| 00:00.52 | Monet_2 | hi |
| 00:01.39 | Charles_Murray | Tybusen Monet_2 ImpyDroid DrodoEMpire Tek0516 Hey |
| 00:01.52 | Charles_Murray | It looks like we have most of the people here we need for the Congress of Paris |
| 00:01.57 | Charles_Murray | We only need KA |
| 00:02.04 | Charles_Murray | Do we think we can do this later today? |
| 00:02.09 | Charles_Murray | Fairly soon |
| 00:03.00 | Monet_2 | I was about to head off |
| 00:03.17 | Charles_Murray | Ah |
| 00:06.02 | Tek0516 | I'll see if I can, gotta go to sleep in an hour or two. |
| 00:07.31 | DrodoEmpire | Eh sure |
| 00:07.39 | DrodoEmpire | >is Poland |
| 00:07.46 | DrodoEmpire | >has PU with Lithuania |
| 00:07.54 | DrodoEmpire | >got PU with France too |
| 00:08.01 | DrodoEmpire | >Austria is the only thing in my way |
| 00:08.05 | DrodoEmpire | >Austria has no allies |
| 00:08.08 | DrodoEmpire | Welp |
| 00:08.31 | DrodoEmpire | I won the game barely fifty years in |
| 00:08.43 | DrodoEmpire | Thanks, feudalism |
| 00:08.44 | DrodoEmpire | :D |
| 00:14.10 | Charles_Murray | Polan op pls nerf |
| 00:15.37 | The_Randomness | polan did into relevance |
| 00:18.00 | DrodoEmpire | Nope, nevermind |
| 00:18.44 | DrodoEmpire | Rest of Europe's against me and Austria's got a fucking god-tier general |
| 00:18.46 | DrodoEmpire | I'm fucked |
| 00:21.52 | The_Randomness | rip |
| 00:31.41 | DrodoEmpire | Lost the war, ultimately |
| 00:31.52 | DrodoEmpire | But Austria won't be holding on to France for long |
| 00:54.52 | Wormy_NMS | Found a planet of floating balloon plants in a dense atmosphere |
| 00:56.03 | Wormy_NMS | I also found a jungle planet with rainbow skies, but the Sentinels wouldn't let me sight see |
| 01:15.12 | DrodoEmpire | huh |
| 01:49.13 | Tek0516 | So presently in my HoI4 game I'm using 17 civilian factories for trade with the US to fund my ever growing war machine. XD |
| 01:50.10 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 01:50.49 | Tek0516 | I have huge surpluses of two resources but have basically no steel. |
| 01:51.07 | DrodoEmpire | Yikes >.< |
| 01:51.33 | Tek0516 | Also almost no aluminum and not quite enough oil (though the remaining four nations all have oil) |
| 01:52.44 | DrodoEmpire | AH |
| 01:52.46 | DrodoEmpire | *Ah |
| 01:54.40 | Tek0516 | So here I am eating South America while America basically funds it. :P |
| 02:03.19 | The_Randomness | omnomnom |
| 02:07.18 | Tek0516 | plays "Another one bites the dust as he breaches Lima https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qAVktvOf/hoi4_12.png |
| 02:08.18 | Tek0516 | I thought they would put up a challenge but they fell in just over a month. :P |
| 02:08.50 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 02:10.20 | DrodoEmpire | 'Obama chuckled. "You mean the Chaos Emeralds?"' |
| 02:11.11 | DrodoEmpire | 'Barry the Bee is a cool timelord' |
| 02:12.24 | Tek0516 | I actually haven't even deployed any divisions of my OP tanks yet. XD |
| 02:13.47 | DrodoEmpire | ohgod |
| 02:14.01 | DrodoEmpire | and also- OHGOD |
| 02:14.16 | DrodoEmpire | so there's this fake 'Goku vs Superman' fanfiction |
| 02:14.30 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 02:14.40 | DrodoEmpire | That's not the funny bit |
| 02:14.43 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 02:14.54 | DrodoEmpire | and the third chapter of four is literally the complete work of Mein Kampf, translated in to English |
| 02:15.15 | The_Randomness | nice |
| 02:15.17 | DrodoEmpire | The worst part is that 90% of the reviewers are completely oblivious o.O |
| 02:15.30 | The_Randomness | that reminds me, there's apparently a Jesus x Hitler fanfic out there |
| 02:15.34 | The_Randomness | and I've somehow heard about it |
| 02:15.35 | DrodoEmpire | ololol |
| 02:15.44 | Tek0516 | O.O |
| 02:17.55 | DrodoEmpire | Now I'm on a search for the most powerful cringe on fanfiction.net |
| 02:18.23 | The_Randomness | I suppose "My Immortal" is too mainstream |
| 02:18.25 | DrodoEmpire | The first port-of-call is anime, naturally |
| 02:18.29 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 02:19.23 | DrodoEmpire | That and "Sonic Inflation Adventure" are gonna be hard to top in how cringey and shocking they are <.< |
| 02:19.38 | DrodoEmpire | (for christ's sake don't play that godforsaken game) |
| 02:24.56 | DrodoEmpire | EU4-Mass Effect crossover? o.O |
| 02:25.05 | DrodoEmpire | This doesn't even have to be cringey |
| 02:25.09 | DrodoEmpire | I'm just |
| 02:25.10 | DrodoEmpire | What |
| 02:30.24 | DrodoEmpire | FNAF/Civ V |
| 02:55.24 | Wormy_NMS | I'm having quite a bit of fun logging a journal here http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198054095784/screenshots/#scrollTop=1234 |
| 02:57.20 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
| 02:57.30 | DrodoEmpire | Cool cool |
| 02:58.06 | DrodoEmpire | For a minute I was gonna ask you for your steam |
| 02:58.10 | DrodoEmpire | Then I realised >.< |
| 02:59.57 | Wormy_NMS | That creature looks so friendly and wise, and it was http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198054095784/screenshots/#scrollTop=1234 |
| 03:00.17 | Wormy_NMS | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=749396696 |
| 03:03.33 | DrodoEmpire | Ooh nice |
| 03:28.32 | Wormy_NMS | My planets don't quite match some of these yet: http://imgur.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/7Onqhsj http://imgur.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/xum7QKS http://imgur.com/a/7BVrF https://i.imgur.com/7mNb8yR.jpg |
| 03:29.38 | Wormy_NMS | https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/4ywxet/in_the_right_place_at_the_right_time/ |
| 03:29.47 | DrodoEmpire | when you got instagram in space <.< |
| 03:30.13 | DrodoEmpire | That looks incredible |
| 03:31.22 | Wormy_NMS | goodnight |
| 03:49.02 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 03:58.33 | The_Randomness | whew, just got done with a bunch of administrative stuff for another project I'm involved in |
| 03:59.22 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 04:01.07 | The_Randomness | basically getting stuff in order to become head admin of this project I'll need to raise from the ashes |
| 04:01.51 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
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| 05:05.47 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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| 10:56.16 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 11:24.36 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 11:25.45 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: I was wondering about how I would show Isiris and certain sects of her followers as evil or aligned with darkness, as Isiris is a grey god so logically there would be those who worship as an entity of light and good as well as dark and evil |
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| 11:27.19 | Hachiman | One idea I had was that there would be staunch intolerance and hostility towards Simulacra faiths among her evil sects |
| 11:29.22 | Wormy_ | Love the fact this plane left tiny shock diamonds in its wake http://imgur.com/gallery/gpHdI |
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| 11:40.27 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid2: Hello? |
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| 12:14.10 | Hachiman | Hi |
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| 12:39.14 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 13:08.18 | Wormy_ | What the 80's thought the 2000s would look like https://youtu.be/dVl-XyBAwpQ?t=29m20s |
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| 13:37.14 | OluapPlayer | ~eat Cyrannian |
| 13:37.14 | infobot | ACTION slurps up all the Cyrannian available |
| 13:37.21 | Cyrannian | ~tickle OluapPlayer |
| 13:37.21 | infobot | ACTION jumps on OluapPlayer, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
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| 14:19.49 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 14:24.45 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Neraida_War#Mystery_of_the_Nagith - New story arc with Oluap |
| 14:26.31 | OluapPlayer | honk |
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| 14:38.25 | Hachiman | Right I'll take a looksie |
| 14:38.29 | Hachiman | https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/14064223_1658435867519193_2154766762938199481_n.jpg?oh=73df632d1c7cf32e127cd811a45b2f3b&oe=5850D386 Meanwhile, in Cyrannus |
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| 14:53.21 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 15:08.17 | The_Randomness | Hachiman: poke |
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| 15:27.54 | Monet | hi |
| 15:28.22 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
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| 15:58.14 | dino82_ | hi |
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| 16:09.01 | Xho | ips |
| 16:09.13 | OluapPlayer | nfghf |
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| 16:12.32 | Xho | gg |
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| 16:13.05 | The_Randomness | uhh |
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| 16:14.55 | Xho | send help |
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| 16:16.23 | OluapPlayer | Jesus christ shut up |
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| 16:17.40 | Xho | not sure if troll or in dire help |
| 16:18.45 | Hachiman | Sounds like in dire help |
| 16:19.11 | Hachiman | Or looks like, rather |
| 16:22.54 | Xho | Also |
| 16:23.02 | Xho | Japanese Prime Minister dressed as Super Mario |
| 16:23.04 | Xho | 10/10 |
| 16:29.16 | Monet | Did he actually do that or is it a hoax? Since I heard it's for the 2020 games. |
| 16:29.36 | Xho | Was real |
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| 16:32.03 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
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| 16:48.42 | Monet | Hi |
| 16:56.39 | Wormy_ | Cyrannian, Monet, Ghelae, Xho: Logging my adventures in NMS here http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198054095784/screenshots/ |
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| 16:58.32 | Xho | 2 |
| 16:58.36 | Xho | wut |
| 16:58.41 | Xho | "Storm Extreme" |
| 16:58.42 | Xho | wut |
| 16:58.57 | Wormy_ | Needs a serious amount of cillit bang http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=748651089 |
| 16:59.55 | Monet | -83 degrees? |
| 16:59.57 | Wormy_ | Yeah that was a planet that looked like it had scenic hills of grass but was covered in acid rain |
| 17:01.31 | Xho | So BBC news posted that Cincinnati Zoo is not happy about Harambe memes |
| 17:01.37 | Xho | Entire comment feed = Harambe memes |
| 17:01.54 | Wormy_ | The internet cannot be tamed. |
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| 17:03.59 | Monet | Xho: It's "Admins are asleep, post ponies" all over again |
| 17:05.43 | Wormy_ | That creature looks like it could instill a 1000 years if wisdom in a single glance http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=749396696 |
| 17:05.49 | Wormy_ | *of |
| 17:06.26 | Monet | Am I going to be put out of the job? |
| 17:09.05 | Hachiman | https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/14046114_1562116014097186_9090780855085837828_n.jpg?oh=b3873e675758ee6cd7524d948b4fd3fa&oe=584EEC4B Holy shit |
| 17:09.36 | Monet | Old joke |
| 17:11.21 | Xho | Right back to that Tuuros map |
| 17:11.32 | Xho | I mapped out all of the sectors, now I just need to name them |
| 17:20.34 | Wormy_ | Monet: With procedural generation comes a lot of fine tuning, plenty of room for the artist |
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| 17:29.28 | Monet | Wormy_: True... |
| 17:37.45 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/41/TuurosGalaxyTMap.png/revision/latest?cb=20160822173709 loadsasectors |
| 17:38.45 | Wormy_ | "The Wound" |
| 17:38.52 | Wormy_ | Sounds like a horrible place |
| 17:39.38 | Monet | Lots of names. |
| 17:39.42 | Monet | bbs |
| 17:39.50 | Hachiman | Sorry was napping |
| 17:39.52 | Hachiman | Nice |
| 17:40.00 | Hachiman | lotsa imis |
| 17:40.19 | dino82_ | lets start exploring :D |
| 17:41.11 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 17:42.02 | Xho | All the sectors have patterns in their namse |
| 17:42.03 | Xho | names |
| 17:42.06 | Monet | The demand for rose red sweaters is going to skyrocket. |
| 17:44.18 | Xho | I can't imagine the Imi-Xicca Sector is massively explored |
| 17:44.22 | Xho | It's behind the Schism so |
| 17:46.24 | Xho | Now for the actual Maps map |
| 17:46.25 | Xho | er |
| 17:46.28 | Xho | Which one do I use |
| 17:49.42 | Monet | I think other maps define sector borders. |
| 17:51.51 | Xho | Guess I'll use the new map then |
| 17:58.44 | Xho | gah map feature |
| 17:58.48 | Xho | Why can't I make a map |
| 18:00.20 | Xho | Name the Template -> Tuuros Galaxy -> "Not found" |
| 18:00.21 | Xho | wtf |
| 18:03.54 | Monet | Odd.Shouldn't have done that if you selected from the file explorer |
| 18:05.15 | Monet | You named the sector map TuurosGalaxyTMap, did you change the file name? |
| 18:05.24 | Xho | No |
| 18:05.30 | Xho | I just figured out where I was going wrong |
| 18:05.48 | Xho | No wait |
| 18:05.53 | Xho | Still not working |
| 18:06.27 | Hachiman | I'd help but I've never used the Map feature |
| 18:07.31 | Hachiman | Wormy_ Monet DrodoEmpire: So, I just realised, is it not worrying how abundant plutonium is in NMS? |
| 18:07.58 | Xho | No because it's like the most important material in the game kek |
| 18:08.41 | Monet | Gameplaywise no. In terms of actual geology, yes. |
| 18:09.11 | Monet | Plutonium is pracically nonexistant on the surface of the earth, too short a half-life. |
| 18:11.33 | Hachiman | Here's the thing; natural-occurring plutonium is otherwise a rare resource in our universe due to its short half-life combined with the youthful age of our galaxy and the stars in it |
| 18:12.10 | Hachiman | If enough stars are going off to make plutonium an abundant naturally-occurring resource across the galaxy of NMS, something is seriously wrong |
| 18:12.37 | Xho | but |
| 18:12.38 | Xho | it's a game |
| 18:12.47 | Xho | with more planets in the galaxy than there are galaxies in the universe |
| 18:16.31 | Monet | Aye. |
| 18:17.08 | Xho | Wormy_: "You learned the Vy'keen word for Vy'keen" I'm sure it must be 'Vy'keen' |
| 18:17.41 | Xho | Payday can't come quicker either, I want my 1080 ffs |
| 18:18.13 | Hachiman | So, what if the universe of NMS is set on the brink of heat death? |
| 18:18.22 | Xho | I dunno possibly |
| 18:18.39 | Xho | I try not to think too much about a game that has hopping dildos for wildlife |
| 18:21.05 | Xho | I never actually got the Horizon Omega ship in the end |
| 18:21.11 | Xho | I redeemed it but the game never updated it |
| 18:22.35 | Technobliterator | DrodoEmpire, I'm really sorry >.< it turns out I'm going camping for three days starting tomorrow, so I'll have to put the fiction on hold for anothre few days |
| 18:22.47 | Technobliterator | I feel bad that I haven't been able to work on it at all lately, been so busy these past few weeks |
| 18:22.51 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, okay |
| 18:22.57 | DrodoEmpire | Nah, no problem |
| 18:23.17 | Technobliterator | I promise you that I am actually free after that |
| 18:23.23 | Technobliterator | so I'll be able to work on it literally the day I get back |
| 18:23.31 | DrodoEmpire | Alright cool |
| 18:23.45 | Technobliterator | and I don't have anything to do until September 26 when I go back to uni, and even then, the first few weeks are piss easy anyway |
| 18:24.21 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, great |
| 18:25.07 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm, actually, mind if I get a headstart on next chapter? I imagine the first little bit of it is going to be around my characters |
| 18:25.19 | DrodoEmpire | (You can read through it and edit it later, or we can restart if you're not a fan) |
| 18:25.29 | Technobliterator | yeah, sure thing |
| 18:25.35 | DrodoEmpire | kk |
| 18:25.37 | Technobliterator | It should be fine |
| 18:35.58 | Monet | So I was browsing and found this https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23130874-500-the-kids-are-alright-if-you-leave-them-alone |
| 18:39.02 | Monet | It's further evidence that helicopter parenting and filling a child's day with extra-curricular activities are detrimental to a child's social development. |
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| 18:41.36 | Hachiman | Xho: gimme ideas 4 tuuros races |
| 18:41.47 | Xho | heck i dunno |
| 18:42.02 | OluapPlayer | big chaotic evil unreasonable race of questionable intelligence |
| 18:42.04 | Monet | If I ever have kids, everyone press me to make sure I do not let myself or my wife bury our child in music lessons, sports lessens, concerts or whatever. |
| 18:47.08 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 18:47.12 | Monet | It's actually interesting there's developing evidence over the last ten years that filling a child's week with activities designed to expand their minds might actually disadvantage them socially. |
| 18:47.26 | DrodoEmpire | Eh I can see that honestly |
| 18:47.54 | OluapPlayer | Let your kid play videogames all day |
| 18:48.03 | OluapPlayer | let them live the life |
| 18:48.14 | Monet | WOrked for me lol. |
| 18:48.20 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I recall I made my own fun as a kid too |
| 18:48.36 | DrodoEmpire | I played games, read a lot of history books, and played around outside and caused trouble :p |
| 18:48.44 | DrodoEmpire | Turned out fine |
| 18:51.34 | Monet | Also might have found one possible source for solidifying this idea that high IQ = better. THis guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Terman |
| 18:52.40 | Ghelae | Xho: I only made a map for the first time a few days ago too. The "not found" error kept on popping up for pretty much everything. Sometimes clicking the same button over and over again worked; other times I just had to go back and try to do what I was doing again. |
| 18:53.07 | Xho | gah |
| 18:53.55 | Monet | He ran an experiment, a big one, back around WWI where he and hundreds of scientists documented the lives of hundreds of children ranked at genius-level intellect, believing that with a high IQ they were destined to be the leaders of the next generation. |
| 18:54.10 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 18:56.14 | Monet | Unfortunately near the time he died his experiment...kind-of failed. Some of these genius kids went on to be CEOs and politicians, but they were a minority. Others did okay while became couch potatoes. |
| 18:56.36 | Monet | while another number* |
| 18:56.58 | Ghelae | I say that was a very successful experiment. It succesfully proved his eugenicist ideas to be wrong. |
| 18:57.46 | Monet | A result that defies the hypothesis is still a result. |
| 18:58.57 | Monet | I recall what he didn't factor in was you could have an IQ of 175, but if you came fro ma family living on the breadline your chances of going to university back then were slim. |
| 18:59.54 | Hachiman | Huh, so there's an Endless Space 2 coming out |
| 19:01.36 | Monet | Wormy_: Remind me when you took that IQ test ages ago was it a scheduled one or one of these internet intelligence tests? |
| 19:05.10 | Monet | Hmm, I wonder if modern Special Snowflake Syndrome has been mentally validated by its sufferers by how other conditions in the past such as homosexuality, autism and dyslexia were once classified as insanity or mental retardation. |
| 19:05.29 | DrodoEmpire | Possibly |
| 19:07.06 | Monet | the diagnosis of autism has shot through the roof as we better understand the condition. "If autism is a genuine mental attribute and not retardation, maybe my imaginary tail isn't insanity?" |
| 19:09.25 | *** join/#sporewiki ZF101 (4933de11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.51.222.17) |
| 19:09.39 | Monet | Course there's always those people who are just making shit up for attention. |
| 19:09.40 | Monet | Hi |
| 19:09.44 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
| 19:10.02 | *** join/#sporewiki Imperios (~Imperios@95.140.92.90) |
| 19:11.14 | Monet | Would it be naive to suggest these kids can fidn out by going to a therapist? |
| 19:11.47 | Monet | Therapists today are a little less inclined to prescribe pills for everything and psychology has come far. |
| 19:11.58 | Imperios | Hi |
| 19:12.11 | Imperios | Hachiman Xho Monet OluapPlayer: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/44/Greater_Divinarium_Emblem.png/revision/latest?cb=20160822190935 Remade the emblem again |
| 19:12.32 | Imperios | Don't ask why, I am never content with my emblems |
| 19:12.42 | Monet | Fancy |
| 19:13.11 | Monet | Eh, this one implements the PAE's icon. |
| 19:14.03 | Monet | I wonder if it's worth refining the DI flag/crest to accommodate for it's status in the PAE. |
| 19:14.38 | Imperios | It'd be different for the DI |
| 19:14.49 | Monet | Imperios: Time is becoming a precious commodity for me, would you be alright with having a go? |
| 19:15.14 | Imperios | The DI is an entity that spans several sectors, while the Divinarium is one sector basically |
| 19:15.26 | Imperios | It's a single federal subject, like California in the US |
| 19:15.39 | Imperios | Whereas the DI is something greater |
| 19:15.48 | Imperios | Monet: Not sure I'd give your stuff just |
| 19:15.49 | Imperios | ice |
| 19:15.54 | Imperios | I cannot draw duh |
| 19:16.41 | Monet | Hmm. What if you plan and I assemble? |
| 19:17.40 | Imperios | Could be interesting |
| 19:17.53 | Imperios | So like I draw a shitty sketch and you make it into something cool |
| 19:18.03 | Monet | Yeah. |
| 19:18.46 | Monet | I wonder how to represent the DI myself sometimes. The Divinarium is like California, the DI is more like the Commonwealth Realm, NATO or the HRE. |
| 19:20.51 | Monet | It's a member of the PAE but under the central Alcanti government are numerous vassal, joint-administration and tributary states that answer to what amounts to dozens of semi-autonomous governmental sectors. |
| 19:21.35 | Wormy_ | Monet: Internet one, which I didn't take seriously |
| 19:24.27 | Technobliterator | I thought the Divinarium would be more like Texas :P |
| 19:25.46 | Monet | California's so populous, industrious and economically diverse practically it's own country. |
| 19:25.52 | Technobliterator | When I finally make URO's states, my plan is for them not to have any real parallels |
| 19:25.56 | OluapPlayer | pardnur |
| 19:25.57 | Wormy_ | I don't really take IQ tests seriously, as all it measures is itself, not the individual's real intelligence |
| 19:25.59 | Technobliterator | to modern states |
| 19:26.13 | Technobliterator | And about a third of them will be Loron states anyway |
| 19:26.56 | Wormy_ | It can fluctuate so much even depending on what a person has eaten on a certain day |
| 19:27.02 | DrodoEmpire | Huh cool |
| 19:27.09 | Monet | Technobliterator: Imperios was using California as an analogy to how the Divinarium fits inside the PAE's government structure. |
| 19:28.13 | Technobliterator | yeah, that makes sense |
| 19:28.37 | Technobliterator | The only state parallels there will really be for URO's will be a New York parallel for wherever Grenzaar ends up |
| 19:29.49 | Monet | So the Grenzaar sector will have one giant-ass population centre and the region around it is all farms, hills and small colonies? |
| 19:30.39 | Technobliterator | oh no |
| 19:30.48 | Technobliterator | it's just that the Grenzaar state will basically be a state of its own |
| 19:30.55 | Technobliterator | and then everything around it unimportant |
| 19:31.10 | Technobliterator | but it's still got this massive city planet so it's stupidly important |
| 19:31.44 | Monet | The only city-state state I can think of is D.C. |
| 19:31.50 | DrodoEmpire | Tech: makes sense |
| 19:32.07 | DrodoEmpire | Sorta reminds me of the Drodo Quadrant Colonial capital of New Aratacia |
| 19:32.08 | Technobliterator | D.C. isn't a state, though |
| 19:32.25 | Monet | I know |
| 19:32.35 | DrodoEmpire | Basically a handful of walled cities, surrounded by farms, villages, and hostile natives in their own civilisations :p |
| 19:32.49 | Technobliterator | I think each subsector of Ottzello will have about three of four states each |
| 19:32.56 | DrodoEmpire | Okay |
| 19:33.09 | Monet | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_cities_of_Russia would this be more accurate? |
| 19:34.18 | Imperios | Yeah federal cities work |
| 19:34.50 | Imperios | The mayor of Moscow or the governor of Saint-Petersburg have power on par with, say, the head of Chechnya |
| 19:34.56 | Technobliterator | in fact, I actually think URO has the opposite of the US situation in one sense |
| 19:35.02 | Technobliterator | in the US, federal laws override state laws |
| 19:35.07 | Technobliterator | in URO, it's mostly the opposite |
| 19:35.14 | Imperios | Which is why one of our key opposition activists wanted to run for mayor |
| 19:35.20 | Technobliterator | which is how Loron states legalise murder and theft etc |
| 19:35.29 | DrodoEmpire | Okay |
| 19:35.46 | Technobliterator | I imagine there are like a couple laws you can't break |
| 19:35.47 | Technobliterator | but I dunno |
| 19:36.02 | Monet | The thing about New York State is New York isn't the state capital. |
| 19:37.54 | Imperios | So URO is closer to the EU |
| 19:39.15 | Monet | Or they could use the UN's system: Federal laws only apply in the states that promise to uphold them. |
| 19:39.44 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Perhaps the basic law takes precedence over everything, but member states are allowed to have their own constitutions as long as they do not go against it? |
| 19:39.49 | Imperios | With the basic law itself being very simple |
| 19:40.02 | Imperios | And basic |
| 19:40.10 | Imperios | Pardon the pun |
| 19:41.35 | Technobliterator | Well, similar to that |
| 19:41.44 | Technobliterator | actually, yeah, that's more or less how it works |
| 19:41.57 | Imperios | So like Russia then |
| 19:42.10 | Technobliterator | there are a few basic laws that the states absolutely cannot go against, but then for the rest the states can override the laws however they want |
| 19:42.54 | Monet | Maybe the laws the states absolutely cannot go against are the federal laws. |
| 19:45.26 | Imperios | Which would be fairly sparse |
| 19:45.30 | Technobliterator | I mean |
| 19:45.37 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Now I had a brilliant idea |
| 19:45.39 | Technobliterator | then the Loron states would not be able to legalise murder and theft |
| 19:45.46 | Technobliterator | and then they would legit rebel against URO |
| 19:45.52 | Technobliterator | Oh? |
| 19:46.01 | Imperios | Draft the constitution of the Loron Tribal Areas |
| 19:46.08 | Imperios | OR whatever their region is called |
| 19:46.21 | Technobliterator | hahaha |
| 19:46.25 | Technobliterator | that'd be great |
| 19:47.35 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Simply enough: the Ottzelloan Constitution shouldn't contain statutes that forbid to kill |
| 19:47.46 | Imperios | And it should overall be very lax |
| 19:48.48 | Technobliterator | The national law is probably that you can't commit genocide |
| 19:48.58 | Imperios | Perhaps it could actually state that it stands for cultural diversity and the preservation of the traditions of the Ottzelloan species |
| 19:48.59 | Technobliterator | Or at least, you can't be a mass murderer |
| 19:49.19 | Technobliterator | And you can't do any money laundering, or large scale robbery or fraud |
| 19:49.21 | Imperios | "Acts that threaten the existence of any Ottzelloan member species are strictly forbidden" |
| 19:49.33 | Technobliterator | but a small murder and petty theft, Loron states can legalise |
| 19:50.23 | Imperios | Or something like "the Union Republic of Ottzello shall protect the right to its citizen to live within the realms of sensibility and in accordance to its people's cultural traditions" |
| 19:51.54 | Wormy_ | Monet: https://twitter.com/hashtag/BlockedByBlenkinsop?src=tren |
| 19:52.48 | OluapPlayer | This would also make Fre'kloar have a stroke |
| 19:52.53 | OluapPlayer | all make* |
| 19:52.55 | Technobliterator | "within the realms of sensibility" :v |
| 19:53.07 | Technobliterator | but yeah, that actually sounds pretty good |
| 19:53.13 | Imperios | IT wouldn't be sensible to incite Lorons to rebellion |
| 19:53.35 | Technobliterator | URO has this big thing about respecting different cultures and Ottzello doesn't really have a culture of its own |
| 19:57.37 | Imperios | Unity in diversity, so to speak |
| 20:02.49 | Xho | Bah NMS |
| 20:03.02 | Xho | Barely escaped a extreme toxic planet and then got shot down by random ships |
| 20:11.40 | Xho | Guys I need icons for these maps |
| 20:12.25 | OluapPlayer | gud luk |
| 20:14.01 | Monet | I can provide the icons used on the Andromeda map |
| 20:14.32 | Imperios | Xho: which maps? |
| 20:14.37 | Xho | Tuuros Galaxy |
| 20:15.18 | Imperios | Right what kind of icons do you want |
| 20:15.31 | Xho | Map icons |
| 20:15.34 | Xho | As in |
| 20:15.36 | Xho | all of them |
| 20:17.02 | Imperios | So for different states and colonists |
| 20:17.08 | Hachiman | Imperios: Gimme ideas for Tuuros races pls |
| 20:17.12 | Hachiman | Or a Tuuros race |
| 20:17.45 | Xho | OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FUCK THIS FUCKING MAP FEATURE |
| 20:17.46 | Xho | JUST FUCK IT |
| 20:18.16 | Monet | What now |
| 20:18.35 | Xho | Why doesn't anything actually work on the edit feature |
| 20:18.46 | Xho | I add 5 pin categories -> adds two |
| 20:18.56 | Monet | It's laggy |
| 20:19.21 | Monet | COme back in a few minutes it'll probably have five. |
| 20:20.23 | Wormy_ | Woa type "use the force luke" (without commas) into Youtube |
| 20:21.46 | *** join/#sporewiki Charles_Murray (32b8eef8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.184.238.248) |
| 20:21.48 | Imperios | Hachiman: Hedgehog people |
| 20:21.56 | Hachiman | Fuck no hur |
| 20:21.59 | Imperios | That are associated with mist |
| 20:22.04 | Imperios | Not Sonic-like hedgehog people |
| 20:22.07 | Imperios | Like normal hedgehogs |
| 20:22.09 | Imperios | Spiky aliens |
| 20:22.13 | Hachiman | Why mist? |
| 20:22.52 | Xho | Sanic.exe Sectr |
| 20:23.06 | Xho | Was gonna correct the typo but it's funnier like that |
| 20:25.26 | OluapPlayer | we already got sonic-like people |
| 20:25.28 | OluapPlayer | hachi's race |
| 20:26.35 | Hachiman | fuk offffff |
| 20:27.07 | Monet | I would have joked but with my present mood it'd be inadvisable to. |
| 20:30.18 | Xho | A race of |
| 20:30.20 | Xho | ximicacans |
| 20:30.34 | Hachiman | XIMICACAN |
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| 20:31.42 | Hachiman | I did think of a race based on jaguars or eagles |
| 20:31.45 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 20:31.46 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 20:32.11 | Hachiman | But then, I'm sure that I can maybe do better than "more anthropomorth animals in space" |
| 20:32.44 | OluapPlayer | ~throw Cyrannian |
| 20:32.44 | infobot | ACTION winds up and throws Cyrannian over the moon. |
| 20:32.51 | Cyrannian | ~explode OluapPlayer |
| 20:32.52 | infobot | ACTION blows up OluapPlayer with bombs |
| 20:32.54 | Imperios | Why not both |
| 20:33.09 | Hachiman | Eagle jaguars |
| 20:33.10 | Imperios | Hachiman: Give them subtler furry traits |
| 20:33.15 | Imperios | Like Turians |
| 20:33.18 | Imperios | *turians |
| 20:33.21 | Imperios | or krogans |
| 20:33.24 | Xho | anthropomorphic alien eagle jaguars |
| 20:33.25 | Hachiman | Hm |
| 20:33.30 | Xho | because XIMICACAN |
| 20:33.32 | Imperios | Krogans are turtle people but are not furry turtles |
| 20:33.37 | Hachiman | XIMICACAN XIMICACAN |
| 20:34.00 | Hachiman | Imperios: How would I go about doing that? |
| 20:34.10 | Hachiman | Like, how could I be subtle about them being anthro jaguars hur |
| 20:34.18 | Imperios | Hm |
| 20:34.39 | Hachiman | Reptiles are easier to be subtle with |
| 20:35.10 | Imperios | Give them a subtly predatory body plan, some alien mane, a flat face but with an armoured beak-like mouth |
| 20:35.11 | Monet | Well eh has a point with the Krogan - take the animal's features as inspiration and add other bits on. |
| 20:36.49 | Hachiman | Right |
| 20:38.17 | Cyrannian | http://evilution90.deviantart.com/gallery/ - These are very impressive if you need inspiration |
| 20:39.08 | Xho | That guy |
| 20:39.12 | Xho | Saturates my feed |
| 20:39.14 | Hachiman | I saw those earlier |
| 20:39.18 | Hachiman | Those are pretty good |
| 21:05.13 | Xho | Wormy_: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=749884076 |
| 21:09.43 | Wormy_ | Better start digging a cave! |
| 21:11.20 | Xho | I just went "nah m8" and left it |
| 21:11.26 | Xho | Although I then got shot down by random NPCs |
| 21:19.46 | Wormy_ | Damn pirates, I've started to improve my shields and weapons this last couple of games |
| 21:20.55 | Wormy_ | I managed to evade some pirates as I was close to a planet where I could land and take refuge in an outpost |
| 21:25.46 | Monet | YARR |
| 21:29.29 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 21:31.36 | ZF101 | Gotta go guys. Bye bye. |
| 21:42.29 | Imperios | Charles_Murray DrodoEmpire: So I've been thinking about Korean reunification (was on Korean Independence Day recently) and I can see a giant issue with that outside the obvious economic gap |
| 21:42.41 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
| 21:42.48 | Imperios | Both countries have HUGE militaries |
| 21:43.06 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 21:43.13 | DrodoEmpire | How exactly is this an issue? |
| 21:43.23 | DrodoEmpire | Do you mean restructuring the military? |
| 21:43.28 | DrodoEmpire | The technological gap? |
| 21:43.35 | Imperios | Mostly the size |
| 21:43.42 | Imperios | These two armies are, right now, focused on fighting one another, and thus have some purpose |
| 21:43.47 | DrodoEmpire | Debate on the size, who, where, and what should be cut? |
| 21:43.56 | Imperios | Unite Korea, and you have a huge military that it won't even need |
| 21:44.00 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh |
| 21:44.01 | Imperios | That yeah |
| 21:44.08 | Imperios | You'd need to fund that |
| 21:44.09 | DrodoEmpire | There's still China |
| 21:44.17 | Imperios | Fair point |
| 21:44.36 | Imperios | Though I do not see why China would pose a threat, considering the economic ties between the two |
| 21:44.51 | Imperios | And even then, the military would still be overswollen |
| 21:45.03 | DrodoEmpire | If the South were to be the one the new country's based off of |
| 21:45.15 | DrodoEmpire | It'd have huge diplomatic consequences with China, no doubt |
| 21:45.43 | DrodoEmpire | NK and China have lot of diplomatic relations and stuff, and China's been awful pushy as of late |
| 21:45.55 | DrodoEmpire | Charles may be the better one here |
| 21:46.13 | Imperios | It wouldn't be economically beneficial for them to fight, that's what I mean |
| 21:46.21 | Imperios | The two's economies are tied together |
| 21:46.27 | Charles_Murray | Imperios You're missing the entire security structure of the Asia-Pacific region |
| 21:46.34 | Imperios | You have like 15 million people |
| 21:46.36 | Imperios | Right |
| 21:47.11 | Charles_Murray | i.e., they consist one of the borders of a massive schism between China-aligned and US-aligned camps |
| 21:48.02 | Imperios | That'd be an issue, but I am talking about the military here |
| 21:48.27 | Imperios | Though actually if the unified Korean state were to proclaim itself neutral, a larger military would make sens |
| 21:50.35 | DrodoEmpire | Technobliterator: The chapter four bit I could do is done and on the titanpad :D |
| 21:50.47 | Technobliterator | niice |
| 21:51.21 | Imperios | Anyway, Charles, continue |
| 21:52.13 | Hachiman | It's not like the Chinese could defend themselves from a unified Korean military campaign |
| 21:52.52 | DrodoEmpire | The Chinese have a pretty big military, and China's a country that's hard to invade in general |
| 21:53.09 | Hachiman | Wasn't China invaded and conquered like three times/ |
| 21:53.17 | Imperios | More often than that |
| 21:53.23 | DrodoEmpire | In all of history, that's a good record |
| 21:53.27 | Imperios | But that was the Middle Ages, things are different now |
| 21:53.33 | Imperios | And the... before the Middle Ages |
| 21:53.36 | DrodoEmpire | And there was additional context |
| 21:53.57 | Hachiman | I know that Chinese culture and traditions continued in spite of being conquered numerous times |
| 21:53.59 | DrodoEmpire | The mongols were an exceptionally-strong force, which struck at a bloated and divided China |
| 21:54.23 | DrodoEmpire | The Opium Wars were wars of very very limited objectives, against, again, a bloated, outdated, and feeble Qing |
| 21:54.29 | Imperios | Hachiman: Send off as many Northern paramilitary conscripts as you can at the enemy while bolstered with more well-equipped Southern forces here and there |
| 21:54.38 | Imperios | kekekekekekekek |
| 21:54.57 | Monet | China now, compared to these times, is very strong. |
| 21:55.00 | DrodoEmpire | and going to the Bronze age we see that the Qin were A. fucking crazy, barely Chinese at all and B. struck at a divided China |
| 21:55.36 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: So... the Macedonians of the East? |
| 21:55.42 | DrodoEmpire | In a sense yeah |
| 21:55.48 | Hachiman | I would half-expect a unified Korea to send all of its Northern militants over to Japan and reinforced with some Southern divisions as payback for the solution Japan reached when it suffered the exact same problem upon its own unification |
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| 21:56.05 | DrodoEmpire | Contemporary sources tell us that they were uncultured and militaristic |
| 21:56.17 | DrodoEmpire | And they existed on the very outskirts of Chinese civilisation |
| 21:56.22 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 21:56.28 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 21:56.44 | DrodoEmpire | So, yeah, in principle China's hard to invade via land |
| 21:56.51 | Imperios | >talking about invading China |
| 21:56.53 | Imperios | >Tybusen appears |
| 21:56.57 | DrodoEmpire | Its huge, populous, and lacks defined objectives |
| 21:56.58 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 21:57.11 | Monet | Hachiman: That sounds a little petty. |
| 21:57.26 | DrodoEmpire | It also sounds like it'd never ever happen |
| 21:57.26 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 21:57.31 | DrodoEmpire | Nobody goes to war anymore |
| 21:57.35 | DrodoEmpire | Not developed nations |
| 21:57.36 | Imperios | Monet: There is one point of contention between Korea and Japan still |
| 21:57.42 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah of course |
| 21:57.49 | Imperios | Granted it's two tiny rocks in the sea but stiill |
| 21:57.52 | Hachiman | Which is why I said "half-expect" hur |
| 21:57.53 | DrodoEmpire | And that's the second thing that might keep a big Korean military around |
| 21:58.18 | Hachiman | Japan's not allowed to instigate war anymore iirc |
| 21:58.27 | Imperios | Tybusen: We're talking about what would happen to the Korean military if Korea was to be unified |
| 21:58.44 | Tybusen | Ah |
| 21:58.44 | Imperios | As in, what could the Korean government do with all them people |
| 21:58.49 | Monet | A unified Korea will have to clean up the mountain of problems created by the Kim dynasty. |
| 21:58.54 | Imperios | That to |
| 21:58.57 | Imperios | o |
| 21:59.22 | Tybusen | I'd imagine Korea might demilitarize a little bit, but probably still keep up a decent military to protect themselves from neighbors like China |
| 21:59.38 | Monet | It might be way too busy fixing what the Kims broke to consider invading anyone. |
| 21:59.49 | Tybusen | Korea and Japan don't really like each other but I can't ever see them actually going to war with each other |
| 22:00.02 | Imperios | Tybusen: I can totally imagine organised crime rising in Korea because of this |
| 22:00.10 | Imperios | Think what happened in Russia, or is happening right now in Iraq |
| 22:00.21 | Imperios | Or South Africa |
| 22:00.22 | Imperios | You disband a military, it decides to do something else |
| 22:01.05 | Tybusen | Right, though you have to see what the similiarities and differences are between the Korean military system and the militaries of Russia, Iraq, etc. |
| 22:01.11 | Imperios | True that |
| 22:01.27 | Tybusen | I could see the North Korean military becoming like that though |
| 22:01.49 | Tybusen | South Korean military doesn't seem like the type to turn to organized crime |
| 22:02.30 | Tybusen | Of course, I don't know what the state of organized crime in Korea is |
| 22:02.40 | Imperios | Well |
| 22:02.55 | Hachiman | You'd have to be careful with North Korean soldiers-turned-criminals, apparently from the videos that NK has released or have been leaked, NK soldiers can take down a squad of a dozen men with just their bare fists |
| 22:03.04 | Hachiman | And can break wood and brick with their punches and kicks |
| 22:03.05 | Tybusen | I know that the Yakuza are pretty entrenched in Japan, but I don't know if Korea has anything similar |
| 22:03.16 | Imperios | I think any people with killing-related skills and no job could get troublesome |
| 22:03.29 | Tybusen | Hachiman: 100 pushups, 100 situps, and a 10 km run, every day |
| 22:03.39 | Hachiman | And no AC in Summer |
| 22:03.58 | Tybusen | With NK though, no AC ever |
| 22:04.02 | Hachiman | kek |
| 22:04.42 | Tybusen | Imperios: Right, though how those people turn out might depend on the society |
| 22:05.26 | Tybusen | US veterans tend to have droves of psychological issues but they don't seem to fall into organized crime |
| 22:06.41 | Monet | Not since the discovery that a discharged veteran with PTSD tends to very quickly turn to drinking. |
| 22:07.49 | Tybusen | I think the issue of discharged Korean vets turning to organized crime would probably depend on Korean society's attitudes towards their veterans and whether there's an entrenched organized crime system already in place in Korea |
| 22:09.05 | Tybusen | It might be hard to compare it to Russia because Russia has different societal values than Korea, and Russia also already had the Russian mafia in place |
| 22:09.43 | Imperios | Indeed |
| 22:11.52 | Tybusen | I don't know if Korea has an organized crime subculture in the present day, and if it does exist, does it even resemble organized crime systems that we already know about, like the Russian mafia, Italian mafia, or Japanese yakuza? |
| 22:13.39 | Xho | They do |
| 22:14.13 | Xho | It's called the Geondal |
| 22:14.49 | Xho | Well the more common names is Kkangpae I believe |
| 22:20.47 | Imperios | Anyway good night m8s |
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| 22:55.36 | ImpyDroid | Hi. |
| 22:55.42 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1471905609677.jpg |
| 22:57.13 | Wormy_ | Heard of him |
| 22:57.16 | DrodoEmpire | Intergalactic warlord hopeful Cecil Rhodes |
| 22:57.17 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 22:57.31 | DrodoEmpire | Well yeah hard not to hear of him considering a country was named after him |
| 22:57.46 | DrodoEmpire | Basically some sorta British capitalist in Africa, heard he was a bit of a dick |
| 22:58.07 | Wormy_ | Same, but I can't put my finger on what |
| 22:58.23 | Wormy_ | he said/did |
| 22:59.31 | DrodoEmpire | He was governor of South Africa, a mining magnate, apparently a big fan of a Cape to Cairo railway, and was a hardcore imperialist |
| 22:59.39 | DrodoEmpire | Apparently |
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| 23:07.49 | Wormy_ | He was like an Elon Musk of his day, but more imperialist |
| 23:10.17 | Wormy_ | I wonder what images, if at all he conjured up of space travel to colonise and conquer the stars |
| 23:10.47 | Wormy_ | I remember a Victorian story about a brick spaceship |
| 23:11.29 | Wormy_ | Or Jules Verne's story of using a cannon to fire a vehicle to the moon |
| 23:19.28 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.40 | Monet | Still, he did write about it true. |
| 23:23.42 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I like that sorta retro-futurism |
| 23:24.13 | DrodoEmpire | I wonder if he ever could fathom the immense distances between stars, or if anybody could back then for that matter |
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| 23:27.35 | Wormy_ | I think they did know about the distances, and knew what the speed of light was, but believed the Milky Way to be alone (Andromeda being considered a nebula) |
| 23:28.25 | DrodoEmpire | Something like that yeah |
| 23:28.37 | DrodoEmpire | But I more mean Rhodes personally |
| 23:29.04 | DrodoEmpire | I'm sure it'd blow away anybody's wildest expectations |
| 23:29.06 | Wormy_ | After all this problem was argued on the basis that they thought the universe was infinite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox |
| 23:29.30 | Wormy_ | Indeed, it would |
| 23:30.15 | Wormy_ | I wonder if the reason Rhodes thought of it was because he lived in a time of rapidly advancing technology, and the popularity of H.G Wells and other early writers |
| 23:30.30 | Wormy_ | *early sci-fi writers |
| 23:30.51 | DrodoEmpire | Probably yeah |
| 23:38.32 | Monet | I don't feel confident about this The Purge sequel. Too much focus on sociopaths wearing creepy and ironic masks. |
| 23:39.01 | DrodoEmpire | I don't feel confident about The Purge period |
| 23:39.12 | DrodoEmpire | Stupidest premise for a movie ever |
| 23:39.55 | DrodoEmpire | There are many better excuses to have a bunch of mindless violence on a television screen then a government policy of legalising all crime for 24 hours >.< |
| 23:40.32 | Monet | It's a slasher film. |
| 23:40.42 | Monet | The plot isn't what bothers me |
| 23:41.33 | Monet | The first film focused around a gang in masks, this film takes the mask idea and we have tow guys wearing hacked-up presidential heads and a neon-lit statue of liberty face. |
| 23:43.06 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
