00:00.54 | Monet | And unlike humans, the gender proportios aren't 50-50. More like 75-25 or 66-33 men-to-women. |
00:01.39 | OluapPlayer | There's more males than females? |
00:01.54 | Monet | Yeah. |
00:02.19 | OluapPlayer | I see |
00:02.43 | NeonPanda | Fordanta are somewhere along that line too, encourages competition |
00:03.11 | OluapPlayer | Dracogonarious are pretty clearly matriarchal. Easy to tell when they are ruled by a council of females |
00:03.14 | Monet | For draconis it's the root of why it's okay to bed your in-laws. |
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00:03.31 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
00:03.34 | Monet | Hi |
00:03.34 | Rock_From_Hell | Hello |
00:03.51 | DrodoEmpire | I think Drodo society was as sexist as ancient human societies were- though gender roles did and do exist |
00:04.17 | OluapPlayer | Dracogonarious females are more massive than males too which probably contributed to it |
00:04.31 | DrodoEmpire | i.e Warfare and security is a man's job, and when a clan conflict gets violent/a town needs to protect itself its the young men who are rallied |
00:04.43 | Monet | Draconid men occupy so many government and military positions largely because there's more of them. |
00:05.09 | DrodoEmpire | Medicine and maybe even administrative jobs are often seen as feminine though, so the roles themselves are pretty equal in respectability |
00:05.31 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah makes sense |
00:05.45 | NeonPanda | Fordanta are purely meritocratic, and there isn't too much by way of sexual dimorphism |
00:05.47 | OluapPlayer | I've never thought too much about it on my other races, mainly because I don't like putting things I dislike in real life into my factions |
00:06.02 | OluapPlayer | Don't like sexism so my fictions don't have sexism involved |
00:06.07 | DrodoEmpire | Fair enough |
00:06.17 | Hachiman | dats projectin |
00:06.21 | NeonPanda | so it really is on an individual level |
00:06.31 | Monet | I did wonder if being slightly larger could be a trait of Draconid women. But they're a species who attribute physical size to superior strength, charisma, age and wisdom. |
00:06.36 | OluapPlayer | Course it's projecting, wiki is for escapism |
00:07.05 | Hachiman | So does this mean that Norrigan being a batshit crazy zealous asshat is how you view Christians / religious people in general hur |
00:07.23 | OluapPlayer | >Norrigan >an asshat |
00:07.42 | OluapPlayer | He acts like he does because he's an exaggerated Solaire expy |
00:07.51 | Monet | Being larger might be a reason for them to join the military. Which is the men's job. |
00:08.07 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
00:08.30 | Monet | They could have wider hips and better minds for administration. I think I've unconsciously done that. |
00:08.32 | NeonPanda | Monet: biologically speaking, the ones doing the competing are usually the larger ones |
00:09.09 | Monet | Uriel's always running off to explore some far-off planet or visit a friend, leaving Alensia to preside over his administrative duties. |
00:09.38 | OluapPlayer | Alensia - that good for nothing husband of mine off to visit that midget zazane again |
00:10.53 | Monet | I wonder if she did feel slightly cold towards Tyraz. He's tiny, which makes him less of a man in her eyes, and she's a typical stuffy aristocrat. |
00:12.39 | Monet | Then again her first experience of Tyraz was as the Imperial palace was under siege by forces he helped create. |
00:14.05 | Monet | And when she found her husband dead on the floor, she didn't take well to Tyraz's suggestion of ressurecting Uriel as the same kind of entity that killed him. |
00:16.36 | Monet | NeonPanda: Well back in their days of bronze, women - like on earth - were prizes. Jus twith a higher risk of having your prize kick the shit out of you. |
00:36.13 | DrodoEmpire | test |
01:04.53 | DrodoEmpire | test |
01:23.12 | DrodoEmpire | https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/4yj54u/canadian_legends_the_tragically_hip_are_playing/ |
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02:57.55 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqQv0OZWcAErg93.jpg:large |
02:57.57 | DrodoEmpire | <. |
02:57.59 | DrodoEmpire | *<.< |
03:25.48 | Tek0516 | Charles_Murray: With some retcons I'm considering there might be some diplomatic RP opportunities for start of Roreinia's civil war. The official separation will occur after the Irenda coup instead of before. So presently there's a several day period between the Irenda coup and the Loyalist counterattack in which both sides are mobilizing but the fighting |
03:25.48 | Tek0516 | has not yet broken out. And even for a time afterwards it might still remain a localized conflict before escalating to full civil war. Could try an RP with the powers trying to de-escalate the conflict in time. |
03:42.06 | Tek0516 | Getting delegates there in time can be handwaved a bit, since a few days earlier there's war threats over accusations of an effective "assassination" attempt against the Opposition leader. Could have the potential diplomatic meeting originally scheduled to defused that but then the coup happens before it starts. |
03:44.44 | Tek0516 | Anyone else is welcome to comment. I'm throwing ideas on an RP of mine out there and seeing what works. :P |
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07:10.37 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
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10:21.58 | Monet | hi |
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12:01.39 | Monet | Hi |
12:03.19 | Wormy_ | Reuploaed a new terrain map for Prasandadr http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Super_collab_render.jpg |
12:04.12 | Wormy_ | It was difficult to make a height map, because one would normally use noise, but I didn't want random noise everywhere it needed to fit the mountains and terrain |
12:04.25 | Wormy_ | I had drawn |
12:04.32 | Wormy_ | So a lot of photoshop |
12:05.06 | Monet | Was going to say one option is to hand-craft a height map |
12:05.26 | Wormy_ | I would take too long imo |
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12:06.03 | Hachiman | Hi |
12:06.04 | Wormy_ | I basically used layers with the map and layers with noise, and carefully erased around the boundaries of mountains and coasts |
12:06.22 | Wormy_ | hi |
12:08.23 | Wormy_ | I'll have to try and bump map it later, and add colours |
12:11.16 | Monet | Thinking about it I suppose I could have helped. |
12:14.05 | Monet | WOuldn't take me too long to fashion up a bumpmap. |
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12:24.57 | Wormy_ | Its very easy to make one in Maya |
12:25.04 | Ghelae | Hello. |
12:25.15 | Wormy_ | However I would need to fix the coastal margins and oceans |
12:25.36 | OluapPlayer | hi |
12:25.59 | Ghelae | If you do want to make maps or globes, Monet, as far as I'm concerned you're perfectly welcome to. |
12:27.29 | Wormy_ | Oh, definitely. Its just that now I've started it, I want to finish it |
12:27.56 | Ghelae | Also, Wormy_, that sea looks a lot bigger than I expected it to be based on the 2D maps. So are those maps supposed to be something like a Mercator projection, with the equator squashed and poles stretched? |
12:28.23 | Wormy_ | Equirectangular, I think |
12:28.56 | Ghelae | Hmm. Okay. |
12:29.40 | Ghelae | That is how I imagined them to be. |
12:29.51 | Monet | I have Mudbox too. |
12:32.25 | Monet | Which is pretty handy for things like creatures and landforms. |
12:33.29 | Wormy_ | I'm not sure how to colour the terrain map in accordance to its biomes |
12:34.12 | Wormy_ | Using levels and stuff like that would change shades across the entire planet |
12:37.41 | Wormy_ | bbl |
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13:55.54 | Jepardi | Hi |
13:56.47 | OluapPlayer | hi |
13:58.01 | Ghelae | Hi |
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14:05.56 | NeonPanda | hi all |
14:06.38 | Ghelae | Hi |
14:10.01 | OluapPlayer | hi |
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14:20.56 | Hachiman | Hi |
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14:54.48 | Monet | Hello |
14:55.20 | Tek0516 | Hello |
14:58.27 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
15:00.33 | ImpyDroid | Ghelae Wormy_away: Remember what you said about Rights of Earth? |
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15:08.40 | Xho | COME ON AND SLAM AND WELCOME TO THE JAM |
15:09.02 | OluapPlayer_ | spoi |
15:09.31 | Xho | i |
15:11.07 | Xho | Are we all available for Eschaton or are we not |
15:11.12 | Xho | Either way I gotta do some stuff |
15:11.15 | OluapPlayer_ | Yes |
15:19.07 | Wormy_away | ImpyDroid: Lots of things have been sai about Rights of Earth, which? |
15:20.10 | Wormy_away | Monet: I feel a bit bad for not starting the maps and 3D projections with you, is there anything you'd like to do? |
15:20.47 | Wormy_away | Its just that I've been juggling a lot of RL things with the Super Collab and wanted to get it done as fast as possible |
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15:45.10 | Monet | No worries Wormy |
15:58.46 | Xho | Hachiman ImpyDroid2: Can you do Eschaton or nah |
15:59.05 | Hachiman | Suppose I can |
15:59.14 | Hachiman | What's the next story? |
15:59.51 | OluapPlayer_ | Vanguard's Amazing Adventure |
15:59.56 | Xho | Starring Pelagrios |
16:00.12 | OluapPlayer_ | By that I mean fighting the Insomnolence |
16:00.20 | Hachiman | Ah |
16:00.25 | Hachiman | Dunno what characters to use |
16:00.32 | Xho | ur eschaton characters dum |
16:01.04 | Hachiman | Eschaton characters change between stories u |
16:01.14 | OluapPlayer_ | I'd not recommend changing characters again |
16:01.22 | OluapPlayer_ | This is the second to last story of Eschaton |
16:02.00 | Hachiman | But the characters we used in the Neva story all went home |
16:02.03 | Hachiman | Or elsewhere |
16:02.16 | OluapPlayer_ | Néva story is AFTER Eschaton |
16:02.20 | Hachiman | Oh |
16:02.22 | Hachiman | Oh right |
16:02.23 | OluapPlayer_ | That was set in the future |
16:02.35 | OluapPlayer_ | top dingus |
16:02.43 | Hachiman | I've forgotten my Eschaton characters then hur |
16:02.49 | OluapPlayer_ | Jesus christ dude |
16:02.58 | Hachiman | Well it's been so long |
16:03.05 | Xho | tap dangus |
16:03.21 | OluapPlayer_ | Hachi, Kanna, Khadya, Hathgar and Eirik |
16:03.29 | Hachiman | Right |
16:03.47 | OluapPlayer_ | No Alfgund anymore cause he ded |
16:04.17 | Hachiman | So this is set after Odyssey |
16:04.54 | OluapPlayer_ | Yes |
16:05.01 | OluapPlayer_ | Immediately after |
16:05.25 | OluapPlayer_ | Cult-centered plot -> Odyssey -> This one -> Ending -> Néva plot |
16:05.25 | Hachiman | Right |
16:05.37 | Xho | "X'impe - H'ram, ximicacan!" " Xacutus - Ooga booga to you too, CHIMP!" |
16:05.43 | Xho | 10/10 |
16:06.04 | OluapPlayer_ | That being said, plot needs the obligatory Xacutus appearance |
16:06.44 | OluapPlayer_ | So get dis started |
16:07.35 | Hachiman | Also considering Imp is on droid I doubt he can start with us |
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16:20.43 | Cyrannian | Hello everyone |
16:21.01 | Technobliterator | hihi |
16:23.22 | OluapPlayer_ | ~throw Cyrannian |
16:23.22 | infobot | ACTION winds up and throws Cyrannian over the moon. |
16:23.30 | Cyrannian | ~tickle OluapPlayer_ |
16:23.31 | infobot | ACTION jumps on OluapPlayer_, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
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16:35.59 | OluapPlayer_ | Imperios: Can you rp Eschaton or no |
16:36.12 | Imperios | I can |
16:36.25 | OluapPlayer_ | Xho: link pad to Imp yo |
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16:52.33 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
16:53.06 | Tek0516 | Hey DrodoEmpire |
16:53.12 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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17:00.29 | Monet2 | Hi |
17:00.57 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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17:27.40 | Monet | Hi |
17:28.31 | Monet | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37095037 so potentially a group of hackers have stolen a series of NSA-developed spyware and are holding a no-win-no-refund auction. |
17:28.45 | Monet | malware, sorry |
17:32.13 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow lol |
17:32.33 | Monet | Sounds dire but my mind's on how this auction has a policy that any bid you put down could be lost forever if you lose. |
17:33.27 | Monet | That sounds more like extortion only the guy who forks over the most gets a malware package as a reward. |
17:34.25 | DrodoEmpire | NSA-developed malware turns out to be this http://i.imgur.com/4N2T6eq.jpg |
17:36.11 | Monet | Although the story also somewhat reminded me Bitcoin is a thing. I usually forget it is because it's so insanely unstable as a currency I doubt it'll become used in official channels. |
17:38.16 | Monet | Actually I wonder if Bitcoin is a suitable reference as to why the gold standard isn't worthwhile anymore. |
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17:38.34 | Luxor | ay |
17:38.36 | DrodoEmpire | Charles_Murray !? |
17:38.38 | DrodoEmpire | *? |
17:38.42 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
17:38.49 | Charles_Murray | ? |
17:39.05 | DrodoEmpire | Monet's question, figured you could weigh in |
17:39.13 | DrodoEmpire | Or be otherwise interested |
17:39.56 | Charles_Murray | Well, he'd have to expand on what he means |
17:40.42 | Monet | As an analogy. |
17:40.51 | Charles_Murray | Right, but what aspects of it |
17:42.20 | Monet | The main arguments I've seen against quantitative easing or fiat currency is "they create money out of thin air", which makes them vulnerable to hyperinflation via over-printing. Bitcoins are produced at a limited rate. They can't be produced instantly like fiat currency. |
17:42.34 | Luxor | There |
17:42.45 | Luxor | There's a fixed amount of Bitcoins.** |
17:42.51 | Luxor | ah, stupid keyboard. |
17:42.59 | Monet | Right, yeah. |
17:43.25 | Monet | You can "mine" it, but that takes time and a strong internet connection. |
17:44.09 | Monet | The amount of bitcoins floating around has a finite limit, much like the amount of gold that can be in circulation. |
17:44.28 | Luxor | assuming we only can use gold from Earth.** |
17:44.52 | DrodoEmpire | Which is a safe assumption for at least another fifty or a hundred years |
17:44.53 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
17:45.10 | Luxor | Nah, useless metal. |
17:45.15 | Luxor | Nice colour doe. |
17:45.25 | Monet | Oh it's far from useless. |
17:45.32 | DrodoEmpire | Actually its a great conductor and is rare, so it therefore has value |
17:45.42 | DrodoEmpire | It also doesn't decay like other metals so it doesn't lose value |
17:45.53 | DrodoEmpire | That's like saying money is "useless paper" |
17:45.57 | Luxor | it is |
17:46.02 | DrodoEmpire | It isn't |
17:46.09 | Luxor | nah, kidding. |
17:46.10 | DrodoEmpire | Its a medium of exchange |
17:46.10 | Monet | The thing is Bitcoin's value is notoriously unstable http://blog.cex.io/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/market-price.png |
17:46.14 | Luxor | proceed with discussion. |
17:46.18 | Charles_Murray | "The main arguments I've seen against quantitative easing or fiat currency is "they create money out of thin air", which makes them vulnerable to hyperinflation via over-printing. Bitcoins are produced at a limited rate. They can't be produced instantly like fiat currency." - Hnng |
17:46.55 | Luxor | A great example is hyperinflation in Germoney in 1920's |
17:47.18 | Charles_Murray | You can print money under the gold standard as well |
17:47.18 | Monet | Luxor: The Weimar Republic acted irresponsible. |
17:47.45 | Luxor | Yes, though that was a result of war reparations |
17:47.56 | Luxor | Though German economy was trash by then. |
17:48.06 | Charles_Murray | Fiat money is backed by the economies that use it; it is an assurance that somewhere in the world you can exchange that piece of paper for a commodity or good worth however much it says on the tin |
17:48.52 | Monet | THat summary of Fiat money is why I don't see Bitcoin as a thing that could replace the US dollar internationally - it's too unstable. |
17:49.03 | DrodoEmpire | I'm a libertarian myself, but yeah the whole argument against fiat that amounts basically to "muh state control" is dumb |
17:49.17 | DrodoEmpire | As an aside |
17:50.07 | Charles_Murray | Well, keep in mind that whether you're a libertarian or not, the money supply is the purview of central banks |
17:50.13 | Luxor | Completely item-dependent currencies aren't a good alternative neither |
17:50.48 | Monet | Fiat currencies are kept stable through trust. For instance, despite being one of the largest economies in the world, hardly anyone uses the Chinese Yuan except for China itself. |
17:50.51 | DrodoEmpire | Charles_Murray: Yeah exactl |
17:50.52 | DrodoEmpire | *y |
17:50.57 | DrodoEmpire | It doesn't *really* matter |
17:51.06 | Luxor | Basing currency values using gold over a century ago resulted in awkward situations. |
17:51.47 | Charles_Murray | Monet : Actually the Chinese Yuan was one of the currencies to which money fled when Brexit happen. |
17:51.53 | Charles_Murray | Happened* |
17:51.55 | Charles_Murray | Again. |
17:51.55 | Charles_Murray | It's |
17:51.57 | Charles_Murray | More |
17:52.00 | Charles_Murray | Complicated |
17:52.35 | Monet | I wasn't aware that happened. |
17:53.42 | Luxor | What led to this discussion? |
17:53.46 | Monet | It does feel strange how much a situation that hasn't happened yet is driving an economic event. |
17:54.35 | Monet | Actually I just remembered another hurdle Bitcoin has that gives the currency trust issues: Its reputation on the black market. |
17:56.04 | Monet | Luxor: I got thinking again by reading this article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37095037 . The hackers were to hold an auction using bitcoins. |
17:56.32 | Luxor | woah. |
17:56.34 | Wormy_ | I'm having a bit of trouble in Photoshop, I want to make the ocean smooth and appear lower than the continents. But using the bucket tool either colours too much or too little. And I'm not doing much better with the wand tool to select the continents |
17:57.01 | Wormy_ | On the other hand the latter would be useful in moving them closer together if we want to reduce the gap of the sea |
17:57.01 | Monet | And said they may release the code for free if total bids surpass 1m bitcoins (or £485m, £485 per coin) |
17:57.29 | Wormy_ | Maybe I should just draw around the continents? |
17:57.34 | Wormy_ | and cut them out |
17:57.47 | Luxor | try out options, check which looks best |
17:57.52 | Monet | Wormy: If you're struggling with the wand tool it might be worthwhile to use the lasso tool. |
17:58.32 | Wormy_ | I'll give that a go, thanks |
17:58.47 | Wormy_ | bbl again |
17:59.06 | Monet | You can draw around the continents (shift I think, allowing you to draw multiple areas), invert selection and then you can freely paint inside the selected zone. |
18:00.04 | DrodoEmpire | Alright everyone |
18:00.06 | Wormy_ | Or I could create layers out of cut-out continents and stick them on a blank background |
18:00.17 | DrodoEmpire | I'ma start an Ironman mode game on EUIV, starting in 1444 |
18:00.29 | DrodoEmpire | What country should I play and no really fucking stupid countries please |
18:00.37 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
18:01.14 | Luxor | Ulm |
18:01.21 | Luxor | form germany |
18:01.23 | DrodoEmpire | No >.< |
18:01.28 | Luxor | ...Navarra |
18:01.29 | DrodoEmpire | No HRE pls |
18:01.35 | Luxor | that's a challenge |
18:01.39 | Luxor | or Theodoro |
18:01.40 | Monet | Peru? |
18:01.44 | DrodoEmpire | No really dumb countries |
18:01.50 | Luxor | Tabarestan |
18:01.53 | Monet | Brazil. |
18:01.54 | DrodoEmpire | Peru doesn't exist in 1444, but I could play Cusco |
18:02.00 | Luxor | Brazil does neither Monet |
18:02.01 | DrodoEmpire | Nor does Brazil >.< |
18:02.04 | Monet | Oh nvm Brazil then |
18:02.08 | Luxor | Novogrod maybe? |
18:02.09 | Monet | Portugal? |
18:02.11 | Luxor | Or Norway |
18:02.15 | DrodoEmpire | Portugal might be cool |
18:02.23 | Luxor | Portugal is colony cancer |
18:02.30 | DrodoEmpire | I like colonising |
18:02.33 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
18:02.50 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
18:02.58 | Luxor | I'm currently playing as Russia trying to defend from Persians and Ottos |
18:03.01 | Charles_Murray | DrodoEmpire France |
18:03.04 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow |
18:03.04 | Luxor | hue |
18:03.12 | DrodoEmpire | Ew France |
18:03.16 | Luxor | France...? |
18:03.18 | Charles_Murray | yey France |
18:03.19 | DrodoEmpire | I want a challenge <.< |
18:03.20 | Monet | WOuldn't playing France count as "no stupid countries?" |
18:03.22 | Luxor | You never played eu4 did you |
18:03.37 | Monet | Luxor: France is ez mode. |
18:03.39 | Charles_Murray | Lux, I have 400 hours on it |
18:03.43 | Luxor | France is super ez mode. |
18:03.49 | Charles_Murray | I know |
18:03.54 | DrodoEmpire | kk, so its Portugal or Cusco |
18:03.59 | DrodoEmpire | coin flip |
18:04.01 | Luxor | Try Portos. |
18:04.23 | Monet | Flood the world in a tide of hue. |
18:04.28 | DrodoEmpire | livestreamed, extreme eu4 gambling on eu4orkoveryourcash.scam |
18:04.31 | Luxor | *huehue intensifies* |
18:05.09 | Luxor | If you want a real challenge, play Circassia and become Emperor. |
18:05.33 | Luxor | or Delhi, same goal. |
18:05.43 | DrodoEmpire | kk, if I land on the Bluenose on this dime I'll play Portugal (of course), heads Cusco |
18:05.43 | Tek0516 | Charles_Murray: Did you see my diplo RP idea from last night? |
18:05.57 | DrodoEmpire | Alright, Cusco it is |
18:06.00 | Monet | Play Delhi, kick out the Bongs. |
18:06.03 | DrodoEmpire | Form and westernise Inca |
18:06.04 | Luxor | kek |
18:06.23 | Luxor | and drive out spanish and portos |
18:06.27 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
18:06.54 | Luxor | in my Russia save Pope has a colony in Colombia |
18:07.06 | Charles_Murray | Tek0516 : I did, I'd be up for it |
18:08.17 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
18:08.59 | Luxor | Danish USA declared independence |
18:09.09 | Luxor | most awkward play ever |
18:12.04 | Imperios | >Russia |
18:12.07 | Imperios | >Pope |
18:12.14 | Imperios | <ABSOLUTELY UNORTHODOX> |
18:13.01 | Luxor | U see ivan, when colonize like pope, you get more monnies. |
18:18.05 | Charles_Murray | Tek0516 : Let me know how you want to organize it, and what you want me to do |
18:25.17 | Imperios | Luxor: We just need to make them Russian |
18:25.25 | Imperios | So that they will become Russian minorities |
18:25.27 | Imperios | OPPRESSED |
18:25.28 | Imperios | RUSSIAN |
18:25.29 | Imperios | MINORITIES |
18:27.43 | Charles_Murray | France is fun to play in MP |
18:27.52 | Charles_Murray | Because you have the entirety of Europe against you |
18:28.02 | Charles_Murray | And at that point it's fair |
18:28.29 | DrodoEmpire | Eh yeah |
18:29.21 | Monet | France in MP: It's like the Napoleonic Wars only it lasts for over 400 years. |
18:29.37 | Charles_Murray | Well tbf |
18:29.43 | Charles_Murray | It always was France vs. Europe |
18:29.50 | Charles_Murray | And France tended to always win |
18:30.02 | Charles_Murray | Until 1812 |
18:30.22 | Tek0516 | Don't forget that even a millenium before France annexed most of Italy and Germany. ;) |
18:30.33 | Monet | France's OP status I guess helped ensure the HRE did not take over all of Europe. |
18:30.48 | Charles_Murray | France was the HRE lol |
18:30.56 | Luxor | That was Francia to be precise |
18:31.01 | Charles_Murray | Then it #Frexit |
18:31.08 | Luxor | hue |
18:31.08 | Monet | Wait what? |
18:31.11 | Xho | Charles_Murray: Until 1812, when Tchaikovsky released his Overture and bitchslapped all of Europe to the tune of Eâ major |
18:31.20 | Tek0516 | >.> |
18:31.21 | Charles_Murray | Xho : I love that piece |
18:31.22 | Luxor | :D |
18:31.37 | Charles_Murray | Monet : Yeah, France founded the thing |
18:32.00 | Luxor | so technically France was the reason of Commonwealth's collapse |
18:32.10 | Luxor | what goes back to Charlemagne, |
18:32.16 | Monet | Charlemagne was a Frank wasn't he? |
18:32.23 | Charles_Murray | Yeah |
18:32.26 | Luxor | yus |
18:32.28 | Tek0516 | Well more specifically, didn't the HRE basically collapse then the German part of the Karlungs recreated it? |
18:32.33 | Monet | Of course, now I understand. |
18:32.55 | Luxor | ...there was no HRE before Francia's 'separation' |
18:33.16 | Luxor | Partition to 3 parts |
18:33.25 | Luxor | which further formed Germoney, France, Italy. |
18:33.50 | Tek0516 | Not quite. |
18:33.53 | Luxor | by that time Germany was populated by saxons and normans as far as I know |
18:35.33 | Tek0516 | Unless I'm mistaken the Charlemagne's empire broken apart, then eventually merged into France in the west and the HRE (Germany and north Italy) in the east. |
18:35.41 | Luxor | & |
18:35.44 | Luxor | ^** |
18:35.50 | Luxor | yes. |
18:37.34 | Monet | So France was the first HRE, it broke apart and existed as an eternal rival to the German successor. |
18:38.10 | Charles_Murray | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francia |
18:38.40 | Luxor | I'll use that map for my EUIV custom scenario. |
18:38.48 | Luxor | Austrasia... |
18:38.51 | Luxor | intruiging. |
18:39.27 | Luxor | Any ideas for Italian nations? |
18:39.49 | Luxor | I've got Baltic and West in my head already, but I still need to work on Mediterranean |
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19:52.45 | The_Randomness | Hello |
20:05.43 | Monet | In other tech news, Uber is on course for rolling out driverless cars. |
20:05.55 | The_Randomness | :o |
20:08.26 | Monet | I might consider Uber once they bring out cars that have no driver. |
20:11.13 | Monet | Right now I'd prefer cabbies who have had a thorough background check and proper orienteering sessions. |
20:15.06 | Imperios | mememeememememememememememememe |
20:18.18 | Monet | Imperios: You sure you want to be be a cabbie? |
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20:19.52 | Monet | Hi |
20:20.00 | OluapPlayer | Bah Xho's gone |
20:20.01 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
20:20.20 | Monet | Imperios: You could be the Korean Mohinder Suresh - professor by day, cabbie by night. |
20:21.07 | OluapPlayer | GTA III has way too many fucking timed missions and it's getting on my nerves |
20:21.16 | OluapPlayer | Vice City and San Andreas don't got that crap |
20:22.11 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
20:22.44 | OluapPlayer | So was I but I got III + VC + SA as a gift and I had never played III before so I went for it first |
20:23.03 | OluapPlayer | III has too many timed missions, some of them don't even make sense to be timed |
20:23.23 | OluapPlayer | "Get these 3 cars for me, btw YOU ONLY HAVE 5 MINUTES" |
20:24.10 | Monet | I was completely oblivious as to what a gimp was back then. I took SA's gimp suit, the jetpack and pretended I was a kung-fu superhero. |
20:24.17 | OluapPlayer | lel |
20:24.32 | OluapPlayer | Red flag #1 = it's a fetch quest. Red flag #2 = it's a timed fetch quest |
20:25.15 | OluapPlayer | Each car is at a different point of the city and you only have 5 minutes to get all 3 of them to a garage, and they can't be delivered if they're damaged |
20:25.19 | Monet | I don't remember many timed quests in III. Then again it's been ages. |
20:25.29 | OluapPlayer | I failed the mission while delivering the third car |
20:25.33 | OluapPlayer | I WAS LEAVING THE GARAGE |
20:25.37 | OluapPlayer | AND TIME RAN OUT |
20:25.46 | Monet | Ouch... |
20:25.52 | OluapPlayer | I'm currently 200% salt |
20:27.16 | OluapPlayer | The following attempts were me crashing into people and destroying the cars in frustration |
20:27.49 | OluapPlayer | I might skip this game altogether and just move on to Vice City. At least I've played that one before and I know it's great |
20:29.12 | Monet | You don't need to play them sequentially, fortunately. |
20:29.33 | OluapPlayer | Yeah |
20:29.44 | Monet | III is 2000-whatever, VC is 1984, SA is 1992. |
20:29.50 | OluapPlayer | I palyed San Andreas first but Vice City was the only game I played all the way to completion |
20:30.00 | Monet | or was VC 1983? |
20:30.05 | OluapPlayer | Mostly because SA is goddamn long |
20:30.39 | OluapPlayer | VC takes place in 1986 |
20:30.48 | Monet | '86, right. |
20:31.05 | Monet | Whenever I think of that game these days I remember Scarface. |
20:31.26 | OluapPlayer | It's heavily inspired by Scarface yeah |
20:32.33 | Monet | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-QD_HIfjA play this when you're doing something heavy. |
20:32.49 | Monet | Or during the Finale. |
20:33.35 | OluapPlayer | Also I swear cars in this game feel like they're made of toilet paper |
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20:34.01 | OluapPlayer | Just a few bumps and smoke starts coming out. About 3 seconds of Uzi fire and they explode |
20:34.13 | Monet | Don't worry, in IV you'd swear you're driving a boat so it balances out. |
20:34.35 | OluapPlayer | I've played IV and the cars handled well there |
20:34.51 | OluapPlayer | Lost my save (and the game) when the PC got wiped out though |
20:36.10 | Monet | "HEY NIKO COUSIN IT'S ROMAN, LET'S GO BOWLING" |
20:36.15 | The_Randomness | heh |
20:36.53 | Monet | Best bit was when Roman calls you as you're flying a helicopter with Little Jacob handling an RPG in the back. |
20:37.06 | OluapPlayer | I didn't get that far |
20:37.18 | Monet | Actually when I listen to Push It To The Limit I have this mental image of Tommy Vercetti burying his face in a mound of coke six inches high. |
20:37.21 | OluapPlayer | Roman mostly called asking to eat though |
20:38.40 | Monet | He loves his Burger Shots. |
20:39.21 | Monet | I swear the Clucking Bell staff are like the most depressed service staff on Earth. |
20:39.57 | OluapPlayer | You can't be happy if you're forced to wear a chicken hat all the time |
20:40.57 | Monet | Wear a chicken hat and serve the processed meat of a chicken that could have been mistaken for a zombie. |
20:42.38 | Monet | Being paid a wage that's borderline slave labour...good times. |
20:44.35 | OluapPlayer | I still want to go back to IV, it's a good game |
20:44.39 | OluapPlayer | Then play V after it |
20:45.22 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
20:47.09 | Monet | My favourite bit in IV was how you could go miles through the windscreen after head-on collision. |
20:53.13 | OluapPlayer | The multiplayer sounds fun yeah |
20:53.49 | DrodoEmpire | I'll join you guys once I upgrade |
20:54.02 | DrodoEmpire | Been saving to build a new computer |
20:54.34 | OluapPlayer | That being said chances are I can't run GTA V with this rig |
20:54.41 | OluapPlayer | It looks far more demanding than IV |
20:54.58 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh actually it ran surprisingly quite well on my laptop |
20:55.05 | DrodoEmpire | Which had meh stats for 2013 |
20:55.16 | OluapPlayer | Huh |
20:55.21 | OluapPlayer | I might stand a chance then |
20:55.43 | DrodoEmpire | That being said, I ran in to issues with crashing, and the fact it can't run other games I like (Attila, etc.) too well |
20:55.57 | DrodoEmpire | If your computer's good for 2013 you'll be fine |
20:57.50 | OluapPlayer | I got this PC in 2013 so |
20:57.53 | OluapPlayer | We'll have to see |
20:59.47 | Monet | So that's potentially four who can play in the evenings. |
20:59.54 | Monet | We could od heists. |
21:01.41 | Monet | Oluap's Playing Vice City and I'm watching Die Hard. It's always intrigued me how diverse the world was back then. |
21:02.28 | Monet | Everyone thought Japan would be the next economic superpower, the USSR was falling apart, the South American juntas were losing their grip, and Europe was divided in half. |
21:03.55 | Monet | Meanwhile in the US, Canada, UK and France, quality of life then wasn't too different form life now. Save for the internet being a niche thing. |
21:04.04 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
21:06.45 | Monet | For NATO and Japan it was sex, drugs and rock and roll, everywhere else it was revolutions, oppression and dictatorships. |
21:07.41 | Monet | It was quite interesting. |
21:07.51 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, true |
21:09.50 | OluapPlayer | Now everything is homogeneously bad for everyone ~equality~ |
21:10.35 | Monet | I thought things were better. |
21:11.15 | DrodoEmpire | Generally speaking the world's on an upward trend in just about everything |
21:11.22 | DrodoEmpire | But we still face lots of problems |
21:11.32 | DrodoEmpire | *everything positive, that is |
21:11.41 | OluapPlayer | only cares for the bad bits |
21:12.08 | DrodoEmpire | So do many, unfortunately >.< |
21:12.19 | The_Randomness | yeah... |
21:12.36 | Monet | It might be this generation's fixation on becoming millionares by 30: Football, celebrity, it's a generation that wants to get noticed. |
21:13.39 | Monet | That and we're slowly realising we're wrecking our planet with the second golden age of consumerism. |
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21:13.58 | Charles_Murray | https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/4ynjou/i_found_a_photo_of_of_an_angry_telegram_from/ |
21:15.30 | DrodoEmpire | I saw that earlier XD |
21:17.11 | Monet | Single factories pumping out One or two planes a day does sound rather lazy. |
21:22.32 | Monet | I agree with Drodo though. If all you hear is the bad then yeah, the world will suck. |
21:22.38 | The_Randomness | Indeed |
21:25.45 | Monet | For instance (and I'm just fishing or positive stories so pardon the localisation), unemployment rates in the UK are at a record low. |
21:26.06 | Monet | The ozone hole over Antarctica is measurably shrinking. |
21:27.58 | OluapPlayer | I did hear about that |
21:28.13 | OluapPlayer | Not news I was ever expecting to read tbh |
21:28.17 | The_Randomness | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wei8M9IuqPc |
21:28.28 | Monet | It was unexpected news, but good news nonetheless. |
21:28.32 | The_Randomness | for some various good news |
21:28.55 | Monet | I <3 John Green |
21:29.19 | The_Randomness | because gdi the world is becoming a better place whether you want to believe it or not |
21:36.24 | Monet | brb |
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21:40.21 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, though the world still has problems so we shouldn't get too too confident :p |
21:40.46 | The_Randomness | well, duh, of course there are problems |
21:40.53 | DrodoEmpire | Economy's fine, ozone's fine, solar power's getting more advanced- the world's politics are where issues are now |
21:41.05 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway |
21:42.36 | OluapPlayer | Economy is debatable |
21:42.46 | OluapPlayer | Brazil's economy has worsened in the last year |
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21:42.59 | Monet | Bak, had sound problems |
21:43.08 | DrodoEmpire | OluapPlayer: Fair enough |
21:43.16 | DrodoEmpire | More to the world beyond the USA after all >.< |
21:43.20 | Monet | I avoid Russia Today like the plague. |
21:45.03 | The_Randomness | Fair enough, but the global economy has improved |
21:46.01 | Monet | Plus don't look at numbers. |
21:46.17 | The_Randomness | What do you mean by that? |
21:46.24 | Monet | I hear Brazil's on a steady path of development. |
21:46.30 | The_Randomness | oh |
21:46.34 | Monet | I could be out of date. |
21:47.50 | Monet | My skepticism comes from people complaining "there's 4.2 million security cameras in Britain", all that tells me is there's a truckload of cameras. |
21:48.27 | The_Randomness | yeah, numbers without context don't tell you much |
21:48.45 | Monet | Doesn't tell me where they all are and it assumes they're evenly distributed - which they're not. |
21:49.27 | Monet | Also assumes they're all state-owned - they're not. The number of state-operated cameras is in the thousands, not the millions. |
21:50.02 | DrodoEmpire | So what it means is that private businesses and shops are just enthusiastic about posting cameras on their property |
21:51.25 | Monet | Exactly. |
21:51.48 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
21:53.10 | OluapPlayer | Oh man I had forgotten how you got into bikes in this game when you're directly in front of them |
21:53.17 | Monet | Single shops can ahve something like 5-10 cameras monitoring the shop floor and the outside while a high street can have one police-operated camera for the entire area. |
21:53.25 | OluapPlayer | Do a huge jump and kick whoever's driving in the goddamn face |
21:53.48 | Monet | OluapPlayer: Oh yeah that is fun to do. |
21:53.49 | DrodoEmpire | olol |
22:09.20 | Monet | Aside from SA's homage to the '92 LA riots, I think Vice City was one of the crazier instalments. |
22:11.08 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
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23:03.14 | Monet | If anyone's interested, streaming's about to start http://tinyurl.com/h978h5c |
23:44.42 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire, The_Randomness, Monet: Terrain bump map of Prasandadr + atmosphere http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/62/Prasandadr.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160820234233 |
23:44.48 | The_Randomness | ! |
23:45.06 | The_Randomness | oooh |
23:45.08 | Monet | Oooh I like |
23:45.11 | The_Randomness | this is exciting |
23:45.15 | The_Randomness | great work |
23:45.25 | Wormy_ | thanks |
23:46.40 | Wormy_ | I couldn't quite figure out how to get Raleigh scattering to work like on this one http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/f8/Super_collab_render.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160820115949 |
23:46.55 | The_Randomness | What's that? |
23:47.13 | Wormy_ | That sunset pattern near the dark side |
23:47.52 | The_Randomness | Oh, I see it now |
23:48.07 | The_Randomness | It's just that image looks a bit weird to me |
23:48.15 | The_Randomness | wasn't sure what to look for |
23:49.17 | Wormy_ | That one used the "Map to Globe" app you linked me |
23:49.31 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
23:49.52 | Wormy_ | It can be done I couldn't figure it out |
23:50.45 | Wormy_ | Also if anybody wants to make a coloured map to add the planet, please feel free to do so (I can upload the template) |
23:58.09 | The_Randomness | I've been very impressed by the way the collabverse is turning out |
23:58.56 | Wormy_ | We've managed to stick with it, which is great |