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02:57.18Wormy_awayWell it took me all night, but I've finished something nearly 2 years in the making http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Recent_works#Years_of_Hyperspace_and_Reflection.3B_2780_to_2815_.28728_to_746_ACS.29.3B_Milky_Way_.26_Gigaquadrant
02:58.11Wormy_awayI'll improve the wording and spelling tomorrow.  Also change anything that needs to be
02:58.11DrodoEmpireOh cool
02:58.29Wormy_awayAnd I might write Lunarai's revelation into a short story
02:59.47DrodoEmpirekk
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08:01.49ImpyDroid2Hi
08:01.59ImpyDroid2Liquid_Ink: http://photobarone.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Screen-shot-2012-10-04-at-11.13.32-AM.png #Republicans
08:02.22Liquid_Ink*screams*
08:02.27Liquid_Ink*claws at eyes*
08:50.57ImpyDroid2Liquid_Ink: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1473665977163.png
08:51.21Liquid_InkHaha
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09:30.54GhelaeHello.
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10:28.28HachimanHi
10:28.52NeonPandahi u
10:29.00NeonPandaare you aware of a group called Pentatonix?
10:29.21HachimanI'm aware of them
10:30.06NeonPandahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F80FsZDTgn0 this is some of the most on point cyberpunk fashion I've ever seen and I love it disproportionately
10:32.16HachimanI mean, if you wanna call that cyberpunk fashion, I'll not argue with you
10:32.37NeonPandaclearly you have never been to shanghai
10:33.06NeonPandathe Daft Punk medley has a bit more of hte traditional look
10:34.05NeonPandayou also forget that I come from the Night City school of cyberpunk, not this shiny triangles everywhere "I never asked for this" nonsense you kids play with :P
10:35.47HachimanI never played Deus Ex but even I think that some of the fashion and structural designs there look retarded
10:36.09ImpyDroidHi
10:36.15ImpyDroidHachiman: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fDZmNUoh0zI/TrTJxCoHXwI/AAAAAAAAbD0/UL_9RbGqJFo/s1600/New-Turkish-%252520Sultan-%252520Ergodan_634435688966711178_main.jpg
10:36.16HachimanHi
10:36.20Hachimanhur
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10:45.25ImpyDroidLiquid_Ink: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fDZmNUoh0zI/TrTJxCoHXwI/AAAAAAAAbD0/UL_9RbGqJFo/s1600/New-Turkish-%252520Sultan-%252520Ergodan_634435688966711178_main.jpg
10:46.20Liquid_InkYep.
10:51.44HachimanSo, MatPat the Retard Theorist has made a video discussing that Star Trek's Federation is a malevolent, biased fascist government because they're an anti-capitalist state and claims that exploration in itself is a malign indicator of violent intentions
10:52.53ImpyDroidOh God yes that theory was dumb
10:53.07DrodoEmpiretest
10:53.07ImpyDroidEspecially since he claims that the destruction of capitalism is the main fascist goal
10:53.24DrodoEmpireI mean, UFP is at least communist
10:53.26ImpyDroidFascists have always patronized large businesses
10:53.50ImpyDroidThey just incorporated them into their rule
10:54.02DrodoEmpirePerhaps fascist, I can believe it
10:54.06HachimanAnd that the Federation is wrong for abandoning or getting rid of dissidents, using state equipment for Starfleet captains instead of capitalist brands, for maintaining the flow of communication that keeps the law and order of the Federation
10:54.24ImpyDroidState equipment for the military makes perfect sense
10:54.37ImpyDroidGetting rid of dissidents *is* authoritarian
10:54.41DrodoEmpire"abandoning or getting rid of dissidents" is authoritarian
10:54.43ImpyDroidI would not call it fascist though
10:54.57DrodoEmpireBut it *can be* fascist
10:54.58ImpyDroidIMO they are expansionist communists
10:55.05HachimanAuthoritarian maybe but it's not inherently in itself fascist
10:55.06DrodoEmpireLike I said they're more communist than anything
10:55.17HachimanBecause why the fuck would you keep around people who go out of their way to ruin everything
10:55.21ImpyDroidThey aren't fascist because they are not nationalist
10:55.31DrodoEmpireHachiman:...That's not necessarily who a dissident is
10:55.33ImpyDroidHachiman: Because freedom of speech
10:55.54DrodoEmpireDissidents and people who're going against norms are important for society to develop
10:58.40HachimanI'm just saying, barring Kirk, most of the dissidents shown in Star Trek have been or have become war criminals, terrorists, guerilla fighters, etc
10:59.18DrodoEmpireBecause they're the interesting ones :p
10:59.23DrodoEmpireTo a story
10:59.37DrodoEmpireIts retarded to say *all* or most dissidents look like that
10:59.51HachimanWhich is why I chose my words carefully and said "shown"
10:59.53DrodoEmpireMost dissidents are journalists or intellectuals daring to propose something slightly different
11:00.56ImpyDroidOr scientists, we had a lot of these
11:00.56ImpyDroidSakharov etc
11:00.57ImpyDroidThough that fits into intellectuals
11:00.59HachimanAnd do you recall an episode of Star Trek where the Federation has gone out of its way to fuck over and get rid of journalists and intellectuals instead of Starfleet officers who have intentionally disobeyed military command?
11:01.22ImpyDroidFair point actually
11:02.35DrodoEmpireI'd have to check
11:02.46DrodoEmpireWhy're you so heated?
11:03.01HachimanBecause MatPat's a retard and he pulls shit out of his ass
11:03.02ImpyDroidBecause Hachi
11:03.03ImpyDroidduh
11:03.03NeonPandait's Hachi, everything ends up heated when he's involved
11:03.08DrodoEmpire:p
11:03.17ImpyDroidI would agree with Film Theory's notion that exploration usually means imperialism
11:03.24ImpyDroidI mean they seem to desire to expand
11:03.24HachimanI don't
11:03.52ImpyDroidWell
11:03.52ImpyDroidGimme any human nation that expanded and explored new land and was not imperialist
11:04.20HachimanExploration is not imperialist unless it is imperialists doing the exploring
11:04.54DrodoEmpireExcept that imperialism usually comes *after* people realise there's land to actually conquer :p
11:04.58HachimanDo you suggest that the Federation's population remains cramped, compact, and overpopulated as well as starving for construction materials to sustain their hi-tech society?
11:05.14ImpyDroidExactly, it feels a need to expand
11:05.14DrodoEmpireAnyway, they're not one and the same, but they can follow closely
11:05.40DrodoEmpire(Also tbh I doubt every or even most UFP citizens live as they do on starbases, core worlds, etc.)
11:05.48DrodoEmpire(But that's a different argument)
11:05.53ImpyDroidYou are not saying it is not imperialist
11:05.54ImpyDroidYou are saying that its imperialism is justified
11:05.54ImpyDroidWhich is true because a growing prosperous society usually expands
11:05.54ImpyDroidBut it is still imperialism
11:06.01ImpyDroidAgain, give me any nation that explored new land and was not imperialist
11:06.20HachimanI also wouldn't call the Federation expansive fascists on the basis that they have encountered many fertile, material-rich worlds with primitive cultures and societies inhabiting them and I don't recall an episode where any Starfleet officer suggests "right lets kill / enslave these people and take their shit"
11:06.40ImpyDroidWe are talking about imperialism duh
11:06.42ImpyDroidNot fascism
11:06.43HachimanYou know, the basis of the Prime Directive which prevents this kind of thing
11:06.57ImpyDroidJust colonial expansion
11:07.50HachimanSo does this mean that Charles Darwin's exploration of the Galapagos Isles was an imperialist agenda?
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11:09.13NeonPandawell yeah it was
11:09.30NeonPandacos Charles was there to assist with the voyage, it wasn't there for his purpose
11:09.55HachimanEh true
11:10.29NeonPandathe voyages of the Beagle were meant to establish accurate charts of the area, Darwin just did his thing in the off hours
11:10.48NeonPandaanyway Hachi you bein a dumb
11:11.00HachimanAlright, I'll shut up
11:11.09NeonPandadanke
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11:13.12ImpyAndroidNeonPanda: I am honestly astounded by your ability to shut Hachi up
11:13.15ImpyAndroidTeach me
11:13.19NeonPandaas am I
11:13.32ImpyAndroidDoes he respect you or something
11:14.40NeonPandaif I had to guess I'd say it's to do with the fact that we're friends, but iunno
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11:15.05Wormy_hello
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11:15.36ImpyDroid2So are we but I cannot shut him up
11:16.10ImpyDroid2Granted I am one of the few people here who are as neurotic as Hachi so my efforts are more or less spewing gasoline on fire
11:18.53Wormy_Something up?
11:21.37NeonPandanah
11:22.21ImpyDroid2Already done
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12:14.45ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: Does Maryah have a crown?
12:14.47ImpyDroidHI
12:14.51ImpyDroid*Hi
12:15.03OluapPlayerYes
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12:57.59OluapPlayerTechnobliterator: http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/katietiedrich/comic475_zpsdbm8ptzi.png
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13:01.24MonetHello
13:01.54OluapPlayerhi
13:21.31Technobliteratorhahahahaha
13:25.40Monethttp://kotaku.com/the-last-guardian-delayed-again-because-of-course-1786521693 well shit.
13:27.17TechnobliteratorKotaku :|
13:27.28OluapPlayerKotaku aside, it's true
13:27.34OluapPlayerOnly comes out in december now
13:28.04TechnobliteratorI mean, it's unsurprising
13:28.13TechnobliteratorMy worry is it'll be disappointing when it releases
13:28.23MonetDuke Nukem Syndrome.
13:29.55OluapPlayerLast Guardian will probably not suffer the same DNF did
13:30.12TechnobliteratorGhelae, Wormy_, Monet, can you guys submit a statement from your factions for the Loron trial? As in, a statement on what they think should become of them?
13:30.13OluapPlayerDNF changed hands multiple times during development, Last Guardian hasn't
13:30.16MonetGamesRadar also made an article if you guys don't like Kotaku.
13:30.35TechnobliteratorKotaku have been improving lately
13:30.46TechnobliteratorBut there was a time when basically all their articles were clickbait
13:31.38MonetLingering in Development Hell can still sabotage a game's success.
13:32.47MonetAnd with clickbait I'm somewhat neutral. Tabloid sensationalism is a *really* old practice, clickbait is just tabloid headlining for the internet age.
13:32.54OluapPlayerDNF was badly received because it was an outdated, sexist, unfunny mess
13:33.03OluapPlayerI'd know since I endured through all of it
13:34.03MonetIf the story was an interesting read despite a clickbait title then I'm not too bothered myself.
13:35.02TechnobliteratorI think that's fair
13:35.18TechnobliteratorMy only issue is when they post stuff solely opinionated or just baseless rumours
13:35.23TechnobliteratorIt doesn't happen so often these days
13:36.06MonetOthers might take issue as yeah, it is a misleading practice. Somewhere like Cracked tends to embellish its headline with phrases like "that you won't believe"
13:36.14HachimanLAST GUARDIAN DEVS ARE DELAYING AGAIN BECAUSE THE PATRIARCHY BEHIND GAMERGATE DOESN'T WANT ANY FEMALE CHARACTERS
13:36.57MonetYeah basically look for the core message and try to screen out the emotion-driving fluff.
13:38.04TechnobliteratorDo people still take GamerGate seriously?
13:38.22Wormy_Techno:  yeah sure, is there a page for me to do that on?
13:38.36TechnobliteratorNah, just post it here
13:38.47MonetWhenever I see the Sun's adverts in the cinema I initially get confused thinking the advert is talking about the cinema.
13:39.34OluapPlayerI never really figured what GamerGate was supposed to be
13:39.37Monet"More action! more drama! more suspense!" - I'm sorry are you selling me a newspaper or a comic book?
13:40.58NeonPandaso I may have survived a drone attack by hiding in a hollow asteroid until a stray meteorite destroyed the drone
13:41.17MonetOluapPlayer: I think it was supposed to be about crony games journalism but got hijacked by the feminazi armies of the dread queen Aaita.
13:41.21MonetAnita*
13:41.36NeonPanda^ that basically (in reference to GamerGate)
13:42.20MonetLike how IGN will give any game that donates a couple of million to them a 9.5/10
13:42.50MonetOr they get given a few million to just hype and speculate the fuck out of said game.
13:43.15HachimanGo the easy route and just lie to your fanbase without having to pay up
13:43.34HachimanAnd then use all the preorder money to buy ratings
13:45.33Wormy_Technobliterator:  "The DCP is in favour of extermination of all of Da Rogue Boyz with exception to those aligned with the URO.  But barring extermination, the DCP offers a second suggestion:  reduce the Loron to the stone age and fortify their planets from orbit to prevent their misery reaching the stars."
13:45.45TechnobliteratorSounds good, thanks!
13:46.15MonetI think after GamerGate, the "-gate" suffix lost a good deal of its meaning.
13:47.14TechnobliteratorWho would be the DCP rep, Wormy?
13:47.26Wormy_Hm
13:48.10Wormy_Idol Wormulus
13:48.30Technobliteratorsure
13:49.01Wormy_Give that he is a galactic guardian of the GCSS it makes sense
13:49.23Technobliteratormhm
13:49.37TechnobliteratorI'll get statements from other people before I push the trial live
13:53.14Tek0516Monet: And I'd say "deflategate" was its full death of meaning.
13:53.32MonetI was looking up.
13:54.19MonetWhat about elbowgate?
13:54.44Tek0516Ugh. That.
13:56.53MonetI once applied to a mature corp in EVE and one of the entry requirements was I knew what Watergate was.
13:57.07Tek0516The only thing elbowgate did was weaken every major party except the one accused. >.>
13:59.26Tek0516Monet: An odd requirement.
14:00.07GhelaeTechnobliterator: As for Apalos, I suppose their suggestion would be something like "It is clear that what we want to avoid is the combination of aggressive Loron cultures and unrestricted access to weaponry. In order to achieve this while adhering to internationally-recognised ethical standards...
14:00.47OluapPlayerI think ethic standards aren't too relevant in this trial, since 6/7 of the PCA favours their extermination
14:00.49MonetTechnobliterator: "The Draconid Imperium propose that following their rampant aggression and inappropriate behaviour, are in full favour of reducing the Rogue Boyz to a position subservient to URO. To be seen as unfit to integrate into galactic society. Attempts at undermining URO authority by the Loron should be exerted in methods the Republic deems appropriate."
14:00.52Ghelae...those Loron who are not aligned with peaceful states should be separated into small groups, deprived of weaponisable technology, and placed under watch to ensure that this state of affairs is maintained. Any who choose to become citizens of other states may be allowed to do so given consent."
14:01.02OluapPlayerOh you were in-character
14:01.04OluapPlayernevermind hur
14:01.34TechnobliteratorSounds good, will add both you guys
14:01.35Technobliteratorthanks!
14:01.53TechnobliteratorWho's the DI rep, Monet?
14:03.00MonetTek0516: I think it was an age-screening test. Mature players (I've met Nam war vets playing EVE)
14:03.25Monetmight know the intricacies of the Watergate scandal better.
14:03.32Tek0516Ah.
14:04.05GhelaeApalos wouldn't openly support the extermination of the Loron, although if pushed for a less ethical alternative they would suggest genetically engineering the Loron so as to completely change their brains into something more intelligent and peaceful.
14:04.34MonetOluapPlayer: Shall we debut our Zoles viceroy for this?
14:04.41NeonPanda"we won't kill them, we'll just completely rewrite their biological structure to make them something other"
14:04.49TechnobliteratorI think people would agree with that
14:05.11OluapPlayerMonet: Can do
14:05.43GhelaeNeonPanda: Exactly.
14:07.31MonetI've got the name Tarosa Soravius listed. I think that was who we made viceroy for Borealis.
14:09.15OluapPlayerRight
14:09.38GhelaeI suppose somebody could ask Apalos "And what if we *don't* have to adhere to ethical standards?" and then they reply with my second suggestion.
14:11.07Technobliteratoroh, sure
14:11.26Wormy_Funny how both the Loron and DCP learn the error of their ways in the last few years
14:19.34MonetYeah but the Loron might not learn from their errors.
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14:23.32Technobliteratorhi Charles_Murray, can you submit a statement for the Loron trial from France?
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14:24.05Charles_MurrayI can definitely give it a shot. Link?
14:24.18TechnobliteratorNah, just post it here
14:24.22TechnobliteratorI'll add it to the titanpad
14:24.30Technobliterator(which is kept secret because the outcome is secret)
14:24.42Charles_Murray:o
14:24.47OluapPlayerspoiler: loron fokin die
14:24.49Technobliteratoralso, Imperios, same to you, can I get a statement from the Divinarium during the Loron trial as to what they think should become of them?
14:25.11ImperiosSure
14:26.10TechnobliteratorJust post it here, I'll add it to the final trial
14:29.14OluapPlayerTechnobliterator: "The Last Guardian development is going brilliantly: this is the shortest release delay in the history of the game!"
14:29.22Technobliteratorhahahaha
14:29.24Technobliteratorso true
14:37.29Technobliteratorbbl gym
14:48.04Charles_MurrayOluapPlayer : Do you know the state of the rogue Loron at the time of the Loron trial? I know that UNO has been liberated, but given Da Rogue Boyz fragmented and dispersed nature, are major non-UNO Loron populations still at large? Or are they all under the power of the Da Reckoning allies?
14:49.34OluapPlayerTheir fleets were defeated and they are under the power of the allies
14:50.00Charles_MurrayEven those dispersed throughout Borealis?
14:51.12OluapPlayerYes
14:54.57Charles_MurrayAlright
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14:55.55TreebeardHello
14:56.19ImperiosOluapPlayer: http://imgur.com/a/E9xH5 Six flag concepts, which one do you like?
14:57.01OluapPlayerThe fifth one looks the best to me
14:57.50Imperioshttp://i.imgur.com/AIVj5Hw.png This one?
14:58.10OluapPlayerYes
14:59.35ImperiosThis one has the most stuff on it hur
14:59.41ImperiosRightio
15:00.46ImperiosAlso OluapPlayer Monet Hachiman Wormy_: http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Eistland_Indoctrinate_Collective Our number of fanboys grows
15:01.17ImperiosDoes this count as plagiarism?
15:01.30OluapPlayerwut the fuck
15:01.53ImperiosDracogonarious except WELSH
15:02.06OluapPlayerWell other than the name, there isn't any actual Indoc Collective in this
15:02.07ImperiosWelsh AND IRISH
15:02.08OluapPlayerSo I guess not
15:02.14ImperiosWell there's
15:02.17Imperios>Hyper-controlling government
15:02.35Imperios>their main goals are to explore, research and understand the cosmos
15:02.47Imperios>Military    Crimson Claws
15:02.59OluapPlayerTrue
15:03.09OluapPlayerWell I can't really do anything about it so
15:03.31ImperiosIt's a bit hilarious though
15:03.43ImperiosIndoctrinate Collectibe except with magic, and made out of human
15:03.44Imperioshumans
15:03.50ImperiosWELSH AND IRISH humans even
15:04.16Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Dravidan_Divinarium FUCK YES
15:04.17Wormy_Imperios:  I hate it when that happens
15:04.19ImperiosI AM RECOGNISED
15:04.24ImperiosI AM WITNESSED
15:04.25ImperiosSOMEONE
15:04.29ImperiosACTUALLY CARES ABOUT MY WORK
15:04.36Wormy_Btw, updated the technical aspects of http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Station_Halcyon#Technical_Information
15:04.48OluapPlayerwow
15:04.51ImperiosAlso holy shit Indian holyrats
15:04.58OluapPlayerCan these people not make their own fiction
15:05.28Wormy_Fjord League? http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Norwegian_Coalition_of_Planets
15:05.47Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Yekatis_Accord It's like a bizzarro Fictionverse
15:06.43ImperiosFeels so weird
15:06.51Wormy_Is it just his work or the whole wiki?  If they're copying our universe without credit we ought to say something and I will
15:08.23MonetOluapPlayer: I'd argue "probably not"; much easier to copy what's been done than come up with something new.
15:08.51ImperiosWormy_: I am doing this right now
15:09.01Wormy_He's already using my tier scale
15:09.23Wormy_Not that I m ind, but I wouldn't mind credit and a link to my page that explains it
15:09.40GhelaeThere's quite a list on http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Yekatis_Accord
15:09.47OluapPlayerI suppose plagiarism is the most sincere form of flattery
15:09.59OluapPlayerRegardless I'll not do anything about it since I doubt they'd care
15:11.09MonetThis looks like one of those sites where it's the norm to take pictures found on Google Images and use them to visualise your fiction.
15:11.22Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/The_Civilization Holy shit
15:12.18Charles_MurrayNo copy of Spore France? :o
15:12.26Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Animaniax#SporeWiki
15:12.32ImperiosCharles_Murray: It's somewhere
15:12.40OluapPlayerLiterally our Civilization
15:12.47Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Royal_Technate_of_France Here's that
15:13.22Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Animaniax/List_of_my_writing_sources Oh wait
15:13.23ImperiosHe mentioned us
15:14.12MonetYeah but he hid it away.
15:14.13Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Ojamos_Crystal_Alliance Holy shit that flag
15:14.15Charles_MurrayHahaha
15:14.30Imperioshttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/conworld/images/a/a9/Balkan_flag_NR.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150520172011 THIS HERALDRY
15:14.31ImperiosMY EYES
15:14.33ImperiosAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
15:14.50Charles_Murray"The Constitution of July, 4806 UE, 4th Era, formalized many elements of the empire's government, while removing several others. Such reformations result in broad economic, military, political, and social alliances between the 6th Republic - the Technate's heart and the seat of the central government - and their vast colonial worlds, galaxies, or space orbital dependencies." All of this is a a copy-pasted and heavily edit
15:15.01Charles_Murrayof what's actually on the French Empire's page
15:16.50Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperquadrantic_Intergalactic_Treaty_Organization Their GITO is HITO
15:16.52ImperiosGITO
15:16.57ImperiosBut with a Ukrainian accent
15:16.59ImperiosHITO
15:17.44MonetHE's using the same top quote as what's on GITO's page.
15:18.12Charles_Murray"Hyperquadrantic"
15:18.15ImperiosHachiman: Dude this is like the perfect discussion for you to join in
15:18.18ImperiosJoin in the fun
15:18.21Charles_MurrayWhen Gigaquadrantic just isn't enough for you
15:18.25HachimanE
15:18.27HachimanEh
15:18.39ImperiosThere's a Brood of War expy somewhere too
15:18.41ImperiosI think
15:18.49Hachiman>expying shit fiction
15:18.51HachimanBrilliant
15:18.52Imperios>    Delian Superstate
15:18.59Imperios>    Brood of Innsstadt
15:19.20Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Bosnian_Remnants
15:19.24Imperios>Pan-Nazeagar Ecumene's high lords
15:19.30ImperiosTheir PAE expy
15:19.31ImperiosIS HEADED
15:19.33ImperiosBY FUCKING
15:19.34ImperiosBOSNIANS
15:19.36ImperiosFUCKING BOSNIANS
15:19.39Charles_MurrayHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
15:19.45ImperiosREMOVE KEBAAAAAAAAAAB
15:19.48Charles_MurrayFrance - I KNEW IT!
15:20.08GhelaeThere's a gigantic list of nations that user has either created or intended to create: http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/EUROPA_Hyperpowers
15:20.11Charles_MurrayThis shall forever be canon in my mind
15:20.27GhelaeI believe the Ravenrii are Danish: http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Danish_Core_Federation
15:21.28Imperioshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocW3fBqPQkU The Divinarium be like
15:21.50Imperios>http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Belarus_Triumvirates
15:21.50MonetIf anyone spots the DI on here, let me know.
15:21.51ImperiosFUCKING
15:21.52ImperiosBELARUS
15:21.59ImperiosMAGIC BELARUS
15:22.02ImperiosMAKING MAGIC POTATOES
15:22.04Hachimanhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/conworld/images/b/b9/Innsstadt_flag_NR.png/revision/latest?cb=20150522171837 The Brood of Innsstadt's herald's face is how I feel about all this
15:22.10ImperiosMAGIC KGB
15:22.34Imperios>Belarussian-ethnic evolved humanoid Ekloivnocs
15:22.43ImperiosI literally imagine hordes of Lukashenko clones
15:22.45Wormy_http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:The_Civilization
15:22.58ImperiosYou know guys
15:22.59ImperiosI am happy
15:23.03ImperiosI am happy we have each other
15:23.14ImperiosI am happy that whenever one ofu s makes something stupid, someone can criticise it
15:23.15Hachimanhttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Worlds_Imperium_of_Nova_Britannia Looks to be the Imperium, granted most of this is ripped off from Code Geass or something, I dunno
15:24.05Charles_MurrayAnimaniax created that wiki, btw
15:24.05HachimanHonestly I'm not so disgusted or upset by this or anything considering how much stuff we steal / borrow for our own fiction
15:24.09ImperiosYou know if each of us worked on its own
15:24.17ImperiosWe'd become this
15:24.25ImperiosHachiman: Fair point too
15:24.33ImperiosStill hilarious
15:24.39HachimanI mean, come on, Monet's Imperium and its Inquisition
15:24.40ImperiosIf you ask me, I am proud
15:24.48ImperiosI am proud that someone rips off my stuff
15:25.29HachimanIt's like Oluap's worst nightmare; everything is humans
15:25.43Charles_MurrayFrance - :D
15:26.00MonetI think the DI has become more original over time. The Inquisition? Yeah that's pretty ripped off I will admit lol.
15:26.36MonetI'd say Nova Britannia is different enough that it's not a DI ripoff.
15:27.03Hachimanhttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Kingdom_of_Albion Oh here we go
15:27.04Charles_MurrayIt's a code geass ripoff though
15:27.59Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Yamato_Intersolar_Commune Hachiman: FFFFFFFFFFFFFF-
15:28.16HachimanNot even mad
15:29.24OluapPlayerBut I have humans of my own tho
15:29.40HachimanI could go full circle and start ripping off his stuff
15:29.45Hachiman*We
15:30.02MonetOluapPlayer: Are they a dominant culture though.
15:30.03Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Equestrian_Republic_(The_Next_Renaissance) dat name
15:30.12HachimanEquestrian doesn't just mean horses u
15:30.35Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/New_Korean_Republic_(The_Next_Renaissance) Ohgod that picture
15:30.37MonetIt does relate to horses though.
15:30.44Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Mongolian_Hegemony_(The_Next_Renaissance)
15:30.58Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Federation_(The_Next_Renaissance) THEM PICTURES
15:31.15Imperioshttp://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/East_Asian_Coalition_(The_Next_Renaissance) ...Holy shit that flag is cool
15:31.31ImperiosThe Taiwanese sun, the Korean trigrams and the Mongolian Buddhist symbol
15:31.49OluapPlayerWell no they're a minor race
15:31.55OluapPlayerbecause screw major 'umies
15:32.21ImperiosEmpire of Man - ;-;
15:32.22MonetOluapPlayer: Exactly. THis is a universe where humans take centre-stage in a sci-fi setting.
15:32.28OluapPlayergross
15:32.32OluapPlayerwhere the ayys at
15:32.53Charles_MurrayFrance - D:
15:32.57MonetApparently they're minorities.
15:33.01OluapPlayerGROSS
15:33.29ImperiosDEATH TO THE HUMAN PRIVILEGE
15:33.40OluapPlayer'umies is fer krumpin
15:33.42HachimanFuck the Humanarchy
15:34.03OluapPlayerImperios: make Divinarium statement about Loron pls
15:34.26HachimanAlso what kinda name is Innsstadt
15:34.46HachimanIs that like German
15:34.59MonetSounds Germanic.
15:35.16OluapPlayerInnsmouth's gay cousin
15:35.22Hachimanhur
15:35.52HachimanSo, Brood of Innsstadt = German Zazane expies
15:36.08Charles_MurrayWormy_ Also, I read your recent works page
15:36.13Charles_MurrayI really really like it
15:36.38Wormy_Thank you, glad you liked it
15:37.43HachimanOh, that reminds me, I need to check out the stuff on the FRD thread
15:37.57Charles_MurrayThere are a few things I feel are out of order, but otherwise the narrative is pretty spectacular
15:38.19ImperiosOluapPlayer: Institute a number of reeducation facilities in former Loron space and invest in psychological reconditioning of Lorons to make them capable of living in galactic society. In order for the project to be self-sufficient, institute reparations in form of salvaged resources (coming from ships and vehicles) and metals, precious and otherwise (all that bling has to come from somewhere), using Chikz as liasons. The Chik-ruled government shall ens
15:38.19Wormy_Charles:  I was a bit concerned there might be a lot of things wrong with it, being planned out nearly a year ago now
15:38.19Imperiosure the payment of reparations and the reconditioning project, although PCA forces shall remain in Rogue Boyz space and take responsibility for its military protection.
15:38.31OluapPlayerWho says this
15:38.35HachimanCONVERT TO SPODE
15:38.38HachimanKILL THE HERETICS
15:38.40HachimanREMOVE PIZZA
15:39.02OluapPlayerKoluap - >convert to spode         dont make me come down from heaven to shoot you
15:39.20Hachiman>antitheist      >heaven
15:39.23Hachimanu fukn wot koluap
15:39.39OluapPlayerKoluap - hey sonhadromerith is cool enough
15:40.02ImperiosOluapPlayer: Autarch Supreme Tansimat Qariel, speaking for Clericarch Iovera
15:40.08OluapPlayerrite
15:40.11OluapPlayerThank you
15:40.14MonetI was going ot say with his guilt Koluap might go to hell but he probably earned a place in the dream realm.
15:40.23HachimanAutarch Supreme sounds like a type of pizza
15:40.29OluapPlayerolol
15:41.15ImperiosMonet: What if he did go to Hell, but remained armed and will be fighting demons for all eternity
15:41.17Charles_MurrayWormy_ Only things I could see is (1) France actually returns to the Xonexi chain of command far before the mess in the core and participates in the stalemate. The arrival of the French Navy gradually building up forces in the Milky Way, plus its efforts to keep the Sovereignty in the war and integrate it more tightly into the Xonexi chain of command, are one reason the stalemate breaks down in favor of the allies
15:41.40OluapPlayerSo Koluap becomes Doomguy
15:41.43OluapPlayerHe'd probably be okay with it
15:41.46HachimanHe died with his shotgun in hand, so his soul will go to hell with a spiritual one
15:41.58OluapPlayerKoluap - metaphorically go fuck yourself
15:42.11Charles_Murray(2) I wrote it that the Peace of Halcyon was actually negotiated before the Civilisation's betrayal, with the DCP negotiating from a position of strength
15:42.41OluapPlayerStill need Cyrannian and Dino to give their two cents
15:42.47Charles_MurrayAnd the Peace in many ways actually causes the Civ/Technoosphere's revolt
15:42.49OluapPlayerAnd frenchman too
15:43.02Wormy_They shouldn't be too hard for me to fix
15:43.08HachimanI can imagine that if Koluap's soul actually is in the Realm of Dreams, he'd go "what the actual fuck" when he sees Hachi is part of his afterlife
15:43.11Charles_MurrayFrance - Yup! Got a few hundred interns working on it
15:43.27OluapPlayerKoluap - not this shit again
15:43.33MonetDream Hachi - EEP EEP
15:43.36HachimanHachi - EERP
15:43.38HachimanEEP*
15:43.40Wormy_Anyway thanks for the feedback, I'll work on that later
15:43.53OluapPlayerKoluap - no i dont want to do erotic role play fuck off
15:43.57MonetDream Hachi confirmed to be a pokemon.
15:44.18ImperiosHachiman: ERP ERP ERP
15:44.36ImperiosHachi, lord of Goldshire
15:44.42HachimanOh fuck
15:44.58MonetPornshire*
15:45.07HachimanDoes anyone else remember that guy who brought up when he got banned from WoW for stuff involved in Goldshire
15:45.10Charles_MurrayThat takes skill
15:45.20Charles_MurrayYeah, I remember that
15:45.27MonetI mist have missed that.
15:45.36Charles_MurrayHe ran an erp guild
15:45.40OluapPlayerI don't pay attention to WoW
15:45.51Charles_MurrayWell no this was someone on Sporewiki
15:45.55ImperiosGoldshire is basically a small town in WoW where all the ERP was at
15:46.01Imperiosis at even
15:46.04Charles_Murrayis at*
15:46.09Charles_MurrayI checked, it's still there
15:46.13MonetOlaup knows Goldshire I'm sure
15:46.21OluapPlayerI don't
15:46.24MonetOh
15:46.28HachimanHe doesn't play WoW
15:46.29HachimanOr ever did
15:46.46MonetI thought he would have at least heard of it.
15:46.52OluapPlayerNope
15:47.02MonetThen you are blessed.
15:47.15OluapPlayerOnly significant incidents in WoW I know of are Leeroy Jenkins and the Corrupted Blood plague
15:47.31ImperiosWell
15:47.36ImperiosCan't say you've lost that much
15:47.38MonetEven Kalcedia might avoid Goldshire it's so deplorable.
15:47.45HachimanJenkins got old for me but I always laugh at the Corrupted Blood plague
15:48.15MonetI'm using Corrupted Blood as a case study in my dissertation.
15:48.23HachimanLog on and there are fucking skeletons of dead PCs all over the place
15:48.28OluapPlayerAlso you're fooling yourself if you think there's only one place where people erp in such a large game
15:48.53MonetGoldshire's the largest den of it by far.
15:48.56ImperiosIt's only one place, but Goldshire is the heart
15:49.34Charles_MurrayYou walk in there and there's basically naked characters all over the screen
15:49.41MonetI've had ERPers run in on meetings while I was in the Royal Court in Stormwind.
15:49.48ImperiosGeography-wise, Goldshire is close to the faction capital, but also does not have any real amenities
15:49.59ImperiosSo it has no use for non-RPers, but is easy to access
15:50.06Charles_MurrayIf it was IRL and characters couldn't just run through each other, the room would be packed wall to wall with naked people squished against each other
15:50.52MonetI used to play on Argent Dawn and yeah the tavern was constantly packed with creepy perverts.
15:51.25HachimanI remember one incident where there was a raid boss who would essentially turn your pets into time bombs and then players would teleport them back to hubs and such
15:51.32HachimanAnd end up killing people out of nowhere
15:51.38Charles_Murrayolol
15:52.04ImperiosBasically like an irl infection
15:52.23HachimanMore like a terrorist attack
15:52.25Charles_MurrayI remember during Cataclysm, blizzard was flooded with messages urging them to leave Stormwind Park alone and instead obliterate Goldshire
15:52.30HachimanI mean time bombs as in actual explosions
15:52.42Charles_MurrayThey were denied
15:52.59Hachimanhur
15:53.27ImperiosHachiman: Wait , are you referring to the Corrupted Blood incident?
15:53.29MonetI miss the park.
15:53.44HachimanI brought up the Corrupted Blood incident but this is different
15:54.24MonetThere was a RP-run tavern in the park district I used to visit, it was nice until Deathwing sat on it.
15:55.09HachimanDoes anyone remember those bosses that actually roamed the world and then people would manage to lure them to Stormwind and such
15:55.20HachimanAnd cause untold amounts of destruction
15:55.37MonetI do.
15:55.39ImperiosHachiman: Kazzak
15:55.52ImperiosI did not play Alliance until recently so I don't remember it
15:56.00ImperiosI remember Gamon wreaking havoc though
15:56.33ImperiosThere was one tauren that rogues had to steal something from for one of their quests
15:56.38ImperiosIn Orgrimmar, one of the game's largest cities
15:56.41Monet"Some people just want to watch the [game]world break."
15:56.50ImperiosAnd since he could be pickpocketed, he could also be attacked
15:56.56ImperiosSo people used to kill him constantly
15:57.13ImperiosBlizzard responded by making him a boss basically
15:57.25MonetIn Siege of Orgrimmar right?
15:58.53MonetI love Blizz's sense of humour.
15:59.29ImperiosMonet: Nah, a boss in actual game Orgrimmar
15:59.35ImperiosIt happened in Cata
15:59.42ImperiosHe used to be a 10 level normal mob
15:59.51ImperiosThey made him a 85 level elite
16:00.15ImperiosHe is in Siege though, but he is an ally that must be saved from one of the bosses
16:00.31ImperiosSiege is a bit depressing if you're Horde in general
16:00.40ImperiosYou know Admiral Taylor?
16:00.47ImperiosOne of the bosses is his Horde counterpart
16:00.57ImperiosThe guy that gave you quests
16:02.18MonetRight
16:02.44Charles_MurrayIf I went back to WoW, I would probably go Horde
16:02.51Charles_Murraysince I spent so much time on Alliance
16:04.16HachimanOh God
16:04.23HachimanI just remembered the 'funeral raid' incident
16:06.56HachimanA player had a stroke while she was playing her mage character in WoW and her guild members decided that they'd hold a memorial service for her on the server she frequented - which was then interrupted by another guild that turned the service into a battlefield
16:07.25HachimanAnd began things by assassinating the dead girl's character which her guild mates had managed to log into for the service
16:14.21MonetThat's rough
16:15.58MonetCharles_Murray: Alliance were okay.
16:18.01ImperiosCharles_Murray: That was my logic when I went Alliance
16:18.17Tek0516If I remember the stories wasn't the funeral stuff being held while completely unequiped in a combat area?
16:18.21MonetAlthough there was this perception the Alliance was all little kids.
16:26.24ImperiosMonet: I remember back during Cata there were giant faction fights
16:26.34ImperiosOut of universe at least
16:36.18Wormy_<PROTECTED>
16:36.37Wormy_Maybe we could encourage him to join us
16:38.56TechnobliteratorI'm uh
16:39.01Technobliteratorpretty sure that wiki breaks the Terms of Use
16:40.30*** join/#sporewiki Xho (97e0b138@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.224.177.56)
16:40.43Technobliteratoryeah
16:40.50TechnobliteratorThat wiki is breaking the terms of use
16:41.42OluapPlayerspu
16:41.44Wormy_How so?
16:42.30TechnobliteratorYou're not actually allowed to have pages that wide
16:42.31MonetThere are A loooot of images that looked like they were plucked straight from Google Images.
16:42.42TechnobliteratorAnd they use CSS to make it wider
16:42.52TechnobliteratorAlso, that would also break ToU if they're doing that illegally
16:43.07Xhoskko
16:43.08TechnobliteratorI don't intend to report them or anything, becuase that's being a jackass
16:43.14Wormy_We did ask wikia to extend the width of some of our namespaces, maybe they are lucky?#
16:43.28OluapPlayerXho: Me and Jo need you for Reckoning stuff
16:43.31TechnobliteratorBut Wikia Staff would probably remove the code that makes their pages wider if they did it
16:43.47TechnobliteratorI mean, they'll get away with it as long as Wikia don't find out
16:43.48Technobliterator:P
16:43.59Technobliteratorand yeah
16:44.10Xhoy
16:44.19OluapPlayerneed dialog for Kicath councillor
16:44.24Xhoew
16:44.25Xhoalright
16:45.35Wormy_Jo:  I think it was only user generated content pages that had a slight width extension, since it was all about space for adverts in the first place
16:45.49Technobliteratoryeah
16:45.57Wormy_I'm irritated how short my Recent Works page
16:45.57TechnobliteratorIt's because Creature, Fiction etc are non-content namespaces
16:46.18TechnobliteratorSo because they aren't supposed to get much traction, they aren't given the extra ad space
16:46.35TechnobliteratorAlso, their main admin is a Kanye West fan
16:46.37Technobliterator\o/
16:49.35HachimanYeezus
16:51.18Wormy_fishsticks
16:54.32Xhorecovering
17:18.18*** join/#sporewiki dino82_ (d42988b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.41.136.178)
17:19.46Monethello
17:19.59XhoHachiman: IDubbbz' I'M GAY thing just cracks me up
17:20.07HachimanI'M GAY
17:20.43dino82_hi
17:20.48OluapPlayerHey dino
17:20.55dino82_Hi :D
17:20.57OluapPlayerMe and Jo need you for fiction
17:21.20dino82_Sure!
17:21.24dino82_On this channel?
17:21.27OluapPlayerYeah
17:22.04OluapPlayerBasically Da Rogue Boyz are defeated and are put on trial. We'd like to know if a representative of Rambo Nation could make a statement about what they think should be done with them
17:22.16dino82_Sure!
17:22.31OluapPlayerYou can just leave it here and we'll add it to the trial
17:22.32dino82_I think the Hand of hte Monarch would do that, or the current monarch of that time
17:22.47dino82_At thtat time is was still Rambarth
17:23.02OluapPlayerIt can be him sure
17:24.23dino82_Rambarth, on the point of Rambo Nation would want justice and would demand a fair and just trail for the Rougue Boyz. They should give up their spoils of war so that the damaged nations could rebuild the damage done by them and pay those victims of the Rogue Boyz.
17:24.38dino82_He would like to see them locked up with no chance of early release
17:25.47OluapPlayerCan you put that in dialog form?
17:27.06ImperiosOluapPlayer Hachiman: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/41/Indoctinate_Emblem.png/revision/latest?cb=20160912172646 ...I am not sure if that works
17:27.23OluapPlayerI like it
17:27.37OluapPlayerIt's got a little atom on it, that's a nice symbol
17:27.41OluapPlayerAlso good colours
17:28.08ImperiosDo you think the crown and axe work? I added them to show that it is still a monarchy and ruled by a pretty ancient dynasty
17:28.11dino82_*'''Rambarth''': ''"At behalf of people of Rambo Nation, I am authorized to give the following statements. As a Nation, we demand the Rogue Boyz get a fair and just trail. Should they be found guilgy, in wich I have no doubt we would like to see this Court demand the Loron to give up their spoils of War so that those fallen victim can rebuild the damage done to them. Further more, in case of guilty we would like to see their impr
17:28.21ImperiosHence the ancient symbols
17:28.32OluapPlayerThey do yeah
17:28.40dino82_release. If these demands are honored, the Rambo would not further prosecute or hunt down any Loron as long as they do not harm us again. "''
17:28.51OluapPlayerdino82_: It got cut off at "we would like to see"
17:28.52XhoOluapPlayer: You wouldn't be able to give me the TF2 sound files would ya
17:29.08OluapPlayernigga u askin me about several GBs
17:29.09Imperiosshould the atom crown be canon for Maryah now?
17:29.11OluapPlayerJust use your own
17:29.14Xhonew computer
17:29.18Xhoi don't have any
17:29.24OluapPlayerDownload the game then dingus
17:29.32Xhobut wut
17:29.39dino82_@oluap: What do you mean cut off?
17:29.43OluapPlayerImperios: Can't see why not
17:29.47OluapPlayerdino82_: Your sentence got cut off
17:30.05ImperiosAlso since my emblems become more and more cramped up
17:30.20ImperiosI think I'll take the central elements of their
17:30.31Imperios*their central elements and make small neat logos out of them
17:30.35dino82_yeah I couldn't type anymore, rest is just below with start of: release, if these demands are honored. The Rambo would not further prosecute or hunt down any Loron as they as they do not harm us again."''
17:31.02ImperiosSo that they could be recognisable as small pictures
17:31.02OluapPlayer"Further more, in case of guilty we would like to see their impr"
17:31.08OluapPlayerWhat did you mean to write there?
17:31.22XhoOluapPlayer: I thought the sound files couldn't be used after that Steampipe fiasco
17:31.32ImperiosOluapPlayer: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/6a/Indoc_Logo.png/revision/latest?cb=20160912173108 Like this
17:31.35OluapPlayerYou thought wrong
17:32.04ImperiosFor bigger pictures, use the greater emblem, for miniportrait-sized stuff, use the logo
17:32.07OluapPlayerJust download GCFScale and extract the sounds like normal
17:32.19OluapPlayerImperios: I see
17:33.15ImperiosAlso about the flags
17:33.37ImperiosAFAIU you wanted this flag http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/77/Indoctrinate_State_Flag.png/revision/latest?cb=20160912173318
17:33.46ImperiosBut I personally liked this flag http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/c2/Indoctrinate_National_Flag.png/revision/latest?cb=20160912173317
17:33.49ImperiosSo I thought
17:34.01dino82_@oluap: without a change of early release.
17:34.17ImperiosWhat if the Collective has a state/royal flag and a national flag; one used by government/royal institutions, the other by simple citizens
17:34.19OluapPlayerRight thanks
17:34.20ImperiosTo show patriotism
17:34.38ImperiosA few countries have this
17:34.45OluapPlayerCan do
17:35.50ImperiosBTW if you did not notice, the state flag has 21 triangles in total
17:35.57Imperios18 red triangles and 3 blue triangles in the center
17:36.04ImperiosFor 21 Indoc species
17:36.24OluapPlayerThat's a good detail
17:37.34ImperiosNow I wish I became a designer rather than a linguist
17:37.56OluapPlayerNow I just need Cyrannian's statement and we can publish the trial
17:39.11MonetImperios: You could keep "designer" as a side interest.
17:39.29MonetOr you could take it up as a secondary profession.
17:41.15dino82_@oluap: Great!
17:43.39OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Indoctrinate_Collective looks prettier now
17:49.40MonetThey just released system specs for Mafia III - it's a 50GB game
17:50.02OluapPlayerfat game
17:51.36ImperiosYiy
17:52.18MonetHalf the map will be taken up by an expansive Bayou.
17:53.23MonetIt's...kind of hilarious that you can theoretically go into the bayou, call for gang support, have them follow you into the water then watch them get munched by gators.
17:54.31ImperiosI've been thinking
17:54.52ImperiosThe Indocs should probably become PCA councillors at some poiint
17:55.29OluapPlayerThey can't, PCA is for Borealis natives only
17:55.48MonetBut Kicath.
17:55.55MonetHow they get in?
17:56.02OluapPlayerRemnant is a Borealis-native government
17:56.34MonetSo they're in by technically being an organisation native to Borealis.
17:56.40OluapPlayerYes
18:07.09ImperiosBut Indocs moved into Borealis now
18:07.41OluapPlayerSo did the Junction
18:07.47OluapPlayerYet they're not native to Borealis
18:07.58ImperiosAh
18:10.14MonetLoopholes.
18:12.42OluapPlayerI don't intend to add anymore councillors either. I think 7 is a large enough number to stop at
18:15.08Imperiosrite
18:31.33ImperiosWormy_: We had to translate news about North Korea on our English lesson today
18:31.48ImperiosI'll find tha article now
18:32.11ImperiosWormy_: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/11/north-korea-demands-recognition-as-legitimate-nuclear-state-pyongyang That one
18:32.33ImperiosI had to help with East Asian names and their pronounciation
18:32.49Imperios>“Obama is trying hard to deny the DPRK’s [North Korea’s] strategic position as a legitimate nuclear weapons state but it is as foolish an act as trying to eclipse the sun with a palm,”
18:32.53ImperiosThat one was best
18:32.55Wormy_Interesting
18:33.02ImperiosIt was hilarious
18:33.15ImperiosWe had to recite all these DPRK claims in front of the whole group
18:33.21Wormy_lol
18:33.23Imperios"The group of Obama’s running around and talking about meaningless sanctions until today is highly laughable, when their ‘strategic patience’ policy is completely worn out and they are close to packing up to move out"
18:33.28Imperios^ that, but IN RUSSIAN
18:33.53Hachimancyka blyat
18:34.46Wormy_NK statements and propaganda are bizzare.  I found a video of Kim I'l Sung visiting families in a new flat.  He gifts them a single matchbox, then one of the daughters starts crying in what appeared to be admiration.  Though many joked it was something-else in the comment section
18:34.57Wormy_*I'll
18:37.07dino82_test
18:51.41ImperiosHachiman OluapPlayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRv-7vru4tk I fucking love the start of this video
18:52.16OluapPlayerDon't get it
18:53.55MonetThe face was Chris Metzen.
19:00.24Monethttp://aggronaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Anduin2.jpg so this is Anduin now.
19:01.23MonetApart from inheriting his dad's taste in haircuts. Bloody hell did he become a man.
19:03.10ImperiosI really do not want him to become a warmonger though
19:03.25ImperiosBlizz should not bend over to fans and warp lore for no reasom
19:03.39ImperiosLet him be more strong-willed but still pacifist
19:05.07MonetHe might prioritise any aggression on the legion.
19:07.20MonetRemember Impy he was named after Anduin Lothar. THe lion of Stormwind, its greatest general and champion.
19:09.44MonetWait Anduin can't become like his father - he's studying the path of the Holy Light.
19:12.03ImperiosMonet: Haven't read books about WC1, the only Anduin Lothar I know is Travis Fimmel hur
19:12.03GhelI see from the logs that there was a discussion about Chaos Energy a couple of days ago when I inconveniently wasn't here to take part.
19:14.16MonetImperios: There's a statue to Lothar in the Blasted Lands where he is pointing his sword heroically to Blackrock mountain.
19:14.22dino82_legion is great, nice story and cinematics
19:14.57ImperiosTrue but I do not want him to become a fierce general who fights up front and person
19:15.00Imperiospersonal
19:15.03Imperios*frontline general
19:15.26MonetI'm not sure he will
19:15.33ImperiosEven if he wil leventually turn out to lead the Alliance, he shouldn't be walking around with a sword and all that
19:15.39ImperiosYeah I hope so as well
19:15.42ImperiosAnother thing
19:15.47ImperiosSylvanas as Warchief
19:15.57ImperiosI REALLY hope it will last one expansion at best
19:16.38ImperiosSylvanas has hordes of fanboys because of her tits and Vol'jin does not, but that does not mean she must be the supreme leader of the Horde
19:17.01ImperiosI personally would like to see Vol'jin become more important and fleshed out throughout the expansion
19:17.20MonetVol'jin doesn't look too good in the cinematics
19:23.21ImperiosExactly, they just wasted him instead of caring to develop him
19:23.23XhoOluapPlayer: Well managed to re-attain all the files, Scout has a total of 738 sounds now
19:23.42ImperiosInstead they put a well-know fanservice extra with, pardon the pun, a horde of fanboys
19:23.47OluapPlayerYou extracted every sound from the files?
19:23.48ImperiosEven thoughe she does not fit with the Horde's ideals
19:23.53Xhoyup
19:24.05OluapPlayerI only extract sounds when I need them for videos
19:24.15Xhoo rly
19:24.27XhoI extract them all and then store them in class-named folders
19:26.50dino82_Sylvanas rocks as Horde Leader, they need a fine and firm woman hand to lead them after the disasters that went before them. As for Anduin, I actually hope to see more of the other leaders of the Alliance (like not in Legion, I alwasy felt Varian was quite on the front row, even though eh is a great characters)
19:26.59dino82_Now more Valeera Sanguinar and Broll Bearmantle!
19:27.24XhoOluapPlayer: 7,887 files in total
19:27.51dino82_The leader of the Bloodelves is a interessting character as well
19:27.56dino82_as well as the new nightborne
19:28.12MonetLor'themar Theron?
19:28.18Monet(was that him?)
19:29.01Wormy_Imperios:  Klingons vs Nazis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMWcFuCOoOM
19:29.02Imperiosdino82_: Problem is... well...
19:29.04ImperiosShe's Forsaken
19:29.10ImperiosYou can't put a Forsaken in charge of the Horde
19:29.12Wormy_brb dinner
19:29.13ImperiosForsaken aren't even Horde
19:29.13dino82_I think it was him yeah
19:29.16ImperiosThey're like Horde allies
19:29.19dino82_@Omerios: Why not! They are ruthless!
19:29.28dino82_The undead will rule!
19:29.31ImperiosRuthless but in a different way to the original WC3 horde
19:29.53ImperiosA sly schemer fits the Alliance more
19:31.22dino82_Haha perhaps, or what of Sylvanas as Alliance leader?
19:34.12ImperiosMy point is, Sylvanas's character can be summed up, more or less, as "sly"
19:34.39ImperiosA sly manipulator (Gul'dan) is exactly what the Horde tried to distance itself from
19:38.56dino82_True, she is very very cunning :D
19:39.07dino82_and anything beyond trustworthy
19:39.37DrodoEmpiretest
19:39.44OluapPlayergarithos was right all along
19:41.33OluapPlayerImperios: I forgot to ask. Does the text in the Indoc emblem mean anything?
19:42.06ImperiosOluapPlayer: It's coded "Sapere aude vincere"
19:42.13Imperios"Dare to know, and conquer"
19:42.13OluapPlayerwat dat
19:42.16OluapPlayerAh
19:42.20OluapPlayerThat's fitting
19:42.22ImperiosOr succeed or something
19:42.39OluapPlayerAlternatively it actually says "Bill Nye the Science Guy"
19:43.50Xhospace
19:44.20Hachimanneeds more astrophysics black guy
19:44.37OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/C4cIv.jpg I'm sure we can make this fit the wiki somehow
19:46.16Hachimanolol
19:46.38ImperiosOluapPlayer: I kind of hope/expect that Blizzard bring Garithos back as a Forsaken general
19:46.58OluapPlayergarithos did nothing wrong
19:48.51ImperiosKills everyone all while lamenting the fact that he is no longer human
19:49.13ImperiosNow I want to make a Garithos expy for the Fantasyverse
19:49.22ImperiosOh wait I already have made an entire empire of Garithoses
19:49.30OluapPlayerThe entire Empire of Man is already Garithos
19:49.33OluapPlayerdam ninjad
19:49.34ImperiosGarithoi
19:57.13HachimanGarithoi Themek
19:57.26OluapPlayergross
20:00.27ImperiosHachiman: Racism energy
20:00.46HachimanTHE POWER OF HUMAN SUPREMACY
20:20.18dino82_have to go
20:20.19dino82_bye bye
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20:31.00Wormy__That was definitely an ape.
20:31.16Wormy__Don't call a monkey an ape and expect it to be kind.
20:31.28Wormy__(other way around)
20:32.30OluapPlayerwat u on about
20:32.42OluapPlayerOh the monkey with a gun
20:32.56Wormy__Aye
20:33.41Wormy__Bad joke is bad
20:33.56Wormy__Moving on, I think fiction reading day was a success.
20:34.31Wormy__Surprised more stuff wasn't added though
20:35.16DrodoEmpireYeah
20:35.23DrodoEmpireStill a new thing but I liked it
20:35.46OluapPlayerI had nothing to add
20:37.51MonetDoes it have to be new stuff though?
20:37.58Wormy__Not all
20:38.06Wormy__*not at all
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20:39.22Wormy__In Better Times (2012) and Halcyon Preview (over a year old)
20:39.26Wormy__hi
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20:41.14The_RandomnessHello
20:42.46HachimanHi
20:42.54HachimanImperios Xho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Doctrina_Venefica#22.2F11.2F34:_Being_Normal_For_Once A more casual section
20:44.54HachimanAlso Imp your stuff gets mentioned again
20:45.06OluapPlayerImperios: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/147/072/d35.jpeg sweet jesus just look at the time
20:46.02Tek0516http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1473690763-20160912.png
20:47.06ImperiosOluapPlayer: But how can it deus vult if it operates using filthy computer AL-GORITHMS
20:47.23Imperios>Teael - He brought up the whole... human... thing. And I got pissed off.
20:47.26OluapPlayerhur
20:47.27Imperios#HumanLivesMatter
20:53.09MonetImperios: I read that as Al Gore-ithms.
20:53.46MonetA clock that warns of the dangers of climate change.
20:55.04OluapPlayerTIME TO WORK, SMELL THE FOSSIL FUELS YOU'VE BEEN BURNING YOU DIRTY ASSHOLE
20:55.33MonetAl Goreclock got on the wrong side of bed.
20:59.31Xho"Heilen - Sure. Next you'll say you also killed the Adversary."               Caligaduro - just u wait u lil shit
21:01.37Xhohttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/89/SpaceEye.png/revision/latest?cb=20160912210104 Got bored and made a space eye
21:01.56OluapPlayerpoke
21:02.51MonetI see a shadowy being just underneath the centre.
21:05.56Wormy__Xho:  Makes me think of https://youtu.be/NFTaiWInZ44?t=2m18s
21:06.13Xhooh god
21:06.32XhoSantorakh - bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah      bwwwaaaahhh
21:07.47Wormy__Is that how universes are born?
21:08.09XhoMaybe
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21:23.39TybusenWormy__: Are you thinking of getting the Station Halcyon revival going again?
21:24.57Wormy__Well that may be possible for me yet, but I have been making some improvements.
21:25.03Wormy__*that may not
21:25.30ImperiosHi Tybu
21:25.37Wormy__I do plan on focusing with Halcyon as soon asa I'm ready
21:26.43Wormy__Also thinking it could be featured in a new galaxy every series
21:27.26TybusenHm, interesting
21:27.59TybusenThe moving it to a new galaxy would be interesting from both an in-universe and a storytelling perspective
21:28.06Xhongh halcyon
21:28.22TybusenObviously changing the backdrop allows it to explore different themes for each "season"
21:28.24Wormy__Indeed, and it gives it more opportunity for collaboration
21:28.39Wormy__Not everyone has equal access to each galaxy
21:28.54TybusenAnd in-universe it reflects Halcyon's origins as a big international project shared by the SSA
21:29.03Wormy__Indeed
21:29.51Wormy__Series 2 will focus on the years between the annihilation and now, perhaps only focusing on important elements, like a series of specials.  Series 3 can pick off a new, possibly in a new galaxy
21:30.06TybusenS1 was in Galaxon and S2 looks like it'll be in Cyrannus, so where S3 ends up will be interesting
21:30.14MonetI still have m reservations about moving Halcyon to Cyrannus.
21:30.36XhoI have reservations on Halcyon in general
21:30.36Wormy__Hence, the possibility of it moving about the universe.
21:30.50Wormy__How come?
21:31.00XhoIt keeps dying and keeps on reviving and I'm surprised it hasn't shattered under that predicate yet
21:31.27Wormy__Only because I've abandoned it, but it has played some important roles alreay.
21:31.49TybusenMaybe we could make the GXS era a separate season and move Halcyon to the Milky Way during that season? We were talking before how it would be interesting to see GXS from the perspective of the Halcyon crew
21:31.55Wormy__However if I move my focus to using Halcyon like a conduit (like I've done with Recent works), it could be revived
21:32.50Wormy__Not really possible now, since the ending of GXS made Cyrannus a safe place for the Treaty of Halyon
21:33.06Wormy__But it can still serve that role
21:33.09TybusenI think Halcyon's repeated deaths mainly come from the fact that a lot of the original contributors are no longer on the Wiki
21:33.17Wormy__Indeed
21:33.20MonetI'm not keen on Halcyon's current location because I'd hardly consider just outside of CyraEmp space 'neutral territory'
21:33.37TybusenRight, I guess it would make more sense to keep Halcyon out of the GXS bloodbath zone
21:34.05Wormy__It isn't, hence series 2 Halcyon will have to survive the Dark Times and masnipulation from the Empire all on its own.  An interesting narrative, no?
21:34.07MonetWormhole travel is also tightly controlled in Cyrannus.
21:34.30TybusenI think the shadow of the Empire looming over Halcyon would be interesting from a narrative perspective
21:34.57TybusenAnd maybe the reason that Halcyon gets moved from Cyrannus later on is because of the Cold War?
21:35.18MonetThe shadow of the Empire could be a good reason the station moves again.
21:35.27TybusenAs in, Halcyon becomes at-risk of becoming a battleground between Imperial and Republic influences
21:36.35MonetEven before the cold war starts you have multiple leadership personalities outside Cyrannia who feel the Empire is too close to the station for comfort.
21:37.45XhoOluapPlayer: "Sims is great, became Vice President by making 10 friends and reading 1 book then died by lighting a firework in the house. Top game."
21:37.59OluapPlayerAccurate
21:38.06Wormy__The purpose of Halcyon would be to try and keep the peace between the Republic and Empire, but if it is in dangerous of becoming a flashpoint, it is better off moving.
21:38.57Wormy__All of this might explain why S2 Halcyon has to survive on its own
21:39.13TybusenI think the Empire's monopoly on influence in Cyrannus during the Dark Times would also contribute to Halcyon not being able to move during that time
21:39.23Wormy__But maybe with S3 Halcyon, it moves and picks up more international interest
21:40.00TybusenS3 Halcyon would definitely pick up a lot of international interest, with the Cold War heating up and the Xonexi Golden Age starting up
21:40.10XhoSo it's gotten to the point in time where I'm scrolling back the year tab
21:40.12Xhoit begins
21:40.47MonetThinking about it, while Halcyon is in Cyrannus is also when GITO emerges as a key trading organisation.
21:41.15TybusenS2 Halcyon is probably stuck in Cyrannus because the Empire is unchallenged there and no one wants to risk angering the Empire by moving to relocate the station
21:41.51TybusenEmergence of the Republic and Xonexi blocs who are willing to stand up to the Empire could give Halcyon an opportunity to relocate somewhere new
21:42.11MonetYeah.
21:42.45Wormy__Speaking of which, I ponder if the DCP can now begin to side its loyalty with the New Republic what with the death of the Undying Council.
21:42.48MonetFor now I think Araveene is becoming something of a replacement melting pot due to GITO.
21:45.11TybusenI'm not sure whether Captain Valerie is a Republic or Imperial sympathizer but the two other major characters who are still there for S2 will probably belong to anti-Imperial factions by S3 if the DCP becomes pro-Republic
21:45.44MonetSo in retrospect the interim central mixing point of the gigaquadrant isn't in any better a position. So I'm happy the political consequences of sitting right outside the evil empire that is the CyraEMp.
21:45.58Monetare considered.
21:47.05TybusenConsidering Halcyon's status in-universe as a symbol of international accord, its state during S2 certainly reflects a lot of the contemporary events of the era
21:47.39TybusenActually now that I think of it, Annihilation to GXS conclusion is a really damn long time
21:47.52Xho>international accord
21:48.04XhoI have a feeling the Gigaquadrant's gonna blow again soon
21:48.29TybusenI think Annihilation predates Monet's presence on the Wiki
21:48.36TybusenTo put things in perspective
21:48.39MonetOnly just.
21:48.47Wormy__Its about 20-30 years
21:49.11MonetI appeared in September 2011.
21:49.28Monetso I must have come what, one, two months after the Annihilation?
21:49.33TybusenOut-of-universe that's almost 5 years worth of fiction events to cover
21:49.36XhoI think so
21:49.40Wormy__2782 (annihilation)  2785 (Halcyon discovered) Xonexi Golden Age (2806)
21:49.50Tybusen5 years of fiction
21:50.02TybusenThat's more than half of the Fiction Universe's lifetime
21:50.33TybusenIt will be a big undertaking
21:50.42Wormy__I could introduce Halcyon to the universe even later, since it fell out of a TARDIS-like rift created by the Va'Navitum
21:51.00Wormy__To say, just before the Empire formed
21:51.41Wormy__Or is that too easy
21:51.49TybusenIt might be interesting for Halcyon to reappear just after the Empire's formation, because Halcyon disappeared during the height of the GCW and they wouldn't know about how the War ended
21:52.00Wormy__True
21:52.04MonetBut yeah throughout S2 Andromeda transforms from Vartekian central into one of the most politically dominant galaxies in the modern gig.
21:52.36Wormy__What happened to Vartekian power in Andromeda?
21:52.54XhoAssimilated into the Empire
21:52.57XhoI think
21:53.02Wormy__Makes sense
21:53.17TybusenIt might be better to have Halcyon be reintroduced after the Empire has pissed off some people in the gig because then the Station crew has to figure out how the Republic/Confederacy turned into this massive militaristic Empire
21:53.23MonetFrom what I can tell, the Confederation of Andromeda went the way of the stagnency-era USSR.
21:54.01TybusenYeah, Vartekians joined the Confederacy and then the Empire, but lost a lot of their projection power in Andromeda
21:55.08Wormy__According to Banelord's timeline, the formation of the Empire was in 2790, so that subtracts 8 years at least
21:55.16TybusenHalcyon S2 starting between the formation of the Empire and the rise of the New Republic would be the most interesting because they're dealing with the darkest parts of the Dark Times without having any of the leading context
21:55.57TybusenPutting a longer gap between the Annihilation and Halcyon's reappearance would also introduce intrigue from outside observers who thought Halcyon was destroyed a long time ago
21:56.14Wormy__Ooh, yeah
21:56.16MonetI suppose it could be interesting for the Halycon residents to hear the Draconis - the reclusive lizards who preferred being observers of the SSA - not basically dominate Andromeda with the Radeons.
21:56.18XhoNeeds more Xhodocto
21:56.27XhoEverything needs more Xhodocto because
21:56.28Xhowell
21:56.33Monetnow basically*
21:57.15TybusenXho: Santorakh joins the crew as head medical officer
21:57.25MonetAndromeda's going to feel completely different to Halcyon's citizens.
21:58.19MonetActually wait yeah: Not only are the reclusive lizards and the holyrats Andromeda's leaders, both species are practically everywhere.
21:58.21XhoSantorakh - scalpel       check                      heart-to-cheese transplant is underway
21:58.23TybusenI don't remember if Hachi or Impy had crew members on Halcyon S1 but it would be interesting to see the reactions of Halcyon Zazane or Radeon to the formation of the AGC
21:59.16Wormy__I think we should do a vote on what galaxy Halcyon appears in next.  Andromeda's an obvious choice, but what about Tuuros, which could have the fiction universe enter a Renaissance of new fictions.
21:59.46XhoFourth Era -> Gigaquadrant goes to shit because they knocked on the wrong door
21:59.52TybusenTuuros would be interesting from a narrative standpoint but in-universe I can't see the justification for putting Halcyon in a dangerous frontier galaxy
22:00.02Wormy__Same
22:00.25TybusenThough from a narrative aspect it could really give Halcyon a big DS9 feel
22:01.16TybusenBeing uncomfortably close to hostile foreign powers
22:01.17Wormy__I think S3 Halcyon should continue the role of hyperspatial discovery as well.  I have some ideas about reviving Hachi's proposal of finding something alien in hyperspace, with great consequences
22:01.26Wormy__http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Recent_works#---_Future.3B_uncertain_---
22:01.31XhoSantorakh's cheese factory
22:02.12XhoOluapPlayer: "He was even more confused to find JonTron's butt in his face"
22:02.19Wormy__squeeky
22:02.23TybusenI'd honestly be fine with a Santorakh cheese factory encounter as a non sequitir comic relief chapter
22:02.53OluapPlayerAre you gonna comment everything I do on twitter
22:03.00Xhoyes
22:03.03OluapPlayerdoi
22:03.28XhoI only have 14 followers and 13 of them shitpost
22:03.32TybusenAn alternate Halcyon appears that's Santorakh's cheese factory, rounds up 10% of Halcyon's population and turns them into cheese, disappears and never comes back
22:03.37XhoI mean I only follow 14
22:04.27XhoI don't think a Xhodocto story like that would work
22:04.40XhoActually Xhodocto in fiction now sort of doesn't work
22:05.17XhoUnless they come across some hyperspatial demonic aberration then it would work sort of
22:05.52XhoOluapPlayer: So where's the job interview at
22:06.11OluapPlayerA computer techy place
22:06.22Xhodem hardwares
22:06.37XhoEh well you got experience so that counts
22:07.28MonetXho: How many are you following
22:07.34Xho14
22:07.39XhoI got 6 followers
22:07.41Wormy__Its quite possible they do.  Maybe Chaos monsters or something
22:07.46GhelawaySurely Santorakh's cheese factory would be a hyperspatial demonic aberration, especially if it's used in the context of finding something alien in hyperspace.
22:08.10XhoSantorakh - hyperspace cheese               it's actually a buzzword for a dimensional superweapon
22:08.47MonetXho: I'm tracking...528. It's as mad as it sounds.
22:09.05TybusenHyperspace fog is actually just whey leftover from Santo's cheese production facilities
22:09.27Wormy__Or bits of dried cheese powder you get in an old packet
22:09.39Wormy__I'm told that's caused by tiny mites living in it
22:09.49TybusenHyperspace fog confirmed for Cheetos dust
22:09.52GhelawayTybusen: There are actually multiple levels on which that would make perfect sense.
22:10.04MonetThough I'm following people, journalists, game developers, studios, media groups, film studios etc.
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22:10.17Wormy__Cheese mites in this context could be chaos monsters
22:10.18GhelawayThis being the Xhodocto, that means we probably can't use it.
22:10.28CyrannianHai
22:10.31TybusenHello
22:10.32GhelawayHello.
22:10.44TybusenWe were just talking about cheese manufacturing in the context of hyperspace travel
22:10.59Wormy__Monet:  I use twitter to ask physicists and AI researchers annoying questions
22:11.05XhoI'd actually do something with Draguros because Draguros is massively underused
22:11.42XhoEven though in the updated canon he's in equal status to the rest of them
22:11.47MonetArsac - What was the last thing you did beside playing hackey-sack with an eye?
22:11.53CyrannianThat seems like a pretty typical conversation for sporewik
22:12.02TechnobliteratorOh, hey Cyrannian
22:12.04TechnobliteratorI had a quick question
22:12.19XhoDraguros - caused your existence to continue
22:12.20TybusenThough actually we're talking about a potential Halcyon revival
22:12.29Cyrannianrite, ask away
22:12.32MonetArsac - ...fair point.
22:12.37OluapPlayer~eat Cyrannian
22:12.39infobotACTION eats Cyrannian and falls over dead
22:12.42CyrannianSo I see, Wormy's been a busy bee
22:12.43TechnobliteratorSo, in the conclusion of Da Reckoning, the Loron are put on trial, can you submit a statement from the Republic as to what they think should happen to them?
22:12.46Cyrannian~tickle OluapPlayer
22:12.46infobotACTION jumps on OluapPlayer, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!"
22:12.48Wormy__I'm too jelly to update Emperor, woops Pope Wormulus's pages, which have barely bee touched since 2010. Imagine all the links I'd have to fix renaming him too
22:12.49GhelWhich reminds me, we still haven't finished The Halcyon Scheme.
22:13.12TybusenWormy__: papa wormuloso
22:13.26Wormy__hur
22:13.40CyrannianTechnobliterator: Sure, I'll think of something. As for the end of the Republic campaign, I'm free to work on it now if you are
22:13.46Wormy__Full title "The Venerable and Amaranthine Wormulus II the exalted Idol and Father of and for the Delpha Coalition of Planets"
22:14.11XhoCondensed down to 'emperor guy'
22:14.29TechnobliteratorI'm busy tonight, but the rest of this week I'm mostly free
22:14.46CyrannianWormy__: Whatever happened to Bo Ramik, he was my favourite DCP warlord
22:15.04XhoDraguros' page needs some working over
22:15.11XhoIn fact all of the Xhodocto pages need working over
22:15.17Wormy__He left the Delpha Coalition of Planets many years ago, he could see the oncoming storm.
22:15.30MonetXho: Git ta werk.
22:15.33Wormy__But he might return with Lunarai changing things
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22:16.20GhelHello.
22:16.20XhoNeed a quote for Draguros then
22:16.24CyrannianHai Liquid
22:17.21Wormy__I thought about Bo Ramik coming back either in Entropic Dalek or Voidwalker
22:17.34Wormy__Possibly to fight Tricarrion once and again.
22:17.48TybusenXho: "It's not like I'm not destroying the universe right now because I like you, idiot" ~Draguros
22:17.54Wormy__Who reeturne in Mass Armageddon briefly
22:18.00Xhokek
22:18.43Wormy__If he comes back in Entropic Dalek he ought to appear like the Doctor
22:18.52Wormy__out of nowhere
22:19.10XhoHachiman: Make Draguros quote now
22:20.25Liquid_InkHello everybody
22:20.33Wormy__Hey
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22:21.00Quark8Hello.
22:21.26GhelHello.
22:21.44Wormy__hi
22:21.59Hachiman"Konnichiwa~! Watashi no namae wa Duragurosu-desu~!"
22:22.20Xhofukn
22:22.24OluapPlayerDraguros - nani
22:22.38XhoSantorakh - duragurosu-chan~~~
22:23.06HachimanSantorakh - MASAKA     BAKARA
22:23.22XhoAngazhar - kisama
22:24.09OluapPlayerKrath - you're waifu a shit
22:24.35XhoSantorakh - dakimakura for days
22:24.54TybusenKrath - this is just a pillow filled with cheese
22:25.05XhoSantorakh - i know right
22:26.10TybusenSantorakh - Chiizu-senpai understands me, unlike the rest of you bakas
22:44.21XhoNo quotes then
22:47.16HachimanI'll think of something either soon or tomorrow
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23:13.10DrodoEmpireBack
23:21.31Tek0516Freaking facebook. Trying to use the mobile website for communicating with some classmates and every other click redirects me to download Facebook messenger. >.>
23:22.11HachimanTechnobliterator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpOvGVIDkrM
23:22.55HachimanA rather humorous channel with a fair number of videos talking about roadmen and the UK grime scene
23:23.18Technobliteratoroh bo
23:23.19Technobliteratory
23:26.52TechnobliteratorWhile I believe Sturgeon's law applies to grime music as with anything, I'm not really much of a fan of the genre
23:27.27Wormy__I get instantly bored watching videos of people talking while playing games.
23:27.37TechnobliteratorEh
23:27.44Wormy__Just me
23:27.45TechnobliteratorI think it's a good technique
23:28.35HachimanI like it myself
23:28.36DrodoEmpireYou mean commentary channels Wormy?
23:28.53HachimanIt means I don't have to watch most of the video and can have it play in the background and not miss much
23:29.00DrodoEmpireTrue
23:29.08TechnobliteratorYeah
23:29.19TechnobliteratorI like some channels that do that
23:29.26Wormy__yes
23:29.35TechnobliteratorI don't really watch many youtubers these days
23:31.16Hachimanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbIyAOhNRGs Another one that actually had me in stitches due to how bad the rapper is
23:31.59DrodoEmpireI like most commentary channels
23:32.09DrodoEmpireNot exactly high-brow but they aren't dumb either
23:33.02HachimanI don't like all commentary channels mind you; Pyrocinical and Memeulous are good in my opinion but Leafy and a couple others are pretty ech
23:33.13DrodoEmpireI actually don't mind Leafy
23:33.39DrodoEmpireI like Vexxed too, Sinnoh i think is good
23:33.44DrodoEmpireLuna's stories are pretty funny
23:33.46HachimanMainly because Leafy's repetitive and overly edgy and is very clearly overly-sensitive about his chin even though he builds his career on bullying people
23:34.24HachimanAnd he also relies on 'anti-insults' and repeating the same shit over and over again
23:34.47DrodoEmpireYeah I don't watch all that much of his content
23:35.01DrodoEmpireUsually just the rants
23:35.10DrodoEmpireThey tend to be pretty great
23:35.16TechnobliteratorSome commentary channels are pretty neat
23:35.21TechnobliteratorSome are just dumb
23:35.51TechnobliteratorGenerally, most YouTubers who do that kind of content have jumped on the trend of just being anti-tumblerSJWfeminaziwhatever now
23:36.00HachimanYeah
23:36.10TechnobliteratorWhile I agree with a lot of the points they make, it's really boring
23:36.25TechnobliteratorBecause literally every video does it
23:36.31DrodoEmpireThere're people who do it better yeah
23:36.59TechnobliteratorThunderf00t and sh0eonhead do a pretty good job refuting those types
23:37.11Hachimansh0eonhead is <3
23:37.13TechnobliteratorBut it's basically every youtuber that does it
23:37.20HachimanI'm a bit mixed about Thunderf00t
23:37.20DrodoEmpireYeah I like that whole community
23:37.31DrodoEmpireSargon and the sort (Hachi I know you hate Sargon you can blow me)
23:37.34DrodoEmpire<.<
23:37.40Hachimanhur
23:37.50HachimanSargon, the King of Meninists
23:37.51TechnobliteratorI'm not a Sargon fan
23:37.58Wormy__Thunderf00t's destroying my optimism for Elon Musk
23:38.05TechnobliteratorBut that might be because I disagree with a lot of his points
23:38.19DrodoEmpireEh perhaps
23:38.30TechnobliteratorI fully admit to being a TYT fan, though I acknowledge that sometimes they just put out stupid content
23:38.32Monet_2Wormy__: IN a way that's a good thing. Guy's adopted the California mentality.
23:38.43HachimanTYT?
23:38.43DrodoEmpireI've been completely turned away from TYT ..<
23:38.47DrodoEmpireThe Young Turks
23:38.49TechnobliteratorThe Young Turks
23:38.50HachimanAh
23:38.52DrodoEmpireI like Secular Talk though
23:38.53HachimanNever watched them so
23:38.57TechnobliteratorIndependent news channel
23:39.11DrodoEmpireI *love* Dave Rubin
23:39.13TechnobliteratorBasically, they're anti-establishment and pretty left wing, but sometimes they put out dumb videos
23:39.21TechnobliteratorWhich I imagine is what turned Drodo off
23:39.27TechnobliteratorI love Secular Talk, he's fantastic
23:39.31Monet_2I think Elon was one of the backers of the Seasteading initiative.
23:39.43DrodoEmpireTheir dumb videos and Cenk's being a bit of a belligerent dipshit yeah
23:39.53HachimanI was considering taking up watching Armoured Skeptic considering he's sh0e's boyfriend and work together a lot
23:39.56TechnobliteratorI like Cenk most of the time
23:39.58DrodoEmpireSkeptic'
23:40.02DrodoEmpire*Skeptic's great
23:40.06TechnobliteratorBut then there are times when he comes off as a douche
23:40.12Wormy__Sargon brings up some good points but I feel he does not handle topics with sensitivity and quite possibly doesn't examine the arguments enough other than ("There may be something wrong, but.").  Sorry but these issues need an intelligent discussion.  Also, both TF and Sargon attract a very right-wing audience, as seen when TF argued against Brexit and got a total surprise how his videos were panned
23:40.13DrodoEmpireFair enough
23:40.19TechnobliteratorSo while I support the channel, I understand why people like you wouldn't
23:40.38TechnobliteratorBecause sometimes they just don't do enough research or they just come off as waaaay too biased
23:40.38DrodoEmpireWormy__: Ehh I dunno
23:41.08TechnobliteratorThunderf00t doesn't really seem left or right wing, honestly
23:41.15TechnobliteratorI don't know why people equate anti-SJW with right wing
23:41.18DrodoEmpireI think he's pretty rigourous, nuanced
23:41.30DrodoEmpireWell anti-regressive and the sort's a broad alliance
23:41.35Wormy__He called the refugees "those fucking refugees" or something like that in the last video.  That isn't nuanced at all.
23:41.48TechnobliteratorI mean, anti-authoritarian left wing is basically just common sense at this point
23:41.50DrodoEmpireWay to take stuff outta context wormy
23:41.51Monet_2One possibility the radical left is presumed completely hijacked by social justice and political correctness.
23:41.56DrodoEmpireGood job 10/10
23:42.05Wormy__That wasn't to insult them, I know.  But it simplifies the whole situation by not examining it
23:42.07HachimanNow you're not being very nuanced :P
23:42.12TechnobliteratorThe radical left was insane anyway, Monet :P
23:42.22DrodoEmpireConsider the tone of voice and whatnot and his actual arguments regarduing that topic
23:42.24DrodoEmpireHe *has*
23:42.31DrodoEmpireYou're just berating him because bad word
23:43.02Wormy__I'm berating him because I feel these topics shouldn't be talked about lightly or in a factional way.
23:43.12Monet_2It's always the radicals people complain about.
23:43.20DrodoEmpireheaven forbid someone slip-up once, Wormy
23:43.23DrodoEmpire:p
23:43.28HachimanUsually because there's something to be said about radicals
23:43.33Wormy__You know I think people like Sargon actually *are* part of Outrage culture
23:43.39DrodoEmpireLook at his actual content on the matter instead of a tiny tiny part of a sentence
23:43.49TechnobliteratorWell, I mean, radical opinions tend to be receive more attention
23:43.51DrodoEmpireI disagree
23:43.52TechnobliteratorBecause they're crazy
23:44.01DrodoEmpire(@Wormy)
23:44.09Monet_2The more moderate left is a bit more balanced.
23:44.12TechnobliteratorThe only issue is when people equate those radical views with the non radicals
23:44.19TechnobliteratorOf course
23:44.35Monet_2But the moderate views are also less interesting to discuss.
23:44.37DrodoEmpireWell I mean yeah, but that doesn't mean the whole group is safe from criticism or their believe
23:44.39DrodoEmpire*beliefs
23:44.45TechnobliteratorI dislike anyone who equates a view point with the most radical version of it
23:44.58TechnobliteratorLiberals are communists, conservatives are nazis, libertarians are anarchists
23:44.59HachimanWhich is why this whole refugee crises and many Western views on modern Islam are such big problems right now
23:45.00Technobliteratorit's so dumb
23:45.00DrodoEmpireAnd if the moderates do little or nothing to combat the radical element they're not much better
23:45.12HachimanThat is, equating radical views and opinions with non-radicals
23:45.16Technobliteratoryeah, they need to call out their own side
23:45.27DrodoEmpireAnd if they aren't then that isn't good, and *someone* has to
23:45.34TechnobliteratorThis is why I like Secular Talk
23:45.35DrodoEmpirebecause the radicals are dangerous
23:45.40TechnobliteratorHe often calls out the radical left
23:45.43DrodoEmpireHe does
23:46.00Hachimanhttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13179229_277201079282525_3685225380761805467_n.png?oh=383df2c4f8d3de00b4405912d415c9f0&oe=584893BD
23:46.01TechnobliteratorTYT very occasionally do, but sometimes not enough
23:46.06Wormy__I'm not claiming Sargon isn't always nuanced.  Sometimes he is, sometimes he isn't, but I take what he says with a pinch of salt because his channel is essentially aimed at SJWs
23:46.20TechnobliteratorProbably my biggest issue is when TYT fail to do that
23:46.25Wormy__And I watch *alot* of his videos and will continue tp
23:46.25DrodoEmpireIts aimed at that a little yeah
23:46.28TechnobliteratorOr fail to do enough even handed research
23:46.37TechnobliteratorSecular Talk rarely has that issue
23:46.42Monet_2I've somewhat given up trying to work out where I sit on the left-right wing spectrum. It's grouping people for generalisation for one
23:46.46DrodoEmpireAnd that's fine, I can see how sometimes he isn't that nuanced
23:46.50TechnobliteratorOf course
23:46.53DrodoEmpireWhat I like is that he can change his mind easily though
23:46.58DrodoEmpireHe's far from dogmatic
23:47.06TechnobliteratorMonet_2, have you used https://www.politicalcompass.org/ ?
23:47.21DrodoEmpire(Also he's done videos on the alt-right too :p)
23:47.23Wormy__Yes, and sometimes he has said to his viewers that they should criticise everything he says, which I like.
23:47.30DrodoEmpireFor sure
23:47.32Technobliteratorugh, the alt-right
23:47.44DrodoEmpireThey're basically right-wing SJWs
23:47.53Monet_2Technobliterator: No. Though I don't feel the need to know where I sit.
23:47.54TechnobliteratorPersonally, I don't use the term alt-right, because it legitimises their point of view too much
23:47.58TechnobliteratorThey're basically neonazis
23:48.03DrodoEmpireExact same behavior and tactics
23:48.09TechnobliteratorI'd still recommend taking the test out of curiosity
23:48.09DrodoEmpireExact opposite political views
23:48.15TechnobliteratorThough I understand your point of view
23:48.20TechnobliteratorYep
23:48.29Hachiman>There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment.
23:48.33HachimanI don't quite understand
23:48.40TechnobliteratorInfotainment?
23:48.47TechnobliteratorIt's more of an American issue
23:49.02DrodoEmpireYeah news less made to inform so much as to entertain and rake in profits
23:49.10Monet_2Hachiman: The American election campaign is very aimed at looking entertaining
23:49.11DrodoEmpireReporting on what's popular rather than important
23:49.19TechnobliteratorYeah, basically
23:49.25Technobliteratordo they just cover Trump's stupid statements too much
23:49.34Technobliteratorand not cover Sanders' policy positions enough
23:49.47DrodoEmpireTrump's turned the infotainment thing to his advantage
23:49.47Technobliterator(not that his policy positions matter at this point, but while he was running they did)
23:49.49Technobliteratoryeah
23:50.05DrodoEmpireThe man's a *genius* as self-promotion, how could they be so stupid if so few people want him in?
23:50.07DrodoEmpire>.<
23:50.12DrodoEmpire*at self-promotion
23:50.20Monet_2Infotainment comes from studios' obsessive need for viewer retention. So documentaries, election debates and so on need to be more sensational, more dramatic.
23:50.46TechnobliteratorIt happens less in Britain because of the BBC
23:50.56Monet_2I like the BBC for that
23:51.12DrodoEmpireYeah Canadian news is boring, but relatively sane
23:51.18TechnobliteratorEven though the BBC has its issues, it's arguably better than corporate media
23:51.19DrodoEmpireWhich, again, is Canada in a sentence >.<
23:51.22Monet_2I don't really want to touch Sky because I think they might be trying to push an infotainment angle.
23:51.23Technobliterator:P
23:51.52TechnobliteratorAlso, to those who have used political compass, guess where I scored :o
23:52.17DrodoEmpireModerately Libertarian, left?
23:52.28DrodoEmpire(I'm left libertarian, more libertarian than left)
23:52.36DrodoEmpireSo basically a classical liberal
23:52.44TechnobliteratorNo, very libertarian (social issues), moderately left
23:52.49Technobliterator-5, -8
23:53.06TechnobliteratorI'm 2 points off completely libertarian on social issues
23:53.12DrodoEmpireCanada's so mind-numbingly devoid of interesting history and sparsely-populated with sites of interest considering its size
23:53.14DrodoEmpire>.<
23:53.16DrodoEmpireAhh, cool
23:53.23DrodoEmpireWelcome to the club <.<
23:53.27Technobliterator\o/
23:53.38Hachiman>Taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis.
23:53.43Hachimanhelp me understand pls
23:53.47TechnobliteratorSo, basically
23:54.05TechnobliteratorShould taxpayer money fund theaters or museums, or should they solely fund themselves?
23:54.20DrodoEmpireI dunno
23:54.24HachimanOoh that's difficult
23:54.28DrodoEmpireBoth are important for preserving culture
23:54.36TechnobliteratorAs in, if a theatre can't sell enough tickets to fund its maintenance and whatever
23:54.56Technobliteratorshould the local government spend taxpayer money on it or let it go bankrupt etc
23:55.00DrodoEmpireSo I say, depending on what it is specifically, yes
23:55.20Monet_2Taxes funding Museums I fully get behind. If they go commercial there's a chance that museum content could slide towards content that's more...entertainment-friendly.
23:55.22DrodoEmpireHistory museums or theatres that specialise in traditional or historical arts should be funded
23:55.39DrodoEmpireOtherwise yeah they'll begin to pander and that's no good
23:55.54Hachiman>Possessing marijuana for personal use should not be a criminal offence.
23:55.58HachimanNot sure where I stand on this
23:56.01Monet_2Or we get a situation like stadiums where they're funded by some gaint company.
23:56.01DrodoEmpireAbsolutely not
23:56.13DrodoEmpireYou should be able to *grow* that shit and sell it
23:56.16DrodoEmpireIf you want
23:56.29Monet_2The Millennium dome in London became the "O2 arena".
23:56.36DrodoEmpireOr rather, absolutely it shouldn't be criminal
23:57.13Hachiman>People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.
23:57.21HachimanIs it bad I chose Strongly Agree
23:57.30Technobliterator:V
23:57.32DrodoEmpireYes
23:57.32TechnobliteratorWe won't judge you for it
23:57.35DrodoEmpireNot kidding
23:57.36DrodoEmpireJust yes
23:57.39DrodoEmpire:p
23:57.56HachimanIt's the main reason *I* am not having kids
23:58.02DrodoEmpireThat's your choice
23:58.06Monet_2The biggest obstacle i'm seeing against the legalisation of marijuana is moral grounds. But honestly poisons like tobacco and alcohol are legal so why is pot illegal?
23:58.12DrodoEmpireAnd that's probably the responsible thing if you feel that way
23:58.15TechnobliteratorI put strongly agre on marijuana use not being a criminal offence
23:58.28DrodoEmpireBut people should be free to, eugenics is nonsense pseudoscience
23:58.29TechnobliteratorFor me, no one should be jailed for using a harmless drug
23:58.35DrodoEmpireAnd that edges on eugenicist territory
23:58.42DrodoEmpireA crime to me is something with a victim
23:58.42TechnobliteratorAnd making it legal makes it easier for those addicted to get help
23:58.46DrodoEmpire^
23:58.57Wormy__My views sort of jump between social democracy, libertarianisn and liberalism
23:59.02DrodoEmpireIf something has no victim besides yourself, it isn't a crime
23:59.03HachimanWhy is it okay that another human being should have to suffer from the life-crippling conditions and disorders of their parents
23:59.04DrodoEmpirePeriod
23:59.06TechnobliteratorThe tax dollars from it can also be used to fund healthcare
23:59.16TechnobliteratorI mean, that's fair
23:59.26TechnobliteratorI just think they should be allowed to choose that themselves
23:59.27Monet_2If you're worried about what conditions your kids may be born with, there's always IVF, if your partner agrees with it.
23:59.37DrodoEmpireWhy is it okay to discriminate and persecute someone based on a characteristic they can't change?
23:59.43DrodoEmpireHow can you guarentee they inherit it?
23:59.47DrodoEmpire*their children
23:59.53DrodoEmpireFreedom means the freedom to be stupid
23:59.58TechnobliteratorDrodoEmpire, it does specifically say inheritable disabilities, though

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