IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160820

00:00.54MonetAnd unlike humans, the gender proportios aren't 50-50. More like 75-25 or 66-33 men-to-women.
00:01.39OluapPlayerThere's more males than females?
00:01.54MonetYeah.
00:02.19OluapPlayerI see
00:02.43NeonPandaFordanta are somewhere along that line too, encourages competition
00:03.11OluapPlayerDracogonarious are pretty clearly matriarchal. Easy to tell when they are ruled by a council of females
00:03.14MonetFor draconis it's the root of why it's okay to bed your in-laws.
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00:03.31DrodoEmpireHi
00:03.34MonetHi
00:03.34Rock_From_HellHello
00:03.51DrodoEmpireI think Drodo society was as sexist as ancient human societies were- though gender roles did and do exist
00:04.17OluapPlayerDracogonarious females are more massive than males too which probably contributed to it
00:04.31DrodoEmpirei.e Warfare and security is a man's job, and when a clan conflict gets violent/a town needs to protect itself its the young men who are rallied
00:04.43MonetDraconid men occupy so many government and military positions largely because there's more of them.
00:05.09DrodoEmpireMedicine and maybe even administrative jobs are often seen as feminine though, so the roles themselves are pretty equal in respectability
00:05.31DrodoEmpireYeah makes sense
00:05.45NeonPandaFordanta are purely meritocratic, and there isn't too much by way of sexual dimorphism
00:05.47OluapPlayerI've never thought too much about it on my other races, mainly because I don't like putting things I dislike in real life into my factions
00:06.02OluapPlayerDon't like sexism so my fictions don't have sexism involved
00:06.07DrodoEmpireFair enough
00:06.17Hachimandats projectin
00:06.21NeonPandaso it really is on an individual level
00:06.31MonetI did wonder if being slightly larger could be a trait of Draconid women. But they're a species who attribute physical size to superior strength, charisma, age and wisdom.
00:06.36OluapPlayerCourse it's projecting, wiki is for escapism
00:07.05HachimanSo does this mean that Norrigan being a batshit crazy zealous asshat is how you view Christians / religious people in general hur
00:07.23OluapPlayer>Norrigan >an asshat
00:07.42OluapPlayerHe acts like he does because he's an exaggerated Solaire expy
00:07.51MonetBeing larger might be a reason for them to join the military. Which is the men's job.
00:08.07DrodoEmpireYeah
00:08.30MonetThey could have wider hips and better minds for administration. I think I've unconsciously done that.
00:08.32NeonPandaMonet: biologically speaking, the ones doing the competing are usually the larger ones
00:09.09MonetUriel's always running off to explore some far-off planet or visit a friend, leaving Alensia to preside over his administrative duties.
00:09.38OluapPlayerAlensia - that good for nothing husband of mine off to visit that midget zazane again
00:10.53MonetI wonder if she did feel slightly cold towards Tyraz. He's tiny, which makes him less of a man in her eyes, and she's a typical stuffy aristocrat.
00:12.39MonetThen again her first experience of Tyraz was as the Imperial palace was under siege by forces he helped create.
00:14.05MonetAnd when she found her husband dead on the floor, she didn't take well to Tyraz's suggestion of ressurecting Uriel as the same kind of entity that killed him.
00:16.36MonetNeonPanda: Well back in their days of bronze, women - like on earth - were prizes. Jus twith a higher risk of having your prize kick the shit out of you.
00:36.13DrodoEmpiretest
01:04.53DrodoEmpiretest
01:23.12DrodoEmpirehttps://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/4yj54u/canadian_legends_the_tragically_hip_are_playing/
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02:57.55DrodoEmpirehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqQv0OZWcAErg93.jpg:large
02:57.57DrodoEmpire<.
02:57.59DrodoEmpire*<.<
03:25.48Tek0516Charles_Murray: With some retcons I'm considering there might be some diplomatic RP opportunities for start of Roreinia's civil war. The official separation will occur after the Irenda coup instead of before. So presently there's a several day period between the Irenda coup and the Loyalist counterattack in which both sides are mobilizing but the fighting
03:25.48Tek0516has not yet broken out. And even for a time afterwards it might still remain a localized conflict before escalating to full civil war. Could try an RP with the powers trying to de-escalate the conflict in time.
03:42.06Tek0516Getting delegates there in time can be handwaved a bit, since a few days earlier there's war threats over accusations of an effective "assassination" attempt against the Opposition leader. Could have the potential diplomatic meeting originally scheduled to defused that but then the coup happens before it starts.
03:44.44Tek0516Anyone else is welcome to comment. I'm throwing ideas on an RP of mine out there and seeing what works. :P
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07:10.37ImpyDroidHi
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10:21.58Monethi
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11:52.37Wormy_hi
12:01.39MonetHi
12:03.19Wormy_Reuploaed a new terrain map for Prasandadr http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Super_collab_render.jpg
12:04.12Wormy_It was difficult to make a height map, because one would normally use noise, but I didn't want random noise everywhere it needed to fit the mountains and terrain
12:04.25Wormy_I had drawn
12:04.32Wormy_So a lot of photoshop
12:05.06MonetWas going to say one option is to hand-craft a height map
12:05.26Wormy_I would take too long imo
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12:06.03HachimanHi
12:06.04Wormy_I basically used layers with the map and layers with noise, and carefully erased around the boundaries of mountains and coasts
12:06.22Wormy_hi
12:08.23Wormy_I'll have to try and bump map it later, and add colours
12:11.16MonetThinking about it I suppose I could have helped.
12:14.05MonetWOuldn't take me too long to fashion up a bumpmap.
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12:24.57Wormy_Its very easy to make one in Maya
12:25.04GhelaeHello.
12:25.15Wormy_However I would need to fix the coastal margins and oceans
12:25.36OluapPlayerhi
12:25.59GhelaeIf you do want to make maps or globes, Monet, as far as I'm concerned you're perfectly welcome to.
12:27.29Wormy_Oh, definitely.  Its just that now I've started it, I want to finish it
12:27.56GhelaeAlso, Wormy_, that sea looks a lot bigger than I expected it to be based on the 2D maps. So are those maps supposed to be something like a Mercator projection, with the equator squashed and poles stretched?
12:28.23Wormy_Equirectangular, I think
12:28.56GhelaeHmm. Okay.
12:29.40GhelaeThat is how I imagined them to be.
12:29.51MonetI have Mudbox too.
12:32.25MonetWhich is pretty handy for things like creatures and landforms.
12:33.29Wormy_I'm not sure how to colour the terrain map in accordance to its biomes
12:34.12Wormy_Using levels and stuff like that would change shades across the entire planet
12:37.41Wormy_bbl
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13:55.54JepardiHi
13:56.47OluapPlayerhi
13:58.01GhelaeHi
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14:05.56NeonPandahi all
14:06.38GhelaeHi
14:10.01OluapPlayerhi
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14:20.56HachimanHi
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14:54.48MonetHello
14:55.20Tek0516Hello
14:58.27ImpyDroidHi
15:00.33ImpyDroidGhelae Wormy_away: Remember what you said about Rights of Earth?
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15:08.40XhoCOME ON AND SLAM AND WELCOME TO THE JAM
15:09.02OluapPlayer_spoi
15:09.31Xhoi
15:11.07XhoAre we all available for Eschaton or are we not
15:11.12XhoEither way I gotta do some stuff
15:11.15OluapPlayer_Yes
15:19.07Wormy_awayImpyDroid:  Lots of things have been sai about Rights of Earth, which?
15:20.10Wormy_awayMonet:  I feel a bit bad for not starting the maps and 3D projections with you, is there anything you'd like to do?
15:20.47Wormy_awayIts just that I've been juggling a lot of RL things with the Super Collab and wanted to get it done as fast as possible
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15:45.10MonetNo worries Wormy
15:58.46XhoHachiman ImpyDroid2: Can you do Eschaton or nah
15:59.05HachimanSuppose I can
15:59.14HachimanWhat's the next story?
15:59.51OluapPlayer_Vanguard's Amazing Adventure
15:59.56XhoStarring Pelagrios
16:00.12OluapPlayer_By that I mean fighting the Insomnolence
16:00.20HachimanAh
16:00.25HachimanDunno what characters to use
16:00.32Xhour eschaton characters dum
16:01.04HachimanEschaton characters change between stories u
16:01.14OluapPlayer_I'd not recommend changing characters again
16:01.22OluapPlayer_This is the second to last story of Eschaton
16:02.00HachimanBut the characters we used in the Neva story all went home
16:02.03HachimanOr elsewhere
16:02.16OluapPlayer_Néva story is AFTER Eschaton
16:02.20HachimanOh
16:02.22HachimanOh right
16:02.23OluapPlayer_That was set in the future
16:02.35OluapPlayer_top dingus
16:02.43HachimanI've forgotten my Eschaton characters then hur
16:02.49OluapPlayer_Jesus christ dude
16:02.58HachimanWell it's been so long
16:03.05Xhotap dangus
16:03.21OluapPlayer_Hachi, Kanna, Khadya, Hathgar and Eirik
16:03.29HachimanRight
16:03.47OluapPlayer_No Alfgund anymore cause he ded
16:04.17HachimanSo this is set after Odyssey
16:04.54OluapPlayer_Yes
16:05.01OluapPlayer_Immediately after
16:05.25OluapPlayer_Cult-centered plot -> Odyssey -> This one -> Ending -> Néva plot
16:05.25HachimanRight
16:05.37Xho"X'impe - H'ram, ximicacan!"            " Xacutus - Ooga booga to you too, CHIMP!"
16:05.43Xho10/10
16:06.04OluapPlayer_That being said, plot needs the obligatory Xacutus appearance
16:06.44OluapPlayer_So get dis started
16:07.35HachimanAlso considering Imp is on droid I doubt he can start with us
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16:20.43CyrannianHello everyone
16:21.01Technobliteratorhihi
16:23.22OluapPlayer_~throw Cyrannian
16:23.22infobotACTION winds up and throws Cyrannian over the moon.
16:23.30Cyrannian~tickle OluapPlayer_
16:23.31infobotACTION jumps on OluapPlayer_, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!"
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16:35.59OluapPlayer_Imperios: Can you rp Eschaton or no
16:36.12ImperiosI can
16:36.25OluapPlayer_Xho: link pad to Imp yo
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16:52.33DrodoEmpireHi everyone
16:53.06Tek0516Hey DrodoEmpire
16:53.12DrodoEmpireHi
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17:00.29Monet2Hi
17:00.57DrodoEmpireHi
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17:27.40MonetHi
17:28.31Monethttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37095037 so potentially a group of hackers have stolen a series of NSA-developed spyware and are holding a no-win-no-refund auction.
17:28.45Monetmalware, sorry
17:32.13DrodoEmpireOh wow lol
17:32.33MonetSounds dire but my mind's on how this auction has a policy that any bid you put down could be lost forever if you lose.
17:33.27MonetThat sounds more like extortion only the guy who forks over the most gets a malware package as a reward.
17:34.25DrodoEmpireNSA-developed malware turns out to be this http://i.imgur.com/4N2T6eq.jpg
17:36.11MonetAlthough the story also somewhat reminded me Bitcoin is a thing. I usually forget it is because it's so insanely unstable as a currency I doubt it'll become used in official channels.
17:38.16MonetActually I wonder if Bitcoin is a suitable reference as to why the gold standard isn't worthwhile anymore.
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17:38.34Luxoray
17:38.36DrodoEmpireCharles_Murray !?
17:38.38DrodoEmpire*?
17:38.42DrodoEmpireHi
17:38.49Charles_Murray?
17:39.05DrodoEmpireMonet's question, figured you could weigh in
17:39.13DrodoEmpireOr be otherwise interested
17:39.56Charles_MurrayWell, he'd have to expand on what he means
17:40.42MonetAs an analogy.
17:40.51Charles_MurrayRight, but what aspects of it
17:42.20MonetThe main arguments I've seen against quantitative easing or fiat currency is "they create money out of thin air", which makes them vulnerable to hyperinflation via over-printing. Bitcoins are produced at a limited rate. They can't be produced instantly like fiat currency.
17:42.34LuxorThere
17:42.45LuxorThere's a fixed amount of Bitcoins.**
17:42.51Luxorah, stupid keyboard.
17:42.59MonetRight, yeah.
17:43.25MonetYou can "mine" it, but that takes time and a strong internet connection.
17:44.09MonetThe amount of bitcoins floating around has a finite limit, much like the amount of gold that can be in circulation.
17:44.28Luxorassuming we only can use gold from Earth.**
17:44.52DrodoEmpireWhich is a safe assumption for at least another fifty or a hundred years
17:44.53DrodoEmpire:p
17:45.10LuxorNah, useless metal.
17:45.15LuxorNice colour doe.
17:45.25MonetOh it's far from useless.
17:45.32DrodoEmpireActually its a great conductor and is rare, so it therefore has value
17:45.42DrodoEmpireIt also doesn't decay like other metals so it doesn't lose value
17:45.53DrodoEmpireThat's like saying money is "useless paper"
17:45.57Luxorit is
17:46.02DrodoEmpireIt isn't
17:46.09Luxornah, kidding.
17:46.10DrodoEmpireIts a medium of exchange
17:46.10MonetThe thing is Bitcoin's value is notoriously unstable http://blog.cex.io/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/market-price.png
17:46.14Luxorproceed with discussion.
17:46.18Charles_Murray"The main arguments I've seen against quantitative easing or fiat currency is "they create money out of thin air", which makes them vulnerable to hyperinflation via over-printing. Bitcoins are produced at a limited rate. They can't be produced instantly like fiat currency." - Hnng
17:46.55LuxorA great example is hyperinflation in Germoney in 1920's
17:47.18Charles_MurrayYou can print money under the gold standard as well
17:47.18MonetLuxor: The Weimar Republic acted irresponsible.
17:47.45LuxorYes, though that was a result of war reparations
17:47.56LuxorThough German economy was trash by then.
17:48.06Charles_MurrayFiat money is backed by the economies that use it; it is an assurance that somewhere in the world you can exchange that piece of paper for a commodity or good worth however much it says on the tin
17:48.52MonetTHat summary of Fiat money is why I don't see Bitcoin as a thing that could replace the US dollar internationally - it's too unstable.
17:49.03DrodoEmpireI'm a libertarian myself, but yeah the whole argument against fiat that amounts basically to "muh state control" is dumb
17:49.17DrodoEmpireAs an aside
17:50.07Charles_MurrayWell, keep in mind that whether you're a libertarian or not, the money supply is the purview of central banks
17:50.13LuxorCompletely item-dependent currencies aren't a good alternative neither
17:50.48MonetFiat currencies are kept stable through trust. For instance, despite being one of the largest economies in the world, hardly anyone uses the Chinese Yuan except for China itself.
17:50.51DrodoEmpireCharles_Murray: Yeah exactl
17:50.52DrodoEmpire*y
17:50.57DrodoEmpireIt doesn't *really* matter
17:51.06LuxorBasing currency values using gold over a century ago resulted in awkward situations.
17:51.47Charles_MurrayMonet : Actually the Chinese Yuan was one of the currencies to which money fled when Brexit happen.
17:51.53Charles_MurrayHappened*
17:51.55Charles_MurrayAgain.
17:51.55Charles_MurrayIt's
17:51.57Charles_MurrayMore
17:52.00Charles_MurrayComplicated
17:52.35MonetI wasn't aware that happened.
17:53.42LuxorWhat led to this discussion?
17:53.46MonetIt does feel strange how much a situation that hasn't happened yet is driving an economic event.
17:54.35MonetActually I just remembered another hurdle Bitcoin has that gives the currency trust issues: Its reputation on the black market.
17:56.04MonetLuxor: I got thinking again by reading this article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37095037 . The hackers were to hold an auction using bitcoins.
17:56.32Luxorwoah.
17:56.34Wormy_I'm having a bit of trouble in Photoshop, I want to make the ocean smooth and appear lower than the continents.  But using the bucket tool either colours too much or too little.  And I'm not doing much better with the wand tool to select the continents
17:57.01Wormy_On the other hand the latter would be useful in moving them closer together if we want to reduce the gap of the sea
17:57.01MonetAnd said they may release the code for free if total bids surpass 1m bitcoins (or £485m, £485 per coin)
17:57.29Wormy_Maybe I should just draw around the continents?
17:57.34Wormy_and cut them out
17:57.47Luxortry out options, check which looks best
17:57.52MonetWormy: If you're struggling with the wand tool it might be worthwhile to use the lasso tool.
17:58.32Wormy_I'll give that a go, thanks
17:58.47Wormy_bbl again
17:59.06MonetYou can draw around the continents (shift I think, allowing you to draw multiple areas), invert selection and then you can freely paint inside the selected zone.
18:00.04DrodoEmpireAlright everyone
18:00.06Wormy_Or I could create layers out of cut-out continents and stick them on a blank background
18:00.17DrodoEmpireI'ma start an Ironman mode game on EUIV, starting in 1444
18:00.29DrodoEmpireWhat country should I play and no really fucking stupid countries please
18:00.37DrodoEmpire<.<
18:01.14LuxorUlm
18:01.21Luxorform germany
18:01.23DrodoEmpireNo >.<
18:01.28Luxor...Navarra
18:01.29DrodoEmpireNo HRE pls
18:01.35Luxorthat's a challenge
18:01.39Luxoror Theodoro
18:01.40MonetPeru?
18:01.44DrodoEmpireNo really dumb countries
18:01.50LuxorTabarestan
18:01.53MonetBrazil.
18:01.54DrodoEmpirePeru doesn't exist in 1444, but I could play Cusco
18:02.00LuxorBrazil does neither Monet
18:02.01DrodoEmpireNor does Brazil >.<
18:02.04MonetOh nvm Brazil then
18:02.08LuxorNovogrod maybe?
18:02.09MonetPortugal?
18:02.11LuxorOr Norway
18:02.15DrodoEmpirePortugal might be cool
18:02.23LuxorPortugal is colony cancer
18:02.30DrodoEmpireI like colonising
18:02.33DrodoEmpire<.<
18:02.50Monet<PROTECTED>
18:02.58LuxorI'm currently playing as Russia trying to defend from Persians and Ottos
18:03.01Charles_MurrayDrodoEmpire France
18:03.04DrodoEmpireOh wow
18:03.04Luxorhue
18:03.12DrodoEmpireEw France
18:03.16LuxorFrance...?
18:03.18Charles_Murrayyey France
18:03.19DrodoEmpireI want a challenge <.<
18:03.20MonetWOuldn't playing France count as "no stupid countries?"
18:03.22LuxorYou never played eu4 did you
18:03.37MonetLuxor: France is ez mode.
18:03.39Charles_MurrayLux, I have 400 hours on it
18:03.43LuxorFrance is super ez mode.
18:03.49Charles_MurrayI know
18:03.54DrodoEmpirekk, so its Portugal or Cusco
18:03.59DrodoEmpirecoin flip
18:04.01LuxorTry Portos.
18:04.23MonetFlood the world in a tide of hue.
18:04.28DrodoEmpirelivestreamed, extreme eu4 gambling on eu4orkoveryourcash.scam
18:04.31Luxor*huehue intensifies*
18:05.09LuxorIf you want a real challenge, play Circassia and become Emperor.
18:05.33Luxoror Delhi, same goal.
18:05.43DrodoEmpirekk, if I land on the Bluenose on this dime I'll play Portugal (of course), heads Cusco
18:05.43Tek0516Charles_Murray: Did you see my diplo RP idea from last night?
18:05.57DrodoEmpireAlright, Cusco it is
18:06.00MonetPlay Delhi, kick out the Bongs.
18:06.03DrodoEmpireForm and westernise Inca
18:06.04Luxorkek
18:06.23Luxorand drive out spanish and portos
18:06.27DrodoEmpire^
18:06.54Luxorin my Russia save Pope has a colony in Colombia
18:07.06Charles_MurrayTek0516 : I did, I'd be up for it
18:08.17Monet<PROTECTED>
18:08.59LuxorDanish USA declared independence
18:09.09Luxormost awkward play ever
18:12.04Imperios>Russia
18:12.07Imperios>Pope
18:12.14Imperios<ABSOLUTELY UNORTHODOX>
18:13.01LuxorU see ivan, when colonize like pope, you get more monnies.
18:18.05Charles_MurrayTek0516 : Let me know how you want to organize it, and what you want me to do
18:25.17ImperiosLuxor: We just need to make them Russian
18:25.25ImperiosSo that they will become Russian minorities
18:25.27ImperiosOPPRESSED
18:25.28ImperiosRUSSIAN
18:25.29ImperiosMINORITIES
18:27.43Charles_MurrayFrance is fun to play in MP
18:27.52Charles_MurrayBecause you have the entirety of Europe against you
18:28.02Charles_MurrayAnd at that point it's fair
18:28.29DrodoEmpireEh yeah
18:29.21MonetFrance in MP: It's like the Napoleonic Wars only it lasts for over 400 years.
18:29.37Charles_MurrayWell tbf
18:29.43Charles_MurrayIt always was France vs. Europe
18:29.50Charles_MurrayAnd France tended to always win
18:30.02Charles_MurrayUntil 1812
18:30.22Tek0516Don't forget that even a millenium before France annexed most of Italy and Germany. ;)
18:30.33MonetFrance's OP status I guess helped ensure the HRE did not take over all of Europe.
18:30.48Charles_MurrayFrance was the HRE lol
18:30.56LuxorThat was Francia to be precise
18:31.01Charles_MurrayThen it #Frexit
18:31.08Luxorhue
18:31.08MonetWait what?
18:31.11XhoCharles_Murray: Until 1812, when Tchaikovsky released his Overture and bitchslapped all of Europe to the tune of E♭ major
18:31.20Tek0516>.>
18:31.21Charles_MurrayXho : I love that piece
18:31.22Luxor:D
18:31.37Charles_MurrayMonet : Yeah, France founded the thing
18:32.00Luxorso technically France was the reason of Commonwealth's collapse
18:32.10Luxorwhat goes back to Charlemagne,
18:32.16MonetCharlemagne was a Frank wasn't he?
18:32.23Charles_MurrayYeah
18:32.26Luxoryus
18:32.28Tek0516Well more specifically, didn't the HRE basically collapse then the German part of the Karlungs recreated it?
18:32.33MonetOf course, now I understand.
18:32.55Luxor...there was no HRE before Francia's 'separation'
18:33.16LuxorPartition to 3 parts
18:33.25Luxorwhich further formed Germoney, France, Italy.
18:33.50Tek0516Not quite.
18:33.53Luxorby that time Germany was populated by saxons and normans as far as I know
18:35.33Tek0516Unless I'm mistaken the Charlemagne's empire broken apart, then eventually merged into France in the west and the HRE (Germany and north Italy) in the east.
18:35.41Luxor&
18:35.44Luxor^**
18:35.50Luxoryes.
18:37.34MonetSo France was the first HRE, it broke apart and existed as an eternal rival to the German successor.
18:38.10Charles_Murrayhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francia
18:38.40LuxorI'll use that map for my EUIV custom scenario.
18:38.48LuxorAustrasia...
18:38.51Luxorintruiging.
18:39.27LuxorAny ideas for Italian nations?
18:39.49LuxorI've got Baltic and West in my head already, but I still need to work on Mediterranean
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19:52.45The_RandomnessHello
20:05.43MonetIn other tech news, Uber is on course for rolling out driverless cars.
20:05.55The_Randomness:o
20:08.26MonetI might consider Uber once they bring out cars that have no driver.
20:11.13MonetRight now I'd prefer cabbies who have had a thorough background check and proper orienteering sessions.
20:15.06Imperiosmememeememememememememememememe
20:18.18MonetImperios: You sure you want to be be a cabbie?
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20:19.52MonetHi
20:20.00OluapPlayerBah Xho's gone
20:20.01OluapPlayerHi
20:20.20MonetImperios: You could be the Korean Mohinder Suresh - professor by day, cabbie by night.
20:21.07OluapPlayerGTA III has way too many fucking timed missions and it's getting on my nerves
20:21.16OluapPlayerVice City and San Andreas don't got that crap
20:22.11Monet<PROTECTED>
20:22.44OluapPlayerSo was I but I got III + VC + SA as a gift and I had never played III before so I went for it first
20:23.03OluapPlayerIII has too many timed missions, some of them don't even make sense to be timed
20:23.23OluapPlayer"Get these 3 cars for me, btw YOU ONLY HAVE 5 MINUTES"
20:24.10MonetI was completely oblivious as to what a gimp was back then. I took SA's gimp suit, the jetpack and pretended I was a kung-fu superhero.
20:24.17OluapPlayerlel
20:24.32OluapPlayerRed flag #1 = it's a fetch quest. Red flag #2 = it's a timed fetch quest
20:25.15OluapPlayerEach car is at a different point of the city and you only have 5 minutes to get all 3 of them to a garage, and they can't be delivered if they're damaged
20:25.19MonetI don't remember many timed quests in III. Then again it's been ages.
20:25.29OluapPlayerI failed the mission while delivering the third car
20:25.33OluapPlayerI WAS LEAVING THE GARAGE
20:25.37OluapPlayerAND TIME RAN OUT
20:25.46MonetOuch...
20:25.52OluapPlayerI'm currently 200% salt
20:27.16OluapPlayerThe following attempts were me crashing into people and destroying the cars in frustration
20:27.49OluapPlayerI might skip this game altogether and just move on to Vice City. At least I've played that one before and I know it's great
20:29.12MonetYou don't need to play them sequentially, fortunately.
20:29.33OluapPlayerYeah
20:29.44MonetIII is 2000-whatever, VC is 1984, SA is 1992.
20:29.50OluapPlayerI palyed San Andreas first but Vice City was the only game I played all the way to completion
20:30.00Monetor was VC 1983?
20:30.05OluapPlayerMostly because SA is goddamn long
20:30.39OluapPlayerVC takes place in 1986
20:30.48Monet'86, right.
20:31.05MonetWhenever I think of that game these days I remember Scarface.
20:31.26OluapPlayerIt's heavily inspired by Scarface yeah
20:32.33Monethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-QD_HIfjA play this when you're doing something heavy.
20:32.49MonetOr during the Finale.
20:33.35OluapPlayerAlso I swear cars in this game feel like they're made of toilet paper
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20:34.01OluapPlayerJust a few bumps and smoke starts coming out. About 3 seconds of Uzi fire and they explode
20:34.13MonetDon't worry, in IV you'd swear you're driving a boat so it balances out.
20:34.35OluapPlayerI've played IV and the cars handled well there
20:34.51OluapPlayerLost my save (and the game) when the PC got wiped out though
20:36.10Monet"HEY NIKO COUSIN IT'S ROMAN, LET'S GO BOWLING"
20:36.15The_Randomnessheh
20:36.53MonetBest bit was when Roman calls you as you're flying a helicopter with Little Jacob handling an RPG in the back.
20:37.06OluapPlayerI didn't get that far
20:37.18MonetActually when I listen to Push It To The Limit I have this mental image of Tommy Vercetti burying his face in a mound of coke six inches high.
20:37.21OluapPlayerRoman mostly called asking to eat though
20:38.40MonetHe loves his Burger Shots.
20:39.21MonetI swear the Clucking Bell staff are like the most depressed service staff on Earth.
20:39.57OluapPlayerYou can't be happy if you're forced to wear a chicken hat all the time
20:40.57MonetWear a chicken hat and serve the processed meat of a chicken that could have been mistaken for a zombie.
20:42.38MonetBeing paid a wage that's borderline slave labour...good times.
20:44.35OluapPlayerI still want to go back to IV, it's a good game
20:44.39OluapPlayerThen play V after it
20:45.22Monet<PROTECTED>
20:47.09MonetMy favourite bit in IV was how you could go miles through the windscreen after head-on collision.
20:53.13OluapPlayerThe multiplayer sounds fun yeah
20:53.49DrodoEmpireI'll join you guys once I upgrade
20:54.02DrodoEmpireBeen saving to build a new computer
20:54.34OluapPlayerThat being said chances are I can't run GTA V with this rig
20:54.41OluapPlayerIt looks far more demanding than IV
20:54.58DrodoEmpireEhh actually it ran surprisingly quite well on my laptop
20:55.05DrodoEmpireWhich had meh stats for 2013
20:55.16OluapPlayerHuh
20:55.21OluapPlayerI might stand a chance then
20:55.43DrodoEmpireThat being said, I ran in to issues with crashing, and the fact it can't run other games I like (Attila, etc.) too well
20:55.57DrodoEmpireIf your computer's good for 2013 you'll be fine
20:57.50OluapPlayerI got this PC in 2013 so
20:57.53OluapPlayerWe'll have to see
20:59.47MonetSo that's potentially four who can play in the evenings.
20:59.54MonetWe could od heists.
21:01.41MonetOluap's Playing Vice City and I'm watching Die Hard. It's always intrigued me how diverse the world was back then.
21:02.28MonetEveryone thought Japan would be the next economic superpower, the USSR was falling apart, the South American juntas were losing their grip, and Europe was divided in half.
21:03.55MonetMeanwhile in the US, Canada, UK and France, quality of life then wasn't too different form life now. Save for the internet being a niche thing.
21:04.04DrodoEmpire^
21:06.45MonetFor NATO and Japan it was sex, drugs and rock and roll, everywhere else it was revolutions, oppression and dictatorships.
21:07.41MonetIt was quite interesting.
21:07.51DrodoEmpireYeah, true
21:09.50OluapPlayerNow everything is homogeneously bad for everyone ~equality~
21:10.35MonetI thought things were better.
21:11.15DrodoEmpireGenerally speaking the world's on an upward trend in just about everything
21:11.22DrodoEmpireBut we still face lots of problems
21:11.32DrodoEmpire*everything positive, that is
21:11.41OluapPlayeronly cares for the bad bits
21:12.08DrodoEmpireSo do many, unfortunately >.<
21:12.19The_Randomnessyeah...
21:12.36MonetIt might be this generation's fixation on becoming millionares by 30: Football, celebrity, it's a generation that wants to get noticed.
21:13.39MonetThat and we're slowly realising we're wrecking our planet with the second golden age of consumerism.
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21:13.58Charles_Murrayhttps://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/4ynjou/i_found_a_photo_of_of_an_angry_telegram_from/
21:15.30DrodoEmpireI saw that earlier XD
21:17.11MonetSingle factories pumping out One or two planes a day does sound rather lazy.
21:22.32MonetI agree with Drodo though. If all you hear is the bad then yeah, the world will suck.
21:22.38The_RandomnessIndeed
21:25.45MonetFor instance (and I'm just fishing or positive stories so pardon the localisation), unemployment rates in the UK are at a record low.
21:26.06MonetThe ozone hole over Antarctica is measurably shrinking.
21:27.58OluapPlayerI did hear about that
21:28.13OluapPlayerNot news I was ever expecting to read tbh
21:28.17The_Randomnesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wei8M9IuqPc
21:28.28MonetIt was unexpected news, but good news nonetheless.
21:28.32The_Randomnessfor some various good news
21:28.55MonetI <3 John Green
21:29.19The_Randomnessbecause gdi the world is becoming a better place whether you want to believe it or not
21:36.24Monetbrb
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21:40.21DrodoEmpireYeah, though the world still has problems so we shouldn't get too too confident :p
21:40.46The_Randomnesswell, duh, of course there are problems
21:40.53DrodoEmpireEconomy's fine, ozone's fine, solar power's getting more advanced- the world's politics are where issues are now
21:41.05DrodoEmpireAnyway
21:42.36OluapPlayerEconomy is debatable
21:42.46OluapPlayerBrazil's economy has worsened in the last year
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21:42.59MonetBak, had sound problems
21:43.08DrodoEmpireOluapPlayer: Fair enough
21:43.16DrodoEmpireMore to the world beyond the USA after all >.<
21:43.20MonetI avoid Russia Today like the plague.
21:45.03The_RandomnessFair enough, but the global economy has improved
21:46.01MonetPlus don't look at numbers.
21:46.17The_RandomnessWhat do you mean by that?
21:46.24MonetI hear Brazil's on a steady path of development.
21:46.30The_Randomnessoh
21:46.34MonetI could be out of date.
21:47.50MonetMy skepticism comes from people complaining "there's 4.2 million security cameras in Britain", all that tells me is there's a truckload of cameras.
21:48.27The_Randomnessyeah, numbers without context don't tell you much
21:48.45MonetDoesn't tell me where they all are and it assumes they're evenly distributed - which they're not.
21:49.27MonetAlso assumes they're all state-owned - they're not. The number of state-operated cameras is in the thousands, not the millions.
21:50.02DrodoEmpireSo what it means is that private businesses and shops are just enthusiastic about posting cameras on their property
21:51.25MonetExactly.
21:51.48DrodoEmpireRight
21:53.10OluapPlayerOh man I had forgotten how you got into bikes in this game when you're directly in front of them
21:53.17MonetSingle shops can ahve something like 5-10 cameras monitoring the shop floor and the outside while a high street can have one police-operated camera for the entire area.
21:53.25OluapPlayerDo a huge jump and kick whoever's driving in the goddamn face
21:53.48MonetOluapPlayer: Oh yeah that is fun to do.
21:53.49DrodoEmpireolol
22:09.20MonetAside from SA's homage to the '92 LA riots, I think Vice City was one of the crazier instalments.
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23:03.14MonetIf anyone's interested, streaming's about to start http://tinyurl.com/h978h5c
23:44.42Wormy_DrodoEmpire, The_Randomness, Monet:  Terrain bump map of Prasandadr + atmosphere http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/62/Prasandadr.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160820234233
23:44.48The_Randomness!
23:45.06The_Randomnessoooh
23:45.08MonetOooh I like
23:45.11The_Randomnessthis is exciting
23:45.15The_Randomnessgreat work
23:45.25Wormy_thanks
23:46.40Wormy_I couldn't quite figure out how to get Raleigh scattering to work like on this one http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/f8/Super_collab_render.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160820115949
23:46.55The_RandomnessWhat's that?
23:47.13Wormy_That sunset pattern near the dark side
23:47.52The_RandomnessOh, I see it now
23:48.07The_RandomnessIt's just that image looks a bit weird to me
23:48.15The_Randomnesswasn't sure what to look for
23:49.17Wormy_That one used the "Map to Globe" app you linked me
23:49.31Wormy_<PROTECTED>
23:49.52Wormy_It can be done I couldn't figure it out
23:50.45Wormy_Also if anybody wants to make a coloured map to add the planet, please feel free to do so (I can upload the template)
23:58.09The_RandomnessI've been very impressed by the way the collabverse is turning out
23:58.56Wormy_We've managed to stick with it, which is great

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