| 00:00.04 | Technobliterator | But I agree |
| 00:00.09 | Hachiman | But that stupidity comes at the price of the suffering of another human being |
| 00:00.13 | Hachiman | And that's selfish |
| 00:00.17 | DrodoEmpire | *possibly* |
| 00:00.43 | Wormy__ | inheritable disabilities are rarely absolute outcomes |
| 00:00.44 | Technobliterator | I can see why they wouldn't want to reproduce, I'd just let them choose for themselves |
| 00:00.50 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:00.55 | Technobliterator | They can always adopt a child if they want children |
| 00:00.58 | DrodoEmpire | I'm not going to touch it, its not my business and frankly that's not the state's business either |
| 00:01.24 | Wormy__ | Yeah, an idea of a state dictating who should allowed to exist appals me |
| 00:01.33 | Hachiman | To have a child and put its life and well-being at serious risk after knowing fully that there's a major and very likely chance it will be disadvantaged and suffer throughout its life through no fault of its own is somewhat inconceivable to me |
| 00:01.56 | Hachiman | Like, why would you put your child through that |
| 00:01.57 | DrodoEmpire | No one said it was "major or very likely" they inherit it |
| 00:02.01 | Wormy__ | But there are lots of situations in a child's life that put them potentially at risk |
| 00:02.07 | Monet_2 | Again. There's the option of IVF to minimise the risk. |
| 00:02.14 | DrodoEmpire | There's that |
| 00:02.16 | Wormy__ | We're talking about potentials here, after-all |
| 00:02.28 | DrodoEmpire | Encourage them to adopt or use IVF |
| 00:02.37 | Hachiman | Of course, I advocate for adoption |
| 00:02.39 | DrodoEmpire | Don't just ban them from reproduction like some eugenicist state |
| 00:02.57 | Monet_2 | Are these Trump policies? |
| 00:03.30 | Technobliterator | No, they're on the Political Compass site that I linked |
| 00:03.31 | Wormy__ | This conversation is forgetting that inheritable disabilities are often unexpected and hard to predict anyway. |
| 00:03.38 | DrodoEmpire | True |
| 00:03.38 | Hachiman | They should be able to look after children if they are capable, but I don't feel it's right for them to bring a child into the world knowing that it is at serious risk of getting a crippling hereditary disease |
| 00:03.40 | Technobliterator | It's a question that it asks you |
| 00:03.53 | Hachiman | It's just kind of selfish to me and I know it's fucked up on my part |
| 00:04.46 | Wormy__ | In short, even if there was a policy of banning the conception of children from parents who are predicted to be likely carriers of disease, children would still be born with diseases and disabilities. |
| 00:05.04 | Hachiman | Of course |
| 00:05.05 | DrodoEmpire | It'd be an unnecessary expansion of state power |
| 00:05.17 | Technobliterator | Yeah, the expansion of state power is the part I disagree with |
| 00:05.30 | Wormy__ | Its parental choice imo |
| 00:06.38 | Hachiman | A parental choice that can lead to unfair suffering and a very low quality of life for another human being |
| 00:06.56 | Hachiman | Note I said *can* |
| 00:06.57 | Technobliterator | shrugs |
| 00:07.00 | DrodoEmpire | Its also very unpredictable |
| 00:07.07 | DrodoEmpire | So don't legislate something on a hunch |
| 00:07.19 | Technobliterator | I think we can let Hachi answer the quiz how he wants, guys : | |
| 00:07.24 | Technobliterator | Not how we want him to |
| 00:07.29 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right |
| 00:07.36 | DrodoEmpire | But he asked for it in my defense >.< |
| 00:07.44 | Hachiman | I did |
| 00:08.05 | Hachiman | I've already admitted that I know it's a controversial opinion I hold and I asked in the knowledge that it was likely to be criticised |
| 00:08.17 | Technobliterator | Fair enough |
| 00:08.29 | *** join/#sporewiki NeonPanda (65b30e25@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.179.14.37) |
| 00:08.34 | Technobliterator | hihi panda |
| 00:08.52 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 00:08.58 | Wormy__ | I think those criteria are far too simplistic. Low quality of life... Who decides? Society? |
| 00:09.19 | Technobliterator | The individual can decide that |
| 00:09.31 | Wormy__ | A lot of people find ways to manage their diseases |
| 00:10.01 | Hachiman | Yes but there's a lot of diseases and disorders that *can't* be managed |
| 00:10.31 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.45 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 00:10.48 | DrodoEmpire | I get what hachi's saying |
| 00:10.50 | DrodoEmpire | Basically |
| 00:11.00 | Technobliterator | I am fortunate enough to not have any disability |
| 00:11.04 | DrodoEmpire | We should round up everyone who isn't genetically pure and with a flawless bill of health |
| 00:11.10 | DrodoEmpire | And ship them away |
| 00:11.10 | Hachiman | No, no |
| 00:11.17 | DrodoEmpire | AWAY |
| 00:11.21 | Technobliterator | What |
| 00:11.23 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 00:11.33 | Technobliterator | I hope you were joking there :| |
| 00:11.37 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, of course |
| 00:11.38 | Wormy__ | No, Hachi is saying they shouldn't exist in the first place |
| 00:11.38 | DrodoEmpire | XD |
| 00:11.41 | Technobliterator | alright cool |
| 00:11.47 | Technobliterator | :p |
| 00:11.56 | Hachiman | I hope you know that I'm talking *as* a disabled and genetically impure person |
| 00:12.16 | DrodoEmpire | I know I know, just being a dick |
| 00:13.02 | Wormy__ | Thing is, society already does decide when someone's life becomes unmanageable. I read about a baby in Nottingham recently who had life support turned off because life would be impossible without it. |
| 00:15.36 | Hachiman | Would you rather have had that baby suffer into adulthood with persistent and continued life support with no real possibility of true independence from its family / carers? |
| 00:15.58 | Wormy__ | Personally, no. |
| 00:16.02 | Hachiman | Their condition can be managed, but just being manageable doesn't mean their quality of life is equal to that of a person without that condition |
| 00:16.40 | Wormy__ | But if its manageable, who the fuck am I to judge? |
| 00:16.45 | Wormy__ | (not angry) |
| 00:17.34 | Wormy__ | I don't know the specific conditions the individual lives. How they feel and think. |
| 00:18.04 | Hachiman | If there is a *high chance* of a serious hereditary disease being passed on from a parent to their child, I feel it's the parent's responsibility, if they have full acknowledgement of their condition and the chances involved, if that kid comes out and suffers for it |
| 00:19.02 | DrodoEmpire | We're running in circles more than a neurotic Boxer on PCP |
| 00:19.06 | Hachiman | hur |
| 00:19.13 | DrodoEmpire | Off-topic at this point? |
| 00:19.41 | Hachiman | Anyway I'll end the discussion because I wanna finish this quiz |
| 00:19.57 | DrodoEmpire | Ah, alright |
| 00:21.51 | Hachiman | >You cannot be moral without being religious. |
| 00:21.53 | Hachiman | Ho boy |
| 00:22.18 | Technobliterator | It should come as no surprise that I put strongly disagree to that |
| 00:22.22 | DrodoEmpire | Ob^ |
| 00:22.23 | Wormy__ | I believe that to be false. |
| 00:22.24 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:22.29 | DrodoEmpire | Humanism exists <.< |
| 00:23.06 | Wormy__ | Morality also plays a role in all reasoning, namely that in science or mathematics one is obligated by their moral values to seek truth |
| 00:23.17 | Hachiman | >No one can feel naturally homosexual. |
| 00:23.21 | Hachiman | I don't... what? |
| 00:23.41 | DrodoEmpire | Some people say it was more of a conscious thing for them |
| 00:23.46 | Hachiman | Is this saying that homosexuality isn't a choice or |
| 00:23.49 | DrodoEmpire | And the whole genetic angle's still up in the air |
| 00:23.53 | Hachiman | *is a choice |
| 00:23.56 | Wormy__ | Some religious people think homosexuality is nurture rather than nature and ultimately a choice. |
| 00:23.58 | DrodoEmpire | But I'd some at least some are "born that way |
| 00:23.59 | Technobliterator | It's saying it's not a choice, yes |
| 00:24.05 | Technobliterator | Some of the religious right believe it isn't |
| 00:24.23 | DrodoEmpire | I really don't care either way, even if you *choosed* to be gay its not my problem and it isn't hurting anybody |
| 00:24.56 | DrodoEmpire | *But I'd think at least some |
| 00:25.10 | Hachiman | My political compass; Economic Left/Right: -5.38, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79 |
| 00:25.12 | DrodoEmpire | *chose to be gay |
| 00:25.21 | DrodoEmpire | My English is going to shit |
| 00:25.25 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 00:25.36 | Wormy__ | Hachi: You can link us the compass |
| 00:25.45 | Hachiman | https://www.politicalcompass.org/chart?ec=-5.38&soc=-3.79 |
| 00:26.00 | Wormy__ | Gosh you are more left than me wtf |
| 00:26.02 | DrodoEmpire | That's a lot more left and a lot more libertarian |
| 00:26.06 | DrodoEmpire | Than I predicted |
| 00:26.07 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 00:26.20 | DrodoEmpire | Still, also welcome to the club (sorta) |
| 00:26.25 | Hachiman | I'm guessing this is a bad thing |
| 00:26.33 | DrodoEmpire | Not essentially |
| 00:26.48 | DrodoEmpire | Just surprised |
| 00:27.32 | Technobliterator | Oh, that's neat |
| 00:27.43 | Technobliterator | You're slightly more left than me, but less libertarian |
| 00:27.44 | Technobliterator | :o |
| 00:28.15 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: What was your prediction hur |
| 00:28.19 | Liquid_Ink | http://i.imgur.com/kaDcNT6.png I went and found my old one. |
| 00:28.34 | DrodoEmpire | Moderately authoritarian and centrist |
| 00:29.18 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.25 | Wormy__ | she's a punk though |
| 00:30.02 | Wormy__ | I'll do my political compass, its usually centre-leftr and closer to libertarianism |
| 00:30.07 | Wormy__ | *again |
| 00:33.05 | DrodoEmpire | https://i.gyazo.com/c847f0f28c310f2391453b31f604a1f6.png - Mine, just done now |
| 00:33.45 | DrodoEmpire | (This makes me an arch-conservative at my school btw <.<) |
| 00:34.11 | DrodoEmpire | (I play it up a little to piss my really lefty teachers off but still) |
| 00:34.13 | Monet_2 | That's conservative for your class? |
| 00:34.24 | Technobliterator | Oh, you're a tad more to the right than me |
| 00:34.26 | DrodoEmpire | For my more humanities-focused classes yeah >.< |
| 00:34.32 | NeonPanda | I'm basically in the same spot |
| 00:34.40 | NeonPanda | disappointed I'm not more on the authoritarian side |
| 00:34.54 | DrodoEmpire | Uhh |
| 00:34.55 | DrodoEmpire | k |
| 00:35.18 | Monet_2 | Introduce your friends to me lol. |
| 00:35.24 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:35.38 | DrodoEmpire | Some of them (the loud ones) are sorta SJW-ish |
| 00:35.43 | NeonPanda | Drodo immediately responds as if I'd just said I was joining the Neo-Nazi Party :P |
| 00:35.55 | DrodoEmpire | No, I just dislike authoritarianism |
| 00:35.56 | Monet_2 | If you're an arch-conservative they might mistake me for the reincarnation of Oliver Cromwell or something. |
| 00:36.06 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry...? |
| 00:36.16 | NeonPanda | dw just taking the piss out of you :P |
| 00:36.23 | DrodoEmpire | kk |
| 00:36.31 | DrodoEmpire | Monet_2 hur |
| 00:36.50 | Hachiman | Hope not because Cromwell was a dick |
| 00:36.53 | Technobliterator | Oliver Cromwell? |
| 00:37.08 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, I really figure most people, most of my friends anyway, fall around where I do, a little to the left or right or up or down but right around there |
| 00:37.09 | NeonPanda | Australian parliament is just such a joke right now that a good old fashioned autocracy would do wonders |
| 00:37.17 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: Guy who defeated Charles I for a Protestant England |
| 00:37.21 | NeonPanda | a benevolent one of course, but an autocracy nonetheless |
| 00:37.22 | Technobliterator | Ah |
| 00:37.33 | DrodoEmpire | You say that now, wait a while Panda :p |
| 00:37.40 | Liquid_Ink | Panda: Autocracy is what they want. We give them that and we'll be fucked to high hell. |
| 00:37.51 | Hachiman | And then Charles II came along and became everyone's favourite monarch |
| 00:37.57 | NeonPanda | I didn't say give THEM autocratic control, that'd be retarded |
| 00:37.58 | DrodoEmpire | I'm just vocal about my political opinions >.< |
| 00:38.19 | DrodoEmpire | Give any jackoff absolute power and he'll be efficient |
| 00:38.19 | NeonPanda | they probably can't tie their own shoelaces together without an overpaid personal assistant |
| 00:38.21 | Hachiman | Charles II is a fucking monarchic god and the Draconid Imperium could do with someone like that to shake things off |
| 00:38.30 | Hachiman | *up |
| 00:38.36 | DrodoEmpire | But then you assume he'll be good at doing stuff that's *in your interests* |
| 00:38.36 | Liquid_Ink | Giving anyone autocratic control is a failure. |
| 00:38.57 | DrodoEmpire | That's the inherent selfishness of authoritarianism, you assume the autocrat'll work for you or in a way you like |
| 00:39.00 | DrodoEmpire | So you don't worry |
| 00:40.19 | Technobliterator | To me, monarchy is inherently bad, which is why I dislike Britain having one, but I tolerate it because it brings in more money |
| 00:40.26 | Liquid_Ink | Politicians need to be legally bound to their campaign promised, and punished if it turns out they're lying out of their arse. |
| 00:40.56 | Monet_2 | We have the good kind of monarchy: One that doesn't really do anything that's beyond ceremony and advice. |
| 00:41.31 | Liquid_Ink | Their ability to veto nuclear weapon use is nifty as well. |
| 00:41.45 | Technobliterator | I agree with LI |
| 00:42.07 | Monet_2 | The queen may be an unelected old lady, but Liz in particular is a smart old lady. |
| 00:42.07 | Technobliterator | I think manifestos should be legally binding, and lying should be illegal |
| 00:42.18 | Charles_Murray | PFFFFF |
| 00:42.23 | Technobliterator | Of course, but I still dislike how the Queen basically did nothing to earn her power |
| 00:42.23 | DrodoEmpire | Ohh dear |
| 00:42.25 | Charles_Murray | It put me dead in the center |
| 00:42.34 | DrodoEmpire | The Political Scientist is **TRIGGERED** |
| 00:42.48 | DrodoEmpire | I think monarchy had its place when government was too damn inefficient and primitive to oppress people |
| 00:42.56 | DrodoEmpire | And too damn inefficient and primitive to give everyone a say |
| 00:43.02 | Monet_2 | What about manifestos that promise things that were thought possible during election season but then turn out not to be so when the party takesp ower? |
| 00:43.14 | NeonPanda | and when you had the odd monarch who actually cared |
| 00:43.28 | Charles_Murray | It's a pretty useless test when it comes to figuring out people's opinions and comparing them xD |
| 00:43.28 | NeonPanda | Genghis had a pretty decent political platform when you think about it :P |
| 00:43.29 | DrodoEmpire | Wouldn't work now, a single man can rule a country with an iron fist easily |
| 00:44.28 | Technobliterator | Dead in the center or authoritarianism/libertarianism, or left/right politics? |
| 00:44.36 | Charles_Murray | Both |
| 00:44.39 | Monet_2 | Also I get the impression that a manifesto - like any good CV - has to sell the party. |
| 00:44.48 | Wormy__ | Some of these questions are hard "There are no savage and civilised peoples; there are only different cultures." I kind of agree and don't agree. I think some cultures have more open societies than others, but none are infallible. Yet "civilisation" and "savage" are pretty poor terms |
| 00:45.12 | Monet_2 | Pretty loaded terms. |
| 00:45.31 | DrodoEmpire | Eh, I said strongly disagree to that |
| 00:45.45 | Technobliterator | Ah |
| 00:45.51 | Technobliterator | So, basically you're completely even handed |
| 00:45.51 | Technobliterator | :| |
| 00:45.59 | DrodoEmpire | Call me a racist xenophobe, I wouldn't trade western liberal civilization for anything |
| 00:46.13 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 00:46.22 | Wormy__ | I think I choose "disagree" out of my above opinion |
| 00:46.34 | Monet_2 | Possibly in part because Charles is studying political science as a degree course. |
| 00:46.43 | Hachiman | So you're saying Eastern authoritarian civilisation is savage :p |
| 00:46.51 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, I look at it mostly through human rights and the like- how cultures treat their people |
| 00:46.57 | Technobliterator | I imagine he didn't put strongly agree or disagree on anything |
| 00:47.01 | DrodoEmpire | Not "savage" as a binary choice |
| 00:47.01 | Technobliterator | Just agree or disagree |
| 00:47.20 | Monet_2 | Hachiman: Yeah from the sounds of it the question asks whether you're a cosmopolitan or an imperialist. |
| 00:47.24 | Hachiman | >non-binary choice |
| 00:47.27 | Hachiman | LEFTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY |
| 00:47.37 | DrodoEmpire | NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUANCCCCCCCCED |
| 00:47.38 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 00:47.44 | Wormy__ | What if you are neither? |
| 00:47.53 | DrodoEmpire | But not quite as good, when the treatment of people is you're big consideration as it is with me |
| 00:48.02 | DrodoEmpire | *your big |
| 00:48.23 | Wormy__ | As I said, I believe there is a distinction of closed and open society and both can be savage sometimes but open societies are better at self-correction |
| 00:48.33 | Hachiman | Monet_2: I'm fine with either so long as you're not a "fascist" like Star Trek's Federation is according to MatPat |
| 00:48.55 | DrodoEmpire | wormy__: Fair enough |
| 00:49.01 | DrodoEmpire | I'd agree |
| 00:49.02 | Technobliterator | I respect anyone's political views other than basically hard authoritarianism |
| 00:49.06 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:49.14 | Technobliterator | On both sides of the spectrum |
| 00:49.32 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I can sit down with an evangelical arch-conservative and have a productive conversation |
| 00:49.40 | Monet_2 | Hachiman: Well it is kind of. "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" is a utilitarian mantra. |
| 00:49.41 | DrodoEmpire | I could sit down with a communist and do the same |
| 00:49.47 | DrodoEmpire | Ultimately everyone has valid points |
| 00:50.02 | Hachiman | Also Drodo could you give me a bit of an abridged summary as to why you thought I'd be centrist authoritarian :p |
| 00:50.08 | DrodoEmpire | And I really think whether you're authoritarian or libertarian's far more important at the end of the day |
| 00:50.22 | DrodoEmpire | Just some of the things you say from time to time |
| 00:50.27 | Hachiman | Such as? |
| 00:50.39 | Technobliterator | "ban everyone raaaaaaaar" |
| 00:50.39 | Technobliterator | ? |
| 00:50.41 | DrodoEmpire | Dissidents should be silenced |
| 00:50.58 | DrodoEmpire | Some users are just duumb (which can be true, for sure >.<) |
| 00:51.00 | Hachiman | Okay, I didn't mean dissidents like how you think I meant |
| 00:51.11 | Monet_2 | "ban the dumb people" |
| 00:51.21 | DrodoEmpire | People with inheretable diseases shouldn't reproduce |
| 00:51.22 | DrodoEmpire | etc.\ |
| 00:51.43 | Technobliterator | I don't know where you picked centrist from, though |
| 00:51.45 | DrodoEmpire | (Well no in Hachi's defense he's more nuanced about that- its an individual basis and he doesn't mention banning all that often >.<) |
| 00:51.57 | DrodoEmpire | hachi never screamed right or left wing to me |
| 00:52.04 | Technobliterator | Mhm, fair |
| 00:52.11 | DrodoEmpire | I figured maybe a modern persuasion one way or the other |
| 00:52.58 | Hachiman | Dumb people can still contribute to humanity |
| 00:53.06 | Hachiman | Somehow, but they can |
| 00:53.13 | Technobliterator | Oh wait, I lied. There's one other political point of view I unequivocally despise |
| 00:53.16 | Technobliterator | Climate change denial |
| 00:53.24 | Hachiman | >implying it exists |
| 00:53.31 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 00:53.35 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 00:53.36 | Hachiman | Next thing you'll say that the Holocaust happened |
| 00:53.37 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I'm always iffy when people deny climate change |
| 00:53.38 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 00:53.39 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:53.42 | NeonPanda | our shadow environment minister is in denial |
| 00:53.57 | Hachiman | If the Holocaust actually happened, how come there are still Jews, eh |
| 00:53.59 | DrodoEmpire | Or that the Jews *don't* run the banks and grow horns behind their ears <.< |
| 00:54.14 | Technobliterator | Or that 9/11 was not an inside job? |
| 00:54.18 | Monet_2 | NeonPanda: Good thing they're in the shadow cabinet then |
| 00:54.18 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:54.25 | Hachiman | Also it was the Poles, not the Nazis, who set up the death camps |
| 00:54.29 | Technobliterator | Or that the Obama administration doesn't want yerr guns? |
| 00:54.32 | Technobliterator | (am I doing this right :o) |
| 00:54.37 | NeonPanda | Techno: mostly |
| 00:54.37 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:54.44 | Technobliterator | Okay, what else |
| 00:55.12 | Technobliterator | Or that Infowars is not a legitimate news site? |
| 00:55.28 | Wormy__ | Ooh so I've moved three squares to the left https://www.politicalcompass.org/chart?ec=-5.63&soc=-5.59 |
| 00:55.30 | DrodoEmpire | InfoWars is a wonky thing |
| 00:55.30 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 00:55.36 | DrodoEmpire | I like one or two of the people there |
| 00:55.37 | Wormy__ | Since last time |
| 00:55.41 | DrodoEmpire | Then the rest is nutty |
| 00:55.50 | Hachiman | >implying homosexuality isn't a choice and can't be helped |
| 00:55.51 | Technobliterator | Honestly, I can't really stand Infowars, but that's just me |
| 00:56.10 | DrodoEmpire | A bit like TYT, I like Dave Rubin and I like Kyle Kulinski but the rest I'm ambivalent about |
| 00:56.15 | Technobliterator | Yeah, I get that |
| 00:56.16 | Wormy__ | I find it funny to watch |
| 00:56.32 | Technobliterator | But I can't really stand Infowars |
| 00:56.35 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 00:56.42 | Hachiman | One thing that Drodo will probably not like about what I put on that quiz is that I agreed to the death sentence being an option for serious crimes |
| 00:56.47 | DrodoEmpire | Eh |
| 00:56.48 | DrodoEmpire | No |
| 00:56.51 | DrodoEmpire | I agreed to that |
| 00:56.53 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 00:57.00 | Technobliterator | I strongly disagreed to that :o |
| 00:57.05 | DrodoEmpire | I think serial rapists and mass murderers and the like should be shot |
| 00:57.07 | DrodoEmpire | Or hanged |
| 00:57.09 | Monet_2 | The issue might be *how* serious |
| 00:57.11 | DrodoEmpire | Or something to that effect |
| 00:57.22 | Liquid_Ink | Reabilitation all the way. |
| 00:57.25 | Technobliterator | ^ |
| 00:57.28 | Monet_2 | High treason or serial rape? I'm okay with lethal injection. |
| 00:57.32 | DrodoEmpire | As much as possible, yes |
| 00:57.34 | Technobliterator | Statistically, we get the wrong people |
| 00:57.45 | DrodoEmpire | But some people don't deserve it |
| 00:57.48 | DrodoEmpire | Either way |
| 00:57.57 | Technobliterator | Or we get people with serious mental health issues who should be given help |
| 00:57.58 | Liquid_Ink | Yeah, Australia's last execution was of an innocent man. |
| 00:58.08 | Monet_2 | Sometimes you get jerks who just can't change. |
| 00:58.11 | DrodoEmpire | I think the death penalty should be an option, but only in the most serious cases beyond a reasonable doubt |
| 00:58.19 | Technobliterator | That's when you lock them up for life |
| 00:58.37 | Monet_2 | I find life imprisonment is counter-intuitive. |
| 00:58.37 | Technobliterator | If they never in their life in prison see the error in their ways, so be it |
| 00:58.46 | DrodoEmpire | Otherwise I find most sentences to be too harsh, with little focus on rehabilitation |
| 00:58.54 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.06 | Hachiman | Paedophilia, mass murder, serial murder, serial rape, *maybe* animal cruelty |
| 00:59.08 | Wormy__ | *they |
| 00:59.17 | NeonPanda | I'd rather they be dead and no longer a drain on resources |
| 00:59.21 | DrodoEmpire | You shouldn't be locked away for twenty years because you stole, even if you stole a *lot* |
| 00:59.21 | Technobliterator | The criminal justice system should not be about vengeance, it should be about reform |
| 00:59.33 | Monet_2 | Execution might be more merciful than life imprisonment. |
| 00:59.34 | Technobliterator | Yeah, but Panda, putting people on death row costs more |
| 01:00.08 | Hachiman | Also, just to clarify, paedophiles who *act* on their paedophilia and actually intend sexual advances or harm on a child |
| 01:00.16 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 01:00.21 | NeonPanda | more than keeping them in prison for decades? doubtful |
| 01:00.42 | Hachiman | Paedophiles who remain passive don't really deserve to be prosecuted considering they've not done anything wrong |
| 01:00.44 | Technobliterator | Statistically, all the research and bureaucracy involved in it is a greater drain on resources |
| 01:00.46 | DrodoEmpire | I think they should be sent to prison and rehabilitated, but repeat offenders who refuse to change might warrant life imprisonment |
| 01:00.55 | Monet_2 | With life imprisonment you condemn a person to be forever contained in a depressing prison, taking up space and costing food, water and electricity simply because execution or exile is deplorable. |
| 01:01.07 | DrodoEmpire | Oh |
| 01:01.08 | DrodoEmpire | Exile |
| 01:01.09 | Technobliterator | Monet_2, this is why you do not make the prison depressing |
| 01:01.11 | DrodoEmpire | I never thought of that |
| 01:01.12 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 01:01.13 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.22 | Liquid_Ink | Exile just makes them someone elses problem. |
| 01:01.30 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah no shit |
| 01:01.31 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 01:01.34 | Charles_Murray | So I'm playing a German battleship on World of Warships, a WWII naval combat game thing |
| 01:01.35 | Technobliterator | The prison should be about reform |
| 01:01.41 | Liquid_Ink | Wormy: THat's vengeance, not fixing a problem. |
| 01:01.46 | DrodoEmpire | Pretty medieval Wormy |
| 01:01.48 | DrodoEmpire | But... |
| 01:01.50 | DrodoEmpire | Could work |
| 01:01.52 | Charles_Murray | I drive this huge honkin piece of metal around to the back to the enemy team |
| 01:01.54 | Liquid_Ink | The goal of the justice system should be fixing people. |
| 01:01.54 | Charles_Murray | Show up |
| 01:01.57 | Charles_Murray | "GUTEN TAG" |
| 01:01.59 | Technobliterator | Yes |
| 01:02.05 | Hachiman | Wormy__: Most places make it a legal requirement for sexual offenders such as paedophiles to publicly announce they're offences to whatever community they move into or something like that |
| 01:02.08 | Wormy__ | I harbour some medieval sentiments. Bring back the stocks! |
| 01:02.08 | DrodoEmpire | Though yes its pretty punitive |
| 01:02.10 | Charles_Murray | Proceed to utterly destroy two cruisers and a battleship in quick succession xD |
| 01:02.22 | Monet_2 | Technobliterator: It shouldn't be a comfortable place though. These people acted against the law so why treat them with comfort when utility is satisfying enough? |
| 01:02.24 | Hachiman | *their offences |
| 01:02.26 | Wormy__ | Hachiman: That's all I mean, yes |
| 01:02.28 | Technobliterator | Nope |
| 01:02.41 | Technobliterator | Statistically, nicer prisons result in fewer repeat offenders |
| 01:02.50 | Hachiman | Also, making prisons a desirable or comfortable place encourages committing crime |
| 01:03.02 | Technobliterator | The statistics do not agree with you once again |
| 01:03.10 | DrodoEmpire | Really, we should throw everyone back in to the Tower of London and stuff |
| 01:03.18 | Monet_2 | Nicer prisons are also more expensive to maintain. |
| 01:03.18 | Technobliterator | If you put someone in a shithole with other shitholes, that'll mess with their heads |
| 01:03.21 | Wormy__ | Liquid_Ink: People will only be fixed if they accept to be fixed |
| 01:03.23 | Technobliterator | They'll commit another crime |
| 01:03.34 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 01:03.39 | Hachiman | Why do you think so many homeless people make it into prison - in prison, they get free shelter, food, water, healthcare |
| 01:03.41 | Technobliterator | If you put someone in a place with better care, they'll see the error of their ways by the end of ti |
| 01:03.47 | Hachiman | Stuff paid for by taxpayers |
| 01:03.50 | Wormy__ | Liquid_Ink: Otherwise the only way is to wipe out the abberation from their mind. Which is... murder |
| 01:04.06 | Technobliterator | Hachiman, this is a separate issue, and is why homeless people should be given a shelter |
| 01:04.23 | Liquid_Ink | ^ |
| 01:04.23 | Technobliterator | And poverty should be reduced |
| 01:04.38 | Liquid_Ink | Yes: reducing poverty will reduce crime. |
| 01:04.38 | Technobliterator | If not outright removed |
| 01:04.42 | DrodoEmpire | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjjPlEW9bRM I like George Carlin's solution |
| 01:04.43 | Technobliterator | Exactly |
| 01:04.43 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 01:04.46 | Liquid_Ink | Also, increasing education. |
| 01:04.57 | Technobliterator | People in poverty feel like they have nothing to lose |
| 01:05.06 | DrodoEmpire | It'd balance the budget for sure |
| 01:05.07 | Technobliterator | So they are pushed to a breaking point which makes them criminals |
| 01:05.18 | Liquid_Ink | If someone can't afford to buy what they need to live, then they'll forcibly take it. |
| 01:05.34 | Hachiman | I just don't think you should be treated to a desirable, comfortable place when you're in there for stabbing a woman 40 times in the face and stomping on her baby's head or something |
| 01:05.38 | Technobliterator | If you spend more on keeping poverty low, and less on policing, then the budget is balanced, and you're being humane |
| 01:05.52 | Technobliterator | Hachiman, because if you get put in a shithole, you come out an even worse shithole? |
| 01:05.57 | Technobliterator | It messes with your head |
| 01:06.07 | Technobliterator | And you feel more like society rejects you |
| 01:06.08 | Monet_2 | That's where good health and mental care come in |
| 01:06.11 | Technobliterator | So you commit another crime |
| 01:06.22 | Monet_2 | Not all prisons are of the supermax-hell-on-earth variety. |
| 01:06.26 | Technobliterator | Once again, this is backed up statistically |
| 01:06.37 | Wormy__ | Hachiman: I understand the feel but I fear the consequences of bringing back execution |
| 01:06.42 | Technobliterator | Nicer prisons have far fewer repeat offenders |
| 01:06.45 | Hachiman | "Congratulations for killing these law-abiding, innocent citizens; have free shit and enjoy your stay with a well-being better off than what most most middle-class families can afford" |
| 01:06.51 | Monet_2 | And some criminals become repeat offenders due to cultural dissonance. Prison is unchanging - the outside world is not. |
| 01:07.10 | Wormy__ | Simple, make prisons hard, and they are often hard places |
| 01:07.12 | Technobliterator | It's not a congratulation, it's a rehabilitation |
| 01:07.52 | Hachiman | Do you think rehabilitation always works - that no one ever went through rehabilitation and never killed anyone ever again |
| 01:07.56 | Liquid_Ink | You would actually have to work with a psychologist or something like that to fix your murderous ways. |
| 01:07.56 | Technobliterator | http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12?r=US&IR=T |
| 01:08.02 | Technobliterator | I strongly encourage you to read that |
| 01:08.04 | Hachiman | There's always that chance for outliers just like execution |
| 01:08.20 | Technobliterator | Specifically this part |
| 01:08.35 | Technobliterator | "On top of that, when criminals in Norway leave prison, they stay out. It has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world at 20%. The US has one of the highest: 76.6% of prisoners are re-arrested within five years." |
| 01:08.39 | Liquid_Ink | If they fail rehabilitation, then forced labour is always an option. |
| 01:08.46 | Wormy__ | ^ |
| 01:09.06 | Wormy__ | That way their suffering can give back to society |
| 01:09.09 | Technobliterator | Because going to a shithole prison messes with your head |
| 01:09.21 | Technobliterator | You begin to despise authority more |
| 01:09.26 | Technobliterator | You begin to despise society |
| 01:09.28 | Monet_2 | "Norway/Denmark/Finland is so perfect, why can't we all be like the Nordics?" Sorry for the emotional response but yeah, this kind of shit is expensive. |
| 01:09.30 | Technobliterator | You feel like you have nothing to lose |
| 01:09.41 | Technobliterator | So you commit another crime |
| 01:09.45 | Technobliterator | Monet_2, so? |
| 01:10.00 | Technobliterator | It's less expensive in the long run, once again, statistically proven |
| 01:10.07 | Hachiman | It's expensive and I don't think the public will much be up for funding prisons even more to *treat* people who have committed serious crimes even more |
| 01:10.21 | Technobliterator | Then the public showed be shown the numbers |
| 01:10.27 | Technobliterator | I used to have the same opinion as you guys |
| 01:10.29 | Monet_2 | Norway has five million people and a GDP per capita of $67,000pp |
| 01:10.31 | Technobliterator | Until I saw the numbers |
| 01:10.36 | Technobliterator | So? |
| 01:10.40 | Liquid_Ink | And should stop being whipped up into panic and hysteria by the media |
| 01:10.50 | Liquid_Ink | And conservative education. |
| 01:10.51 | Wormy__ | However, I think that once someone has been shown to have murderous tendencies and have acted on them, they are a danger to society and by releasing them on trust, the prison system is endagering society |
| 01:10.51 | Hachiman | "I used to have the same opinion until numbers and statistics of a certain small region in the world" |
| 01:10.57 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 01:11.00 | Monet_2 | That pictured prison cell looks like a bloody hotel room. |
| 01:11.12 | Technobliterator | And? |
| 01:11.28 | Technobliterator | Do you deny what the numbers suggest? |
| 01:11.47 | Hachiman | THE NUMBERS, MONET |
| 01:11.50 | Monet_2 | I deny the situation could be applied anywhere |
| 01:11.57 | Technobliterator | Why? |
| 01:12.03 | Hachiman | IT'S THE NUMBERS, THINGS THAT CANNOT BE FABRICATED, MISCALCULATED, ETC |
| 01:12.08 | Monet_2 | Well I jsut said. |
| 01:12.09 | Hachiman | NUMBERS ARE INFALLIBLE |
| 01:12.25 | Hachiman | AND BECAUSE THE NORDIC COUNTRIES DID IT, IT'S GONNA WORK FOR EVERYONE ELSE EVER |
| 01:12.26 | Technobliterator | Yeah, Hachi, numbers aren't disputable |
| 01:12.41 | DrodoEmpire | He has a point |
| 01:12.43 | Liquid_Ink | Oh no, CAPITAL LETTERS, our one weakness. |
| 01:12.44 | Technobliterator | I'm sorry that you want to live in denial |
| 01:12.48 | Monet_2 | Norway has less than a tenth the population of the UK but GDP per person is 2.2 times what it is in the UK |
| 01:12.50 | DrodoEmpire | Some things don't always transfer over |
| 01:12.56 | DrodoEmpire | Now all of you shut the fuck up |
| 01:12.59 | NeonPanda | I can say for sure that it wouldn't work in outback Australia, cos we have pretty lame prisons and we already have a problem of some aspects of society preferring prison to non-prison |
| 01:13.00 | DrodoEmpire | Because its getting heated |
| 01:13.09 | Technobliterator | What that suggests is that Norway has less income inequality |
| 01:13.16 | DrodoEmpire | Go to off-topic if you want to continue getting sour at one another |
| 01:13.19 | Technobliterator | Not that its people are suddenly richer |
| 01:13.21 | NeonPanda | also yeh everyone bein dum so stop |
| 01:13.22 | Liquid_Ink | The UK would have a higher GDP if the government would crack down on rich tax dodgers. |
| 01:13.25 | Technobliterator | Drodo, you need to calm down :| |
| 01:13.28 | DrodoEmpire | Go to off-topic |
| 01:13.29 | Technobliterator | This isn't heated |
| 01:13.35 | Monet_2 | Liquid_Ink: No it wouldn't. |
| 01:13.36 | DrodoEmpire | hachi seems heated |
| 01:13.37 | Technobliterator | The only one getting heated is you |
| 01:13.38 | Hachiman | I was partially joking |
| 01:13.40 | Wormy__ | Its also not disrupting anything-else |
| 01:13.47 | Technobliterator | He wasn't, he was being sarcastic |
| 01:14.06 | Monet_2 | Andyeah Hachi was very clearly pulling your leg with the caps. |
| 01:14.06 | Hachiman | I rarely if ever go all-caps to display genuine anger |
| 01:14.06 | DrodoEmpire | Alright- fine |
| 01:14.24 | Hachiman | But those are basically abridgements of how I feel about the situation |
| 01:14.29 | DrodoEmpire | Don't get carried away then because I can see this going awry |
| 01:14.31 | Hachiman | It's not gonna transfer everywhere |
| 01:14.46 | Hachiman | What works for some places doesn't work for others |
| 01:14.49 | Technobliterator | I don't see why it inherently can't |
| 01:15.01 | DrodoEmpire | Population and social conditions factor in |
| 01:15.04 | Hachiman | Like how UK gun control wouldn't work for US gun control |
| 01:15.07 | Monet_2 | Well for one Norway has a fairly different culture to England. |
| 01:15.22 | Technobliterator | I don't believe the population size is a significant factor |
| 01:15.28 | Technobliterator | But cultural reasons is fair |
| 01:15.44 | Hachiman | Would it be reasonable to say that class also has a factor in this |
| 01:15.51 | DrodoEmpire | yes |
| 01:15.54 | Technobliterator | It would |
| 01:15.55 | Hachiman | Because I feel there's a lot more class divide in the UK than in Norway |
| 01:15.56 | Monet_2 | Norway has less people, with smaller cities, more people living in towns and suburbs or in the rural areas. |
| 01:16.00 | Technobliterator | Unfortunately, yeah |
| 01:16.04 | Technobliterator | Far too much income inequality |
| 01:16.09 | Technobliterator | (Thanks, Thatcher!) |
| 01:16.12 | Wormy__ | There's only one way to knowm and that is to trial the Norewiegian model |
| 01:16.16 | Liquid_Ink | Class divides are a social problem, not a cultural feature |
| 01:16.35 | Technobliterator | Yup |
| 01:16.37 | Hachiman | I wasn't saying they were cultural, unless you live in India |
| 01:16.38 | Monet_2 | Norway IS a wealthier country - it's an oil state. |
| 01:16.39 | Wormy__ | I agree |
| 01:16.45 | Hachiman | Because then class divide IS a cultural thing from what I know |
| 01:16.52 | Technobliterator | The GDP disagrees with you that it's a wealthier country |
| 01:17.39 | Monet_2 | Gross GDP yes |
| 01:17.39 | Monet_2 | GDP per capita? No, Norway is wealthier. |
| 01:17.39 | Technobliterator | It doesn't |
| 01:17.39 | Liquid_Ink | Sorry Techno but I'm going to have to concied that Norway is a wealthy nation. |
| 01:17.39 | Technobliterator | It suggests less uncome inequality |
| 01:17.39 | Monet_2 | Norway makes a shitton of money off North Sea oil. |
| 01:17.47 | DrodoEmpire | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4XahX7cuU8 - speaking of Leafy |
| 01:17.53 | Hachiman | Saw that |
| 01:17.55 | DrodoEmpire | idabbbztvxdddddd |
| 01:17.57 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 01:18.00 | Hachiman | Idubbbz |
| 01:18.19 | Hachiman | Content Cop - I'M GAY |
| 01:18.25 | DrodoEmpire | Can't wait for the THE IDUBBBZ RANT |
| 01:18.27 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 01:18.31 | Hachiman | hur |
| 01:18.35 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 01:18.40 | Technobliterator | But anyway, I think we can agree to disagree |
| 01:19.10 | Hachiman | I'll have to disagree to agreeing to disagree |
| 01:19.10 | Liquid_Ink | I need to be going now, so long! |
| 01:19.32 | Monet_2 | If you wish. I don't mind concluding. |
| 01:19.37 | Technobliterator | I think that a softer criminal justice system is not only more humane, but statistically shown to be more effective. If you guys disagree and think punishments should be harder, that's totally fair, I used to think the same myself, so I understand why you think that. |
| 01:19.52 | Hachiman | Humane treatment for inhumane individuals <3 |
| 01:19.54 | DrodoEmpire | Also I dunno, might be a controversial opinion |
| 01:20.08 | Wormy__ | Liquid: bye |
| 01:20.11 | Technobliterator | To make said individuals more humane :o |
| 01:20.13 | DrodoEmpire | But I really like how idubbbz uses Otis Macdonald's music |
| 01:20.18 | DrodoEmpire | I like his stuff |
| 01:20.34 | Hachiman | I'm not sure who Otis Macdonald actually is so |
| 01:20.40 | DrodoEmpire | Public domain music |
| 01:20.46 | Hachiman | Oh |
| 01:20.49 | DrodoEmpire | the song you hear at the beginning of Content Cop namely |
| 01:20.59 | Hachiman | Well I mean, it's a safe option right now |
| 01:20.59 | DrodoEmpire | *namely, is one of his tracks |
| 01:21.30 | Hachiman | I was wondering why I kept hearing the same, or similar, tracks all over the place |
| 01:21.42 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 01:22.24 | DrodoEmpire | I say controversial as I know some people don't like that sorta thing |
| 01:22.25 | Monet_2 | I'm all for improving psychological care and rehabilitation in prisons. But the system must still provide suitable consequences for breaking the law. |
| 01:22.26 | DrodoEmpire | Also |
| 01:22.34 | Technobliterator | I think that's fair |
| 01:22.45 | DrodoEmpire | Its almost been a year since that "Lone Digger" music video came out |
| 01:22.55 | Hachiman | I've not watched it yet |
| 01:22.59 | DrodoEmpire | Which is... sorta funny, doesn't feel that long |
| 01:23.10 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, it was infamous for a while when it came out >.< |
| 01:23.25 | DrodoEmpire | As a fan of Caravan Palace it was... a surprise... o.O |
| 01:23.49 | DrodoEmpire | A pretty shockingly violent/adult music video coming from an otherwise bouncy, inoffensive swing group |
| 01:24.13 | Hachiman | Huh |
| 01:24.40 | DrodoEmpire | I mean the previous music video was a cartoon of a cute robot dancing about Paris, for reference |
| 01:25.00 | DrodoEmpire | (afaik) |
| 01:27.34 | Wormy__ | I don't really like the trend of youtubers Leafy is a part of. Their channels exist soley by poking fun out of other channels, but usually smaller ones that get crushed by hundreds if not thousands of haters from their toxic community. |
| 01:28.00 | DrodoEmpire | Eh |
| 01:28.14 | DrodoEmpire | Most've them have cleaned up their act a lot, and I don't mind either way |
| 01:28.33 | DrodoEmpire | So long as there's no explicit call to harassment or threats its fair game |
| 01:29.20 | Wormy__ | I don't mind poking fun out of bigger channels, especially commercial ones, or people who make ridiculous mistakes |
| 01:29.31 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe its because I'm young and still in school and shit and not as mature |
| 01:29.35 | DrodoEmpire | But meh |
| 01:29.47 | DrodoEmpire | I think if you do something dumb your subcount doesn't matter |
| 01:29.57 | Wormy__ | They're allowed to do it as "fair game", but it doesn't make it right or make Youtube a vibrant place for everyone. |
| 01:30.09 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe so |
| 01:30.28 | DrodoEmpire | and their criticisms aren't exactly intellectual or based in argument' |
| 01:31.01 | DrodoEmpire | But like I said, they're allowed to do it and so long as they don't intentionally sic their fans on people I think its acceptable |
| 01:31.27 | DrodoEmpire | Distasteful sure |
| 01:31.30 | Hachiman | Most commentary channels do clarify "don't send hate to these people" |
| 01:31.33 | Wormy__ | Leafy was stupid enough to make fun of a guy with autism and depression; and didn't stop to think "ah this is actually a person, maybe they can't help being the way they are. Maybe my viewers are not mature enough to treat this guy like a human being" |
| 01:31.42 | DrodoEmpire | But its not like public mockery is a new thing |
| 01:32.00 | DrodoEmpire | A person isn't responsible for their fanbase |
| 01:32.09 | DrodoEmpire | And, yeah, Leafy fucked up there |
| 01:32.09 | Wormy__ | Leafy did apologise at least, but let that be a lesson to him |
| 01:32.20 | DrodoEmpire | But he apologised and he cleaned up his act a lot |
| 01:32.26 | DrodoEmpire | So stop using it as an argument point |
| 01:32.26 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 01:32.59 | DrodoEmpire | Like I said, distasteful sure, but not new and not nearly as detrimental as people like to say it is |
| 01:33.01 | Wormy__ | I'm not using it as an "argument point", because I'm not arguing. I'm saying how it is. |
| 01:33.29 | DrodoEmpire | You're telling it as it *were*, not as it is. |
| 01:34.19 | Wormy__ | Also I watched his apology video, about half of it returned the focus to him and how bad he felt about h3h3 calling him out for it ("who was perhaps a bit too mean, but wasn't this video meant to be about Tommy", I thought to myself) |
| 01:36.40 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno, I feel sometimes its hard to know who's "good" in the community >.< |
| 01:36.51 | DrodoEmpire | Pyro's inoffensive and nice, I like him |
| 01:36.57 | DrodoEmpire | Pretty sure everybody does |
| 01:37.07 | DrodoEmpire | Leafy's controversial |
| 01:37.15 | DrodoEmpire | Keem's... keem |
| 01:37.37 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno, its an unstable but popular group of people |
| 01:39.08 | DrodoEmpire | Mostly because all of them don't really settle eachother's differences well because 1) there's no incentive to and 2) they aren't *that* bright :p |
| 01:39.25 | DrodoEmpire | admittedlt |
| 01:39.27 | DrodoEmpire | *y |
| 01:43.45 | Wormy__ | lol |
| 01:45.26 | DrodoEmpire | Hm, doesn't like how Leafy uses transition cards |
| 01:45.31 | DrodoEmpire | I like how he does it >.< |
| 01:45.38 | DrodoEmpire | Especially the music choice |
| 01:45.44 | DrodoEmpire | (idubbbz doesn't that is) |
| 01:46.40 | DrodoEmpire | Says they're too long, which is perhaps true |
| 01:46.45 | DrodoEmpire | I never really noticed though >.< |
| 01:47.02 | Hachiman | I did kinda notice when I used to watch Leafy |
| 01:47.08 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 01:47.14 | Hachiman | His transitions are long in comparison to Pyro's |
| 01:47.18 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe its more I didn't mind due to the music selection |
| 01:47.28 | DrodoEmpire | But I suppose its irritating when pointed out |
| 01:48.01 | DrodoEmpire | I've considered doing youtube |
| 01:48.25 | DrodoEmpire | I might still, I have an okay idea for a first commentary video |
| 01:48.45 | DrodoEmpire | Basically just talking about Paradox's DLC policy which everyone gives a free pass despite being cancerous |
| 01:49.25 | Hachiman | hur |
| 01:50.08 | DrodoEmpire | I mean its like CoD level bad almost |
| 01:50.19 | DrodoEmpire | EUIV + all the DLC's well over a hundred dollars |
| 01:50.24 | DrodoEmpire | I think close to 200$ |
| 01:50.57 | DrodoEmpire | I mean at least their updates add a ton of free content, but all the good shit and game-changing features are packaged in 16.00-25.00 dollar DLC |
| 01:51.13 | DrodoEmpire | And then toss on a unit model back for an extra three because fuck you we know you'll buy it |
| 01:51.30 | DrodoEmpire | Then a music pack from some swedish band no one cares about |
| 01:51.36 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 01:51.54 | DrodoEmpire | *unit model pack |
| 02:17.22 | Monet_2 | goodnight |
| 02:50.18 | DrodoEmpire | I like how its a viable strategy in BF1 to have an armour car full of swordsmen roll up behind the enemy, dismount, and sabre them |
| 02:50.24 | DrodoEmpire | *armoured car |
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| 10:04.05 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: We found a guy who was stealing our stuff for his fiction universe recently |
| 10:04.14 | Tybusen | Oh boy |
| 10:04.39 | ImpyDroid | http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Dravidan_Divinarium |
| 10:05.56 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Bragary_Intergalactic_Allied_Federation_(The_Next_Renaissance) Behold |
| 10:06.54 | ImpyDroid | http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Benelux_Galactic_Commonwealth AGC EXCEPT DUTCH |
| 10:07.05 | ImpyDroid | Dino is going to enjoy it |
| 10:08.06 | Tybusen | Hoo boy I recognized one of the paragraphs on the BIAF article |
| 10:08.31 | Tybusen | Nearly word for word stolen from the TIAF's Members page |
| 10:08.55 | Tybusen | I don't know whether to feel insulted or honored that someone considered the TIAF worth plagarizing |
| 10:10.08 | ImpyDroid | I think it is the latter, but the guy still should mention us somewhere |
| 10:10.17 | ImpyDroid | Also http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Grand_Central_Coalition_of_Planets_(The_Next_Renaissance) LOOK AT THESE PICTURES |
| 10:10.22 | ImpyDroid | LOOK AT THIS FIRST MINISTER |
| 10:11.47 | Tybusen | Sugoi |
| 10:11.51 | Monet | I recognise the city. |
| 10:12.21 | Monet | Disney's lawyers will mobilise. |
| 10:12.47 | Tybusen | I wonder if this counts as fanfiction of our fanfiction |
| 10:13.00 | ImpyDroid | We proposed to this guy that he move to our fictionverse |
| 10:13.22 | ImpyDroid | That would actually be a boon for you as he will be another person in your timebelt |
| 10:14.16 | Tybusen | I wonder if, as a joke, we can create a Realities Altered story that's just a link to all his stuff |
| 10:15.09 | Tybusen | http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Universal_Alliance_of_Nations He didn't even try on this one |
| 10:16.43 | Monet | I have yet to find any that sound like the DI. |
| 10:18.27 | Tybusen | http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Draconis_Combine_(The_Next_Renaissance) |
| 10:19.01 | Tybusen | Though it's only in name, culturally they aren't anything like the Dracs |
| 10:19.34 | ImpyDroid | http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Birobidzan_Galactic_Commonwealth_(The_Next_Renaissance) |
| 10:19.36 | Ghelae | The page does mention that the name is taken from somewhere completely different. |
| 10:19.38 | Monet | Yeah this is more of a Battletech copy |
| 10:19.39 | ImpyDroid | Birobidzhan |
| 10:19.53 | ImpyDroid | I am surprised someone even knows about that city |
| 10:20.13 | Ghelae | There's no Apalos, which is entirely unsurprising because they're one of the rare cases where you can't just swap species to human and get a functioning nation. |
| 10:20.20 | ImpyDroid | It is literally a tiny backwater in the middle of nowhere in Asian Russia |
| 10:20.28 | Tybusen | http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/East_Asian_Coalition_(The_Next_Renaissance)) |
| 10:20.41 | Tybusen | Somehow it's more developed than my EAC |
| 10:20.53 | ImpyDroid | The flag is cool |
| 10:20.59 | Monet | We found one that sounded like it could be the DI but was more based on the Britannic Imperium from Code Geass. |
| 10:21.01 | ImpyDroid | We should borrow it with some changes |
| 10:22.17 | Tybusen | Nah, looking at it, it's a little different than what I had in mind for our EAC |
| 10:23.23 | Tybusen | Wikiverse EAC is more a combination of modern PRC with Confucian China, though at a local scale there's tons of influences from the EAC constituent cultures |
| 10:23.54 | *** join/#sporewiki Wormy_ (5f937199@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.147.113.153) |
| 10:24.01 | ImpyDroid | Gonna give kudos to this guy, he is surprisingly well-read |
| 10:24.02 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 10:24.08 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 10:24.10 | Ghelae | All this reminds me, Tybusen: we were making a unified timeline for SporeWiki humans, and I noticed that the POTATO page mentions them as taking control of Alpha Centauri in the 24th century, which given that Alpha Centauri has traditionally been a Radeon system probably makes the largest contradiction I found. :P |
| 10:24.12 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:24.13 | ImpyDroid | I mean who in the world knows about Birobidzhan |
| 10:24.15 | ImpyDroid | Hi Wormy |
| 10:24.57 | Tybusen | Ghelae: Yeah, that's a problem, I don't know if the Sanctuarium history had been updated to its modern version when I wrote POTATO's history |
| 10:25.19 | Tybusen | Wormy_: We're talking about that fellow who's made fanfiction of our fanfiction |
| 10:25.37 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@host-101-156-66-217.spbmts.ru) |
| 10:25.56 | Ghelae | I don't think it had; in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Radeon control of Alpha Centauri wasn't properly canon at the time. |
| 10:26.20 | Tybusen | I think when I wrote it, the Radeon control of Alpha Centauri was still considered a gag bit |
| 10:26.35 | Ghelae | Yeah. |
| 10:26.44 | Tybusen | It was still a military outpost with superweapons pointed at Earth to fry all those "perverts" |
| 10:26.48 | Wormy_ | Apparently, the guy has a history of doing it on conwiki |
| 10:27.23 | ImpyDroid | I think it could be an interesting footnote in history still |
| 10:27.43 | Tybusen | Wormy_: Yeah, while I'm honored that our work is considered worth plagarizing, it's the act of plagarism that still bothers me |
| 10:28.31 | Wormy_ | It bothers me, too |
| 10:28.36 | Tybusen | Ghelae: There's a lot of things I have to sort out with POTATO anyways, as you can tell most of it was written when the Divided Earth was still getting off the ground and no one was taking it seriously yet |
| 10:28.50 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.55 | ImpyDroid | "Upon discovering Sanctuarium holds great amounts of oil, and is ruled by a non-democratic government, POTATO endeavoured to liberate the planet from its oppressors. After a brief series of drone strikes, Sanctuarian military responded by saturation bombing the American Midwest." |
| 10:28.55 | Tybusen | FFS I made Brock Obama the president of POTATO |
| 10:29.33 | Tybusen | Wormy_: Right, I could tell right away that was bullshit, I know how people like him think |
| 10:29.54 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.55 | Tybusen | They'll copy as long as they get away with it, then apologize when they get caught and assure it won't happen again |
| 10:30.55 | Tybusen | With the belief that it's better to get caught and ask for forgiveness rather than not do it at all |
| 10:30.59 | ImpyDroid | "The Magisters were distressed when it was revealed that they did not manage to destroy anything valuable, but POTATO understood the message and a peace treaty was signed." |
| 10:31.27 | Wormy_ | One day he will do it to some authors who will be far less forgiving. |
| 10:31.30 | Tybusen | ImpyDroid: Honestly I'd be fine with that |
| 10:31.59 | Ghelae | There is now one bit of credit on the universe's main page: http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/The_Next_Renaissance#Inspiration |
| 10:32.15 | Tybusen | Wormy_: I'm tempted to be unforgiving towards him to teach him a lesson but he really didn't plagiarize my stuff that much |
| 10:32.46 | Tybusen | Ghelae: That one sentence seems like a bit of understatement |
| 10:33.06 | Wormy_ | I pesonally don't mind as long as I'm credited, but only because it spreads the influence of my fiction further afield |
| 10:33.36 | Wormy_ | Yeah he should reference every article really |
| 10:33.48 | Ghelae | Indeed. |
| 10:33.55 | Tybusen | Right, this is the first time I've seen our work referenced outside of SporeWiki contexts |
| 10:34.17 | Tybusen | But he really should say which fictions inspired which of his works |
| 10:34.23 | Wormy_ | I've seen our work copied on Omniverse wiki before |
| 10:34.55 | Wormy_ | And I've seen expies of Xho's work |
| 10:35.04 | Wormy_ | Oh and we had a guy on Spore doing the same |
| 10:35.25 | Tybusen | Honestly, I guess I'm fine with stuff getting copied as long as credit is given or if we manage to find them and tell them to give us credit |
| 10:35.44 | Wormy_ | What if they do a crappy representation of your fiction? |
| 10:36.03 | Tybusen | Well then that's their interpretation I guess |
| 10:36.05 | Ghelae | At least one of my pictures has been used, but not only was the person who did it willing to credit me, Wikia ensures the uploader of an image is automatically credited whenever it's used. |
| 10:36.25 | Wormy_ | Well, it could negatively rep your fiction to a new audience |
| 10:36.57 | Tybusen | Eh but I can't really police content |
| 10:37.03 | Tybusen | *content quality |
| 10:38.10 | Tybusen | And let's not mince words here, I don't think our stuff is getting ripped off or copied anywhere big enough that a cheap knockoff would damage my writing cred |
| 10:39.37 | Tybusen | And not every knockoff of our works will be as obvious as this Conworld guy's, at best you'll see passing similarities in names or concepts if they're good enough at transforming it into their own work |
| 10:40.04 | Tybusen | At which point it's their own thing and not really a knockoff that damages the "brand" so to speak |
| 10:42.34 | *** join/#sporewiki Hachiman (5aff325c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.255.50.92) |
| 10:42.36 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 10:42.42 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 10:42.42 | ImpyDroid | It is not like our verse is such a large popular thing anyway |
| 10:42.43 | Monet | hi |
| 10:42.49 | Hachiman | What's this? |
| 10:43.03 | Tybusen | Hachiman: http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Yamato_Intersolar_Commune look who it is |
| 10:43.14 | ImpyDroid | Hachi saw that |
| 10:43.16 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 10:43.48 | ImpyDroid | There was also the "Brood of Innstadt" |
| 10:43.50 | ImpyDroid | >Innstadt |
| 10:44.00 | Hachiman | *Insstadt |
| 10:44.05 | Hachiman | *Innsstadt |
| 10:44.33 | Hachiman | Based on his content and his profile picture and such, I'm gonna guess that this Animaniax guy is a weeb |
| 10:44.44 | Hachiman | we dunt need his sort on our wiki thx |
| 10:44.51 | ImpyDroid | Like Innsmouth, except instead of you turning into a fish monster, you turn into a German stormtrooper |
| 10:45.35 | ImpyDroid | https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innstadt It is an actual thing |
| 10:45.39 | Hachiman | Boy, imagine what Lovecraft would have wrote if he had lived to see WW2 |
| 10:45.48 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 10:45.48 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: But Tyb is also a weeb |
| 10:45.54 | ImpyDroid | Tyb the Weeb |
| 10:46.04 | Hachiman | Yes my point exactly |
| 10:46.05 | Tybusen | Sugoi |
| 10:46.22 | Tybusen | http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Grand_Central_Coalition_of_Planets_(The_Next_Renaissance)) Look at the first minister |
| 10:46.54 | Hachiman | Ahahaha |
| 10:47.11 | ImpyDroid | I literally imagine their news |
| 10:47.20 | ImpyDroid | Cute anime boys everywhere |
| 10:47.26 | Hachiman | I mean, I know there is magic in his world |
| 10:47.54 | Hachiman | I just can't get my head around why Japanese people are ruling multiple non-Japanese states |
| 10:49.12 | Tybusen | kono sekai wa nihon no sekai desu |
| 10:49.16 | Tybusen | nihon banzai |
| 10:49.24 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Japan - lehappymerchant.jpg |
| 10:49.29 | Hachiman | stahp watchin dem gook tunes |
| 10:49.40 | ImpyDroid | DOKDO URIEYOOOOO |
| 10:49.51 | Monet | Hachiman: Lovecraft did live long enough to have possibly heard about the Nuremberg rallies in '33 and '37. |
| 10:50.29 | Hachiman | I honestly wonder how Lovecraft would have felt regarding the Nazis |
| 10:50.49 | Hachiman | I know that he was less inclined towards his Anglocentric views and racism in his later life |
| 10:51.52 | Tybusen | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tybusen_Intergalactic_Allied_Federation/Military/Main_Strike_Fleet This page finally gets a revamp after nearly five goddamn years |
| 10:52.37 | Tybusen | Pls give quick read if possible |
| 10:53.18 | Hachiman | >I'm an Asian boy. >I'm in love of Europe (Everything...well, most of them, actually (｡â¥â¿â¥ï½¡)), Japan, and SEA, to some extend (#^.^#). I'm SEA-born, anyway. >On the contrary, I hate (literary) PRC, Russia, United States, Australia and most of Western Asian & North African nations (the governments & their systems, that is. Not the people & cultures). |
| 10:53.24 | Hachiman | This Animaniax guy |
| 10:53.28 | Hachiman | Also I'll give a read in a bit |
| 10:53.50 | Tybusen | I only finished the intro paragraphs so far so it'll be a pretty short read |
| 10:54.01 | ImpyDroid | What does SEA even mean |
| 10:54.03 | ImpyDroid | Southeast ASIA? |
| 10:54.06 | Tybusen | South East Asia |
| 10:54.28 | Tybusen | i.e. probably Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, etc. |
| 10:54.30 | ImpyDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.42 | Hachiman | "What I Don't Like: Eurocentrism" |
| 10:55.08 | ImpyDroid | What would be wrong with that tho |
| 10:55.24 | Tybusen | > hates Eurocentrism |
| 10:55.25 | Hachiman | He just said he's in love with Europe |
| 10:55.27 | Tybusen | > loves Europe |
| 10:55.47 | ImpyDroid | He likes Europe but does not think it should be the sole focus of study |
| 10:55.49 | ImpyDroid | Makes sense |
| 10:55.51 | Tybusen | > Europe belongs to an exclusive club of three regions of the world that he doesn't hate |
| 10:56.00 | Hachiman | hur |
| 10:56.01 | Hachiman | Also, "Religions (most of them)" is on that list of things he doesn't like |
| 10:56.09 | ImpyDroid | Fedora intensifies |
| 10:56.10 | Tybusen | So brave |
| 10:57.01 | Hachiman | I don't really judge people who don't like religion unless they go out of their way to parade the fact; Oluap's antitheist for example |
| 10:57.14 | ImpyDroid | I like our atmosphere TBH |
| 10:57.20 | Tybusen | Well yeah |
| 10:57.28 | ImpyDroid | Everybody has their own beliefs but nobody talks about them |
| 10:57.44 | ImpyDroid | with the possible exception of Valader |
| 10:57.47 | Tybusen | The only people I judge for their beliefs are the ones who get obnoxiously in your face about it |
| 10:57.51 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 10:57.52 | ImpyDroid | And Aeo and Irsk obviously but they are long gone |
| 10:58.04 | Tybusen | i.e. militant atheists, church militants, etc. |
| 10:58.05 | Hachiman | It's why I don't like a lot of atheists even though I myself am one |
| 10:58.40 | ImpyDroid | Atheists with superiority complices are bad |
| 10:59.25 | Hachiman | Superiority complexes are bad in general |
| 10:59.30 | Tybusen | Atheists who feel a need to parade their atheism around and wear it as a badge of "enlightenment" are the reason why more moderate atheists aren't taken seriously |
| 10:59.31 | Hachiman | I mean, look at Mush |
| 11:00.17 | ImpyDroid | Mush's superiority complex does not rest on his beliefs |
| 11:00.27 | Tybusen | "I see your Xhodocto and I raise you one Ravenrii Sue" ~Mush, probably |
| 11:00.29 | *** join/#sporewiki Jepardi (591b4d42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.27.77.66) |
| 11:00.30 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 11:00.40 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 11:02.00 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:02.32 | Monet | hello |
| 11:03.41 | Hachiman | Hello |
| 11:03.55 | DrodoSleep | test |
| 11:04.15 | ImpyDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.20 | Hachiman | Tybusen: Well, at least Animaniax admits to being "kind-of a hardcore type-B otaku" |
| 11:04.32 | Wormy_ | They come in categories? |
| 11:04.36 | Wormy_ | Jebus |
| 11:04.38 | Hachiman | Whatever hardcore type-B is supposed to mean |
| 11:04.44 | Hachiman | I don't know if it works like diabetes or what |
| 11:04.48 | Tybusen | I don't know what "type-B otaku" is supposed to mean |
| 11:04.55 | ImpyDroid | He was so overzealous but then again he had his best intentions in mind |
| 11:05.05 | ImpyDroid | Remember when he tried to convert us? |
| 11:05.10 | Wormy_ | Maybe he has type B blood |
| 11:05.15 | Hachiman | I'm not familiar with Valader other than he's Mexican or something |
| 11:05.15 | Tybusen | Valader was a proseltyzer? |
| 11:05.39 | ImpyDroid | He literally worked as a Catholic pastor IRL |
| 11:05.42 | Tybusen | My only memories of Valader is him being a inactive veteran who seemed kinda chill and made the Krassio |
| 11:05.46 | ImpyDroid | And at times showed that to us |
| 11:05.53 | Tybusen | I don't think I actually spoke to him ever |
| 11:06.08 | Hachiman | Oh |
| 11:06.24 | Hachiman | Anyone know what Christian sect he was in? |
| 11:06.39 | Hachiman | Catholicism, Protestantism, Orthodox, etc |
| 11:06.40 | Tybusen | If he was Mexican, almost certainly Catholic I would think |
| 11:06.45 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 11:06.48 | Hachiman | Right |
| 11:07.23 | ImpyDroid | He is Catholic yeah |
| 11:07.45 | Tybusen | General rule of thumb is that if their native language is Spanish, they'll likely be Catholic if they're religious |
| 11:07.56 | ImpyDroid | TBH I kind of like Catholics |
| 11:08.05 | ImpyDroid | They are like the coolest and the chillest Christians ever |
| 11:08.09 | Wormy_ | Valader was cool, and he was a Xeelee Sequence fan so that gets an extra +1 from me |
| 11:08.41 | Tybusen | Yeah, Catholics are pretty cool as long as you don't get talking about things like abortion or other hot button things |
| 11:08.45 | ImpyDroid | That is it |
| 11:09.00 | Tybusen | I was raised Catholic so I'm also a little biased |
| 11:09.01 | ImpyDroid | Valader was as religious as Aeo but he was more... chill about it I think |
| 11:09.07 | ImpyDroid | Not as condescending |
| 11:09.10 | Hachiman | Aeo was a strange case |
| 11:09.17 | Hachiman | Considering he was a religious zealot but also gay |
| 11:09.24 | DrodoEmpire | Aeo's actually an atheist now I do believe |
| 11:09.27 | ImpyDroid | He fervently looked for faith in his life |
| 11:09.34 | Hachiman | Fucking how did we do that to him |
| 11:09.43 | DrodoEmpire | shrugs |
| 11:09.49 | Tybusen | it's the atheist agenda |
| 11:09.51 | ImpyDroid | He is like IRL Claude Frollo |
| 11:09.55 | Wormy_ | Aeo had actually renounced his radically religious belief but retained its moral codes |
| 11:10.03 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 11:10.30 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: From your Filipino mom, right? |
| 11:10.36 | Tybusen | Yep |
| 11:10.59 | ImpyDroid | For some reason I imagine her looking more like you |
| 11:11.06 | Tybusen | And the Filipino side of my family is by far the festive half of my family |
| 11:11.14 | Wormy_ | I argued aboit objective morality with him at the time from a point of relativism, then a short time later started agreeing with moral objectivity but for different reasons >_< |
| 11:11.15 | ImpyDroid | You and your dad looked like completely different |
| 11:11.29 | Tybusen | Really? Everyone always says me and my dad look alike |
| 11:11.46 | Hachiman | Isn't your dad white? |
| 11:11.48 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: Same |
| 11:11.58 | Tybusen | My dad is second-generation Chinese |
| 11:12.01 | Hachiman | Oh |
| 11:12.09 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: He is like a skinny Chinese man of average height |
| 11:12.17 | Wormy_ | I could have a productive discussion with him now |
| 11:12.21 | DrodoEmpire | I was once a relativist (shudders) |
| 11:12.22 | DrodoEmpire | Same |
| 11:12.24 | Wormy_ | *have a more |
| 11:12.25 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 11:12.44 | Hachiman | What's bad about being a relativist? |
| 11:12.47 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: It is more about complexion and body shape dunno |
| 11:13.01 | ImpyDroid | He is lankier than you basically |
| 11:13.01 | Hachiman | To be fair I don't even really know what relativism is |
| 11:13.28 | Tybusen | Well he's definitely lighter-skinned than me, I probably get tan skin from my Filipino half |
| 11:13.29 | DrodoEmpire | I need to go soon |
| 11:13.30 | ImpyDroid | Facial features wise you do look alike |
| 11:13.30 | DrodoEmpire | But |
| 11:13.31 | Wormy_ | However, as a critical rationalist, I feel one accept a bit of fallibility in any field from science to morality, rather than absolutely knowing all there is to say |
| 11:13.47 | Tybusen | I do have a stockier build though |
| 11:14.10 | ImpyDroid | I think I have the body plan of my mother and the face and personality of my father |
| 11:14.23 | ImpyDroid | My dad is stocky and kind of short |
| 11:14.28 | DrodoEmpire | Relativism has a nasty way of refusing to judge people and their actions equally, often excusing things as "culture" |
| 11:14.31 | Tybusen | I wouldn't say my dad is lanky but he's not as stocky as me |
| 11:14.37 | ImpyDroid | My mother is pretty tall though |
| 11:14.38 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 11:14.51 | DrodoEmpire | i.e excusing FGM because its an "integral part of xyz culture" |
| 11:15.01 | Hachiman | ech |
| 11:15.02 | DrodoEmpire | I don't care, you're causing immense suffering to many women |
| 11:15.05 | DrodoEmpire | So its gonna stop |
| 11:15.05 | Wormy_ | Relativism politically doesn't protect the tolerant from the intolerant |
| 11:15.07 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: that is ew indeed |
| 11:15.49 | DrodoEmpire | Basically, I hate cultural relativism (especially when applied to human rights) because its essentially moral cowardice |
| 11:16.33 | DrodoEmpire | And looks at things as collectives (the Chinese culture for example) as opposed to the individual (the Chinese woman in rural China who's forced in to an arranged marriage) |
| 11:16.34 | ImpyDroid | You basically accept that you are willing to close your eyes on evil |
| 11:16.44 | DrodoEmpire | So long as its foreign, yes |
| 11:16.57 | Wormy_ | It denies everyone from the possibility of improving their moral knowledge, if nobody believes it has any true reality |
| 11:16.58 | DrodoEmpire | That's what it does |
| 11:17.34 | ImpyDroid | Then again people often criticise foreign stuff without understanding it fully |
| 11:17.58 | Tybusen | Yeah, moral relativism is pretty much used as "nah I don't feel like thinking critically about this" |
| 11:18.04 | DrodoEmpire | So, yes, I'm willing to "oppress" Chinese culture- that part of it in particular- if it means the Chinese woman in foreign China can now have a career, marry who she wants, and have a happy life |
| 11:18.25 | DrodoEmpire | *in rural china |
| 11:18.31 | DrodoEmpire | my bad, naturally its foreign >.< |
| 11:18.39 | Hachiman | ech, women's rights |
| 11:18.44 | Tybusen | Though, at the same time, there is something to be said about respecting the values of other cultures; though if said values are causing oppression I can't see them as defensible |
| 11:18.46 | ImpyDroid | Admittedly universalism is very hard to implement nowadays |
| 11:18.47 | DrodoEmpire | Human rights in general |
| 11:18.59 | Wormy_ | But oppress in a tolerant way that permits openness and criticism between cultures |
| 11:19.03 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: >ech, women's rights |
| 11:19.03 | DrodoEmpire | Well yeah I have no issue with the idea of other cultures |
| 11:19.21 | DrodoEmpire | I like foreign art and entertainment and find studying other cultures fascinating |
| 11:19.43 | DrodoEmpire | But sometimes there is just objectively something very wrong |
| 11:19.46 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vswdcG3UrYc/VEka89lLAgI/AAAAAAAAB5E/HD8MmjHelvw/s1600/unnamed.png >ech, women's rights |
| 11:20.01 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, school |
| 11:20.02 | Tybusen | You don't want to fall into the complacency of moral relativism, but you also shouldn't become a moral imperialist |
| 11:20.18 | Hachiman | Holy shit, I was just kidding |
| 11:20.30 | ImpyDroid | > https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrFbnUiYhPuovdpk0-JsRPfVwD82FKCqRLAhjavN8-1LPbwkko4A ech, women's rights |
| 11:20.46 | ImpyDroid | You are not kidding about stuff like this |
| 11:20.59 | ImpyDroid | No offense |
| 11:21.16 | Wormy_ | Yes, and that in my opinion can be helped by accepting a little fallibility one one's part. One can make mistakes and admit they were wrong |
| 11:21.42 | Tybusen | Would you look at the time, 4:20 AM has come and gone already |
| 11:21.43 | Wormy_ | but that self-correction is hard in a very intolerant culture |
| 11:21.48 | Tybusen | I need to sleep |
| 11:22.01 | Wormy_ | Goodnight, you did the same I did last night |
| 11:22.01 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: G'night |
| 11:22.12 | ImpyDroid | Also I did not manage to tell it to you yesterday |
| 11:22.25 | ImpyDroid | 9/11 never forget |
| 11:22.37 | Tybusen | what's 9/11 |
| 11:22.42 | Hachiman | 4/20 never forgetti mom's spaghetti |
| 11:22.54 | ImpyDroid | As in steel beams |
| 11:22.59 | ImpyDroid | Jet fuel |
| 11:23.07 | ImpyDroid | Inside job |
| 11:23.29 | Monet | "never forget the extremists who created a world of fear" |
| 11:23.38 | Tybusen | man, i knew god was being hard on job but why did he have to stuff him full of steel and jet fuel |
| 11:24.16 | Tybusen | And with that I depart |
| 11:24.18 | Tybusen | Adieu |
| 11:29.51 | Wormy_ | I think Aeo created The Great Redeamer or who ever he was called to actually criticise some of his old beliefs |
| 11:30.36 | Hachiman | Redeemer was still kinda retarded |
| 11:31.44 | Wormy_ | He was very intrigued when I compared eternal bliss to hell because it removed the free will of individuals and the bliss itself would not be allowed to improve |
| 11:32.31 | Wormy_ | He was a bit OP, in my opinion |
| 11:33.59 | Hachiman | I like the fact that Hachi probably makes a better angel that whatever Aeo came up with |
| 11:34.39 | Hachiman | Well, not *better*, but different and far more relatable and popular |
| 11:34.50 | Monet | It seems quite common these days that "don't worry be happy" is almost being enforced. |
| 11:35.00 | Hachiman | Happiness industry bois |
| 11:35.05 | Monet | Ayy |
| 11:35.40 | Monet | Silicon valley and its open-plan fun zone workspaces you'll be spending 80 hours a week in. |
| 11:35.53 | Wormy_ | Have you met your happiness quota today? |
| 11:36.58 | Hachiman | Drugs that forcibly produce serotonin to make you feel and think differently while you're suffering emotional and psychological issues and keep you barely stable enough to work |
| 11:37.05 | Monet | Feeling down? Pop down some Prozac. |
| 11:38.14 | Wormy_ | Making a reference to the Blarite government that got obsessed with scoring students, workers and services by number without thinking about the cause of such numbers. |
| 11:40.19 | Monet | I worry about Adderall. |
| 11:40.27 | Monet | Or whatever it's called. |
| 11:40.57 | Hachiman | Yeah |
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| 11:42.30 | Monet | Hi |
| 11:43.44 | Monet | We might be seeing the return of sweatshops in the West. Only instead of working on sewing machines for peanuts, people are working at computers for high-five or six-figures a year. |
| 11:44.58 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 11:47.22 | Wormy_ | Office work is misery. My mum was a cleaner for a while in a factory that just closed. She felt sorry for them and felt freer despite having a more shitty and less well paid job |
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| 11:48.24 | Wormy_ | Office work is misery. My mum was a cleaner for a while in a factory that just closed. She felt sorry for them and felt freer despite having a more shitty and earning the minimum wage |
| 11:49.10 | Monet_2 | Actually that reminds me of something I see endlessly o nQ&A sites. |
| 11:49.48 | Wormy_ | They wouldn't talk to each each, they walled themselves in surrounded by personal items and snacks. They had no future prospects, some working there decades, and very little break |
| 11:49.50 | Monet_2 | "I'm freshly an adult. How do I become a mutli-millionaire by 25/30?" |
| 11:51.55 | Monet_2 | The answer from people who do make millions is usually "work insanely hard" "be a leader not a follower" "sacrifice a lot" "be prepared for mountains" |
| 11:52.14 | Wormy_ | "I'm freshly an adult. I've been given everything all my life. I have a thousand friends on Facebook, and I expect to get rich and popular very quickly" |
| 11:55.01 | Monet_2 | Yeah kids these days want everything now. |
| 11:57.45 | Wormy_ | They think they can do everything they want, but because they've never had to work hard for what they want nor were ever criticised by an education system obsessed in scores, they get a complete shock when their own responsibility is handed to them |
| 11:58.30 | Wormy_ | So they picture adult life and the world around them in a simplified way |
| 11:59.38 | Monet_2 | One answer I found had a nice addendum to these questions "How much crap will I need to endure through and what crap do I Need to go through make it" |
| 12:01.31 | Wormy_ | I was talking to this one lecturer who said 20 years ago his students (studying journalism and photography) would travel the world on their own initiative. Now they struggle to sign up for trips or find clients. All except one student last year who took himself to Calais to meet refugees personally (and he's only 16) |
| 12:02.25 | Wormy_ | Hopefully employers will recognise him as better than his lazy fellow students |
| 12:03.21 | Monet_2 | This might be verging on controversial opinion but I wonder if some of the Occupy protesters were disgruntled youths who feel forever excluded form earning £120,000/year by 25 |
| 12:03.54 | Wormy_ | That's plausible |
| 12:03.55 | Hachiman | Well, why *shouldn't* young people want to earn that much by 25? |
| 12:03.56 | Monet_2 | There are people on zero-hours contracts who are understandably upset. |
| 12:04.15 | Hachiman | Young people are treated like shit in regards to employment nowadays |
| 12:04.29 | Monet_2 | I know. |
| 12:04.38 | Wormy_ | You're right, they should be able to. But they're angry because reality didn't live up to the expectations they were promised and felt entitled to. |
| 12:05.17 | Hachiman | No, they're angry because they're accused of being lazy and self-entitled in an environment where work is more difficult to find than when it was when their parents were their age |
| 12:05.26 | Monet_2 | But one possible issues is that there is a scale of salary progression - the older you are, the more experience you might have and the more you might earn. |
| 12:06.24 | Wormy_ | I n my opinion, they're only lazy if they don't take opportunities or have an initiative to |
| 12:06.47 | Wormy_ | Because actually, there's loads of opportunity for young people that never existed before |
| 12:07.16 | Wormy_ | Colleges are filled with students from all classes for example |
| 12:07.29 | Hachiman | Education is better than ever, I'll not deny |
| 12:07.38 | Hachiman | But that doesn't mean employment is the same |
| 12:07.50 | Wormy_ | But I'll agree that its unfair to blame the youth for the country's economic problems |
| 12:09.04 | Monet_2 | I don't quite know how common it is for secondary schools to hold work experience programs. |
| 12:09.38 | Hachiman | The rate of education has risen while the employment rate for young people has decreased exponentially, with employers actively looking for either older people, youths willing to work on zero hour contracts, or foreigners |
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| 12:10.12 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 12:10.18 | Wormy_ | I'm moaning at people who don't take opportunities, partly because they've not been brought up or educated in a way that makes that important |
| 12:10.21 | Hachiman | And that's not pinning blame on the foreigners, but there is a bias towards them in many UK industries due to the fact many migrants are willing to work for less than what young people expect |
| 12:11.03 | Monet_2 | A lot of migrants have a good level of education or prior experience |
| 12:11.19 | Hachiman | There is also that |
| 12:12.20 | Hachiman | Wormy_: Also I hope you realise that there are less opportunities for young people nowadays in the UK than there were for our parents when they were our age |
| 12:12.25 | Monet_2 | But there is also culture of exploitation on foreign workers. The narrative of the super-hard-working Pole doesn't always include that said Pole burns himself out in a short space of time. |
| 12:13.42 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: In terms of job prospects, living costs and debt, maybe. But believe me, growing up in a working class environment in the 70's and 80's was *a lot* worse than today, believe me |
| 12:14.09 | Wormy_ | Young people had no opportunities or help whatsoever and had to fight for it |
| 12:14.54 | Monet_2 | As I mentioned, schools these days have work experience programs. |
| 12:15.20 | Wormy_ | Schools into those days told kids freom low-income families that they shouldn't pursue their dreams |
| 12:15.22 | Monet_2 | Which help students experience the employment cycle for the first time. |
| 12:17.36 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: And actually its a sad fact that there is such problems today as high living costs and massive student debt, and low employment opportunities. That is the failure of the nation over the laest 20-30 years |
| 12:18.19 | Hachiman | Yes, a failure of the generation that came before and *not* the apparent "self-entitlement" you feel that youths have today |
| 12:18.32 | Wormy_ | I'm not really attacking young people, I'm attacking a system that failed them despite promising them everything |
| 12:18.44 | Monet_2 | I said at the beginning that there's likely *some* who are disgruntled they're not earning £120,000 by 25. |
| 12:18.55 | Wormy_ | Yes, a "self-entitlement" caused by the previous generation |
| 12:18.59 | Monet_2 | but feel they want everything now |
| 12:19.31 | Monet_2 | I'm gonna go neutral here and say that both sides are at fault. |
| 12:19.42 | Hachiman | And what's wrong with wanting to have something as soon as possible in an age where such possibilities are becoming reality? |
| 12:19.55 | Wormy_ | And once again, I only consider youths self-entitled when they don't take the opportunities they do have, or any kind of initiative |
| 12:20.06 | Monet_2 | Hachiman Complacency perhaps? |
| 12:20.38 | Hachiman | I don't follow, elaborate |
| 12:21.36 | Monet_2 | Though this may be differences in perspective between us. One of the issues with what we could call "Generation Now" is instant gratification dismisses or curls around the value of working to get something. |
| 12:22.28 | Wormy_ | Like the studets I mentioned earlier, very few of them were taking an initiative to get a good grade, because they may well have expected to just write a few essays and a dissertation. And don't tell me they didn't have good opportunities to go out there and make something for themselves. The college literally paid for them to go on a trip, but none of them could be bothered to pay a small deposit |
| 12:22.31 | Monet_2 | At present the £120,000 bracket is occupied mostly by management and mature professionals such as experienced doctors, designers and psychologists. |
| 12:24.27 | Monet_2 | And yeah you get some kids who question why no one wants to hire then when all they have for themselves leaving school are six GCSEs and a certificate of good attendance. |
| 12:25.53 | Hachiman | And you also have people who've worked for around a decade in the education system and going through college and university to come out and feel as if they have wasted their lives because of the lack of opportunity |
| 12:26.05 | Wormy_ | Now sorry, but if people don't take any initiative when opportunities do exist, and then moan about it, it pisses me off |
| 12:27.08 | Wormy_ | It seems we're talking about different kinds of opportunity |
| 12:27.21 | Monet_2 | It's not just secondary school. My course gives its second years the opportunity to gain work experience at an animation studio. There were eight places. But those eight became five by the end of the first project. Then we were given the option to continue: By the end of this summer two worked on the second project. |
| 12:28.01 | Monet_2 | (by became I mean people on the places dropped out ,they weren't arbitrarily reduced) |
| 12:29.13 | Monet_2 | Also consider the possibility there's a fraction of students who are either conditioned or trained for opportunities to come to them. |
| 12:29.15 | Wormy_ | Also the people who couldn't be bothered to go on a trip that would support their studies watched gamers on Twitch every day, and probably spent their finances on clothes and games. |
| 12:30.43 | Monet_2 | I have a poster in my room that lists 26 life lessons. One of them follows as: "If Opportunity doesn't knock, build a door" |
| 12:31.39 | Wormy_ | It is true though there are inequalities so great you'd struggle to build a door. |
| 12:32.31 | Monet_2 | There are, yeah. Some will have an easier time building a door than others. |
| 12:33.30 | Monet_2 | But the value of the message is still there - keep your ear to the ground, make yourself visible. |
| 12:34.13 | Wormy_ | We're also talking about two different kinds of person: Not all youth are lazy, and not all youth have good opportunities to get started in life yet still get called lazy. |
| 12:39.51 | Monet_2 | I prefer to call the 1% bracket something like "the professional bracket." |
| 12:40.42 | Wormy_ | But I think the laziness that does exist has an explanation, and yes, it is the previous generation's fault |
| 12:41.06 | Wormy_ | Maybe it would be fine if society delivered the opportunities necessary |
| 12:41.22 | Monet_2 | I feel that to say a GAME store clerk earning £24,000/year while a GAME regional marketing exec earns £115,000/year isn't completely arbitrary. |
| 12:41.37 | Monet_2 | sorry let me rephrase |
| 12:42.08 | Wormy_ | Instead people are living with their parents longer; getting overburdened with debt; and face a severe lack of job opportunities |
| 12:42.17 | Monet_2 | I feel that to say a GAME store clerk earning £24,000/year while a GAME regional marketing exec earns £115,000/year is unfair disregards a few considerations as to *why* that exec is earning 4x as much. |
| 12:42.23 | Wormy_ | and partly the recession has to do with that |
| 12:45.01 | Wormy_ | The question I would ask is, what barriers are there for the game store clerk to move up the chain or get a better job. And that therein lies a deep problem |
| 12:45.48 | Monet_2 | Without knowing the clerk personally, a couple of answers would be opportunity and his own skills. |
| 12:46.10 | Monet_2 | To be an executive requires leadership and management skills. |
| 12:47.38 | Monet_2 | My dad is a senior scientist. But he got to where he is from filling vacancies. But he can't go any higher because if you met him you might see he's just not team management material. |
| 12:48.06 | Wormy_ | Well, even to become manager of the GAME shop. People work in stores all their lives and don't go anywhere |
| 12:48.31 | Monet_2 | While my brother once earned the opportunity to be a store manager at a local Morrisons and he's only 22. His biggest obstacle was he needed a driver's license. |
| 12:49.06 | Wormy_ | That's not his fault I guess, you can't predict something like that |
| 12:50.12 | Hachiman | That's one problem that's gonna stop me from getting anywhere |
| 12:50.15 | Hachiman | Too disabled to drive |
| 12:50.17 | Monet_2 | My dad works as a public-sector scientist, where staff turnover is very high. |
| 12:50.55 | Wormy_ | Hachi: Lets hope the age of driverless cars and taxis will arrive soon |
| 12:52.27 | Monet_2 | There's no easy answer as to how some easily climb the ladder while others struggle. |
| 12:53.51 | Monet_2 | But one thing I've learned: If you're in the professional earning bracket and if you're not living off or inheriting your parents' money, you likely worked hard and made sacrifices. |
| 12:54.41 | Monet_2 | Does anyone remember that Simpsons episode where Homer becomes CEO of Springfield nuclear and discovers his life is all work? |
| 12:55.54 | Wormy_ | And that too, is a paradox. My mum as a cleaner, felt freer in a weird way than the factory office workers |
| 12:55.54 | Monet_2 | Mr Burns gave Homer a tour of a graveyard where he showed all the women he lost because he was too busy working. That's management life. |
| 12:56.43 | Wormy_ | Just because they are earning more it doesn't make them any happier |
| 12:57.14 | Monet_2 | Nor does it mean their life is easier. |
| 12:58.47 | Monet_2 | I recall when Richard Branson fell off his bike the other week, it was one of his inner circle of staff who found him. |
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| 13:00.05 | Monet_2 | He was on his own personal island enjoying an activity he loves and he was within thirty seconds of someone who helped him run his company. |
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| 13:00.24 | Wormy_ | http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/07/02/spoiled-rotten |
| 13:01.43 | Monet_2 | The mega-rich don't work nine-to-five, they perceive their careers as a lifestyle. |
| 13:03.18 | Monet_2 | Some of the best-paying jobs are the ones you live. Not the ones you leave behind when the shift ends. |
| 13:05.48 | Monet_2 | Wormy_: Okay now THESE are the kids I don't like for complaining they're not earning 120,000/year by 25. |
| 13:06.30 | Wormy_ | Yes, they are who I am complaining about as well, and yet it is not their fault |
| 13:07.18 | Monet_2 | In this case, the previous generation are pampering them. Not flaunting how easy it was for them to succeed. |
| 13:07.52 | Wormy_ | Pampering and a lack of constructive education |
| 13:08.09 | Wormy_ | Oh, and of course the economic woes of the 21st century |
| 13:08.42 | Monet_2 | In the case of the girl who asked "how do I eat this?" recall at breakfast at the hotel I stayed at in Birmingham I collected my own silverware, even though there was a set of knives and forks at the table I sat down in. |
| 13:10.16 | Monet_2 | The thing about Occupy was it started in the States. |
| 13:11.11 | Monet_2 | The camp outside St. Pauls was dwarfed by the sea of tents in Times Square. How many of those tents were occupied by disgruntled New York youths who were upset they weren't in the professional earners' club? |
| 13:11.56 | Monet_2 | Hell how many might have jetted over from LA, Boston or Chicago to attend the rally with their fellow disenfranchised? |
| 13:12.13 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 13:12.37 | Monet_2 | There were people who had genuine concerns, no doubt. |
| 13:13.12 | Monet_2 | Perhaps outnumbering the spoiled brats. |
| 13:14.12 | Monet_2 | But this was 2011, the professors leading social justice courses were either teaching or in university education at the time of the movement. |
| 13:14.33 | Wormy_ | Its the same spoiled brats who go around university campuses blocking you from entering the library unless you agree with their revolution. |
| 13:15.26 | Wormy_ | Its the same spoiled brats who go to study controvertial topics and then decide not to attend lectures they don't like |
| 13:17.24 | Wormy_ | I could go on, and on, and on |
| 13:18.22 | drom | Wormy_: I've managed to learn myself about hosting a website with the help of a fellow. |
| 13:18.27 | Monet | But yeah, hard to deny that at least some of the people chanting "we are the 99%" just don't feel like going the extra mile for success. |
| 13:18.32 | drom | It was more complex than I thought |
| 13:18.44 | Monet | or don't realise they should be |
| 13:18.50 | drom | The model itself is simple, but the application is complex. |
| 13:22.15 | drom | Damnit Wormy |
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| 13:24.01 | drom | Ah here you are |
| 13:25.30 | drom | <drom> Wormy_: I've managed to learn myself about hosting a website with the help of a fellow. |
| 13:25.30 | drom | <Monet> But yeah, hard to deny that at least some of the people chanting "we are the 99%" just don't feel like going the extra mile for success. |
| 13:25.30 | drom | <drom> It was more complex than I thought |
| 13:25.30 | drom | <Monet> or don't realise they should be |
| 13:25.30 | drom | <drom> The model itself is simple, but the application is complex |
| 13:25.37 | drom | Just in case you missed those. |
| 13:26.15 | Wormy_ | I did, so thanks |
| 13:26.52 | drom | Anyway, in other news. I've started appreciating Discord |
| 13:26.59 | Wormy_ | I think I'm going to use Firebase since its a low traffic site for my client |
| 13:27.17 | Wormy_ | However, my website is still online so I may not have to |
| 13:27.53 | drom | I have a VPS and registered a domain for it. |
| 13:28.52 | drom | The host is Afterbrust and my domain is registered at Namecheap.com |
| 13:30.10 | Wormy_ | I used Google Drive and Dot TK |
| 13:30.56 | Wormy_ | If I did want to make a high traffic and potentially make money, I'd go down a different route |
| 13:32.03 | drom | the VPS plan I had choosen is about compareable to a Raspberry Pi |
| 13:32.04 | drom | So yeah |
| 13:33.13 | drom | matly.me |
| 13:33.52 | drom | You can also use the LEFT and RIGHT arrow keys to navigate |
| 13:34.12 | drom | Right now I'm sitting down and thinking about the design of it |
| 13:37.50 | Wormy_ | Monet: Just saw your comment on my Steam screenshot |
| 13:38.02 | Wormy_ | The resemblance is strong |
| 13:40.28 | Monet | Yeah. Might have been unintentional but I don't know the development process |
| 13:42.03 | Wormy_ | That planet is basically full of these pearls |
| 13:42.10 | Wormy_ | I'm staying to get rich |
| 13:42.39 | Wormy_ | but the Sentinels will make me fight for them |
| 13:42.55 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/2o8PlN5.png |
| 13:44.47 | Wormy_ | Science fiction of the future must be impossible to predict |
| 13:45.18 | drom | Second guy responded that there might be intergalactic type of sci-fi |
| 13:45.39 | Wormy_ | I think its far more radical |
| 13:46.12 | Wormy_ | Since the world will have changed to project a different image of the normal; coupled with the new scientific knowledge they will have |
| 13:47.38 | Wormy_ | Even now, the idea of humans piloting a starship is pretty antiquated |
| 13:49.09 | Wormy_ | Its far more likely starships will be AI /digitally driven, and possibly very small and compact. A long tapered cylinder would be efficient at punching through the interstellar medium |
| 13:49.47 | Wormy_ | But alas, this idea will become qaint in the future, even if practical |
| 13:51.31 | Wormy_ | And if we lived in a world with such starships, what would be science to them? |
| 13:51.38 | Wormy_ | *science fiction |
| 13:54.29 | drom | alternative reality |
| 13:54.42 | drom | and other fiction based on impossible physics? |
| 13:55.10 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/gorilla-named-harambe-mcharambeface-after-8823715 |
| 13:55.24 | Wormy_ | Maybe, but sci-fi authors do that already |
| 13:55.58 | Wormy_ | drom: http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/ORTHOGONAL/ORTHOGONAL.html |
| 13:57.05 | Wormy_ | Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raft_(novel)#Setting |
| 13:57.38 | Wormy_ | Mind you, these are products of changing the universe's laws rater than inventing some from scratch |
| 13:59.23 | Wormy_ | uugh http://i.imgur.com/mXv0jEi.jpg |
| 13:59.39 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/52CqN |
| 14:02.16 | Wormy_ | I had a go at making some http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Legacy/Multiverse |
| 14:24.29 | Hachiman | You know |
| 14:24.43 | Hachiman | I hope Dune gets a cinematic adaptation again |
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| 14:57.15 | drom | Wormy_: woop woop http://matly.me/ |
| 15:03.05 | Wormy_ | nice |
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| 15:33.45 | Monet | Hello |
| 15:48.44 | Wormy_ | Monet: Babylon 5 had its moments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZfgWdsppVM |
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| 15:51.24 | Imperios | Hello |
| 15:51.32 | Cyrannian | Hi |
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| 15:57.02 | Imperios | Monet Charles_Murray: You guys okay if I put this guy http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Divinarium/Government#Supreme_Autarchs as PAE's minister of economy? |
| 16:02.54 | Monet | He has the credentials. |
| 16:07.50 | Monet | Especially as autarch of Sanctuarum. |
| 16:08.07 | Monet | Unless Charles has anyone that could challenge for the position. |
| 16:08.18 | Wormy_ | Such a hot day in the UK today |
| 16:19.46 | Wormy_ | Imperios: There is a legend of Welsh American Americans... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoc |
| 16:19.58 | Wormy_ | *Native Americans |
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| 16:33.28 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : What are his policy positions when it comes to the economy? |
| 16:33.35 | Imperios | Hm |
| 16:35.10 | Imperios | He'd be push for closer economical integration of all PAE states, greater oversight, and a fight against regional mismanagement of local economies |
| 16:41.49 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : So fewer trade barriers, a lessening of protectionism, and greater central authority to give form to the economy? |
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| 16:42.08 | Wormy_ | Lunarai's Khan's 'pith' helmet is probably this big on a human https://youtu.be/TwArZLW3wbQ?t=4m19s |
| 16:42.10 | Imperios | Indeed |
| 16:42.20 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Yep |
| 16:43.00 | Charles_Murray | What about trade with outside the PAE? |
| 16:52.36 | MonetAway | Actually that reminds me but I'll wait until after Imperios has responded to the questions. |
| 16:56.50 | MonetAway | Imperios |
| 16:56.56 | Imperios | Hmmm |
| 16:58.24 | Imperios | Free trade under PAE protectionism, but giving preference to luxury goods as opposed to essentials |
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| 17:29.34 | Luxor | eeeevening |
| 17:32.24 | MonetAway | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.03 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : Uh that's a contradiction |
| 17:34.14 | Charles_Murray | Free trade is the opposite of protectionism |
| 17:34.50 | Imperios | What I mean is free trade within loosely applied regulations |
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| 17:35.14 | Imperios | The government does not intervene, but sets the rules |
| 17:35.52 | Cyrannian | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/70/ColdWarSkirmish.png/revision/latest?cb=20160913173508 - Upcoming story, also c new Imperial starfighters |
| 17:36.39 | Monet | Imperios: I don't think that's protectionism. |
| 17:36.46 | Imperios | Rightio, my bad |
| 17:36.54 | Luxor | Cyrannian: bootiful |
| 17:38.01 | Cyrannian | danke |
| 17:46.16 | Wormy_ | Cyrannian: Looks like they're just jumping out of hyperspace |
| 17:58.59 | Cyrannian | Aye, added a blur effect but it's a bit dodgy |
| 18:05.38 | Imperios | Monet Charles_Murray: So you're okay, right? |
| 18:06.46 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : What's the PAE's current economic situation? |
| 18:07.37 | Monet | I'll be back in a bit, need some air. |
| 18:08.48 | Charles_Murray | Also, is the Divinarium still consistently vetoing French candidates because they're French? |
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| 18:16.47 | Imperios | Probably not |
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| 18:23.03 | Hachiman | Fucking IRC |
| 18:25.44 | Charles_Bot | Imperios if the Divinarium is accepting French nominees when they have support, I don't see a reason as to why this candidate shouldn't go through |
| 18:25.57 | Charles_Bot | Sounds like he has a good program |
| 18:44.10 | Hachiman | test |
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| 18:55.08 | Hachiman | spum |
| 18:55.46 | DrodoEmpire | xhohdocktoe |
| 18:55.53 | DrodoEmpire | >.> |
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| 18:58.18 | Wormy_ | ` |
| 18:58.22 | DrodoEmpire | ~ |
| 18:58.31 | Wormy_ | ¬ |
| 18:58.47 | DrodoEmpire | $ |
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| 18:58.55 | DrodoEmpire | @ |
| 18:58.56 | Wormy_ | £ |
| 18:59.02 | DrodoEmpire | I already did that one fagit |
| 18:59.03 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 18:59.09 | Charles_Bot | ⬠|
| 18:59.15 | Wormy_ | Its a pound you dolt |
| 18:59.19 | Charles_Bot | ! |
| 18:59.24 | DrodoEmpire | Nono to Charles |
| 18:59.27 | DrodoEmpire | >: |
| 18:59.36 | Charles_Bot | Olol |
| 18:59.42 | Charles_Bot | :) |
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| 19:00.01 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 19:00.08 | DrodoEmpire | OuO |
| 19:00.10 | Hachiman | ` |
| 19:00.18 | Wormy_ | oh, â® |
| 19:00.18 | Hachiman | Oh fuck Wormy did that one |
| 19:00.18 | Charles_Bot | â¬: |
| 19:00.26 | Tek0516 | ¥ |
| 19:00.40 | Charles_Bot | â¢â¢â¢ |
| 19:00.40 | Hachiman | ? |
| 19:00.46 | Hachiman | \ |
| 19:01.01 | Wormy_ | â½ |
| 19:01.04 | Charles_Bot | Å |
| 19:01.13 | DrodoEmpire | ð½ |
| 19:01.14 | Charles_Bot | ¡ |
| 19:01.16 | Tek0516 | ￦ |
| 19:01.31 | DrodoEmpire | ð² |
| 19:01.33 | Charles_Bot | § |
| 19:01.37 | Tek0516 | ฯ |
| 19:01.42 | Wormy_ | â» |
| 19:01.45 | Dinolion92 | I really had no intention of starting anything, that was really just a typo. |
| 19:01.50 | Tek0516 | Ω |
| 19:01.57 | Charles_Bot | Lol! |
| 19:01.57 | Wormy_ | You've done it now |
| 19:01.58 | DrodoEmpire | ð© |
| 19:01.58 | Imperios | ê¹ |
| 19:02.06 | Hachiman | å |
| 19:02.08 | Charles_Bot | OHGAWD |
| 19:02.22 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 19:02.23 | Charles_Bot | DRODO's PULLED OUT THE NUKES |
| 19:02.30 | DrodoEmpire | It was bound to happen |
| 19:02.40 | Tek0516 | And Hachi invoked the symbol version lf Godwin's law on this. :P |
| 19:02.42 | Imperios | Hachiman: â¡ |
| 19:02.48 | Hachiman | hur |
| 19:03.05 | DrodoEmpire | â¡ |
| 19:03.10 | DrodoEmpire | Damnit |
| 19:03.21 | DrodoEmpire | (((â¡))) |
| 19:03.22 | Imperios | ⡠⥠⪠& $ |
| 19:03.28 | Dinolion92 | %$#@@# |
| 19:03.36 | Hachiman | Right I'm done |
| 19:03.41 | Imperios | â¡ !⥠å |
| 19:03.42 | Wormy_ | â |
| 19:03.55 | Wormy_ | ¶ |
| 19:04.31 | Xho | 俺ã¯ãã¡ãã¡ãã大好ããªãã ã |
| 19:04.34 | Wormy_ | â more from me |
| 19:04.45 | DrodoEmpire | ï½ï½ï½ ï½ï½ï½ï½ |
| 19:05.06 | Wormy_ | à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¼¼âÐâ༽à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹ |
| 19:06.18 | Tek0516 | ðððð |
| 19:06.38 | Wormy_ | à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¼¼âÐâ༽à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹ |
| 19:06.40 | Wormy_ | à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¼¼âÐâ༽à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹ |
| 19:06.42 | Wormy_ | à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¼¼âÐâ༽à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹ |
| 19:06.52 | Hachiman | Okay that's verging on spam |
| 19:07.13 | Xho | åç¾äºåçãããã®ãã£ãããã¾ããã |
| 19:07.19 | DrodoEmpire | ï½
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| 19:07.22 | Dinolion92 | Wormy killed it |
| 19:07.44 | DrodoEmpire | #ï¼³ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½
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| 19:07.48 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 19:07.53 | Cyrannian | ðððððð |
| 19:08.08 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: â«â« https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZiVsGR8u2w â«â« |
| 19:08.21 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: "Scarce is overweight. And secondly, Scarce is boring." |
| 19:09.06 | Hachiman | Think I'll have to agree with iDubbbz that Scarce is boring |
| 19:09.14 | Hachiman | He's not very entertaining or characteristic |
| 19:09.42 | Xho | Scarce |
| 19:09.55 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: Yeah |
| 19:10.06 | DrodoEmpire | He's news, reliable news most of the time |
| 19:10.18 | DrodoEmpire | But he's boring (in his regular videos) |
| 19:10.33 | DrodoEmpire | In others he snorts coke and shit <.< |
| 19:12.19 | Tek0516 | So one of the cats we're fostering has an eye problem that just got really bad. They're getting him rushed to care and my sister is worried he'll lose the eye. :/ |
| 19:12.32 | DrodoEmpire | Oh dear |
| 19:13.57 | Cyrannian | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/9a/Romitex-class_Heavy_Starfighter.png/revision/latest?cb=20160913181824 - Take a look |
| 19:15.20 | Xho | Hachiman: HELLO MTV WELCOME TO MEH KREB |
| 19:15.43 | Hachiman | hur |
| 19:15.47 | Xho | Cyrannian: vroom pew pew |
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| 19:28.43 | Hachiman | Wormy_: No surprise when he's among the same set of cops that subjugate and then shoot black people and dogs for now discernible reason |
| 19:28.49 | Hachiman | *no |
| 19:29.01 | DrodoEmpire | US police in general get shit training |
| 19:29.10 | DrodoEmpire | The good cops will be good cops |
| 19:29.15 | DrodoEmpire | The bad cops are fascists |
| 19:29.58 | Hachiman | This is why UK police training is quite strict about who they accept into the force and put out on the streets |
| 19:30.22 | Hachiman | There are still bad officers but nowhere near as many incidents as what I see come out of the US every week |
| 19:30.58 | Wormy_ | Yeah, the UK police undergo longer training I think as well |
| 19:31.02 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 19:31.23 | Wormy_ | There's some interest from the states in studying how British cops deal with violent situations. |
| 19:31.32 | Hachiman | Probably also has something to with the fact that most UK POs are not allowed to use guns |
| 19:31.56 | Hachiman | And if they are, to actively avoid shooting to kill unless absolutely necessary |
| 19:32.53 | Wormy_ | Only the elite of the elite of the elite get to handle guns |
| 19:33.02 | Hachiman | Yeah and that's not all the time either |
| 19:33.03 | Wormy_ | Woops, didn't mean the triple repeat |
| 19:33.14 | DrodoEmpire | hachiman: its not that |
| 19:33.19 | DrodoEmpire | Canadian cops all carry guns |
| 19:33.28 | DrodoEmpire | Its a matter of training and attitude and militarisation |
| 19:33.43 | DrodoEmpire | The RCMP are a well-trained force of officers who protect and serve |
| 19:33.45 | DrodoEmpire | Not occupy |
| 19:33.50 | drom | Tek0516, did my connection die? |
| 19:34.07 | DrodoEmpire | They also don't have access to absurd amounts of military-grade gear |
| 19:35.06 | Hachiman | Our POs are most often fitted with tasers in place of actual sidearms |
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| 20:12.33 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 20:26.15 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: ayy lmao |
| 20:26.17 | DrodoEmpire | Also hi |
| 20:33.18 | Monet | hi |
| 20:57.33 | Wormy_ | Finland and Scotland need to have a bar fight |
| 21:06.39 | Wormy_ | Xho: get spook https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsG6MSpWAAAdTob.jpg |
| 21:08.09 | Hachiman | Oh God I don't like it |
| 21:09.13 | Wormy_ | Its given me a headache |
| 21:12.38 | Wormy_ | its even more infuriating further away |
| 21:15.12 | Xho | not dis shit again |
| 21:15.28 | DrodoEmpire | God I love this book I'm reading now |
| 21:15.39 | DrodoEmpire | Has anyone read or heard of "1632"? |
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| 21:17.13 | Hachiman | I haven't |
| 21:17.18 | Hachiman | What's it about? |
| 21:21.30 | DrodoEmpire | Its a sci-fi/historical fiction book |
| 21:22.16 | DrodoEmpire | basically, a small town of 3500 in West Virginia instantly gets teleported directly in to Thuringia- a province of the Holy Roman Empire, in the middle of the Thirty years' War |
| 21:22.41 | DrodoEmpire | Its a really weird idea, but holy shit its a good read |
| 21:22.53 | DrodoEmpire | Its available for free online, but physical copies exist |
| 21:23.29 | Quark8 | Which book? |
| 21:23.53 | DrodoEmpire | 1632 |
| 21:27.44 | Wormy_ | Sounds good. Reminds me of a dicussion we had on how to survive being teleported to the middle ages of Europe |
| 21:28.29 | Wormy_ | The best plan of action was to go to a monastery and develop antibiotics out of mould cultures. |
| 21:30.56 | Wormy_ | Anyway, science news https://www.newscientist.com/article/2105588-first-glimpse-of-a-black-hole-being-born-from-a-stars-remains/?utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=ILC&utm_campaign=webpush&cmpid=ILC%257CNSNS%257C2016-GLOBAL-webpush-blackholeborn |
| 21:46.16 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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| 22:05.54 | Wormy_ | Rally car just misses dog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoKtLkSatRM |
| 22:10.32 | Hachiman | I get reminded of those videos where bears and moose collide with cars and then they get up and walk away; what most people don't realise is that while they look as if they've shaken off the impact, they're actually most likely severely internally bleeding |
| 22:11.46 | Wormy_ | Yeah |
| 22:11.56 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C0fxoot-7c |
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| 22:13.41 | Wormy_ | Even with a lot of human collision injuries, it can be the same. No visible injury on the outside, organs damaged on the inside. People who don't belt up in vehicles for example. |
| 22:16.23 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 22:17.04 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 22:20.49 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannian_Cold_War#Collapse_of_Cyrannian_Concordance_.2812_NE_-_.29 - big Cold War update |
| 22:21.50 | Cyrannian | Oh hang on, I'll spell check it |
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| 22:24.18 | Tybusen | Ooh, things are heating up |
| 22:28.48 | Cyrannian | Aye, might concentrate on making similar sections in the future. They take less time to write than separate stories with dialogue |
| 22:29.24 | Wormy_ | Very interesting |
| 22:30.21 | Wormy_ | Its something I'm beginning to adopt to, the advantage being that one could write detailed stories and dialogue when they feel like it |
| 22:30.33 | Wormy_ | *adopt too |
| 22:30.35 | Xho | cold war gon b hawt soon |
| 22:32.48 | Wormy_fic | On /Recent Works, I feel like I should change the design of the links between those that connect to pages and those that connect to short stories, but I'm not sure how to make a good distinction |
| 22:34.33 | Cyrannian | So links appear a different colour? |
| 22:34.46 | Wormy_fic | That's a possibility |
| 22:40.30 | Wormy_fic | How's this colour? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Recent_works#Birth_of_the_Gigaquadrant.3B_2754_to_2759_.28686_to_690_ACS.29.3B_Milky_Way.2C_Andromeda_and_Tigris |
| 22:43.02 | Monet | Much easier to see. |
| 22:46.16 | Wormy_fic | Adobe Kuler suggests a very bright gold, but that might too much against a dark background |
| 22:46.41 | Wormy_fic | I like dark bluish-green anyway, its one of the DCP colours |
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| 22:47.59 | Quark8 | Hello. |
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| 22:50.46 | Wormy_fic | Think I'll take it a shade darker |
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| 23:05.18 | DrodoEmpire | Back |
| 23:05.25 | DrodoEmpire | 'He turned to her, still grinning. "Let me introduce you to another unfamiliar American expression." The white teeth, shining in a black face, reminded Rebecca of nothing so much as a shield of heraldry. "We call itâD-Day."' |
| 23:05.33 | DrodoEmpire | Shit's about to get real in "1632" |
| 23:09.14 | Hachiman | What's the context? |
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| 23:10.20 | DrodoEmpire | An alliance has been brokered between the American colonists and Gustavus Adolphus- via a Scottish cavalry captain |
| 23:10.36 | DrodoEmpire | The little town took a side, and there's a rampaging army coming right at them |
| 23:10.49 | DrodoEmpire | Such a good story XD |
| 23:11.14 | DrodoEmpire | Its full of awesome one-liners too, like that |
| 23:13.21 | Charles_Bot | Wth would you sign an alliance with Sweden when you're in Thurginia |
| 23:13.26 | Charles_Bot | That's like |
| 23:13.33 | Charles_Bot | The opposite of where he can reach |
| 23:14.10 | Charles_Bot | If it was Pomerania, sure |
| 23:14.32 | Charles_Bot | But Thurginia is basically the heart of the HRE |
| 23:15.26 | Tek0516 | Because it's awesome. :P |
| 23:15.46 | Tek0516 | Also presumably the actual HRE hates them. |
| 23:15.49 | Hachiman | Rule of Cool Charles, God |
| 23:15.59 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh |
| 23:16.03 | DrodoEmpire | No |
| 23:16.16 | DrodoEmpire | hachi, he might have a point assuming he knows what he's talking about |
| 23:16.37 | DrodoEmpire | This story's otherwise reasonably authentic |
| 23:16.46 | Hachiman | I was being sarcastic considering my knowledge on the HRE is somewhat lacking and I'm missing a lot of content here |
| 23:16.49 | Hachiman | context* |
| 23:17.02 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 23:32.14 | Wormy_fic | Added some polls http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Recent_works#Polls |
| 23:32.26 | Wormy_fic | Ooh it got someone voting already |
| 23:44.46 | DrodoEmpire | 'Mackay (Scots cavalry officer) stared at the men in the rifle pit. They were making last-minute adjustments to the weapon in the center. The adjustments were quite unnecessary, in all truth. But those middle-aged men were nervous. Their Vietnam days were many years behind them. It had been a long time since any of them fired an M-60.' |
| 23:44.48 | DrodoEmpire | Ohh shit |
| 23:50.53 | Monet | It's Vulcan time! |
| 23:52.50 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 23:55.44 | Wormy_fic | I just thought, it would have been so cool if the Staff of Life had created new planets to start on. |
| 23:57.02 | DrodoEmpire | That'd be an interesting idea yeah |
