IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160826

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00:31.50Wormy_hi
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00:34.36Wormy_dat shadow http://imgur.com/gallery/5MUP5
00:35.20The_RandomnessThat's a really cool image
00:36.52Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/AThsrny.jpg
00:38.30Spluff5I saw that earlier today
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00:40.02HachimanHi
00:40.11HachimanThere's a storm, it seems
00:42.12MonetI might get it later.
00:44.49Wormy_Its past me.
00:45.23MonetMAnaged to get Dar kSOuls III at a discount
00:46.10DrodoEmpiretest
00:47.26MonetTook me a few attempts but I'm past the forst boss and into Lothric.
00:53.06MonetActually I'm sort of noticing something, In Japanese culture I've noticed corruption often resembles a living tar.
00:53.20DrodoEmpireHm?
00:53.44MonetNot always mind.
00:53.47HachimanThat's how corruption is often depicted in a lot of cultures
00:54.11HachimanI should probably remind you that DkS is based heavily on Western culture rather than it is Eastern
00:54.34MonetI don't see it that much in (old) British media.
00:55.12Wormy_Remember Armus?  http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/2/20/Skinofevil.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20061027215451
00:55.54Wormy_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9G3g8OSPBw
00:56.14MonetAlthough considering Dark Souls' use of castles, knights, priests, cathedrals and Freudian imagery, I can see the Western influences
00:58.03MonetBut apart from Lovecraft, icky slime and tentacle monsters aren't as common over here.
00:59.30MonetI will agree that shadows have a shared perception.
01:00.41MonetI might be slipping into culturally ignorant territory because it's late, I'm drowsy and I've had a busy day.
01:04.25Wormy_Well, its always possible Western depictions of oily creatures came from Japanese influence
01:04.38DrodoEmpireFrom what era?
01:05.11Wormy_today, but Armus is from 80's
01:05.26DrodoEmpireAh
01:05.27DrodoEmpireRight
01:05.55DrodoEmpireI was about to say- Japan exerted zero cultural influence on Europe/North America until the 1600s, and even that was marginal until post-war
01:06.16DrodoEmpireNow of course, its enormous
01:07.57Wormy_Speaking of Skin of Evil I think Tasha Yar had a disappointing exit and should have stayed longer in the show, or at least have been given a better death
01:08.05DrodoEmpireYeah...
01:08.28MonetIt was quite a shock regardless.
01:08.51DrodoEmpireYeah its rare, especially back then, for a major character to be killed off
01:09.15DrodoEmpireRiskier shows in the modern day like Game of Thrones, or Breaking Bad have seen shows be a bit more bold now though
01:09.25DrodoEmpireWell, they saved television in general but you know
01:09.53Wormy_Don't think Denise Crosby liked the character she played very much, that could have been better developed http://trekmovie.com/2012/03/19/denise-crosby-i-was-miserable-on-star-trek-tng/
01:10.22MonetThen Joss Whedon came along.
01:10.42DrodoEmpireEh fair enough
01:10.49DrodoEmpireShe wanted out, so that's fair
01:13.28Wormy_Brent Spiner playing Data was not meant to show much emotion, but its a amazing what a bit of camera angle and lighting can do https://youtu.be/a9G3g8OSPBw?t=2m44s
01:13.59MonetI suppose it was a good thing for Denise to come back as Sela.
01:15.19The_RandomnessI loved her appearance in STO
01:15.41Wormy_Indeed
01:17.32MonetBy the sounds of it, she was feelign anxious; a young actress almost fresh out of school saddled with a role she might spend years playing.
01:21.41MonetThe_Randomness: I remember seeing footage where she was picked. She was told on a convention panel and she *completely nerded out*
01:21.55The_Randomnessthat's amazing
01:29.33Monethttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14088610_946579402131451_632200167262001020_n.jpg?oh=35b13f55d3e868b17e78eecc2ca3be95&oe=58492E31 the spice must flow!
01:29.34Wormy_Thats the best feeling
01:29.53Wormy_And so is spice
01:30.03DrodoEmpireolol
01:30.04The_RandomnessThis reminds me, I wonder why I'm still subscribed to the star trek subreddit considering how negative it always is
01:31.15MonetMasochism?
01:31.34DrodoEmpireSounds like how my brother unsubbed from /r/atheism
01:31.40DrodoEmpireAnd I never dared >.<
01:31.55DrodoEmpireApparently it descended in to a circlejerk of "BAN RELIGION"
01:31.56The_RandomnessMonet: I think it's more that sometimes there's relevant information/news on there
01:32.04The_RandomnessOtherwise it's just incessant whining
01:32.12DrodoEmpire*dared sub to it
01:32.36The_RandomnessDrodoEmpire: /r/atheism sounds like pure cancer to me, I wouldn't even dare looking at it
01:32.59DrodoEmpireI mean apparently it used to be good
01:33.21DrodoEmpireBut it went to shit as the New Atheism movement wound down and basically achieved its objectives
01:33.25The_RandomnessYeah, that was probably when it was much, much smaller
01:33.27DrodoEmpireThat'd be my guess anyway
01:35.01MonetNothing destroys motivation faster than "well all our goals are achieved, what now?"
01:35.12MonetWell there might be something.
01:35.30DrodoEmpireYeah and then there's was the whole bunch of fiascos as the New Atheism movement disbanded and fragmented
01:35.32MonetBut achieving everything is high on the list.
01:36.10The_RandomnessDrodoEmpire: I'm guessing after that the sub got hijacked by edgy people hating on religion
01:36.15DrodoEmpireEh
01:36.38DrodoEmpireMaybe, I really think it fell apart as New Atheism did after its 'victory' so to speak
01:36.39The_Randomnessbut I'm not really going off of anything here
01:37.11DrodoEmpireAnd, I mean, yeah, religion has big problems and it should be far separate from the state
01:37.32DrodoEmpireGoing on a tangent, but
01:38.18DrodoEmpirethere's a difference between being atheistic out of a genuine feeling of skepticism and then being atheistic as an ideology
01:38.18MonetYou get that, but more concernedly are the people who imagine the world would be a utopia if religion wasn't a thing.
01:38.55MonetBlaming religion for all the world's problems.
01:42.14The_Randomnessyeah...
01:43.34DrodoEmpireBe sure not to go too far to the other end though
01:44.05Monetboth ends are toxic, really.
01:44.28DrodoEmpireReligion still lacks factual basis 99% of the time, and *has* been directly or indirectly involved in many terrible things, or promotes many terrible things that modern religious figures struggle to twist or justify
01:44.55DrodoEmpireWell yeah, fundimentalist religion or fundimentalist atheism both end badly, clearly
01:45.13DrodoEmpireWe've seen what militant atheism looks like, under communist regimes
01:46.32MonetThis is why I subscribe to the philosophies of Zen Buddhism. For a healthy mind, one must balance yin and yang.
01:46.57DrodoEmpireFair enough
01:47.25MonetSpirituality can be a useful healer and comforter. Congregations have brought communities together.
01:48.40DrodoEmpireSure, yeah
01:48.42MonetThe existence of God can be comforting because it's much more optimistic than a universe where we were born by chance that probably doesn't care what happens to us tomorrow.
01:49.10DrodoEmpireYeah, depends on mindset for sue
01:49.13DrodoEmpire*srue
01:49.14DrodoEmpire*sure
01:49.36DrodoEmpireThat sorta reminds me of a discussion I think has been had before about the "the future is atheist" sorta trope
01:49.43DrodoEmpireI think its nonsense, personally >.<
01:49.53DrodoEmpireAnd my fiction shows it
01:50.34DrodoEmpirePractically *everyone* in the Drodo empire is animist/ancestor worshipping, pagan, or a recent convert to Catholicism
01:51.53MonetThe existence of scientology is probably evidence that one does not need some Jewish martyr to create a powerful religion.
01:52.20DrodoEmpire^
01:52.34DrodoEmpireWhich makes me wonder- I do wonder what other fictions would think of Drodo religious practices
01:52.40MonetAlso evidence that religions can be founded even in the modern age.
01:52.55DrodoEmpireThey may come off as a bit hokey, the whole clan ancestor worship, but the Drodo themselves take it dead serious
01:53.16DrodoEmpireA lot of religions or folk faiths like that also practice animal sacrifice
01:53.39DrodoEmpire(no pun intended, 'dead serious')
01:54.43MonetDraconis - Whatever keeps your society from tearing itself apart.
01:55.33MonetCome to think of it I wonder if one's faith or beliefs is a largely private matter for Draconis.
01:56.56MonetJudging someone on what they believe in could be considered rather inconsiderate.
01:57.31DrodoEmpireTo be public about it?
01:57.37MonetYeah.
01:57.42DrodoEmpireAhh, fair enough
01:57.54MonetThey'll build temples and such, but they're generally called monasteries.
01:58.01DrodoEmpireQuite the opposite of the Drodo, whose religions tend to be pretty public and involve lots of festivals and whatnot
01:58.10DrodoEmpireMakes sense
01:58.33MonetThis might be why - contemplation on the book of divine teachings could either be done alone or with a group of acquainted peers.
01:59.17Monet...Which probably makes that time a Tahar went "I don't support your hypothesis because you believe in a make beleive being" all the more crass.
01:59.28DrodoEmpireRight, right
01:59.36DrodoEmpireI figure Drodo ancestor worship doesn't have any 'holy books', though the clan chronicles, preserved over centuries, may be considered sacred
01:59.49MonetYeah.
01:59.59MonetOlder clans must have some pretty thick tomes.
02:00.03DrodoEmpireI reaaallly want to see a Tahar in the middle of the rural Drodo Empire >.<
02:00.04DrodoEmpireOhh yeah
02:00.33MonetIjust recalled the Dwarven Great Book of Grudges.
02:00.34DrodoEmpireAs an aside, they'd also be useful specimens for researching the evolution of language
02:00.58DrodoEmpireBooks, preserved over centuries, could show a play-by-play of evolving language and dialect
02:02.07DrodoEmpireHm?
02:02.32MonetBasically a giant book that records every transgression made against the Dwarven race in Warhammer
02:02.38DrodoEmpireolol
02:02.51DrodoEmpireJesus, they're a bitter lot >.<
02:03.06MonetThese transgressions stay there until they are avenged - often they can last generations.
02:03.22DrodoEmpireWoow
02:03.38DrodoEmpireI figure similar rivalries might be preserved in Drodo chronicles, actually
02:04.18The_RandomnessThis just makes me think about how I need to work on collabverse stuff, but I've got some more important stuff that I have to do right now >.<
02:04.21DrodoEmpireMeaning some families might be in a state of conflict or mutual hatred for generations, until either one surrenders after a violent incident or their differences are settled
02:04.29DrodoEmpireAh
02:04.33DrodoEmpireDon't sweat it
02:04.37The_RandomnessYeah, I know
02:05.15MonetI thin kit's possible that retaliation for one act of vengeance can be marked as a grudge.
02:05.28DrodoEmpireHm, okay
02:05.33The_RandomnessI'm currently looking at going through the canon of a collaborative project and removing stuff that doesn't fit with the vision that I've put out for it
02:05.35DrodoEmpireMost planets, especially rural ones, have had a few full-on clan wars
02:05.43The_RandomnessOh my
02:05.47DrodoEmpireNon-Sporewiki?
02:05.52The_Randomnessyes
02:05.54DrodoEmpireAhh
02:06.02MonetSo this great book makes the Encyclopaedia Britannica look like a children's book.
02:06.08DrodoEmpirehur
02:06.26The_Randomness"X made me stub my toe, this must be avenged"
02:06.31DrodoEmpireIn urban worlds I figure these wars might resemble more the ending of the Godfather >.<
02:07.11DrodoEmpireThat is, a well-timed bloodbath wiping out a good portion of a rival clan's leadership, a big controversy in the papers, and then the two clans talk terms
02:07.28DrodoEmpireThey're rare, but I figure stuff like that might happen once every decade or so
02:08.00DrodoEmpirerural worlds its probably more like a drawn-out, low intensity conflict lasting years, without much decisive stuff going on
02:08.11Monet"X made me stub my toe, this must be avenged" "Y destroyed a priceless statue because he stubbed his toe, my ancestors must be avenged" and so on and so on
02:08.11DrodoEmpireBut yeah, subnational warfare
02:08.21DrodoEmpireIts a vicious cycle
02:09.04MonetDraconis - You guys need more laws.
02:09.36DrodoEmpireDrodo - We can't take that risk boyo
02:09.52DrodoEmpireDrodo - Feds step in, now *everybody's* mad
02:10.40DrodoEmpireBut yeah the very nature of the Empire makes it like this- but its not dysfunctional by any means
02:10.43MonetDraconis - Have the feds step in while brandishing fascia.
02:11.14DrodoEmpireDrodo - Then the locals either cite numerous laws banning our intervention if we're lucky, or shoot us if we're unlucky
02:11.32DrodoEmpireDrodo - The Empire's a goofy place to be a fed >.<
02:13.32DrodoEmpireBut yeah in-fiction the consequences of the federal government getting too authoritative on the ground were seen with the fact that then militias began kicking out IDMP (federal police) officers, or engaging in open warfare with them
02:14.49Monethave ot go. Goodnight
02:14.51DrodoEmpireNot only were they given a *lot* more authority, they got a lot, well, 'bossier' :p Then the people and the local governments reacted
02:14.54DrodoEmpirekk, night
02:15.52DrodoEmpireThe_Randomness how many collaborative projects are you involved in?
02:16.11The_RandomnessTwo, the collabverse and the one I mentioned earlier
02:16.48DrodoEmpireAhh, kk
02:17.06Wormy_Speaking of which, I've improved the description slightly on the new_Salsetthe's homeworld
02:17.14The_RandomnessOh, I'll go take a look
02:17.16DrodoEmpireI'm only seriously involved in SW, though my RL friends have suggested others
02:17.23The_RandomnessThanks for doing that Wormy
02:17.28DrodoEmpireI've held off on suggesting SW to them though
02:17.52DrodoEmpireMostly because I prefer to keep RL stuff and SW stuff separate from eachother, at least right now
02:18.41Wormy_No problem, I went into more detail about the chemical reactions of CO2 and CaCO3, and then the sort of environments that inhibit or increase dissolved CO2 concentration
02:18.59The_RandomnessI see
02:19.27Wormy_There's a compensation depth for CaCO3 precipitation, and it implies that these caves are probably in shallower water than I imagined
02:19.53Wormy_I was looking back through my old lecture notes and realised I'd forgotten about that
02:24.48The_RandomnessCould you expand on what you mean by "these caves are probably in shallower water than I imagined"?
02:36.35DrodoEmpiretest
02:37.48DrodoEmpireMad drama going down right now on this stream.me chat o.O
02:38.05The_Randomnessoh my
02:38.48DrodoEmpireApparently this guy who's been harassing this streamer I like got doxxed
02:39.02DrodoEmpireAnd there's something about buddy wanting to sue another guy for posting child porn? o.O
02:40.07DrodoEmpireI swear this youtube drama is trickling down to the fanbase
02:40.22DrodoEmpireIts just ~100 people all arguing about drama
02:41.02The_Randomnesso_o
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02:42.56DrodoEmpireApparently chat;s convinced this one guy's the guy who's been harassing the streamer
02:43.03DrodoEmpireAnd they're accosting him over it
02:43.40The_Randomnesseek
02:43.47DrodoEmpireI decided to ask if there's any way to confirm he's the troll (I quickly added "that's legal, you fucktards" so I wouldn't be indirectly responsible of something like a dox >.<)
02:44.01DrodoEmpireStill a conflicted chat
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02:44.32The_Randomnesswtf freenode
02:45.15Wormy_Generally more dissolved carbon dioxide, less chance for precipitation of calcium carbonate
02:45.24DrodoEmpireAh, now the narrative's straight
02:45.43DrodoEmpireso this guy is "working" for the troll, and the troll apparently posted cp on a discord a few weeks ago
02:45.49DrodoEmpireThis is getting weirder and weird
02:45.50DrodoEmpire*e
02:45.52DrodoEmpire*er
02:45.53The_RandomnessO_o
02:46.06Wormy_In the oceans this has a dynamic, deep cold water can hold more dissolved CO2 under pressure.  But warm water on the other hand, can hold less
02:46.23The_RandomnessAlright
02:48.13Wormy_So 1-3 km to 5 km on the Earth, depending on temperature of the ocean where precipitation and dissolution reaches a balance
02:48.31Wormy_We're still talking potentially deep water but not the whole ocean basin
02:50.01Wormy_Caves would follow a similar dynamic I hope, there would be places with higher and lower CO2 depending on chemical reaction sources and even heat from the hydrothermal vents
02:50.40DrodoEmpireAlright, so we got the troll's henchman cornered, now we're asking him questions >.<
02:50.47DrodoEmpireI doubt his story, seems dumb
02:51.06The_RandomnessWormy_: alright
02:54.09DrodoEmpireApparently this guy with the spelling skills of an 11 year old eighteen, and has a "team with some skills"...
02:54.09DrodoEmpireuh huh
02:54.09DrodoEmpireBeing funded by a troll we know is a minor
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16:06.37Wormy_I think its just a curiosity some Russian Spore Wiki users have.
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16:10.11CyrannianI see
16:12.01CyrannianOoh I see it now
16:18.54DrodoEmpiretest
16:22.20Wormy_I can't help but feel like we're crew on the bridge confronted by a hail from a spaceship that appeared in uncharted space, in Star Trek
16:22.56dino82_lol
16:25.18Wormy_Since we seem to be anxiously discussing how to respond in the captain's lounge
16:26.57NeonPandaoddly specific scenario there
16:28.48Wormy_Well, to go further.  Imperios can be the Betazoid linguist
16:30.42ImperiosWe still have to wait for Jo
16:32.10Tek0516Imperios: What I want from Wikia is a usable mobile version. >.>
16:36.56ImperiosWhen will Technobliterator be back?
16:39.09DrodoEmpireA bit later, why?
16:39.14ImperiosI need her opinion
16:39.17ImperiosShe's our tech guy
16:39.19Imperios...gal
16:39.30ImperiosBasically our Scotty, we need her opinion
16:39.35DrodoEmpireIs responding to some Russian guy asking a few questions really this significant? >.<
16:39.41DrodoEmpireOr is this something else?
16:40.47ImperiosJo has the most techincal expertise, and one of the four questions is technical
16:41.21CyrannianI assumed it was someone from Wikia doing a satisfaction survey
16:46.04DrodoEmpireNo, its a representative from the Russian SporeWiki asking us some stuff, which I guess is fair enough
16:48.23HachimanJust call them a cyka and be done with it
16:48.49DrodoEmpireey laym
16:48.52DrodoEmpire*laymo
16:52.23ImperiosI wonder if I could cover the topic of them using our pictures and the like
16:52.28ImperiosWE allow them to use them right?
16:54.10CyrannianIf they give credit, I've no issue
16:57.56Wormy_Hachiman is like Worf in my picture
16:58.26Wormy_Techno can be Geordi Laforge hanging about unheard in Engineering
16:59.00MonetToo bloody hot today
16:59.14Wormy_aye
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16:59.26Wormy_Imperios:  I've got some
16:59.39ImperiosYou've got what?
16:59.52Wormy_Some responses
16:59.57ImperiosMine?
17:00.16Xhodat giant header at top
17:00.17Xhowhy
17:01.23OluapPlayerhi
17:02.00MonetWormy_: So if Hachi is Worf, Techno is Geordi LaForge, Imperios is Deanna Troi, who else for the bridge crew?
17:02.04XhoHi
17:02.20Wormy_Ghelae can be Data
17:04.22MonetWho do we have for Riker and Crusher?
17:04.29XhoHm what to do on this hot Friday afternoon
17:04.41Monet(Beverly Crusher, specifically)
17:04.41NeonPandaI'm curious as to what makes Hachi Worf rather than Crusher
17:04.56NeonPandaWesley Crusher I mena
17:04.57NeonPandamean*
17:05.09Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xho/Navbox/Tuurosbox Someone pick a red link out of this navbox and I will do the page
17:05.27MonetNeonPanda: He and Worf act quite similar.
17:06.02ImperiosWormy_: Could we say that we are interested in Fictionverse communities expanding to other languages?
17:06.07ImperiosImagine a Russian fictionverse
17:06.10ImperiosAnd then we do a big crossover
17:06.23OluapPlayerNanusuloan Convocation
17:06.24Wormy_Yes, potentially
17:06.25MonetXho: Nammund Xar
17:06.25OluapPlayereet dong
17:06.42XhoHm
17:07.19CyrannianWormy_: You can be the big-busted Yoda lady captain
17:07.37XhoI should really do the Nanusuloan Convocation page
17:07.37Wormy_Lol, I still need to upload pics of that night
17:08.09MonetWesley Crusher is your typical child prodigy.
17:12.45Wormy_What would you do if you saw these babes come after you on Risa?  http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:STOFun.png
17:13.33Xhowake up from the nightmare
17:13.57MonetProbably get averse and power-walk towards the reception desk.
17:16.08CyrannianThe one in the back has a new purple tattoo covering most of her face
17:17.29MonetNot entirely a fan on face-dominating tattoos.
17:18.35dino82_oh civilizations!
17:18.38dino82_for Tuuros?
17:18.54dino82_can we make or will you make all the races?
17:19.22XhoIt's an open galaxy
17:19.26XhoAlthough no one has done anything yet
17:19.44dino82_@all: Star Trek discussion? I missed it totally!
17:20.16Wormy_What kind of character would I be?
17:20.53Wormy_Other than busty Yoda lady
17:21.10dino82_Wormy, hmm I guess Spock or so! Both science :d
17:21.22Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:215584 THere we go?
17:21.31ImperiosAnything you want me to add or remove?
17:21.31MonetWhat about Barclay?
17:21.37MonetIf we're keeping to TNG
17:21.51Wormy_not mr broccoli
17:22.04Wormy_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T41gqFO9zb0
17:22.15CyrannianData with the emotion chip
17:22.20dino82_Data then yes!
17:22.32MonetHe is pretty brilliant.
17:22.52ImperiosGuys, take a look
17:23.23dino82_looks good Imperios, interessting
17:23.25Wormy_lol
17:23.52CyrannianHm, who would you be Dino?
17:24.12Wormy_I wonder if Monet could be Picard on the basis of Picard's love for art
17:25.24MonetI was thinking if, personality wise, if I'd suit being Picard. Love of art, history, and possibly the most BBC-British person here.
17:26.55Tek0516What about me? :P
17:27.55MonetDino could be Guinan.
17:29.52Imperiosguys plz, Hoshi Sato has delivered the message, what do you think
17:30.59Wormy_Hoshi Sato?
17:31.00MonetImperios:  Ithink you bring up some good points.
17:31.19MonetWormy_: The Asian translator lady Enterprise.
17:31.37Wormy_Clever reference, fooled me
17:31.54MonetIf we're going cross-franchise, Imperios could be Hoshi (I'm not being racist, the girl is a savant with languages)
17:32.21MonetTek0516: Harry Kim perhaps?
17:32.24DrodoEmpireRACIST
17:33.04MonetDrodo I can definitely picture as Malcom Reed.
17:33.41ImperiosAnd that RomaWar guy would be... whom?
17:34.13Wormy_Data might be too benevolent for Ghel, maybe Data's brother Lore is more suitable
17:34.13CyrannianI think I'm the Doctor in Voyager, Random is probably Janeway
17:34.37Charles_BotWhat am I lol
17:35.02GhelImperios: Your responses all look fine to me. The only other thing I could add is that this is also an enyclopaedia about Spore and not *just* the fiction-writing wiki that we mainly focus on it being, but that's made clear enough in point 2.
17:36.55MonetCharles_Bot: How about Dax?
17:37.31MonetHer or possibly Tuvok.
17:38.00Charles_BotStar Trek is convinced that politics is obsolete
17:38.11Charles_BotSo I'm not sure I have a counterpart there
17:38.12GhelXho: I've been on Spore today, making a couple of things I'm thinking of introducing to Tuuros. It includes a native species, although I kind of just threw that model togehter.
17:38.41MonetWait I got it!
17:38.42dino82_Guinan?
17:38.52MonetCharles_Bot: How about Garak?
17:39.48Xhorite
17:41.13Charles_BotMaybe, that would be a flattering comparison
17:41.46MonetStar Trek has very few political agents.
17:42.05Charles_BotYeah, and those it does have tend to be bad guys
17:42.09Charles_BotOr caricatures
17:42.13Charles_BotOr both
17:42.36MonetI recall one running theme is that while Julian Bashir is obsessed with James Bond style spy stoires, Garak tends to find them a ittle too extravagent ot be believeable.
17:43.08Wormy_I wonder who here could be Quark
17:43.15MonetJulian loves Bond, Garak finds Bond to be pure fantasy given he -was- a spy before his exile.
17:51.08DrodoEmpiretest
17:52.34Ghelhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a7/NeoTentekh.png/revision/latest?cb=20160826175119 - so I thought to myself, I haven't made an asymmetrical tentacled horror with numerous eyes, varicose veins and a crown made of biting snarling mouths yet. What am I waiting for?
17:53.18Ghelhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/0e/ArqorillanPic.png/revision/latest?cb=20160826175118 - oh, and here are the less interesting aliens.
17:54.11CyrannianVery impressive work, Ghel, such raw beauty in those eyes!
17:54.27HachimanNice stuff, Ghel, I like both of those a lot
17:54.32HachimanNow I gtg
17:54.37HachimanMight be back later, maybe
17:55.39ImperiosGhel: That'd be Xhodocto-influenced Girdoians?
17:56.04GhelYeah; the Neo-Tentekh has its origin in the alternate universe Girdo Emperor.
17:56.40GhelThat is to say, it is the Emperor with some other biomass mixed in.
17:56.56ImperiosSo it's an individual entity
17:57.09GhelYes.
17:57.52GhelAlthough I then went and played Spore and found herds of them on one planet in the Space Stage, so I might decide to change my mind.
18:00.49ImperiosOkay since this one looks like an Old God, I am going to steal an idea from WoW: what if the smaller Neo-Tentekh are psychic and/or physical remnants of the dead Neo-Tentekh Prime?
18:02.00GhelSomething like that could work, although I'm not yet planning to kill off the Emperor.
18:13.51TechnobliteratorImperios, I'm here now
18:13.53TechnobliteratorWhat's up?
18:14.15ImperiosTechnobliterator: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:215584 Anything you could add?
18:14.24DrodoEmpireHey Tech
18:15.26TechnobliteratorWell, regarding number 2, the better mobile version of the wiki isn't just on us :P
18:15.32TechnobliteratorIsn't just on Wikia, that is
18:15.38TechnobliteratorBut no, seems like a pretty good answer
18:21.55Wormy_Richard Branson nearly died this week http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/richard-branson-cheats-death-in-horrific-bike-crash-on-british-virgin-islands-a3330571.html
18:22.38MonetI saw, damn...
18:22.51MonetLucky he wore a helmet.
18:23.46Xho>cut to the face
18:23.51XhoI hardly call that near death
18:24.03XhoHorrific bike crash would entail amputations or something
18:24.08XhoOr death
18:24.42MonetLeave it to the tabloids to exaggerate.
18:24.45Wormy_True
18:24.55Wormy_He got a bit beat up
18:25.18DrodoEmpireYeah he seems pretty fucked up
18:25.24DrodoEmpireBut thankfully he's alright
18:25.29MonetBike accidents are no joke.
18:26.07XhoMy dad's had a few in his days
18:26.08Wormy_""My bike went flying off the cliff and disappeared. We've since recovered the crumpled bicycle, completely destroyed. "
18:26.12XhoWell two
18:26.14Wormy_He could have went over
18:26.24XhoBroke his collar bone on both occasions but still
18:26.33Wormy_Painful
18:26.44Wormy_Most common injury in Tour de France
18:44.11Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Nanusuloan_Convocation blah
18:44.34Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/IMOI5
18:49.18ImperiosXho: I just had one Tuuros race idea
18:49.31ImperiosA tad cliche but still
18:51.16Xhorite
18:51.56ImperiosSocialist robots with a really strong belief in sentient rights
18:52.25Xhosocialist robots
18:52.27ImperiosAlthough perhaps
18:52.35XhoK0MR4AD3
18:53.06Wormy_Better Red than Dead
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18:55.38ImpyDroidAlbeit probably with a SJW-esque mindset that they cannot oppress the oppressors
18:56.21XhoZhulultu - exterminate.avi
18:56.59ImpyDroidProbably former Zhulultu bots yeah
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19:01.32XhoI'm gonna make the Vranntan and the Asilapheans now
19:02.38DrodoEmpirekk
19:27.45Wormy_I'm very lucky that my window faces sunset and countryside
19:36.06XhoI just realised the Vranntan so far look like Deathclaws
19:36.13Wormy_<PROTECTED>
19:36.13XhoEh might keep it like this
19:36.44Wormy_*lay
19:37.24Wormy_saying "Ay up" up all the trime
19:41.40dromSo I talk to a briton friend
19:41.54dromThey tell me that they hate the fact how UK is stuck between imperial and metric
19:42.10dromSo... that makes me think
19:42.46dromWould you, Britons, deface road signs by replacing imperial values with metric?
19:46.01MonetNot really
19:46.50MonetWhen he says we are stuck between the two, you'll find that for road distances and body heights we'll use imperial, but for cooking we'll use metric.
19:47.00dromImpyDroid: Another Russian friend posted this in an other channel. http://i.imgur.com/AkTzKdf.jpg
19:47.31MonetUnless the liquid is alcohol then it's back to imperial
19:51.09DrodoEmpireI find that in Canada, we use metric, but in common discussion most people refer to things in imperial
19:51.13DrodoEmpireColloquially
19:51.41DrodoEmpirePersonally, its easier for me to visualise a foot as opposed to a metre, though I understand that metric's superior for exact measurements
19:52.27XhoA metre being 3'3" does not roll well with me
19:53.05DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Hard_Contact#Chapter_Four - New chapter
19:54.23Xholoron tho
19:56.49DrodoEmpirehur yeah
19:59.54dromhttp://i.imgur.com/o9k71an.jpg
20:01.41dromWormy_: http://i.imgur.com/JTUfTRd.gif
20:18.53Wormy_A lot of road signs use metric and imperial
20:26.53dromhttp://i.imgur.com/F1VU4yu.jpg
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20:27.22Groxkiller98Heya.
20:27.29DrodoEmpireHi
20:27.36DrodoEmpirehttp://imgur.com/gallery/5ki0dAF
20:27.47Groxkiller98I finally got around to updating the Mithadorn military section. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mithadorn_Republic#Military
20:27.56DrodoEmpireOh cool
20:28.42DrodoEmpireInteresting concept
20:28.57Groxkiller98Thanks!
20:29.10Groxkiller98Gonna add another ship from it.
20:29.23DrodoEmpireCool cool
20:36.08Groxkiller98What would make a good high-velocity, radioactive bullet?
20:36.11Groxkiller98Big ones.
20:36.15dromWormy_: http://imgur.com/gallery/5ki0dAF
20:36.43dromGroxkiller98, you sound like you are looking for warheads
20:36.59Groxkiller98I am.
20:37.21Wormy_Any cannon with the power to fire depleted uranium, with uranium-235 isotopes
20:37.21Groxkiller98But I don't want to fire nukes from a cannon at 5% the speed of light. That sounds like it could go wrong, too fast.
20:37.28Wormy_I know tanks can fire such shells
20:37.42DrodoEmpireWhy do you want radioactive ammunition?
20:37.47DrodoEmpireThat's silly
20:38.12DrodoEmpireIf its at the small-arms level in particular
20:38.30Groxkiller98It's not.
20:38.37Groxkiller98It's for ship to ship combat.
20:38.45The_Randomnessif you're doing something like that, you just want something extremely dense
20:38.46Groxkiller98For killing big ships.
20:38.59Groxkiller98And killing the crew if it doesn't kill the ship itself.
20:39.09Groxkiller98Also, illogical weapons are more fun. :P
20:39.14Groxkiller98Hence my Moon Cracker.
20:39.22Groxkiller98http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mithadorn_Republic#Naval_Fleets
20:39.24Wormy_Ah, well being in the presence of solid radioactive material isn't that...  Hard to handle safely
20:39.24Groxkiller98New ship!
20:39.28The_Randomnessthen you're looking for the sort of stuff that tanks fire
20:39.34MonetDepleted uranium is used as ammunition because it is indeed very dense.
20:40.19Wormy_The radioactivity adds no real worth to it other than making cleanup a bit harder
20:40.20Groxkiller98And 235 isotopes are still deadly?
20:40.37Groxkiller98It's supposed to irradiate enemy crews.
20:40.46The_Randomness...
20:40.51Wormy_Not as deadly as you think, only if its injested really
20:41.06The_RandomnessYou're missing the point here. They use it because it's so dense
20:41.08Groxkiller98Dammit!
20:41.13The_RandomnessNot that it's radioactive
20:41.20Groxkiller98I want a radioactive ammunition.
20:41.27The_RandomnessAnd for what you're looking for, I don't think you could achieve that sort of effect
20:41.43The_Randomnesse.g. something that you fire into a ship at extremely high speeds and irradiate people
20:41.58Groxkiller98In that case... I'll have uranium covered in Tungsten.
20:41.59The_RandomnessYou should look at particle beams, because brehmstrahlung is horrifying
20:42.09Groxkiller98Or tipped with it...
20:42.38Groxkiller98Edited.
20:42.50GhelYeah; we don't do the effects of particle beam weapons properly here for some reason.
20:42.59Groxkiller98XD
20:43.21Wormy_I've seen pictures of people handle enriched uranium with standard protection gear, like a breathing mask and gloves
20:43.27GhelNon-fissile radiological weapons do exist.
20:43.35Wormy_Its also extremely wasteful, since its expensive to make
20:44.02Groxkiller98Screw logic! It's fun!
20:44.04GhelBut if you're firing them at 5% the speed of light, the crew of an enemy vessel might not be exposed to the radiation for long before the projectiles flies out the other side.
20:44.23Groxkiller98Well, the idea is it slows down as it passes through the enemy ship.
20:44.51GhelThat's going to be a huge acceleration, but it is physically possible.
20:45.11GhelSo yes; that will work.
20:46.16dromDrodoEmpire The_Randomness: Don't you love it when the enemy players rush at the same dangerous path? http://i.imgur.com/UD6mLKI.png
20:46.38Groxkiller98XD
20:46.48Wormy_Maybe you want something kinetic weapon that does fire holes in a ship's armour, so dirty bombs can follow them immediately and irradiate the air that way
20:47.06Groxkiller98"Everyone ignore the bomb! The bridge is the best way through!"
20:47.50dromAnyway. Wormy_. I've been admitted to the Computer Engineering Programme!
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20:47.59ImperiosXho: Sorry, got disconnected
20:48.10ImperiosSo what did you say about that robot idea?
20:48.35Wormy_Well done, hope it works out for you
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20:49.30dromImperios DanzaDelMondo: Resending what I sent to your android: http://i.imgur.com/AkTzKdf.jpg
20:49.41dromA Russian friend of mine sent us that.
20:50.51XhoImperios: Seems alright to me
20:51.00Imperiosdrom: That paper bag is actually the symbol of the Russian Anonymous
20:51.03ImperiosXho: Actually
20:51.09ImperiosWhat if these machines worship Santorakh
20:51.20dino82_bye bye all
20:54.23XhoUnlikely
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20:59.51Xhohttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14102844_1757584911156653_2297220887104705794_o.jpg Ouch
21:00.27Wormy_Yeah, its quite normal.  Games like Fallout 4 have similar drops.
21:02.03Wormy_While some of the criticisms of the game are false (like simply players not exploring enough and then declaring features don't exist), I am starting to notice that certain things in the release game are different
21:02.34MonetThis is also comparative the current model of video game sales.
21:03.16Wormy_There was quite a lot of outpost designs in the trailers that don't exist in the actual game, I'd love to see more kinds of buildings especially different ones for different races
21:05.09Wormy_Its great how NMS looks like 70's sci-fi book covers though, someone made this http://imgur.com/a/JNzsc
21:06.55XhoEven that looks better than the actual game
21:07.57Wormy_It does need some improvements
21:08.17Wormy_I wish survival was more complex than digging caves
21:09.50XhoSee I don't like the survival element of it so much
21:09.58XhoI prefer the exploration element
21:11.32Wormy_True, but its nice for the environment to respond as if its not a static entity, thats just my simulation game bias
21:12.09XhoI guess
21:12.22XhoIf there was a survival element I'd rather have the wildlife attack me
21:12.35XhoRather than a cheapshot with Sentinels
21:13.24Wormy_I mean stuff like, using ropes to climb a mountain, and so on.  Then the exploration element has some bite to it
21:13.41XhoOr more verstaile environments in general
21:13.52XhoOluapPlayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWJO_aumkIw Talking about instrumental bands
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21:14.22TybusenHello
21:14.26XhoHi
21:38.59ImperioshI
21:39.00ImperiosHi
21:39.11ImperiosXho: Unlikel why
21:39.17Imperios*Unlikely why
21:39.23XhoWhy would machines worship a madgod
21:39.34XhoWhy would anyone worship a madgod actually
21:40.04TybusenFear, maybe
21:40.22XhoSantorakh - WORSHIP ME                     OR I WILL TURN YOU INTO A REAL BOY
21:41.20ImperiosI've actually considered that their idea of Santorakh might be pretty watered up
21:41.36Imperios"Our Lord Santa punishes us with glitches for our sins"
21:42.19Tybusen"If we're good, Our Lord Santa gives us coal to power our reactors"
21:44.31ImperiosActually, perhaps they were created originally by a Santo-following Zhulultu
21:44.47ImperiosAn artificial intelligence is actually a very Santo-ish idea
21:45.19XhoDon't see how really
21:46.02XhoAnyway I've ordered a 1080, just gotta wait now
21:46.05Xhoadios dinero
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21:48.31Tybusen9/10, you didn't use enough sig figs on #2
21:49.05DrodoEmpire>:
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22:16.19Charles_MurrayTek0516 Wormy_ DrodoEmpire:  Why internet voting is a terrible idea
22:16.20Charles_Murrayhttp://pastebin.com/gjvdXYUJ
22:16.33Charles_MurrayFrom http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-elections-russia-hack-how-to-hack-an-election-in-seven-minutes-214144
22:17.38DrodoEmpireYeah e-democracy doesn't seem like a good ideas at all
22:17.47DrodoEmpire*idea
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22:19.10DrodoEmpirePolls are at risk of being hacked, and the very fact its the internet and the lack of commitment as opposed to going to a polling station makes people make poor decisions
22:19.17DrodoEmpireNot take it seriously
22:19.28DrodoEmpireThis has been proven many, many times >.<
22:19.58ImpyDroidTybusen Charles_Murray: Wow, was your state really founded by Americans illegally emigrating to Mexico?
22:20.23Charles_MurrayI think you might be thinking of Texas
22:20.41ImpyDroidNo I mean California
22:20.41DrodoEmpireYeah that's more Texas
22:20.48ImpyDroidBear Flag Revolt and all that
22:20.52Charles_MurrayCalifornia was ceded to the US during the Mexican-American War over Texas
22:21.10Charles_MurrayThat wasn't the foundation of California, really
22:21.21Charles_MurrayJust a really weird accidental flirt with independence
22:22.00Charles_MurrayTexas fits that description exactly though
22:23.29ImpyDroidAh, so that is why Texans vote for Trimp
22:23.39ImpyDroidThey are afraid of the Mexicans using their own trick against them
22:23.58Charles_MurrayIt is ironic, you're right
22:24.05Charles_MurrayBut that's not how they think about it
22:24.25ImpyDroidI presume they just think "MUHRICA"
22:24.35ImpyDroidBut I am probably just being stereotypical
22:24.41Charles_MurrayAlso, Texas is going blue I think
22:24.42Charles_MurrayLet me check
22:24.55Charles_MurrayOh wait no
22:25.02Charles_MurrayIt's back in the red column, sorry
22:25.03ImpyDroid"Trump is protecting muh freedoms and keeping dem Muslims aht"
22:25.14ImpyDroidSomething like that
22:25.32ImpyDroidI was joking hur
22:29.00DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Hard_Contact#Chapter_Four - I posted several hours earlier, but me and Tech finished Chapter four
22:34.37ImpyDroidSo migrants were not a great factor in the cession of California?
22:35.13TybusenBear Flag Revolt was a thing but no, migrants weren't a huge factor
22:35.26TybusenAt least not to the same extent it was for Texas
22:35.39TybusenBarely anyone lived in California at the time of the Mexican-American War anyways
22:38.03Tek0516Charles_Murray: There's a neat video on the subject from a few years ago https://youtu.be/w3_0x6oaDmI
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22:56.37dromCharles_Murray: I'm pondering about giving the NS reboot a simple flag, the flag of Algeria, minus red decoration in middle
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23:13.24Charles_MurraySounds good to me
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23:20.32DrodoEmpire_Back >.<
23:26.56DrodoEmpire_https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/04/8e/23/048e233176cace23087ce7c2a5753fad.jpg - If I pick up sketching again, the soldier on the far left seems like a good subject or inspiration for a Drodo warrior
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23:27.35DrodoEmpire_(A 16th century Wallachian Voynik Auxiliary, in case you're all curious)
23:27.58DrodoEmpire_Hi
23:30.51ImpyDroidTybusen Xho: http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/2/8/7/7181782.jpg A Soviet doll factory
23:31.05Tybusenjesus
23:44.12ImpyDroidCyrannian: What would be the name for an Allied Terran Republic member state (not associated, integrated)? State? Republic?
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