IRC log for #sporewiki on 20161007

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00:55.06Quark8Hello.
01:01.21DrodoEmpireHi
01:08.00Quark8How're you?
01:08.10DrodoEmpireI'm alright
01:10.12Quark8That's good.
01:10.46Quark8I just got my glasses, which is great (means that the high chance of me being half-blind is now gone).
01:10.50Quark8:)
01:12.32DrodoEmpireAh, great
01:12.37DrodoEmpireWelcome to the club <.<
01:12.56Quark8^_^
01:13.23Quark8In other news, I started fencing classes.
01:19.37DrodoEmpireOh?
01:19.47DrodoEmpireSport-fencing, I presume?
01:20.27Quark8Yeah.
01:20.39DrodoEmpireAh, very nice
01:20.57DrodoEmpire(Didn't think it was with full-on rapiers, but I figured I'd ask >.<)
01:22.23Quark8Right.
01:24.54Quark8I find it fun, though I'm far from god at it.
01:37.40Quark8Night all.
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09:59.20TreebeardHello
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12:18.23dino82_hi
12:19.34Monethi
12:21.21OluapPlayerHi
12:21.45OluapPlayerMonet: Are you available for a session zero at around 10pm or later?
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12:32.16NeonPandaDiscworld fans: what's the name of the turtle the rest of the world is riding on?
12:34.46OluapPlayerNeonPanda: Are you available for a session zero later?
12:34.58NeonPandaOluapPlayer: define later in terms of hours
12:35.14OluapPlayerSaturday morning
12:35.17OluapPlayeryour time
12:37.41NeonPandashould be
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12:50.47MonetOluapPlayer: Yeah I should be good.
12:52.38MonetBTW regarding roles I could be a cleric
12:56.41OluapPlayerRight
13:16.18NeonPandaMonet: while building an atmospheric carrier in Space Engineers, I may have made a giant turtle
13:17.40MonetLol
13:17.50MonetFlying turtle of doom?
13:19.27NeonPandakinda
13:19.39NeonPandait's mostly going to serve as a mining base
13:20.00NeonPandacos forget dealing with space spider attacks 24/7
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13:22.52HachimanHi
13:22.57TreebeardHello
13:23.34MonetHello
13:24.43NeonPandahi u
13:25.41HachimanNot gonna be super available today because it's my sister's birthday
13:25.57HachimanI'll be able to make the session later though
13:30.36NeonPandaHachiman: Monet mentioned considering a cleric so that's a possible thing
13:30.45HachimanNice
13:33.43HachimanTake a look at what domains you wanna use and then consult Oluap about what dwarven gods there are in his Dorf Fort world
13:34.38HachimanI'm personally a serious follower of the dwarven god Ad Ebollek, aka Ad Grizzlebristles, the dwarven god of lightning, storms, the rain and rainbows
13:34.59OluapPlayerFor the sake of simplicity Monet should probably base him around stock Pathfinder gods
13:35.04OluapPlayerhimself*
13:36.18NeonPandadeities are actually somethign I hadn't considered, not entirely relevant for my character but potentially useful background info
13:36.54OluapPlayerThe world has gods I generated with the game. But these are for flavour only
13:38.14MonetI can take a look a little later
13:38.33OluapPlayerYou can during the session
13:38.59Hachimanhttp://www.archivesofnethys.com/DeitiesByGroup.aspx Good list of deities here, separated by pantheon
13:39.04HachimanIncluding a dwarven pantheon
13:40.21MonetThanks
13:45.39HachimanMeanwhile I'm playing a drow in my other group's Underdark campaign
13:48.22HachimanOr rather, a half-drow Witch acolyte of Lolth who was adopted by a lesser drow noble house because reasons pertaining to political BS or something; I'm essentially in charge of the rest of the party since they're either playing greenskin slaves or a male drow enforcer (Ninja)
13:51.57NeonPandathere is a lot in that sentence that makes me giggle, back in a minute
13:52.40Hachimanhur
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13:54.00DrodoEmpireHi
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13:55.04NeonPanda_back
13:56.57NeonPanda_also Hachiman: I think my rogue actually does more damage on average than Cezar did at level 3
13:57.03HachimanJesus what
13:58.30NeonPanda_assuming both attacks hit and I'm flanking, I deal 4d6+6 damage
13:59.28HachimanNice
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14:04.34CyrannianHai
14:04.37OluapPlayer~punch Cyrannian
14:04.39infobotACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Cyrannian right on the nose
14:04.44Cyrannian~tickle OluapPlayer
14:04.44infobotACTION jumps on OluapPlayer, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!"
14:05.04CyrannianI was wondering how you got mods to work on Steam Spore
14:06.17OluapPlayerSame as normal Spore
14:07.01CyrannianMine isn't working for some reason, are you putting the package files in the SporeEP1 folder?
14:08.47OluapPlayerNo, put them on DataEP1
14:09.14CyrannianHm, so did I
14:10.17OluapPlayerAre you trying to install Dark Injection?
14:10.58CyrannianYes, as well as a couple of other mods
14:11.30OluapPlayerThe files named "Arenas" go on Data
14:11.35OluapPlayerEverything else goes on DataEP1
14:14.25CyrannianI'll give it a go
14:21.45CyrannianBah I think I'll just reinstall my disc Spore. It always becomes messed up when I update Windows 10
14:22.00CyrannianGhelae: I don't suppose you had that problem again after the recent update?
14:22.10OluapPlayerYou're doing something wrong, mine works fine
14:22.43CyrannianHaven't tried your solution, the game isn't launching
14:24.45GhelaeI haven't actually been on Spore since the update.
14:24.52Ghelaedoes so
14:25.20CyrannianOnce again I can't remember our solution. Was it just reinstalling it?
14:27.00GhelaeIt seems to be working fine for me. And I think reinstalling it was the only thing I ever had to do to fix it not working.
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14:28.54WormydroidHi
14:28.59CyrannianHi
14:29.47WormydroidGhelae did your bit of uni supply all these free lunches of pizza?
14:30.47GhelaeNot very often, but I believe computer scientists do survive solely on pizza, so it makes sense that they'd have more available around where they're working.
14:31.14WormydroidLol, that seems to be the case
14:31.32GhelaeThe main free food provided for NatSci was at Christmas. Chocolate, cakes, mince pies, etc.
14:31.55WormydroidComputer scientists need to survive off of some much pizza in a day
14:32.18WormydroidWe've had plenty of cakes too
14:36.38WormydroidSo I was learning UNIX for the first time today and I get this crowd of undergrad first years in awe of me using the ugly command line
14:37.09WormydroidOf course,vI had no idea what was goibg on either
14:37.29WormydroidWell, just enough to explore directories in it
14:38.24HachimanOluapPlayer NeonPanda_ Monet: So, I just rediscovered that the White Lions of Chrace are a thing
14:38.47OluapPlayerNever heard of
14:39.20MonetOluapPlayer: High Elf warriors who fight in tandem with albino lions.
14:39.36HachimanWhite Lions of Chrace being a personal guard unit serving under the Phoenix King of the High Elves in WH:FB who wield two-handed axes and have giant white war lions as companions and mounts
14:39.49OluapPlayerAh, WFB
14:39.59OluapPlayerNo wonder I've not heard of it
14:40.16Monethttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/3/3e/Highelves_whitelions.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140805172711
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14:40.39MonetNot only do they ride and fight with white lions, they all wear lion-mane mantles.
14:40.54HachimanThey're perhaps the manliest elves I've seen
14:41.30Monethttp://i45.tinypic.com/21b80pk.png "A fucking lion is my shoulderguard"
14:42.39HachimanWho says elves cannot be strength fighters eh
14:43.14MonetI recall they use axes because Chrace is a timber kingdom.
14:43.26HachimanYeah
14:43.49Monethttp://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics16/img4f9864588a635.jpg I'VE SEEN THINGS
14:44.11HachimanThey were initially woodsmen who saved the Phoenix King Caledor I from a Dark Elf assassination plot
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14:45.52HachimanWish I could somehow build a working stronk elf build in Pathfinder
14:46.01HachimanAlthough it'll never be optimal
14:46.11HachimanHi Imp, we were just discussing the White Lions of Chrace
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14:57.48Cyrannianbbl
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15:00.36TreebeardHello
15:00.59DrodoEmpireHi
15:04.32*** join/#sporewiki Wormydroid (5284dfb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.132.223.178)
15:06.53WormydroidSo something really random happened to me in town, I got stopped by an Indian man who tried to prophesise my future desires from my forehead, and that I was hungry.  I told him I was hubgry for knowledge, but he said I was hungry for love.  Then he started saying he was hungry and would tell me more and I quickly guessed he wanted my money
15:07.25OluapPlayerImpyDroid2: http://i.imgur.com/h9htZJY.jpg
15:07.31WormydroidI managed to escape by telling him my train was late and rushibg off, I look back and he us staring at me
15:07.53MonetThe old psychic trick of "I'm going to vaguely guess what you want and I will be right!"
15:08.39WormydroidI know that in India ypu can't walk very far before getting stopped like this, like the 'shit on yoyr shoes' shoesgine boys who sneak a poo on your shoe
15:09.02WormydroidDidn't work for him because I tokd him what I was hungry for lol
15:09.04HachimanCold reading, that's called
15:09.22WormydroidAnd hungry for love, me seriously?
15:09.37MonetHachiman: That's the term
15:09.53HachimanYou never struck me as a man who desired love
15:10.06HachimanOther than maybe Ghelae's
15:10.10MonetWormydroid: You're young. Society demands you require a girlfriend
15:10.21OluapPlayerWormy + Ghelae OTP
15:12.31WormydroidI'm happy living alone and getting existential crises from a mixture of poor sleep, deep thinking and isolation
15:13.15MonetUnfortunately for this Indian man, education tends to be inversely proportional to the desire for partnership or family.
15:14.21WormydroidI think he either wanted my money so he could getvlunchbor was advertising some sham class
15:14.26DrodoEmpireEh, its more like wealth and education are inversely proportional to fertility and crude birth rate <.<
15:14.44WormydroidWebsite wubscription or whatever
15:15.06MonetDrodoEmpire: I was half-right.
15:15.19DrodoEmpireSorta yeah
15:15.28WormydroidToday was not his lucky daycbecause I don't fit in his trick, and am not very warm or sympathetic
15:16.10DrodoEmpireI mean I'm sure there're plenty of people who don't desire a relationship because of their successful career but I'd figure they're a minority
15:16.24WormydroidOr maybe he was coming on to me lol
15:16.43DrodoEmpirehur
15:16.59HachimanI'm just convinced that there are people who exist that just simply don't feel the need or want for love
15:17.08HachimanThat doesn't make them bad people
15:17.58DrodoEmpireSure
15:18.04HachimanAlso the fact that sex = / = love and not many people understand that
15:18.12DrodoEmpireAnd it doesn't, just saying that's a minority of people
15:18.12Monet<PROTECTED>
15:18.15OluapPlayeru included
15:18.28DrodoEmpiresavage
15:18.28WormydroidTo be honest I am an introverted person who only needs a few people at best to chat to or drink with
15:19.33Monet<PROTECTED>
15:20.02WormydroidMy desire is my own self development and freedom, as such I feel nothing towards the stress of a relationship
15:20.52WormydroidYet my mother keeps pestering me to makw the next generation
15:21.04HachimanI imagine that nowadays, it's become more prevalent than before that there is a high number of young people who do not want children in their lives in the near or far future
15:21.14HachimanSuch as myself, can't stand kids and they're not very liberating
15:21.29WormydroidWpyld be a shamevif 4 billion years of evolution and the elite that survived would end wirh me tho
15:21.40WormydroidThats my only motivation
15:21.53MonetThe average age women are starting families and having kids (not including teen pregnancies) is nearing/around the 30s
15:22.20HachimanPlus my sister has already had multiple children so I don't need to pass on my genes if they live content lives
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15:22.32dino82_darn, keep getting disconnected
15:22.54DrodoEmpireIts all due to the vast increase in quality of life
15:23.19WormydroidYes, enough of your genes should be shared in a large distribution like that
15:23.24DrodoEmpireAnd, with current trends, developing countries will start to see the same decrease, much faster than it did here
15:23.41Monet<PROTECTED>
15:23.44DrodoEmpireWhich for them in particular will be a very very good thing
15:24.02HachimanI've been tempted towards finding a sperm bank              and robbing it
15:24.08DrodoEmpireey laymo
15:24.24OluapPlayerghey
15:24.29Hachimannon ur ghey
15:24.33WormydroidThen again, maybe actibg against our genetic drive, especially if you don't have siblings and nephews/nieces is a form of free will
15:25.39Monet<PROTECTED>
15:26.12HachimanAre they keeping it in the family or
15:26.28Monet<PROTECTED>
15:26.31WormydroidI happen to be the last of a line of one of my surnames, since my cousin's had theirs changed in marriage
15:26.32HachimanAh
15:26.47WormydroidI also have that pressure
15:26.47MonetThat and said cousins are just unpleasant.
15:27.56Monet<PROTECTED>
15:28.09Hachiman"what was the dumbest shit you ever did" "winning the sperm race"
15:29.36Monet<PROTECTED>
15:29.46HachimanRight gotta go I think
15:30.14Monet<PROTECTED>
15:31.03WormydroidHm
15:31.42Monet<PROTECTED>
15:33.16WormydroidI keep having these funny things happen every Friday when I return home
15:34.50WormydroidLast time, a loud grandmother shouting at her kids was on rhe train, before getting off she asked everyone if her child deserved a pound, so rhis bloke got up and asked "Does Granny deserve a pound"?  Everyone said no andclaughed at her as she was getting off
15:35.14WormydroidIt was hilarious
15:36.05WormydroidBasically every complaint she had about her grandkids was broadcasted at the top of her voice
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15:38.37DrodoEmpireBack >.<
15:38.49DrodoEmpireI love the little details in Insurgency
15:39.37Tek0516Gah. I have assignments for four different courses all due at once. >.<
15:39.39DrodoEmpireFor example, while almost every other gun fires "instantly" (as soon as you click), the revolver in the game actually has a very small delay, something like a one-hundredth of a second, coded in between when you click and when the gun fires
15:41.13WormydroidDoes it make a noticeable difference or is it am easter egg?
15:41.18WormydroidAn
15:41.32OluapPlayerIsn't that just input delay?
15:41.39DrodoEmpireNah, besides input delay
15:41.47DrodoEmpireIt has a hardcoded delay, as with real revolvers
15:42.04DrodoEmpireI don't use the revolver enough to really know, put probably
15:42.14DrodoEmpireClose-range gunfights can be finished in under a second
15:42.22DrodoEmpire*but
15:43.02DrodoEmpireI prefer to use one of the automatic pistols like the M9 or 1911 personally
15:43.05MonetA fraction of a second can make considerable difference.
15:43.10DrodoEmpire^
15:43.52WormydroidThe brain is actually quite goid at picking up delays in audible or visual input
15:44.08DrodoEmpireYeah, that is true
15:44.13DrodoEmpireI'll try using it more to see if I notice
15:44.29WormydroidYou can tell if some frames are lost in an animation
15:44.46DrodoEmpire(Its just that in Insurgency you *never* want to be in a position where you're forced to use your sidearm >.<)
15:45.20DrodoEmpireActually on delays in sound, one of my favourite things in Insurgency has to be that it simulates the speed of sound
15:46.05DrodoEmpireI saw an RPG shot that nearly hit me go long, and it flew across the map and blew up against a hillside- not only was the explosion spectacular I only heard the noise a good half-second later
15:46.53WormydroidCool
15:48.51WormydroidSo I've been looking at this new game called Astroneers, the devs are doing their best to cull the hype
15:48.54NeonPanda_slightly related note, I remember sitting down and playing MW2 with the actual army person who staffed my cadet unit, when we got up to the "swap to your sidearm, it's faster than reloading" part he just said "holy shit Americans are bad at reloading"
15:48.54Wormydroidhttps://m.reddit.com/r/Astroneer/comments/54rj0f/will_there_be_alien_life/
15:49.23MonetNeonPanda_: Lol!
15:49.28DrodoEmpireNeonPanda: hur
15:49.48Tek0516DrodoEmpire: Sad thing is though is that I think if more games tried to implement sound delay people would just complain that their game audio seemed to be lagging. >.>
15:50.02DrodoEmpireYeah at first anyway
15:50.09DrodoEmpireBecause people are, you know, fucking idiots
15:50.10DrodoEmpire<.<
15:50.12NeonPanda_this may in part be due to the fact that the Australian infantry is not in fact issued a sidearm so they kinda don't have a choice except to reload quickly
15:50.21DrodoEmpireAh
15:50.51DrodoEmpireWormydroid: Probably a reaction to the NMS fiasco
15:50.55DrodoEmpireGood though
15:51.15MonetWell as they say
15:51.17NeonPanda_one of the quartermasters at Enoggera literally reloads as fast as the "Fast Hands" perk
15:51.31MonetChildren play CoD, boys play Battlefield, man play ArmA.
15:51.46NeonPanda_so I've never shit-talked perks or mods that increase reload speed as "unrealistic"
15:51.47WormydroidIt is, largely because a large ex player Base is movibg onto their forums
15:52.02DrodoEmpireNeonPanda: Fair enough
15:53.09WormydroidNMS didn't live up to my expectations but I still can put hours into playing un a day
15:53.10WormydroidIn
15:53.28DrodoEmpireAhh
15:54.01NeonPanda_apparently NMS is actually facing industry-driven legal action
15:54.20DrodoEmpireHm, I wonder if I should make an equipment inventory for the Union (Drodo Quadrant Colonies), maybe more specifically New Aratacia
15:54.45NeonPanda_actually, speaking of communities being unhappy about things, Warframe
15:54.58WormydroidIt is under investigation last I checked
15:55.25NeonPanda_holy shit have I never seen a more divided, vitriolic community that's completely justified, speckled with newbs who have no idea why everyone bursts into rage with every minor bad thing DE does
15:55.55DrodoEmpireProbably a lot of the same stuff as with the rest of the Empire, but I had an idea that N.A militia may use a (locally produced?) revolver as opposed to an automatic pistol, and their marksmen might use a military variant of a hunting rifle, or an modernised version of an ancient, bolt-action military rifle
15:55.59NeonPanda_there hasn't been a positive change in that game in over a year, and the young punks wonder why the veterans are constantly complaining :P
15:56.07DrodoEmpireHuh
15:56.14DrodoEmpireIs it really that bad? >.<
15:56.22DrodoEmpireI've only ever heard the name Warframe
15:56.57NeonPanda_don't get me wrong, the core gameplay is and always was fantastic, but there's a couple of major flaws and a dumptruck worth of frustrating design choices that DE either pretends don't exist, or they pass it off as not actually a problem
15:57.43DrodoEmpireAhh
15:57.58NeonPanda_the biggest flaw being damage scaling, which is really strangling the veteran community because there's nothing genuinely difficult in the game anymore, just stuff that you actually can't kill without a ridiculously optimised cheese build,
15:58.15NeonPanda_and DE keeps trying to nerf/remove cheese builds without actually doing anything to solve the problem that causes them
15:58.55DrodoEmpireHm
15:58.59Charles_MurrayWhat kind of game is Warframe?
15:59.09NeonPanda_third person shooter primarily
16:00.02NeonPanda_and a beautiful one at that, it focuses primarily on use of movement, so you get these beautiful moments where you're practically (and in my case literally cos melee stance :P) dancing across the battlefield
16:00.33MonetRobot Ninjas who are masters with using guns and traditional weapons in tandem. Along with a bit of space magic.
16:00.34Charles_MurrayPTW, PTP?
16:00.56NeonPanda_FTP, no PTW elements but veeeeery grindy if you don't know what you're doing
16:01.27NeonPanda_still grindy if you do know what you're doing, just less so
16:01.34MonetI wonder if Warframe works as to an analogy of how battles often go on Sporewiki.
16:01.50Monet(ground battles and duels psecifically)
16:01.55Monetspecifically*
16:02.09NeonPanda_Warframe is something of an analogy to my style, not really the wiki as a whole from my experience
16:02.28MonetIt might be for the more supernatural bits.
16:02.38NeonPanda_any reason you're asking specifics Charles?
16:02.49Charles_MurrayEhh, I'm currently between games
16:03.01NeonPanda_well don't get into warframe XD
16:03.01Charles_MurraySo I'm looking for something to really sink my teeth into
16:03.06Charles_MurrayOh?
16:03.32MonetIf you ignore the whiny newb-base, its hella addictive.
16:03.54NeonPanda_it takes a lot of investment to have the resources needed to really get anywhere, in terms of appropriate weapons, mods, e.t.c.
16:04.32NeonPanda_if you're looking for something to casually waste time on go for it, but don't expect a ton of depth
16:05.06MonetThe physics engine is quite fun.
16:05.27MonetSlicey-slicey with a sword and watch those bisected bodies fly.
16:05.44Charles_MurrayYou mentioned it has a progression system with correct builds and such, though?
16:06.17NeonPanda_by "correct" I mean 50% obligatory mods and the rest is designed to exploit a couple of mechanics to remove gameplay interely
16:06.19NeonPanda_entirely*
16:06.54NeonPanda_like, high level missions typically consist of standing in the middle of the room occasionally pushing one or two buttons while everything dies, because trying to actually play the game will get you killed
16:08.15NeonPanda_let me elaborate; as the enemys' level goes up, their damage, health and damage resistance scale exponentially. After 40 minutes or so in an endless mission (basically the only way to get meaningful rewards), enemies have such a massive health pool and such high health that the only reasonable way to kill them is abuse AoE armour shred and room clear abilities
16:08.33NeonPanda_because they do so much damage that even when that one warframe could give the whole cell a 99% damage resistance buff, you still got one-shot
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16:08.54MonetSounds like Asteroids.
16:09.10DrodoEmpireThat just sounds like a shit system >.<
16:09.34NeonPanda_DrodoEmpire: and now you know why the veteran warframe community is mad
16:09.44DrodoEmpireTrue, true
16:09.49NeonPanda_it's been like that literally since release and they still haven't even addressed that fundamental flaw
16:10.11MonetThough those sorts of missions I think offer you "keep going or take your reward" options every 10 waves.
16:10.19DrodoEmpireSo basically its a great game idea that's marred by a bad developer and poor execution
16:10.30NeonPanda_Monet: every five minutes, on a four cycle track, yes
16:10.56NeonPanda_however, accessing each of those missions requires a key which is consumed on use
16:11.17NeonPanda_higher level keys requiring at least a 15 minute survival on their own to acquire
16:11.38NeonPanda_and yeah, Drodo, it's a great game dragged down by poor execution in a lot of areas
16:12.25NeonPanda_like don't get me wrong, as I've said its core gameplay is amazing, jaw-droppingly so, but it's such a bugger to get to that stage
16:12.48DrodoEmpireAhh, makes sense
16:13.01DrodoEmpireYeah sounds like a really cool idea, unique
16:13.41NeonPanda_like, my preferred build was a melee-only setup with a giant greatsword, the moveset I had for it basically turning melee combat into a ballet (it's called Tempo Royale and everything)
16:14.07DrodoEmpireHuh
16:14.24NeonPanda_what did I have to do to make it work? No less than seven event-only mods that can only be acquired in trade chat nowadays, three that are outright discontinued,
16:15.08NeonPanda_and the fact that there basically becomes a point where I don't do damage anymore because slash damage does basically nothing to most enemies
16:15.16DrodoEmpireHuh
16:15.36NeonPanda_they managed to make me feel bad for using a giant flaming space sword, and that's kind of a problem
16:15.37Tek0516Bah. I'm supposed to answer a question for this but there's no explanation of it on the course notes AND I can't even find the stuff on Google. >.>
16:16.19NeonPanda_and I have to say, the reason I'm so passionate about it is I LOVED that game, loved it to bits, but just as soon as I had enough stuff that I could really enjoy it, the cracks started piling up
16:16.46DrodoEmpireHm
16:18.24NeonPanda_and the community came up with so many reasonable fixes for a lot of the minor problems, then DE kinda "fixes" them without actually addressing the problem, melee being a huge example of that
16:18.55NeonPanda_for a really long time, the "Sword Alone" playstyle was something that was advertised as a core way to play the game, but the playstyle existed only because the people who played it forced it to happen
16:19.32NeonPanda_it was objectively weaker than a gun-based playstyle despite the extra risk involved, so you had to really fine-tune your build, use a select number of warframes and weapons, e.t.c.
16:20.22NeonPanda_all people really wanted that would have made a big deal is increasing the amount of time you have to continue a hit chain (if you hit enough enemies within a certain period of time you start to get damage multipliers)
16:20.32DrodoEmpireRight
16:20.45NeonPanda_so DE introduced a mod that added +12 seconds to the combo meter, rather than actually just increasing the time on the combo meter
16:21.31NeonPanda_they then also added a mod that multiplied critical chance by your current combo multiplier, thus skyrocketing critical-based weapons into the stratosphere in terms of power, and dwarfing anything with poor base crit
16:22.11NeonPanda_another example of "fixing" the problem without actually fixing anything, and even making the problem of weapon diversity work (it was already hard to justify using a non-crit melee weapon due to several crit-based mods)
16:22.17NeonPanda_worse* not work
16:23.31NeonPanda_so sure, they managed to make melee weapon damage relevant again, scale somewhat properly and made the combo counter system work, but by that point every single melee weapon uses the same mods in six of eight slots
16:24.25DrodoEmpireRight
16:25.38NeonPanda_I just realised I went on a massive rant, sorry about that
16:26.29MonetWe all have our massive rants
16:26.44OluapPlayerThere's nothing else being said atm so
16:27.39NeonPanda_I just adored that game because for a very short period of time, the thematic and mechanical elements of the game lined up perfectly and it was amazing, and since then I've been watching the game slowly bleed out, narrated by a sarcastic irish youtuber
16:28.07DrodoEmpireAh >.<
16:28.11NeonPanda_like if two and a half years ago you'd asked me what's warframe I'd have said why are you not playing warframe right now
16:28.19DrodoEmpireRight, right
16:31.27Charles_MurrayI personally wish I could play classic WoW >.<
16:33.37MonetI was there all those years ago
16:33.51NeonPanda_I'd second that, specifically classic WoW back in the day, rather than a nostalgia server
16:34.27OluapPlayerAnd I wish I could go back to TF2 before it became microtransaction-fest
16:35.26Charles_MurrayI had TF2 before it went FTP
16:35.30Charles_MurrayGood times
16:35.33Moneti'll bbl
16:36.00NeonPanda_I think the one thing I'd like to go back to most though would be either Halo 3 custom games back in the golden days, or classic runescape
16:36.52DrodoEmpireHm, I dunno what I'd do gaming-wise if I had the chance in that way
16:37.00DrodoEmpireI have a slight feeling GMod had better days
16:37.04DrodoEmpireBut I dunno
16:37.19DrodoEmpireDarkRP is still that little festering tumour everyone knows and loves
16:37.27Charles_MurrayNeonPanda_ Classing runescape is still alive actuay
16:37.29Charles_Murrayactually
16:37.42Charles_MurrayThey run and maintain a build of the game from 2007
16:37.49NeonPanda_again, I mean going back to the day, rather than just playing on the game build
16:38.03Charles_MurrayAhh, what's ruined it for you?
16:38.05Charles_MurrayGE?
16:38.50NeonPanda_yeah, but also I don't really know how to put it, but there was this point in time where some of the minigames got a bit less enjoyable
16:39.11Charles_MurrayI logged onto runescape recently
16:39.15NeonPanda_used to love Pest Control to bits, was in a clan that just specialised in it and we were known across the server for it
16:39.24Charles_MurrayThe game is jaw-droppingly different
16:40.18Charles_MurrayThey seem to have substituted the gritty and immersive aesthetic for a self-referential and wonderland-like ethos which would only appeal to 5 year old >.<
16:40.48NeonPanda_runescape was never that gritty :P but I'll take your word for it on the stylisation
16:41.02NeonPanda_which btw I tend to prefer stylised over realistic, so that might not actually be a negative for me
16:41.09NeonPanda_unless it's full on disney
16:41.56Charles_MurrayWell it was always stylized, but in a boxy and faded way; The game mechanics were simple, unforgiving, and very often blunt
16:42.04Charles_MurrayThey posed a challenge
16:42.08NeonPanda_I hear you there
16:42.09Charles_MurrayThis is full on Disney
16:42.14NeonPanda_ah, right
16:42.16NeonPanda_in that case ew
16:42.23NeonPanda_OH GOD YOU BROUGHT BACK MEMORIES
16:42.29Charles_MurrayOh?
16:42.43NeonPanda_I was that one guy who didn't really bother with his strength level much, but I had very high attack and defence
16:42.47Charles_Murray(Bright colors, sparkles, hats, dancing, everything)
16:42.50Charles_Murray(I'm not even kidding)
16:43.15NeonPanda_so whenever I went into pvp with other melee people, I nearly always won because they hit a lot less than I did, despite them ranting on me because I only had 40 strength XD
16:43.43NeonPanda_(for the non-runescapers, for some reason Strength was seen as the combat stat that actually mattered, so it was the phallus replacement de jour for measuring)
16:43.44Charles_Murrayolol
16:45.05NeonPanda_but yeah, I got a surprising amount of fulfilment out of that game, the social aspect especially
16:45.14NeonPanda_house parties were a blast
16:45.19Charles_Murray^^^^^
16:45.34Charles_MurrayI liked farming for some reason
16:45.40Charles_MurrayFor like a whole 3 days
16:45.47Charles_MurrayThen went back to playing the game xD
16:46.06NeonPanda_I was mostly a fisher, got my cape and everything
16:46.16Charles_MurrayRunescape's crafting system is still intact, though
16:46.34NeonPanda_but I also did a ton of minigames and questing
16:46.46NeonPanda_most of the time when I levelled up a skill it was to unlock a quest
16:46.54Charles_MurrayI wish other games had something comparable, one of Runescape's greatest strengths is that economy
16:47.43NeonPanda_here's one for you: what did you do to make money?
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16:47.56Quark8Hello.
16:48.13Charles_MurrayNeonPanda I found it on the ground
16:48.26Charles_MurrayLiterally one day I came across something like 300k outside of lumbridge
16:48.30Charles_MurrayNever needed money again
16:48.35NeonPanda_wow
16:49.01NeonPanda_for me it was cannonballs, bought a ton of steel, smelted it into cannonballs, sold it again
16:49.12Charles_MurrayNiice
16:49.23NeonPanda_usually made twice my money back, funded a whole set of dragon armour in a day
16:49.23Charles_MurrayWhat were those for, btw?
16:49.35NeonPanda_dwarven multicannons, basically a turret
16:49.42Charles_MurrayAhh
16:50.45NeonPanda_it was rather funny when I actually discovered that method, the day before I was talking to my clanmates about how I never really made that much money, then two days later I walk into a house party in full dragon XD
16:51.50Charles_Murray*crappy pop music plays while character walks in slomo*
16:51.55Charles_Murray*all heads turn*
16:52.01NeonPanda_basically XD
16:52.07Charles_MurrayxD
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16:52.09NeonPanda_were you ever a member?
16:52.24Charles_MurrayYeah, for a couple years
16:52.30Charles_MurrayThat game was my childhood xD
16:52.39NeonPanda_did you ever go to a non-member world decked out in member gear?
16:52.59Charles_MurrayNah, I was more of a solo player
16:53.14NeonPanda_I have never had so many people offer to be my girlfriend
16:53.30Charles_MurrayPfffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
16:55.01Charles_MurrayNeonPanda_ https://gyazo.com/a9c5ee15dcc1aba5c72b1075acd84e80
16:55.05Charles_MurrayWhat it looks like now
16:55.36NeonPanda_oh god dagganoths
16:56.13NeonPanda_where were those things? it was a dungeon wasn't it
16:56.45Charles_BotNo idea
16:57.51NeonPanda_I do remember that one barbarian cave full of things to murder to make those unique armours, god that place was annoying
16:58.08NeonPanda_giant enemy crabs minus flipping to hit weak spot for maximum damage
16:58.46Charles_BotWhere was that?
16:59.19NeonPanda_way up in the member zone, that big barbarian village that had the house portal
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17:10.16DrodoEmpiretest
17:12.33dino82_test
17:15.09Charles_Bottest
17:16.00NeonPanda_you all pass
17:21.53NeonPanda_and now I am watching starcrafts because it is early in the morning and I have nothing to do
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17:31.10Quark8Hi Imperios.
17:38.57dino82_hi!
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17:48.11Wormy_hi
17:49.04Quark8Hello Wormy_.
17:50.27Wormy_hi
18:14.35dino82_hi wormy
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18:32.31Wormy_hi again
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19:15.48Quark8Hello Monet.
19:15.52MonetHello
19:16.10DrodoEmpireHey Monet
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19:26.26DrodoEmpirehttps://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/euiv-rights-of-man-content-pack-renders.972158/ - These are all fantastic
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19:46.35MonetI use AMD so can't give any advice.
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19:48.31Wormy_Yeah, AMD usaer as well.  But I got a really annoting update once that recorded by gameplay
19:48.37Wormy_And it get popping up useless tools
19:48.41Wormy_*kept
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19:50.02MonetHi
19:57.24Charles_Murraytest
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20:13.19Groxkiller98Heya.
20:13.28Quark8Hello.
20:14.14Groxkiller98I think I wanna try find someone to make art for my fiction. Spore isn't all that good for imagery.
20:16.49DrodoEmpireAhh
20:16.56DrodoEmpireThere're a few people who may be willing
20:17.02Groxkiller98On the wiki?
20:17.04DrodoEmpireI won't speak for them, though
20:17.05DrodoEmpireYes
20:17.10Groxkiller98Any of them here?
20:17.22DrodoEmpireA few
20:17.31DrodoEmpireDunno if they're *here* here
20:17.37DrodoEmpireBut they're on the channel
20:17.50Groxkiller98Well... Would anybody mind doing some pics for my stuff? XD
20:18.07DrodoEmpireWell
20:18.15DrodoEmpireWhat were you thinking, exactly?
20:18.31DrodoEmpirePaintings/drawings?
20:18.39Groxkiller98Yup.
20:18.42DrodoEmpireRight.
20:19.39DrodoEmpireWell I'll say this upfront- if you're gonna request something, you need to find someone who's willing, communicate often, and pay them, and pay them fairly at that
20:20.01DrodoEmpireI know Monet does drawings but I won't speak for him in terms of taking requests
20:20.14MonetArtist is a notoriously volatile profession.
20:20.20DrodoEmpire^
20:20.27Groxkiller98Yeah... Problem is, I'm broke. XD I might have to try make them myself, and scan the images at college.
20:20.34DrodoEmpireRight
20:20.42DrodoEmpireIf you're broke that might be the good thing to do
20:20.48Groxkiller98I'm not even employed.
20:20.59DrodoEmpireIf you're good at drawing especially
20:21.21Groxkiller98I'd not say I'm good. Half-decent, maybe.
20:28.05Charles_MurrayCurrently doing research for a paper on arms control, and I come across this article
20:28.09Charles_MurrayWritten by
20:28.21Charles_Murray"Henry A. Kissinger, George P. Shultz, James A. Baker III, Lawrence S. Eagleburger and Colin L. Powell"
20:28.41Charles_MurrayMe - Holy shit that's a lot of very important names shoved together in a very small space
20:28.56Charles_Murrayhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/01/AR2010120104598.html
20:29.10NeonPanda_I'll take your word for it
20:30.11HachimanMAN DO I HATE BLACKS
20:30.19Charles_MurrayBasically the secretaries of state for the last five republican presidents
20:30.29MonetI know of Kissinger, Schultz and Powell.
20:30.32Charles_MurrayWell that's totally not racist
20:30.55HachimanI'm back btw
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20:31.55NeonPanda_that would be why none of those names meant anything to me
20:32.56NeonPanda_somewhat related, a friend and I were talking about foreign governments, and we realised with a start that basically any time you ask an Australian about controversial politics elsewhere in the world,
20:33.06NeonPanda_chances are we'd just say "stop being stupid" and leave it at that
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20:41.09DrodoEmpireHonestly I think whoever's doing that clown shit is dumb
20:41.10MonetAt the same time, a lot of comedy stems from suffering.
20:41.10DrodoEmpireEspecially when thye begin chasing people
20:41.17DrodoEmpireI like pranks but at least some of these clowns are actually attacking and killing people
20:41.24ImperiosHachiman: >MAN DO I HATE BLACKS
20:41.31ImperiosOnce  a king, always a king
20:41.33DrodoEmpireSo i don't blame anyone who fights back
20:41.35DrodoEmpire*I
20:41.50DrodoEmpireOr anyone who gets angry or tense with a clown
20:41.50HachimanOh wow hur
20:43.05MonetBest way to cure one's fear of clowns is to batter one to near-death.
20:43.16DrodoEmpireIndeed <.<
20:43.29NeonPanda_I'll just be glad when the clown shit stops because I used to enjoy the hour of walking at night ot get to games night
20:43.34DrodoEmpire^
20:43.57DrodoEmpireAnd if a clown *does* get beat to near-death, chances are they deserve it seeing as they wave kitchen knives around threateningly or chase people with them
20:44.42NeonPanda_^ yeah the guys with cricket bats were retaliating against someone approaching them with a machete, so I (and the police) don't blame them at all
20:44.52DrodoEmpireRight, right
20:45.33MonetI partially wonder how effective/widespread the trend is in Britain. We take knife crime *extremely* seriously.
20:45.52DrodoEmpireI can't see it catching on if knife crime's so seriously-taken there
20:46.09DrodoEmpireIts everywhere in the US and its catching on in Canada so far
20:46.31DrodoEmpireTalk of my town, anyhow
20:46.33MonetThe police really do not fuck around with knife crime.
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20:47.27NeonPanda_what concerns me is that personal defence weapons are extremely uncommon in Australia, so people who intend to cause harm have more opportunity to do so
20:47.42NeonPanda_though we are also just willing to pick up something big and heavy and beat the crap out of people with it if necessary
20:47.45MonetThat and while our police look friendly and mostly--harmlous, when things get serious they're like bloody commandoes.
20:47.46Tek0516My IRCCloud is being all glitchy again. >.<
20:48.10ImperiosSo... clown shit?
20:48.13ImperiosWhat is going on?
20:48.44NeonPanda_ours are Australian, that's about all I need to say about it really- brave as hell which is intimidating in its own right
20:49.25NeonPanda_skills wise they're a little embarrassing but they're very good at defusing situations and even better at taking people down if needed
20:49.36NeonPanda_they're also mostly rugby players so that counts for something :P
20:49.51DrodoEmpireImperios: Dipshits dressing up in clown costumes and stalking around park trails and roads at night brandishing knives or pitchforks
20:50.02DrodoEmpireOften they then chase people who come near, waving these things
20:50.09ImperiosDrodoEmpire: Throw the fucks into jail
20:50.12ImperiosThat is criminal behaviour
20:50.18Tek0516Oh my
20:52.55MonetMaybe its the contrast. This is your average bobby https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/London_-_Columbia_Market_-_2237.jpg these are your average bobbies when crime gets serious http://i3.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article33424.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/40014162-F96C-2F7A-C3CFE1211DF0026E.jpg
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22:11.53MonetIRC's unstable today
22:30.43TechnobliteratorIt's Freenode
22:33.19Tek05162:44 PM <kloeri> [Global Notice] Hi all. We're continuing the server maintenance and over the next several hours we'll be rebooting the larger servers. It'll be a bit noisy but shouldn't be too disruptive. Thank you for using freenode. 
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23:37.29OluapPlayerXho's in bed atm
23:38.48Technobliteratoroh
23:38.57Technobliteratorwe might have to do it tomorrow
23:39.02Technobliteratordoes it involve all three of us?
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