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| 00:04.44 | Quark_PC | Welcome back. |
| 00:45.37 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 00:48.01 | Technobliterator | fail |
| 00:48.03 | Technobliterator | faaaaaaaaaaaaail |
| 00:59.06 | DrodoEmpire | >: |
| 00:59.22 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm |
| 00:59.31 | DrodoEmpire | So we got a fictionverse Keemstar |
| 00:59.39 | DrodoEmpire | Do we now need a fictionverse Scarce? <.< |
| 00:59.54 | DrodoEmpire | Jivran - *emerges from behind tree* hey what's up guys, Jivran here |
| 02:30.10 | DrodoEmpire | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAoDLyJaZ4 ohgodlol |
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| 04:25.07 | DrodoEmpire | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIZHUyVzx7A worst part is that this is actually incredibly well done |
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| 08:46.59 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 09:48.35 | Monet | Hello |
| 10:18.55 | dino82_ | :d |
| 10:22.46 | Monet | brb |
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| 10:45.27 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 11:59.12 | Wormy_ | http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/18/opinion/sunday/the-difference-between-rationality-and-intelligence.html?_r=2 |
| 12:02.52 | Ghelae | I wonder if, in questions of the form "which is more likely, 'X' or 'X and Y'", people implicitly assume the former means 'X and ¬Y' in contrast to the latter. |
| 12:03.48 | Ghelae | Not that I'm denying that intelligence and rationality are distinct properties. |
| 12:09.17 | Wormy_ | Maybe, one has to think about all the ways a question might be interpreted |
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| 12:11.07 | Monet | Hello |
| 12:11.31 | Spu-Phone | ack |
| 12:12.06 | Spu-Phone | I'm hungover and I'm very hungry, not ideal situation |
| 12:12.38 | Monet | Kebabs are always nice. |
| 12:12.48 | Wormy_ | "There is also now evidence that rationality, unlike intelligence, can be improved through training." - I could be getting this from wrong information, but I always thought intelligence had some plasticity. |
| 12:13.11 | Wormy_ | Or maybe it is the rational part of the mind coping with strategies |
| 12:13.14 | Spu-Phone | send help |
| 12:13.42 | Wormy_ | Spu-Phone: I'm in the same boat, in fact I still feel drunk |
| 12:14.27 | Wormy_ | I'm having hash browns as my recovery food |
| 12:14.35 | Monet | It seems somewhat synchronous that The World's End was on Film 4 last night. |
| 12:15.05 | Wormy_ | What's that? |
| 12:15.19 | Monet | A Pegg-Frost film. |
| 12:16.35 | Monet | A 40-year old manchild gets his school mates together to go on a twelve-stop pub crawl in their home town. Only to find the entire town has become weird |
| 12:17.33 | Wormy_ | ohh |
| 12:17.37 | Wormy_ | I have seen that |
| 12:18.56 | Wormy_ | Yes, last night I went to see this slightly psychedelic progressive rock band play in a new venue, which is literally a large shed in a carpark |
| 12:19.22 | Wormy_ | Its set up by this guy who has just opened a small art gallery |
| 12:19.53 | Wormy_ | Its awesome there was food, music and a speaker talking about the post-apocalypse. And it always has an anarchic theme |
| 12:20.18 | Monet | Sounds a bit like that not-actually-punk rave you went to the other week. |
| 12:21.15 | Wormy_ | The town council hate it for some reason and want it to stop, citing noise pollution. Yet its only held once a month, and is supported by donations. It's also on the same road as a noisy club that goes into the early hours and attracts teenagers that are much louder |
| 12:21.22 | Wormy_ | It's the same venue, yeah |
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| 12:23.18 | Monet | Nice |
| 12:24.04 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.20 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 12:24.28 | Wormy_ | That ending was weird |
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| 12:27.26 | Monet | I realised after a second viewing each pub name echoes each part of the story. |
| 12:29.48 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: There's the curious case of obsessive rationalists who pursued their work with so much personal energy, their pursuit became self-destructive and isolating, or took on irrational beliefs to justify their obsession to prove or disprove themselves. But lack of acceptance by others also count |
| 12:30.09 | Wormy_ | People like Cantor, Gödel and Price. |
| 12:52.22 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: So I've read in Roger Penrose's new book, that in Weyl curvature, a clock subject to time dilation compared to a lower velocity one will not return to the same frequency as the planet-bound clock upon return. This violates a chief component of quantum mechanics, so is not true of the actual universe |
| 12:53.19 | Ghelae | For all I know that could well be true. |
| 12:53.20 | Wormy_ | The first section of the book is talking a lot about string theory tension, Kaluza-Klein theory and guage connections |
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| 12:56.28 | Wormy_ | Its a very hard for me, since it has a lot of mathematical sections I've simply never done before |
| 12:56.37 | Wormy_ | *a very hard read |
| 12:58.26 | Monet | Hello |
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| 13:11.33 | Treebeard | Hello |
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| 13:42.49 | DrodoEmpire | hi |
| 13:45.01 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 13:47.52 | DrodoEmpire | "Comedian Howie Mandel was expelled from his high school for impersonating a member of the school board and getting a construction company to make some additions at his school." |
| 13:49.19 | Monet | What kinds of additions? |
| 14:08.53 | DrodoEmpire | No idea XD |
| 14:21.54 | Charles_Murray | lol |
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| 14:38.04 | Treebeard | oops |
| 14:41.42 | Technobliterator | Wormy_, two dolphins were recorded having what appears to be a conversation :o |
| 14:41.56 | Wormy_ | Ooh |
| 14:42.28 | Technobliterator | Telegraph, but it's a decent piece http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/09/11/dolphins-recorded-having-a-conversation-for-first-time/ |
| 14:42.51 | Wormy_ | Its well documented that whale song varies throughout the year and contain volumes of information |
| 14:44.43 | Wormy_ | it would be amazing if we could eventually communicate with them |
| 14:44.46 | DrodoEmpire | This is an incredible discovery, for sure |
| 14:44.53 | DrodoEmpire | And, yeah, its exciting |
| 14:45.56 | DrodoEmpire | I do wonder what they'd say, and just how intelligent they are- do they possess only a rudimentary language, and are still essentially animals, fauna- or should they be treated and talked to on a more human level, as fellow inhabitants of Earth? |
| 14:46.14 | Wormy_ | Dr John C. Lilly gave acid and ketamine to dolphins while drugged up himself to attempt breaking the communication barrier. |
| 14:47.00 | Wormy_ | That's the thing, learning the rules of their language is one thing, the meanings quite another. |
| 14:48.18 | DrodoEmpire | True, true |
| 14:48.59 | DrodoEmpire | (Also- EUIV Prussia is sooo OP lategame) |
| 14:49.15 | DrodoEmpire | A Prussian army went up against an Ottoman one |
| 14:49.43 | DrodoEmpire | The Ottomans lost every single man of their 34 000 strong army- while the Prussians took 214 casualties |
| 14:49.45 | Wormy_ | If 25 million years of evolution has given them creativity, dolphins might talk about things very orthogonal to human meanings and experiences from living in an aquatic environment. But if dolphins lack creativity on a generational scale, then what they talk about could be very simple |
| 14:49.56 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 14:50.05 | DrodoEmpire | *215 rather |
| 14:50.25 | Wormy_ | That's a bit too far |
| 14:50.34 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
| 14:50.46 | Wormy_ | That's probably before our last common ancestor |
| 14:51.21 | Wormy_ | Oh, didn't read your EUIV comment |
| 14:51.45 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh XD |
| 14:52.27 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah if you can actually *form* Prussia and survive to the late game you're unstoppable |
| 14:52.36 | DrodoEmpire | The difficulty is in actually getting to that point |
| 14:52.55 | DrodoEmpire | As for the rest of the game you're extremely fragile and at the mercy of the HRE |
| 15:01.12 | Wormy_ | Looks like the paper has numerous issues from what is understood already and not accounted for http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/09/dolphins-conversation-explained-words-sentences-language-animals/ |
| 15:04.33 | Wormy_ | You'd think if dolphins had evolved creativity, in millions of years they would have formed more complex societies. I know being underwater limits them a lot more than our ancestors were; yet there are solutions proposed that may allow agriculture and industry to be developed by marine species. Dolphins have been observed to be tool users as well. |
| 15:05.32 | Wormy_ | The point about creativity is that is central to acquiring knowledge, and it would seem dolphin culture lacks the same depth of knowledge human cultures have |
| 15:06.51 | Wormy_ | A counter-argument might be that I'm being chauvinistic, but you would definitely see the effects of knowledge growth on a culture as ancient as the dolphin one if it existed |
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| 15:08.30 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Inb4 it was actually a dolphin rap battle |
| 15:08.54 | Wormy_ | Human creativity is not always expressed throughout history either, because of the same powers that may have allowed creativity to evolve (i.e. meme-gene coevolution) can also suppress it by creating cultures of largely static memes |
| 15:08.58 | Imperios | TBH, studying dolphin communication would help linguistics a lot |
| 15:09.13 | Wormy_ | But dolphin culture dwarfs human evolution |
| 15:09.26 | Imperios | THere's a GIANT gap between human language and all other sign systems and forms of communication animals use, and dolphin language could as well be the missing link there |
| 15:09.35 | Imperios | Unless it turns out their language is as advanced as ours and |
| 15:09.51 | Wormy_ | If it is, they aren't doing much with it :P |
| 15:10.45 | Imperios | Well, neither do most humans |
| 15:10.47 | Ghelae | They do have tool use, but they are still limited as far as dexterity is concerned. |
| 15:11.02 | Imperios | Problem with human language is that it does not seem to have developed at all throughout history |
| 15:11.39 | Imperios | It kind of just happened, with grammar and all, and only expanded in size, but not exactly in complexity |
| 15:11.46 | Imperios | New words, etc |
| 15:12.29 | Imperios | The language of some Australian Aboriginal tribe is as functional and nuanced as, say, French, the only difference is the lack of certain words for concepts that Aboriginals lack |
| 15:14.46 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
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| 15:15.08 | Wormy_ | I'd be surprised if dexterity is an ultimate limit for them. |
| 15:15.20 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 15:15.21 | DrodoEmpire | Would that imply that language itself is something completely natural to humans? |
| 15:15.28 | Wormy_ | supposing they had evolved creativity |
| 15:15.54 | DrodoEmpire | With only the actual contents of the languages being socially constructed because of geographical/historical context |
| 15:16.08 | Wormy_ | hello |
| 15:16.11 | DrodoEmpire | *humans and dolphins, apparently |
| 15:17.04 | Wormy_ | I think it would, its entirely possible the complexity of human language evolved with hominids. |
| 15:17.32 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, yeah |
| 15:18.04 | Wormy_ | And the more complex language and meanings becomes, the more brain power you need to guess what your fellows are communicating. |
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| 15:18.42 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: It seems to be so, yes |
| 15:19.09 | DrodoEmpire | Interesting |
| 15:19.52 | DrodoEmpire | It *does* seem to be the best explanation as to why *every* society has a language and every language is basically equally complex despite the societies |
| 15:20.07 | DrodoEmpire | *societies' material cultures being vastly more and less complex and advanced |
| 15:20.49 | Wormy_ | bbl |
| 15:30.59 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: It seems that people, when growing up, will inevitably invent or reinvent grammatic rules and the like |
| 15:31.06 | Imperios | Papua is a very interesting case here |
| 15:31.11 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, seems so |
| 15:31.46 | Imperios | Their own languages were displaced by English, but as its introduction was not organised or anything, the resulting language they use now looks like neither |
| 15:31.56 | DrodoEmpire | Right, yeah |
| 15:32.04 | Imperios | It has its own rules and uses words from both languages in new, strange ways |
| 15:32.11 | Imperios | They use "belong" instead of "of" for example |
| 15:32.19 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm, interesting |
| 15:32.38 | DrodoEmpire | Depending on context those *are* similar, so its an interesting development |
| 15:32.48 | Imperios | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Tok_Pisin_Road_Work_Warning_Sign.jpg It looks silly though |
| 15:33.03 | DrodoEmpire | Indeed |
| 15:33.15 | DrodoEmpire | So its a mixed-language that arose from a partial understanding of either language |
| 15:35.01 | Ghelae | On Wormy's idea that dolphins should have developed agriculture "if [they] had evolved creativity", I doubt they'd want to. It would require them to have some motivation to make fish farms rather than go hunting (which I imagine is more fun), and then tend to the other farms that produce the fish food. |
| 15:35.11 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire Wormy_away: http://dh7pcxiz5gws2.cloudfront.net/scripturepictures/tpi.png |
| 15:35.22 | Ghelae | I don't know if any of the suggested explanations for why humans developed agriculture could be applicable to dolphins. |
| 15:35.41 | DrodoEmpire | Also agriculture depends heavily on those resources even being available |
| 15:35.42 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
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| 15:36.04 | DrodoEmpire | Agriculture developed where it was easy to and plants that could be cultivated existed |
| 15:36.14 | Imperios | >as â bottom, cause, beginning (from "ass"/"arse"). "As ples bilong em" = "his birthplace". "As bilong diwai" = "the stump of a tree". |
| 15:36.23 | Imperios | That is fucking brilliant |
| 15:36.27 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 15:37.08 | DrodoEmpire | It took humans a while to make "fish farms"- though admittedly that had a lot to do with us being able to fish normally until recently in many areas |
| 15:37.24 | DrodoEmpire | Plus humans have a lot of dexterity and can actually wield tools |
| 15:37.49 | DrodoEmpire | We're also built for endurance, so we're physically *able* to work long, tedious hours in a field or corral |
| 15:38.37 | DrodoEmpire | No guarantees that Dolphins share these characteristics |
| 15:40.36 | Ghelae | Dolphins do show basic tool use (sponges around their snouts, IIRC), and that was Wormy's point: perhaps, with some creativity, they could expand on that. |
| 15:41.08 | Ghelae | But of course I have no real criticisms as to any of your other points. |
| 15:41.11 | Imperios | So |
| 15:41.30 | Imperios | How about we take a small dolphin group and give them resources to figure out agriculture |
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| 15:42.28 | dino82_ | hi |
| 15:42.31 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 15:42.33 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 15:42.44 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 15:43.01 | DrodoEmpire | We're not sure how agriculture emerged is the thing |
| 15:43.14 | DrodoEmpire | It was probably something that happened, gradually, over the course of centuries |
| 15:43.21 | DrodoEmpire | People didn't just "figure it out" |
| 15:43.34 | Ghelae | I would not be surprised if lots of humans starved when times were hard before figuring out agriculture. |
| 15:44.02 | DrodoEmpire | Actually quality of life was significantly better under hunter-gatherer societies |
| 15:44.02 | Ghelae | So I don't think you'd get ethical approval for putting dolphins in the same conditions. :P |
| 15:44.15 | DrodoEmpire | Than under early agricultural societies |
| 15:44.17 | DrodoEmpire | But yeah |
| 15:44.37 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, it wasn't what people seem to think it was- a conscious choice |
| 15:45.31 | DrodoEmpire | No doubt it started with people realising wild wheat grew where they dropped seed by accident, and that later turned in to people intentionally sowing some seeds for fruits and wheat as a secondary or tertiary food source of something they liked |
| 15:45.56 | DrodoEmpire | And over a very very long time it went from gardens to farms, as hunting and foraging became rarer and rarer |
| 15:46.23 | Ghelae | And dropping seeds isn't something that would happen with dolphins, what with them being carnivores. |
| 15:46.34 | DrodoEmpire | So, no, its not *really* about "creativity"- its not like a group of people just came up with growing gardens one day |
| 15:46.56 | DrodoEmpire | It was all pretty accidental and without conscious consideration of factors beyond the very short-term |
| 15:47.31 | DrodoEmpire | And yeah unlike with studying humans we have to consider if dolphins are physically capable of civilisation |
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| 16:15.12 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 16:15.33 | Imperios | Hiya |
| 16:20.21 | DrodoEmpire | Hey hacho |
| 16:20.22 | DrodoEmpire | *i |
| 16:22.35 | Imperios | >Hacho |
| 16:22.39 | Imperios | Like Hachi but macho |
| 16:24.15 | Monet | Hi |
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| 16:24.44 | Xho | Okay hangover has been cured |
| 16:25.25 | Monet | Hooray |
| 16:26.15 | Imperios | Hi Xho |
| 16:28.14 | Xho | meow |
| 16:32.17 | Monet | I was looking on the Steam forums and found this guy who was claiming that Bioshock Remastered wasn't running on his $12,000 rig. |
| 16:33.05 | Xho | pleb didn't get the right gpu |
| 16:33.21 | Monet | He says he has two Titan Zs. |
| 16:33.32 | Xho | Titan X you mean right |
| 16:34.44 | Monet | Nope, Titan ZS |
| 16:34.55 | Monet | Z* |
| 16:35.16 | Xho | wtf |
| 16:35.29 | Monet | Here's where things get loopy |
| 16:36.26 | Monet | Along with this, he has a 6GHz ATI 8350 on a Gigabyte 990 Fxa ud5 |
| 16:37.02 | Xho | 2016: Year of the Bad Optimization |
| 16:37.19 | Xho | That's a level of power well beyond necessary |
| 16:37.23 | Monet | And 64gig ram...with a motherboard that can only manage 32GB ram |
| 16:37.45 | Xho | wut |
| 16:38.11 | Monet | The 8350s I can find are 4GHz. |
| 16:38.17 | Xho | My rig is enough for playing Fallout 4 on max graphics on 4K |
| 16:38.31 | Xho | It doesn't need to be any more powerful than that really |
| 16:39.47 | Xho | As long as the texture and antialiasing is high enough for me I don't care about the rest of the graphics |
| 16:39.48 | Monet | When people started calling out his rig, he claimed he was 50 despite using the language of a drunken sailor and the spelling of a twelve year old. |
| 16:40.25 | Xho | doi |
| 16:40.49 | Cyrannian | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/86/Cyrannus.png/revision/latest?cb=20160918164013 - Take a look |
| 16:41.22 | Monet | About 12 pages in after lots of people said he was a strange man for having a $12K rig but pirating a $20 game, he claimed he was retired and lived in a $300K house in New England. |
| 16:42.21 | Imperios | Xho Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-95zL_vVByg |
| 16:42.26 | Xho | Monet: Sounds like mega bullshit then |
| 16:42.37 | Xho | Cyrannian: #nicefont |
| 16:42.44 | Imperios | Cyrannian: Looks like a brain |
| 16:43.05 | Xho | double shark |
| 16:43.20 | Cyrannian | Trying to re-edit it, some of the worlds don't line up to the hyperlanes |
| 16:44.32 | Monet | Cyrannian: Where's Sundarra? |
| 16:45.27 | Cyrannian | North of Aegypticus |
| 16:45.55 | Monet | I see it now. |
| 16:46.25 | Monet | Wait is it still on the Perliamma Run (however it's spelt)? |
| 16:46.50 | Monet | Xho: I agree. Much of the discussion was people who knew computers telling him he was talking out of his ass. |
| 16:47.14 | Cyrannian | I might have moved it accidentally, but I'm rearranging worlds to bit hyperlanes anyway so I'll place it back |
| 16:47.23 | Cyrannian | *fit |
| 16:47.30 | Monet | Thanks |
| 16:48.19 | Monet | Xho: For one he was claiming AMD CPUs are better despite a lot of enthusiast opinion that for gaming, Intel make great CPUs |
| 16:48.52 | Xho | Never heard anyone praising an AMD CPU |
| 16:50.28 | Monet | AMD CPUs lack GPUs that allow parallel computing. |
| 16:51.00 | Monet | One guy commented his computer sounds like a great setup for Bitcoin mining |
| 16:51.06 | Xho | ouch |
| 16:53.03 | Monet | His first mistake, as I've mentioned previously, is using the price of your rig as a marker for how good it is. |
| 16:53.38 | Cyrannian | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/86/Cyrannus.png/revision/latest?cb=20160918165320 - dere, everything is where it's supposed to be |
| 16:56.59 | Monet | I think part of that 12K includes his monitor. |
| 16:59.05 | DrodoEmpire | 8000$ ayylmaoware computer |
| 16:59.12 | DrodoEmpire | 1000$ gaming chair |
| 16:59.13 | Xho | dikware |
| 16:59.44 | DrodoEmpire | 1000$ ultra sci-fi logitech mouse/keyboard (with mouse-lifting feature for those AK one-taps) |
| 16:59.45 | Xho | My desktop cost $2400 but that's not the point |
| 17:00.24 | DrodoEmpire | 2000$ 670K HD HDR 400AU-270 in monitor |
| 17:00.30 | DrodoEmpire | Best setup 2016 |
| 17:00.39 | Monet | Lol |
| 17:00.58 | DrodoEmpire | All paid for by CSGOLotto sponsor money <.< |
| 17:01.11 | Xho | fukn |
| 17:02.01 | Monet | His CPU costs £134 o nAMazon |
| 17:02.53 | Monet | Intel's i7-6700K costs £304. |
| 17:03.14 | Xho | dosh |
| 17:03.23 | Monet | He's using a budget CPU. |
| 17:03.26 | Xho | dum |
| 17:03.51 | Technobliterator | I find the BioShock Collection intriguing |
| 17:03.55 | Technobliterator | But I'm not a horror fan |
| 17:04.59 | Monet | My tastes in horror are very selective |
| 17:06.50 | Monet | So I understand, but depend on what turns you off abotu horror |
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| 17:07.31 | Technobliterator | I just don't enjoy being scared by media :| |
| 17:08.00 | Monet | Biochock's creepy. |
| 17:08.07 | Monet | But I wouldn't say it's out to scare you. |
| 17:08.56 | DrodoEmpire | I don't mind being scared |
| 17:09.10 | DrodoEmpire | I don't like being just creeped out, oddly enough |
| 17:09.10 | Monet | That is unless you worship her divine majesty Ayn Rand. Then playing this game will make you think you were sent to Hell. |
| 17:10.12 | Xho | It's not scary |
| 17:10.15 | Xho | It's just macabre |
| 17:11.25 | Technobliterator | I don't mind being creeped out |
| 17:11.33 | Technobliterator | Also, I was never a fan of Ayn Rand's literature at all |
| 17:12.02 | Monet | Technobliterator: I was having fun about the Ayn Rand joke. |
| 17:12.11 | Technobliterator | ah |
| 17:12.24 | Monet | I'd say Bioshock is one of those games that you should play before you die. |
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| 17:14.02 | Monet | I used Bioshock as a case study for why Objectivism doesn't really work. |
| 17:17.49 | Technobliterator | Hm, I may enjoy it then |
| 17:27.26 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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| 17:29.42 | DrodoEmpire | https://scontent.fyhz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14344800_1772935559643657_8728898074567756821_n.jpg?oh=75db24062f43b1ecda53b7fe6a37d0fb&oe=5876C241 ancap world <.< |
| 17:36.29 | Wormy_away | Ghelaway, DrodoEmpire: To expand on the optimism I have for marine technological civilisation; if dolphins could acquire knowledge as we do, then its not resources that limit them, but knowledge itself in adapting the world to their wishes. If a transformation is physically possible, then its only a matter kf knowing how to do it. And because people have thought about plausible pathways for marine civilisation, I wouldn't d |
| 17:37.26 | DrodoEmpire | Mm no, again, things hinge on whether the resources are actually present and easily available for civilisation to arise |
| 17:37.39 | Ghelaway | You cut out at "I wouldn't d". |
| 17:37.43 | DrodoEmpire | Does intelligence factor in to it? Yes, of course it does in this case |
| 17:37.48 | Wormy_away | * I wouldn't discount the possibility. |
| 17:38.19 | Ghelaway | Drodo, what you're saying is actually an argument that the transformation isn't physically possible because the resources aren't available. |
| 17:38.34 | Wormy_away | The thing is, let me explain that dolphins would acquire knowledge the same we do, and we face problems with limitations of the environment |
| 17:38.56 | Wormy_away | But actually, there are resources available if you knew how to use them |
| 17:39.06 | DrodoEmpire | 'Transformation' in to what? |
| 17:39.08 | DrodoEmpire | Again |
| 17:39.09 | Ghelaway | My reasoning, however, is that it's not just knowing how to do it; it's also having the will to do it. Agriculture makes sense for humans, but not for dolphins. Other tool use is another matter entirely. |
| 17:39.13 | Wormy_away | Physics |
| 17:39.35 | DrodoEmpire | I agree that them actually having the mental capacity is a prerequisite |
| 17:40.11 | DrodoEmpire | But assuming they do have the intelligence, then its possible that Earth simply isn't a place conducive to marine civilisation |
| 17:40.53 | Wormy_away | I mean agree on all the problems written about in Guns, Germs and Steal, but I do think the way societies acquire knowledge and treat it also counts. Often resources were available and civilisations chose not to pursue innovation |
| 17:41.05 | DrodoEmpire | Again people in the long run of things don't consciously think up stuff like agriculture and civilisation and government and religion |
| 17:41.12 | DrodoEmpire | Not early on |
| 17:41.21 | DrodoEmpire | *Possibly* |
| 17:41.27 | Wormy_away | So my reasonong goes, in 25 million years, if dolphins acquired as we do we would see something more than what we actually do |
| 17:41.38 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah of course |
| 17:41.42 | Wormy_away | *acquired knowledge |
| 17:41.42 | DrodoEmpire | Biology counts here |
| 17:41.55 | DrodoEmpire | How they actually think counts here |
| 17:42.03 | Ghelaway | For reference, http://xenology.info/Xeno/20.3.2.htm |
| 17:42.58 | Wormy_away | Ghelaway: Also I agree, they may not need to develop exactly like we did, even out of choice. Assuming dolphins are actually like us |
| 17:43.31 | Ghelaway | (that link is to provide examples for Wormy's comments on the possibility of aquatic technology) |
| 17:43.50 | Ghelaway | I suppose could imagine dolphins having a use for weapons to fend off sharks. |
| 17:44.06 | Wormy_away | I might quoting old information, but apparently Greeks never developed the arch even though they knew about them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ascent_of_Man |
| 17:45.03 | Wormy_away | Or a kind of arch used by the Romans anyway |
| 17:45.33 | DrodoEmpire | Mm, not sure about that, they didn't often use it that might be true |
| 17:45.51 | Ghelaway | gtg |
| 17:45.59 | DrodoEmpire | But really this comes off as individual examples *trying* to invalidate the rule |
| 17:46.29 | DrodoEmpire | Systematic use started with the romans |
| 17:46.50 | DrodoEmpire | But they existed since the 2nd millenium BC |
| 17:47.20 | DrodoEmpire | Its quite possible that most of the ancient world knew of them, but thought that they were too expensive, or that local materials weren't suited for them, etc. |
| 17:47.33 | DrodoEmpire | Or they weren't schooled in their usage |
| 17:47.39 | DrodoEmpire | Pretty weak example |
| 17:47.48 | Wormy_away | Not trying to invalidate the rule, but things like that - choices, creativity and reason - just don't fit neatly |
| 17:48.16 | DrodoEmpire | They don't, but trying to make the arch conundrum *all about* choices, creativity, and reason is also erroneous |
| 17:48.23 | Wormy_away | Maybe, but the Romans eventually did come to acquire better knowledge of economics presumably |
| 17:48.29 | DrodoEmpire | Because there are potential practical reasons |
| 17:48.36 | DrodoEmpire | Huh? |
| 17:48.43 | DrodoEmpire | What does economics have to do with this? |
| 17:49.12 | Wormy_away | I'm saying a resource-based view to strictly limit the construction of the arch in the Greeks didn't stop the Romans, because they probably did things better |
| 17:49.47 | DrodoEmpire | Say that again? |
| 17:49.57 | DrodoEmpire | I found that statement confusing |
| 17:51.32 | Wormy_away | The Romans live in a very similar environment to the Greeks right? And yet whatever stopped the Greeks from extensive use of arches did not stop the Romans, of course they had more resources, but they also had the ambition and practicality to do it |
| 17:52.33 | Monet | The Greek states were more divided that the Roman Republic. |
| 17:52.56 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm |
| 17:53.00 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah no |
| 17:53.15 | DrodoEmpire | Here's the thing- the Romans were culturally different from the Greeks |
| 17:53.30 | DrodoEmpire | They shared a pantheon and some architecture but so did everyone back then' |
| 17:53.35 | Monet | What about water needs? One incentive for developing aqueducts was ROme needed water. |
| 17:53.46 | DrodoEmpire | The Romans had a large empire, yes |
| 17:54.15 | Wormy_away | That all I want to say, there is resources to consider but also the culture. |
| 17:54.24 | Wormy_away | and luck |
| 17:54.42 | DrodoEmpire | They were wealthy and needed a large transport network, so the natural end result are aquaducts using what was once an uncommon construction style |
| 17:55.00 | Monet | Not many other buildings at the time made use of arches |
| 17:55.07 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, of course culture factored in to it |
| 17:55.10 | DrodoEmpire | It always does |
| 17:55.24 | DrodoEmpire | But the grandest scope of history tends to blur things like these and that's what you neglect |
| 17:55.40 | Monet | How common are large rivers in Greece? |
| 17:55.57 | Wormy_away | I'm not neglecting anything. Its the position I'm trying to assert. |
| 17:56.01 | DrodoEmpire | GGS is a work about the widest possible scope of human history- using individual, specific examples like these isn't actually making a point |
| 17:56.12 | DrodoEmpire | Its discussing on a completely different, lower, level |
| 17:56.27 | DrodoEmpire | More fine-crush |
| 17:56.29 | DrodoEmpire | *brush |
| 17:57.24 | Monet | Thing is I think the development of the Roman aqueduct might have preceded their conquest of Greece. |
| 17:57.32 | DrodoEmpire | Think so |
| 17:57.34 | DrodoEmpire | Let me check |
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| 17:59.08 | DrodoEmpire | First aquaducts in Rome were probably ~312 BC |
| 17:59.30 | Cyrannian | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/3d/GreatCyrannusWarMap.png/revision/latest?cb=20160918175852 - Made a map of the Great Cyrannus War |
| 17:59.45 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, these aquaducts preceded the Greek conquests by like 150 years |
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| 18:02.24 | Wormy_away | Arches are useful for more than just aquaducts, they are structures that could have replaced many of the great pillars the Greeks were genius at creating. |
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| 18:03.01 | Wormy_away | And far more efficient at it. Given that the Greeks had fabulous geometric knowledge, it is a ipuzzling to me why they didn't build them |
| 18:04.52 | Monet | A pillar might have been cheaper and requiring less knowledge. |
| 18:05.19 | DrodoEmpire | I'm sure there were religious reasons behind building their temples the way they did\ |
| 18:05.42 | DrodoEmpire | But again irrelevant, as this is a level where culture and stuff really does matter a lot |
| 18:05.47 | DrodoEmpire | GGS is a layer above |
| 18:06.07 | Monet | The Greeks made some wonderful buildings, but Rome's history is littered with great engineering projects. |
| 18:08.34 | Wormy_away | I would diagree that its irrelevant. When there are counter-examples to a theory, its usually a sign that something isn't being explained and the theory needs correcting or expanding. I'm sure there are many more examples. |
| 18:10.48 | Monet | Depends on how significant the outlier. Athens and Rome evolved differently. Their circumstances were quite different. |
| 18:10.57 | Wormy_away | We access resources today our ancestors couldn't, because we know a lot more than our ancestors in terms of science, economics and society-level planning. It wasn't even a graual process, history is filled with long periods of barely any innovation, and very intense dynamic periods. We live in a world that is becoming more dynamic since the enlightenment |
| 18:12.19 | Monet | ALs one thing to consider is that cities like Athens, Corinth and Sparta were the larger city-states. |
| 18:13.04 | Monet | Greece was dotted with hundreds of city-states large and small. |
| 18:13.26 | Monet | Some were large towns compared to Athens. |
| 18:14.12 | Monet | There might have been a few with that situation actually. |
| 18:16.04 | Wormy_away | The Victorians could have combined Babbage's theory of computers with electric switches and steam-powered technology. All those things were present, but its hard to see the practicality ahead of time. In the modern world we are used to combining paradigms, like synthetic biology and computers |
| 18:16.16 | Wormy_away | but our ancestors rarely sought knowledge as we |
| 18:16.59 | DrodoEmpire | Right, but I think this is slightly off topic |
| 18:17.54 | Monet | The Greeks were perhaps similar - they might have known the arch in theory, but thought it didn't seem any more practical than the columns they were building. |
| 18:17.56 | DrodoEmpire | GGS primarily deals with inequalities- why some areas developed the way they did |
| 18:18.02 | DrodoEmpire | And why others didn't |
| 18:18.41 | DrodoEmpire | I strongly believe that geography and available resources predispose some societies to technological advancement and dominance, in the greatest scheme of things |
| 18:18.49 | DrodoEmpire | Lower levels become more nuanced |
| 18:18.52 | Monet | There might be religious reasons - The Euclidian approach to architecture did suggest that straight regular lines equated to divinity. |
| 18:18.57 | DrodoEmpire | But they hardly question the theory' |
| 18:19.30 | Wormy_away | Yes, but would you say it would be impossible in principle for say, a Greek-type civilisation to form in North America? It might take them a lot longer, but I imagine there would be resources available if a culture knew how to get them/ |
| 18:19.56 | Wormy_away | Lets keep in mind though, that it took 200,000 years for any civilisation to reach the level of the European enlightenment |
| 18:20.07 | DrodoEmpire | ..."Greek-type" civilisations *did* arise in North america. |
| 18:20.12 | DrodoEmpire | Whatever "greek-type" means |
| 18:20.29 | Wormy_away | City states, geometers, arch-building |
| 18:20.30 | DrodoEmpire | But they were less advanced and it took longer because of geographical concers |
| 18:20.36 | Wormy_away | fair enough |
| 18:20.47 | Monet | Not every First nation tribe lived in tents. |
| 18:20.49 | DrodoEmpire | Have you heard of mesoamerican or andean civilisation by chance? |
| 18:20.50 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 18:20.56 | DrodoEmpire | The iroquois? |
| 18:21.24 | Monet | We also have evidence in Mexico and the southwestern United States of square mud buildings. |
| 18:21.25 | Wormy_away | Well, actually I knew some communities on the southern edge of the US built cave cisties |
| 18:21.31 | Wormy_away | *cities |
| 18:21.35 | DrodoEmpire | But even then they were still less advanced and less connected |
| 18:22.29 | DrodoEmpire | The story gets more nuanced after that on lower layers, things such as proximate factors come in to play |
| 18:27.27 | Wormy_away | I just think the way societies sought knowledge must come into play as well, along with GGS. And knowledge is very hard-won. |
| 18:27.39 | Monet | Wormy_away: Think of it this way perhaps. GGS's theory is like the tier scale. Things are more predictable at higher levels, but at lower levels things arem uch more nuanced and varied |
| 18:28.47 | Monet | Actually I was doing some reasing and this might correlate https://aristotleguide.wordpress.com/2014/01/31/this-is-not-athens/#comment-565 |
| 18:32.11 | Monet | https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/old-stone-mud-brick-wall-one-remaining-greek-building-constructed-using-traditional-render-techniques-actual-location-72803870.jpg this might be more accurate to how many Greek residences looked. |
| 18:32.32 | Monet | (I realise this is a shed but it's made of the same materials as an old Athenian residence) |
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| 18:34.09 | Monet | We like to think Athenians were philosophers and all Greeks were master engineers but they were a specialised minority of the population. |
| 18:34.38 | Wormy_away | Still not sure if this "high level and low level" distinction really saves it. If there is nothing really stopping a culture at the lower level from having an enlightenment period, then it could have happened anywhere, and it didn't have to happen somewhere on the European continent |
| 18:35.44 | DrodoEmpire | Uh, no |
| 18:35.45 | Monet | To have an enlightenment period, wealth, resources and food must be plentiful. |
| 18:35.49 | DrodoEmpire | That's stupid |
| 18:36.00 | DrodoEmpire | The enlightenment had *so* many factors leading in to it |
| 18:36.05 | DrodoEmpire | As did any social upheaval |
| 18:36.14 | Wormy_away | Of course, and a long-lasting one only happened once |
| 18:36.18 | DrodoEmpire | It *couldn't* have happened anywhere |
| 18:37.15 | Wormy_away | But also ideas and methods that survive the generations |
| 18:37.33 | Monet | The great works we all treat as high culture or the hallmark of civilisation are the result of a sizable number of people who weren't farmers. Who thanks to the resources provided by farmers and artisans could spend time making careers making art or philosophical literature. |
| 18:37.40 | DrodoEmpire | It happened in Europe because the Renaissance happened there, and as a reaction against absolute monarchy- and the Renaissance happened in Europe because Europe had a distinct dark age and had its literature reintroduced to it via Arabia |
| 18:37.50 | Wormy_away | The way people seek ideas has to play a role along with resources. That's what I'm arguing for. |
| 18:38.20 | DrodoEmpire | Europe was also exceptionally wealthy, so there were plenty of people around who could think and be patronised by wealthy people who were sympathetic to their ideas |
| 18:38.41 | DrodoEmpire | It was also beginning to be industrialised which meant there was a disenfranchised lower-class living in urban centres |
| 18:38.43 | Wormy_away | History actually has lots of mini-enlightenment periods from about any civilisation one can think of, but none of them lasted very long |
| 18:38.51 | Monet | The great works of Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo and Rafael were only possible because they were all paid by wealthy banking families t ocreate status symbols. |
| 18:38.52 | DrodoEmpire | And they all had lots of context |
| 18:38.55 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 18:39.01 | DrodoEmpire | They didn't just *happen* |
| 18:40.38 | Wormy_away | What about the short 100 years or so of artistic freedom and invention in Florence? That period was eventually crushed by catholic doctrine, but for a while people in that community had a different values. |
| 18:40.39 | DrodoEmpire | And they couldn't have happened almost anywhere |
| 18:40.55 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah-- still had context |
| 18:41.14 | DrodoEmpire | It wasn't just a huge cosmic coincidence it happened in Italy |
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| 18:41.35 | Quark8 | Hello dino82_. |
| 18:41.35 | DrodoEmpire | I'm sick of this anyhow, its gone on for too long |
| 18:41.35 | Monet | Wormy_away: The percentage of the population that could afford the fruits of the Florentine artists can be counted with two hands. |
| 18:42.00 | Wormy_away | Well it was, in my opinion a confluence of luck, the values of seeking knowledge, and resources. |
| 18:42.23 | Wormy_away | I'll tell you why I'm so bothered by this |
| 18:42.30 | DrodoEmpire | No, stop |
| 18:42.38 | DrodoEmpire | Christ almighty I'm just sick of this discussion |
| 18:43.10 | DrodoEmpire | Its gone on for too long and it lost its focus a while ago |
| 18:43.32 | dino82_ | hi! |
| 18:43.42 | Quark8 | How're you? |
| 18:43.52 | dino82_ | Great! And you? |
| 18:43.52 | Wormy_away | I'm not really sure what we're disagreeing on either, we both ikkeep going back to admit resources or culture on some level shaped history. |
| 18:44.11 | DrodoEmpire | Yes I know and we're framing it as an argument |
| 18:44.19 | Quark8 | I'm great as well. |
| 18:44.23 | DrodoEmpire | This has no focus and its just grinding on my patienc |
| 18:44.24 | DrodoEmpire | *e |
| 18:44.32 | Wormy_away | I just GGS needs to encompass that aspect. Maybe it does and I've been misinformed. |
| 18:44.56 | DrodoEmpire | I have a titanpad open so I'd sooner do that and not split my attention, is another big thing |
| 18:44.59 | Wormy_away | *I just think |
| 18:45.06 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe so, maybe not |
| 18:45.10 | DrodoEmpire | Its been a year since I read it |
| 18:45.13 | Cyrannian | dino82_: Quark8: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/3d/GreatCyrannusWarMap.png/revision/latest?cb=20160918175852 - Take a look |
| 18:45.42 | Charles_Bot | What's going on? |
| 18:45.50 | dino82_ | I really dislike that revision bug thingy, it makes the image so small. Glad that somebody told me to remove it so I can zoom in again :D |
| 18:46.15 | DrodoEmpire | Nothing, Charles, just an argument that should've been a discussion |
| 18:46.23 | Charles_Bot | What's the argument? |
| 18:46.30 | DrodoEmpire | That lacked a lot of focus I feel so it pissed me off how much we were running in circles |
| 18:46.35 | DrodoEmpire | Nothing, its nothing |
| 18:46.37 | dino82_ | @Cyrannian: Neat image Cyrannian! The CAS was quite big! |
| 18:46.39 | Quark8 | Cyrannian: I saw. It looks great, and I'm quite fond of the base galaxy. |
| 18:46.41 | DrodoEmpire | If you're curious then read it |
| 18:47.57 | Quark8 | I also didn't realize the size and amount of isolated parts of the Confederacy. |
| 18:48.37 | Charles_Bot | Reminds me of the disparate regions of control of the Spanish Civil War |
| 18:49.18 | dino82_ | Yeah, the CAS had a hard time fighting n the Cyrannus War |
| 18:50.03 | Cyrannian | Indeed, the regions near the interior are likely Libertus-populated worlds that rebelled, while those on the periphery are more often than not races such as the Mortalitas and the Basileus, which controlled expansive empires away from Core influence |
| 18:53.32 | dino82_ | interesstgin |
| 18:53.44 | Charles_Bot | Makes sense |
| 19:05.21 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 19:28.27 | dino82_ | test recieved |
| 19:29.11 | Imperios | Cyrannian Monet Xho Hachiman: http://66.media.tumblr.com/9c17f8aa00bc56e2642b496b3975b3d4/tumblr_oau5h0hkSu1rvzrnqo1_1280.jpg |
| 19:29.56 | Imperios | Cyrannian: CAS - FUCK WE CAN'T ACTUALLY GET TO EACH OTHER'S PLANETS |
| 19:30.29 | Imperios | Suddenly it makes sense now why it was a *confederacy* |
| 19:36.40 | Xho | Harambe's worn off on me now |
| 19:38.00 | Monet | I've long been bored of Harambe jokes. |
| 19:38.24 | Cyrannian | Imperios: aye that's what you get when the republic builds space walls |
| 19:38.43 | Imperios | I bet they made the CAS pay for them too |
| 19:40.24 | Cyrannian | I think I might try updating the URC/CAS page, they're pretty outdated |
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| 19:41.37 | Quark8 | Hello Wormy__. |
| 19:43.17 | Wormy__ | hi |
| 20:06.06 | dino82_ | bye bye all |
| 20:06.07 | dino82_ | till next time |
| 20:21.47 | Monet | For some reason I love this http://imgur.com/gallery/rrmZIxl |
| 20:29.25 | Imperios | Xho: How do you call a loincloth that is part of a more concealing outfit |
| 20:29.42 | Imperios | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/d/d0/GreyKnightTriumphant.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120604204351 This guy for example |
| 20:30.55 | Xho | Hm |
| 20:32.01 | Xho | No clue |
| 20:32.34 | Monet | Would that count as a tabard? |
| 20:33.40 | Xho | Suppose it would |
| 20:55.28 | Imperios | Cyrannian Monet: https://pp.vk.me/c604527/v604527928/2a579/3JKBj1mRv0A.jpg |
| 20:59.33 | Wormy__ | huh http://i.imgur.com/KXH7UJA.jpg |
| 21:03.36 | Wormy__ | thats what ice buckets or fridgefreezers are for http://i.imgur.com/FOMTiU9.jpg |
| 21:03.46 | Wormy__ | what barbarian puts ice cubes in wine |
| 21:04.32 | Monet | I know! |
| 21:04.48 | Monet | If you want to keep your wine cool, stick it in a bucket of ice. |
| 21:12.44 | Imperios | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/fa/Lord_Tansimael.png/revision/latest?cb=20160918211225 New Radeon character incoming |
| 21:17.50 | Imperios | guys |
| 21:17.52 | Imperios | take a look |
| 21:18.56 | Cyrannian | Looking forward to it |
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| 21:19.16 | DrodoEmpire | ohh cool |
| 21:19.19 | DrodoEmpire | *ooh |
| 21:19.23 | DrodoEmpire | I like the background |
| 21:19.52 | Cyrannian | Hai Oluap, hope you're feeling better |
| 21:20.26 | OluapPlayer | Hi, I'm not but thanks anyway |
| 21:22.28 | Imperios | Hi OP |
| 21:25.43 | OluapPlayer | Monet: https://hugelolcdn.com/v/410079.webm |
| 21:27.31 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.25 | Monet | Imperios: This guy looks very stern. Scary stern. |
| 21:28.32 | Technobliterator | hahahaha |
| 21:28.35 | Technobliterator | that video is amazing |
| 21:28.37 | Technobliterator | hi oluap |
| 21:28.51 | Monet | I might have seen that video ages ago. |
| 21:30.07 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: Are you free to rp? |
| 21:30.25 | Technobliterator | Was just about to ask you |
| 21:30.27 | Technobliterator | I am in 2 minutes |
| 21:30.31 | Technobliterator | Just need a drink |
| 21:30.54 | Monet | This reminds me: Saw this today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS1ZhEGqY1Y |
| 21:31.28 | Monet | (old news but whatever) |
| 21:31.40 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow lol |
| 21:31.43 | DrodoEmpire | Cool |
| 21:59.37 | Imperios | Monet: Maxios is Maxios I, right? |
| 22:00.15 | Monet | Imperios: Yes |
| 22:04.12 | Monet | So today Domino's Pizza has had a bit of an issue after reported footage of one of its delivery people doing a wheelie. |
| 22:05.22 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 22:05.59 | Monet | I remember in Spider-Man 2's pizza delivery missions you could flip about so much the pizzas you deliver are basically mush. |
| 22:13.25 | DrodoEmpire | lol |
| 22:20.41 | Cyrannian | Very nice work on Tansimael's page, Impy |
| 22:21.34 | Imperios | OluapPlayer Monet Wormy__ Xho Charles_Bot DrodoEmpire: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Phaunar_Tansimael Behold, holyrat Nigel Farage |
| 22:21.44 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 22:22.06 | OluapPlayer | Don't know who that is |
| 22:22.44 | Imperios | One of the masterminds behind Brexit |
| 22:23.02 | DrodoEmpire | Reading now |
| 22:23.07 | DrodoEmpire | He sounds pretty cool |
| 22:23.21 | Monet | Imperios: Slight discrepancy. Uriel abdicates in 2814. |
| 22:23.22 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning#Unexpected_Compliance DA RECKONING IS (mostly) COMPLETE :ooo |
| 22:23.25 | Imperios | rightio |
| 22:23.38 | DrodoEmpire | Tech: :o |
| 22:23.48 | Imperios | Dere fixed |
| 22:24.00 | Imperios | For once I tried to create someone who isn't one-dimensional |
| 22:27.03 | *** join/#sporewiki Quark8 (49c685a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.198.133.167) |
| 22:27.03 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 22:27.19 | Monet | Imperios: He's far from it. |
| 22:29.44 | Imperios | Well he is kind of pro-independence |
| 22:31.23 | Imperios | With a mix of "FUCK THE FRENCH" |
| 22:32.18 | Monet | He's a patriot, but one who knows that his country has its fundamental issues. |
| 22:32.48 | Technobliterator | I think the only patriotic people I have are Da Rogue Boyz |
| 22:33.07 | Technobliterator | URO hate Ottzello because of UNO, the Taldar hate their old Imperium because it got them punished |
| 22:33.49 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#So_we_lost_da_war I had this in mind for when Da Reckoning ended |
| 22:34.26 | Cyrannian | oho koluap |
| 22:34.37 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 22:34.38 | Technobliterator | hahahahaha |
| 22:39.27 | Technobliterator | So, now Da Reckoning is basically concluded, I'll leave it open for people to add to the old fronts, but we're going to move on with the Borealis War rewrite |
| 22:39.45 | DrodoEmpire | kk |
| 22:39.46 | OluapPlayer | aka never will get done |
| 22:39.51 | OluapPlayer | To both |
| 22:40.07 | DrodoEmpire | Me and Impy have restarted the New Aratacian part of Da Reckoning, so we'll try to get that one done |
| 22:40.30 | Technobliterator | yeah, feel free |
| 22:40.44 | DrodoEmpire | Alright great |
| 22:42.11 | OluapPlayer | Cyrannian: What's up with all the subpages for the Neraida War? |
| 22:43.28 | Cyrannian | I wanted the main page to be descriptive only, with no dialogue. I'll provide overviews for each subpage over the next week. |
| 22:45.10 | Technobliterator | I'm reading the Neraida War atm |
| 22:45.18 | Imperios | I know this request is a bit old fashioned but |
| 22:45.20 | Imperios | Quotes plz |
| 22:45.49 | Imperios | I am like the only person who still asks for quotes |
| 22:46.03 | Technobliterator | It's not really an old fashioned request :V |
| 22:46.10 | Technobliterator | I will after I finish reading this page |
| 22:49.56 | Cyrannian | Imperios: Hm, who should I quote as |
| 22:50.17 | Imperios | Probably either Apollo or Val |
| 22:55.48 | Technobliterator | Cyrannian, the Neraida are awesome :o |
| 22:57.04 | Cyrannian | danke kindly |
| 23:00.03 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: The Free Drodo party would like Phaumar, I figure |
| 23:00.16 | DrodoEmpire | The Free Drodo, too, being nationalist and skeptical of international institutions |
| 23:00.58 | Imperios | I kind of imagine him in a Putinist kind of situation where he gets along with every nationalist, pro-independence and anti-estabilishment group |
| 23:01.06 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, cool |
| 23:01.08 | Imperios | As well as everyone who does not like French peopkle |
| 23:01.36 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh the Free Drodo aren't strictly speaking anti-establishment, nor do they dislike the French |
| 23:01.45 | Imperios | As well as |
| 23:01.47 | DrodoEmpire | Jivirik has turned the Drodo people away from both |
| 23:01.54 | Imperios | They don't have to be all of these things |
| 23:01.58 | DrodoEmpire | But they'd likely get along |
| 23:03.01 | Imperios | \ |
| 23:03.22 | Imperios | Cyrannian: It kind of struck me. Since Borgs were interepreted by some to be an allegory to the Red Scare and communism |
| 23:03.32 | Imperios | Are their Borg cubes like mobile Soviet block houses |
| 23:03.43 | DrodoEmpire | Borg came after the Cold War though |
| 23:03.55 | DrodoEmpire | Klingons were an allegory in TOS for the communists |
| 23:04.07 | DrodoEmpire | Or rather the Soviets |
| 23:04.20 | Imperios | Ah |
| 23:04.29 | DrodoEmpire | I think the Romulans were an allegory for the Chinese, but I'm not sure |
| 23:04.33 | Imperios | I was about to say that these things https://2ch.hk/b/arch/2016-05-26/src/127846127/14642622956530.jpg Would make good cubes |
| 23:04.42 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: Aren't Romulans, well, Romans? |
| 23:04.53 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 23:05.04 | Imperios | https://maps.sakh.com/p/photos/data/e/c/13528/b/1a2ddf18559567d859e40089cf4297c5.jpg Imagine if that thing flew into the air and started assimilating people into Communists |
| 23:05.07 | Imperios | communists even |
| 23:05.25 | DrodoEmpire | But TOS was produced at the height of the Cold War, and it shows in what it implies with each group |
| 23:05.53 | DrodoEmpire | Klingons were like the Soviets of the Alpha Quadrant, the Federaton was like NATO, Romulans were China, etc. |
| 23:06.55 | Imperios | Ah |
| 23:12.32 | Wormy__ | Took me a moment to realise this is not a pastel-drawn picture https://twitter.com/Cmdr_Hadfield/status/774239261260472320 |
| 23:15.18 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Divinarium_Sigil.png I'll probably keep using that shiny sigil |
| 23:15.26 | Imperios | I've grown too accustomed to it, can't change it |
| 23:15.35 | Imperios | Also I actually have a T-shirt with it |
| 23:17.39 | Wormy__ | Anyway, I like your work on Not_Nigel |
| 23:19.29 | Imperios | yiy |
| 23:29.49 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@95.140.92.17) |
| 23:30.33 | ImpyDroid | Ñлв |
| 23:30.36 | ImpyDroid | sjs |
| 23:30.57 | ImpyDroid | Cyrannian: So are Nagith Capricyrs or not? |
| 23:31.35 | Cyrannian | I don't believe so |
| 23:33.10 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannian_Cold_War#Quotes - Also quote dis |
| 23:33.26 | OluapPlayer | "it was shit" -Apollo |
| 23:42.46 | OluapPlayer | I left a quote thinking it was the Neraida War page for some reason |
| 23:42.54 | OluapPlayer | I'm sick so gimme a break pls |
| 23:44.49 | Cyrannian | i shall never forgiv u for this |
| 23:55.14 | Quark8 | Quoted. |
| 23:56.19 | Cyrannian | Ooh very nice, danke |
| 23:56.48 | Quark8 | Welcome. |
| 23:57.25 | Quark8 | Damnit. The editor isn't working with me: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Holy_Adinndra_Empire. |
| 23:58.20 | Cyrannian | Fixed, you left a bracket off one of the links :P |
| 23:59.14 | Quark8 | Thanks. Also, could you delete this page: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Adinndra_Empire? |
| 23:59.41 | Cyrannian | Done |
