nolan and Keanu Reeves are colourblind |
| 21:23.01 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: We are closer to colorblindness than any other period in history but that's not to say that there are still big steps to make |
| 21:23.08 | Monet | Making a film is like watching Mr. Bean accidentally perform an obstacle course. For a film to even make back its budget should be considered an accomplishment. |
| 21:23.21 | DrodoEmpire | This debate's getting far too wide in scope, but I'll say this |
| 21:23.41 | DrodoEmpire | The whole point of colourblindness is to not give a shit about race at the end of the day unless it becomes, somehow, directly relevant |
| 21:23.45 | Technobliterator | >tells people to ask them to go offtopic instead of just complain |
| 21:23.49 | Tybusen | Great Wall wouldn't be so egregious to me if there were already more films set in China that had Chinese leads |
| 21:23.52 | Technobliterator | >doesn't go to offtopic when asked to |
| 21:23.54 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 21:23.57 | DrodoEmpire | (i.e a character is black, cast a black actor) |
| 21:23.57 | Hachiman | Right right |
| 21:24.09 | Hachiman | #sporewiki-offtopic |
| 21:24.53 | Tybusen | This conversation started with Impy making a Miraculous Ladybug reference in response to the name of the Adriana Nebula, holy shit |
| 21:25.05 | Xho | Well done Tybusen |
| 21:25.08 | Xho | go to the naughty step |
| 21:28.47 | Xho | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/60/AgentNu2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20161013193855 For those who haven't seen |
| 21:43.34 | DrodoEmpire | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikIeaCE3Ljc - Oh man I used to love this guy's work |
| 22:12.07 | Monet | So as it turns out for that UKIP MEP that got punched, the incident happened a whole five minutes into a UKIP meeting. |
| 22:18.51 | Hachiman | Monet: God what |
| 22:18.56 | Hachiman | Why was he punched? |
| 22:19.02 | Hachiman | I mean, other than being the UKIP MEP |
| 22:19.13 | Hachiman | *a |
| 22:19.50 | DrodoEmpire | Because political violence is the crazy cool new trend :p |
| 22:21.13 | Monet | I can't remember one moment |
| 22:22.13 | Monet | Woolfe was a front-runner for UKIP leadership |
| 22:22.44 | Technobliterator | do people really care about UKIP anymore though |
| 22:22.50 | Technobliterator | genuine question |
| 22:23.23 | Monet | I was more amazed that the punch happened *five minutes* into a meeting |
| 22:25.26 | DrodoEmpire | Aggghhh |
| 22:25.33 | DrodoEmpire | Pyro's voice and face don't match <.< |
| 22:26.11 | DrodoEmpire | aand then he addresses that ten seconds later in the video |
| 22:26.43 | Xho | Technobliterator: https://soundcloud.com/turkeychickensandwich/drum-beat This is why I shouldn't play with time signatures |
| 22:27.08 | Technobliterator | hahaha |
| 22:27.11 | Technobliterator | that sounds crazy as hell |
| 22:27.30 | Xho | 13/16 -> 17/16 -> 21/16 -> 9/16 cycle because this is what I do late |
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| 22:37.24 | Monet | That was quick |
| 22:40.40 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
