| 00:00.18 | DrodoEmpire | Which? |
| 00:00.32 | Quark8 | The short story. |
| 00:02.23 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 00:02.51 | DrodoEmpire | Its basically a short story about a battle between Halifaxian forces and another power in the Drodo territories |
| 00:04.26 | Quark8 | Interesting. Is it one already listed on the Drodo Territories page (the Kingdom of Barangin or the Grand Duchy of Thurinal), or another power? |
| 00:04.32 | Wormy_away | well this is cool https://www.ventusky.com/?p=29.1;-72.0;5&l=temperature |
| 00:05.40 | Kabloey | did you guys ever use a reference (from another media, like videogames and/or TV shows) for your fiction and/or characters? |
| 00:05.56 | DrodoEmpire | Quark8: Yeah |
| 00:06.01 | DrodoEmpire | Its against the Grand Duchy |
| 00:06.09 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah sure Kabloey |
| 00:06.19 | DrodoEmpire | I prefer to avoid it but there's no problem inherent with that |
| 00:06.25 | Quark8 | Okay. What is the Grand Duchy like? |
| 00:06.34 | DrodoEmpire | I figured something like Austria |
| 00:06.53 | DrodoEmpire | I do, however, make many historical references with my fiction Kabloey |
| 00:07.11 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_away: Yeah I saw that earlier |
| 00:07.18 | Quark8 | Ah. DO you mean something like Habsburg Austria? |
| 00:07.21 | Quark8 | *Do |
| 00:07.42 | DrodoEmpire | Yep |
| 00:07.59 | Quark8 | Cool. |
| 00:09.01 | Quark8 | What are the relationships between the various Drodo powers (aside from the Halifaxia/Thurinal war)? |
| 00:09.13 | DrodoEmpire | Not sure yet |
| 00:09.36 | DrodoEmpire | Also I should note that this short story takes place about ten years ago |
| 00:09.51 | Quark8 | ~ 23 NA, then. |
| 00:10.18 | Quark8 | How do the Drodo generally react with outside powers? |
| 00:11.28 | DrodoEmpire | The Territories themselves are pretty isolated, so its not often a subject that comes up |
| 00:11.39 | DrodoEmpire | Generally with a mutual suspicion or hostility |
| 00:11.47 | DrodoEmpire | Or rather, a unified feeling of it |
| 00:12.24 | Quark8 | I see. |
| 00:12.27 | DrodoEmpire | Halifaxia is the one power in the Territories that more or less actively pursue trade relations and colonial ambitions |
| 00:12.56 | DrodoEmpire | That a couple of others do outside trade, but Halifaxia's the largest in that respect |
| 00:13.25 | DrodoEmpire | *That and a couple of others |
| 00:17.05 | Quark8 | Ah. |
| 00:21.13 | Quark8 | Bbs. |
| 00:38.44 | Monet | goodnight |
| 01:00.14 | Quark_EUIV | Well. My Austria game got interesting. |
| 01:02.44 | Quark_EUIV | It's 1630-something, and my ally Savoy got into a war with France and dragged me into it. I'm a co-belligerent, so now Bavaria and Spain are fighting France as well. |
| 01:03.47 | Quark_EUIV | Were my allies not in the war, I would likely be screwed. |
| 01:08.37 | DrodoEmpire | Oh ouch |
| 01:09.57 | Quark_EUIV | I currently have 0 manpower, which sucks. |
| 01:10.12 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 01:22.33 | DrodoEmpire | Hm |
| 01:23.31 | DrodoEmpire | I should get in to airsoft |
| 01:23.44 | DrodoEmpire | There's an airsofting organisation in my province, seems pretty big, pretty cool |
| 01:24.16 | DrodoEmpire | That or paintball, but I dunno if there's the same sorta association around here |
| 01:24.23 | DrodoEmpire | for paintball |
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| 01:27.35 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 01:29.25 | Quark8 | Well, so far the war against France is not screwing me up. |
| 01:39.01 | Quark8 | Crap. Spain and Bavaria peaced out of the war, and now it's just me and Savoy against the juggernaut of France. |
| 01:41.44 | Quark_EUIV | DrodoEmpire: Sounds interesting. |
| 01:41.55 | DrodoEmpire | I think so, I guess |
| 01:42.33 | Quark8 | I've never played airsoft though, and my experience with paintball is... painful. |
| 01:54.27 | Quark8 | test |
| 01:59.31 | Quark8 | The small text in this video cracks me up - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ9CegGtYLw&feature=em-uploademail. |
| 02:29.24 | The_Randomness | Watching a video on Civ 6 right now, the new mechanics and stuff sound interesting |
| 02:31.46 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 02:31.48 | DrodoEmpire | Like? |
| 02:32.02 | DrodoEmpire | (I'll name off the ones they took from Paradox games <.<) |
| 02:32.11 | DrodoEmpire | (And bet money on that fact) |
| 02:32.17 | The_Randomness | Districts |
| 02:32.29 | DrodoEmpire | Districts? |
| 02:32.35 | DrodoEmpire | Like within cities? |
| 02:32.40 | The_Randomness | Nope |
| 02:32.50 | The_Randomness | So, on a tile, you can either have a district, or an improvement |
| 02:32.54 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 02:33.00 | The_Randomness | You can put certain buildings within districts |
| 02:33.18 | The_Randomness | But, your main city doesn't have all the buildings like in previous games |
| 02:33.27 | The_Randomness | They're all in districts now |
| 02:33.58 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh cool |
| 02:34.23 | The_Randomness | This is the video I'm watching btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q9fAlfEh6I |
| 02:35.06 | The_Randomness | Also, depending on how many buildings are in the district, you can put multiple citizens in it to further increase its production of whatever |
| 02:36.10 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 02:39.05 | The_Randomness | The game looks gorgeous though |
| 02:56.21 | DrodoEmpire | Looks pretty stylised |
| 02:56.27 | DrodoEmpire | Which I'm pretty ambivalent on |
| 03:04.35 | Charles_Murray | test |
| 03:06.52 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 03:06.57 | The_Randomness | I personally love it |
| 03:21.32 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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| 03:41.56 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 03:55.36 | DrodoEmpire | Hey again |
| 03:56.26 | Quark8 | Anything happen while I was gone? |
| 03:56.46 | DrodoEmpire | Bot really |
| 03:56.49 | DrodoEmpire | *Not |
| 03:56.54 | DrodoEmpire | Some talk about Civ 6 |
| 03:57.43 | Quark8 | Oh? |
| 03:59.59 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 04:00.05 | DrodoEmpire | Randomness talked about new features |
| 04:00.18 | DrodoEmpire | Stuff like Districts |
| 04:00.29 | DrodoEmpire | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.22 | Quark8 | Ah. |
| 04:07.48 | Tek0516 | The new Civ6 features seem rather interesting |
| 04:21.11 | DrodoEmpire | Hm |
| 04:21.42 | DrodoEmpire | I might need a different name for the pike-and-shot formation of the Drodo Territories |
| 04:21.46 | DrodoEmpire | Other than "Tercio: |
| 04:21.47 | DrodoEmpire | *" |
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| 08:41.02 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 09:45.29 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 10:41.31 | Monet | hello |
| 10:46.12 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:02.41 | Monet | Well this is interesting...seems the world of social media is in uproar that Facebook aren't providing a "Pray For Haiti" style filter like they did with Paris. |
| 11:03.23 | Monet | The incident is horrific I'm in no denial. The devastation is terrible |
| 11:05.45 | Monet | There just seems to be a level of (can't think of the right word) to expecting Facebook to provide a picture filter so you can join the millions in showing your support. |
| 11:08.33 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:13.13 | dino82_ | hi |
| 11:14.09 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:14.49 | Monet | Hello |
| 11:18.32 | Ghelae | Monet: It's probably not the word you're looking for, but it reminds me of the concept of slacktivism. So it sounds like you're saying that there are a lot of people who feel a sense of entitlement towards being able to easily engage in such. |
| 11:19.10 | Monet | Ghelae: Slacktivism sounds about right. |
| 11:20.06 | Monet | At least if I understand the portmanteau correctly. |
| 11:21.31 | Monet | The need to post a flag over one's facebook profile image does seem like a case of operant conditioning. But that might be my cynicism. |
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| 11:23.16 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 11:23.22 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:24.01 | Ghelae | Surely putting a flag over your profile picture shouldn't be too tricky anyway? |
| 11:24.03 | Monet | Hello |
| 11:24.17 | Monet | Ghelae: Exactly. |
| 11:27.20 | Monet | The issue is trivial. Might be limiting to those not tech-savvy enough to use image editing software but the sheer volume of photoshopping guarentees a case of "if you don't know how, ask a friend/online" |
| 11:30.43 | Ghelae | Worst-case scenario: replace your profile picture with the flag itself. |
| 11:32.26 | Monet | Easy. |
| 11:35.37 | Monet | I kind of miss the days when the go-to response to a disaster like this was a public mass for the victims. |
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| 11:49.12 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:49.55 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 11:53.48 | Wormy_ | The 9 deadly seas of Solsys https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuOgl9kWIAA3iVH.jpg |
| 12:12.22 | Wormy_ | Monet: I'm studying databases at the moment so this is exciting https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.04879 |
| 12:13.38 | Wormy_ | I've learned in the past year the experimental power of game engines, whether its for visualisation, simulation, or AI |
| 12:17.08 | Monet | It's quite impressive what AI can do |
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| 12:27.45 | Monet | Wormy_: the argument that NPC AIs are still pretty basic I think is mostly down to practical concerns |
| 12:28.32 | Monet | You want an AI to be smart, but learning routines for NPCs in a shooter for instance might be overkill |
| 12:28.44 | Monet | A sandbox game however offers something different |
| 12:39.54 | Monet | https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/04/4chan-website-financial-trouble-martin-shkreli as much as I'm with many others on 4chan's reputation, I think it might be a necessity. |
| 12:41.04 | Monet | It works as a place to vent and b stupid. |
| 12:41.43 | Cuttlefish | Still talking about 4chan? |
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| 12:42.11 | OluapPlayer | 4chan isn't in any financial trouble. It's the new owner trying to get people to buy the equivalent of premium accounts |
| 12:42.30 | OluapPlayer | Users from 2channel aka japanese 4chan say he's been doing that for years over there |
| 12:46.29 | Monet | I don't know the exact figures but say if 4Chan costs 350mil to run and is earning 410mil, in business terms it's struggling. |
| 12:46.48 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.40 | Wormy_ | Monet: In Fallout 4, I noticed the companions change their demeanor and script based on how popular you are with them, and each is different and react differently to each other. Its a bit more complex than older games I've played. |
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| 12:51.14 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 12:51.30 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:56.40 | Monet | I'm trying ot find hard numbers. |
| 12:58.13 | Monet | Giant companies can be making millions and still be considered struggling - it's all about proportional revenue. |
| 13:09.48 | Monet | 4chan probably is making enough to support itself. But by the looks of it, Hiroyuki Nisimura wants something that is doing better than breaking even. |
| 13:10.05 | Monet | (not in support or anything, just providing a perspective) |
| 13:15.29 | Monet | (and I realise that perspective is probably very boring) |
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| 13:50.05 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 13:53.24 | Monet | Hello |
| 13:59.39 | dino82_ | hi |
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| 14:10.12 | OluapPlayer | spo |
| 14:10.15 | Xho | ack |
| 14:13.00 | Xho | OluapPlayer: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14611017_1323633100993897_7731710235754560319_n.jpg?oh=887d59ea2781f148539cd6ed40b67327&oe=58ABEB1E |
| 14:13.29 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 14:17.43 | Xho | Hm what to do |
| 14:19.55 | Xho | Might as well finish off that Aetheromancy page |
| 14:20.23 | Xho | You think I should put it into a different namespace |
| 14:21.58 | OluapPlayer | Not really |
| 14:22.07 | Xho | hm alright |
| 14:22.22 | Xho | I just don't like all the shit on the page that comes with the general namespace |
| 14:33.56 | Hachiman | https://www.facebook.com/amphetameme2/videos/1750611701889373/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED |
| 14:34.41 | Hachiman | Xho: Can we Eschaton |
| 14:35.32 | Xho | No Imperios |
| 14:35.43 | Hachiman | FUCKING RUSSIAN CUNTS |
| 14:36.07 | Xho | inb4 Imperios nukes the shit out of your account |
| 14:36.46 | Tek0516 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1476022807-20161009.png |
| 14:38.23 | Hachiman | hur |
| 14:39.12 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fantasy_Universe/The_Source/Aetheromancy#Known_Aetheromancers magik m8 |
| 14:40.00 | OluapPlayer | two whole peoples |
| 14:40.10 | Xho | dangerous magic m8 |
| 14:40.43 | Xho | There's also Storm-Chaser and now Daokusk of course |
| 14:40.46 | Xho | I need to do his page really |
| 14:40.56 | Xho | And the Moon King |
| 14:40.58 | Xho | And Kinmo |
| 14:41.13 | Xho | I actually wonder who was more competent |
| 14:41.16 | Xho | Moon King or Maras |
| 14:42.01 | Hachiman | Well, given that the Moon King is a prehistoric demigod |
| 14:42.06 | Hachiman | And Maras was a mortal fish man |
| 14:44.25 | Xho | I think their levels of expertise are different |
| 14:44.45 | Xho | Moon King's areas of expertise would be more on the creative side of the magic |
| 14:44.53 | Xho | Maras was just pure insane destruction |
| 14:45.43 | Xho | In terms of destructive capability I'd say they'd be level |
| 14:45.54 | Xho | Although Moon King has the edge of immortality and actually being alive |
| 14:55.08 | Xho | I don't really know what happened to the Moon King after Storm Chaser |
| 14:55.16 | Xho | I have a feeling he was probably put on trial by Nal |
| 14:57.39 | OluapPlayer | Nal - u did bad Moon King - dont we all |
| 14:57.52 | Xho | Nal - cheeky shit |
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| 14:59.06 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 14:59.12 | Xho | ack |
| 15:00.00 | Monet | Moon King's sentence is to sit forever on the naughty chair. |
| 15:00.12 | Xho | Well he already did that |
| 15:00.21 | Xho | And it was a ~30,000 year sentence |
| 15:00.25 | Hachiman | I mean, to be fair |
| 15:00.31 | Xho | Until Dragostea accidentally woke him up |
| 15:00.38 | Hachiman | The Moon King did actually do anything wrong when he woke up in Storm Chaser |
| 15:00.55 | Xho | whuh |
| 15:00.58 | Hachiman | And Dragostea and the gang managed to convince him not to go on a destruction spree |
| 15:01.01 | Hachiman | *didn't |
| 15:01.37 | Xho | Moon King - strangely attractive mortal convinced me not do destroy north Nal - lemme guess succubus Moon King - bingo |
| 15:01.47 | Hachiman | kek |
| 15:04.07 | ImpyDroid | Xho: So I found out one of the most prominent modern Neo-Nazi bands is ripping off melodies from Jewish composers |
| 15:04.15 | Xho | of course |
| 15:04.22 | ImpyDroid | Well one Jewish composer |
| 15:04.33 | ImpyDroid | Alfred Shnitke |
| 15:04.54 | Hachiman | *Martin Shkreli |
| 15:05.37 | Xho | It wouldn't surprise me if Martin Shkreli was in a Neo-Nazi band |
| 15:06.08 | ImpyDroid | Well technically I am not sure if Triarii are Neo-Nazi |
| 15:06.25 | ImpyDroid | But their fanbase declares their music to be "true fascist art" |
| 15:06.33 | ImpyDroid | And the genre they work in is very much fascist |
| 15:08.38 | ImpyDroid | Xho: https://youtu.be/kcebEz7YBdY Compare this |
| 15:08.50 | Xho | Hachiman: >tfw Fredrik Thordendal only co-wrote one song on The Violent Sleep of Reason |
| 15:08.58 | ImpyDroid | And this https://youtu.be/dRz26XV4e3Q |
| 15:09.04 | Hachiman | Whoa what |
| 15:09.37 | ImpyDroid | Hm? |
| 15:09.50 | Xho | I have a feeling he's been working on SDFX2 or something |
| 15:10.18 | Xho | ImpyDroid: Well the similarities are there |
| 15:10.48 | Xho | Hachiman: But yeah the most surprising thing is that Dick co-wrote 5/10 songs |
| 15:13.12 | Xho | Marten wrote 2 of them and co-wrote 2, Fred co-wrote 1, Dick co-wrote 5 and Tomas co-wrote 8 of them |
| 15:15.16 | Xho | That being said Marten wrote most of Koloss |
| 15:15.58 | Xho | But leave it to Fred to write their most complicated songs of course |
| 15:17.10 | Xho | Bleed, Dancers, Pineal Gland Optics are all his |
| 15:17.46 | Xho | I'm trying to rate how complicated The Violent Sleep of Reason is |
| 15:18.03 | Xho | I think it might either be as complicated as Obzen or slightly less |
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| 15:29.49 | Monet | http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/251464760158277336/E3CD9CFE38D2D8DE2CEAD14FA3E153C93C7FBDD7/ me after constatnly trying random heist missions. |
| 15:31.29 | Monet | The people I often get paired with seem incapable of effective combat when deprived of a bullet-proof armoured car. |
| 15:34.00 | Xho | doi |
| 15:37.22 | Monet | Heists are good, no question. |
| 15:37.38 | Monet | But everyone goes in shooting everything in sight. |
| 15:38.44 | ImpyDroid | Wow, I am actually surprised people did not like Mrs. Peregrine's House |
| 15:39.04 | ImpyDroid | Like... outside of the time travel shenanigans |
| 15:39.12 | ImpyDroid | There is nothing in the movie that is outright BAD |
| 15:39.39 | Monet | Tim Burton's been losing his edge though. |
| 15:40.24 | ImpyDroid | If anything this movie restored him in my eyes |
| 15:40.33 | Hachiman | Eh I've still gotta see it |
| 15:40.35 | ImpyDroid | It rises miles above, say Alice |
| 15:40.46 | ImpyDroid | *,say, Alice |
| 15:40.52 | Hachiman | I've seen Film Theory talk about that time travel aspect to it and I'm not fond of it at all |
| 15:40.56 | ImpyDroid | Granted that is not a very high benchmark |
| 15:41.06 | ImpyDroid | Fond of time travel or Film Theory? |
| 15:41.10 | Hachiman | "You can't leave the school otherwise you'll die because aging and time loop shit" |
| 15:41.26 | ImpyDroid | What is wrong? |
| 15:41.39 | ImpyDroid | Like in a sci fi time travel story it would be odd |
| 15:41.50 | ImpyDroid | In a fantasy story that kind of logic makes sense |
| 15:42.10 | Monet | Well every child is stuck in the day before the Nazis drop a bomb on the house |
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| 15:42.13 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 15:42.24 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 15:42.37 | Hachiman | I dunno, there's just something about that time loop thing which makes me not like the idea of the film |
| 15:42.50 | Monet | I think the looping thing is from the book. |
| 15:42.52 | Hachiman | Or the book(s) rather |
| 15:43.09 | Hachiman | It's like, great, we're gonna spend all of the time in this one location |
| 15:43.10 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: It is not really that much of a plot point |
| 15:43.20 | ImpyDroid | This is a point of drama |
| 15:43.21 | Hachiman | Because if we leave this location, we fucking die |
| 15:43.37 | OluapPlayer | Ping me when we can rp |
| 15:43.38 | ImpyDroid | People actually suffer because of it |
| 15:43.52 | ImpyDroid | You can leave, actually |
| 15:44.05 | ImpyDroid | Just not into a timeline beyond your age |
| 15:44.12 | Hachiman | Right |
| 15:44.19 | ImpyDroid | So if you use loops to get into 2016 from 194e |
| 15:44.21 | ImpyDroid | *1943 |
| 15:44.33 | ImpyDroid | If you are from that time, you die instantly |
| 15:44.45 | Hachiman | I'm also not fond of Tim Burton's latest works because they just seem so |
| 15:44.54 | ImpyDroid | You can move around 1943 |
| 15:44.58 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Big Eyes? |
| 15:45.02 | ImpyDroid | Big Eyes were great |
| 15:45.09 | Hachiman | Didn't see that one |
| 15:45.18 | ImpyDroid | The Alices sucked |
| 15:45.28 | Hachiman | I dunno what to say, they just seem so needlessly and unnecessarily eccentric and weird |
| 15:45.32 | ImpyDroid | But there was that one in between them that was good |
| 15:46.04 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: This one has actually toned out the weirdness |
| 15:46.25 | ImpyDroid | And then there is, well, Big Eyes, which has zero weirdness |
| 15:46.43 | ImpyDroid | Despite the name oddly enough |
| 15:47.21 | ImpyDroid | This one has a creepy aesthetic but the weirdness is toned down |
| 15:47.34 | ImpyDroid | I comparison to say Charlie or Alice |
| 15:47.42 | ImpyDroid | First of all much less weird makeup |
| 15:47.49 | ImpyDroid | *there is |
| 15:47.54 | Monet | Eccentric and wierd is his thing, but that might be the issue |
| 15:47.58 | ImpyDroid | *In comparison |
| 15:48.09 | ImpyDroid | Monet: I think that was one of the reasons he made Big Eyes |
| 15:48.23 | ImpyDroid | Big Eyes is a Burton movie without the Burton-ness |
| 15:48.27 | ImpyDroid | But still extremely good |
| 15:48.45 | Hachiman | I'm not off-put by eccentric and weird, but with Burton it just seems so excessive and unnecessary |
| 15:49.13 | Hachiman | To the point it's not even weird anymore when it comes to Burton |
| 15:49.30 | ImpyDroid | As I said this movie had it toned down |
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| 15:49.57 | ImpyDroid | But yeah it became a cliché |
| 15:50.05 | ImpyDroid | Which is why Alice sucked |
| 15:50.15 | Hachiman | It's like, I watch Nightmare Before Christmas and then it feels like I've watched almost every other Burton film |
| 15:50.42 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlaying: You OUGHT to see that movie though |
| 15:50.57 | ImpyDroid | There is one scene that will make you love it |
| 15:51.05 | Hachiman | Does it involve a succubus |
| 15:51.14 | ImpyDroid | It involves skeletons |
| 15:51.30 | ImpyDroid | Is it okay if I spoil |
| 15:51.53 | Hachiman | I'm not gonna watch it so go ahead |
| 15:52.29 | ImpyDroid | So one guy has the ability to animate dolls and the like |
| 15:52.44 | ImpyDroid | Closer to the finale he animates an entire army of skeleton props |
| 15:52.51 | ImpyDroid | Skeletons vs fucking Slendermen |
| 15:52.57 | ImpyDroid | That scene was Kingsman-level |
| 15:53.02 | Monet | So it might be people don't like it because it's not fresh. It's nothing new. |
| 15:53.16 | ImpyDroid | It is not as dark though |
| 15:53.22 | ImpyDroid | It has ridiculously fun moments |
| 15:53.42 | ImpyDroid | Silly Samuel Jackson |
| 15:53.54 | ImpyDroid | L. Jackson even |
| 15:54.02 | ImpyDroid | Stupid Europeans with their double names |
| 15:54.04 | Hachiman | School for magically gifted people who do not fit in with normal society |
| 15:54.18 | ImpyDroid | NO |
| 15:54.36 | ImpyDroid | I was on the same train of thought when I came to the movie |
| 15:54.47 | ImpyDroid | And hell no it is nothing like X-Men |
| 15:54.56 | ImpyDroid | The main difference is that the kids are not fucking superheroes |
| 15:55.01 | Hachiman | I was more referring to Harry Potter but X-Men also came to mind |
| 15:55.06 | Monet | Miss Peregrine's home does look like Xavier's school for gifted children though |
| 15:55.14 | ImpyDroid | There is very little conventional blockbuster action |
| 15:55.21 | Monet | Maybe with a touch of Tracy Beaker? |
| 15:55.22 | ImpyDroid | Hell that is why I liked it |
| 15:55.29 | Hachiman | >Tracy Beaker |
| 15:55.31 | ImpyDroid | All action that there is is genuinely unique |
| 15:55.35 | Hachiman | God I hoped to forget about that |
| 15:55.53 | ImpyDroid | Awesome scenes are very cleverly made and are not very straightforward |
| 15:56.29 | Monet | ImpyDroid: We're not talking Xmen in terms of cinema. We're talking Xmen i nterms of themes |
| 15:57.23 | ImpyDroid | The main theme is pretty meh yeah |
| 15:57.37 | ImpyDroid | Not because it is in X-Men, but because it is everywhere |
| 15:57.45 | ImpyDroid | The tolerance theme is kind of cliché now |
| 15:58.02 | ImpyDroid | I mean Dawn of the Planet of the Apes did it justice |
| 15:58.03 | Hachiman | Yeah, needs more themes of intolerance in cinema now; where's my Innsmouth film |
| 15:58.07 | ImpyDroid | Zootopia did |
| 15:58.30 | ImpyDroid | This one kind of skimmed through it |
| 16:00.33 | Hachiman | Granted, it is really hard to come up with something creative nowadays without aspects of your work being compared to other products |
| 16:00.52 | Hachiman | which is why you borrow and steal whenever there's nothing new under the sun |
| 16:01.12 | Hachiman | Collage is equally as creative as an individual piece |
| 16:03.49 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman the Blood Raven |
| 16:03.58 | Hachiman | BLUD REHVENS |
| 16:17.48 | OluapPlayer | Xho: get eschaton moving |
| 16:17.56 | Xho | aight |
| 16:18.42 | Xho | Considering I lost the old Titanpad I'll have to make a new one |
| 16:22.25 | Xho | Hachiman ImpyDroid wake up |
| 16:25.17 | Xho | This is almost getting ridiculous now |
| 16:33.00 | Quark8 | test |
| 16:35.10 | dino82_ | recieved "D |
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| 16:41.42 | Quark8 | Hello Charles_Mac. |
| 16:41.47 | Charles_Mac | Hey |
| 16:42.17 | Monet | Hello |
| 16:43.22 | Charles_Mac | "God is Spanish and fights for our nation these days" - Spain during the early years of the Thirty Years War |
| 16:46.03 | Monet | Shame the later years didn't pan out well for them |
| 16:46.53 | Tek0516 | Especially the next century |
| 16:47.25 | Charles_Mac | I'm still reading this article |
| 16:47.44 | Charles_Mac | The turning point where everything goes to shit for Spain seems to begin with |
| 16:47.49 | Charles_Mac | "And then France entered the war" |
| 16:48.00 | Charles_Mac | :P |
| 16:54.22 | Monet | lol |
| 17:01.19 | Charles_Bot | ^.^ |
| 17:44.51 | dino82_ | new chapter in Crossing Lines: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tertius_Bellum/Crossing_Line#Chapter_02 |
| 17:45.14 | dino82_ | Darker side of RAmbert revealed |
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| 17:51.15 | OluapPlayer | Oh boy here we go |
| 17:51.17 | OluapPlayer | Titanpad shittery |
| 17:59.36 | Imperios | http://asdruabel.deviantart.com/art/World-Heraldry-Wallpaper-639161791 Made a purty wallpaper for myself |
| 18:09.16 | Xho | Imperios: There you are get in the damn Titanpad |
| 18:09.24 | Imperios | gefqwfwl |
| 18:09.28 | Imperios | lin k |
| 18:09.53 | Xho | dafuq |
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| 18:18.47 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 18:23.03 | dino82_ | OMG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBPiec7pbzU |
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| 18:34.42 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 18:35.52 | dino82_ | hi |
| 18:38.53 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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| 18:40.50 | dino82_ | hi |
| 18:45.13 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 19:12.21 | Monet | Hello |
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| 19:19.03 | Cyrannian | Hello everyone |
| 19:19.35 | OluapPlayer | ~punch Cyrannian |
| 19:19.40 | infobot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Cyrannian right on the nose |
| 19:20.20 | Cyrannian | ~tickle OluapPlayer |
| 19:20.20 | infobot | ACTION jumps on OluapPlayer, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
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| 19:24.14 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 19:26.13 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 19:26.25 | Cyrannian | Monet: Imperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpDxrew4A0 - If you haven't seen already |
| 19:27.19 | dino82_ | awesome! |
| 19:30.20 | Monet | Cool! |
| 19:31.22 | Monet | This stuff's I think I'm fully converted to BioWare's Star Wars over Disney's reworking |
| 19:32.51 | Cyrannian | I enjoy both, but I'm very glad they're focusing on story in SWTOR. Knights of the Fallen Empire was like playing Mass Effect rather than a MMO |
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| 19:54.23 | Monet | Call me a cynic but these shadow troopers seem included n Rogue One to sell toys. |
| 20:04.45 | dino82_ | bye bye |
| 20:19.01 | Imperios | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/xf0Ai9h.png So I made a Polandball comic for the next contest entry on Reddit |
| 20:19.13 | Imperios | It features rape at the end, you will like it |
| 20:19.57 | Xho | why would i like rape tho |
| 20:19.59 | Xho | wat wrong wit u |
| 20:20.13 | Xho | But dear lord |
| 20:29.59 | DrodoEmpire | Huh, its Leif Erikson Day |
| 20:33.05 | Monet | I can't keep track of all these days. |
| 20:33.44 | OluapPlayer | Leif Erikson Day |
| 20:33.45 | OluapPlayer | wat dat |
| 20:34.03 | DrodoEmpire | Unrecognised holiday in North America |
| 20:34.09 | Xho | hingur dingur durgen |
| 20:34.24 | DrodoEmpire | Erikson was a Norse explorer who discovered America, I believe |
| 20:34.40 | DrodoEmpire | Greenland and Vinland (now Newfoundland) |
| 20:34.41 | Monet | It was like national/international cupcake day on Friday I can't remember |
| 20:34.58 | Xho | nom |
| 20:36.32 | Hachiman | >not knowing Leif Erikson |
| 20:36.35 | Imperios | Monet: https://2ch.hk/po/src/18685102/14760165724020.jpg |
| 20:36.36 | Hachiman | shit son where u been |
| 20:37.36 | Monet | Imperios: Humans need some form of leadership. It's a proven fact. |
| 20:37.37 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: Aristocracy isn't rule by the rich |
| 20:37.41 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 20:37.58 | DrodoEmpire | Its rule by the blue-blooded, most commonly |
| 20:38.09 | DrodoEmpire | Who can in fact be impoverished or far from the wealthiest class |
| 20:38.29 | DrodoEmpire | It also often works in tandem with monarchy |
| 20:38.31 | Imperios | Monet: https://2ch.hk/po/src/18689866/14760403851120.jpg |
| 20:38.43 | Monet | There are plenty of impoverished lords and ladies here in the UK |
| 20:39.44 | DrodoEmpire | Also a Republic is any government where the highest office in the land is elected, which I contend is a broader thing than democracy |
| 20:39.51 | DrodoEmpire | (perhaps the other way around) |
| 20:40.20 | DrodoEmpire | Though I guess they *are* different |
| 20:40.25 | Monet | Imperios: That picture reminds me of how the president of Venuzuela created a peace prize and awarded it to Putin. |
| 20:41.34 | Hachiman | Putin is keeping peace |
| 20:41.52 | Hachiman | There have been no world wars or cold wars since Putin has been in office |
| 20:43.26 | DrodoEmpire | There have also been no world or cold wars since Hurricane Katrina |
| 20:43.27 | DrodoEmpire | Therefore |
| 20:43.36 | DrodoEmpire | Hurricane Katrina is keeping peace <.< |
| 20:43.45 | DrodoEmpire | (your logic >.>) |
| 20:43.52 | Monet | True but under Putin Russia did invade Georgia, Ukraine and is currently bombing rebels in Syria. |
| 20:44.14 | DrodoEmpire | I think there's been a lot of tension, though |
| 20:44.20 | Imperios | Well |
| 20:44.21 | DrodoEmpire | I mean yeah Putin's been awful bold |
| 20:44.29 | Imperios | We are not more militant than, say, the US |
| 20:44.35 | Imperios | THe only difference is that we are more stupid |
| 20:44.38 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 20:44.41 | DrodoEmpire | Fair enough |
| 20:46.01 | Imperios | But yes our news spokesmen say stuff like |
| 20:46.12 | Imperios | RUSSIA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY CAPABLE OF REDUCING THE UNITED STATES TO RADIOACTIVE DUST |
| 20:46.47 | Imperios | ^ They actually said that |
| 20:47.03 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow lol |
| 20:49.16 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire Monet: https://youtu.be/k_kBxyX2Whw?t=30 This guy |
| 20:49.22 | Imperios | Look at the pictures behind him |
| 20:51.24 | Monet | I liked the video demo where it showed every country arround Russia would/could be nuked |
| 20:53.18 | Imperios | That was a show of Russia's anti-nuclear defense system |
| 20:53.48 | Imperios | It is basically automated |
| 20:53.58 | Imperios | Moscow's nuked -> SEND BOMBS EVERYWHERE |
| 20:54.26 | DrodoEmpire | allahy blyatbar <.< |
| 20:54.32 | DrodoEmpire | *allahu |
| 20:58.41 | Monet | You guys are more militant |
| 20:58.55 | Imperios | Well, it is hard to be more militant than America |
| 20:58.57 | Imperios | But we are trying |
| 20:59.21 | Imperios | The difference is that in the US, the populace opposes military intervention, but is powerless to change anything |
| 20:59.41 | Imperios | In Russia, the populace is even more powerless, but is FOR war and imperialism |
| 21:00.46 | Imperios | Monet DrodoEmpire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JjQNMD9rqk I will remind you |
| 21:00.53 | Imperios | This is a legitimate news spokesman |
| 21:01.14 | Monet | Russia didn't get the message that empires are evil nasty things. |
| 21:01.26 | DrodoEmpire | ololololol |
| 21:01.31 | DrodoEmpire | that poem though |
| 21:01.35 | Imperios | SCREW IT, THE WORLD SHALL BURN |
| 21:01.36 | Imperios | MWAHAHAHA |
| 21:02.05 | Imperios | Or rather |
| 21:02.59 | Imperios | OUR LOSSES IN UKRAINE ACCOMPLISH NOTHING! PUTIN WILL HAVE YOU! YOU WILL DROWN IN YOUR OWN BLOOD! THE WORLD SHALL BURN! AAAGHH! |
| 21:03.03 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.02 | Imperios | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGdbaEDVWp0 I found a song that sums up my opinion regarding the American elections |
| 21:27.01 | Monet | I like Scandinavia and the World's take on it http://satwcomic.com/the-little-voice-in-america-s-head |
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| 21:29.47 | Imperios | >Seriously, Humon. If Trump wins you are OBLIGATED to draw America's hair like Donald Trump's hair for the next four years! |
| 21:33.32 | Monet | It's really humiliating that I don't think Trump's wearing a toupee. |
| 21:34.36 | Monet | Arguably the silliest haircut in history. |
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| 21:40.43 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Law_of_Gods_and_Men lotsa writing |
| 21:41.17 | DrodoEmpire_ | I'll check it out |
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| 21:44.34 | OluapPlayer | 'uge edits |
| 21:45.30 | Xho | I was quite surprised Zran Kar took it |
| 21:45.37 | Xho | I thought he was gonna explode or something |
| 21:45.47 | OluapPlayer | Zran Kar - worth it |
| 21:46.07 | OluapPlayer | He got very close to exploding for sure |
| 21:46.16 | Xho | Caligaduro - now HOW TO MAKE A COLOSSAL VOID MATRIX |
| 21:46.57 | OluapPlayer | Though he'd just create a new physical form if that one exploded |
| 21:47.02 | OluapPlayer | Granted it could take some time to heal |
| 21:47.12 | OluapPlayer | So it's good to the team that it didn't happen |
| 21:47.16 | Xho | Caligaduro - need 2 make u explode 4 gud |
| 21:47.25 | OluapPlayer | Zran kar - cant do dummy im god |
| 21:47.33 | Imperios | https://youtu.be/QjZkpm7_kRk?t=21 My life in a nutshell |
| 21:47.41 | Imperios | https://youtu.be/QjZkpm7_kRk?t=19 This one |
| 21:48.03 | OluapPlayer | >Next = The Final Battle |
| 21:48.05 | OluapPlayer | fug.wav |
| 21:48.11 | Xho | ebin.avi |
| 21:48.32 | Xho | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/378/fug.png |
| 21:49.34 | OluapPlayer | yep |
| 21:50.03 | Xho | http://2new2.fjcdn.com/comments/Middle+line+tho+fug+fug+fug+_eb5583cbccafd8e2ff95cbfe9ad1b2c3.jpg Akharavzund |
| 21:50.48 | OluapPlayer | Caligaduro - gonna fug u all ub :ddd |
| 21:51.53 | DrodoEmpire_ | xddddddd |
| 21:51.58 | Xho | Nalashtannylor - no blease stob DDDD----::: |
| 21:52.15 | Xho | Just what the fuck is Spurdo all about |
| 21:52.34 | Xho | https://img.ifcdn.com/images/8f8f40d8afe5b06e1628e305d454ee2879d24504abe3a67b790cc599917f3210_1.jpg Also accurate representation of Thanksgiving |
| 21:58.01 | OluapPlayer | Spurdo is a finnish corruption of Pedobear |
| 21:58.15 | OluapPlayer | Pedobear is one name I've not heard in like a decade |
| 21:58.38 | Xho | benis |
| 21:58.42 | Xho | Ah it makes sense now |
| 22:00.13 | DrodoEmpire_ | All I know the Finns for is their stable country no one cares about and the Hakkapeliitta |
| 22:00.38 | OluapPlayer | Spurdo is used by Finns in their equivalent of 4chan to mock new users |
| 22:00.41 | OluapPlayer | It spread from there |
| 22:02.26 | OluapPlayer | Spurdo is incredibly dumb but it gets me every time |
| 22:02.43 | DrodoEmpire_ | ^ |
| 22:04.28 | Xho | I'll say |
| 22:07.57 | Imperios | SPURDO SPARDE |
| 22:08.01 | Imperios | SPARDA SPURDE |
| 22:08.04 | Imperios | BENISSSSSS |
| 22:08.15 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire_: Do not forget the knives |
| 22:08.18 | Hachiman | >sparda |
| 22:08.19 | Imperios | Also, MONGOLS |
| 22:08.21 | Hachiman | dis is benis |
| 22:08.41 | Imperios | In Russian Finns are stereotyped as speaking very slowly |
| 22:08.49 | Imperios | So I imagine all this with a slowed down, stilted voice |
| 22:09.44 | OluapPlayer | bepis |
| 22:19.25 | Imperios | Monet: About Russia being militarist. It kind of struck me that many Russian nationalists, especially those who are not concerned with race, kind of do not care about what kind of regime Russia has, as long as it is conquering people |
| 22:19.29 | Imperios | And remains stable |
| 22:19.55 | Imperios | Like, they praise BOTH the Russian Empire and the USSR - but the latter only after Stalin took charge |
| 22:20.18 | Imperios | Lenin is despised because he brought down the Russian Empire, but so is Gorbachev |
| 22:20.41 | Imperios | Because both dismantled the *current* conquering Russian state |
| 22:20.42 | Monet | It sounds like they saw Reagan's accusations of Russia being an "evil empire" as a compliment. |
| 22:20.52 | Imperios | Hell, it kind of is, it is used in Russia still |
| 22:20.54 | Imperios | Albeit ironically |
| 22:21.09 | Imperios | We kind of turned it on America, whom we call "empire of good" |
| 22:21.14 | Imperios | In an ironic sense |
| 22:21.24 | Monet | That is clever |
| 22:21.47 | Monet | I suppose its kind of like hoe Margaret Thatcher took "Iron Lady" as a compliment |
| 22:22.29 | Imperios | Monet: http://chronopus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/poster35.jpg Good ol' anti-American propaganda |
| 22:22.40 | Imperios | "The American Liberty" |
| 22:23.09 | Imperios | Kind of interesting how none of the things depicted here are made up |
| 22:23.40 | DrodoEmpire_ | Propaganda's rarely made up of complete lies |
| 22:23.48 | DrodoEmpire_ | Half-truths and exaggerations, however |
| 22:23.48 | Imperios | The judge and the police squashing dissent are supposed to represent the Red Scare |
| 22:24.57 | Imperios | one thing changed though |
| 22:25.06 | Imperios | The USSR criticised the West for being racist |
| 22:25.20 | Imperios | Modern Russia criticises the West for being too tolerant |
| 22:25.26 | Imperios | How the tables have turned |
| 22:26.09 | DrodoEmpire_ | Well, its no secret that the formerly communist states have reacted in the other direction by becoming more conservative |
| 22:27.16 | Imperios | Monet DrodoEmpirE_: http://nfrq.obuwg4y.nruxmzlkn52xe3tbnqxgg33n.cmle.ru/2jmj7l5rSw0yVb-vlWAYkK-YBwk=dGlwb2xvZy85NzU1NDE2LzEyMTY0MTMvMTIxNjQxM19vcmlnaW5hbC5qcGc ...And that's still applicable |
| 22:28.36 | Monet | In more modern times conservatism has equated to being happy with being in the past. |
| 22:29.18 | Imperios | OluapPlayer Monet Hachiman: https://newdaynews.ru/pict/arts1/r89/dop1/08/08/2.jpg Russian nationalists have some... original symbols |
| 22:29.49 | Monet | So when Russia calling the West "too tolerant" makes some sense. It's probably truer than the way the States paints socialism. |
| 22:30.05 | OluapPlayer | kayoss |
| 22:30.22 | Imperios | KILL, FOR THE GLORY OF RUSSIA |
| 22:30.43 | Imperios | The Russian Imperial black-yellow-white flag is kind of popular |
| 22:31.01 | Imperios | Monet: Actually, what kind of flags and stuff do Britain First, BNP and other nationalists in your country use? |
| 22:31.05 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire_: Same question |
| 22:31.23 | Monet | I think they mainly use the Union Flag. |
| 22:31.50 | DrodoEmpire_ | Not really any real national parties in Canada |
| 22:31.56 | DrodoEmpire_ | *nationalist |
| 22:32.00 | Monet | Or the cross of St. George |
| 22:32.05 | DrodoEmpire_ | Except in Quebec, with the Bloc Quebecois |
| 22:32.27 | DrodoEmpire_ | Canada lacks much of a central national identity, really |
| 22:32.34 | DrodoEmpire_ | Something I've never been very pleased with |
| 22:33.04 | Imperios | Isn't that common in American countries? |
| 22:33.08 | Monet | Actually nationalists and racist using St. George as a national icon is a bit stupid isn't it because wasn't St. George from outside Western Europe? |
| 22:33.55 | DrodoEmpire_ | Not... Not really? |
| 22:34.06 | Imperios | >St. George |
| 22:34.13 | Imperios | That's our saint |
| 22:34.19 | Imperios | gtfo we have him on our coat of arms plz |
| 22:34.26 | Monet | I swear the story of St. George and the Dragon took place in either Eastern Europe or the Holy Land. |
| 22:34.43 | Monet | And George was a knight errant |
| 22:34.44 | DrodoEmpire_ | That's like saying its stupid for Mozambique to have a kalashnikov on their flag and for nationalists to swing the flag proudly because the kalashnikov is a Soviet rifle |
| 22:34.56 | Imperios | True that |
| 22:35.00 | DrodoEmpire_ | It remains a strong symbol for the country |
| 22:35.15 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire_: For the country but perhaps not for the Englishmen as a *race* |
| 22:35.25 | Imperios | St. George wasn't an Anglo-Saxon or a Celt |
| 22:35.39 | DrodoEmpire_ | Then its a good thing that nationalists and racists aren't one and the same |
| 22:35.49 | Imperios | Fair point |
| 22:35.52 | DrodoEmpire_ | And that the St. George's Cross isn't a "hate symbol" |
| 22:36.03 | DrodoEmpire_ | (whatever the fuck that limpwristed term means) |
| 22:36.25 | Monet | Not a hate symbol, the BNP just like using it. |
| 22:36.28 | Imperios | Actually, now that I think about it |
| 22:36.43 | DrodoEmpire_ | Right and the BNP were, at least, a very racist party] |
| 22:36.48 | Imperios | It's a bit weird that Russian nationalists use the Romanov flag as a symbol |
| 22:36.53 | DrodoEmpire_ | That got their ass kicked in when their ideas were put on display |
| 22:36.55 | Imperios | Romanovs weren't Slavs |
| 22:37.05 | Imperios | They were German, and their flag is German in origin |
| 22:37.26 | Monet | Okay so St. George was a Roman born in Greece who served under Diocletian. |
| 22:37.42 | Imperios | Well, not the original Romanovs, but they were German by the 19th century, which was when the black yellow white flag was introduced |
| 22:38.17 | Monet | "The episode of George and the dragon was a legend[25] brought back with the Crusaders and retold with the courtly appurtenances belonging to the genre of chivalric romance." |
| 22:38.24 | Imperios | Deus Vult yiy |
| 22:38.38 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire_ Monet: http://66.media.tumblr.com/f2972f5962263746e3ff0a27cf04a505/tumblr_ocmsfkHFwt1vreo2oo1_1280.jpg ...Wow |
| 22:38.47 | Monet | So like everything English, St. George was borrowed form foreigners. |
| 22:39.02 | DrodoEmpire_ | Imperios: ...That's actually completely true |
| 22:39.05 | DrodoEmpire_ | What's the problem? :p |
| 22:39.13 | Imperios | It misses the point |
| 22:39.19 | DrodoEmpire_ | ...How? |
| 22:39.39 | DrodoEmpire_ | Recognising that women are different from men biologically, but that they should be equal under the law is a perfectly respectable statement |
| 22:39.59 | Imperios | You know how in 1984, it is mentioned that the Party twisted the meaning of the word "equality" to mean just physical equality, making it impossible to say that all men are equal |
| 22:40.01 | Imperios | ? |
| 22:40.05 | Imperios | I see same kind of logic here |
| 22:40.14 | Imperios | She's mixing legal equality and biological equality |
| 22:40.16 | Imperios | Which is beyond stupid |
| 22:40.19 | DrodoEmpire_ | Uhh |
| 22:40.20 | Monet | Reading back up on the legend |
| 22:40.22 | Imperios | Guess what, noone is equal |
| 22:40.27 | DrodoEmpire_ | What the fuck does "biological equality" mean |
| 22:40.42 | Imperios | Physical equality, my bad |
| 22:40.47 | DrodoEmpire_ | Here's the thing |
| 22:40.50 | Imperios | As in "my shoes are equal in size" |
| 22:41.11 | Imperios | Thing is, biological inequality should have nothing to do with legal equality |
| 22:41.14 | DrodoEmpire_ | Southern's point is that legal equality is the only one that can be fairly made |
| 22:41.20 | Imperios | So I do not see how the two concepts can be muddled up |
| 22:41.37 | Monet | St. George travelled to a village in Libya where the villagers appeased the dragon by bringing it a sheep, or, if there are no sheep, a virgin maiden. |
| 22:41.48 | Imperios | >bringing it a sheep, or, if there are no sheep, a virgin maiden. |
| 22:41.51 | DrodoEmpire_ | And that societal equality or "physical" equality can't... can't *really* be changed by deliberate action, I suppose |
| 22:41.51 | Imperios | So... a Welsh dragon? |
| 22:42.00 | DrodoEmpire_ | Not without bad consequenceas |
| 22:42.08 | Monet | Imperios: Lol. |
| 22:42.18 | DrodoEmpire_ | Disregarding the fact that most of these inequalities are percieved and not statistically real |
| 22:42.19 | Imperios | Well, legal equality is nil without some degree of cultural equality |
| 22:42.21 | Hachiman | I honestly don't like when people pander and say "women can do everything men can" |
| 22:42.25 | Imperios | ^ that too |
| 22:42.30 | Hachiman | Like yeah they can, but men happen to be more efficient at physical labour |
| 22:42.34 | Imperios | See I am criticising a woman now |
| 22:42.34 | DrodoEmpire_ | Right |
| 22:42.42 | Imperios | See I treat her as an equal |
| 22:42.47 | Monet | It's kind of curious how the villagers went "right, we've run out of sheep, let's start giving him little girls" |
| 22:42.48 | Imperios | Everyone can be criticised |
| 22:42.55 | Hachiman | And men are not as efficient, I dunno, giving birth as women are |
| 22:43.02 | Imperios | Hachiman: Physical endurance |
| 22:43.09 | Imperios | And resisitance to disease |
| 22:43.36 | Hachiman | I'm not going into this because this implies all women are more resistant to disease and are as equally durable |
| 22:43.45 | DrodoEmpire_ | I think cultural equality is a prerequisite for legal equality- an Islamic country won't treat both sexes equally for example |
| 22:43.45 | Imperios | Well |
| 22:43.58 | Imperios | They are more resisitant to disease in the same way as men are stronger |
| 22:43.59 | Imperios | duh |
| 22:44.15 | DrodoEmpire_ | And won't legislate so that they are legally equal |
| 22:44.22 | Imperios | Statistical biologically enforced difference that developed due to evolutional necessities |
| 22:44.31 | Imperios | Men can die after they mate |
| 22:44.34 | Imperios | Women have to survive for longer |
| 22:44.40 | DrodoEmpire_ | But that doesn't mean its exactly a good idea to then try to engineer the culture and drag it in to the 21st century |
| 22:44.44 | Imperios | Men are, from the evolutionary point of view, expendable |
| 22:44.56 | Imperios | Mother used to work with newborns: generally, girls survived in the same conditions where boys died |
| 22:45.43 | Monet | So as proud as we are of our penises, we're the ones who are more disposable. |
| 22:45.57 | DrodoEmpire_ | That'll result in a lot of very collectivist initiatives that will victimise a *lot* of people, men and women, will inflame cultural, political, and religious tensions, and so on |
| 22:46.19 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: And the other way around too |
| 22:46.19 | DrodoEmpire_ | Change has to be gradual and from the inside culturally |
| 22:46.25 | Imperios | legal equality is nil witohut cultural equality |
| 22:46.44 | Monet | Psychologically speaking Impy has some point: Men are somewhat built to want many women. But women get jealous when a man is doing it with more than just her. |
| 22:46.44 | DrodoEmpire_ | Before we can then introduce legal equality |
| 22:46.50 | Imperios | Because otherwise discrimination and abuse outside of the legal system will kick in |
| 22:46.58 | DrodoEmpire_ | But, ultimately, legal equality will enforce cultural equality |
| 22:46.59 | Imperios | Monet: That too |
| 22:47.11 | DrodoEmpire_ | Once both are in place |
| 22:47.29 | Monet | It's the great paradox: Man wants many women, but woman gets bitchy when man sleeps with other women. |
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| 22:47.34 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 22:47.45 | DrodoEmpire_ | Hi |
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| 23:29.00 | Quark8 | Back. |
| 23:29.33 | DrodoEmpire_ | Hey |
| 23:34.26 | Wormy_ | night |
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| 23:44.32 | Quark8 | Hello Tybunsen. |
| 23:45.17 | Hachiman | Tybusen: I bet you can't beat Airman |
| 23:45.31 | Imperios | Hi Tybusen |
| 23:45.35 | Imperios | Did you get my message in Skype? |
| 23:45.37 | Tybusen | Hachiman: I can't defeat Airman |
| 23:46.07 | Tybusen | Imperios: Da, spasibo comrade |
| 23:46.16 | Hachiman | Tybusen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKS4Mdmsfxw |
| 23:46.25 | Imperios | Tybusen: http://img08.deviantart.net/8c1b/i/2016/283/f/b/world_heraldry_wallpaper_by_asdruabel-dakjge7.png BTW take a look |
| 23:46.41 | Tybusen | harambee |
| 23:47.25 | DrodoEmpire_ | test |
| 23:47.26 | Tybusen | Hachiman: seems par for the course for JoJo |
| 23:47.54 | Imperios | Tybusen: it is actually Kenya's motto |
| 23:48.05 | Imperios | HaramBEE |
| 23:48.09 | Imperios | Gorilla bees |
| 23:48.11 | Tybusen | Yeah, but maymays |
| 23:48.54 | Tybusen | I think University of Connecticut wanted to restrict Harambe memes because there was an on-campus organization called Harambe that was a AA association |
