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| 00:24.10 | Monet_2 | Hachiman: "It's like if Frankie Boyle decided to use his powers for evil" - Charlie Brooker's 2015 wipe on Trump |
| 00:27.32 | Hachiman | Dunno how to feel about that because I like Boyle hur |
| 00:28.33 | Monet_2 | So do I. |
| 00:29.45 | Tek0516 | Monet_2: In one of the episodes of the show one of the scenes I can't tell if it's ironic or prophetic post-Trump. Contained amusing lines like an American guy talking about one candidate saying stuff like "No, of course he won't win, you started out too coarse off the bat, there's no substantial basis to what you offer, and the whole nihilist 'democracy |
| 00:29.46 | Tek0516 | sucks' thing is kind of wack-a-doo". |
| 00:32.51 | Monet_2 | Prophetic possibly. |
| 00:33.47 | Monet_2 | Here in Britland we were dealing with Nigel Farage long before Trump decided to take the plunge into politics. |
| 00:34.12 | Monet_2 | Whose basically a British Trump only without the billions |
| 01:08.38 | Wormy_ | Did you see Nigel speak at a Trump convention? |
| 01:10.22 | Monet_2 | Yes |
| 01:18.17 | Monet_2 | Made my stomach churn |
| 01:51.53 | *** join/#sporewiki Cuttlefish (48d10853@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.209.8.83) |
| 01:54.33 | Monet_2 | Hello |
| 01:55.06 | Cuttlefish | Hi |
| 01:55.14 | Cuttlefish | why are there two of you? |
| 01:56.36 | Monet_2 | One of them is my mobile |
| 01:59.04 | *** join/#sporewiki DrodoEmpire (9c390f2a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.156.57.15.42) |
| 01:59.18 | Cuttlefish | Hello |
| 01:59.25 | DrodoEmpire | Heyy, I'm fuckin back |
| 01:59.29 | DrodoEmpire | Yo |
| 02:00.20 | Cuttlefish | Were you gone for a long time? I just came back for the first time in many months so I'm not sure. |
| 02:00.30 | DrodoEmpire | Nope, just a few hours |
| 02:00.34 | DrodoEmpire | May as well've been years |
| 02:00.37 | DrodoEmpire | I feel like shit |
| 02:00.39 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 02:00.50 | DrodoEmpire | Welcome back |
| 02:01.00 | Cuttlefish | Sorry to hear that. I hope future you doesn't feel like shit. |
| 02:01.15 | DrodoEmpire | Thanks |
| 02:02.32 | DrodoEmpire | How long've you been gone?\ |
| 02:02.35 | DrodoEmpire | Precisely? |
| 02:02.38 | DrodoEmpire | Just curious |
| 02:03.00 | Cuttlefish | I don't know, let me check just wait a second |
| 02:04.18 | Cuttlefish | around half a year but i did make a few minor edits with my sandbox while playing around with a now scrapped shellious language |
| 02:04.38 | Cuttlefish | or maybe i'll just change it and use it for something else |
| 02:06.44 | DrodoEmpire | Cuttlefish: ahh |
| 02:07.22 | Cuttlefish | is that a "ah i see" or "ahhh that's exiting" |
| 02:08.07 | DrodoEmpire | Both I guess |
| 02:08.41 | DrodoEmpire | A lot's changed, in terms of the layout of the universe >.< The Xonexi War had some big-time consequences |
| 02:09.00 | DrodoEmpire | Mostly-positive ones-- what with a renewed focus on international cooperation and democracy- but changes |
| 02:10.35 | DrodoEmpire | My fiction's also changed a lot |
| 02:10.55 | Cuttlefish | Part of the reason I wasn't sure whether or not to come back was that I didn't really care for the verse in it's current state. I feel that once/if/hopefully I make my next fic, it will be in self contained universe with room for a future integration if i feel like it |
| 02:11.11 | Cuttlefish | tbh i haven't seen much of the drodo in a while |
| 02:11.33 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 02:11.45 | Cuttlefish | didn't we work together on like the katar sector? am i remembering correctly? |
| 02:11.46 | DrodoEmpire | What about the universe did you not care for? |
| 02:12.00 | DrodoEmpire | I don't recall you being a member of the Katar, but possibly |
| 02:12.05 | Cuttlefish | I'm not sure |
| 02:12.30 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, the Drodo've gone from that to an intergalactic power from that time <.< |
| 02:12.43 | Cuttlefish | Maybe the way the canon was. I'm ok with magic, but the demon wars thing is something i am absolutely sick of |
| 02:12.48 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 02:13.00 | DrodoEmpire | For better or for worse there's not much of that currently |
| 02:13.13 | Cuttlefish | How much you like the xhodocto is proportional to how long you have been here |
| 02:13.15 | DrodoEmpire | And as with everything in fiction you can more or less opt out of it if it isn't your fancy |
| 02:13.20 | Cuttlefish | yeah |
| 02:13.29 | Cuttlefish | I thought I had to participate in collabs |
| 02:13.37 | DrodoEmpire | Nah, not required at all |
| 02:13.44 | Cuttlefish | But I'm ok with storytelling at my own pace and collabing when I want to |
| 02:13.51 | DrodoEmpire | If you wish we can collab, if you get a fiction up and running |
| 02:14.24 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, that's good by me |
| 02:14.48 | Cuttlefish | Well the shellious are an orphaned work. I'm done with them. Monet and Tybunsen are it's inheritors. I still need to make something new. |
| 02:16.19 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 02:16.23 | DrodoEmpire | Fair enough |
| 02:17.13 | Cuttlefish | I will use them if tybunsen goes through with finishing the second bunsen war. We never did finish that. |
| 02:17.27 | Cuttlefish | But other than that, I want to try something new |
| 02:17.43 | Cuttlefish | preferably a tier 5 hasn't made contact with other aliens kind of thing |
| 02:17.44 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 02:17.48 | DrodoEmpire | Oh cool |
| 02:17.56 | DrodoEmpire | That's pretty rare nowadays |
| 02:18.36 | Cuttlefish | Something else I realised is that it was hard for me to grasp the concept of such a large empire. I'll start small. |
| 02:18.38 | DrodoEmpire | Honestly, has some cool collab opportunities- first contact stories are few and far between nowdats |
| 02:18.46 | DrodoEmpire | *nowadats |
| 02:18.47 | DrodoEmpire | *ys |
| 02:19.12 | DrodoEmpire | Any real ideas regarding the T5 so far? |
| 02:19.57 | Cuttlefish | Only unconnected details |
| 02:20.02 | Cuttlefish | Nothing that glues them |
| 02:20.09 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 02:21.34 | DrodoEmpire | I'm happy to assist in fiction stuff, if you need |
| 02:21.49 | DrodoEmpire | I have some knowledge in stuff like military and history/cultural stuff |
| 02:22.03 | Cuttlefish | Yeah. That's cool. |
| 02:22.04 | DrodoEmpire | (how societies develop, etc.) |
| 02:22.37 | Cuttlefish | It would also be interesting to see how it would be different if I made them weird. Like how their art would look if they are tetrachromats. |
| 02:23.07 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
| 02:23.13 | Cuttlefish | Or how chemical warfare (ie gunpower )would be different in a world where hydrocarbons replace water |
| 02:23.15 | DrodoEmpire | (Not familiar with the term-- explain?) |
| 02:23.21 | DrodoEmpire | Huh, yeah |
| 02:23.28 | Cuttlefish | humans have three color cone things in our eyes |
| 02:23.32 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 02:23.44 | Cuttlefish | animals such as chameleons and butterflies have 4 |
| 02:23.49 | Cuttlefish | so they have 4 primary colors |
| 02:23.51 | Cuttlefish | not 3 |
| 02:24.17 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, interesting |
| 02:24.35 | Cuttlefish | and there are other combinations too. pigeons may have 5, shrimp may have 16. and marine mammals have only 1 as they are more focused on low light vision than color |
| 02:24.57 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I'm no good with biology >.< Which is why the Drodo are mostly humanoid and I focus most of my speculation on culture(s), govt, warfare, etc. |
| 02:25.02 | Cuttlefish | and even among trichromats they may be different |
| 02:25.18 | DrodoEmpire | Huh, cool |
| 02:25.34 | Cuttlefish | for example honey bees have unltraviolet instead of red? i don't know which one ultraviolet replaces |
| 02:25.36 | DrodoEmpire | Biological differences like thqat could have *huge* implications for society and history |
| 02:25.57 | Cuttlefish | Or maybe they don't see at all and echolocate. |
| 02:26.38 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 02:27.04 | Cuttlefish | It's weird those potential beings that can't have writing as we know it? Like blind mole people or the flatlanders who being 2 dimensional cannot encode information easily on a surface |
| 02:27.25 | DrodoEmpire | Even with these however, I suppose some things would be givens- universals- that could anchor some feeling of similarity or reason |
| 02:28.10 | Cuttlefish | Well yes, all sapient species must have language however alien. I mean they might not,but without it, technology cannot advance and art cannot be created |
| 02:28.29 | DrodoEmpire | Assuming the beings are two-dimensional, for example, the basic rules of war will always remain- everyone will need food and probably food production to sustain larger populations, and food production requires government to regulate and distribute, etc. |
| 02:28.46 | DrodoEmpire | *three |
| 02:28.54 | DrodoEmpire | three-dimensional |
| 02:29.01 | DrodoEmpire | (bad at math too, can;t you tell?) |
| 02:29.03 | Cuttlefish | 2 dimensional beings could still participate in war and have government and other complex things |
| 02:29.17 | Cuttlefish | sounds can still move in 2 dimensional space |
| 02:29.19 | DrodoEmpire | Right, but the nature of these things *could* change |
| 02:29.23 | Cuttlefish | so they can still talk |
| 02:29.24 | DrodoEmpire | Not necessarily |
| 02:29.29 | DrodoEmpire | In fact I doubt they would |
| 02:29.31 | DrodoEmpire | But could |
| 02:31.15 | Cuttlefish | I do think they could see though. They would infer 2 dimensional shapes from 1 dimensional vision. Due to this, all creatures in this world would only need one eye, as depth perception is impossible |
| 02:31.16 | DrodoEmpire | Basic facts like war is based on money and deception, armies can be divided roughly in to van, centre, rear, and the flanks, and you need a 20-10 to one numbers advantage to properly encircle (with notable exceptions) will alwys remain |
| 02:31.27 | DrodoEmpire | *20 or 10 |
| 02:32.04 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right |
| 02:32.38 | DrodoEmpire | (I mean, I *suppose* the Battle of Cannae could play out in two-dimensions <.<( |
| 02:32.56 | Cuttlefish | What about flying creatures who can move up and down. Also think about bees. They don't even have leadership. |
| 02:32.56 | DrodoEmpire | (and astound and befuddle two-dimensional military scientists everywhere_ |
| 02:33.31 | Cuttlefish | Bee people also wouldn't have a concept of family relations |
| 02:33.47 | Cuttlefish | since they are all siblings to every other member of the hive other than the queen |
| 02:33.50 | DrodoEmpire | Right, whether a bee hive could be considered a society or civilisation's highly debatable |
| 02:34.02 | Cuttlefish | but like advanced space bees |
| 02:34.10 | Cuttlefish | hypothetically |
| 02:34.13 | DrodoEmpire | Their organisation's a matter of biology, not of mental and administrative work like with humans |
| 02:34.15 | Cuttlefish | aliens inspired by bee stuff |
| 02:34.43 | DrodoEmpire | Well, then it'd be a race of very intelligent bees, whose societal cohesion might be helped by an inherently collectivst nature |
| 02:35.33 | DrodoEmpire | A civilisation could not develop via biological evolution by its very natur |
| 02:35.35 | DrodoEmpire | *e |
| 02:35.54 | Cuttlefish | maybe |
| 02:37.11 | Cuttlefish | I don't think i'll need too many descriptions of how detailed military actions work. i'm more interested in the historical reasons for why wars may happen in the first place |
| 02:37.33 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 02:38.14 | DrodoEmpire | I can help with that as well- as much as I love reading about, say, the evolution of the pike-and-shot, its often more important to read about the context of the Thirty Years' War where the pike-and-shot so often featrued |
| 02:40.37 | Cuttlefish | I'd like to see more stories about non violent conflicts. Like a civilisation has just invented a primitive stock exchange. And people have never encountered a bubble before and must deal with the consequences of their first one. |
| 02:41.13 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, I like non-violent stories too |
| 02:41.14 | DrodoEmpire | As for that |
| 02:41.23 | DrodoEmpire | I *do* have a pre-industrial species |
| 02:41.36 | DrodoEmpire | They're named the Silvan- basically a species of marsupials, vaguely humanoid |
| 02:41.50 | DrodoEmpire | They coexist with Drodo settlers on a planet named New Aratacia |
| 02:42.15 | Cuttlefish | cool |
| 02:42.19 | DrodoEmpire | I *have* pondered stories surrounding their modernisation or learning of foreign things] |
| 02:42.32 | Cuttlefish | yeah that's interesting too. |
| 02:42.44 | DrodoEmpire | Including one where basically a Silvan Marco Polo goes around the gigaquadrant and records shit |
| 02:42.59 | Cuttlefish | Also I'm interested in the legal implications of the existence of magic/essence powers. If I decide to include it, knowledge of how it works would be a guarded secret my governments only taught to soldiers. SOmething akin to supernatural gun control |
| 02:43.07 | Cuttlefish | Oh I like that explorer idea |
| 02:43.31 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, that's something I've thought about with the Drodo |
| 02:44.06 | DrodoEmpire | ultimately I've sorta figured essence users are rare among the Drodo, and those who possessed such powers were often regarded, variably, as great shamans, warriors- or witches/sorcerers |
| 02:45.02 | Cuttlefish | And depending on it's use it may replace the development of some technology. If "wizards" can travel between planets without a spaceship, it is unlikely that a government would spend billions on a rocket that could be replaced with a teleport spell |
| 02:45.25 | Cuttlefish | However many other things would be unnaffected |
| 02:46.03 | Cuttlefish | Mechanical flight like airships would still be a thing cause most people aren't superpowered and they would try to invent things |
| 02:47.45 | Cuttlefish | Also if a civilisation finds out how to travel to other worlds too early, they may ignore any attempts to regulate pollution or unification between nations |
| 02:48.24 | Cuttlefish | cause "who cares about global warming we can just conquer something else" or "we don't need to share our world we can just move somewhere else" |
| 02:50.20 | Tek0516 | Or more like "who cares about global warming when we gave magic ice powers." :P |
| 02:50.55 | Cuttlefish | Oh hello quiet friend didn't see you there. |
| 02:51.01 | Cuttlefish | Yeah maybe |
| 02:52.56 | Cuttlefish | I'd also like to see a slice of life for a non famous resident of a hypothetical planet. Not everyone can be a king/warrior/spanish inquisition in space |
| 02:55.04 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 02:55.09 | DrodoEmpire | I do like that idea |
| 02:55.31 | DrodoEmpire | I've tried to make fiction surrounding the average Drodo, as much as possible |
| 02:56.20 | DrodoEmpire | Most of my more recent stories often surround pretty regular people- my contribution to "Da Reckoning" has two of its main cast as an IDMP (Imperial Drodo Mounted Police) officer and a Drodo cavalryman |
| 02:56.32 | DrodoEmpire | A constable and a private/corporal, respectively |
| 02:57.15 | DrodoEmpire | About the most famous people are the local duke who runs New Aratacia's biggest Drodo city and the governor |
| 02:59.09 | Cuttlefish | cool |
| 03:00.28 | Cuttlefish | and also like cultural things. there are some famous people i haven't seen like the drodo probably have like Drollywood or something and people might follow the lives of actors who are unknown in other regions of the universe |
| 03:01.40 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 03:02.05 | DrodoEmpire | I've given thought to Drodo cinema- I see a lot of epics and old-style war movies, in the style of Waterloo and the like |
| 03:02.42 | DrodoEmpire | Also- rotoscoping. Because rotoscoping's just cool <.< |
| 03:03.05 | DrodoEmpire | Really I do love fluff |
| 03:03.15 | DrodoEmpire | I have so much of it I can barely find the time to write it down |
| 03:04.55 | DrodoEmpire | I got the essentials well-defined though, regarding their "culture" |
| 03:05.11 | DrodoEmpire | (in quotes, as the Empire is about as far from culturally-unified as you can get) |
| 03:09.08 | DrodoEmpire | A few universals though- the Drodo are all pretty conservative culturally in the sense that they're *incredibly* proud and protective of their traditions, faith, identity, etc. |
| 03:10.22 | DrodoEmpire | Basically for a Drodo their loyalties break down as follows: Its your clan first, then your tribe (if you're Bellowese), then your people, then the provincial government, and *then* the feds |
| 03:10.31 | Tek0516 | I was rewatching some Star Wars: The Clone Wars and I always found this one scene cool. Palpatine fighting both Darth Maul and his apprentice, and the whole time he's overpowering both of them while looking like he's barely even trying. XD |
| 03:10.40 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 03:10.41 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 03:10.51 | DrodoEmpire | The old 2d series? |
| 03:11.03 | Cuttlefish | I love that scene |
| 03:11.05 | Tek0516 | No, the 3D one. |
| 03:11.06 | Cuttlefish | ICONIC |
| 03:11.08 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 03:11.19 | DrodoEmpire | 2d series was the coolest shit ever, but I liked the 3d one too |
| 03:11.23 | DrodoEmpire | It got better with time |
| 03:11.49 | Cuttlefish | and he just casually walks into the palace thing and force chokes the guards with no effort |
| 03:11.56 | Tek0516 | I rewatched one of the first season ones briefly and wow the animation looks bad now. XD |
| 03:12.19 | Cuttlefish | both series are wonderful and i shall treasure them for eternity |
| 03:12.31 | DrodoEmpire | Tek: Yeah... |
| 03:12.42 | DrodoEmpire | If not dated, not as good as a remembered it |
| 03:12.44 | Tek0516 | So... that kind of robotic simple animation |
| 03:12.46 | DrodoEmpire | *I |
| 03:12.52 | DrodoEmpire | It was low-budget |
| 03:13.12 | Tek0516 | It was better in later seasons but early on was quite bad it seems. :P |
| 03:13.24 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 03:13.40 | DrodoEmpire | I recall this one story arc was *awesome* up until the very end |
| 03:14.00 | Cuttlefish | which one? |
| 03:14.09 | DrodoEmpire | It was... Surprisingly dark and adult for most of it, then it ruined it by making what was once a very morally grey commentary on war in to a black-and-white thing |
| 03:14.37 | DrodoEmpire | It was one of the later seasons- basically it followed this platoon of clones and their *super* callous Jedi general |
| 03:14.54 | Tek0516 | Yeah, I know which one you mean I think |
| 03:15.01 | Cuttlefish | the thing where he made the clones kill eachother |
| 03:15.16 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, when it was revealed at the *very* end he was a sith agent or whatever |
| 03:15.26 | Cuttlefish | pong krell? |
| 03:15.27 | DrodoEmpire | Completely fucked the dog at that point |
| 03:15.31 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps yea |
| 03:15.39 | Tek0516 | According to Netflix it was Episodes 7-10 of Season 4. |
| 03:15.44 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right |
| 03:15.56 | Tek0516 | And the name Krell seems correct |
| 03:17.03 | DrodoEmpire | I'm bored, so I'ma make like a "SW leaders in a picture" compilation <.< |
| 03:17.08 | DrodoEmpire | *SporeWiki |
| 03:17.34 | Tek0516 | I'm just playing my EU4 Luxembourg game. :P |
| 03:17.41 | Cuttlefish | oh my goose. this is the first time i've noticed that coincidence |
| 03:17.59 | DrodoEmpire | https://degraffenreedreport.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/milogaypart2.jpg?w=660 - Found C in a picture Tek0516 |
| 03:18.16 | DrodoEmpire | The... Eh, "eccentric" leader of the Empire |
| 03:18.25 | Cuttlefish | this picture just took 5 years off my life |
| 03:18.36 | DrodoEmpire | Naaah, Milo Yiannopoulos is <3 |
| 03:18.43 | Tek0516 | Got my three province territory, a two-province vassal, and two humiliated rivals so my game is starting off well. :P |
| 03:18.50 | Tek0516 | O.O |
| 03:19.55 | Cuttlefish | are you both american? |
| 03:20.06 | DrodoEmpire | Nah, I'm Canadian |
| 03:20.08 | DrodoEmpire | So is Tek |
| 03:20.12 | Cuttlefish | ok |
| 03:21.09 | Cuttlefish | i was wondering cause time zone wise it's like 4am there |
| 03:21.19 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 03:21.59 | Cuttlefish | it's fun how many different countries users come from |
| 03:22.03 | Tek0516 | We're fairly spread worldwide as a community. |
| 03:22.41 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 03:22.50 | Tek0516 | Canada, USA, UK, Russia, Australia, Brazil (I think that's Oluap?) just off the top of my head. |
| 03:22.51 | DrodoEmpire | A lot of the old guard are from the UK |
| 03:22.55 | DrodoEmpire | But yeah |
| 03:23.01 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah Oluap's Brazilian |
| 03:23.04 | Cuttlefish | who's australian? |
| 03:23.07 | Tek0516 | drom is... Sweden? |
| 03:23.07 | DrodoEmpire | Panda |
| 03:23.12 | DrodoEmpire | drom's Swedish yeah |
| 03:23.18 | DrodoEmpire | Luxor's Polish |
| 03:23.23 | DrodoEmpire | locks his car nervously |
| 03:23.26 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 03:23.27 | DrodoEmpire | >.> |
| 03:23.41 | Cuttlefish | nobody from africa or non-russian asia though? |
| 03:23.45 | Cuttlefish | what? |
| 03:23.45 | Tek0516 | So we have at least four continents covered. :P |
| 03:23.54 | DrodoEmpire | I can't recall any African users |
| 03:24.10 | DrodoEmpire | Cuttlefish: There's a stereotype around the Polish and car theft |
| 03:24.15 | DrodoEmpire | Just a joke |
| 03:24.19 | Cuttlefish | oh |
| 03:24.23 | Cuttlefish | i've never heard of that |
| 03:24.53 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 03:25.38 | Cuttlefish | still pretty uniform in age and gender though. |
| 03:26.35 | DrodoEmpire | Roughly same age bracket yeah |
| 03:26.39 | DrodoEmpire | 14-21 |
| 03:27.21 | Cuttlefish | well when i joined i was younger than 14 |
| 03:27.56 | Cuttlefish | 2010 i think |
| 03:28.36 | DrodoEmpire | Same, though, we were exceptions and fit within the brackets now (I assume) |
| 03:28.51 | DrodoEmpire | I mean I'm 16, soon 17 (not really a secret anymore I guess) |
| 03:29.13 | Tek0516 | As is often discussed we also seem to have a disproportionate amount of users with Autism Spectrum Disorders. :P |
| 03:29.28 | Cuttlefish | well yeah. i can think of like 2 or 3 users who aren't whiteish men below 30 |
| 03:29.34 | Cuttlefish | wut |
| 03:29.48 | Cuttlefish | who's neurodivergant? |
| 03:30.49 | Cuttlefish | I mean I haven't discussed this, so I just assumed you were all neurotypical. Gosh golly this is news to me. |
| 03:32.51 | DrodoEmpire | No, I've been diagnosed with like really mild autism- that was years ago though and I don't think it shows |
| 03:33.13 | DrodoEmpire | Effectively I'm just a little introverted :p |
| 03:34.10 | Tek0516 | Me and Wormy both have Asperger's. I forget what Monet has. I think other's have mentioned some at some points. |
| 03:34.10 | DrodoEmpire | Doesn't really matter to me much tbh- hardly something to base one's character or identity on |
| 03:34.48 | Cuttlefish | i guess. i do consider it a significant part of my identity even if i don't mention it online |
| 03:35.13 | Cuttlefish | well i do on tumblr but only when i'm complaining about things where it is related |
| 03:35.23 | DrodoEmpire | I never give much thought to identity in general to be fair |
| 03:36.05 | DrodoEmpire | Mine or others |
| 03:36.22 | Cuttlefish | i consider it just as part of my identity as my nationality |
| 03:36.30 | DrodoEmpire | Meh, alright |
| 03:36.38 | Cuttlefish | which i also don't mention. funny story about that |
| 03:37.07 | DrodoEmpire | The one thing I care about is my being Canadian/Commonwealth/Westerner- culture being one of those things that shapes you |
| 03:37.26 | DrodoEmpire | That is for sure |
| 03:38.08 | Cuttlefish | I have that too in my house even though nobody is from a commonwealth country |
| 03:38.24 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 03:38.27 | Cuttlefish | i mean my mom is from bogota but she's a total anglophile. |
| 03:38.36 | Cuttlefish | she lived in the uk and wishes she never left |
| 03:40.17 | Cuttlefish | she isn't english but she sounds english cause when she learned english it was in britain |
| 03:40.25 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 03:41.22 | Cuttlefish | i used to have an english accent |
| 03:41.26 | Cuttlefish | not anymore |
| 03:41.52 | DrodoEmpire | I don't even know how I speak |
| 03:42.03 | DrodoEmpire | "Nova Scotian Drawl" is how I'd describe it |
| 03:42.18 | Cuttlefish | oh course accents are varied in my family |
| 03:42.49 | Cuttlefish | my father and sister sometimes ignore the letter r |
| 03:43.34 | DrodoEmpire | As an example- I never say "I'm going to give you this paper", its a bit more like "Ahm gunna give you nn-this paper" (emphasising/slightly exaggerating pronunciation for demonstration's sake) |
| 03:44.07 | Cuttlefish | and like my grandfather speaks with a super thick egyptian accent and rolls his rs even those english doesn't have that |
| 03:44.19 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, interesting |
| 03:44.49 | DrodoEmpire | A lot of family members from my mother's side have pretty thick regional dialects- sounds vaguely Celtic |
| 03:45.48 | Cuttlefish | sometimes my family will still use their native tongues which is embaressing cause i only speak english |
| 03:46.47 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 03:47.15 | Cuttlefish | At least I know how to pronounce spanish words |
| 03:47.29 | DrodoEmpire | As far as I know my mother's side used to be Francophone- but it was my mother's generation that made the full transition to English and left French behind |
| 03:47.35 | Cuttlefish | No idea about the arabic though. completely different writing and all |
| 03:49.19 | Cuttlefish | And my mom also speaks a bunch of other languages cause my grandparents are former diplomats |
| 03:49.24 | DrodoEmpire | Oh cool |
| 03:50.14 | Tek0516 | I've got whatever you'd consider the Ontario accent. I'm not even sure what its traits are |
| 03:50.18 | Cuttlefish | I think french, spanish, vietnamese, greek, and maybe others |
| 03:50.44 | Cuttlefish | i assume my step-grandma also speaks latvian and chinese |
| 03:50.59 | DrodoEmpire | I've asked around and did some research as I was curious-- it turns out there are indeed distinct regional dialects in Nova Scotia |
| 03:51.13 | DrodoEmpire | None of them exactly imbued with prestige, but I'm proud regardless |
| 03:51.25 | Tek0516 | starts a wikipedia search on the Canadian accent |
| 03:51.28 | DrodoEmpire | I like how I speak |
| 03:51.33 | Cuttlefish | i think the accents of new england are somewhat known by media |
| 03:51.37 | Cuttlefish | mostly to make fun of them |
| 03:51.40 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah Canada itself has some interesting characteristics |
| 03:51.47 | DrodoEmpire | "Canadian raising" I believe |
| 03:51.58 | Cuttlefish | like ending sentences that aren't questions as if they were |
| 03:52.04 | DrodoEmpire | Sorta yeah |
| 03:52.17 | DrodoEmpire | (Oh also- I can confirm that Newfoundlanders speak an entirely different fucking language >.<) |
| 03:52.17 | Tek0516 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Shift There's this one too |
| 03:52.43 | Cuttlefish | don't they speak french like in quebec? |
| 03:52.44 | DrodoEmpire | Even the most civilised among them still have a *very* distinct manner of speech that is, thankfully, identifiably English after much analysis |
| 03:52.45 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 03:52.50 | DrodoEmpire | Nononono |
| 03:53.07 | DrodoEmpire | You're thinking of the Great Dumpster Fire, New Brunswick |
| 03:53.11 | DrodoEmpire | >.> |
| 03:53.21 | DrodoEmpire | The only officially-bilingual province |
| 03:53.27 | Tek0516 | Basically pronoucing the sounds for "cot" and "caught" the same. Which is something I've just realized I do unless I'm trying not to. |
| 03:53.28 | Cuttlefish | i think that's the only place i've ever been in canada |
| 03:53.41 | DrodoEmpire | Tek: fuck! Me too |
| 03:54.02 | DrodoEmpire | Never actually figured they *were* pronounced differently, really |
| 03:54.08 | Cuttlefish | i cant pronounce words like "lists" that have an s t s |
| 03:54.15 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 03:54.28 | Cuttlefish | yet i can roll my rs and pronounce clicks |
| 03:54.39 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe it subtle stuff like this that means people like my brother are always asked if they're canadian by other players on like CS:GO |
| 03:55.03 | Cuttlefish | i'd love it if english was a click language, it's so fun to pronounce |
| 03:55.07 | DrodoEmpire | Granted, my brother's also assimilated a lot of local newfoundlander accent from living there |
| 03:55.13 | DrodoEmpire | So it could be that |
| 03:55.14 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: Apparently the British way is splitting the au? |
| 03:55.15 | DrodoEmpire | Eh perhaps |
| 03:55.25 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, yes |
| 03:55.30 | DrodoEmpire | They overpronounce I guess |
| 03:55.56 | Cuttlefish | I forget about the existence of the letter t sometimes |
| 03:56.02 | DrodoEmpire | How do you mean? |
| 03:56.06 | Tek0516 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_English#Phonemic_incidence DrodoEmpire: ...some many of these little things you just don't notice unless you're looking |
| 03:56.10 | Cuttlefish | pronouncing winter as winner |
| 03:56.14 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 03:56.29 | Cuttlefish | or water as wader |
| 03:57.21 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I insist on pronouncing "Lieutenant" as "Lef-tenant" |
| 03:58.06 | Tek0516 | I typically go with the American version there |
| 03:58.13 | DrodoEmpire | Bah |
| 03:58.18 | DrodoEmpire | Not a real Canadian |
| 03:58.19 | Cuttlefish | there's no f in it |
| 03:58.31 | Cuttlefish | why pronounce a letter that's not there |
| 03:58.35 | Cuttlefish | spelling is so dumb |
| 03:58.43 | Cuttlefish | at least we have it better than french |
| 03:58.59 | DrodoEmpire | No languages are entirely consistent |
| 03:59.12 | DrodoEmpire | And I believe Lieutenant, like many military terms, originate from medieval French |
| 03:59.24 | DrodoEmpire | Which probably has a lot to do with its correct, British, pronunciation |
| 03:59.27 | Cuttlefish | then again words like colonel wednesday and worchester are the banes of my existence |
| 03:59.58 | Cuttlefish | in my head i spell it out as wed-ness-day with three syllablles |
| 04:00.03 | Cuttlefish | i hate how it is spelled |
| 04:00.19 | Tek0516 | Honestly when in doubt one the proper english version I go with the actual English one. :P |
| 04:01.13 | DrodoEmpire | "Cavalry" and "Sergeant" being other such examples of medieval french loanwords |
| 04:01.17 | Cuttlefish | I have long since given up on "proper english" |
| 04:01.31 | Cuttlefish | dude like half of all words in english are loanwords from french or latin |
| 04:01.39 | Cuttlefish | and 3/4 are loanwords from any language |
| 04:01.55 | Cuttlefish | english isn't very germanic in the vocabulary department |
| 04:02.03 | Cuttlefish | it lost allot of stuff |
| 04:02.04 | DrodoEmpire | I'd be very surprised if "Cuirassier" wasn't French |
| 04:02.13 | DrodoEmpire | Germanic in structure, and very clearly at that |
| 04:02.21 | DrodoEmpire | But yeah most of its vocabulary is Romanti |
| 04:02.22 | DrodoEmpire | *c |
| 04:02.29 | Cuttlefish | like a sort of germanic romance creole |
| 04:02.37 | DrodoEmpire | No, very certainly Germanic |
| 04:02.45 | DrodoEmpire | Just with a Romantic coat of paint |
| 04:02.46 | Tek0516 | Yep, Germanic structure but Romantic vocabulary. |
| 04:02.47 | Cuttlefish | simplified germanic grammar with lots of romance words |
| 04:03.05 | Cuttlefish | heavily simplified compared to old english |
| 04:03.10 | Cuttlefish | we used to have grammatical gender |
| 04:03.28 | DrodoEmpire | Until we realised it makes no fucking sense for a chair to be female |
| 04:03.29 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 04:03.51 | Cuttlefish | yeah that's one thing i refuse to include in a conlang |
| 04:04.14 | Cuttlefish | and articles. articles are stupid |
| 04:04.22 | DrodoEmpire | There's a reason why *Britain* ruled the world, I tell you |
| 04:04.28 | Cuttlefish | empire |
| 04:04.33 | Cuttlefish | because empire |
| 04:04.39 | Cuttlefish | it's pretty obvious why |
| 04:04.44 | DrodoEmpire | Well no |
| 04:04.50 | DrodoEmpire | Empire is the end result of ruling the world |
| 04:04.56 | Tek0516 | Though I've even seen it mentioned that a lot of the "fancier" words are from French, while the "common" words are from the Anglo-Saxons, all the mixing from the Norman nobility. |
| 04:05.00 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 04:05.02 | DrodoEmpire | Indeed |
| 04:05.18 | DrodoEmpire | Most informal or common words are germanic, while formal words are often romantic |
| 04:05.22 | DrodoEmpire | Showing an ancient class divide |
| 04:05.41 | Cuttlefish | How do you feel about articles like "the" and "a" |
| 04:05.46 | Cuttlefish | I think they're stupid |
| 04:05.49 | DrodoEmpire | Meh |
| 04:06.12 | Tek0516 | I'm not sure what you mean |
| 04:06.21 | DrodoEmpire | The articles "the" and "a" are good things to have- a truth if there ever was one |
| 04:06.22 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 04:06.29 | Cuttlefish | The difference between "a book" and "the book" are meaningless |
| 04:06.34 | DrodoEmpire | No |
| 04:06.37 | Cuttlefish | the doesn't actually tell you which |
| 04:06.42 | Cuttlefish | without prior knowledge |
| 04:06.44 | DrodoEmpire | Not... really |
| 04:07.11 | DrodoEmpire | Not colloquially |
| 04:07.22 | Tek0516 | "a" means an instance of something, "the" means the specific instance of something (intentional recursive definition. :P) |
| 04:07.50 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 04:07.52 | Cuttlefish | "give me a object" is asking for an indefinite object. "give me the object" is asking for a definite specific object |
| 04:08.09 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, sorta |
| 04:08.23 | DrodoEmpire | "hand me a wrench" sorta implies you got a couple, or just any will do |
| 04:08.46 | Cuttlefish | And you can't know which one the "the" is reffering to without prior knowledge |
| 04:08.58 | DrodoEmpire | "hand me *the* wrench" sorta implies there's one, or, depending on context and tense, you're being specific as to which |
| 04:09.00 | DrodoEmpire | So? |
| 04:09.17 | Cuttlefish | so it doesn't seem to serve any practical application |
| 04:09.20 | DrodoEmpire | All that means is that language is context-sensitive |
| 04:09.28 | Cuttlefish | "give me book" would be fine |
| 04:09.31 | Tek0516 | "the" is inherently a context-based shorthand. |
| 04:09.45 | Cuttlefish | cause you already know which book they want by the context of how earlier they said that wanted that one |
| 04:10.06 | DrodoEmpire | Trust me, I know the practicality of "a" and "the" after sixteen years of english-speaking |
| 04:10.06 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 04:10.10 | Tek0516 | Noone is going to say the long descriptor for which wrench, eventually it's assumed you know which wrench |
| 04:10.19 | DrodoEmpire | I'll keep them around, thanks |
| 04:10.25 | Cuttlefish | same thing with adding agglutination for plural when you are specifying number |
| 04:10.41 | DrodoEmpire | I, for one, see the complexity and vocabulary of English as an advantage |
| 04:10.52 | DrodoEmpire | I'm naturally suspicious of any and all attempts to "simplify" language |
| 04:11.03 | Cuttlefish | Language is about COMMUNICATION |
| 04:11.11 | DrodoEmpire | No shit |
| 04:11.12 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 04:11.16 | Cuttlefish | it should be as easy to understand as possible |
| 04:11.33 | DrodoEmpire | No, not necessarily |
| 04:11.48 | DrodoEmpire | And "a" and "the" have never disrupted communication at any point |
| 04:11.56 | DrodoEmpire | Ever |
| 04:11.58 | DrodoEmpire | In history |
| 04:11.58 | Cuttlefish | I'm not saying they are bad |
| 04:12.04 | Cuttlefish | i'm saying they aren't good either |
| 04:12.14 | Tek0516 | Yes, but sometimes you don't need to be entirely exact. Once you have the context you shouldn't need to specify you need "the red wrench with the fancy grip" or whatever/ |
| 04:12.22 | DrodoEmpire | As for that- no, it shouldn't necessarily be easy to understand as not all things *are* easy to understand |
| 04:12.25 | Cuttlefish | and that they give no advantage to english over say russian which doesn't have them |
| 04:12.47 | DrodoEmpire | By "streamlining" a language you are narrowing its use, and what can *be* communicated |
| 04:12.56 | Tek0516 | If you're using a "the" without the context you're using the language wrong in the first place. |
| 04:13.17 | Cuttlefish | Then why do you need "the" |
| 04:13.22 | Cuttlefish | what does it add |
| 04:13.27 | Cuttlefish | that you don't already know |
| 04:13.31 | DrodoEmpire | You remove subtleties, history, richness, and probably also inadvertantly practicalities evolved over generations |
| 04:13.55 | DrodoEmpire | So, no, I have no interest in making a language "efficient", so i dismiss your entire argument's basis |
| 04:14.23 | Tek0516 | Not using "The" meaning giving the longer definition each time, slowing the flow of information without providing any new information. |
| 04:14.24 | DrodoEmpire | As we have conflicting interests |
| 04:14.38 | DrodoEmpire | Assuming you're correct even |
| 04:15.17 | Cuttlefish | Its ok to disagree. At least we do agree that grammatical gender is flippin bananas |
| 04:15.31 | DrodoEmpire | Naturally |
| 04:15.42 | Cuttlefish | Swahili has 17 noun cases |
| 04:16.16 | DrodoEmpire | The Chinese languages have a very primitive writing system which brings its own issues |
| 04:16.38 | DrodoEmpire | Very sophisticated, old, and complex- but simply not advanced in its concept or executio |
| 04:16.39 | Cuttlefish | Chinese characters are not primitive |
| 04:16.54 | DrodoEmpire | The very basis of them is pretty rudimentary as far as concept goes |
| 04:17.16 | Cuttlefish | Chinese is an analytic language and a tonal language |
| 04:17.26 | Cuttlefish | it makes sense for them to use a logographic script |
| 04:17.28 | DrodoEmpire | This one unique symbol represents a single or set of concepts, things, etc. |
| 04:17.41 | DrodoEmpire | It can get clumsy, especially when applied to othe rlanguages |
| 04:17.44 | DrodoEmpire | Like Japanese |
| 04:17.50 | DrodoEmpire | Who try to shoehorn it in |
| 04:17.51 | Cuttlefish | japanese isn't though |
| 04:18.03 | Cuttlefish | japanese characters are syllabic |
| 04:18.15 | Cuttlefish | each character represents a single syllable |
| 04:18.18 | DrodoEmpire | Much better to come up with an alphabet or abjad |
| 04:18.29 | DrodoEmpire | Right, actual proper Japanese characters don't I know that |
| 04:18.37 | Cuttlefish | abugidas tho |
| 04:18.46 | DrodoEmpire | But they also use Chinese characters, making for a very awkward thing |
| 04:18.59 | DrodoEmpire | Its a rarer thing nowadays but my poit stands |
| 04:19.02 | Cuttlefish | they have a third script too for foreign words |
| 04:19.26 | DrodoEmpire | Alphabets tend to just simplify things- they're such a good idea |
| 04:19.49 | Cuttlefish | Not for every language |
| 04:20.03 | DrodoEmpire | They can express an infinite number of ideas with a very finite set of characters |
| 04:20.38 | DrodoEmpire | What languages can't be adequately transcribed to an alphabet, be it the Latin alphabet or others |
| 04:20.40 | DrodoEmpire | *? |
| 04:20.54 | Cuttlefish | Yes but the same information can be expressed through other scripts depending on the language. English could very easily be written in devanagari which is not an alphabet |
| 04:21.01 | Cuttlefish | with no loss of sound |
| 04:21.12 | Cuttlefish | alphabets are cool |
| 04:21.15 | Cuttlefish | but not superior |
| 04:21.42 | DrodoEmpire | I'm not a linguist, so I'm not super qualified to speak on this matter anyway |
| 04:21.50 | DrodoEmpire | But forgive me for being skeptical. :p |
| 04:21.54 | Cuttlefish | additionally writing a single character for a syllable instead of say 3 works much better to speed things up |
| 04:22.06 | Cuttlefish | you shouldn't apologize for being skeptical |
| 04:22.31 | DrodoEmpire | I didn't- not really, anyway |
| 04:22.54 | Cuttlefish | even so, being skeptical is good. debating with eachother brings us both closer to truth |
| 04:23.02 | DrodoEmpire | I do know |
| 04:23.42 | Cuttlefish | it's fun to have friendly arguments where nobody is yelling and everyone is learning from one another |
| 04:23.45 | DrodoEmpire | What I fear though is that, and this could be me bringing ideology into an arena where it doesn't belong, is that you're trying too hard not to name one system better |
| 04:23.51 | DrodoEmpire | You're being a relativist |
| 04:24.23 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, I'm not well-read on this subject but I do believe the Chinese government even has floated the idea of phasing out characters |
| 04:24.48 | DrodoEmpire | either for a Hangul-esque system or an alphabet |
| 04:24.52 | Cuttlefish | Really? |
| 04:25.05 | DrodoEmpire | Don't quote me, I could be completely wrong |
| 04:25.09 | Cuttlefish | Hangul is an alphabet |
| 04:25.19 | DrodoEmpire | Right. |
| 04:25.49 | Cuttlefish | of course since they form syllable blocks the classification could get kinda wonky |
| 04:26.06 | DrodoEmpire | I think some places in Indochina have also been using latin letters ever since French colonial times |
| 04:26.11 | DrodoEmpire | For their native language |
| 04:26.14 | Cuttlefish | Language and writing are both part of a big messy onion of miscommunication |
| 04:26.31 | Cuttlefish | It's hard to put things into neat little categories |
| 04:26.45 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 04:27.01 | DrodoEmpire | But- on occasion- some things *are* better than others |
| 04:27.13 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe not in writing, I could be wrong |
| 04:27.41 | DrodoEmpire | As sometimes there's also many right answers |
| 04:27.47 | Cuttlefish | Some writing systems are better than others specifically in the context of specific languages |
| 04:28.00 | Cuttlefish | different languages go better with different scripts |
| 04:28.17 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps, but I wouldn't be surprised if one system's better for the majority of languages |
| 04:28.26 | DrodoEmpire | Depends, really |
| 04:28.32 | Cuttlefish | and it's not always neat. latin letters aren't exactly perfect |
| 04:28.53 | DrodoEmpire | better =/= perfect |
| 04:29.15 | Cuttlefish | i mean can latin letters encode tonality? |
| 04:29.39 | DrodoEmpire | What of the use of accents and other things? |
| 04:29.47 | DrodoEmpire | Could that not be repurposed? |
| 04:29.53 | DrodoEmpire | Or introducing new characters |
| 04:31.29 | Cuttlefish | You could write something in latin letters if you wanted to. but would it really make it any more efficient than it already was |
| 04:31.35 | Cuttlefish | For example hindi |
| 04:31.48 | Cuttlefish | it does just fine with the devanagari abugida |
| 04:31.52 | Cuttlefish | and cree |
| 04:32.17 | DrodoEmpire | Right, perhaps |
| 04:32.32 | DrodoEmpire | I'm not very knowledgeable here so in all likelihood you're right, or more right than I am |
| 04:33.11 | Cuttlefish | Maybe, but I would be a very bad linguist |
| 04:33.20 | DrodoEmpire | Meh |
| 04:33.26 | DrodoEmpire | Also- quick thing about fiction |
| 04:33.40 | DrodoEmpire | It *will* likely be important to write about the military, just a bit |
| 04:33.44 | Cuttlefish | I'm like conflicted between prescriptive and dectiptivism |
| 04:33.47 | Cuttlefish | ok yeah sure |
| 04:33.55 | DrodoEmpire | Luckily me and Charles can help and there's a thriving arms market |
| 04:34.34 | Cuttlefish | anything you want in your fiction that you're not good at? |
| 04:34.50 | DrodoEmpire | Eh, I've played around with writing Drodo languages |
| 04:34.53 | Cuttlefish | I'd love to help out if I can |
| 04:35.22 | DrodoEmpire | Never got very far, but I could use help later in making, say, Aratacian |
| 04:35.38 | Cuttlefish | what is aratacian? |
| 04:36.15 | DrodoEmpire | Its one of the main languages in the Drodo Empire, out of the hundreds there are |
| 04:36.26 | Cuttlefish | cool |
| 04:36.35 | DrodoEmpire | A simplified version of it's used as a common secondary language and language of government |
| 04:36.56 | DrodoEmpire | While traditional Aratacian's used by the Aratacian and Bellowese diasporas |
| 04:37.09 | DrodoEmpire | (Bellowese being similar to the Celts/Irish) |
| 04:37.13 | DrodoEmpire | (historically) |
| 04:37.25 | Cuttlefish | It's one of my fave things to have multicultural alien planets |
| 04:37.44 | DrodoEmpire | yeah the Drodo represent a Austria-Hungary of sorta |
| 04:37.47 | DrodoEmpire | *sorts |
| 04:38.01 | Cuttlefish | wait you mean the drodo empire has more than one species? |
| 04:38.04 | DrodoEmpire | The Empire's highly decentralised and lacks a clear identity as a result of its diversity |
| 04:38.08 | DrodoEmpire | Mm no |
| 04:38.19 | DrodoEmpire | The Drodo are divided among hundreds of cultures and languages and religions though |
| 04:38.25 | DrodoEmpire | Aliens make up a small minority |
| 04:38.58 | DrodoEmpire | The idea that every alien society has exactly one culture is one that always pissed me off by how absurd it is- so I defy it here |
| 04:39.06 | Cuttlefish | gud |
| 04:39.40 | DrodoEmpire | So, yeah, this is on the whole a complication, to say the least, with the Empire |
| 04:40.25 | Cuttlefish | so is the empire like a confederation of the nations of coron who are seperate within the empire but unitedd only when dealing with foreign civilizations |
| 04:40.42 | DrodoEmpire | It means the federal government basically is a universally-agreed upon representative of the Drodo people, and... little else. They're allowed management of the federal military and to collect tax, and then the day-to-day is run by provincial governments, mayors, and aristocrats |
| 04:40.49 | DrodoEmpire | No, not really |
| 04:41.17 | DrodoEmpire | The countries of old coron ceased to exist, replaced by a weak federal government tasked with international representation |
| 04:41.33 | DrodoEmpire | and coordinating military efforts and *a* police force |
| 04:41.38 | DrodoEmpire | (far from the only one though_ |
| 04:41.40 | Cuttlefish | ok i'm reading the government section of the page right now |
| 04:41.47 | DrodoEmpire | Might be outdated, lemme check |
| 04:42.09 | DrodoEmpire | nah it ain't |
| 04:42.21 | Cuttlefish | aw man you wrote political parties |
| 04:42.30 | Cuttlefish | awesome |
| 04:42.35 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 04:42.36 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 04:43.02 | DrodoEmpire | But yeah you can get a taste of what its like- individual clan units maintain their own warbands and, for a time, fought regularly with the IDMP |
| 04:43.13 | Cuttlefish | ever notice how the senate in star wars makes no mention of whether any of the politicians are right or left |
| 04:43.30 | DrodoEmpire | (federal police force, which underwent a pretty bad stint of fascist/brutal behavior under a particularly authoritarian premier) |
| 04:43.39 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, I suppose |
| 04:44.14 | Cuttlefish | I like the idea of a collective head of state |
| 04:44.23 | DrodoEmpire | As in, warriors who were essentially civilians blatantly defied the federal government by fighting their cops toe-to-toe, often with the backing of local barons or police |
| 04:44.36 | Cuttlefish | the leader being a council of multiple people with no single leader |
| 04:44.38 | DrodoEmpire | How do you mean? |
| 04:44.43 | DrodoEmpire | That's not it |
| 04:44.48 | DrodoEmpire | The Drodo *do* have a high office |
| 04:44.51 | DrodoEmpire | The Premiership |
| 04:45.02 | Cuttlefish | I didn't say the drodo were |
| 04:45.08 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right |
| 04:45.19 | Cuttlefish | I like the idea |
| 04:45.24 | DrodoEmpire | Eh, hard to implement |
| 04:45.34 | Cuttlefish | It works for the swiss |
| 04:45.55 | Cuttlefish | the president isn't actually a real job there |
| 04:46.17 | DrodoEmpire | Except that they have one |
| 04:46.22 | Cuttlefish | and the diplomatic visit thing is done by the minister of foreign affairs |
| 04:46.33 | DrodoEmpire | And, also, what works for one country and culture doesn't necessarily work for another |
| 04:46.45 | Cuttlefish | well the president is a purely symbolic role given to one of the member of the executive council |
| 04:46.59 | DrodoEmpire | Circumstances are different, and Switzerland is a tiny, neutral country with a long history of council rule |
| 04:48.18 | Cuttlefish | on the contrary switzerland is a quadrilingual diverse confederacy that is like that because the population is so diverse |
| 04:48.41 | DrodoEmpire | ...That does nothing to contradict anything I've said |
| 04:49.25 | DrodoEmpire | You can be a tiny, neutral country with a long history of council rule-- and *also* quadrilingual |
| 04:49.37 | Cuttlefish | well what downside would there be if applied to the scale of a big planet of alien nations |
| 04:50.04 | Cuttlefish | the same thing happens in the united arab emirates |
| 04:50.26 | Cuttlefish | with a council of the emirs of each consituent monarchy |
| 04:50.37 | DrodoEmpire | because government forms are determined by history and circumstance |
| 04:51.04 | DrodoEmpire | An absolute monarchy can be *great* in an agrarian country of minimal advancement, that sees itself at war a lot |
| 04:51.32 | Cuttlefish | it;s just an example. you could also have a council of the presidents of a bunch of contituent republics |
| 04:51.34 | DrodoEmpire | There's *no* squabbling among politicians as to what is done in the case of invasion- the king *is* the state, and will declare war or peace on a whim |
| 04:52.16 | DrodoEmpire | It also means you don't have to spend three years counting and processing votes every election cycle because the roads are shit, most people live in tiny villages, and most people are illiterate and can't vote anyway |
| 04:53.05 | Cuttlefish | is this a criticism of monarchy or the concept of multiple heads of state? |
| 04:53.08 | Cuttlefish | i'm confused |
| 04:53.11 | DrodoEmpire | A big council repulic can be good for a small, relatively peaceful and wealthy country that can afford to take time to do what is desired by the people |
| 04:53.17 | DrodoEmpire | Neither. |
| 04:53.27 | DrodoEmpire | Its showing how govt. form is determined by history and circumstance |
| 04:53.43 | DrodoEmpire | And some are better in some situations than others |
| 04:53.52 | Cuttlefish | i mean votes don't have to be slow. i think the threat of war is a good motivator to act |
| 04:53.59 | DrodoEmpire | Uhh no |
| 04:54.03 | DrodoEmpire | You'd be shocked |
| 04:54.28 | Cuttlefish | and if there is a tie it could be broken by a member with power in that area say the minister of war when the vote concerns defense |
| 04:54.36 | DrodoEmpire | In an agrarian society, votes are counted and cast by hand, polls have to rtnasported to hamlets over shitty dirt roads, etc. |
| 04:54.40 | DrodoEmpire | Its the principle of the thing |
| 04:55.02 | DrodoEmpire | A democracy, up until recently, was often inefficient and impractical |
| 04:55.07 | DrodoEmpire | Furhtermore- culture |
| 04:55.37 | Cuttlefish | the size of said council wouldn't be like 20 people it would be maybe high as 9 or low as 5 or 3 |
| 04:55.50 | DrodoEmpire | You;d be hard-pressed to convince a group of people who believe their king to be chosen by *god* to rule to suddenly throw that away in favour of a councillor republic |
| 04:56.16 | DrodoEmpire | (The French Revolution had literally two-hundred years of buildup, so don't even try to mention it) |
| 04:56.26 | Cuttlefish | that logic could also be said about monarchies becoming any form of republic without a monarch |
| 04:56.34 | DrodoEmpire | Huh? |
| 04:56.38 | DrodoEmpire | No- listen |
| 04:56.45 | DrodoEmpire | These are all ultimately examples |
| 04:56.47 | DrodoEmpire | You can |
| 04:57.01 | DrodoEmpire | *can't just say one government or system *always* works |
| 04:57.05 | DrodoEmpire | Because that isn't true |
| 04:57.07 | Cuttlefish | perhaps they want a compromise and they have a diarchy of a king and president who have equal pwer |
| 04:57.16 | DrodoEmpire | You're missing the point |
| 04:57.19 | Cuttlefish | i'm not saying this system is better or more likely |
| 04:57.27 | DrodoEmpire | These are just examples, to prove a principle |
| 04:57.40 | DrodoEmpire | Now- I need to go as its very late |
| 04:57.44 | Cuttlefish | ok |
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| 12:12.29 | Monet | Hello |
| 12:15.13 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 12:17.57 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 12:18.29 | Monet | I'm on a break but I thought I'd show a WIP http://spacer176.deviantart.com/art/Realm-of-Giants-Tyraz-s-capture-637021370 |
| 12:18.40 | Monet | I'm trying art scenes for Sporewiki again. |
| 12:19.18 | Hachiman | Coming along pretty well |
| 12:19.48 | OluapPlayer | fokin tiny |
| 12:20.04 | Hachiman | Personally I'd beef up Tyraz a little bit; he's short but he's also about as muscular as other Zazane |
| 12:20.13 | Hachiman | He looks a little thin or lithe |
| 12:21.42 | Monet | Yeah. |
| 12:22.02 | Monet | Let me have a look... |
| 12:22.46 | Hachiman | Also I can tell which one's Vet given how fancily he holds his scythe and that coat he wears |
| 12:23.31 | Monet | I thought going back into art scenes would be good for a variety of painting skills. |
| 12:23.44 | Monet | Any thoughts on how we could make Kragh distinct? |
| 12:24.20 | Hachiman | The armour is a good start, maybe giving him some kind of pelt over his shoulders? |
| 12:24.36 | Monet | I'm tempted towards not giving him shoulderpads, to show off his arms. |
| 12:24.44 | Hachiman | That would work as well |
| 12:25.39 | Hachiman | I get reminded of how Kharne goes around with one of his arms completely exposed |
| 12:26.15 | Monet | Given his mindset as a self-styled war-god, Kragh's probably not concerned for armour as protection. |
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| 12:31.27 | Monet | A pelt is a good addition; scary to imagine what kind of monster Kragh would kill to wear as a cloak or affectation. |
| 12:32.20 | Monet | Anything smaller than a full-sized grizzly would be an accessory. |
| 12:34.02 | Imperios | Hiya! |
| 12:34.10 | Monet | Hello |
| 12:34.23 | Monet | Imperios: http://spacer176.deviantart.com/art/Realm-of-Giants-Tyraz-s-capture-637021370 we're talking bout this |
| 12:34.25 | Imperios | Monet: Why pelt though? Why not something scaly or feathery? |
| 12:34.36 | Monet | Ah |
| 12:34.37 | Imperios | Like a Coarlatus hide |
| 12:34.40 | Imperios | coarlatus |
| 12:34.59 | Hachiman | So |
| 12:35.09 | Hachiman | Like what the Salamanders wear |
| 12:35.15 | Monet | I think reptile skins are can be called pelts. |
| 12:35.25 | Hachiman | Yeah I was gonna say, those are pelts |
| 12:35.58 | Monet | Feathers might suit Vet more than Kragh. |
| 12:37.01 | Hachiman | Yeah and scales or fur for Kragh |
| 12:37.18 | Hachiman | Vet's would probably be more decorative and exotic |
| 12:39.26 | Hachiman | You could also have some trophy skulls dangling from Kragh's belt |
| 12:39.31 | Hachiman | Predator-style |
| 12:39.58 | Monet | I'd like to try more scenes later in the year. My lecturers want to wean me off dragons and dinosaurs so while I'm happy to do pics like this, I'm also happy to paint any suggestions |
| 12:40.43 | Hachiman | Jesus vs Thor |
| 12:40.53 | Hachiman | Or Odin |
| 12:41.31 | Monet | I meant Sporewiki scenes but I can put that on a maybe-pile. |
| 12:41.47 | Monet | Little tricky as the wiki is 70% reptile. |
| 12:42.25 | Hachiman | Yeah that's a pain |
| 12:42.35 | Monet | Maybe Kragh wears something like this? http://battle-ready.com/home/wp-content/uploads/cloak_wool_fur_2.jpg |
| 12:42.44 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 12:43.05 | Hachiman | Although I imagine the actual cloak could be longer and rather tattered and worn |
| 12:43.18 | Hachiman | Also, Fantasyverse is largely humanoid at this point |
| 12:43.44 | Monet | Could do Fantasyverse stuff. |
| 12:45.17 | Hachiman | Imperios: What kind of elves could we put on the Western Continent to make them different to the elves of the East |
| 12:45.24 | Hachiman | Or humans or whatever |
| 12:45.39 | Imperios | Humans are alread there so... elves |
| 12:45.49 | Hachiman | Only one type of humans tho |
| 12:46.54 | OluapPlayer | Two if you count my cavemen |
| 12:47.20 | Hachiman | Ah, the trogs |
| 12:47.22 | OluapPlayer | Why do you call Imp to discuss the west but not me tho |
| 12:47.34 | Hachiman | Because I know you'll go "ngh elves / humans" |
| 12:47.43 | OluapPlayer | >implying |
| 12:47.58 | OluapPlayer | I have a bunch of elves and humans myself you clod |
| 12:48.17 | OluapPlayer | I don't care what populates the west, as long as it's populated by something |
| 12:48.25 | Hachiman | Yeah and I had a feeling you'd say "2many of dis" |
| 12:48.41 | Imperios | THat's not Deiwos ubt |
| 12:48.42 | Imperios | Raptor people |
| 12:48.50 | OluapPlayer | It wouldn't unless it's something redundant |
| 12:48.51 | Imperios | Primitive raptor people |
| 12:48.55 | OluapPlayer | And i've made raptor people |
| 12:48.57 | Hachiman | Oluap has those |
| 12:49.21 | Imperios | Oh wait yes |
| 12:50.15 | OluapPlayer | The Slumbering Lands has more races than all the other regions |
| 12:50.17 | OluapPlayer | shame on u all |
| 12:50.31 | Hachiman | One thing I think we should maybe stray away from in regards to elves in the West is having them be element-aligned |
| 12:51.11 | Imperios | Creatures of molten metal |
| 12:51.13 | Hachiman | Considering that most of the magical elements have a species of elf tied to them at this point |
| 12:51.20 | Hachiman | Imperios: Vulcanus Horde |
| 12:51.20 | OluapPlayer | More like in general |
| 12:51.23 | Imperios | Metal |
| 12:51.31 | Imperios | Not molten rock, metal |
| 12:51.38 | OluapPlayer | I've already expressed my regret for coming up with the Erylia and Hikamera |
| 12:51.40 | Imperios | Not necessarily molten even |
| 12:51.54 | OluapPlayer | So metallic golems |
| 12:51.56 | Imperios | Creatures of living quicksilver |
| 12:52.01 | Imperios | LIQUID metallic golems |
| 12:52.05 | Hachiman | LIQUIIIID |
| 12:52.12 | OluapPlayer | interrogation mark |
| 12:52.19 | Imperios | Blobs of shiny metally substance |
| 12:52.27 | Imperios | ACTUALLY |
| 12:52.31 | Imperios | Could be humanoid |
| 12:52.39 | Hachiman | Sure but how would you make those in Spore; where would they have come from; who would have created them |
| 12:52.40 | Imperios | Could actually take shape of whatever the ysaw |
| 12:52.54 | Imperios | Where, Silver Steppe |
| 12:52.57 | Imperios | s |
| 12:53.21 | Imperios | Basically creatures of liquid metal that have very little sense of self of their own, but eagerly imitate other things |
| 12:53.29 | Hachiman | So |
| 12:53.31 | Hachiman | Dittos |
| 12:53.33 | Imperios | Though would that be cliched |
| 12:53.36 | OluapPlayer | lel |
| 12:53.36 | Imperios | Dittos? |
| 12:53.42 | Hachiman | Ditto, from Pokemon |
| 12:53.46 | Imperios | Je ne parle pas pokemonais |
| 12:53.57 | OluapPlayer | Ditto is a Pokemon who looks like a blob, it can turn itself into any other Pokemon |
| 12:54.03 | Imperios | Well |
| 12:54.05 | Imperios | We have Rovegar |
| 12:54.07 | Imperios | Why not |
| 12:54.34 | Hachiman | Because Dittos also have the capacity to breed with practically anything and I don't like those implications hur |
| 12:54.35 | OluapPlayer | Rovegar are only Pokemon-like in appearance |
| 12:54.41 | OluapPlayer | But I get your point |
| 12:55.09 | OluapPlayer | If they're creatures made of liquid metal, you definitely couldn't breed with one |
| 12:55.29 | Imperios | Also, if they are based on quicksilver, they should be toxic |
| 12:55.37 | Hachiman | Liquid metal creatures would be kinda OP anyway if one has ever watched Terminator 2 |
| 12:55.41 | OluapPlayer | Quicksilver? |
| 12:55.47 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: I thought you took the behaviour of Gardevoir as a basis for their culture |
| 12:55.53 | Imperios | quicksilver as in the metal |
| 12:55.56 | Imperios | Also known as mercury |
| 12:55.59 | Hachiman | He took the behaviour of the asari as their basis |
| 12:56.01 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
| 12:56.16 | Imperios | Asari + Gardevoir |
| 12:56.23 | OluapPlayer | I was gonna say, unless they lived in a volcano or something, only metal liquid at room temperature is mercury |
| 12:56.34 | OluapPlayer | And no, Gardevoir are emotionless guardian angels |
| 12:56.39 | Imperios | Yeah they could be toxic |
| 12:56.42 | Hachiman | look at dis physics fag |
| 12:56.44 | Hachiman | or chemistry even |
| 12:56.45 | Imperios | It would actually be interesting |
| 12:57.15 | OluapPlayer | If they're made of mercury then they couldn't be toxic, they ARE toxic |
| 12:57.41 | Imperios | They want to be friends with people so that they could have things to imitate, but inevitably kill those they befriend due to their toxicity |
| 12:57.50 | OluapPlayer | tragic |
| 12:58.02 | OluapPlayer | Are they a natural race or were they created by someone? |
| 12:58.05 | Imperios | Not sure |
| 12:58.16 | Imperios | But now I have an origin story of some kind for them in mind |
| 12:58.32 | OluapPlayer | If they're the former then we got mercury elementals |
| 12:58.34 | Imperios | Now maybe they were found by some advanced civilisation, which they inadvertedly killed off and then copied |
| 12:58.35 | Imperios | 0. |
| 12:58.37 | OluapPlayer | Not something you see often |
| 12:58.38 | Imperios | s |
| 12:59.20 | Imperios | So now they are living lives that are not their own and copying the civilisation that they do not even fully understand, even though they desperately want to |
| 12:59.27 | Imperios | And want to bring it back |
| 13:01.07 | Imperios | Actually, what if we extend the themes of the Slumbering Lands and Talmyr on the whole continent |
| 13:01.15 | Imperios | A very ancient and primeval land |
| 13:01.26 | Hachiman | But it's about as old as the East |
| 13:01.47 | Imperios | In terms of civilisation and culture you dingus |
| 13:01.49 | Imperios | Or lack thereof |
| 13:02.05 | OluapPlayer | Talmyr doesn't really give an ancient vibe to me |
| 13:02.13 | OluapPlayer | It's unnecessary Xho evil |
| 13:02.15 | Hachiman | I did imagine the West being stranger and taking route in less conventional fantasy themes than the East |
| 13:02.16 | Imperios | It is the most ancient human starte |
| 13:02.44 | Imperios | Hachiman: So, like the New Weird? |
| 13:02.49 | Hachiman | Yeah I suppose |
| 13:02.56 | Hachiman | I wanna try working on the Apeksaka again and revise them; geomancer elves who live in the mountains gives a fair amount of basis to work with |
| 13:03.01 | Hachiman | Who also have a thing for spikes |
| 13:03.07 | OluapPlayer | ur welcome |
| 13:03.21 | Imperios | Also since we talked about expies |
| 13:03.26 | Imperios | Can I make faceless ones plz |
| 13:03.41 | OluapPlayer | Vargash - listen here u |
| 13:03.57 | Imperios | Could be a fun subversion if they are actually chill fellas |
| 13:04.08 | OluapPlayer | I mean go ahead, make whatever you want |
| 13:04.24 | Hachiman | That's a thing; should the West have its own sort of mini-pantheon? The East has both the Simulacra and the Colossi, the majority of the latter of which reside in the East |
| 13:04.38 | OluapPlayer | Hachiman: Don't forget you also have Zazane expies in the Silver Steppe |
| 13:04.40 | Hachiman | There's only two Colossi that live in the West iirc |
| 13:04.48 | Hachiman | I do but I don't quite feel like working on those yet |
| 13:04.51 | OluapPlayer | The Simulacra obviously influence the West too |
| 13:04.56 | Hachiman | I wanna give them a little bit of a revision too |
| 13:05.16 | OluapPlayer | Zran Kar's world shrine, which was supposed to appear in the current Eschaton plot, is located at the Silver Steppe |
| 13:05.25 | Hachiman | World shrine? |
| 13:05.39 | OluapPlayer | A big 'official' shrine dedicated to him |
| 13:05.42 | Hachiman | Ah right |
| 13:05.46 | OluapPlayer | Vargash has one at the Polar Lands |
| 13:06.09 | Hachiman | So are these things like objects that enhance the connection between the Simulacra realms and Koldenwelt or |
| 13:06.22 | OluapPlayer | They're giant shrines |
| 13:06.35 | OluapPlayer | Like Daedra Prince shrines in TES] |
| 13:06.36 | Hachiman | Right so other than that, they're mundane |
| 13:06.51 | Imperios | Hm |
| 13:06.55 | OluapPlayer | You could communicate directly with Zran Kar in his shrine |
| 13:07.01 | Hachiman | Right |
| 13:07.01 | OluapPlayer | Same with Vargash in his own |
| 13:07.17 | Hachiman | >goes to Vargash's shrine "could you fuck off pls" |
| 13:07.17 | Imperios | Maybe other than personified gods, there could be some (perhaps sentient) places of power and shrines and the like in the West? |
| 13:07.24 | OluapPlayer | Vargash's shrine is the capital f the Cult of the Eclipse |
| 13:07.31 | Imperios | Like a giant Uluru-style rock that is sentient and magical |
| 13:07.33 | Imperios | And is worshipped |
| 13:07.33 | OluapPlayer | of* |
| 13:07.38 | Hachiman | EYWA |
| 13:07.46 | Hachiman | TREE OF SOULS EYWA |
| 13:07.51 | OluapPlayer | wot |
| 13:07.56 | Imperios | Might as well have Eywa because why not |
| 13:08.05 | OluapPlayer | What's a eywa |
| 13:08.07 | Imperios | Avatar |
| 13:08.16 | Imperios | The tree hive mind that the blue people worship |
| 13:08.17 | Hachiman | I mean Eywa's already in practice considering that Isiris is connected to the entirety of the world and mortal souls anyway |
| 13:08.20 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
| 13:08.38 | OluapPlayer | Well, we already have localized World Trees |
| 13:08.44 | OluapPlayer | Like Laidar at Hyperion Island |
| 13:08.48 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 13:09.39 | OluapPlayer | Granted Laidar is less of a tree and more like a colossal treant |
| 13:10.05 | Imperios | And speaking of faceless ones |
| 13:10.10 | Imperios | We do not have enough bugs |
| 13:10.12 | Imperios | More bugs |
| 13:10.20 | OluapPlayer | make bugs then |
| 13:10.31 | Imperios | Insects, bees, other arthropods |
| 13:10.36 | Imperios | Spiders |
| 13:10.39 | Imperios | Or bees |
| 13:10.40 | OluapPlayer | There are bee people |
| 13:10.45 | Hachiman | I was thinking that instead of having them actually be spiky, the Apeksaka or whatever I wanna alter their name to could use pain-afflicting practices as part of their culture and a means to access raw magical power |
| 13:10.51 | OluapPlayer | In fact their creator just showed up yesterday wanting to come back to the fantasyverse |
| 13:11.24 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:216589 |
| 13:13.46 | Hachiman | Nice |
| 13:14.05 | Hachiman | Been a while since I remembered Kaernk existed |
| 13:14.12 | OluapPlayer | dats rude |
| 13:14.24 | OluapPlayer | I'd like to make something related to toucans |
| 13:14.43 | Hachiman | Toucan-riding jungle fae |
| 13:14.51 | OluapPlayer | My problem is, I can shit out minor races just fine, but making a major Merovar-sized fiction is really damn hard |
| 13:15.08 | OluapPlayer | >toucan-riding those would be some tiny-ass fairies |
| 13:15.21 | Hachiman | Fairies are generally tiny-ass u dunce |
| 13:15.30 | Hachiman | That or they're giant toucans |
| 13:15.38 | OluapPlayer | say dat to my umbral hulk c wat happens |
| 13:15.47 | Hachiman | It is terrifying |
| 13:16.07 | OluapPlayer | Now you know why you fear the night |
| 13:20.35 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: Speaking of the fantasyverse, I was thinking of making a general page for werethings like I did for vampires. I thought their origin could be left ambiguous but I thought one of the theories could be that Kalisearan created them |
| 13:20.59 | Imperios | Oaky, another race |
| 13:21.03 | Imperios | Weretigers |
| 13:21.28 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Created, morel ike fucked into existence |
| 13:21.29 | OluapPlayer | Read what I typed dangit |
| 13:21.51 | OluapPlayer | How she may have done isn't important hur |
| 13:22.06 | OluapPlayer | Also by weretigers, do you mean a race of humanoid tiger, or people who turn into tigers? |
| 13:23.14 | Imperios | People who turn into tigers |
| 13:23.20 | OluapPlayer | Right |
| 13:24.44 | OluapPlayer | Just need to note there should be a difference between werebeasts and voluntary polymorphing |
| 13:24.56 | OluapPlayer | I imagine werebeasts are cursed into what they are for one |
| 13:25.23 | Hachiman | Ennea can polymorph into a dove for example but that does not mean she is a weredove |
| 13:25.33 | Hachiman | Mainly because it's an actual dove and not a dove-elf hybrid |
| 13:27.25 | OluapPlayer | That's what I meant |
| 13:28.44 | OluapPlayer | I'm gonna start that page now |
| 13:30.04 | Technobliterator | Needs Xho for Borealis War |
| 13:30.04 | Technobliterator | :V |
| 13:30.40 | OluapPlayer | Needs Cyrannian, Wormy and Hachi for Dalek fiction |
| 13:30.47 | OluapPlayer | two can play dat game |
| 13:31.06 | Technobliterator | :c |
| 13:31.13 | Imperios | Ghelae: Do you have any idea why the British Museum is frequented by postgraduates? |
| 13:31.13 | Technobliterator | But Cyrannian is busy with IRL |
| 13:31.31 | OluapPlayer | He is, so I'm gonna have to take control of his character |
| 13:32.04 | Imperios | Shouldn't it be busy with RL? |
| 13:33.22 | OluapPlayer | I need a top quote for werebeasts |
| 13:34.20 | Imperios | "FUCKING FURRIES EVERYWHERE" |
| 13:34.56 | OluapPlayer | ur a cheeky one u rat fugger |
| 13:35.36 | OluapPlayer | I'm gonna have to go for the assumption the two moons become full at the same time |
| 13:35.46 | Imperios | Could be that way |
| 13:35.46 | OluapPlayer | Otherwise that might make werewolves and the like screwy |
| 13:36.00 | Imperios | one moon = average furry or normal animal |
| 13:36.10 | Imperios | Two moons = uber-furry aggressive monster |
| 13:36.23 | OluapPlayer | Hm, could go for that actually |
| 13:36.50 | Ghelae | Imperios: I've never even heard of the British Museum being notably frequented by postgrads. I would guess that a postgrad studying something that objects in the museum are relevant to would find it useful to visit the museum to look at them. |
| 13:40.11 | Imperios | "Forget the Theriocephali. Even in the noblest elf aristocrat or the most devout human knight have the same seed of wildness in their souls as the lowliest of beasts. It is just suppressed, concealed, kept hidden under the veil of culture and sophistication. But one can always break it. One just needs to make a little... push. A single bite, a kiss of the [[fiction:Kalisearan|Goddess]]... and the man is gone. The beast inside awakens, and woe betide al |
| 13:40.11 | Imperios | l who stand in its way." |
| 13:41.19 | OluapPlayer | who say dis |
| 13:42.12 | Ghelae | I think the second sentence there needs tweaking. Should it be "Even in the... there is the same seed", "Even the... or the... has the same seed", or "Even the... and the... have the same seed"? |
| 13:42.28 | Imperios | *there is the same seed |
| 13:42.29 | Imperios | yes |
| 13:43.12 | Imperios | - Zevulon Whitemountain, Alhassan priest and scholar |
| 13:43.28 | OluapPlayer | rite thanks |
| 13:46.01 | Hachiman | Imperios: What if my Western elves were like more benign Dark Eldar; as in, self-imposed pain and such stimulates them and grants them connection to the world so they can use magic or something |
| 13:46.20 | Imperios | Their sorcery is very singular |
| 13:46.23 | Imperios | I am afraid I won't understand |
| 13:46.27 | Hachiman | Piercing and carving runes into their skin and such |
| 13:46.39 | Imperios | Could be interesting |
| 13:46.45 | OluapPlayer | gross |
| 13:46.52 | Imperios | That could work with the "unique school of magic" idea we had |
| 13:46.58 | Imperios | BTW as for that suggestion |
| 13:47.08 | Hachiman | >not liking piercings |
| 13:47.12 | Hachiman | wat r u puritan |
| 13:47.17 | OluapPlayer | ye |
| 13:47.23 | OluapPlayer | u fukin degenerate |
| 13:49.20 | Hachiman | I could extend them outward from geomancy and leave it as one of the schools they're able to learn |
| 13:49.28 | Hachiman | So as to make their sorcery a bit more diverse |
| 13:52.09 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Therianthropy just need to write characteristics |
| 13:52.54 | Hachiman | I imagine that older therianthropes are able to access their therian forms at any time but are enhanced by the presence of the full moon(s) |
| 13:53.16 | Hachiman | As in, their powers and strength are enhanced |
| 13:53.38 | OluapPlayer | I'll note the ability of gaining control of the beast form |
| 13:53.47 | OluapPlayer | But that's for pro people only |
| 13:53.51 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 13:53.55 | Hachiman | And also note that werebeasts are subject to vampirism |
| 13:55.22 | OluapPlayer | I don't know how relevant it might be. I don't want vampirism to appear more important than therianthropy |
| 13:56.47 | Hachiman | Well, say that werebeasts are subject to vampirism "and vice versa for non-purebloods" |
| 13:57.09 | Hachiman | So half-blood vampires can gain therianthropy |
| 13:57.42 | Hachiman | And that the two conditions are not mutually exclusive |
| 14:00.06 | Hachiman | In mythology, werewolves are very good at regeneration of their appendages and vital organs so the heart is an immediate weakness and silver and cold iron / steel are good for stopping that regeneration |
| 14:00.52 | OluapPlayer | u think i dont kno dat |
| 14:00.58 | Hachiman | yeh |
| 14:01.06 | OluapPlayer | I imagine you could kill a werewolf via decapitation though |
| 14:01.10 | Hachiman | Probably |
| 14:01.30 | OluapPlayer | They're tougher than a vampire but are otherwise more killable |
| 14:01.33 | Hachiman | That or their regeneration is so good that you end up with two werewolves |
| 14:01.41 | OluapPlayer | No that's silly hur |
| 14:02.12 | Hachiman | I also wonder if someone can be permanently stuck in werebeast form |
| 14:03.25 | Tek0516 | http://i.imgur.com/TeFSy3F.png SpaceX 2002 |
| 14:03.39 | OluapPlayer | Vampires can become lost to their bloodlust and turn monstrous, so werebeasts could go through a similar event |
| 14:03.50 | Hachiman | The man with the maracas is leading humanity to Mars |
| 14:04.12 | OluapPlayer | The man in with the maracas is the best thing that's happened this year |
| 14:04.20 | OluapPlayer | -in |
| 14:05.54 | Hachiman | What happens if two werewolves breed? |
| 14:06.02 | Hachiman | Or two werebeasts rather |
| 14:06.37 | OluapPlayer | Hm |
| 14:06.38 | OluapPlayer | No idea |
| 14:06.47 | OluapPlayer | I assume they give birth to a werebeast baby |
| 14:07.39 | Hachiman | So perhaps it's 50 / 50 when a werebeast breeds with a non-werebeast but 100% when with another werebeast |
| 14:08.02 | OluapPlayer | Yeah |
| 14:08.10 | Hachiman | Or maybe non-werebeast children have some form of therianthropy that's just dormant with them and could arise in the next generation down |
| 14:08.25 | Hachiman | So they either manifest or don't but they still have it |
| 14:08.43 | OluapPlayer | I don't see why it wouldn't |
| 14:13.29 | Hachiman | What do you have for means of infection? |
| 14:14.42 | OluapPlayer | Werebeast blood entering your body |
| 14:15.11 | Hachiman | What about saliva? |
| 14:15.15 | OluapPlayer | You could get bitten by one, or you could intentionally drink the blood of one |
| 14:15.18 | OluapPlayer | Saliva too |
| 14:15.20 | Hachiman | Right |
| 14:16.43 | Hachiman | Imperios: http://giant.gfycat.com/EverlastingLinearAtlanticsharpnosepuffer.gif I'm honestly surprised you never made a Vila equivalent of Juggernaut |
| 14:17.16 | Imperios | Jugg isn't my hero |
| 14:17.19 | Imperios | Enchantress 4 life |
| 14:18.42 | OluapPlayer | go sproink urself |
| 14:20.59 | Imperios | Ghelae: How much is 23. five and sixpence ? |
| 14:21.20 | Hachiman | £23.56? |
| 14:22.31 | Ghelae | I don't know what you're trying to ask. If you're talking about old currencies (as implied by "sixpence" rather than "six pence"), then I don't know the conversions. |
| 14:26.52 | Imperios | Five and sixpence |
| 14:27.09 | Hachiman | We don't get what you're asking |
| 14:27.34 | Imperios | As in, how much would it be in modern UK money and in the money at the time they were used |
| 14:27.44 | Imperios | Five pounds and six pence? Or fifty six pence? |
| 14:29.14 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Therianthropy page is done |
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| 14:32.00 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 14:32.15 | NeonPanda | I may have sparked a rebellion in a Star Wars RP server |
| 14:32.30 | NeonPanda | a jokey one that was in no way serious, but was surprisingly effective |
| 14:33.49 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: Nice stuff, glad we finally got that out of the way |
| 14:34.01 | Hachiman | Pretty clear page as well |
| 14:34.11 | Hachiman | NeonPanda: How and why? |
| 14:36.16 | NeonPanda | middle of the night, nobody cared, just off the back of a fuck around event, and my regiment made up 1/4 of the server |
| 14:36.41 | NeonPanda | so I immediately declared a hostile takeover of the ship in the name of the MCDR and everyone just went with it |
| 14:49.58 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 14:57.33 | OluapPlayer | https://embed.gyazo.com/d0a2862f17e9be09243afe0e3857c3e6.png meanwhile in australia |
| 14:58.02 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 14:58.19 | Tek0516 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1475070428-20160928.png |
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| 15:04.57 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 15:05.02 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 15:07.53 | Wormy_ | Australian spider really has it in for this man http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37481251 |
| 15:12.17 | OluapPlayer | I had just posted that |
| 15:14.54 | OluapPlayer | Ghelae Wormy_: Are you two free to do Dalek stuff? We really, really ought to get that moving |
| 15:15.44 | Ghelae | I should be free for the rest of the hour. |
| 15:15.54 | Technobliterator | do you mind taking over Tuolog for it, Oluap? |
| 15:15.59 | Technobliterator | I have to go to the gym now |
| 15:16.03 | Wormy_ | Just eating lunch, then I'll be free |
| 15:16.04 | OluapPlayer | Tuolog isn't in yet |
| 15:16.10 | Technobliterator | ah |
| 15:16.22 | OluapPlayer | Link the pad pls |
| 15:17.42 | Ghelae | Does anyone else need the link to the pad? |
| 15:18.02 | OluapPlayer | Wormy and Hachi do |
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| 15:22.25 | Tek0516 | Hello Charles_Murray |
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| 15:23.04 | Charles_Murray | Hey |
| 15:23.16 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 15:24.01 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 15:34.09 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: Did you watch Vsauce? The ending scared me |
| 15:34.16 | Hachiman | Not yet |
| 15:34.21 | Hachiman | Is it a jumpscare? |
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| 16:15.36 | Tek0516 | O.o According to Steam I've been playing a specific game since yesterday afternoon. Something for which there's not a single process for on my computer. |
| 16:16.15 | Tek0516 | ...and closing Eclipse fixed it apparently? XD |
| 16:31.26 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: No, just a scary factual prose |
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| 16:35.52 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: Saw it earlier. Interesting video, |
| 16:36.59 | Wormy_ | The wait four Vsauce videos is very long these days |
| 16:38.14 | Hachiman | Wormy_: Oh God Warhol's submission |
| 16:38.18 | Hachiman | That's fucking great |
| 16:38.41 | Hachiman | And yeah, Vsauce is slower these days |
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| 16:39.56 | Wormy_ | It was fun, the two might be warriors but follow very different ideologies that may agree on some things and clash in others |
| 16:40.34 | Xho | Wow internet |
| 16:40.35 | Xho | slower than |
| 16:40.36 | Xho | slow |
| 16:42.35 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: Slow definitely, but at least you're getting 20 minutes of interesting content. |
| 16:42.51 | Wormy_ | definately |
| 16:46.14 | OluapPlayer | Xho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Therianthropy a |
| 16:48.47 | Xho | 2slo 2 load |
| 16:48.47 | Ghelae | OluapPlayer Hachiman Wormy_: I'm back on the pad. |
| 16:48.57 | Xho | There we go |
| 16:49.50 | Xho | Not sure if Maguruk counts as a werebeast if he can transform at will |
| 16:50.21 | OluapPlayer | You called him a werewolf yourself |
| 16:50.34 | Xho | Fair point |
| 16:50.37 | OluapPlayer | In fact he's the only named character to be specifically called a werewolf |
| 16:50.41 | OluapPlayer | hence why he's listed |
| 16:50.49 | Hachiman | >"Hey, that's pretty good" |
| 16:50.54 | Hachiman | Vsauce referencing Idubbbz now |
| 16:51.04 | Xho | fug |
| 16:51.24 | OluapPlayer | I did list that werepeople can achieve control over their animal halves |
| 16:51.33 | OluapPlayer | The Néva kings seemed strong enough to achieve that |
| 16:51.53 | Xho | Needs to list the other two then rite |
| 16:52.07 | OluapPlayer | If you can confirm they're werebeasts, yes |
| 16:52.21 | Xho | Well transforming into a bear would make Nanuk a werebear |
| 16:53.04 | OluapPlayer | Confirm they're werebeasts and not people who can turn into animals like how the Sea Witch can turn herself into an albatross |
| 16:53.13 | OluapPlayer | cause there's a difference there |
| 16:53.19 | Hachiman | And Ennea can turn herself into a dove |
| 16:53.40 | Xho | In that case only Maguruk |
| 16:53.49 | OluapPlayer | rite |
| 16:53.54 | Hachiman | I wouldn't call Nanuk a werebear given that his bear form is an actual bear rather than a bear-deiwos hybrid |
| 16:54.10 | OluapPlayer | *was kek |
| 16:54.11 | Xho | Wolf-Howls have werewolf lineages whilst the others acquire that power through drinking blood |
| 16:54.31 | Xho | blood magic is gud ja |
| 16:54.52 | OluapPlayer | So we've had the fantasyverse for 5 years and we only had one named werewolf |
| 16:54.54 | OluapPlayer | Kinda surprising |
| 16:54.59 | Xho | And he's dead as well |
| 16:55.02 | Xho | top no |
| 16:55.08 | OluapPlayer | One werewolf, a bazillion vampire |
| 16:55.09 | OluapPlayer | s |
| 16:55.18 | Xho | Maguruk - come at me fgs |
| 16:55.28 | Xho | Well werewolves have different cultures from what I gather |
| 16:55.29 | OluapPlayer | Hamoins - dunt challenj me |
| 16:55.58 | OluapPlayer | There's no "pureblood werebeast" like vampires have so werebeasts in general aren't unified |
| 16:56.09 | Xho | Maguruk - all fgs |
| 16:56.22 | Hachiman | I imagine there are communities of werebeasts though |
| 16:56.27 | Hachiman | Maybe |
| 16:56.32 | Xho | Maguruk - wolf-howls r not fgs |
| 16:57.02 | Xho | I could imagine a Névari werewolf progenitor on the basis that their culture is highly isolated but that would have been probably prehistoric |
| 16:57.21 | OluapPlayer | Sure you could have some werethings living together because society shunned them away |
| 16:57.26 | Xho | Orichalcum Elf werebeasts nah m8 |
| 16:57.39 | OluapPlayer | meh to u |
| 16:58.10 | Xho | Depends on whether the Orichalcum Elf immunity to disease extends onto therianthropy |
| 16:58.17 | Xho | I doubt it |
| 16:58.26 | OluapPlayer | It's a magical curse so it's not your typical flu |
| 16:58.35 | Xho | Orichalcum Elves - fukn |
| 16:58.58 | Xho | I could imagine the Order of Sol kept a rather good sense of order about therianthropy over their territories |
| 16:59.06 | Xho | When I say order I mean burn everything to ash and dust |
| 16:59.18 | OluapPlayer | That's what most people do |
| 16:59.26 | Xho | Longinus - good idea |
| 16:59.36 | Hachiman | Weresunfish |
| 16:59.43 | OluapPlayer | Is possible |
| 16:59.48 | OluapPlayer | Would look ridiculous but is possible |
| 16:59.49 | Xho | I could imagine an Orichalcum Elf Werelion |
| 17:00.16 | Xho | It would be ridiculously op but still |
| 17:00.28 | OluapPlayer | It'd get fucked by silver swords |
| 17:00.28 | Hachiman | Just imagine weremole-rat |
| 17:00.35 | OluapPlayer | Hachiman: AAAAAAAAAAA |
| 17:01.02 | Xho | That presents a question actually |
| 17:01.07 | OluapPlayer | A weremole-rat would not only look fucking nauseating, it'd be totally immune to pain |
| 17:01.08 | Xho | sun magic + magical curse = ??? |
| 17:01.35 | OluapPlayer | There's nothing stating light/sun beings are immune to curses |
| 17:01.43 | Xho | Fair |
| 17:01.55 | Xho | Néva are storm magic based and Maguruk is a werewolf |
| 17:02.12 | Hachiman | If anything, a werecreature converted from a light mage would be dangerous |
| 17:02.28 | Hachiman | Because that'd mean they'd have a resistance to light magic I imagine |
| 17:02.38 | Xho | Longinus the Werelion because your god is pathetic |
| 17:02.53 | OluapPlayer | Zran kar - more like wereflea *stomp* |
| 17:03.03 | Hachiman | inb4 acts like an actual lion and just sits around uselessly all day |
| 17:03.08 | Technobliterator | hi xho |
| 17:03.11 | Technobliterator | borealis war plz |
| 17:03.14 | Xho | Septimus - not much change from normal longinus rly |
| 17:03.25 | Xho | Technobliterator: y tho |
| 17:03.30 | Technobliterator | cuz |
| 17:04.50 | OluapPlayer | Titanpad is fucking up again |
| 17:04.53 | Xho | c |
| 17:05.08 | Hachiman | Hope nobody is on their period because Titanpad's acting more like fucking CUNTPAD |
| 17:05.24 | OluapPlayer | xcuse u |
| 17:05.34 | Xho | Now a Shiarchon therianthrope |
| 17:05.38 | Xho | That would be scary |
| 17:05.43 | Xho | Then again it would be a Weredeathclaw |
| 17:06.02 | OluapPlayer | Shiarchon don't use the Source so they probably can't be werebeasts |
| 17:06.14 | Hachiman | Shiarchon also don't have blood or something |
| 17:06.18 | Xho | Unless there's void therianthropy, which there isn't |
| 17:06.54 | OluapPlayer | Become werebeast -> werechinchilla |
| 17:07.28 | Xho | Judging by the fact that Shiarchon have advantages over Orichalcum Elves I doubt a therianthrope Shiarchon would even be deemed necessary unless they wanted to kill people faster |
| 17:08.10 | OluapPlayer | Also kinda important, most werecreatures aren't supposed to be in control of their actions |
| 17:08.19 | Xho | Shiarchon - that's the point kek |
| 17:08.28 | OluapPlayer | So it'd just kill other Shiarchon |
| 17:08.34 | Xho | I guess |
| 17:08.46 | OluapPlayer | u dingus dangus |
| 17:09.35 | Xho | Orichalcum Elf therianthropy is a little unnecessary though on the basis they were Orichalcum Elves |
| 17:09.42 | Xho | ain't nobody got time for gold things |
| 17:10.26 | Xho | Skaurovirn werebeasts, okay now that's advanced ugly |
| 17:11.25 | Hachiman | Imagine a wereroach |
| 17:11.25 | Xho | Skaurovirn werebear = Yao Guai |
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| 17:12.02 | OluapPlayer | gross |
| 17:12.04 | OluapPlayer | Hi dino |
| 17:13.30 | dino82_ | hi |
| 17:14.11 | OluapPlayer | https://67.media.tumblr.com/ab9631e10e1213b5c37eb7ff5e63ec2c/tumblr_oc9yzvxIy91s0xem7o1_540.jpg |
| 17:15.00 | Hachiman | olol |
| 17:15.02 | Xho | FUKN |
| 17:15.31 | Xho | Is that a whole image or |
| 17:15.43 | Xho | There we go |
| 17:15.58 | Xho | Man my internet really is bad |
| 17:17.06 | OluapPlayer | https://twitter.com/fuukanko/status/779312034135412736 BIRB |
| 17:17.17 | dino82_ | anything going on? |
| 17:17.53 | OluapPlayer | Not really |
| 17:19.54 | Xho | Hm |
| 17:20.03 | Xho | Technobliterator: Well link me Titanpad then |
| 17:20.06 | Xho | dunce |
| 17:24.25 | Xho | OluapPlayer: titanpad pls |
| 17:24.35 | OluapPlayer | aaaa |
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| 17:26.27 | OluapPlayer | Any of you know a good free file-sharing site? Preferably one that doesn't ask me to log in |
| 17:27.20 | Monet | Not the latter. Unless you have a Google account. |
| 17:27.46 | OluapPlayer | I do |
| 17:28.21 | Monet | Then I find dropbox or google drive incredibly useful |
| 17:29.14 | Wormy_ | You can make folders public or visible to groups |
| 17:29.24 | Wormy_ | I used to use Google Drive to host websites |
| 17:29.29 | Wormy_ | Canb't do that now though |
| 17:30.43 | OluapPlayer | Dropbox is asking to install something but it's failing to do so |
| 17:31.16 | Xho | Mediafire's alright |
| 17:31.37 | Monet | I think I have used dropbox without the client. |
| 17:32.10 | OluapPlayer | OH |
| 17:32.17 | OluapPlayer | I made a Mediafire account like years ago |
| 17:35.28 | Xho | Oh of course |
| 17:35.32 | Xho | Titanpad has to kick me out |
| 17:36.00 | OluapPlayer | Now it's my internet being a shit |
| 17:36.52 | Wormy_ | Having trouble with Titanpad |
| 17:45.26 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: git back in the pad |
| 17:47.32 | Technobliterator | not sure what I need to do |
| 17:47.32 | Technobliterator | :o |
| 17:48.56 | OluapPlayer | Just watch |
| 17:48.56 | OluapPlayer | And comment on whatever needs commenting |
| 17:57.15 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: We're back now, encase you didn't know |
| 18:19.01 | dino82_ | :D |
| 18:30.28 | dino82_ | it the pad working? I still have issues on it |
| 18:31.08 | OluapPlayer | It's working now |
| 18:32.02 | dino82_ | ok |
| 18:47.04 | ImpyDroid | Ñов |
| 18:47.47 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Do we have any creatures of the metal family on Koldenwelt? |
| 18:47.56 | OluapPlayer | Nope |
| 18:48.03 | ImpyDroid | Like we have Steel Drakes but I am not sure if they count |
| 18:48.42 | ImpyDroid | Hm |
| 18:48.49 | OluapPlayer | If you mean my Steelrust Dragons, they're normal dragons with scales made of steel |
| 18:49.00 | OluapPlayer | They're not made of actual steel |
| 18:49.33 | ImpyDroid | Neither are Sand Drakes made of sand for that matter |
| 18:49.38 | Hachiman | I AM MADE OF METAL |
| 18:50.09 | OluapPlayer | Well, they can turn themselves into sand |
| 18:50.15 | ImpyDroid | I remember mentioning that there is a theory that Pheonas is the Metal Colossus |
| 18:50.39 | OluapPlayer | Metal isn't a magic school so there wouldn't be Metal Drakes |
| 18:50.56 | ImpyDroid | So maybe as an extension of that theory some believe Steel Drakes and these mercury people I mentioned earlier to be Pheonas's dragons and elementals respectively |
| 18:50.59 | ImpyDroid | There isn't? |
| 18:51.01 | OluapPlayer | Casting magic from metal probably falls under earth magic |
| 18:51.37 | ImpyDroid | Hm, do elementals have to be linked to specific magic schools? |
| 18:51.38 | Tek0516 | It seems the Vegans have gone on a campaign around campus, i keep seeing stickers and chalk writings all over campus. |
| 18:51.53 | OluapPlayer | Not necessarily |
| 18:51.57 | OluapPlayer | You can have metal elementals |
| 18:52.18 | OluapPlayer | The page separates them between "Fundamentals and Quasi-Elementals" |
| 18:52.25 | OluapPlayer | Fundamentals = magic schools. Quasi = everything else |
| 18:53.23 | OluapPlayer | You could have Metal Drakes as Greater Kelodhres |
| 18:53.35 | OluapPlayer | Or as a subspecies of Earth Drake |
| 18:53.55 | ImpyDroid | Nah I won't, I was just wondering if there could be a connection between Steelrust Drakes and mercury elementals |
| 18:54.06 | OluapPlayer | Ah, in that case no |
| 18:54.10 | OluapPlayer | They're fleshy on the inside |
| 18:54.40 | Ghelae | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Genesis_of_Nightmares#The_Three_Warriors |
| 18:54.52 | OluapPlayer | We actually did a section for that |
| 18:55.04 | OluapPlayer | Unbelievable |
| 18:55.11 | Wormy_ | check it out, great character interactions |
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| 18:58.57 | Technobliterator | :oo |
| 18:59.06 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNFx28NGLfI |
| 19:00.28 | Xho | but i alredi seen dis |
| 19:00.40 | Xho | classic tho |
| 19:01.17 | OluapPlayer | WAT AR YE SPOOKIN |
| 19:07.26 | Xho | PRISONER OF THE TIN CANCS |
| 19:07.28 | Xho | CANS EVEN |
| 19:09.21 | Wormy_ | Isn't there a Sesame street character that lives in a bin? |
| 19:10.31 | Tek0516 | Oscar I think it was? |
| 19:10.37 | OluapPlayer | There is, don't know his name though |
| 19:10.48 | Wormy_ | That's him |
| 19:11.58 | Xho | Oscar the Dalek |
| 19:12.03 | Xho | well done 10/10 |
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| 19:15.15 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
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| 19:17.09 | Wormy_ | The connection had to be made |
| 19:20.17 | Xho | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC4aL7zsp0U Never seen this before |
| 19:24.41 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 19:30.20 | Wormy_ | Jebus http://imgur.com/gallery/a0MDR |
| 19:31.47 | DrodoEmpire | Christ almighty... |
| 19:32.38 | Wormy_ | Also, space nuke http://imgur.com/gallery/15Iww |
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| 19:34.19 | Quark_Bot | Hello. |
| 19:36.47 | Monet | Hello |
| 19:36.50 | Monet | http://spacer176.deviantart.com/art/Realm-of-Giants-Tyraz-s-capture-637021370 updat |
| 19:37.49 | Hachiman | Ooh looking good |
| 19:38.00 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow |
| 19:38.01 | Hachiman | I like the perspective you've decided to draw from |
| 19:38.07 | DrodoEmpire | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.41 | Monet | I'm enjoying the perspective as well. |
| 19:38.58 | Hachiman | Also I dunno why but I find it mildly hilarious that Vetarion has his chest on show and Kragh's arms are about as big, if not bigger |
| 19:40.04 | Hachiman | Also their attire is rather cool |
| 19:40.09 | Monet | I think Vet's come out quite apply effeminate. |
| 19:40.17 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 19:41.09 | Monet | While I didn't think it would be my sort of thing, I..think that qualifies as bishonen. Or at least Legolas-level pretty. |
| 19:41.37 | DrodoEmpire | I do like the outfits |
| 19:42.52 | Monet | I wonder about giving Kragh some smaller skulls. |
| 19:43.18 | Xho | No Man's Sky getting investigated top kek |
| 19:43.23 | Monet | A guy his size means those skulls must have come from some very impressive victims. |
| 19:43.26 | Xho | Also cool pic |
| 19:44.12 | Monet | I estimate Kragh could wear human jawbones like jewelery. |
| 19:44.54 | Hachiman | Xho: NMS has less than a thousand players in its current playerbase currently literally no man's sky |
| 19:44.59 | Xho | wow |
| 19:45.37 | Xho | Recent Reviews: Overwhelmingly Negative |
| 19:45.38 | Xho | holy shit |
| 19:45.52 | Xho | I didn't even know Overwhelmingly Negative even existed |
| 19:46.13 | Hachiman | Really I'd say Vetarion would maybe fit in JoJo's regarding his attire and what's on show |
| 19:46.39 | DrodoEmpire | Daft Punk might be going on tour in 2017 apparently |
| 19:46.42 | Xho | >Vetarian |
| 19:46.43 | Hachiman | Oh cool |
| 19:46.44 | Xho | Vetarion |
| 19:47.07 | Xho | I almost thought that was Yarda kek |
| 19:47.24 | Hachiman | I mean for one Yarda has tits |
| 19:47.32 | Xho | >tits |
| 19:47.34 | Tek0516 | O.O 11% of reviews in the past 30 days are positive. |
| 19:47.36 | Xho | wut |
| 19:47.57 | Tek0516 | 11% of over 13,000 reviews |
| 19:48.09 | Monet | That's probably the only thing that stops Vetarion for being mistaken as a woman but if you squin his pecs kind of look like small boobs. |
| 19:48.21 | Hachiman | kek |
| 19:48.30 | Hachiman | tfw Vetarion is bara |
| 19:48.35 | Technobliterator | Daft Punk are going on tour in 2017????? |
| 19:48.38 | Technobliterator | holy fuck, I need to see that |
| 19:48.47 | Monet | Didn't Koluap once confuse the gender of a Draconizane? |
| 19:48.50 | DrodoEmpire | There're rumours, anyway |
| 19:48.56 | Tek0516 | O.o Steam even added a notice to the NMS store page clarifying its refund policy. |
| 19:48.58 | Technobliterator | oh man |
| 19:49.02 | Technobliterator | I really badly want to go if so |
| 19:49.08 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:49.17 | Xho | I wanna see Meshuggah but no one I know wants to go |
| 19:49.18 | Xho | life is hard |
| 19:49.23 | Hachiman | I want to go |
| 19:49.32 | Monet | Xho: Draconizane are half-Zazane so yeah they have tits. |
| 19:50.12 | Technobliterator | they also did a song with The Weeknd |
| 19:50.13 | Technobliterator | niiice |
| 19:50.32 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 19:51.38 | Xho | Well I wanted to go to the one in Bristol considering that's the closest venue |
| 19:51.59 | Xho | I don't think Meshuggah have ever played in Southampton, then again I don't think there's a venue large enough |
| 19:52.29 | Xho | Southampton Guildhall possibly |
| 19:52.45 | Xho | 1,749 capacity, eh maybe |
| 19:53.39 | Xho | I think their gigs in India were huge |
| 19:53.54 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.54 | Technobliterator | oh, it's actually a really good song |
| 19:54.25 | Tek0516 | Xho: And piling on the NMS hate, that's more capacity than people currently playing NMS. :P |
| 19:55.36 | Hachiman | Literally under 1,000 |
| 19:56.39 | Xho | wow |
| 19:56.54 | Tek0516 | Says 1,600 on Steam for me |
| 19:57.50 | Hachiman | Literally under 2,000 |
| 19:58.13 | Tek0516 | I'm not on the NMS hate train, but I saw the opening and couldn't resist. :P |
| 19:58.28 | Hachiman | I am |
| 19:58.55 | Hachiman | People who try to justify NMS outright lying to people is fucking hilarious due to how wrong it is |
| 19:59.12 | Hachiman | :) |
| 20:00.02 | Tek0516 | I'm not defending them, I'm just not on its hate train |
| 20:00.38 | Technobliterator | I'm not on its hate train |
| 20:00.48 | Technobliterator | But it left out a ridiculous amount of stuff |
| 20:00.52 | DrodoEmpire | To be honest me neither- I think their advertising was horrendous and they overstretched |
| 20:01.21 | Technobliterator | Generally, when a hate train circlejerk forms for anything, I lose interest in hating on it just to join the popular crowd |
| 20:01.41 | DrodoEmpire | But they *did* say NMS was supposed to be a "constant work in progress", which is a model I dislike, to be perfectly fair, but still |
| 20:01.52 | DrodoEmpire | That all being said, i believe updates have been slow-to-come |
| 20:02.01 | DrodoEmpire | Suspiciously slow to come |
| 20:02.21 | Technobliterator | I don't care for the game one way or another, I'm honestly surprised no one saw this coming |
| 20:02.26 | DrodoEmpire | So before anybody calls me an NMS apologist cuck I'm just saying |
| 20:02.31 | Tek0516 | If anything I'm more interested in the backlash itself than what the backlash was actually about. :P |
| 20:02.47 | OluapPlayer | Take teh NMS discussion to offtopic please |
| 20:02.48 | Technobliterator | if anyone says the word "cuck", they lose all their legitimacy to me |
| 20:02.59 | DrodoEmpire | alright Oluap |
| 20:03.15 | OluapPlayer | thanks yous |
| 20:03.17 | Technobliterator | I literally switch off and am completely uninterested in everything else they say after that |
| 20:04.13 | Xho | What does cuck even mean |
| 20:04.20 | Xho | I'm not up to scratch with your vernacular |
| 20:04.25 | Technobliterator | not many people know |
| 20:04.33 | Technobliterator | 4chan users it because 4chan |
| 20:04.36 | DrodoEmpire | Its short for "cuckold" |
| 20:04.38 | Technobliterator | trump supporters use it for liberals |
| 20:04.44 | Technobliterator | because 4chan also |
| 20:04.55 | Xho | What does cuckold mean |
| 20:04.57 | Xho | i just |
| 20:04.57 | Monet | I was going to say I thought it was another way of saying 'cock' |
| 20:04.58 | Xho | words |
| 20:05.01 | Xho | english what is this |
| 20:05.10 | Technobliterator | no one really knows |
| 20:05.13 | OluapPlayer | The word itself means "man who was cheated on his wife" |
| 20:05.14 | Technobliterator | it's a 4chan circlejerk |
| 20:05.15 | Monet | Xho: Original definition it means you're a man with an unfaithful wife |
| 20:05.20 | Technobliterator | yeah that |
| 20:05.20 | OluapPlayer | by his wife even |
| 20:05.28 | DrodoEmpire | "The husband to an unfaithful wife" is the clean version |
| 20:05.47 | Hachiman | But |
| 20:05.49 | Hachiman | That's not it |
| 20:05.50 | DrodoEmpire | And in modern terms it can mean either anything the alt right says it does, or really far-left people, or generally speaking uninspiring moral cowards |
| 20:06.06 | Hachiman | It's a man who enjoys watching his wife having sex with another man |
| 20:06.10 | Technobliterator | no, it's just used for anyone that disagrees with them |
| 20:06.17 | DrodoEmpire | Like I said |
| 20:06.21 | OluapPlayer | Today it means "i don't agree with you and don't like for you for it" |
| 20:06.25 | DrodoEmpire | "Anything the alt right says it does" |
| 20:06.28 | Technobliterator | I dunno, it's a meaningless buzzword they throw around, much like "SJW" |
| 20:06.29 | DrodoEmpire | Its a silly label |
| 20:06.35 | Technobliterator | it had a meaning at one pont |
| 20:06.38 | Technobliterator | but it no longer does |
| 20:06.45 | Hachiman | Oh right sorry I misread |
| 20:06.47 | Monet | I jsut took it as an alternative generic insult like 'c**t', 'dick' or 'cock' |
| 20:06.49 | Hachiman | Yeah Drodo nailed it |
| 20:06.50 | DrodoEmpire | Same with how the regressive left says everyone's a "sexist" when the demonstrably aren;t |
| 20:06.54 | Hachiman | >censoring cunt |
| 20:06.58 | Hachiman | Christfag spotted |
| 20:07.12 | Monet | Hachiman: Raised anglican guilty as charged. |
| 20:07.20 | Technobliterator | yeah, with the exception that "sexist" still has meaning when applied correctly |
| 20:07.28 | DrodoEmpire | Or use "right-wing" as if its an insult and not an alternate political spectrum |
| 20:07.38 | DrodoEmpire | Well, every term here as meaning when applied correctky |
| 20:07.39 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: That's an SJW thing to say |
| 20:07.48 | Technobliterator | uh |
| 20:07.51 | DrodoEmpire | But all of them have been overused and have become meaningless |
| 20:07.55 | Technobliterator | you're joking, right? |
| 20:08.01 | DrodoEmpire | Me or Hachi |
| 20:08.06 | Hachiman | She means me |
| 20:08.07 | Hachiman | And yes |
| 20:08.07 | DrodoEmpire | And Oluap asked us to take this to offtopic |
| 20:08.08 | Hachiman | u dingus |
| 20:08.11 | Technobliterator | Well, one of you pinged me, so |
| 20:08.11 | Technobliterator | :o |
| 20:08.19 | Technobliterator | no, he asked us to take NMS offtopic |
| 20:08.21 | Technobliterator | this is not NMS |
| 20:08.27 | DrodoEmpire | Alright fine |
| 20:08.29 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 20:08.48 | Technobliterator | sorry, Hachi, I sometimes genuinely cannot tell :| normally when I'm tired |
| 20:08.52 | Technobliterator | and have a headache |
| 20:08.53 | Technobliterator | like right now |
| 20:09.02 | Xho | Who needs a headache when you have MESHUGGAH |
| 20:09.12 | Wormy_ | Blanket octopus http://i.imgur.com/sCrjWV7.jpg |
| 20:09.29 | DrodoEmpire | Bah I always get in to discussions when I need to leave |
| 20:09.51 | DrodoEmpire | I gotta go soon, and I'll be back either in... three or so hours, or not until midnight :p |
| 20:10.26 | DrodoEmpire | Depends on how the TCPs feel about going out tomorrow (working in traffic control) |
| 20:14.38 | Wormy_ | Get soaped up http://imgur.com/gallery/kfMI3 |
| 20:14.54 | Xho | In the meantime I might do something Fantasyverse related I have in store |
| 20:15.19 | Hachiman | Which is? |
| 20:15.35 | Xho | u cannot c dis |
| 20:15.42 | Xho | Post-Eschaton really |
| 20:17.51 | OluapPlayer | sneeki breeki |
| 20:20.32 | Xho | sniki biki |
| 20:23.24 | Technobliterator | my legs ache so badly |
| 20:23.26 | Technobliterator | this is awful |
| 20:25.04 | OluapPlayer | u gon dai lel |
| 20:30.40 | Monet | Running and exercise? |
| 20:30.56 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 20:30.57 | Technobliterator | lots of that |
| 20:31.02 | Technobliterator | more than usual |
| 20:31.04 | Technobliterator | now they ache |
| 20:33.35 | Monet | Massage them |
| 20:35.07 | Monet | Soothe those aching muscles. |
| 21:09.34 | OluapPlayer | aa |
| 21:09.36 | OluapPlayer | ded irc |
| 21:10.31 | Monet | Chips |
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| 21:50.57 | Tek0516 | I just saw a curious US political ad. It basically just said don't vote for this person because they're a "typical liberal politician". O.o Nothing apparently radical, just the fact they're liberal. |
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| 21:55.45 | Tek0516 | Who would've thought the personal from presumably the more liberal party would support liberal policies. Ah, 'Murica. Your politics never ceases to amuse me. |
| 22:00.19 | Monet | 'Tis a peculiar land indeed. |
| 22:15.39 | Wormy_ | Watched a restoration of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epic_of_Everest It was bloody brilliant |
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| 22:31.59 | Monet | Evening |
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| 22:41.31 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 22:53.59 | Wormy_ | Didn't know the lead singer of Black Sabbath severed his finger tips in a metalworks machinery |
| 22:54.17 | Wormy_ | He made leather fingertips to keep playing |
| 22:54.19 | Wormy_ | Thats metal |
| 22:55.00 | Wormy_ | *lead guitarist |
| 22:56.09 | Hachiman | I remember hearing about that |
| 22:59.36 | Wormy_ | Watching this show that's trying to make the connection in the late 60's with Britain's waning steel industry and rise of heavy metal music |
| 22:59.59 | Wormy_ | Whether the term "metal" comes from that I don't know |
| 23:45.59 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Borealis_Galactic_War/Prologue#The_Cranky_Old_Mechanic :oooo |
| 23:47.14 | Technobliterator | I reckon btw this was my favourite part of the rewrite so far |
| 23:47.20 | Technobliterator | it was so much better written than the original |
| 23:49.39 | Hachiman | I'll have a read of it tomorrow when I'm not so drowsy, but it looks like it's gonna be a fun one |
| 23:50.18 | Technobliterator | yeah, I reckon you'll enjoy this one |
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| 23:53.01 | Quark8 | Hey. |
| 23:56.38 | Tek0516 | Oh yeah, there's supposed to be a big auroratoday ir something |
| 23:58.19 | DrodoEmpire | I'm back |
| 23:58.50 | Tek0516 | Hey DrodoEmpire |
| 23:59.06 | Quark8 | Hey. |
