| 00:00.28 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Ah fair |
| 00:00.54 | DrodoEmpire | I guess its a bunch of drunk people who're looking for fun/trouble |
| 00:01.04 | Monet | Not always. |
| 00:01.41 | Monet | In fact the ones who do it while drunk are probably the ones who won't let you go cleanly afterward. |
| 00:01.49 | NeonPanda | if it's anything like Australia it's probably just a friendly punch-up |
| 00:01.58 | Monet | Pretty-much. |
| 00:02.42 | NeonPanda | one party I went to, some of the guys from my high school's boxing club had a bit of a fight, was just torso hits and they weren't really putting that much force into it |
| 00:02.46 | NeonPanda | was pretty fun to watch relaly |
| 00:03.25 | Monet | Although the anecdote I'm reading right now a guy was asked, agreed to do it, and got himself clobbered with a pool cue while a friend/relative of the thug was screaming to hit him harder. |
| 00:04.04 | NeonPanda | well that doesn't sound entirely friendly |
| 00:04.18 | NeonPanda | in fact, that sounds like the opposite of friendly |
| 00:04.42 | Monet | These people who go around asking are polite until the fight starts. |
| 00:05.10 | Monet | But they might give you a handshake and a leg up after decking your face. |
| 00:07.39 | Monet | I'd say it's British friendly. |
| 00:09.19 | Monet | While on the train home the other day I was sharing a train with some football fans who, when pulling into Ebsfleet Station and I'm not joking, started jovially singing about how they hate Ebslfeet. |
| 00:09.44 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I heard |
| 00:09.53 | DrodoEmpire | Honestly, the UK sounds so rowdy XD |
| 00:10.12 | Monet | Depends on where you go. |
| 00:10.14 | DrodoEmpire | But as a mild-mannered (usually) Canadian I hope it never changes |
| 00:10.15 | Technobliterator | ^ |
| 00:10.23 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 00:11.07 | Monet | One of my first experiences of Rochester was a woman screaming at her husband and making a public display of herself. |
| 00:11.18 | Monet | In front of the station. |
| 00:12.08 | NeonPanda | discounting evangelists, the main source of public stupidity in Australia is people shouting out the side of cars |
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| 00:12.41 | Monet | There's a saying that is very true in Britain: "football is a gentleman's game played by thugs, and rugby is a thug's game played by gentlemen." |
| 00:12.48 | DrodoEmpire | Makes sense |
| 00:13.01 | NeonPanda | I'm pretty sure I've caused mental trauma to at least three people because I knew the bible better than they did |
| 00:13.22 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 00:13.58 | Monet | http://wallpapersdsc.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Wayne-Rooney-Wallpapers-HD.jpg the poster-boy for what Football is like in the UK. |
| 00:14.51 | DrodoEmpire | Canada's crazy over Hockey and American (actual) football |
| 00:15.09 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.13 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:15.17 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah he looks sorta rough |
| 00:15.54 | DrodoEmpire | Actually I wonder whose rougher/tougher- hockey or football (your football) players |
| 00:15.56 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 00:15.58 | Monet | He has a list of bad behaviour accusations five miles long. |
| 00:16.32 | DrodoEmpire | Jesus... |
| 00:16.50 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, at least on hockey player had a heart attack, died, was revived, and asked to be put back in as if nothing happened |
| 00:17.12 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 00:18.47 | Quark8 | How does one download Dark Injection? |
| 00:19.07 | Monet | Regarding aggression hmm |
| 00:19.24 | DrodoEmpire | Quark8: Unsure |
| 00:19.56 | Monet | Well while there are cases of football players using their shoes as weapons, they prefer their own fists. |
| 00:20.26 | The_Randomness | So, apparently someone put 10 bottles worth of detergent in my friend's town's fountain |
| 00:20.26 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 00:20.33 | DrodoEmpire | Jesus |
| 00:20.36 | DrodoEmpire | Why? >.< |
| 00:20.38 | Monet | Bubbly! |
| 00:20.38 | The_Randomness | dunno |
| 00:20.44 | The_Randomness | but there were bubbles everywhere |
| 00:20.53 | DrodoEmpire | I'm sure there were XD |
| 00:21.08 | Monet | The sheer volume of bubbles might have been the only reason. |
| 00:22.17 | DrodoEmpire | Technobliterator, its getting a bit late but are you good to RP? |
| 00:22.35 | Technobliterator | Not really, for the reason you just mentioned :P |
| 00:22.41 | DrodoEmpire | Ah fair enough |
| 00:22.45 | Technobliterator | I'm a bit tired |
| 00:22.50 | Technobliterator | But tomorrow I'm definitely good |
| 00:22.52 | Technobliterator | since I have nothing on |
| 00:22.57 | DrodoEmpire | kk great |
| 00:26.45 | Quark8 | Damnit. Apparently Dark Injection does not work with Steam versions of Spore. |
| 00:26.58 | Tek0516 | You sure? |
| 00:27.18 | Tek0516 | Or are you installing it in the wrong spot? |
| 00:28.32 | Quark8 | I looked at what seems to be the official site on davoonline.com. |
| 00:28.46 | Quark8 | http://davoonline.com/sporemodder/rob55rod/DI_9r/DI9r.html |
| 00:28.55 | Hachiman | But |
| 00:29.01 | Hachiman | I use the Steam version of Spore |
| 00:29.10 | Hachiman | And DarkInj works just fine |
| 00:29.39 | Quark8 | Huh. |
| 00:29.58 | Quark8 | Where did you get DI? |
| 00:32.44 | Hachiman | From the site |
| 00:33.16 | Hachiman | I think it's just 9.r that doesn't work |
| 00:34.27 | Quark8 | Thanks. |
| 00:59.37 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 00:59.44 | Quark8 | passed |
| 01:02.07 | DrodoEmpire | yuy |
| 01:06.42 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 01:10.22 | Quark8 | failed |
| 01:10.59 | Quark8 | 33.3% due to forgetting to capitalize "test" or add a period to the end. |
| 01:11.34 | DrodoEmpire | >: |
| 01:12.06 | Quark8 | Cheer up. :> |
| 01:12.20 | DrodoEmpire | kk |
| 01:13.23 | Quark8 | DrodoEmpire: When you created the Drodo Empire, what parts did you finish first? |
| 01:13.37 | DrodoEmpire | Tough question |
| 01:13.54 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno honestly |
| 01:14.14 | DrodoEmpire | I never thought of the page as "finished" |
| 01:14.30 | DrodoEmpire | Though |
| 01:14.52 | DrodoEmpire | The most important bits to write are definitely government, military, culture/society and relations |
| 01:14.56 | DrodoEmpire | History is last |
| 01:17.22 | Quark8 | I see. |
| 01:17.32 | Quark8 | In that case, I've been doing it wrong. |
| 01:18.26 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh perhaps |
| 01:18.40 | DrodoEmpire | I just see history as a long thing that adds comparitively little |
| 01:27.58 | Quark8 | Makes sense for the history prior to any involvement in stories. The only reason I did history first was because it is easy to write it for me. |
| 01:28.16 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 01:28.22 | Quark8 | I'm no good at military-related stuff, though. |
| 01:29.19 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 01:29.24 | DrodoEmpire | I could definitely help there |
| 01:58.27 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 03:17.16 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 03:49.22 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqQv0OZWcAErg93.jpg:large |
| 04:19.26 | DrodoEmpire | AYO |
| 04:19.29 | DrodoEmpire | HOOL UP |
| 04:19.33 | DrodoEmpire | SO YOU IS BE SAYIN |
| 04:19.50 | DrodoEmpire | THAT PDX GAMES ARE 80% OFF AND SHIT |
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| 08:42.37 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 08:47.25 | Ghelae | Hi |
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| 10:12.03 | Xho | So I figured out why my clock was weird |
| 10:12.16 | Xho | Turns out it was in an utterly different time zone |
| 10:12.50 | Liquid_Ink | Which timezone? |
| 10:12.54 | Xho | -12 |
| 10:14.50 | Liquid_Ink | Isn't that the exact opposite side of the world? |
| 10:17.24 | Xho | More or less |
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| 11:08.08 | Xho | So my cousin took a look at the computer |
| 11:08.14 | Xho | Apparently the motherboard's fucked |
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| 11:22.42 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 11:23.36 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 11:24.57 | Xho | panda of oz |
| 11:27.07 | NeonPanda | we're off to see the panda~! the wonderful panda of oz~! |
| 11:27.08 | NeonPanda | kill me |
| 11:28.19 | Xho | gladly |
| 11:28.43 | Xho | I have an extremely sore throat atm |
| 11:28.48 | Xho | Burning it away with spirits |
| 11:29.34 | NeonPanda | Doctor: I have good news, you're dying. Patient: How is that good news? Doctor: You've been posting nihilist memes all week. Patient: ... |
| 11:31.03 | Xho | gg |
| 11:37.29 | NeonPanda | now to make space crab people |
| 11:39.03 | NeonPanda | fun fact: hermit crabs are not, in fact, crabs |
| 11:47.10 | Xho | krehbs |
| 11:52.43 | NeonPanda | also their bodies look really weird out of the shell, like they're actually asymmetrical by design |
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| 12:42.16 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 12:43.31 | NeonPanda | hi u |
| 12:43.34 | NeonPanda | writin space crabs |
| 12:46.05 | Hachiman | space AIDs |
| 12:47.09 | NeonPanda | trust the pervbunny to go straight for STDs |
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| 12:54.01 | NeonPanda | so basically, currently on large (and I mean elephant-sized) crablike arthropods which originate from a highly tropical planet, notable both for its very high oxygen density in atmosphere and its high humidity |
| 12:55.15 | NeonPanda | which leads to basically the same conditions we had during some prehistoric periods (such as when we had man-sized centipedes), only in this case dominated by crabs rather than bugs |
| 12:56.24 | OluapPlayer | I don't know the context but it's cool because crabs are cool |
| 12:58.56 | NeonPanda | I'm makin t4 space crabs to smash against t4 space lizards that totally aren't the Fordanta for the sake of having something fiction related to amuse myself with |
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| 13:22.33 | Xho | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNYf894ZM8U Tuuros Galactic Anthem |
| 13:23.15 | Hachiman | Hrantaec - YOUR A FUCKING CUNT |
| 13:23.21 | Hachiman | YOU'RE* |
| 13:23.30 | Xho | Nijusi - #rude |
| 13:29.51 | Wormy_ | I got aggro off some chavvy crackhead last night, all I did was glance at a traffic light next to me and he tried to pick a fight on me for looking at him, I just ignored. |
| 13:30.51 | Wormy_ | Then I got really pissed and missed my train, getting stranded and having to call expensive taxi home |
| 13:31.04 | Wormy_ | missed my train after a gig |
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| 13:31.11 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 13:31.16 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 13:33.31 | Quark8 | Hello OluapPlayer. |
| 13:35.05 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.13 | drom | Wormy_ Sucks man, good thing you got home anyway |
| 13:36.18 | Wormy_ | Yeah I honestly don't like walking around city centres at midnight or later |
| 13:36.45 | Wormy_ | People get started on for no reason |
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| 13:43.30 | Quark8 | Hello. |
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| 13:57.56 | Monet | Hi |
| 13:57.56 | Quark8 | Hello Monet. |
| 13:58.59 | Xho | Hi |
| 13:59.13 | Xho | Also I'm back |
| 13:59.49 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 14:12.35 | Monet | Hi |
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| 14:38.03 | Monet | Hello |
| 14:39.21 | Xho | Hi |
| 14:39.28 | Xho | Ah dammit I was about to ask Quark a question as well |
| 14:40.00 | OluapPlayer | fokin ded |
| 14:42.13 | Hachiman | What were you gonna ask him? |
| 14:42.19 | Xho | Something about his fiction |
| 14:42.32 | Xho | He says they're Zhulultu worshippers so I was wondering about their stance on the Xhodocto |
| 14:43.23 | OluapPlayer | "10/10 its ok" |
| 14:43.55 | Xho | doi |
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| 14:53.46 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 14:54.13 | Wormy_ | http://phys.org/news/2016-09-jupiter-north-pole-encountered-solar.html |
| 14:58.27 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_zUweqyDZ4 Xhodocto: How To |
| 14:59.15 | Xho | Proceed with caution |
| 15:00.05 | OluapPlayer | >33 minutes long |
| 15:00.06 | OluapPlayer | http://67.media.tumblr.com/010409d3e9659fc0fc1500d2e803ba04/tumblr_mmuiy9lHXm1qckp4qo1_1280.png |
| 15:01.33 | Xho | didn't say twas quick |
| 15:03.22 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: So there's and island of mangrove trees that floats and rotates in Brazil https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/ice-circles-and-now-their-jungle-cousins.883773/ |
| 15:04.33 | Ghelae | has a look |
| 15:06.32 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx201uqVgDA |
| 15:07.43 | Xho | doot |
| 15:11.06 | Xho | Has anyone got the link to the most recent Dark Injection |
| 15:13.37 | Xho | Actually no I won't bother running Spore on this desktop |
| 15:19.17 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/4ledR |
| 15:25.26 | Hachiman | Apparently Dark Injection 9.r doesn't work on Steam versions of Spore |
| 15:27.35 | Xho | Well it worked on my Spore |
| 15:27.50 | Xho | At least I think it was 9.something |
| 15:29.03 | OluapPlayer | It does since I use it |
| 15:34.54 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://pp.vk.me/c636518/v636518376/21a5d/6HEx1AXL3nM.jpg Fallout New Vegas |
| 15:35.12 | Xho | Gambling Simulator 2281 |
| 15:35.33 | Xho | filthy degenerates |
| 15:38.04 | Hachiman | Monet: So, I just learned that of all people, Alfred Pennyworth was one of the few to actually claim to have defeated Superman |
| 15:40.01 | Hachiman | In the Injustice: Gods Among Us comics based on the game, after witnessing a fight between Superman and Batman in which Superman breaks Batman's back, Alfred takes some sort of nanotech pill which grants him temporary invulnerability and significantly enhanced strength so he can take on Superman and protect Bruce |
| 15:40.29 | OluapPlayer | I remember people posting a comic page showing Alfred beating the shit out of Superman |
| 15:40.38 | OluapPlayer | One panel had him kick Superman in the head so hard his shoe explodes |
| 15:41.06 | Wormy_ | Those two need to stick to the deal of Superman protecting the world by day and Batman protecting the world \at night |
| 15:41.53 | Hachiman | Wormy_: In Injustice, Superman decides to use his powers to conquer the world so he can found a superhero-governed empire of order over Earth and mankind |
| 15:42.11 | Hachiman | Under the cause that mankind cannot protect or better itself |
| 15:42.16 | Wormy_ | Huh |
| 15:42.22 | Hachiman | So he decides to do it for them |
| 15:43.58 | Hachiman | All the while he kills, or sends allies and underlings to kill, any heroes or villains that do not conform to his regime of law and order, with Batman heading an underground resistance against Superman's empire |
| 15:47.05 | Hachiman | I believe that this was after Joker had somehow managed to convince Superman that Lois Lane was Doomsday, which resulted in him brutally killing her and their unborn child, to serve as a distraction whilst Joker himself set off a nuke that destroys Metropolis |
| 16:12.52 | NeonPanda | that game was a whole lot of dumb |
| 16:12.53 | Monet | Loyal to the very end |
| 16:13.20 | Monet | takes some real dickery to send Alfred on the offensive |
| 16:15.11 | Hachiman | Thing is, Alfred not only survived, but *won* that fight with Superman |
| 16:16.03 | Hachiman | Makes me wonder if whatever martial arts that were taught during Alfred's time in the British armed forces / secret service are superior to the martial arts Superman uses |
| 16:16.22 | NeonPanda | Superman was never a *good* fighter |
| 16:16.39 | Wormy_ | "Coalition Delpha plagued by STD epidemic!" |
| 16:16.41 | Wormy_ | Jesus |
| 16:16.42 | NeonPanda | he's just, well, superman |
| 16:17.02 | Hachiman | I tend to forget Superman even has martial arts considering he either fights at range or just outright brawls and punches things when in melee |
| 16:18.03 | Monet | Alfred I think is versed in kickboxing |
| 16:18.05 | Xho | superman op pls kryptonite |
| 16:18.35 | NeonPanda | ok, looked it up, and discounting one story where apparently he knows some form of Kryptonian martial arts, all he knows is some basic earth boxing, and what Batman taught him |
| 16:19.01 | NeonPanda | so yeah, he's actually just a really mediocre fighter with superpowers :P |
| 16:19.48 | Hachiman | I think it is very possible to wear Superman down and defeat him without kryptonite; Darkseid has done it on numerous occasions and Superman is also weak to stuff like actual magic |
| 16:20.01 | Hachiman | Needs Doctor Doom kicking Superman's ass at some point |
| 16:20.30 | Hachiman | Oh wait, Doom's Marvel, fuck |
| 16:20.32 | Monet | You don't need much combat knowledge when you can break fists with your chest |
| 16:20.47 | NeonPanda | I still can't take Darkseid's name seriously when it's just a really lame rewriting of Darkside |
| 16:21.26 | Hachiman | Now I understand why Zodd, an experienced soldier and Kryptonian warrior, would give Superman so much trouble |
| 16:21.46 | Hachiman | And yes, Darkseid's name is goofy |
| 16:22.30 | NeonPanda | Impotent Rage still best superhero |
| 16:22.30 | Wormy_ | new national happenings https://www.nationstates.net/nation=coalition_delpha |
| 16:23.17 | Hachiman | Huh, NationStates has changed |
| 16:23.32 | Wormy_ | indeed |
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| 16:26.42 | Wormy_ | Hm, so I had a coffee that tasted soapy even though I washed the cup out. Drank it anyway, now have pins and needles in fingers and feet |
| 16:27.15 | Hachiman | RIP |
| 16:27.31 | Tek0516 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1472913323-20160903.png |
| 16:27.33 | OluapPlayer | That whole sentence made very little sense to me |
| 16:27.44 | Tek0516 | RIP Wormy_ and his coherence |
| 16:27.58 | Wormy_ | Think I've been slightly poisoned by washing up liquid residue in a cup |
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| 16:28.11 | dino82_ | hi |
| 16:28.12 | Wormy_ | But otherwise feel well |
| 16:28.15 | Wormy_ | Hi |
| 16:30.51 | Monet | Hi |
| 16:34.28 | Wormy_ | Can't be worse than all the cider I downed last night |
| 16:35.24 | dino82_ | :d |
| 16:37.02 | Wormy_ | drom: What do you use to host your website? Github? |
| 16:37.18 | Wormy_ | Google Drive are finishing it |
| 16:38.15 | Wormy_ | I want it to be free as its only a low traffic site for some students and my portfolio work |
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| 16:42.49 | Hachiman | Looks like Chinese tonight |
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| 16:56.48 | Xho | Well it looks like my cat is going to have to be put to sleep |
| 16:56.53 | Xho | She's in a moribund state as it is |
| 16:58.46 | dino82_ | aw so sorry to hear tat |
| 17:01.21 | drom | Wormy_ the one at wurmz.net? |
| 17:01.36 | drom | It is a friend of mine actually. |
| 17:02.30 | Wormy_ | Oh yes, I remember you saying now |
| 17:02.38 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.36 | Wormy_ | Spu: Sorry to hear |
| 17:03.58 | drom | I know "afterburner" as a VMS host |
| 17:06.44 | Xho | Also, Dominion post on the UDB because space!isis |
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| 17:09.23 | Xho | >tfw space clickbait starts a war |
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| 17:15.32 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 17:16.37 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrY7vmeXgAAO45A.jpg:large |
| 17:17.23 | dino82_ | hi |
| 17:19.14 | Monet | Xho: "blah blah petty mortals, blah blah resistance is futile" |
| 17:19.33 | Xho | Angazhar - well hes not wrong |
| 17:20.32 | Xho | Well I bought two vinyls |
| 17:20.54 | Xho | One is for Meshuggah's new album and the other is for Sol Niger Within |
| 17:23.23 | Monet | I agree with Michele though. The high king of the Rambo is basically accusing France of being disrespectful due to the sci fi equivalent of a TMZ opinion article |
| 17:25.18 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 17:25.32 | DrodoEmpire | An article from a news company that isn't based either in France or in the Drodo Empire |
| 17:25.33 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 17:25.53 | Xho | Dominion - all is haram get extincted |
| 17:26.09 | Monet | Rambert has the right to challenge the article but it's not a representative of Drodo State opinion |
| 17:26.33 | Monet | Oh not Drodo |
| 17:26.48 | dino82_ | but he can ask the government of the neutrality Zone to condemn the article, comparing him to such an evil person in Terran History is quite disgusting |
| 17:27.07 | DrodoEmpire | Sure, he can get upset |
| 17:27.18 | OluapPlayer_ | bomb the humans pls |
| 17:27.25 | OluapPlayer_ | rambo need to go rambo on them |
| 17:27.31 | DrodoEmpire | ...But that doesn't change the fact that this wasn't even a neutrality zone paper |
| 17:27.39 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 17:27.44 | DrodoEmpire | So yeah Rambert made a blunder here |
| 17:28.22 | OluapPlayer_ | dino82_: I always wanted to know. Did you name the Rambo after the movie or was it coincidence? |
| 17:28.49 | dino82_ | @Oluap: It is coincidence :D |
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| 17:29.07 | dino82_ | @Drodo: Perhaps |
| 17:29.18 | Monet2 | Rambert can certainly make his case to the Observer |
| 17:29.31 | OluapPlayer_ | Right |
| 17:29.35 | OluapPlayer_ | A funny coincidence then |
| 17:29.44 | dino82_ | @Oluap: Yeah "D |
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| 17:33.08 | Hachiman | I suppose Koluap could count as the wiki's own Rambo |
| 17:34.16 | Monet | I'd argue that by 2800 Hitler's name becomes as dreaded to usher as Stalin or Genghis Chan. Josef Stalin did kill many more than Hitler |
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| 17:34.53 | OluapPlayer_ | Godwin's law nonetheless |
| 17:36.23 | OluapPlayer_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLY6sfmFQaA also this is the so-awaited Duke Nukem announcement |
| 17:36.50 | Monet2 | Worse dictators may come and go |
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| 17:37.20 | DrodoEmpire | Still, more for laughs |
| 17:39.59 | Monet | Voldermort started the books and films with a reputation of "he who must not be named" which eventually died out |
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| 17:53.50 | NeonPanda | your reputation would die out too if you got your panties kicked by the one kid five times before he hit puberty |
| 17:54.29 | Xho | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.31 | Xho | GENGHIS CHAN |
| 17:54.49 | NeonPanda | NOTICE ME GENGHIS CHAAAAAAN~~~~ |
| 17:55.01 | NeonPanda | we were all thinking it, just maybe not to that extreme |
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| 18:02.26 | Tek0516 | Hey Charles_Mac and The_Randomness |
| 18:02.32 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 18:02.35 | Charles_Mac | Hey |
| 18:02.35 | Tek0516 | And Monet |
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| 18:45.23 | Hachiman | What are we gonna do on the bed, Genghis Chan~? |
| 18:45.28 | Hachiman | Also back from Chinese |
| 18:46.35 | Xho | oh god help |
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| 18:53.34 | Luxor | evening |
| 18:54.14 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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| 19:15.15 | Xho | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/128/572/f7c.jpg Oh god my sides |
| 19:15.38 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 19:17.50 | Xho | Hm |
| 19:18.09 | Xho | Fantasyverse wise, I'm wondering whether Longinus' tattoos are actually scarification instead |
| 19:24.40 | Xho | Seems like a more brutal ritual than tattooing |
| 19:24.50 | Xho | Is it possible to transfer data from an internal hard drive to another |
| 19:24.59 | Xho | I guess I need a conversion device |
| 19:27.02 | drom | Charles_Murray DrodoEmpire Xho dino82_: Obligatory http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OJSVNTXSUPw/UoqIF2VTVXI/AAAAAAAAPD4/smFqsGsF-pI/s1600/internet-reality.gif |
| 19:31.13 | dino82_ | haha lol |
| 19:31.33 | Monet_2 | Xho: What do you need transferring? |
| 19:34.04 | Xho | My old internal HDD to a new internal HDD |
| 19:34.53 | Xho | Looks like this might be it for the cat |
| 19:41.05 | Xho | Yeah we're taking her up now, she's too ill to even stand properly |
| 19:42.19 | DrodoEmpire | Oh |
| 19:42.24 | DrodoEmpire | Sad to hear |
| 19:45.41 | Monet_2 | The poor thing. Maybe it is time. |
| 19:46.02 | Xho | Definitely, she's leaning up against things to stand |
| 19:46.45 | Xho | Really weird that our two cats were both put down in September |
| 19:52.25 | Xho | 17 1/2 years though, gotta give it to her |
| 19:52.45 | Monet_2 | She lived long. |
| 19:56.35 | drom | Xho: I know the pain. Your cat had spent eight of their lives. |
| 19:59.03 | Xho | nine in england |
| 19:59.33 | Xho | I saw her last night and thought she wouldn't last until the end of today |
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| 20:05.54 | Xho | My sister's gone up to the vet with my dad to put her down and I'm gonna have to drive her home |
| 20:06.04 | Xho | 99 percent chance she'll be wailing her way home |
| 20:07.40 | Xho | We got the two cats in 1999, geez |
| 20:07.42 | Xho | 1999 |
| 20:12.03 | Imperios | Hi |
| 20:12.37 | NeonPanda | Xho: scarification eh? gotta love the high risk of deep tissue infection and constant second degree sunburns :P |
| 20:12.58 | Xho | Longinus - hashtag heliomancer |
| 20:20.23 | Xho | Or heliomatic branding |
| 20:20.24 | Xho | Hm |
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| 20:35.57 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 20:36.15 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 20:50.20 | Imperios | hIYA |
| 20:50.21 | Imperios | Hiya |
| 20:51.45 | Tybusen | counters Imperios' karate kick with a judo chop |
| 20:52.38 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 20:53.12 | DrodoEmpire | Hey Technobliterator, would you be able to RP? :D |
| 20:53.24 | Technobliterator | Sure, in a few minutes |
| 20:53.27 | DrodoEmpire | kk |
| 20:53.37 | Technobliterator | I'll need the link |
| 20:54.25 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 21:05.15 | Xho | Well that's it, the cat is no longer |
| 21:06.07 | Wormy_ | harambe at Burning Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi8_CLY3fAo |
| 21:07.34 | Wormy_ | I'm sorry to hear, sounded like it had a long life. |
| 21:07.45 | Xho | 17 years so |
| 21:07.48 | Xho | super long |
| 21:11.30 | Monet_2 | She lived long, and died peacefully |
| 21:17.24 | dino82_ | @Xho: Srry to hear that Xho, my condolences to you! |
| 21:17.26 | Wormy_ | Quark gets Hurt A Lot (DS9) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilNBC36v-qI |
| 21:20.55 | Xho | Apparently she went as soon as they gave her the injection |
| 21:21.06 | Xho | Wouldn't surprise me, she was a tiny cat |
| 21:23.31 | dino82_ | lol |
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| 21:41.50 | Monet_2 | Technobliterator: https://www.twitch.tv/pax3 FFXV panel |
| 21:42.07 | Technobliterator | :o |
| 21:42.10 | Technobliterator | I intend to keep up with it |
| 21:42.17 | Monet_2 | they're showing live footage tonight. |
| 21:44.27 | Technobliterator | What they've shown so far has been pretty amazing |
| 21:46.42 | Imperios | Tybusen: Is it wrong that I imagine GSC subjects speaking with heavy Spanish accents? |
| 21:46.54 | Imperios | It's probably their names |
| 21:47.16 | Tybusen | Well, they are pretty much Space Spain and Italy |
| 21:47.23 | Tybusen | So that's about right on the money |
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| 21:47.40 | Tybusen | I imagine them with Spanish or Italian accents |
| 21:53.27 | Monet_2 | Technobliterator: There's a lot of black in the protagonists' design |
| 21:53.38 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 21:53.44 | Technobliterator | It's Nomura's art style |
| 21:53.49 | Monet_2 | black car, black leather, black shoes... |
| 21:55.09 | Monet_2 | Isn't the idea that this nation the protagonist comes from uses some powerful energy source to make itself quite advanced? |
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| 21:56.43 | Technobliterator | yeah, that's right |
| 21:56.45 | Technobliterator | And he's the prince of it |
| 21:57.12 | Technobliterator | So part of his character development is accepting that he'll need to fill the role of king eventually |
| 21:58.03 | Monet_2 | The black makes me think the nation loves its oil |
| 21:58.24 | Monet_2 | One of the team wearing a biker jacket helps this. |
| 21:58.32 | Technobliterator | heh |
| 22:00.03 | Monet_2 | So there's maybe some metaphor for the energy crisis. |
| 22:00.58 | Technobliterator | Wouldn't surprise me, the series has done it before |
| 22:01.00 | Technobliterator | with FFVII |
| 22:02.00 | Monet_2 | VII was about the damage petrolium reliance caused on the world |
| 22:02.23 | Monet_2 | This one looks to be focusing on "what do we do when all the oil runs out?" |
| 22:04.24 | Monet_2 | Wait "Ignis" and "Noctis"? |
| 22:05.55 | Technobliterator | Noctis, Ignis, Prompto, Gladio |
| 22:06.03 | Monet_2 | If a black-haired, black-dressed guy with the Latin for "Night" isn't symbolic I don't know what is. |
| 22:06.09 | Technobliterator | Well |
| 22:06.30 | Technobliterator | They had a blonde haired, yellow dressed guy named "Sun" before :P |
| 22:06.59 | Monet_2 | Eh true. |
| 22:08.27 | Monet_2 | So I decided to look up a possible translation for "Noctis Lucis Caelum" using google. |
| 22:09.13 | Imperios | It doesn't |
| 22:09.18 | Imperios | IT's just three nouns |
| 22:09.21 | Imperios | IT does not have a translation |
| 22:09.37 | Imperios | Actually wait |
| 22:09.51 | Imperios | "Noctis" and "Lucis" are genitive I think |
| 22:09.54 | Imperios | So it could be translated as |
| 22:10.05 | Imperios | "Of night and of light [is] the sky" |
| 22:10.06 | Technobliterator | Well, the literal translation is "night light sky", so |
| 22:10.08 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 22:10.16 | Monet_2 | Yeah I get "of night" [Noctis], Lucis [light] the Chisel constellation [Caelum] |
| 22:10.26 | Imperios | Yes I was right |
| 22:10.36 | Imperios | Technobliterator: *of* night |
| 22:10.42 | Imperios | CASES, JO, CASES |
| 22:10.53 | Monet_2 | "Light of the night sky"? |
| 22:11.06 | Monet_2 | perhaps? |
| 22:11.06 | Imperios | Nah |
| 22:11.37 | Imperios | That'd be Lux Solis Nocturni |
| 22:11.50 | Monet_2 | Lucis is the name of the kingdom Noctis is prince of. |
| 22:12.03 | Technobliterator | mhm |
| 22:12.03 | Imperios | "Of-light" |
| 22:12.09 | Imperios | "Of-night" |
| 22:12.22 | Imperios | Fucking sweet names hur |
| 22:12.30 | Imperios | Prince Of-night of of-Light |
| 22:13.46 | Imperios | Bah it's just a snob speaking in me |
| 22:14.08 | Imperios | Actually it makes sense |
| 22:14.22 | Imperios | Prince whose name means "One who is of night" |
| 22:14.27 | Technobliterator | :P |
| 22:14.45 | Technobliterator | Yeah, the latin symbolism is supposed to be big in the naming for this game |
| 22:14.57 | Monet_2 | And awe have a rival kingdom called *Niffelheim* |
| 22:15.16 | Monet_2 | As in the Nordic land of ghosts. |
| 22:16.00 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: It is not *GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT LATIN* though |
| 22:16.09 | Technobliterator | Of course |
| 22:16.16 | ImpyDroid | GRAMMATIK MACHT FREI |
| 22:16.33 | ImpyDroid | "Nocturnus" or "Nocturnia" or just "Nox" would work better |
| 22:16.53 | Technobliterator | ohhh snap |
| 22:16.56 | ImpyDroid | I am just kidding here lol |
| 22:16.56 | Technobliterator | Aranea Highwind |
| 22:17.44 | Technobliterator | of course |
| 22:17.46 | Technobliterator | the stream cuts |
| 22:17.48 | Monet_2 | Well calling the kingdom Lucis based on its key feature - its high technology - makes some sense. |
| 22:18.26 | Monet_2 | A land where the juice of electricity flows freely and cheaply. A land -of light' |
| 22:20.55 | Monet_2 | "highwind" and "Niffelheim" go so well together. |
| 22:21.58 | ImpyDroid | Monet: So how exactly does the PM affect the Parliament in the UK? |
| 22:22.09 | ImpyDroid | As in how do the two institutions interact? |
| 22:23.04 | ImpyDroid | Trying to read on British history and apparently the PM was seen as a way to control the parliament, at least in the past, but I do not understand what legal powers he wields for that purpose |
| 22:23.18 | Monet_2 | The PM elects the cabinet, for one |
| 22:23.52 | Monet_2 | Though any legislation has to get majority approval from the house of commons. |
| 22:24.34 | ImpyDroid | Right, but doesn't the Cabinet belong to a different branch of government than the Parliament? |
| 22:24.40 | ImpyDroid | Executive rather than legislative |
| 22:24.54 | Monet_2 | Yes. But the PM acts as the party head for the majority party. |
| 22:25.05 | ImpyDroid | Right, so he is the mouthpiece in a sense |
| 22:25.16 | Technobliterator | Or minority party |
| 22:25.21 | Technobliterator | or coalition |
| 22:25.21 | ImpyDroid | And how does the Cabinet affect the Parliament? |
| 22:25.27 | Technobliterator | But right now it's majority |
| 22:25.47 | Monet_2 | The cabinet ministers are the heads of their respective ministries. |
| 22:25.53 | ImpyDroid | Jopposition |
| 22:26.06 | Technobliterator | The Shadow Cabinet is basically worthless, though |
| 22:26.15 | ImpyDroid | Jo is probably one of the most anti-government people here |
| 22:26.23 | Technobliterator | haha |
| 22:26.38 | ImpyDroid | More than Tybusen, but less than Liquid_Ink |
| 22:26.39 | Technobliterator | I'm not exactly an anarchist |
| 22:26.53 | Monet_2 | She's right about the shadow cabinet though. They basically exist to argue and oppose the proposals of the cabinet. |
| 22:27.01 | Technobliterator | Mhm |
| 22:27.15 | Technobliterator | It's just a title |
| 22:27.39 | ImpyDroid | Right so it is the cabinet that does most of the decisions |
| 22:27.59 | ImpyDroid | And the Parliament mostly discusses them |
| 22:28.28 | Technobliterator | Votes on them more than discusses them |
| 22:28.47 | Monet_2 | The cabinet I think proposes policy. The house of Lords scrutinises any proposed legislation while the house of Commons votes for it. |
| 22:29.44 | ImpyDroid | Your system is so different from ours |
| 22:29.46 | Monet_2 | Basically for any act to pass it has to bounce between the three houses until most people in each body are satisfied. |
| 22:29.52 | ImpyDroid | We are closer to the US in that regard |
| 22:30.07 | ImpyDroid | Right |
| 22:30.26 | Tybusen | I'm not really anti-government |
| 22:30.31 | Tybusen | I just hate corrupt government |
| 22:30.34 | Technobliterator | ^ |
| 22:30.36 | Tybusen | AKA US government |
| 22:30.37 | ImpyDroid | So the Parliament does not actually actively *propose* acts? |
| 22:30.47 | Technobliterator | oh, Tybusen |
| 22:30.54 | Tybusen | I'm more of a social democrat in terms of politics |
| 22:30.58 | Tybusen | Ja? |
| 22:31.02 | Technobliterator | I have found a job that I may well be getting in LA when I graduate :o |
| 22:31.04 | ImpyDroid | git on our level of corruption plz |
| 22:31.07 | Tybusen | Ooh nice |
| 22:31.13 | Technobliterator | It's with Google |
| 22:31.25 | Tybusen | Ooh, that will pay well |
| 22:31.25 | Technobliterator | And has employed several graduates from my uni before |
| 22:31.30 | ImpyDroid | I want to work in Google â¢~⢠|
| 22:31.36 | Wormy_ | You'll be working with the dark side 8/8 |
| 22:31.38 | ImpyDroid | It is a really good prospect for my speciality |
| 22:31.39 | Technobliterator | Yeah, software developer is the 4th highest paying job in LA |
| 22:32.02 | ImpyDroid | There are few companies that need *my* speciality specifically |
| 22:32.06 | Technobliterator | Of course |
| 22:32.11 | ImpyDroid | And Google is one of them |
| 22:32.15 | Technobliterator | I need to graduate and build up my resume first |
| 22:32.30 | Technobliterator | and probably intern with Wikia first as well |
| 22:32.41 | ImpyDroid | But it ain't easy to get to Google from Vodkaland |
| 22:32.51 | Monet_2 | Technobliterator: Take that Wikia offer. |
| 22:33.14 | Monet_2 | Most companies are looking for applicants with prior experience. |
| 22:33.16 | Tybusen | Yeah, getting an internship with Wikia would definitely help as far as experience goes |
| 22:33.32 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Right so |
| 22:33.48 | ImpyDroid | The PM appoints the Cabinet |
| 22:33.52 | Tybusen | Prestigious companies like Google are especially looking for experience since many people who apply for their positions have good academics and the like |
| 22:33.52 | Technobliterator | yup |
| 22:33.55 | Technobliterator | That's the plan |
| 22:34.04 | ImpyDroid | The Cabinet determines policy and suggests acts and laws |
| 22:34.09 | Technobliterator | experience basically trumps everything |
| 22:34.26 | ImpyDroid | The House of Lords and the House of Commons discuss and vote on them |
| 22:34.32 | ImpyDroid | Right? |
| 22:34.57 | Monet_2 | ImpyDroid: I believe so. |
| 22:35.18 | Monet_2 | Although the House of Commons is more of a theatre than a forum. |
| 22:35.30 | ImpyDroid | Okay having actual competent people suggest laws probably does wonders for you |
| 22:35.35 | Monet_2 | The actual discourse goes in in Parliament's halls and Westminster's offices. |
| 22:36.37 | ImpyDroid | Here laws are largely proposed by deputies of the Duma directly |
| 22:36.39 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 22:36.44 | ImpyDroid | Which makes things... awful |
| 22:36.52 | Technobliterator | and it's generally full of just useless bickering because all the MPs are immature |
| 22:36.56 | ImpyDroid | Because we have people like Vasily Milonov |
| 22:37.10 | Monet_2 | Well if you call "guy with the single-minded goal of dismantling the NHS made minister of health" then yeah, competent. |
| 22:37.17 | ImpyDroid | Also all of them are Putin's lapdog |
| 22:37.20 | ImpyDroid | *lapdogs |
| 22:37.42 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: So MPs do not suggest laws themselves right |
| 22:37.57 | Technobliterator | Jeremy Hunt is probably the worst Cabinet guy aside from Boris Johnson |
| 22:38.06 | Technobliterator | No, they do not |
| 22:38.10 | Monet_2 | MPs can propose an idea to the cabinet. |
| 22:38.13 | Monet_2 | I think |
| 22:38.44 | ImpyDroid | right |
| 22:39.10 | Monet_2 | MPs can still push their constituencies' agendas in Westminster but actual bills are codified by the cabinet, scrutinised by the house of lords and voted on in the house of commons. |
| 22:39.45 | Technobliterator | mhm |
| 22:40.56 | Monet_2 | I learned though Yes Minister that the House of Commons is mainly for actual voting and putting on a display of politics working for the public. |
| 22:41.57 | Technobliterator | I mean, it's totally meaningless anyway |
| 22:42.07 | Technobliterator | Given how both big parties basically vote the same way anyway |
| 22:42.29 | Monet_2 | Except for Brexit. |
| 22:42.43 | Technobliterator | Except for that |
| 22:43.55 | NeonPanda | Australia's system works basically the same way at federal and state level, only Queensland doesn't have an upper house (= the house of lords) for some stupid reason |
| 22:43.58 | Monet_2 | I recall vaguely that a good deal of the time, the parties look consistent because the party whips are doing their job. |
| 22:44.41 | Monet_2 | No one wants to see their party split on what to consider. It makes the party look weak. |
| 22:44.47 | NeonPanda | at the local level things are a bit more straightforward because it's mostly the local member sorting everything out |
| 22:45.24 | ImpyDroid | NeonPanda: I suppose it makes sense, you have the Westminster system as well |
| 22:45.45 | NeonPanda | basically, we just bastardised it a little |
| 22:45.45 | ImpyDroid | Another thing I found weird when reading up on British political system |
| 22:45.55 | ImpyDroid | You don't have a proper constitution |
| 22:45.58 | ImpyDroid | That is weird |
| 22:45.59 | NeonPanda | y'know, I just realised something |
| 22:46.09 | ImpyDroid | Hm? |
| 22:46.13 | NeonPanda | I type in american english but write in queen's |
| 22:46.26 | ImpyDroid | Huh |
| 22:46.40 | ImpyDroid | I just use British English everywhere |
| 22:46.51 | Monet_2 | The parliamentary system and its bastardised siblings is one of Britain's legacies. |
| 22:48.14 | Technobliterator | I type in American English sometimes because CSS is in American English |
| 22:48.15 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 22:48.17 | NeonPanda | that and forgetting that it's not an Empire anymore :P |
| 22:49.11 | NeonPanda | https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/nintchdbpict000261396622.jpg?w=960 this tweet made me laugh because a significant portion of that number is just Australia and New Zealand |
| 22:49.36 | Monet_2 | Ew the Sun. |
| 22:49.58 | Monet_2 | I remember this stupid tart. |
| 22:50.32 | Monet_2 | Given the map behind her do you think her maths includes the USA? |
| 22:50.44 | Technobliterator | hahaha |
| 22:51.32 | NeonPanda | if it does then everyone who isn't America or Australia really put no work in |
| 22:51.52 | NeonPanda | cos as individual countries go, America alone would account for 2/3 of that |
| 22:52.16 | NeonPanda | 1/3* |
| 22:52.48 | Monet_2 | Schoolboy error mixing the first and secodn empires |
| 22:53.09 | Monet_2 | Or dickwaving your union jack |
| 22:53.29 | NeonPanda | in fact, not counting GB, Australia is the only Commonwealth nation in the top 10 |
| 22:54.12 | Monet_2 | I remember hearing Britain returned with more gold medals than it won in 2012. |
| 22:55.18 | NeonPanda | nope, two less |
| 22:55.23 | NeonPanda | 27 in 2016, 29 in 2012 |
| 22:56.09 | Monet_2 | Or were they talking about Beijing? |
| 22:59.01 | NeonPanda | you did even worse then XD 19 gold |
| 22:59.19 | Monet_2 | Bah, this just reminds me of how 'great' it was how 'so many' (70%) turned out to vote in the referendum despite the fact that proportional voter turnout has matched what it was in *1997* |
| 22:59.48 | Technobliterator | It honestly doesn't surprise me that it's been on decline |
| 23:00.02 | Technobliterator | Blair was awful, cynicism has only really increased since |
| 23:00.25 | Monet_2 | It's been on the rise since 2001 |
| 23:00.41 | Monet_2 | Where the turnout was 60% |
| 23:01.09 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 23:01.13 | Technobliterator | you're right |
| 23:02.17 | Monet_2 | I find it slightly hilarious that the last great peak turnout was John Major vs Neil Kinnock. |
| 23:03.20 | Monet_2 | Then again maybe Major got points for leading Britain during the First Gulf War. |
| 23:03.41 | Monet_2 | And he was almost killed by the IRA. |
| 23:05.43 | Monet_2 | Maybe that's one of the reasons Blair joined Bush to war - a prime minister or president's approval rating tends to go up if they a) almost died or b) led a country in war. |
| 23:06.17 | Monet_2 | Although normally approval goes up for b if you're the defender. |
| 23:13.10 | Technobliterator | Or because he's a bought off crook with no regard for human life |
| 23:15.17 | Monet_2 | Whatever happened it was a massive blunder. |
| 23:17.29 | Monet_2 | I prefer to think of Blair as trying to play sycophantic best friend with Dubya. |
| 23:18.01 | Monet_2 | Not so much bought off as desperately wanting senpai Murica to notice him. XD |
| 23:19.36 | Technobliterator | lmao |
| 23:21.37 | Monet_2 | So by 2001 I think what happened was everyone was dissatisfied because Blair made loads of crazy promises in his first term and never delivered. |
| 23:22.59 | Monet_2 | Blair was elected PM when I was five. Looking back I grew up watching the emergence of the bullshit he called "our top three priotiyies" |
| 23:23.39 | Technobliterator | Blair was elected PM when I wasn't even one : | |
| 23:24.47 | Monet_2 | So the Iraq war being a desperate attempt to win voter approval is not off the table for me. Both countries were roped up in rhetoric that the war was justice for 9/11. |
| 23:24.59 | Monet_2 | UK and USA |
| 23:25.50 | Monet_2 | Even though it turned out Osama Bin Laden was once just as opposed to Saddam as the U.S. was. |
| 23:26.52 | Charles_Murray | It's a bit more complicated than that |
| 23:27.00 | Monet_2 | I know. |
| 23:27.07 | Monet_2 | The reasons for the war were many |
| 23:27.16 | Charles_Murray | Iraq was a problem for the international community long before 2004 |
| 23:27.25 | Charles_Murray | Long before 1991 even |
| 23:28.12 | DrodoEmpire | Isn't Iraq really just a totally artificial state? >.< |
| 23:28.14 | Monet_2 | To say it was really for oil and make-believe WMDs might be just as oversimplified as saying it was retaliation for 9/11. |
| 23:28.27 | DrodoEmpire | Its got, like Kurds, Arabs, Assyrians, Sunnis, Shia |
| 23:28.49 | The_Randomness | thanks WWI |
| 23:28.49 | DrodoEmpire | How can all these groups who *hate eachother* be forced to live in one state? |
| 23:29.33 | Charles_Murray | 1991 had seen the actual WMD's and nuclear program Saddam was developing halted and UN observers were forced to be allowed to stay in the country to make sure Saddam didn't resume his development efforts |
| 23:29.42 | Charles_Murray | In 1999 (iirc), he kicked them out |
| 23:30.43 | Charles_Murray | And took other moves towards dismantling the 1991 settlement, essentially making moves which convinced everyone he was on the road to (1) rearmament and (2) nuclear rearmament |
| 23:30.56 | Monet_2 | Yeah there's a bit of justification in calling the Iraq War the Second Gulf War. |
| 23:31.14 | DrodoEmpire | "We have yet to find Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, but don't worry- we'll put them there." |
| 23:31.30 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 23:31.33 | *** join/#sporewiki Spluff5 (2f4845fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.72.69.253) |
| 23:31.47 | Monet_2 | We live in a time of black and white rationality and simple answers. |
| 23:32.29 | Technobliterator | I think we've always lived in that time |
| 23:32.31 | NeonPanda | to be fair, there never really wasn't at time of black and white rationality |
| 23:32.34 | Spluff5 | Well no /of/ those I would say. Just one where those are overused to the point where it creates issues of its own. |
| 23:32.35 | Charles_Murray | And on the whole, he wasn't cooperating. The idea at that point was that it had been a mistake to leave him in power and that there would be no way to (1) stop him from getting nuclear weapons eventually but to depose him immediately, to (2) stop him from going Hitler early, and (3) to liberate the people of Iraq from his brutal dictatorship once and for all |
| 23:32.42 | Spluff5 | Hi BTW |
| 23:33.38 | Charles_Murray | The whole "there are WMD's in Iraq" was essentially a confirmation of what everyone expected to find there given Saddam's character and actions |
| 23:33.54 | Charles_Murray | And so that intelligence wasn't really scrutinized |
| 23:34.16 | Monet_2 | Charles_Murray: So the WMD myth was based on how for a time Iraq did once have a WMD program? |
| 23:35.18 | Charles_Murray | And the fact that Saddam was clearly (and this is irrevocably true) breaking his non-proliferation agreement by not allowing UN observers in the country |
| 23:36.24 | Monet_2 | Keeping inspectors out can often be assumed to mean "we don't want inspectors discovering what we're doing" |
| 23:36.44 | Charles_Murray | Exactly |
| 23:37.08 | Charles_Murray | The US leadership absolutely did expect to find WMD's when they went in |
| 23:37.17 | Charles_Murray | And they did |
| 23:37.19 | Charles_Murray | Eventually |
| 23:37.45 | NeonPanda | did they actually? we never really heard the result of that investigation over here |
| 23:37.49 | Charles_Murray | chemical weapons stashed under a lake, having escaped disarmament 1991 |
| 23:38.11 | Charles_Murray | Only problem was that they found out about it only after ISIS captured the area. Oops. |
| 23:38.13 | NeonPanda | well there you go |
| 23:38.26 | Monet_2 | With Britain's involvement in the war, part of it could be Blair trying to cosy to Bush. Part of it I'm now curious if it was to keep Britain relevant; a second Falklands. |
| 23:38.29 | NeonPanda | ahh that would be why I never heard that detail |
| 23:38.39 | Monet_2 | Since the Suez crisis was a bit of a mess. |
| 23:38.53 | Charles_Murray | I'm not sure I'd agree with that |
| 23:39.45 | Wormy_ | But those policy makers were also convinced into believing exaggerated myths as well; for example the US never found nuclear bunker-style facilities buried deep in the mountains of Iraq when they used some of the biggest non-nuclear bombs in their arsenal to destroy the never existing the facilities. |
| 23:40.09 | Charles_Murray | Source? |
| 23:40.13 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 23:40.32 | Wormy_ | Similar kinds of myths were apparent in the cold war era |
| 23:40.35 | Charles_Murray | The possible presence of actual nuclear silos in Iraq would have changed the strategic dynamic completely |
| 23:40.44 | Wormy_ | Power of Nightmares and Bitter Lake by Adam Curtis |
| 23:40.47 | Charles_Murray | And would have made a US attack basically impossible |
| 23:40.59 | Monet_2 | For a long time there's been a general air (which isn't fully true given data) that Britain's sun is setting. In 1997 the Empire was no more after returning Hong Kong to China. |
| 23:41.38 | NeonPanda | I thought the sun never set :P |
| 23:41.45 | Charles_Murray | Wait, you're citing a popular documentary? |
| 23:41.50 | Wormy_ | I actually you'd like his documentaries, brings up many topics you discuss about over-simplication of the world and systems in society |
| 23:42.19 | Wormy_ | Yes, but you can watch it and then follow on from the sources discussed. |
| 23:42.24 | Wormy_ | I'm not an idiot |
| 23:42.30 | Monet_2 | NeonPanda: The phrase sadly only applies to the overseas territories in distant parts of the world. |
| 23:42.39 | Charles_Murray | As I mentioned, if the US suspected that there would be actual nuclear silos in Iraq, I would definitely know about it |
| 23:42.44 | Charles_Murray | Because that would have changed everything |
| 23:42.50 | Charles_Murray | And the US would never have attacked Iraq |
| 23:43.17 | Monet_2 | All that's left of the empire are the Commonwealth nations, a few tiny islands and two-dozen windswept rocks. |
| 23:43.19 | NeonPanda | Monet_2: I was being snarky :P |
| 23:43.31 | Wormy_ | Alright, by "nuclear bunkers" I meant well protected underground facilities designed to develop WMD's |
| 23:44.12 | Charles_Murray | If they're research facilities, there's no reason to bomb them o.o |
| 23:44.38 | DrodoEmpire | no |
| 23:44.39 | DrodoEmpire | bomb it |
| 23:44.42 | DrodoEmpire | bomb it all |
| 23:44.42 | Monet_2 | Britain may still be an economic leader with a seat on the UNSC. But with the dying steel and fishing industries, the increasing policy focus on London and the sentiment the EU was ignoring us, the British public just don't feel it. |
| 23:44.45 | DrodoEmpire | nuke the middle east |
| 23:44.48 | The_Randomness | zzz |
| 23:44.49 | DrodoEmpire | build a wall around the fallout |
| 23:44.57 | DrodoEmpire | make mexico pay for that one too |
| 23:45.00 | Wormy_ | Thats not the context the documentary was trying to push |
| 23:45.25 | Wormy_ | Anyway apparentely the US did in fact try to bomb these mountains in search for evidence of these facilities |
| 23:46.25 | Charles_Murray | I was looking for a wikipedia page about those mountain bombings |
| 23:46.27 | Charles_Murray | I found this gem |
| 23:46.28 | Charles_Murray | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain |
| 23:46.38 | Monet_2 | "Blair Mountain" |
| 23:47.10 | NeonPanda | no war will ever compare to the Great Emu War |
| 23:47.28 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 23:47.38 | Monet_2 | It would be dangerous to bomb a top secret WMD lab. |
| 23:48.18 | Monet_2 | If they were developing chemical weapons, the explosives could have scattered who-knows-what into the air. |
| 23:49.00 | Monet_2 | Or killed non-combatant personnel. |
| 23:49.31 | Wormy_ | Think I've found the source |
| 23:49.43 | Wormy_ | Well, the video I learned this claim |
| 23:49.48 | Monet_2 | Or if any personnel did survive the initial bombings, could have been killed by the very chemicals they were using. |
| 23:51.08 | Charles_Murray | Underground lairs full of chemicals under mountains and etc is a pretty science fiction concept |
| 23:51.18 | Charles_Murray | In reality, that lab would actually be safer in the middle of a city |
| 23:51.24 | Monet_2 | That too. |
| 23:51.26 | Charles_Murray | In plain sight, just a regular building |
| 23:51.41 | Charles_Murray | And it would work better too, since it would be very easy to bring materials and labor to it |
| 23:51.44 | NeonPanda | preferably near a school or something so the goody goodies would be less likely to bomb it |
| 23:51.44 | Wormy_ | https://youtu.be/WD1BRE-DBsA?t=20m12s |
| 23:51.46 | Monet_2 | Like the speculation of Bin Laden's secret mountain fortress. |
| 23:52.48 | Monet_2 | Wormy_: Synchronicity that |
| 23:53.07 | Wormy_ | Yes, it was Bin Laden what I meant |
| 23:53.26 | Charles_Murray | Wormy_ Wait |
| 23:53.58 | Charles_Murray | Did we just go from "The US bombed mountains in order to discover Saddam Hussein's secret nuclear labs" to "The US intervened in these mountains in order to find Bin Laden?" |
| 23:54.26 | Wormy_ | Apologies, I confused the two (it was ages ago when I watched this) |
| 23:55.38 | Charles_Murray | Alright, got it |
| 23:55.58 | Wormy_ | However, the message that the documentary claims is that US intervened only because they were convinced by the Northern Alliance's rumours. Hence what I meant by "US policy influenced by myths" |
| 23:57.04 | Monet_2 | Although it's a funny mirroring, considering Bin Laden's real hideaway was in the middle of an Afghan city (was it Afghan?). |
| 23:58.37 | Charles_Murray | Pakistani |
| 23:58.58 | Monet_2 | Right. |
| 23:59.09 | Monet_2 | At least I knew it was one of the 'stans. |
| 23:59.33 | Charles_Murray | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora |
