| 00:44.11 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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| 01:34.08 | Quark_Laptop | Hello everyone. |
| 01:34.46 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 01:35.26 | Quark_Laptop | How're you? |
| 01:35.44 | DrodoEmpire | I'm good |
| 01:36.23 | DrodoEmpire | You? |
| 01:36.26 | Quark_Laptop | It's good that you're good. |
| 01:37.23 | DrodoEmpire | Thanks |
| 01:38.16 | Quark_Laptop | I'm well. I'm adjusting to school, which is a little hard (I spent the last year being homeschooled with almost no contact with peers of my age). |
| 01:40.06 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 01:40.17 | DrodoEmpire | I've been doing well too |
| 01:40.22 | DrodoEmpire | School-wise |
| 01:42.36 | Quark_Laptop | That's good. |
| 02:13.56 | Quark_Laptop | test |
| 02:15.52 | DrodoEmpire | Listening to livestream |
| 02:16.16 | DrodoEmpire | Picks up a random 12 year old rapping "farted on my dick" |
| 02:16.18 | DrodoEmpire | Just |
| 02:16.19 | DrodoEmpire | What |
| 02:17.04 | Quark_Laptop | Da hell. |
| 02:43.04 | Tek0516 | ~test |
| 02:43.09 | infobot | test is, like, not funny |
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| 02:51.31 | Tek0516 | *sigh* And so it begins again. My sister's getting angry at me for eating certain food, even though I haven't even touched her share of it. >.> |
| 02:51.41 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 02:52.47 | Quark_Laptop | Odd. |
| 02:52.49 | Quark_Laptop | Hello ImpyDroid. |
| 03:16.04 | Quark_Laptop | test |
| 03:25.01 | Quark_Laptop | Night. |
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| 11:08.52 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 11:09.33 | dino82_ | hi |
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| 11:18.35 | Wormydroid | Feel a bit breathless today |
| 11:19.04 | Wormydroid | Hope I'm not fallibg ill. |
| 11:20.03 | Monet | hELLO |
| 11:25.21 | dino82_ | hi |
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| 11:33.48 | Wormydroid | Drodoempire InB4 Sargon https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/10/as-lionel-shriver-made-light-of-identity-i-had-no-choice-but-to-walk-out-on-her |
| 11:34.05 | Wormydroid | DrodoEmpire |
| 11:35.31 | Wormydroid | If a writer has appropriated something and represented it poorly, then it is simply a bad story and should be critiqued. But it is not okay in my opinion to restrict a writer's freedom |
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| 11:37.57 | Wormydroid_ | Bloody phone cant handle more than one tab |
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| 12:27.42 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 12:27.54 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 12:39.05 | Monet | HI |
| 12:40.15 | dino82_ | hi |
| 12:42.56 | DrodoEmpire | ~seen TheRagingDevil |
| 12:43.00 | infobot | DrodoEmpire: i haven't seen 'theragingdevil' |
| 12:43.08 | DrodoEmpire | ~seen The_Raging_Devil |
| 12:43.09 | infobot | DrodoEmpire: i haven't seen 'the_raging_devil' |
| 12:43.23 | DrodoEmpire | ~seen Raging_Devil |
| 12:43.23 | infobot | i haven't seen 'raging_devil', DrodoEmpire |
| 12:43.26 | DrodoEmpire | huh |
| 12:47.14 | OluapPlayer | ~seen Manifestation |
| 12:47.17 | infobot | manifestation <4a7fa013@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.127.160.19> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 7d 21h 27m 5s ago, saying: 'Sister Location, is that what it's called?'. |
| 12:47.24 | OluapPlayer | That's him |
| 12:47.37 | DrodoEmpire | Oh, right |
| 12:47.39 | DrodoEmpire | Thanks |
| 12:51.53 | DrodoEmpire | Restarting computer |
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| 13:07.34 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 13:13.57 | DrodoEmpire | Back |
| 13:14.21 | Hachiman | hI |
| 13:14.22 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 13:14.50 | DrodoEmpire | Hey- making the fiction pad now btw |
| 13:17.39 | Monet | Hi |
| 13:25.59 | NeonPanda | hi all you |
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| 13:31.30 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 13:32.28 | Hachiman | Hi Tree |
| 13:45.44 | NeonPanda | today I was reminded of one of my personal peeves in 40k: people who don't recognise when they win on technicality |
| 13:47.04 | Hachiman | Oh? |
| 13:47.59 | NeonPanda | had a 2v2, 2000 point game, straight up kill points game, 17 potential kill points on our side of the board, 9 on theirs |
| 13:48.13 | NeonPanda | game ended one turn early cos the store needed the table clear, their win 7 points to 6 |
| 13:48.46 | NeonPanda | nevermind that we'd outright destroyed 60% of their fighting force, and they only had four models left on the board, technically they won |
| 13:49.37 | NeonPanda | naturally one of them neglected to mention this fact, nor the fact that one turn later they'd have been tabled completely, when they started bragging to the store |
| 13:49.39 | Hachiman | Ouch |
| 13:50.18 | NeonPanda | now I didn't so much mind the loss, as it was still a good game, but that person was annoying |
| 13:51.06 | Hachiman | I generally find people who brag to be a bit frustrating and unpleasant to deal with |
| 13:51.47 | Hachiman | Like, just because you didn't lose doesn't mean you still can't act humble |
| 14:10.31 | dino82_ | :D |
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| 14:42.29 | Monet | I just had a minor realisation |
| 14:42.46 | Monet | actually nevermind |
| 14:43.16 | Hachiman | Monet: What was it? |
| 14:43.35 | Monet | Playing Mafia (set in the 50s) and I got thinking I don't recall as many cars having aerials these days. |
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| 14:44.20 | Xho | FUCKING FUCKING FUCKING FUCKING FUCKING FUCKING FUCK |
| 14:44.29 | Monet | A howdy-doody to you too. |
| 14:45.06 | Monet | HAchiman: I realised it was a false alarm - modern aerials are shorter, angled, and coated with plastic. |
| 14:45.43 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 14:45.49 | Hachiman | Xho: What's up? |
| 14:46.05 | Xho | All my friends are A-grade fucktards |
| 14:47.13 | Xho | Twice round now people have blown me off because they can't plan shit |
| 14:47.19 | Hachiman | Ouch |
| 14:47.26 | Xho | I need to move |
| 14:51.27 | Monet | Come to Kent. |
| 14:51.31 | Monet | Weather's nice. |
| 14:51.41 | Xho | Is it pissing down there as much as it is here |
| 14:52.12 | Xho | According to family the John Lewis in our main shopping centre was flooded this morning |
| 14:53.21 | Monet | We've had no rain at all today. |
| 14:54.16 | Xho | wut |
| 14:55.00 | Monet | Pavement's dry. It might have been a little windy |
| 14:55.26 | Hachiman | It'll probably rain later today |
| 14:56.44 | Monet | Probablu |
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| 14:59.56 | DrodoEmpire | Back |
| 15:00.02 | DrodoEmpire | Decided to take a walk |
| 15:14.19 | dino82_ | welcome back |
| 15:14.52 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 15:28.49 | Monet | Hi |
| 15:44.03 | Xho | Hm |
| 15:44.13 | Xho | Which Xhodocto would you say stereotypes Chaos Energy over the others |
| 15:48.48 | OluapPlayer | Angazhar? |
| 15:48.57 | OluapPlayer | He's the one we see more often |
| 15:51.06 | Xho | fair enough |
| 15:53.02 | Hachiman | Santorakh |
| 15:53.14 | Hachiman | He's the one who's the most chaotic and unpredictable |
| 15:53.57 | Xho | #civilwar |
| 15:54.33 | OluapPlayer | Angazhar - FUCK OFF Santorakh - i might even |
| 15:54.39 | Xho | I'm not exactly sure what the representation of Chaos is |
| 15:54.56 | Xho | Every other essence has some kind of material it manipulates |
| 15:54.59 | Xho | Chaos doesn't |
| 15:55.11 | Xho | I was thinking matter |
| 15:55.15 | OluapPlayer | Isn't Chaos the fabric of reality? |
| 15:55.30 | Xho | matter, fabric of reality |
| 15:55.33 | Xho | spose so |
| 15:56.26 | Xho | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/5d/TandavaKrath2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20160910155603 what it says on the golden tin |
| 15:58.48 | Xho | I suppose the four Xhodocto represent different ends of the fabric of reality spectrum |
| 15:59.01 | Xho | Manipulation/Destruction/Perfection/Abstraction |
| 15:59.24 | OluapPlayer | That works |
| 16:00.31 | Hachiman | wut about the 4 fundamental forces |
| 16:01.35 | OluapPlayer | That doesn't really fit the Xhodocto |
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| 16:03.51 | Xho | hm |
| 16:04.03 | Xho | Air/Fire/Earth/Water if talking about classical elements |
| 16:04.14 | OluapPlayer | Not that |
| 16:04.58 | OluapPlayer | Strong nuclear force, weak nuclear force, gravity and electromagnetism are the four fundamental forces of the universe |
| 16:05.23 | Xho | Oh fundamental interactions |
| 16:05.36 | Xho | No there's no correlation then |
| 16:05.41 | OluapPlayer | Interactions forces blah |
| 16:06.30 | Xho | The four cores of Chaos Energy I will have to write upon |
| 16:07.27 | Hachiman | The four cores of Chaos Energy are | | | | | |_ |
| 16:07.40 | Xho | dun get it |
| 16:07.42 | OluapPlayer | no |
| 16:07.47 | OluapPlayer | It's Loss |
| 16:08.08 | OluapPlayer | You never heard of Loss? |
| 16:10.49 | Xho | Doesn't ring a bell |
| 16:11.11 | OluapPlayer | http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cadbortion-loss-edits educate urself |
| 16:12.12 | Wormy_ | I hear bad things about Tim Buckley |
| 16:12.30 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/64U1u |
| 16:13.07 | OluapPlayer | His humour is subpar and he fills his comics with walls of text |
| 16:13.19 | OluapPlayer | That + what I linked makes him subject to a lot of mockery |
| 16:13.51 | OluapPlayer | Also his characters all have the same "eyes half open and mouth agape" expression EVERY time |
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| 16:46.11 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 16:46.28 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 16:46.43 | Monet | Hi |
| 16:47.37 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Well that's not a funny meme |
| 16:47.57 | OluapPlayer | It is to me hur |
| 16:50.07 | Hachiman | Imperios: https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14292301_1079814952067300_7305591947130196462_n.jpg?oh=5b74af15002f7293f513ebc1d92e80a8&oe=587B33E3 |
| 16:50.39 | Imperios | Hachiman: #PrayForSadness2016 |
| 16:53.26 | DrodoEmpire | Hachiman Technobliterator feel free to add fictions to the titanpad |
| 16:54.08 | Xho | Need a quote for Chaos Energy |
| 16:54.51 | DrodoEmpire | "heyy, that's pretty good" |
| 16:55.21 | OluapPlayer | I've nothing, make it urself[ |
| 16:56.01 | Xho | "HOLD MY CHEESE AND WATCH THIS" |
| 16:56.29 | Monet | I'll have a think |
| 16:59.04 | Hachiman | Just use the intro to Flying Whales |
| 16:59.04 | Tek0516 | Damnit, my computer has been doing updates for over half an hour and it's only 20% done. >.< |
| 16:59.17 | Hachiman | I HAVE TO FIND THE WHAAAALES |
| 16:59.33 | Xho | HEAVIEST MATTER OF THE UNIVERSE |
| 16:59.54 | Hachiman | song about ur mom |
| 17:00.11 | Xho | wot |
| 17:01.05 | OluapPlayer | #rude |
| 17:04.01 | Monet | "For untold eons, in an uncountable number of places, there is a desire to understand foundation of reality. The truth is much more dreaded than any universal equation. Where and how it flows determined the nature of reality. It is the beginning and the end, underlying everything but indifferent to existence. To gaze upon its raw essence is to break at the sight of infinity." |
| 17:04.26 | Imperios | Xho: "We are often led to believe that reality forms from order. Laws, rules, tendencies that organise energy into matter, matter into atoms and molecules, planets, lifeforms. However, we always overlook one thing. The universe is not symmetric. Whenever we look, we see irregularities; each and every planet and star are different from one another. There is an inherent flaw in the universe, [cont] |
| 17:04.46 | Xho | long ass quote |
| 17:04.46 | Xho | gud |
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| 17:05.32 | JGWM136 | Hi |
| 17:05.36 | JGWM136 | btw im primisback |
| 17:05.46 | JGWM136 | just on another irc :P |
| 17:06.22 | Xho | send help |
| 17:06.33 | JGWM136 | wut is it |
| 17:07.38 | Imperios | that defies universal laws and warps them somehow. An unseen hand of chance that sets existence into motion. Perhaps... this is not a flaw after all? Perhaps it is that force of chaos, that defies scientific expectations, that lies at the universe's foundation? Could it be that the order and sense we know also came into being by chance, by some uncanny twist of fate - the chaotic senselessness [c] |
| 17:07.39 | Xho | okay this quote is getting long now |
| 17:07.51 | Imperios | of the cosmos accidentally melding into something at least slightly logical? Could it be... that this force of chaos... spawned [[fiction:Xhodocto|them]]?'' |
| 17:07.58 | Xho | JGWM136: Weren't you banned or something |
| 17:08.14 | Wormy_away | Who's said this? As someone who reads physics, philosophy of science and epistemology everyday, it raises alarm bells of a bad philosophy |
| 17:08.29 | Wormy_away | *of a bad explanation |
| 17:09.34 | Wormy_away | Oops sorry, if its fiction, I'll shut up |
| 17:09.40 | Imperios | Pesh Mered, heretical {{creature|Rades}} scientist and philosopher |
| 17:11.02 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vRlJrkxsqo |
| 17:12.58 | Monet | Rades - A LAC KOF RATIONALITY IS STILL A FORM OF RATIONALITY |
| 17:13.57 | Wormy_away | If you're interested, while the results chaos and and chance are unpredictable, we understand the equations, that chaos does actually follow rules and physicists can even define the scale. A chaotic universe is still a deterministic one. |
| 17:14.23 | Xho | Krath - i win suck it santorakh |
| 17:14.46 | Wormy_away | What is interesting *are* the regularities and universality that unify phenomena and explanations in the universe |
| 17:15.23 | Wormy_away | Ab anti-realist may deny truth, but then they cannot unquestionably establish their own. Presumably they must deny their own philosophy |
| 17:17.08 | Wormy_away | That being said, the Xhodocto and other Omnipotent Races do seem tro be able to perform magic, the Taldar for example can edit time from outside the multiverse (otherwise their time edits would be entangled with it), |
| 17:17.55 | Wormy_away | So the Rades philosopher could easily be talking about this supernatural randomness |
| 17:19.33 | Tek0516 | O.o "A Chinese billionaire may have hidden 6% of the world's aluminum in the Mexican desert" http://www.businessinsider.com/a-chinese-billionaire-may-have-hidden-6-of-the-worlds-aluminum-in-the-mexican-desert-2016-9 |
| 17:20.10 | DrodoEmpire | O.O |
| 17:20.11 | Xho | Just how much is 6% |
| 17:20.54 | DrodoEmpire | Hella aluminum |
| 17:20.57 | DrodoEmpire | That's how much <.< |
| 17:21.00 | Xho | A fuckton granted but numerically speaking |
| 17:21.12 | Tek0516 | Xho: According to the article, 77 billion beer cans. |
| 17:21.39 | Xho | So let's say 17 grams |
| 17:21.45 | Tek0516 | Aerial pictures: http://www.amm.com/images/794/Aluminum_Aerial_July-2014.jpg |
| 17:22.22 | Xho | 1.3 million tons |
| 17:22.23 | Xho | holy shit |
| 17:22.38 | Tek0516 | Yeah. |
| 17:22.46 | OluapPlayer | Doesn't look very hidden |
| 17:23.23 | Tek0516 | OluapPlayer: I mean, would you look for a million tons of aluminum in Mexico? :P |
| 17:23.42 | Wormy_away | You wouldn't know to look if you wasn't aware of it |
| 17:23.45 | Xho | million tons of burritos NOT STEREOTYPING WHATSOEVER |
| 17:24.05 | OluapPlayer | It's out in the open though |
| 17:24.15 | OluapPlayer | Aerial pictures just prove anyone with a camera could've seen it |
| 17:24.31 | Imperios | Tek0516: Wait, aluminium |
| 17:24.38 | Tek0516 | The article claims it's to abuse NAFTA for importing to the US (and by extension screw over American production by undercutting) |
| 17:24.42 | Imperios | He wants to build lots of Modern Armor and Stealth Bombers |
| 17:24.44 | Imperios | FUCK |
| 17:25.26 | Monet | Nah, I'm with Tek this does sound like a way to get around import tariffs from China. |
| 17:25.31 | Xho | Hm |
| 17:25.44 | Xho | Is there such thing as extradimensional matter |
| 17:26.28 | Xho | I'm getting the idea that Chaos Energy is the interactive force of some crazy-ass matter |
| 17:27.04 | Monet | NAFTA iirc means there's less red tape (and thus lower price) to sell aluminium to the US from Mexico than selling to the US from China. |
| 17:27.46 | Monet | Or I might be mixing things up. |
| 17:28.20 | Xho | What actually is the scientific explanation of essence |
| 17:29.08 | Monet | I subscribe to how Elemental Energy is Chi. |
| 17:29.56 | Tek0516 | There's apparently import tariffs on it in the US because a number of domestic producers shut down from Chinese-subsided imports. |
| 17:29.56 | OluapPlayer | There is none afaik |
| 17:30.19 | OluapPlayer | Essence is magic, magic is what you can't explain with science |
| 17:30.27 | Xho | muguc |
| 17:31.00 | Monet | EE's been the most explained, acting like chi and so it can be found everywhere in nature. |
| 17:31.12 | Monet | Other forms of essence seem more like space magic. |
| 17:32.01 | OluapPlayer | I don't see how chi is any less magical than the other essences |
| 17:32.24 | OluapPlayer | It's all mystical power |
| 17:33.00 | Monet | There's been lots of attempts to suggest chi and normal energy are the same thing. |
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| 17:34.01 | Wormy_away | Aquaman visits the chip shop http://imgur.com/gallery/kXy1z |
| 17:34.25 | Monet | Sounds bizarre but DBZ-style ki is an embellishment. |
| 17:36.59 | Wormy_away | The way I've defined elemental can accommodate both magical and scientific interpretations, it straddles the shadowlands between the self and the universe http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Elemental_energy |
| 17:37.43 | Wormy_away | elemental is a very internalised essence built more on effecting the inner rather than the outer world |
| 17:38.13 | Wormy_away | But as a result taps into things that SporeWiki physics can explain |
| 17:38.14 | Monet | "Fish don't talk, their brains aren't advanced enough for that so I mind control them. Dolphins are another story though" |
| 17:39.33 | Monet | ""How does Aquaman pay for anything?" Dude's a king of an enormous subaquatic nation. Why would he be broke?" - this guy gets it |
| 17:43.55 | Wormy_away | Uriel is an elemental practitioner, yes? |
| 17:44.09 | Wormy_away | He can be added to the infobox |
| 17:45.04 | OluapPlayer | Really bored atm |
| 17:45.15 | Xho | write fiction |
| 17:45.20 | Xho | dunno what but do it fgt |
| 17:45.32 | Xho | Wormy_away: Is string theory still a thing in fiction |
| 17:45.36 | OluapPlayer | That'd require other people being available |
| 17:45.44 | dino82_ | @xho: The new xhodocto look neat! Will they make in fiction appearances? |
| 17:46.06 | Monet | Wormy_Away: i'd say he certainly became one after Drachelied.Shortly before that though he was battling Descension. |
| 17:46.16 | Xho | dino82_: Most of them probably not |
| 17:47.54 | Wormy_away | Xho: Well we've certainly based hyperspace on String (or rather M theory's) prediction of 7 extra folded up dimensions. |
| 17:49.08 | Xho | Things like mirror symmetry right |
| 17:49.15 | Xho | Or related to |
| 17:49.56 | OluapPlayer | God where's Cyrannian and/or Ghelae when you need them |
| 17:50.29 | dino82_ | @Xho: _-_ |
| 17:50.32 | dino82_ | -_- |
| 17:51.50 | Wormy_away | Yes |
| 17:54.45 | Monet | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Essence_Theory_Deciphered I tried explaining how elemental and the other essences work |
| 17:56.39 | Monet | The fourth paragraph down from the list is a brief explaination of my interpretation |
| 17:57.20 | Xho | That's kind of what I'm writing down on this page |
| 17:58.13 | Xho | The gist of what I'm saying is that Chaos Energy is an interaction of infinitely complex frameworks that diverges everything into Chaos, and it manifests in dimensional theory as shadows of these interactions |
| 17:58.34 | Wormy_away | Also the tension of hypermatter in higher dimensional space is weakened and allows their momentum to take up degrees of freedom, so when released in realspace they rapidly decay. This comes straight from string theory |
| 17:59.21 | Wormy_away | My guess is that string theory may have true facts, but is itself incomplete and replaced by successors in the 29th century |
| 17:59.41 | Hachiman | It appears Gyronic / Time was forgotten from that list |
| 17:59.54 | Wormy_away | (string theories would hate me for saying that but I'm not a believer in a theory of everything) |
| 18:00.44 | Wormy_away | Gyronic was for a while regarded as different from essence |
| 18:01.29 | Wormy_away | Techno wanted it to be more sciencey, but tbh, the way it works by editing time is outside of quantum theory completely |
| 18:01.38 | Monet | I recall we considered Chronoscopic ot be some form of pico- of femtotechnology. |
| 18:02.19 | OluapPlayer | Last time I asked her she said Chrono is a type of Essence |
| 18:02.51 | Wormy_away | Make your mind up Jo hur |
| 18:03.01 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: clarify pls |
| 18:03.08 | Monet | At the tier 1/0 level, the distinction between technology and magic is almost impossible to distinguish. |
| 18:03.21 | Technobliterator | Hm? |
| 18:03.21 | Technobliterator | Uh |
| 18:03.33 | Technobliterator | I said a while ago that Chronoscopic is an essence |
| 18:04.45 | Monet | DIdn't you have it as a kind of Ultraterrestrial tech for a time? |
| 18:04.59 | Technobliterator | Briefly, then I gave up on that idea |
| 18:05.00 | Wormy_away | I think Ghelae says it should be like elemental essence, but manifested from a higher dimension |
| 18:05.04 | OluapPlayer | She did, then she reverted it back into essence |
| 18:05.09 | OluapPlayer | Ninja'd |
| 18:06.01 | Technobliterator | There was a point where Essence was viewed very negatively |
| 18:06.10 | Technobliterator | So I didn't want to be involved with it for a while |
| 18:06.20 | Technobliterator | now I just sort of gave up on making it anything else |
| 18:06.30 | Technobliterator | since it's not going to be realistic however I do it |
| 18:06.57 | OluapPlayer | The anti-essence sentiment has died out a long time ago anyway |
| 18:07.05 | Technobliterator | yup |
| 18:07.23 | Wormy_away | If it involves any physics at all, it is one that is beyond quantum mechanics (how that works I have no idea) |
| 18:07.53 | Xho | dat's basically chaos energy anyway because cheese > essence |
| 18:07.58 | Wormy_away | Since Taldar can edit the universe's wavefunction without being divided into the same multiverse |
| 18:08.19 | Wormy_away | Otherwise their time edits would only cause divergences |
| 18:08.35 | Wormy_away | They would be as much in the multiverse as anyone-else |
| 18:09.14 | Wormy_away | So Taldar are beyond multiversal, and probably beyond hyperspace |
| 18:25.09 | dino82_ | neat |
| 18:39.13 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Xhodocto/Chaos_Energy fuk ur weak physics |
| 18:48.16 | Monet | That feeling when the unified field theory is chaos energy as equations. |
| 18:48.52 | Monet | Grand Unified Theory, rather. |
| 18:49.12 | Monet | Or would it be both? |
| 18:51.34 | Xho | yes |
| 18:51.38 | Xho | maybe |
| 18:52.11 | Xho | Chaos Energy is basically a meta-narrative of the Xhodocto saying fuck you to physics |
| 18:52.42 | Xho | Ontology is an abstract art form to them |
| 18:52.53 | Monet | Lol |
| 18:53.11 | Tek0516 | BAHAHAHA. This Windows 10 update added IE to my start bar, as if it expects me to use it. |
| 18:53.21 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 18:53.40 | Monet | They stride and master the eleven dimensions just as we stride and master our three. |
| 18:57.37 | Xho | "metaphysical cosmology? completed it mate" |
| 18:59.32 | Xho | I suppose the idea of Chaos is quite biblical |
| 18:59.46 | Xho | The idea of the firmament being separate from the waters of chaos |
| 19:00.20 | Xho | Although SporeWiki Chaos implies there's more than one firmament |
| 19:01.20 | Xho | Probably closer to Babylonian cosmology actually |
| 19:03.05 | Xho | Hindu cosmology also plays into Chaos as well |
| 19:03.15 | Xho | The concept of infinite universes preceeding and succeeding each other |
| 19:03.54 | Monet | Would that be the multiverse? |
| 19:04.25 | Xho | Not really, more like a level well beyond the degree of understanding of fiction |
| 19:04.59 | Xho | Santorakh has implied that there has been an infinite set of continuities before this one, each one having unique sets of Ultraterrestrials and Essentials |
| 19:05.18 | Xho | But that's terrifying degrees of Xhodocto mindfuckery so I don't go into it |
| 19:05.32 | Monet | The suggestion of infinite universes in Hindu mythology does fit with the possibility of there being infinite universes, or the "stacked" idea links to alternate universes. |
| 19:07.34 | Xho | The concept that the Xhodocto are the only constant in infinite sets of universes and infinite sets of simultaneous universes isn't something I can directly sell so I just leave it as Santorakh's device of scaring mortals |
| 19:07.55 | Xho | It's already been heavily implied but it's not proven |
| 19:08.27 | Monet | Hard to say what's beyond - what does the omniverse reside within? |
| 19:08.52 | Xho | That's where the Xhodocto's explanation of Chaos comes in |
| 19:09.20 | Monet | There could be multiverses with their own unique ultraterrestrials that have never been seen in our pocket of the omniverse |
| 19:09.37 | Xho | Xhodocto - all of u dum stop dis |
| 19:10.04 | Xho | To them, the omniverse is one of many firmaments that sit within Chaos |
| 19:11.00 | Xho | It goes into metaphysical absurdity to say that nothing exists between these firmaments but it embellishes the nature of the Xhodocto as beyond scary |
| 19:12.05 | Xho | Chaos is certainly not empirical and quantum mechanics, as complex as it is only becomes a small and liquified concept when placed against it |
| 19:12.09 | Monet | I'm not sure if there's any fiction that matches the Xhodocto. |
| 19:13.03 | Monet | You've probably created one of the greatest instances of cosmological scope that I can think of. |
| 19:13.04 | Xho | I could certainly write something out of it although it would turn into a psychological horror at some point |
| 19:13.07 | Wormy_away | I created something similar http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Legacy/Unseen_Entity |
| 19:13.32 | Monet | Xho: There could be a market for it. |
| 19:13.36 | Wormy_away | An unobservable non-thing that lasnguage and experience cannot capture |
| 19:16.49 | Xho | Wormy_away: 'Women' |
| 19:17.01 | Wormy_away | lol |
| 19:17.25 | Xho | I'm not quite sure how I actually came up with it |
| 19:17.42 | Xho | I think it was originally bullshit, and then it turned into ridiculously convoluted bullshit |
| 19:19.12 | Monet | It works though. |
| 19:19.19 | Xho | Amazingly |
| 19:19.29 | Xho | Now imagine if I was on drugs |
| 19:20.15 | Wormy_away | There's some good questions in there, like determining matters of mathematical models. I interpret that as the question why the universe follows X model and not Y model when both seem plausible |
| 19:20.29 | Monet | Xho: It might become become ridiculously convoluted-but-ultimately nonsensical bullshit. |
| 19:20.37 | Wormy_away | Or why it has these laws, not those laws |
| 19:20.44 | Xho | Monet: "Dave's not here man" - Santorakh |
| 19:21.09 | Wormy_away | Chaos perhaps illogically and temporarily chooses them |
| 19:21.32 | Monet | "Is the name Plank's Constant true when the value is completely arbitrary?" |
| 19:22.05 | Wormy_away | Its true, but unlike a necessary truth, we don't know why it is |
| 19:22.06 | Xho | I've discovered a loose similarity between the Mayan Calendar and the Yugas |
| 19:23.37 | Imperios | Xho: Make a conspiracy theory out of it |
| 19:24.12 | Xho | Mayans did 9/11 |
| 19:24.12 | Xho | there |
| 19:24.26 | DrodoEmpire | *Alex Jones intensifies* |
| 19:24.42 | Wormy_away | Get Jone'd |
| 19:24.46 | Xho | Well the Mayan Calendar lasted 5,125 years |
| 19:25.05 | Xho | The current Yuga (Kali Yuga) has gone on for 5,118 years |
| 19:25.35 | Xho | Mayan Calendar started in 3114 BC and the Kali Yuga in 3102 BC |
| 19:26.27 | Xho | I wonder if there was some astronomical event that happened within that time period that early civilisation had witnessed |
| 19:26.58 | Xho | Narmer unified Egypt around 3100 BC as well |
| 19:28.33 | Xho | crazy shit i say |
| 19:28.59 | Wormy_away | I sense you took a lot of inspiration from music like Meshuggah when I read chaos |
| 19:29.37 | Wormy_away | I also hear the voices of Dethklok when I read Xhodocto talking |
| 19:29.46 | Xho | "DEATH METAL" - Angazhar |
| 19:30.30 | Xho | Meshuggah have a lot of paradoxical and nihilistic imagery in their lyrics so it makes sense |
| 19:30.43 | Xho | Eastern mythology as well |
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| 19:45.16 | Monet | I initially read that as Deathlok. |
| 19:45.35 | Monet | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathlok |
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| 20:09.22 | Monet | I fee lsorry for these guys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gaylords_(American_vocal_group) |
| 20:22.56 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 20:22.58 | DrodoEmpire | olol |
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| 20:36.37 | Hachiman | I was thinking of working on the Lagosi again and giving a bit of a major revamp to their lore and history |
| 20:39.54 | DrodoEmpire | Huh cool |
| 20:40.11 | Hachiman | Mainly to make them a little more inclined towards Japanese mythology and folklore |
| 20:40.21 | DrodoEmpire | kk |
| 20:40.29 | DrodoEmpire | Halifaxians will be the Portuguese <.< |
| 20:40.44 | Hachiman | I thought Halifaxians were Italians? |
| 20:40.48 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh |
| 20:40.57 | DrodoEmpire | They're sorta a mix between Iberians and Italians yeah |
| 20:41.14 | DrodoEmpire | More Italian |
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| 20:41.40 | JGWM136 | k |
| 20:41.44 | DrodoEmpire | In this context they'd be Portuguese in that they are the tiny but advanced country that gives the Japanese guns <.< |
| 20:41.47 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm? |
| 20:42.17 | DrodoEmpire | (In terms of military strategy, maybe more Iberian but I suppose all of Europe used pike-and-shot eventually) |
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| 20:42.24 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 20:42.28 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 20:42.32 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 20:48.42 | Hachiman | One of the things I was thinking about was giving the Lagosi some celestial ancestry; that the Lagosi are actually descended from a more ancient kingdom that was exists / existed one of Koldenwelt's moons and that they lost their celestial magic by being bound to Koldenwelt over the course of generations |
| 20:48.56 | Hachiman | Which ties into an ancient Japanese folkloric prose |
| 20:49.12 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 20:53.01 | Hachiman | Xho: >the Xhodocto themselves (particularly Angazhar) have unmade multiple absolutes within post-quantum structure and irrealis framework, such as the undoing of Essentials (the Obvia'Atra having been irreversibly erased) |
| 20:53.16 | Hachiman | I sincerely hope Mush reads that hur |
| 20:54.11 | Hachiman | Wormy_away: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy32A2NoCVw&feature=youtu.be |
| 20:54.24 | Xho | Hachiman: get fukd goldscrub |
| 20:55.03 | Xho | As for a civilisaton existing on Koldenwelt's moon, I'm not sure if would approve of that |
| 20:55.19 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmaos |
| 20:55.43 | DrodoEmpire | Actually are Koldenwelt's moons at all habitable or are they lifeless rocks? |
| 20:55.45 | Xho | A better idea would be something like an island or something that was sunken by Void Denizens |
| 20:55.46 | OluapPlayer | Me neither |
| 20:56.00 | Xho | Or something of that effect |
| 20:56.01 | OluapPlayer | Mythology sure but actual moon people, not a fan |
| 20:56.02 | Hachiman | I've brought up the idea of things on Koldenwelt's moon(s) before and it was reacted to negatively so |
| 20:56.03 | Wormy_away | Hachiman: seen |
| 20:56.15 | Hachiman | I don't really see the problem myself personally |
| 20:56.23 | Xho | DrodoEmpire: Pretty sure they're lifeless rocks, dunno |
| 20:56.30 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 20:56.39 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, imagine *if* they were inhabited |
| 20:56.45 | DrodoEmpire | Imagine if ours was IRL |
| 20:56.50 | Wormy_away | Hachiman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgno6QqWQs |
| 20:56.52 | OluapPlayer | We've got enough empty space in the planet already, the moons can be left alone |
| 20:56.53 | Hachiman | >implying it's not |
| 20:56.58 | Xho | play golf dammit |
| 20:57.14 | OluapPlayer | To me them being just moons adds to the mystery |
| 20:57.19 | DrodoEmpire | Sort of a cool thought, looking up to the sky to see another lush world right there- maybe spy on the civilisations there or landmasses via telescope <.< |
| 20:57.33 | Xho | If Koldenwelt really did get full to the brim (which would take a lot of going) I'd imagine we'd just expand the map southwards |
| 20:57.34 | Monet | They could have migrated from one of the moons long ago. |
| 20:57.47 | Xho | Or westwards |
| 20:57.58 | Monet | Maybe the moon was rendered lifeless by Caligaduro |
| 20:58.16 | Hachiman | An island sunken by Caligaduro works I suppose |
| 20:58.25 | OluapPlayer | If you add one race to one of the moons then we'd have to make them inhabited and populate them with more races |
| 20:58.30 | Xho | Caligaduro - moon implies night bird TRIGGERED |
| 20:58.36 | OluapPlayer | People can't even populate the western continent, imagine two whole moons |
| 20:58.39 | Monet | Or maybe the Lagosi ancestors lived under the moon's surface. |
| 20:59.15 | Hachiman | I did plan for moon worship to be a more prominent thing in Lagosi culture |
| 20:59.48 | Wormy_away | I once had a Jules Vernian story idea of an adventure to a land where the moon docks with the horizon. |
| 21:00.05 | Xho | I don't really like the concept of cultures coming from another land other than Koldenwelt and not being demonic/angelic/whatever |
| 21:00.05 | Monet | Trippy |
| 21:00.19 | Xho | I still think Koldenwelt should be flat :v |
| 21:00.30 | Wormy_away | This would go with that idea |
| 21:01.13 | Monet | The Lagosi are pretty Source-aligned so maybe they were part spirit? |
| 21:01.20 | Hachiman | I mean, I had the idea for the Lagosi ancestors being masters of light and dark magic and being able to use them in unison because tao |
| 21:01.36 | Hachiman | But they eventually lost that power as they became disconnected from their heritage |
| 21:02.20 | Hachiman | I think there's a general tendency for beastfolk in Koldenwelt to be Source-aligned, not sure |
| 21:02.27 | Monet | Maybe they were disconnected living on Koldenwelt? |
| 21:03.19 | Wormy_away | Xho: Fuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTUMbjFzli8 |
| 21:04.23 | Xho | k den |
| 21:05.22 | Hachiman | I'm also wondering about the canon status of the munki |
| 21:05.32 | Hachiman | I mean they've never been featured in a story as of yet |
| 21:06.09 | OluapPlayer | They've been mentioned and are linked to Lightning Drakes |
| 21:06.31 | Hachiman | Ngh |
| 21:07.38 | Hachiman | tfw you can't get rid of your own stuff |
| 21:08.27 | OluapPlayer | Do it if you want, I'll just retcon the mentions out |
| 21:08.31 | Xho | get xhodocto'd |
| 21:09.11 | Hachiman | I'm not sure if people are really fond of what I had in mind so I might just not bother |
| 21:09.21 | Xho | Not the moon life thing |
| 21:09.25 | Xho | Ancient kingdom's alright |
| 21:12.32 | Monet | From what I see the opposition is personal taste. |
| 21:13.28 | Monet | Putting them on the moon could cause complications but at the same time the light-dark affinity suggests their ancestors were quite supernatural. |
| 21:15.21 | Hachiman | I'm just mainly not satisfied with the current state of the Lagosi and want to make them more to my tastes as well as a bit more significant and interesting |
| 21:16.23 | Monet | Personally I like the moon backstory. |
| 21:18.15 | Xho | Hachiman: Check out Shades of Black, egyptian djent |
| 21:18.22 | Xho | edjyption |
| 21:18.23 | Hachiman | Right |
| 21:18.26 | Hachiman | hur |
| 21:18.46 | Xho | Stole my playing style though I swear to Anubis |
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| 21:34.27 | Quark8 | Hello Charles. |
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| 21:34.49 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 21:34.54 | Monet | Hello |
| 21:35.04 | ImpyDroid | Fiction reading day was today |
| 21:35.12 | ImpyDroid | Did we actually read any fiction |
| 21:35.22 | OluapPlayer | Jo forgot it |
| 21:35.24 | Xho | Nope |
| 21:35.35 | Xho | Technobliterator: 0/10 deactivate yourself |
| 21:35.36 | ImpyDroid | Monet Wormy_away Charles_Murray: https://youtu.be/ed3M5sHbf_U I found an abomination |
| 21:36.04 | Xho | ImpyDroid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWkKL_3i0P8 Egyptian metal cuz why not |
| 21:36.18 | Xho | It's instrumental so Oluap u listen |
| 21:36.34 | DrodoEmpire | I don't think Tech's about much today is the thing |
| 21:36.36 | Monet | ImpyDroid: God save the King...in French. |
| 21:36.44 | OluapPlayer | Later |
| 21:36.45 | ImpyDroid | https://youtu.be/8FaEqFFAKRA more of this |
| 21:37.31 | Monet | Granted I hear God save the King was composed as a counter to stories of Jacobite raids in the north of England. |
| 21:37.48 | Monet | One of the reason many British prefer Rule Britannia. |
| 21:37.51 | ImpyDroid | Xho: The beginning sounds like a man brushing his teeth really fast |
| 21:37.53 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws3Xd6SWFCs More Egyptian instrumental metal aswell |
| 21:38.07 | ImpyDroid | Rule Britannia is ... too short for an anthem I think |
| 21:38.21 | Xho | There are multiple verses |
| 21:38.22 | Xho | Apparently |
| 21:38.25 | Xho | No one knows them |
| 21:38.26 | ImpyDroid | I mean the Japanese have a short anthem but that is because their anthem is a Japanese poem |
| 21:38.36 | ImpyDroid | Sung to music |
| 21:38.56 | Monet | Doesn't Rule Britannia have its origins as a sea chanty? |
| 21:39.15 | Monet | If so, it can be as long as people want it. |
| 21:40.32 | ImpyDroid | Monet: While I appreciate its music, I cannot enjoy Rule Britannia's lyrics for one reason |
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| 21:40.54 | ImpyDroid | The "Britons never ever will be slaves" line always reminds me of the Iron Horde |
| 21:40.57 | ImpyDroid | Hi OP |
| 21:41.18 | Monet | Lol! |
| 21:42.22 | ImpyDroid | I keep expecting "But Britons will be conquerors" |
| 21:42.55 | Monet | *points at a map of the British empire at its height* |
| 21:42.58 | Monet | We were lol |
| 21:51.50 | Xho | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbqpPryyB4s Might have just found something really evil sounding |
| 21:52.19 | Hachiman | Ooh |
| 21:52.38 | Xho | Operatic Deathcore, can't quite believe it works |
| 21:53.17 | Xho | Or tech death I have no clue |
| 21:53.36 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Feijoada_completa.jpg Wow that tastes delicious |
| 21:53.57 | Wormy_away | ImpyDroid: Makes me seethe with rage they were first |
| 21:54.12 | Charles_Murray | ImpyDroid : How is that an abomination? |
| 21:55.00 | Wormy_away | That's... God Save the Queen, but that precedes it |
| 21:55.09 | Wormy_away | Queen's melody |
| 21:55.27 | Charles_Murray | So basically your national anthem was French. :) |
| 21:55.31 | ImpyDroid | Charles_Murray: French God Save the Queen |
| 21:55.45 | ImpyDroid | So was ours for a while after the Revolution |
| 21:56.00 | Charles_Murray | "Merci Messieurs les Anglais car lorsque vous entonnez le " God Save The Queen ", vous célébrez la Gloire et la Magnificence de la Monarchie Française ." |
| 21:56.10 | ImpyDroid | First the Marseilliaise, then the Internationale |
| 21:56.17 | ImpyDroid | Marseilliaise |
| 21:56.21 | ImpyDroid | Cannot spell that |
| 21:56.27 | ImpyDroid | Marseillaise |
| 21:56.30 | Xho | Mayonaise |
| 21:56.42 | Hachiman | *Mayonnaise |
| 21:56.46 | Charles_Murray | "Thank you Misters the English, since when you sing "God Save the Queen," you celebrate the Glory and Magnificence of the French monarchy." |
| 21:56.48 | Xho | exactly |
| 21:57.04 | Wormy_away | "The French Marquise de Créquy wrote in her book "Souvenirs", that the tune Grand Dieu Sauve Le Roi, was written by Jean-Baptiste Lully[9] in gratitude for the survival by Louis XIV of an anal fistula operation. The surgical knife that was purpose-built for the occasion is on display in the Musée d'histoire de la médecine." |
| 21:57.06 | ImpyDroid | I have also seen Russian and German versions of God save the Queen |
| 21:57.33 | Wormy_away | So it comes from an anal fissure operation |
| 21:58.29 | ImpyDroid | God Save the King's Arse |
| 21:58.56 | Xho | Hachiman: Last song on that would be a good Angazhar boss theme |
| 21:58.56 | Charles_Murray | lo |
| 21:58.58 | Charles_Murray | lol |
| 21:59.32 | Quark8 | bbs |
| 22:00.20 | ImpyDroid | It is actually a bit strange |
| 22:00.31 | Wormy_away | It may not be true actually https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Save_the_Queen#History |
| 22:00.34 | ImpyDroid | Almost every European monarchy had their version of God Save the King |
| 22:02.30 | Technobliterator | I've been out all day |
| 22:02.43 | Technobliterator | I'll prep the thread and then the day will be tomorrow |
| 22:03.00 | Xho | fucking better be -10/-9 |
| 22:04.02 | Technobliterator | :V |
| 22:04.11 | ImpyDroid | -10/-9 is just 10/9 |
| 22:04.41 | Xho | 0 |
| 22:04.47 | Xho | Just 0 |
| 22:08.23 | DrodoEmpire | kk |
| 22:11.36 | Wormy_away | â
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| 22:16.17 | Wormy_away | Hm, fiction writing or games? |
| 22:16.27 | Wormy_away | Not played a game in nearly 2 weeks now |
| 22:21.32 | Monet | Being an IGN article aside this is quite interesting http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/09/09/does-star-trekas-message-of-inclusion-extend-to-religion |
| 22:22.15 | Monet | When asked if the writers of Star Trek discovery felt ST's message of inclusion included religious opinions, they were lost for words. |
| 22:25.19 | Wormy_ | I'd love to see a Vulcan talk with a Buddhist |
| 22:26.11 | Monet | I vaguely recall there was this idea among intellectuals in the 60s that in 100 years organised religion would be extinct. |
| 22:26.12 | Wormy_ | In Star Trek ENT, T'pol is told about buddhist monks and she found them fascinating |
| 22:28.59 | Wormy_ | Monet I think this is my favourite scene from Babylon 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=braDD-4ZYQk |
| 22:29.12 | Wormy_ | better at the end |
| 22:29.27 | Monet | I'm sort of with the sentiment that having a character who doesn't identify as atheist or agnostic is fine, just don't shove it in our face. |
| 22:30.13 | Monet | Kind of like how all we got of Sulu being gay was momentarily seeing him with a life partner in Beyond. |
| 22:34.00 | Wormy_ | I think if Star Trek Discovery is going to back to the routes of TOS, it ought to bring a message of inclusion to religions and other social things once again stirring controversey |
| 22:34.23 | Wormy_ | The economic message of Star Trek is poor, its social message may not be |
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| 22:39.09 | Wormy_ | I think Babylon 5 might do realism slightly better than Star Trek. Of course it still has elements like hyperspace and psychic energy beings, but on the other hand they really thought about how space combat would work, the difficult politics of a multi-species station, and reasonably realistic things like artificial gravity via rotation (except for the Minbari and elder races) |
| 22:39.57 | Wormy_ | Plus species did not fit into one dimensional narratives |
| 22:40.25 | Wormy_ | Oh, and Babylon 5 ships are really distinctive |
| 22:40.43 | JGWM136 | quick, i male name that isn't ian |
| 22:40.46 | Wormy_ | each alien species has a different aesthetic |
| 22:41.24 | DrodoEmpire | Alex |
| 22:41.26 | DrodoEmpire | Ethan |
| 22:41.29 | DrodoEmpire | Richard |
| 22:41.30 | DrodoEmpire | Abdul |
| 22:41.32 | Wormy_ | Which makes up for having rubber forehead aliens |
| 22:41.36 | JGWM136 | um |
| 22:41.37 | DrodoEmpire | Lee |
| 22:41.41 | JGWM136 | starting with a |
| 22:41.41 | DrodoEmpire | All male names |
| 22:41.53 | JGWM136 | starting with a i* |
| 22:42.01 | Wormy_ | Why don't you go and use a site for male names? |
| 22:42.04 | DrodoEmpire | You hardly specified :p |
| 22:42.10 | DrodoEmpire | I thought you misspelled |
| 22:42.12 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway |
| 22:42.13 | DrodoEmpire | Ivan |
| 22:42.27 | Wormy_ | Igor |
| 22:42.30 | JGWM136 | same as someone from ubox irc :3 |
| 22:42.31 | Wormy_ | Ivor |
| 22:42.35 | JGWM136 | ivan beat it :3 |
| 22:42.50 | Hachiman | Ichabod |
| 22:42.52 | Xho | Steve |
| 22:42.56 | Wormy_ | bob |
| 22:43.01 | Xho | Dave |
| 22:44.44 | DrodoEmpire | Isaac is another |
| 22:45.23 | Wormy_ | John Smith, most common name in the English language |
| 22:45.36 | Wormy_ | dick |
| 22:46.06 | DrodoEmpire | Muhummad Lee, statistically-speaking what should be the most common name <.< |
| 22:46.23 | DrodoEmpire | (Lee or Li? I dunno) |
| 22:46.27 | Monet | Li I think |
| 22:46.32 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, makes sense |
| 22:46.33 | Hachiman | John Doe |
| 22:46.47 | DrodoEmpire | I think "Lee" is an americansation of the Chinese "Li" anyhow |
| 22:47.32 | Hachiman | It's Old English |
| 22:48.05 | DrodoEmpire | Is it? |
| 22:48.12 | Hachiman | "There are several distinct origins of the Lee surname. The most common is derived from Old English lÄah, meaning a meadow or forest clearing. This developed variously into the surnames Lee, Lea, and Leigh." |
| 22:48.17 | Monet | Yeah I think there were Lee's before regular contact with China. |
| 22:48.25 | Hachiman | I am fairly sure there was |
| 22:48.30 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, fair enough |
| 22:48.34 | Monet | "Li" is a really common Chinese family name. |
| 22:48.39 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:48.41 | DrodoEmpire | Extremely so |
| 22:48.58 | Monet | Hence the joke. |
| 22:50.17 | Wormy_ | I've only met two people with my first name face to face, and probably only heard it mentioned some dozen times |
| 22:50.22 | Monet | The statistical likelihood of there being a man with both Middle-eastern and Chinese heritage are on the other hand quite low I think. |
| 22:51.58 | Monet | The two regions were in contact but Asian cultures are a little more particular than Westerners in who they marry to. |
| 22:52.45 | Wormy_ | Monet: Religions freely discussed in B5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjToVZTqCbw |
| 22:52.49 | Wormy_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjToVZTqCbw |
| 22:56.18 | Wormy_ | So many Babylon 5 actors have died |
| 22:56.41 | Monet | Babylon does seem more open |
| 22:58.15 | Monet | Lines from Star Trek like âwe find the one [God] quite adequate." sound like they were added by executives/producers so that more religiously-inclined users wouldn't have a fit. |
| 22:58.29 | Monet | viewers* |
| 22:59.24 | Monet | It was still a time when it was thought Communism, the Red Threat and atheism walked hand in hand. |
| 23:01.57 | Technobliterator | Well, Mankind Divided is pretty good |
| 23:01.58 | Technobliterator | Story isn't as strong as Human Revolution, but gameplay is much better |
| 23:02.27 | Monet | I've been hearing the mechanical apartheid thing has been taken a bit heavy-handedly |
| 23:03.03 | Monet | Like benches and bathrooms labelled "augs- or naturals-only" |
| 23:04.21 | Technobliterator | That part is fine, it's actually done in a really convincing way |
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| 23:04.46 | Quark8 | Back. |
| 23:04.52 | Technobliterator | The issue with the story is mostly that it ends abruptly and that the stakes don't feel as high at times |
| 23:05.09 | Technobliterator | But the gameplay is a massive improvement, so I'd still say it's worth playing |
| 23:05.16 | Monet | Well somewhat understandable |
| 23:05.33 | Monet | Either MD leads to another sequel, or th eoriginal Deus Ex |
| 23:05.43 | Monet | Which had the whole "aug district" thing. |
| 23:10.44 | Tek0516 | Damnit. My HoI4 was going so well until America declared war. >.< |
| 23:10.59 | Monet | I stand by my theory that Adam's beard is so sharp he could use it to murder people. |
| 23:11.02 | Xho | Quark8: Past tense of forsake is forsook just so you know |
| 23:11.11 | Quark8 | Thanks. |
| 23:15.23 | Technobliterator | I imagine MD leads to a sequel |
| 23:16.30 | Xho | Just saw a video of a guy ejecting a salivary gland stone |
| 23:16.33 | Xho | I know dem feels |
| 23:16.36 | Monet | Any connections to Deus Ex I are probably spoiler territory. |
| 23:33.46 | Wormy_ | They the same as tonsil stones? |
| 23:35.49 | Wormy_ | looks it up |
| 23:35.56 | Wormy_ | saimilar, but worse |
| 23:38.30 | Xho | It hurts let's put it that way |
| 23:39.21 | Wormy_ | Yes, usually tonsil stones are painless but a nuisance |
| 23:42.23 | Xho | Tonsil stones are literally like pushing a stone out of a very small orifice under your tongue |
| 23:42.28 | Xho | Because that's what it is |
| 23:42.36 | Xho | Mine was lodged for months |
| 23:42.44 | Xho | I had two |
| 23:43.00 | Xho | Salivary gland stones even |
| 23:43.13 | Xho | Anyway, food or slee |
| 23:43.14 | Xho | sleep |
| 23:43.15 | Xho | hm |
| 23:43.23 | Wormy_ | I've had tonsil stones, usually scratching the back of my tongue |
| 23:44.00 | Wormy_ | But with effort, they can be removed with the tongue itself. It feels very easily to use one's finger, but I dare not |
| 23:44.40 | Wormy_ | because touching glands with a finger is baad |
| 23:44.57 | Wormy_ | Anyway, enough of this conversation |
| 23:50.26 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 23:52.31 | Wormy_games | somehow landed on this strange youtube list https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YWl7tDGUPA&list=PL7XlqX4npddfrdpMCxBnNZXg2GFll7t5y&index=2 |
