00:08.31 | Charles_Bot | "Gulf states have set quotas for the employment of nationals, but many companies complain that local graduates lack the skills and work ethic required. âI know of firms that pay Saudis to satisfy the law, but tell them to stay at home,â says one businessman. Under its 30-year-old deputy crown prince, Muhammad bin Salman, Saudi Arabia is planning an |
00:08.31 | Charles_Bot | ambitious transformation, led by the private sector, to diversify away from oil. But it will be a tall order to train Saudi Arabiaâs pampered young men to work for a living." |
00:08.35 | Charles_Bot | Oh my |
00:09.04 | MrRankings11 | Its called the Dannie empire |
00:13.57 | Monet | Charles_Bot: It's good intentions. But yeah SA's got a bit of a cultural shift to perform. |
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00:16.06 | MrRankings11 | Sorry the thing |
00:16.15 | MrRankings11 | logged me out |
00:16.42 | MrRankings11 | Cuz it crashed |
00:19.00 | Monet | You didn't need to post three lines to say that. |
00:22.42 | MrRankings11 | To l8 |
00:24.22 | Monet | Posting very short sentences over multiple lines can be an easy way to irritate people on here |
00:26.16 | MrRankings11 | Ok |
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01:31.37 | MrRajkings11 | Hi |
01:38.11 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
01:41.40 | MrRajkings11 | So did you check it out? |
01:46.01 | Tek0516 | Charles_Bot DrodoEmpire: ...you know your Paradox game is going badly when Ecuador is winning against you in a war. >.< |
01:46.16 | DrodoEmpire | ololol |
01:46.25 | DrodoEmpire | Can you link it, MrRankings? |
01:51.37 | DrodoEmpire | ? |
01:55.37 | MrRajkings11 | Ok |
01:57.08 | MrRajkings11 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Dannie_Empire |
02:05.50 | DrodoEmpire | I think first thing should be to format it correctly |
02:05.52 | DrodoEmpire | No offense |
02:06.20 | MrRajkings11 | OK |
02:06.53 | MrRajkings11 | How do I format it correctly |
02:07.34 | DrodoEmpire | Look at some other pages in the source editor to give you an idea |
02:08.08 | DrodoEmpire | Put "==" to either side of a word or sentence to make it a proper header |
02:08.35 | DrodoEmpire | Extra equals signs to either side makes smaller and smaller subheaders |
02:09.12 | DrodoEmpire | So instead of "--history--",it should be "==History==" in the ediotr |
02:09.14 | DrodoEmpire | *editor |
02:12.02 | MrRajkings11 | Thanks |
02:12.36 | MrRajkings11 | That was one of the main things I was confused about |
02:18.08 | MrRajkings11 | OK any thing else I need to work on? |
02:25.12 | DrodoEmpire | Plenty, but, one thing at a time |
02:33.19 | Wormy_ | On it like a car bonnet! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-36986089 |
02:34.19 | DrodoEmpire | Jeez |
02:35.00 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#.E2.80.A2LIVE:_Silvan_Raids_Intensify_on_New_Aratacia - Also, updates here |
02:35.07 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_ you may be interested |
02:38.11 | MrRajkings11 | I am |
02:39.09 | Wormy_ | replied |
02:39.16 | Wormy_ | not much, is late |
02:39.41 | Wormy_ | But the DCP method would be go in full force and cause a bloodbath |
02:39.54 | DrodoEmpire | Right >.< |
02:39.55 | Wormy_ | 'night |
02:39.58 | DrodoEmpire | Night! |
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02:47.30 | Tek0516 | I'm still in disbelief about that HoI4 game. They were be outnumbered to be 5:1 and everything would be over by the two month deadline. Six months later we're evenly matched and I've been forced out of my northern territory. >.< |
02:55.18 | MrRankings11 | Uh what are you talking about? |
03:09.57 | DrodoEmpire | HoI4 dum dum <.< |
03:10.05 | DrodoEmpire | Ah poo he's gone |
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11:05.22 | Monet | hi |
11:08.43 | Hachiman | Hello |
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11:15.51 | Ghelae | Hello. |
11:17.50 | Monet | hi |
11:20.19 | Ghelae | Super-collab progress: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Assan |
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11:38.37 | Monet | Would the plural of Shaman be Shamen? |
11:41.23 | Monet | Ghelae: I like the idea of their torsos (and other places) are capable of colour change. |
11:42.12 | Ghelae | That was Random's idea. He wanted expressionless faces, and ended up with aliens that need to go topless to show their emotions. |
11:42.42 | Monet | I guess clothing designed to obscure these parts of the body is treated like an attempt to hide how you're feeling. |
11:43.13 | Ghelae | A comment he made on the titanpad: "this may have some implications in cold climates, i.e. they may make extensive use of hand gestures and such to compensate for this." |
11:43.31 | Ghelae | And no, the plural of shaman is not shamen. |
11:44.39 | Monet | Right. |
11:46.10 | Monet | I can see cultural clashes between the groups who express with their chromatophoric scales and groups who communicate with hand gesures. |
11:48.50 | Monet | Without the proper knowledge, southern cultures could view northerners as deceptive or shifty for hiding their feelings under clothes. |
11:52.50 | Ghelae | Sounds reasonable. |
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12:48.32 | Treebeard | Hello |
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12:49.00 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
12:49.09 | Monet | Hello |
12:49.25 | Wormy_ | Monet: You were talking on your livestream about what aesthetics might take over the Ipod trope in the next two decades. Well there's 3D printing, which is creating designs for clothing and so-on which look like membranes and shells |
12:49.27 | Wormy_ | hi |
12:50.01 | Wormy_ | Check this out http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36905314 |
12:50.05 | Monet | I remember one popular architectural phase atm is/was "blobchitecture" |
12:50.47 | Wormy_ | I imagine biotechnology and synthetic biology could also shape he future of technology in the next few decades |
12:52.08 | Monet | Maybe. |
12:52.20 | Monet | This could end up being some Milan exhibition. |
13:00.19 | Imperios | Monet: "Shamans" |
13:00.34 | Monet | Ghelae corrected me. I was curious |
13:00.43 | Imperios | A "shaman" is not a "man" who does... sha-related things |
13:01.02 | Imperios | It comes from some North Asian language I believe |
13:01.12 | Imperios | Evenki if I am not mistakebn |
13:01.14 | Imperios | *mistaken |
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13:22.32 | Charles_Bot | Welp |
13:22.59 | Charles_Bot | One of the newsletters we sent out over the weekend was titled "Protecting our Wild Horses" |
13:23.05 | Charles_Bot | I'm scared to open it |
13:23.09 | Charles_Bot | Rip democracy |
13:23.34 | Charles_Bot | I'm even more scared to open the responses |
13:24.59 | OluapPlayer | Why? |
13:25.10 | OluapPlayer | What's wrong with protecting wild horses? |
13:26.44 | Charles_Bot | It's one of the things we get the most calls about, usually from grannies who have nothing better to do with their time xD |
13:27.09 | Charles_Bot | (There are next to no wild horses in Colorado) |
13:28.01 | Wormy_ | I don't like horses |
13:28.04 | Hachiman | Charles doesn't like big horse dong |
13:28.15 | OluapPlayer | I don't like horses either but |
13:28.17 | Monet | The only true wild horses are in central Asia. Every other 'wild' breed either escaped from or released form domestication ages ago. |
13:28.17 | OluapPlayer | Hold on |
13:28.29 | OluapPlayer | Yeah these are FERAL horses, aren't they? |
13:28.34 | Monet | Yeah |
13:28.56 | OluapPlayer | Thought so. I know there is one species of true wild horse in the world but they're not american |
13:28.57 | Charles_Bot | Just says "wild" |
13:29.17 | OluapPlayer | Feral horse = domestic horse living in nature |
13:29.34 | Hachiman | Yeah feral and wild are two different things |
13:29.42 | Hachiman | But often get intermixed |
13:29.56 | Monet | This Asian breed is the only breed that is truly a wild animal. |
13:30.27 | OluapPlayer | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przewalski%27s_horse this one |
13:30.32 | OluapPlayer | I know them from Zoo Tycoon hur |
13:30.43 | Imperios | Oooh the Przewalskis |
13:31.17 | Imperios | Easily the weirdest name for a horse breed ever |
13:31.25 | OluapPlayer | >Most "wild" horses today, such as the American Mustang or the Australian Brumby, are actually feral horses descended from domesticated animals that escaped and adapted to life in the wild. In contrast, Przewalski's horse has never been domesticated and remains the only truly wild horse in the world today. |
13:31.28 | OluapPlayer | In short, americans are dumb |
13:32.00 | Monet | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Mustang_Utah_2005_2.jpg this is what "protect the wild horses" trusts usually conjure images of. |
13:32.08 | Imperios | So like the dingo or something |
13:32.46 | OluapPlayer | Kind of |
13:33.06 | OluapPlayer | Przewalski's horse is to normal horses what the african wild dog is to the normal dog |
13:33.45 | Charles_Bot | Yeah |
13:33.52 | Charles_Bot | So my point stands |
13:34.07 | Charles_Bot | "Save the wild horses" makes no sense |
13:34.50 | OluapPlayer | Overall it doesn't much. They're just normal horses except no one's taking care of them |
13:35.40 | OluapPlayer | The fact there are enough wild horses that need saving is the problem |
13:35.52 | Monet | The image of the native American Brave on horseback didn't exist until after Europeans arrived and started selling things. the horse-riding brave is a common misconception unfortunately. |
13:36.00 | OluapPlayer | That implies they've been abandoning a lot of horses |
13:37.28 | Monet | OluapPlayer: A lot of these wild horse herds emerged during the 18th and 19th century when Europeans expanded across the frontier. |
13:37.42 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
13:37.48 | OluapPlayer | Might explain the large population |
13:38.05 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Well, yes, you're right, but these native nations actually *got* horses well before contact with Europeans |
13:38.48 | DrodoEmpire | Because of feral horses going westward first, and being eagerly adopted by native people |
13:40.38 | Monet | Right. |
13:40.45 | OluapPlayer | horses don't need savin they need explodin |
13:40.47 | OluapPlayer | remove neigh |
13:41.06 | Monet | You don't want to see an exploding horse... |
13:41.23 | OluapPlayer | At close range it'd probably be a bad experience |
13:42.12 | Monet | Would probably scar you as we're talking 5-700kg of meat (depending on the breed) going boom. |
13:42.15 | Hachiman | I mean |
13:42.19 | Hachiman | Exploding whales are worse |
13:42.48 | OluapPlayer | Sure but horses are also fatties |
13:42.58 | OluapPlayer | You'd get crushed under the weight of flying horse meat |
13:43.29 | OluapPlayer | flying horse meat sounds like something out of Dwarf Fortress |
13:43.47 | Monet | Well maybe not crushed, injured probably, but the point is there'd be a lot of meat that goes flying. |
13:44.07 | Monet | The health hazard depends on the size of the chunk. |
13:44.14 | OluapPlayer | [The flying horse meat hits the human in head and the injured part is crushed!] |
13:44.49 | Monet | Horses are fatties because they have massive pectoral and thigh muscles and huge lungs. |
13:46.37 | Monet | But back to the first topic yeah, I imagine this "protect the wild horses" idea is more to protect a heart-warming or nostalgic scene than out of concern certain breeds are becoming endangered. |
13:47.37 | Hachiman | Horses are awful creature |
13:47.44 | Hachiman | creatures |
13:47.47 | Hachiman | I've never met a pleasant horse |
13:48.21 | Monet | They're ridiculously skittish. And can be a pain to handle, but they can also be quite trusting animals. |
13:48.52 | OluapPlayer | Reminds me, DF actually has wild domesticated horses. Might've been inspired by these feral horses |
13:49.03 | Hachiman | The only horses I've ever ridden were either aggressive or fart far too often and shit everywhere |
13:49.33 | Monet | The farting and shitting is a typical herbivore problem. |
13:49.42 | OluapPlayer | Of course if you don't cage and tame these feral horses, your dwarves are gonna hunt them for food like any other creature |
13:49.52 | OluapPlayer | And they do in fact give a lot of meat |
13:50.43 | OluapPlayer | DF measures size by weight. The heavier the animal, the more meat and bones it gives. And DF adult horses weight 500 kg |
13:50.59 | Monet | The last bit sounds about right |
13:51.11 | Monet | A big draft horse can weigh up to or over a tonne. |
13:54.22 | Monet | Take Sampson https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/7b/86/f7/7b86f7503922955e184f119f25140a12.jpg |
13:54.37 | OluapPlayer | big neigh |
13:55.01 | Monet | This titan of a horse was 2.19cm tall and weighted in at about 1.5 tonnes. |
13:56.05 | Monet | He is so far the largest horse in history. |
13:57.17 | OluapPlayer | Not a lot of stuff in DF is heavier than a ton. 1.5 is the weight of a hippo or a walrus |
13:57.27 | OluapPlayer | I also forgot to mention heavier = stronger in combat |
13:58.13 | Monet | Makes sense |
13:58.44 | OluapPlayer | Dwarves weight 60 kg. Put that vs a 1.5 ton hippo |
13:58.55 | OluapPlayer | Only way the dwarf is, is through combat training |
13:59.18 | Monet | My money's on the hippo biting the dorf in half |
14:00.11 | OluapPlayer | A 1.5 ton hippo. Or a 3 ton rhinoceros. Or a 9 ton Giant. Or a 25 ton Dragon |
14:01.22 | Monet | I guess for any sucker who signed up for the army would be glad to know that horses like Sampson weren't usually used in combat. |
14:01.33 | OluapPlayer | Granted dragons in DF take 1000 years to reach their max size |
14:01.52 | OluapPlayer | Baby dragons only weight 6 kg |
14:01.58 | Monet | Draft/heavy horses tend to be quite docile and slow for their strength. |
14:03.04 | Monet | Oh yeah and big horses are also big eaters. |
14:03.21 | OluapPlayer | Actually that's a reason people don' domesticate elephants in DF |
14:03.29 | OluapPlayer | They need so much food they starve to death |
14:03.35 | OluapPlayer | because of how big they are |
14:04.06 | OluapPlayer | Realism getting in the way of gameplay in that particular case |
14:05.21 | Monet | Possibly Saiyan level - there's one horse in Ontario that weighs about as much as Sampson and according to his owner, he eats 2 bales of hay (about 40-70kg) and 75 gallons (283l) of water a -day- |
14:05.38 | OluapPlayer | Fucking hell |
14:06.50 | Monet | Okay more accutately he eats 45kg of grain. |
14:07.16 | Monet | This sounds like a Saiyan-level diet to me. |
14:09.13 | OluapPlayer | The game has sperm whales, which weight 25 tons. And the largest creature period is the GIANT sperm whale which weights 200 tons |
14:10.13 | Monet | So I guess to quantify, this horse is daily eating the equivalent of half a person's weight in grain and drinks 1.6 bathtubfuls of water daily. |
14:11.21 | Monet | The kind of horse that you see in performance shows I think would consume 1/2 to 1/3rd of that sort of quantity. |
14:14.36 | Wormy_ | I don't know why Tyson misses the huge mistake he makes in his "nation of Rationalia" https://www.facebook.com/notes/neil-degrasse-tyson/reflections-on-rationalia/10154399608556613 |
14:15.17 | Monet | When it comes to training I guess like any animal, you have to respect what it can do. In the case of horse-riding you'll have to respect that the beast you want to ride can easily crush you and has a bite that can take your fingers off. And if it wants to lie down and roll in the grass (which can happen without warning) either get off or accept your new life as a pancake. |
14:17.25 | Monet | Wormy_: Reading the article it sounds more like media jumping the gun. |
14:17.53 | Wormy_ | I'm not bothered by what the media says, his concept is flawed from the onset |
14:20.02 | Monet | It does appear to rely on Democracy's greatest weakness - that if you want anything done, give time for the three-month argument that will come form trying to get a majority approval. |
14:21.45 | Monet | Rationalia becomes a place where nothing in government gets done without politicians arguing constantly over whether it's worth it. |
14:23.42 | Wormy_ | I feel as though trying to base a society on rationality will only create a dogmatic convention and would not be able to move forward from the problems that will create. |
14:26.10 | Monet | I suppose in some respects, Neil's not being that intrusive with his suggestion. "Earth needs a virtual country" suggests to me that he doesn't want to replace anything. |
14:26.36 | Wormy_ | Facts and evidence cannot be spoken about without conjecture and guesswork as well |
14:26.55 | Technobliterator | OluapPlayer, Hachiman, it took me forever, but I finally started playing my first Pokémon game |
14:27.00 | Technobliterator | It's pretty fun |
14:28.03 | OluapPlayer | Which one? |
14:28.16 | Technobliterator | Omega Ruby |
14:28.21 | OluapPlayer | Ah cool |
14:28.27 | OluapPlayer | Which starter did you pick? |
14:28.44 | Technobliterator | I chose a Treecko to start with, but I caught several others already |
14:28.55 | OluapPlayer | What's your team so far? |
14:29.00 | Technobliterator | before it even gave me a tutorial on how to catch them |
14:29.06 | Technobliterator | hold on, lemme find it |
14:30.26 | Technobliterator | Treecko, Poochyena, Zigzagoon and Seedot |
14:31.02 | OluapPlayer | I see |
14:31.28 | OluapPlayer | Well I'm gonna let you play blind but I'll say you got good taste for picking Treecko hur |
14:32.03 | Technobliterator | \o/ |
14:32.12 | Monet | Wormy_: He's mainly talking about policy. Buuut I will admit that a constitution that has only one line in it will probably be quite open to loopholes. |
14:32.13 | Hachiman | >not choosing Torchic for Blaziken |
14:32.17 | Hachiman | Literally shit taste |
14:32.23 | OluapPlayer | >not wanting based Sceptile |
14:32.33 | Hachiman | >not wanting kung fu bird |
14:32.40 | OluapPlayer | >not wanting dragon lizard |
14:32.43 | Monet | Sceptile was fucking boss. |
14:33.27 | Technobliterator | I'm not sure I'll finish it by the time my holiday is done, but from what I've been told, the main story in Pokemon games isn't that important anyway? |
14:33.34 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: I'll just say. If you come across a Pokemon named Ralts, i'd recommend you get it. It's fairly rare and has two powerful final evolutions |
14:33.50 | Hachiman | Because it's the base form of Gardevoir |
14:34.00 | Technobliterator | Oh, I'll keep that in mind |
14:34.03 | OluapPlayer | And Gardevoir is the strongest Psychic-type in Gen 3 |
14:34.37 | Technobliterator | tbh I've just been catching every unique wild type I came across so far :v |
14:34.41 | OluapPlayer | And yes the story is not that much of a deal. You fight gyms, get badges and fight the league |
14:34.48 | Ghelae | Wormy_: That piece does talk about conjecture: people propose policies that they think will be good (conjecture), and then research is conducted to test it. |
14:34.53 | OluapPlayer | The most important parts are the ones involving Team Magma and Aqua |
14:34.59 | Technobliterator | Thinking hey, if it sucks, I can just throw it out |
14:35.07 | Technobliterator | Ah, makes sense |
14:35.25 | OluapPlayer | You're playing Omega Ruby so your opponent will be Team Magma |
14:36.03 | OluapPlayer | And tbh all these except Treecko are trash hur |
14:36.21 | OluapPlayer | You're not gonna find a lot of good Pokemon early on, except for Ralts, Lotad and Shroomish |
14:37.00 | OluapPlayer | Lotad for sombrero water duck and Shroomish for plant kangaroo |
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14:37.54 | Monet | Hi |
14:38.25 | ImpyDroid | Back |
14:38.28 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
14:39.30 | Monet | Who cares about the kung-fu duck that needs a special rock to evolve |
14:40.27 | Hachiman | Chicken, and I care because Mega Blaziken is kickass hur |
14:40.46 | Monet | Kung fu chicken then |
14:41.20 | Monet | Blaziken must make some great drumsticks with its thighs. |
14:42.28 | Monet | Then again |
14:42.47 | OluapPlayer | Well Mega Blaziken is kinda OP since it has Speed Boost. It automatically gets faster ever turn |
14:42.47 | Monet | Mega-Sceptile has a *tree* for a tail. |
14:42.58 | OluapPlayer | But I still prefer Sceptile from a design perspective |
14:43.04 | OluapPlayer | Yeah, a tree it can shoot like a torpedo |
14:43.35 | Monet | Fucking. Boss. XD |
14:44.15 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: There's a lot more to reason that just testable conjectures, imo |
14:45.47 | Wormy_ | And also the idea that everything can be empirically justified by such a manner has to be false, what about more abstreact philosophical issues, like morality and ethics |
14:46.57 | Wormy_ | Criminal cases where the best available facts are sloppy memories of witnesses |
14:47.00 | Wormy_ | etc. |
14:47.25 | Charles_Bot | Wormy_ Imperios Ghelae One thing I just thought of: one of Paris' largest exports - waste |
14:47.53 | Ghelae | Morality and ethics is the part where the pure idea of Rationalia falls down. But if we account for that by (somehow) starting from a self-consistent set of ethics, I don't see the problem in principle: policy is decided by what the evidence suggests is the optimum way of ensuring that morality is maximally satisfied. |
14:48.02 | Ghelae | And criminal cases are a different matter to coming up with the laws. |
14:48.04 | Monet | Actually based on findings, a court system that strongly discourages racial, social or physical profiling could be rather advantageous. |
14:48.14 | Wormy_ | "In Rationalia, if you want to fund art in schools, you simply propose a reason why. Does it increase creativity in the citizenry? Is creativity good for culture and society at large? Is creativity good for everyone no matter your chosen profession? These are testable questions. " |
14:48.32 | Wormy_ | All these questions come with loaded presumptions |
14:48.40 | Ghelae | Charles_Bot: That could well be the case, yes. |
14:49.13 | Wormy_ | A terrible policy that could slow down art projects in schools |
14:49.17 | Wormy_ | tyrannical |
14:49.44 | Monet | Wormy_: The liberal arts aren't exactly held in high regard by the more analytical side of the population. |
14:49.59 | Ghelae | Wormy_: Those loaded presumptions in "is X good for Y" seem to me to be the assumption that "Y" is good and that other things aren't. You're displaying your ethical system there by implicitly asserting that slowing down art projects is a bad thing. |
14:50.00 | Wormy_ | I think its a real shame |
14:50.27 | Ghelae | If arts projects are deemed to have positive value, then they shouldn't be so dismissed. |
14:50.32 | Wormy_ | Yes, I do assert its a bad thing base d on freedom and creativity |
14:50.40 | Ghelae | There you go. |
14:51.05 | Monet | The last time we tried to apply cold rationality to architecture, we got Bauhaus and the International Style. |
14:51.24 | Monet | Also brutalism. |
14:51.31 | Wormy_ | I think that's *arguably* better than some body of people preventing such funding unless their criteria are met. Because it surely ain't the people's |
14:51.31 | Ghelae | So say you support funding art in schools. Your argument is that funding art... speeds up art projects, and this is good for freedom and creativity. |
14:52.19 | Monet | Basically a cold-logic approach to architectural design tends to spawn the ugliest, most utilitarian or most sterile buildings. |
14:52.22 | Wormy_ | I can't defend my argument based on evidence perhaps, but there is something I can argue about without necessity of it |
14:52.27 | Ghelae | Those should be easy to test. Then your policy is implemented in Rationalia. Assuming the people who decide the laws agree with your ethical judgements. |
14:53.54 | Ghelae | And if they don't agree with your ethics, then they wouldn't implement your policy anyway. |
14:54.19 | Monet | One thing I recall learning last year is that it's practically impossible to create a society where absolutely everyone feels satisfied and included. |
14:54.22 | Ghelae | That's not a flaw of Rationalia: that's a flaw of any lawmaking body who disagrees with your sense of ethics. |
14:54.44 | Monet | There's always going to be outliers, people who don't fit in, no matter what you do. |
14:55.20 | Ghelae | A similar idea to the saying "if you try to please everybody, you end up pleasing nobody". |
14:55.32 | Monet | Something like that. |
14:56.17 | Monet | The problem is that humans are so diverse there's always going to be someone who for some reason doesn't fit in. |
14:57.10 | Monet | Or doesn't agree with you. And attemping to be completely liberal might just earn the ire of people who feel the government should have some say in how society should be organised. |
14:59.24 | Ghelae | Charles_Bot: What wastes do you imagine might be exported rather than recycled? |
14:59.39 | Monet | Most of the more benign attempts at inclusivity have simply tried to minimise the number of people who could be classified as 'deviants' |
15:00.44 | Ghelae | Given that you can't keep everyone happy, there is a certain sense in keeping as many people as possible happy instead. |
15:01.14 | Monet | The dark side is it also shrinks the voice of the outcast minority. |
15:03.08 | Monet | Historically societies have often dealt with the deviants they simply can't convert by either shrinking their number so they can forget about them, turn society against them, or discarding them entirely. |
15:03.34 | Monet | Atheism in the West for instance was for a long time considered a form of delirium irrc. |
15:03.35 | Wormy_ | There's a dark side to "keeping people happy" as opposed to "minimising suffering" |
15:04.11 | Charles_Bot | Ghelae: Whether the waste is going to be recycled or dumped, it's going to be exported either way; Paris has very little in terms of industry or manufacturing on planet, and it's cheaper to process the stuff offworld. |
15:04.56 | Charles_Bot | What's going to determine whether it's recycled or not is how cost-effective the reclamation process is when compared with producing the stuff from scratch |
15:05.00 | Ghelae | Fair enough. |
15:05.28 | Wormy_ | "Philosophers should consider the fact that the greatest happiness principle can easily be made an excuse for a benevolent dictatorship. We should replace it by a more modest and more realistic principle: the principle that the fight against avoidable misery should be a recognized aim of public policy, while the increase of happiness should be left, in the main, to private initiative." Karl Popper |
15:05.38 | Wormy_ | I think this has key points to the whole discussion |
15:05.56 | Imperios | Wormy_: HAPPINESS IS MANDATORY. UNHAPPINESS IS TREASON. |
15:06.00 | Wormy_ | Even something like "rationalia" could become tyrannical in the wrong hands |
15:07.05 | Monet | bbl. |
15:07.21 | Monet | We should archive this discussion when it's done. |
15:07.44 | Ghelae | Wormy_: Are you thinking of things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere_addition_paradox ? |
15:08.06 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://pp.vk.me/c7011/v7011590/1bb1c/wmj6IZyNlJM.jpg |
15:08.10 | Charles_Bot | Ghelae: It's likely that the waste is going to be processed in low-wage areas, while Paris is very high-wage |
15:08.12 | Imperios | https://pp.vk.me/c7011/v7011590/1bb23/Jb1tfHsHZQ8.jpg |
15:08.19 | Imperios | https://pp.vk.me/c7011/v7011590/1bb2c/FGrynYlmkTI.jpg |
15:08.24 | Imperios | https://pp.vk.me/c7011/v7011590/1bb35/2MEuqTadbEU.jpg |
15:08.28 | Imperios | https://pp.vk.me/c7011/v7011590/1bb3e/sII1ETPqVVY.jpg |
15:08.30 | Charles_Bot | It could be sent to Sanctarium, for example |
15:08.32 | Imperios | https://pp.vk.me/c7011/v7011590/1bb46/Qkrl9jJPrkQ.jpg |
15:08.44 | Charles_Bot | ?? |
15:08.50 | Imperios | That's to hachi |
15:09.05 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: Not really, no. |
15:09.16 | Ghelae | It's a strange universe we have where lifting billions of tonnes of waste out of a gravity well, across interstellar space, and back again is cheaper than simply keeping it on a planet. :P |
15:11.51 | Ghelae | Wormy_: Right. Well, that was the first thing that came to mind when you mentioned "a dark side to keeping people happy". |
15:12.02 | Charles_Bot | IRL we ship them across oceans to be dumped in Africa, scavenged by African children for useful materials, and then buy the materials (steel, gold, etc) from them, ship them back, melt them down, and reuse them |
15:13.32 | Ghelae | Either way, yes, the moral basis of the society can make it a good place or a terrible place, Rationalia or otherwise. But Rationalia doesn't seem to me to make it worse. |
15:13.35 | Wormy_ | My concern is that a society based on maximising happiness will merely be trying to create a utopian world, which is unobtainable, and would surely cause some people to suffer as a consequence |
15:14.56 | Wormy_ | As for Rationalia, it just seems to rely on a very justificationist view of evidence and reason, which you know, is my bias |
15:15.27 | Ghelae | Charles_Bot: Yes, we do. But sending something across the ocean is incredibly easy compared to sending it to another solar system. Except for in sci-fi like the SporeWikiverse, which basically avoids the problem with reactionless drives. |
15:15.35 | Wormy_ | And as policy making goes, a bit tyrannical |
15:16.14 | Ghelae | So I don't think there's a problem with your idea. |
15:17.11 | Wormy_ | I was hoping to read in Tyson's reflection of rationalia blog post, that he's reflect a bit more on his own arguments rather than the media stygma |
15:17.22 | Wormy_ | *stigma |
15:17.30 | Ghelae | Wormy_: I still don't see how it's tyrannical. Contrast Rationalia with a non-Rationalia: in the former, policies are accepted if they work to bring about their desired aim; in the latter, they are accepted for some other reasons. |
15:17.35 | Charles_Bot | Ghelae incredibly easy now because we have the infrastructure and the economies of scale that scrap can hitch a ride on a huge freighter along with tons of other cargo and have it be cost effective |
15:18.23 | Charles_Bot | The cost of transport is spread across hundreds of firms which are looking to transport their stuff on one voyage |
15:18.39 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: I question how are those other reasons accepted. |
15:19.09 | Imperios | What is this Rationalia you speak of |
15:19.56 | Ghelae | Imperios: Basically what I just described: a hypothetical nation in which policy is decided based on whether there is good evidence in favour of it achieving a desired aim. |
15:20.02 | Charles_Bot | We also recycle locally, ship used cars and other waste to a scrap depot by rail, take them apart, and ship them somewhere else to be melted down |
15:21.25 | Ghelae | Wormy_: Are you suggesting that non-rational reasons are going to be better? There's one way I can think of for that to be the case: if you disagree with the ethical system of the lawmakers, you might be able to get [what you believe to be] a more ethical policy enacted via such means. |
15:22.19 | Ghelae | But on the other hand, if you do agree with some of their ethics, somebody else might be able to get a law enacted that is contrary to them by non-rational arguments. |
15:24.12 | Imperios | Charles_Bot: The question is, how expensive is transporting waste compared to reclycling it locally? |
15:24.35 | Imperios | It'd probably work but only if the systems in question are close together |
15:25.10 | Ghelae | Let's take your example of encouraging creativity by funding art in schools. Somebody might argue that true creativity only emerges due to suffering, and make some emotive poetic arguments that convince the lawmakers that funding should be cut in order to encourage pupils to strive harder. |
15:25.13 | Wormy_ | Think about what you have as a policy: The state questions the role of art in education, suspends new funding in the arts until its questions are met. You have a board of people preventing others, right or wrong, for pursuing art and the ideas it entails in school |
15:25.44 | Ghelae | Suspending funding if it already exists is a change in policy. |
15:26.56 | Ghelae | Or even if not, if the government suspended funding in a non-Rationalia, it could well take time for debates about it to be resolved. |
15:27.23 | Ghelae | But in Rationalia, the debates have a clear point of resolution: the evidence comes in. In a non-Rationalia, people can continue to argue even afterwards. |
15:27.29 | Wormy_ | The alternative isn't exactly irrational in my opinion. The ideas behind art in education may be wrong, but it is not impossible for the knowledge of how to improve creativity could change for the better, without the need of an authority to base that judgment on some evidence (which is justification) |
15:28.05 | Ghelae | Then what does it base its judgement on? |
15:28.13 | Wormy_ | Nothing |
15:28.50 | Ghelae | So are you saying the policies are picked at random? How are you proposing policies are decided upon? |
15:30.47 | Ghelae | To go back to my example. You say that funding arts in schools is good for creativity. How does the government choose your argument over somebody else's argument that true art requires harship and that we should cut funding in order to ensure creativity amongst people who choose the arts is maximised? |
15:31.07 | Ghelae | hardship* |
15:31.43 | Imperios | In theory, experimentation |
15:31.55 | Ghelae | And that is the idea behind Rationalia. |
15:32.19 | Charles_Bot | Imperios: Well, if you're talking about Paris: very expensive. It doesn't have the infrastructure, and wage labor for that kind of work is outlandishly expensive on Paris, and it also has stringent worker laws and environmental regulations. You would need to build the infrastructure from scratch, go through a laborious and lengthy approval process tangled in |
15:32.19 | Charles_Bot | red tape to adhere by environmental regulations, any industrial plant that adheres by those standards will necessarily be more expensive to run and maintain, likely less efficient, and probably needs to be invented (more cost). Add on top of that wage and labor laws, and the labor market. Working in the scrap industry is going to be a step down for most |
15:32.19 | Charles_Bot | people, below their dignity, skills, and waaay too dangerous. So it's gotta pay well. |
15:32.40 | Wormy_ | I'm saying evidence isn't the basis for accepting ideas or policies, the problems and criticisms of explanatory theories are |
15:32.57 | Ghelae | Go into more detail. |
15:32.59 | Wormy_ | And people contain explanations, which they can be wrong about |
15:33.03 | Imperios | Charles_Bot: In that case, I imagine that could work |
15:33.07 | Imperios | Sanctuarium is pretty close too |
15:33.19 | Charles_Bot | But what Paris -does- have is -huge- international shipping infrastructure to keep the planet supplied. |
15:34.00 | Charles_Bot | Providing freight connections to basically every corner of the Gigaquadrantic market. |
15:34.04 | Ghelae | Because at the moment it sounds like you're throwing around philosophy-of-science topics without considering their applicability to the current situation. |
15:34.44 | Ghelae | So, explain to me how your non-evidence-based suggestion resolves the problem of two competing policy suggestions for improving creativity, one of which is to increase funding of arts in schools and the other is to cut it. |
15:34.45 | Wormy_ | I think its more like we've lost each other on two different tracks |
15:35.08 | Ghelae | Yes, we quite possibly have. |
15:35.16 | Charles_Bot | Yeah, Sanctarium would be a possible destination for the scrap if they have the infrastructure |
15:35.32 | Wormy_ | I'm trying to explain why I think Rationalia is uses evidence as a form of justification policy making, have I understook this correctly? |
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15:36.14 | Ghelae | Well, I thought you were trying to explain why you think Rationalia is a flawed idea. |
15:36.15 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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15:36.51 | Ghelae | With the example that Rationalia could support e.g. cutting arts funding, while that wouldn't happen in some non-Rationalia nation. |
15:37.14 | Ghelae | Hello. |
15:38.22 | Treebeard | Hello |
15:38.29 | Ghelae | My argument is that, given some set of fundamental ethics - say, maximising creativity and freedom of expression - Rationalia will be more likely to choose the policy that actually agrees with those ethics. |
15:39.11 | Ghelae | Because evidence provides the most reliable means to ensure that a policy has a desired outcome. |
15:39.49 | Wormy_ | But this is where I think Rationalia uses a very limited concept of evidence |
15:40.01 | Ghelae | Okay. |
15:40.40 | Wormy_ | And worse, an authority that bases on policies on that limited concept. Which doesn't seem very rational to me! |
15:41.07 | Ghelae | So, what is your reasoning in favour of a wider concept being applied? |
15:44.13 | Wormy_ | Well, firstly why is it the only "rational" form of policy making? |
15:44.34 | dino82_ | hi |
15:44.51 | Ghelae | If you can come up with another form of policy making that is also rational, I'll happily concede that it isn't. |
15:46.41 | Ghelae | Although the main point is whether or not said other form of policy-making is as good, or better, at enacting functioning policies. |
15:47.07 | Wormy_ | Namely, that progress can happen without an authority accepting an idea first |
15:48.18 | Ghelae | I don't see the idea of Rationalia necessarily relying on an authority. An isocracy that bases its policies on evidence seems just as consistent with the premise. |
15:49.10 | Wormy_ | So why does that not happen already? |
15:50.19 | Wormy_ | I don't know whether the arts have improved in schooling or not in the the Western world, but I have no reason to say it hasn't. And it required no radical change in policy making to enact it |
15:50.44 | Ghelae | I don't know what point you're trying to make with that question. There are no isocratic Rationalias, therefore they are not possible, while the lack of existence of technocratic Rationalias doesn't make them impossible? |
15:51.10 | Wormy_ | Not saying they are not possible, just not necessary |
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15:51.51 | Ghelae | Oh, so is the point you're making that progress can occur even with non-evidence-based reasoning being used? Well, of course it can. That's how our world has worked throughout its entire history after all. |
15:52.37 | Wormy_ | Yep, and actually evidence does play a role in such progress: But it requires other forms of criticism too, and guesswork |
15:53.56 | Ghelae | Besides criticism of the ethics, and the proposal of policies that have yet to have evidence behind them, what other criticism and guesswork would make for better policy-making? |
15:54.58 | Ghelae | And how would it make a government more likely to choose the arguments in favour of increasing arts funding over those in favour of decreasing it? |
15:57.21 | Ghelae | Or do you think it would change what happens to funding during the decision-making process? You seem to have implied you think non-Rationalias would provide more funding than Rationalia while the decision-making is still underway. |
16:00.01 | Ghelae | bbl dog-walking time |
16:03.10 | Wormy_ | Well, on the latter point you make I could be very wrong: A Rationalian government might fund art projects in schools for the purpose of experiment, rather than suspend it |
16:07.24 | Charles_Bot | One thing to keep in mind about rationality in the political process: nobody has access to perfect information, least of all voters. This applies to historical experience, policy, current events, etc. Voters typically don't have the tools they need to produce or analyze this information and make decisions based on what they think is rational and the limited |
16:07.24 | Charles_Bot | information at their disposal. |
16:08.26 | Charles_Bot | So, in the end, you have everyone voting and acting irrationally and against their own interests, in complete ignorance of how the world actually works |
16:09.14 | Wormy_ | As for choosing arguments, that's where evidence plays a role. But all arguments have an explanatory nature, the argument that is consistent with observations has content that couldn't be any different (for lack of a better word), so not easy to change. If it doesn't account for evidence, or doesn't explain something as a rival argument, then people can refute it |
16:10.26 | Wormy_ | Charles: I agree, and even academics can simply be wrong, and that's what people in this hypothetical rationalia would need to be prepared for |
16:12.16 | Wormy_ | *explain something as well as a rival argument |
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16:44.33 | Wormy_ | Ah, and therein I think lays the crux of my problem with it: Rationalia may be no more-well adapted to create good explanations as our current world, if there is no ultimate foundations for arguments. It claims to be, but that is debatable |
16:44.47 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
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16:45.11 | Ghel | On your first point: a Rationalian government would certainly fund art projects as part of their research. But just as a non-Rationalian government wouldn't change its policy when it's still discussing whether that policy should be changed, a Rationalian government would take as its null hypothesis that the present system is the best. In either case, there would be no change to the funding situation while decision-making is ongoing |
16:45.39 | Wormy_ | I certainly misunderstood that part |
16:46.35 | Ghel | As for explanatory nature: I did suspect that might be your point. But the issue is that the purpose of government is not the same as the purpose of science, even when the latter is funded by the former. |
16:47.34 | Ghel | A Rationalian government is like instrumentalist science: all that matters is that policy X achieves aim Y; it doesn't care for explanations. |
16:47.59 | Ghel | But that doesn't mean all scientists funded by a Rationalian government would be forced to be instrumentalists. |
16:48.21 | Wormy_ | Well what I like about explanation-based epistemology is that it can be applied to more than just science. But yeah |
16:49.57 | Ghel | Oh, absolutely; just like epistemology in general is not limited to science. |
16:50.53 | Ghel | However, some aspects of it are less relevant to policy-making. |
16:53.16 | Ghel | As for Charles's comments: that limits Rationalia's applicablity to democracy (or vice versa). Presumably voting in such a system, if it exists, would have to be on the basis of what morality they want policies to be based on, and not on the policies themselves. |
16:57.46 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/f1/KicathBodyProgress2.png/revision/latest?cb=20160808165729 Far from complete but it's taken shape |
16:57.54 | Xho | Monet: ^ |
16:58.20 | Monet | Woah. |
16:58.39 | Monet | That's some pretty good texture work. |
16:59.03 | Xho | Most of it's due to the material type |
16:59.11 | Xho | Which would be used for metals |
17:04.09 | Wormy_ | I'm still unsure about the approach of Rationalia to democracy and decision-making of policies being an instrumentalist one. since policies themselves can compete with one another in the voter's thought process |
17:06.10 | Ghel | The evidence in favour of one policy over another might be insufficient for a completely rational choice to be made. |
17:06.54 | Ghel | This suggests that the principle behind Rationalia should be viewed as an idealisation. The idea of a one-word constitution is clearly unworkable, after all. |
17:08.24 | Ghel | It just means that non-evidence-based policy decisions should be limited to wherever they're necessary to distinguish between possible policies which are not experimentally distinguishable in their effectiveness. |
17:08.40 | Ghel | In other news, the aliens are at it again: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2100319-triple-signal-of-alien-megastructure-star-baffles-astronomers/ |
17:08.55 | Monet | Xho: I like the geometric look of the arm and leg msucles |
17:09.39 | OluapPlayer | anorexic kicath |
17:09.40 | OluapPlayer | also spu |
17:10.03 | Xho | u |
17:10.13 | Wormy_ | Another place where evidence may be insufficient is when complications arise between rival explanations and so on (not sure how to apply this here) |
17:10.18 | Wormy_ | gets excited |
17:10.19 | Xho | Yeah Kicath look kinda mummified |
17:12.57 | Monet | I kind of like it, links to their acrobatic origins. |
17:13.56 | Wormy_ | I'm actually hoping its something we haven't thought about at all |
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17:22.33 | Wormy_ | bbl |
17:35.28 | Imperios | Ghel: So then Rationalia is more of a legal theory than a system of governance? |
17:36.28 | Imperios | Xho: I opened your Kicath link, my sis started screaming |
17:36.36 | Xho | top kek |
17:36.38 | Xho | TOP KEK M8 |
17:38.27 | Xho | Kicath Scariest Alien confirmed |
17:38.59 | Ghel | Imperios: I believe the term was coined by Neil deGrasse Tyson, so I don't think the concept was developed out to the necessary level of rigor. |
17:39.06 | Ghel | developed to* |
17:40.50 | Ghel | But yes, I suppose it's not a system of governance on its own. |
17:41.45 | Ghel | The idea might have been "evidence makes the laws, not any person", but that's not realistic. |
17:41.55 | Imperios | A legal theory that laws have to be made on the basis of their efficiency |
17:42.01 | Ghel | Yes. |
17:42.03 | Imperios | ...Which isn't so revolutionary if you tink about it |
17:42.47 | Ghel | That part of it is something I'm sure most people would agree on. |
17:43.28 | Ghel | But what sets Rationalia apart is that the laws have to be confirmed to be effective. |
17:44.33 | Imperios | The obvious problem is that confirmation stems from experimentation, so it'd be very sluggish |
17:44.35 | Imperios | I guess |
17:45.04 | Ghel | The social sciences are also notoriously difficult to perform reliable controlled experiments with real-world relevance in. |
17:46.01 | Ghel | The "controlled" and "real-world relevance" parts are sometimes known to conflict when humans are involved. |
17:47.10 | Ghel | However, at least when the requirement is that evidence is obtained, there is a known endpoint to decision-making. |
17:47.23 | Monet | Imperios: That's one of the things I concluded earlier. Democracy's great weakness is it takes a long time to get anything passed because it has t obe argued about. |
17:47.59 | Imperios | Then perhaps the solution to the problem would be the oldest trick in the book: "commandments" |
17:48.17 | Imperios | Deduce at least a handful of the most important sociological laws, and then apply them |
17:48.22 | Monet | So Rationalia's primary principle involves has to deal with democracy's biggest flaw. |
17:48.37 | Imperios | Monet: Not "debating" as much as "testing" |
17:48.40 | Monet | -involves |
17:49.08 | Monet | Imperios: The evidence will likely still be debated. It needs to be confirmed, after all. |
17:49.42 | Monet | The scientific community has no shortage of shysters peddling fabricated evidence. |
17:49.48 | Ghel | That's what I was about to say. In both traditional democracy and Rationalia, there's a long process before a policy can be decided upon. |
17:51.01 | Ghel | The difference is that the evidence will come in at some point. People can argue other points endlessly. Only when the evidence is inconclusive - granted, that will happen often - do you need to resort to other means of decision-making where there might be no end in sight. |
17:52.41 | Ghel | It's obviously far from perfect, but I've yet to be convinced that forcing non-evidence-based decisions into the back seat is worse than our current system. |
17:54.29 | Ghel | Obviously, the best way to tell would be to try it out and see whether the results show it to be more or less effective. :P |
17:59.56 | Imperios | Then again, the whole Cold War ultimately summed up to "whose economy works" |
18:00.07 | Ghel | See? Science in action. |
18:11.18 | Monet | Was thinking |
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18:12.01 | Monet | Seems the best way to know if Rationalia could work is if the idea of Rationalia were tested. |
18:12.04 | Monet | Meta. |
18:25.47 | Monet | Imperios: Was your sister screaming at the Kicath or did she coincidentally start screaming? |
18:25.58 | Imperios | THe former |
18:26.38 | Monet | Interesting. How is she with Jurassic Park? |
18:28.06 | Imperios | OluapPlayer Xho: Seen the new Shattering update? |
18:29.10 | Xho | Hm no |
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18:44.44 | DrodoEmpire | New stuff |
18:45.09 | DrodoEmpire | Native horsemen attack a big mining operation, native civilizations fight among themselves, all that good stuff <.< |
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18:48.39 | Wormy_ | lol https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/videos/2341673132522399/ |
19:13.54 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/7e/KicathBodyProgress3.png/revision/latest?cb=20160808191311 Getting there slower |
19:15.41 | DrodoEmpire | Ooh nice |
19:15.46 | Xho | Imperios: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/9e/KicathTorso.png/revision/latest?cb=20160808191523 More screaming inbound |
19:16.45 | Xho | The final version will have less polys than the screenshots do, that model has way too many polys to deal with |
19:17.43 | Xho | I might change up the material again, that doesn't look metallic enough to me |
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19:18.08 | Hachiman | My IRC froze ages ago and I only figured it out now |
19:18.26 | Xho | gg |
19:18.39 | Xho | Hachiman: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/7e/KicathBodyProgress3.png/revision/latest?cb=20160808191311 full kicath throttle |
19:18.55 | Hachiman | noice |
19:19.20 | Xho | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/9e/KicathTorso.png/revision/latest?cb=20160808191523 Close up as well |
19:19.35 | Hachiman | Holes in their necks are like nostrils right |
19:19.39 | Xho | Yes |
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19:22.45 | DanzaDelMondo | Hello |
19:40.51 | Imperios | meme |
19:40.54 | Imperios | memememe |
19:40.57 | Imperios | memememememe |
19:41.05 | DrodoEmpire | no |
19:41.29 | Imperios | Xho: Their faces look a bit jarring |
19:41.36 | Imperios | Not sure if that's good or bad |
19:41.37 | Xho | Well |
19:41.43 | Xho | They are aliens |
19:41.53 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
19:44.36 | Imperios | Actually I know why I have that feeling |
19:44.40 | Imperios | THe mouth needs some... decoration |
19:45.07 | Imperios | Like teeth or perhaps something resembling gums or lips |
19:45.07 | Xho | Maybe |
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19:48.09 | Imperios | What's that with your internet today |
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19:55.22 | Primisback | ayyyy lmao |
19:55.30 | Primisback | and rip pink and cyan villages |
19:57.23 | Primisback | also |
19:57.49 | Primisback | what happens if i destroy 3 tribes but ally the other 2? economic or military? |
19:59.14 | Imperios | Primisback: What was your original Creature archetype? |
19:59.25 | Primisback | herbivorous, social |
19:59.31 | Primisback | for cell and creature |
20:00.35 | Primisback | social creature |
20:01.29 | Ghelaway | You aren't going to start as a military civ from a social start unless you destroy all 5 tribes. |
20:02.03 | Imperios | ^ that |
20:02.39 | Primisback | so what im thinking: herbivorous cell -> social creature -> kills 2 or 3 tribes tribe -> ??? nation |
20:03.17 | Ghelaway | I think killing 3 would get you economic, while killing 2 would get you religious, but I'm not certain. |
20:03.22 | Primisback | k |
20:03.27 | Primisback | ill go for the final tribe |
20:04.29 | Primisback | omf |
20:04.32 | Primisback | triple rainbow |
20:04.35 | Primisback | in spore |
20:08.56 | DrodoEmpire | http://emoji.wikia.com/wiki/Emoji_Wiki no |
20:09.07 | Primisback | fuck |
20:09.11 | Primisback | implodes |
20:11.55 | Primisback | awww yiss |
20:13.31 | Primisback | [storytime]all the tribes i conquered or allied are absorbed into my nation |
20:14.15 | Primisback | omf |
20:14.25 | Primisback | i still got friendly |
20:15.04 | Imperios | Then it's sealed |
20:15.07 | Imperios | You're a shaman |
20:15.17 | Primisback | HOW THE FUCK |
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20:15.23 | Primisback | I TRIED TO GET ECONOMIC |
20:15.59 | Primisback | lets |
20:16.01 | Primisback | try |
20:16.04 | Primisback | a g a i n |
20:17.42 | Primisback | does killing babies count as killing tribe members? |
20:18.04 | DrodoEmpire | Killing babies is a war crime |
20:18.08 | Primisback | ahem |
20:18.08 | DrodoEmpire | Also a bit fucked up <.< |
20:18.16 | Primisback | in the t r i b a l s t a g e |
20:18.30 | Xho | "All's fair in love and war and you're all primitive" - Dominion of the Xhodocto, Whenever AD |
20:18.31 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, I believe |
20:18.43 | Primisback | #primandtheexpandedwords |
20:18.49 | DrodoEmpire | They count towards population so it makes sense |
20:19.37 | Primisback | omw |
20:19.41 | Primisback | i just remembered |
20:19.45 | Primisback | i can let them spawn babies |
20:19.51 | Primisback | then kill them when they grow up |
20:20.03 | Primisback | @.@ how did i not know? |
20:21.47 | Primisback | k |
20:23.14 | Ghelaway | The actual destruction of tribes has far more effect than killing individuals. |
20:24.14 | Primisback | k |
20:24.36 | Primisback | i'll just bring it /right/ to the edge, then take the tribe out |
20:26.22 | DrodoEmpire | Really you should just be decisive and destroy their hut if you've already destroyed their ability to fight back |
20:26.28 | Primisback | ok |
20:27.55 | Primisback | THE FUCK |
20:28.01 | Primisback | I KEEP GETTING RELIGIOUS |
20:30.49 | Primisback | OMFG |
20:31.01 | Primisback | NOW ITS REMOVING MY OWN CREATIONS FROM MY OWN ADVENTURE |
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20:36.06 | Monet | hello |
20:36.07 | Primisback | Hi |
20:36.16 | DrodoEmpire | Hi Monet |
20:36.36 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: dat emoji wiki tho ;DDDD |
20:36.47 | Hachiman | :P XD :^) |
20:37.03 | DrodoEmpire | >.> |
20:37.04 | DrodoEmpire | Its infected Hachi <.< |
20:37.13 | Hachiman | Also |
20:37.29 | Hachiman | I saw someone call a Ouija board a Luigi board the other day |
20:37.57 | Primisback | dies of laughter, then his corpse explodes |
20:38.32 | Primisback | luigi boarder - are you green *yes* thought so |
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20:40.44 | Primisback | gg |
20:40.46 | Primisback | 2 drodoes |
20:41.33 | Primisback | -someone get me a really edgy song |
20:45.12 | DrodoEmpire_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#.E2.80.A2LIVE:_Silvan_Raids_Intensify_on_New_Aratacia - Another short update |
20:47.56 | Primisback | drodo |
20:48.18 | DrodoEmpire_ | Yes? |
20:48.22 | Primisback | can i dispatch some riot control to them? |
20:48.27 | DrodoEmpire_ | Uhh |
20:49.19 | DrodoEmpire_ | I'ma say... no...? I mean, they're on a completely different world, in a country where your police have zero jurisdiction |
20:49.34 | DrodoEmpire_ | And police in riot gear would be cut to ribbons by a horde of Seruni natives |
20:49.48 | DrodoEmpire_ | Or any Silvan for that matter- especially ones that have a significant number of firearms |
20:50.01 | Primisback | ah, ok |
20:50.14 | Primisback | i meant as reinforcements tho |
20:50.20 | DrodoEmpire_ | That's what I mean |
20:50.33 | Hachiman | inb4 burn the kangaroo fuckers alive |
20:50.35 | DrodoEmpire_ | I know what you mean, and I'm telling you why it wouldn't be a good idea |
20:50.39 | DrodoEmpire_ | hur |
20:51.15 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire_: I imagine half of the known universe with less stringent sapient rights is screaming "KILL KILL KILL" at the news |
20:51.17 | DrodoEmpire_ | Hence why the Drodo police (IDMP) in the region are on horseback, armed with rifles |
20:51.38 | Imperios | horseback |
20:51.39 | Hachiman | Horseback and not armoured vehicles? |
20:51.43 | Imperios | Is there a model of Drodo horses? |
20:51.47 | DrodoEmpire_ | Probably, but escalation isn't a good idea |
20:51.52 | DrodoEmpire_ | Uhh, yes, there is |
20:52.03 | DrodoEmpire_ | The Drodo have robohorses, which they use all the time |
20:52.05 | DrodoEmpire_ | ._. |
20:52.05 | Primisback | even with portable shielding and lasers? |
20:52.10 | Imperios | As in, a PNG |
20:52.13 | DrodoEmpire_ | Oh |
20:52.16 | DrodoEmpire_ | No, unfortunately |
20:52.38 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire_: What kind of escalation can be spoken of though? You mean, clans uniting and all hat? |
20:52.39 | DrodoEmpire_ | The robohorses are heavily armoured, capable of going over a hundred kph, and have personal shielding |
20:52.54 | Primisback | >mfw you realize you could make your own riot fiction |
20:53.12 | DrodoEmpire_ | So they're full-on combat platforms, and are cheaper and more mobile than an APC (which they also use, just not here, not now) |
20:53.19 | Hachiman | Ah |
20:53.38 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire_: Do Drodohorses have weapons of their own? |
20:53.44 | Hachiman | Gotta wonder how they go at over 100 kph while heavily armoured and on four legs |
20:53.46 | Imperios | The robohorses |
20:53.58 | DrodoEmpire_ | No, they don't have weapons on them- the soldier carries those |
20:54.11 | Imperios | Hachiman: For some reason I imagine fucking thrusters attached to their bodies |
20:54.22 | DrodoEmpire_ | Hachiman: I imagine really efficient mechanical musculature/hydraulics |
20:54.44 | DrodoEmpire_ | Imperios: Mostly the fact that the whole Drodo-Silvan relations are *very* shaky, and a particularly brash military action could throw the entire region in to utter chaos |
20:54.57 | DrodoEmpire_ | So the Drodo are trying (and currently failing) to more contain the situation |
20:55.20 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire_: I can totally imagine them playing clan politics and trying to pit their cultures against one another |
20:55.27 | Imperios | Hell I like this entire idea a lot |
20:55.41 | DrodoEmpire_ | The Silvan make up 80% of the world's population, literally breed like rabbits, and can thus deploy armies of *millions* |
20:55.46 | Imperios | It's been ages since we had that Avatar scenario |
20:55.55 | Primisback | oh man |
20:55.56 | DrodoEmpire_ | Yeah, I sorta like the whole Silvan idea *for* that |
20:56.04 | DrodoEmpire_ | I want to do more with them, for sure |
20:56.11 | Imperios | How many of them are integrated in Drodo culture? |
20:56.15 | DrodoEmpire_ | Few |
20:56.23 | Primisback | i'll need to give the DE some weapons |
20:56.30 | DrodoEmpire_ | Uhh |
20:56.31 | DrodoEmpire_ | Why |
20:56.51 | Primisback | incase the Silvan get out of hand |
20:57.12 | Primisback | ie ionic charges, which pretty much disable them |
20:57.17 | DrodoEmpire_ | There is a so-called "Silvan Civilization Program" where basically, the Silvan natives that were within a certain area of the walled Drodo cities were rounded up, and put in to smaller, walled cities with substandard conditions and repressive production quotas and laws |
20:57.33 | DrodoEmpire_ | The Drodo have plenty of weapons, but an arms deal isn't out of the question |
20:57.46 | DrodoEmpire_ | Basically, imagine the Combine occupation of Earth in HL2 |
20:57.47 | Primisback | paralization for maybe a couple hours |
20:58.04 | Imperios | So basically an imperialist form of assimilation |
20:58.05 | DrodoEmpire_ | But that's a small minority of Silvan- most live within their own states |
20:58.06 | Hachiman | Needs more virus bombs and Exterminatus for heresy and xenos hostility |
20:58.29 | DrodoEmpire_ | Hachiman: That'd be a humanitarian disaster, but it'd be efficient perhaps |
20:58.40 | Monet | Also there are Drodo living on New Aratacia |
20:58.53 | Imperios | Hachiman: As I said, I think half of the Gigaquadrant thinks the same |
20:58.56 | Hachiman | Well not really efficient because holy fuck an Exterminatus is expensive to undertake |
20:58.56 | Primisback | [[test]] |
20:59.03 | DrodoEmpire_ | yeah true |
20:59.12 | Primisback | so yeah |
20:59.14 | Wormy_ | "Superfoods: are they worth eating?" ..."Take claims a pinch of salt" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpizBbCEc64 > comments > "Why pinch of salt? Don't we eat too much salt already?" "Well, that quinoa stuff is pretty bland." |
20:59.20 | DrodoEmpire_ | olol |
20:59.49 | Monet | Wormy_: Watching it right now |
21:01.28 | DrodoEmpire_ | But yeah, the Drodo are also reluctant to do strategic bombings- not just for escalation reasons, but also because of collateral damage to Drodo infrastructure like highways |
21:01.34 | DrodoEmpire_ | Especially difficult with the Seruni |
21:01.57 | DrodoEmpire_ | Which are basically Afghanistan- divided between hundreds of tribes and untouchable in their mountains, even with artillery |
21:02.24 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire_: Was going to say, if bombed the natives could star a guerilla war |
21:02.31 | DrodoEmpire_ | ^ |
21:02.52 | Imperios | Like running off to forests and mountains and partisanning the shit out of the Drodo |
21:03.00 | Hachiman | Didn't know Silvans has gorillas |
21:03.08 | Hachiman | #dicksout4harambe |
21:03.14 | DrodoEmpire_ | And actually finding *who* is responsible's difficult due to the number and fluid borders of all the tribes |
21:03.23 | DrodoEmpire_ | hur |
21:03.56 | Imperios | Hachiman: What the hell is Harambe even? |
21:04.02 | Imperios | Heard that name used a lot recently |
21:04.11 | Xho | DICKS OUT FOR HARAMBE |
21:04.21 | Wormy_ | Harambe for President |
21:04.27 | Hachiman | He's an innocent gorilla who was shot at Cincinnati Zoo for trying to help and protect a kid when they fell into his enclosure |
21:04.51 | Imperios | That sounds like a BLM satire |
21:04.55 | Hachiman | I bet they wouldn't have shot him if he was a white chimp |
21:05.03 | Primisback | *whips 3-headed dick out* |
21:05.09 | Primisback | DICKS OUT FOR HARAMBE |
21:05.11 | Wormy_ | I'm very doubtful "it was trying to help", it dragged the kid around a moat for ages and could have drowned it |
21:05.19 | DrodoEmpire_ | Well, he was shot because he was manhandling the kid and they figured the tranquiliser wouldn't work fast enough I believe |
21:05.22 | Hachiman | Primisback: Echidnas have four heads, fuck you |
21:05.24 | Monet | I'm with Wormy |
21:05.29 | Primisback | Hachi |
21:05.36 | DrodoEmpire_ | Wasn't an easy decision for the Zoo-owners I'm sure |
21:05.43 | Primisback | It's 2 heads, but the heads are divided in 2 |
21:05.44 | Wormy_ | Tranquiliser would have killed the child if they hit him by mistake |
21:05.44 | Monet | Half the internet acted like they knew Harambe better than its own handlers. |
21:05.47 | Hachiman | Them racists killed my nigga Harambe |
21:05.51 | DrodoEmpire_ | Wormy_ So would a bullet |
21:06.06 | Wormy_ | Hm good point |
21:06.26 | Wormy_ | Then again a tranquilser doesn't work straight away, and could have enraged it |
21:06.30 | DrodoEmpire_ | ^ |
21:06.34 | DrodoEmpire_ | That's what I figure |
21:06.56 | Hachiman | Next thing you know, zoo keeper's gonna put the gun he used to kill Harambe up on eBay like what the guy who shot Trayvon Martian did |
21:07.04 | Monet | DrodoEMpire_: Yeah a tranq wouldn't work fast enough. Despite cries theey should have used an 'instant-action tranq' |
21:07.12 | DrodoEmpire_ | >Trayvon Martian |
21:07.23 | Wormy_ | Nah, I don't think the zoo officials are at all happy about killing their gorilla |
21:07.25 | DrodoEmpire_ | ayy lmao |
21:07.25 | Hachiman | my niggayy lmao |
21:07.44 | Primisback | so |
21:08.04 | Wormy_ | Enclosure should have been more secure. Hell they shouldn't be in an enclosure in the first place |
21:08.10 | Wormy_ | I don't like zoos |
21:08.15 | DrodoEmpire_ | But yeah tl;dr the Silvan are actually sorta dangerous in numbers |
21:08.16 | Wormy_ | Don't mind safaris, not zoos |
21:08.20 | Primisback | what was the name of the homeworld again? |
21:08.25 | Monet | That's the thing. |
21:08.36 | DrodoEmpire_ | The Drodo capital is New Aratacia, its on the UDB page |
21:08.44 | Primisback | ok |
21:08.46 | Monet | People forget zoos are not purely venues to entertain the public. |
21:08.48 | Primisback | new aratacia |
21:08.49 | DrodoEmpire_ | *sorry, the Quadrant colonial world |
21:08.49 | Hachiman | Still think the parents should have been prosecuted or fined honestly |
21:08.57 | Hachiman | Like, in honest opinion |
21:08.58 | DrodoEmpire_ | Not the Drodo Empire's capital |
21:09.12 | DrodoEmpire_ | Yeah... |
21:09.25 | DrodoEmpire_ | They could easily be charged for negligence |
21:10.34 | Hachiman | https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKP1WQBw0VqGzGo/giphy.gif "You dropped this" |
21:10.56 | DrodoEmpire_ | hur |
21:11.19 | Imperios | Hachiman: Hm. Was tranquilising out of the picture in that scenario? |
21:11.32 | DrodoEmpire_ | Like we said, most likely |
21:11.32 | Hachiman | Yes |
21:11.51 | DrodoEmpire_ | A tranq round would've probably taken too much time to work, and possibly enrage the gorilla |
21:11.51 | Hachiman | If they used an insta-action tranq, the gorilla most likely would have died of a cardiac arrest |
21:12.01 | Monet | The boy it was handling could have been injured in the time it would take for Harambe to pass out. |
21:12.07 | Hachiman | If they used a slow-working tranq, the gorilla would have most likely gone into a rage |
21:12.17 | DrodoEmpire_ | Damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't |
21:12.42 | Hachiman | Could have just shot the kid and went "snitches get stitches" but you know |
21:12.54 | Imperios | right |
21:14.32 | Wormy_ | I don't even blame the parents, even the most vigilante make mistakes. I'm sure we all have memories of being lost in a crowd or shop for 2 minutes and panicking |
21:14.47 | Wormy_ | *vigilant |
21:15.02 | DrodoEmpire_ | Fair enough |
21:15.12 | Wormy_ | One might be under the impression that the zoo is a safe environment |
21:15.13 | DrodoEmpire_ | It *could* have just been a really bad accident, it happens |
21:15.36 | Wormy_ | That's all it is, no-one to blame really, except perhaps the security |
21:15.56 | Hachiman | How about the white patriarchy for shooting an innocent black gorilla |
21:16.11 | Wormy_ | lol |
21:16.25 | Monet | Wasn't Harambe a silverback? |
21:16.51 | Imperios | Monet: He was obviously transracial black gorillakin |
21:16.58 | Imperios | black-gorillakin |
21:17.05 | Imperios | damn you orthography |
21:17.08 | DrodoEmpire_ | ey laymo |
21:17.44 | Imperios | https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xx3SrmLWCoE/maxresdefault.jpg He's literally half black half white |
21:17.45 | Wormy_ | Perhaps it identified as a human and tried to help the child but didn't know how |
21:18.17 | Primisback | nah, he has pants on |
21:18.22 | Hachiman | https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13900361_1263807290326930_4256808856807463831_n.jpg?oh=5c3539a0ef05adcdede9a0ba39584865&oe=585EB379 Meanwhile, I found a good pic of what it means to be an Imperial Guardsman |
21:18.34 | Hachiman | And yes, that is The Emperor |
21:18.47 | Imperios | Hachiman: Is that Pius? Did he look *that* badass? |
21:18.51 | Monet | Wormy_: Well I'm looking forward to the internet's reaction for tonight's Eden |
21:19.09 | Wormy_ | Oh that show about creating a new society? |
21:19.09 | Imperios | based on the fact the Emperor's wounded and that there's a guardsman next to him I am going to say Pius |
21:19.22 | Hachiman | That is Pius and that was the standard Imperial auxiliary outfit at the time of the Heresy |
21:19.27 | Wormy_ | I'll have to watch the episode later |
21:19.32 | Imperios | He looks... Vostroyan |
21:19.53 | Hachiman | Vostroyans based their outfit on old Imperial Army attire as far as I know |
21:19.59 | Imperios | Huh |
21:20.15 | Imperios | Didn't know there were actual Imperial Army designs |
21:20.22 | Monet | Wormy_: They just showed a ewe being killed on national television. The Ewe wasn't providing milk and lost a lamb recently. It was just eating. |
21:20.57 | Hachiman | Monet: How'd they kill it? |
21:21.02 | Imperios | Kind of makes sense since they're aristocrats |
21:21.05 | Wormy_ | I see, well they wanted meat and waited for the best opportunity |
21:21.25 | Monet | Yeah. |
21:21.30 | Imperios | Wormy_ Monet Hachiman: I could swear the name was familiar and now I realised why. Behold, the official coat of arms of Kenya: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Coat_of_arms_of_Kenya.svg |
21:21.44 | Imperios | They remember their hero |
21:21.45 | Hachiman | hur |
21:21.45 | Wormy_ | I feel a bit sorry for that goat which ate the spoiled chickenfeed though |
21:21.48 | Monet | Hachiman: A bolt-gun was fired against the temple to render it unconscious and they cut its throat...I think. |
21:22.09 | Hachiman | Ollanius is honestly one of my favourite characters in WH40K |
21:22.29 | Wormy_ | Looks cool |
21:22.33 | Hachiman | As is Yarrick for obvious reasons |
21:22.33 | Monet | It happened quickly but it was done by vets trained in humanely killing animals. |
21:24.53 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://pp.vk.me/c626324/v626324082/1dd67/vGh2sIgG7EE.jpg |
21:25.55 | Monet | This talk of Harambe reminded me of an account by a man travelling to Zimbabwe. This man asked a local what he thought should be done about the guy that killed Cecil the Lion. The local however only spoke two words as a response. |
21:25.59 | Monet | "Whose Cecil?" |
21:26.12 | Wormy_ | There's now some geological evidence that adds credence to the legend of Emperor Yu's dredging of flooded land at the beginning of Chinese history https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P6MrJ86e8w |
21:26.21 | Monet | It's purely anecdotal but it was interesting. |
21:26.46 | Hachiman | Imperios: Tracer's a cheeky cow |
21:27.36 | Wormy_ | I am totally triggered a male character's arse crack wouldn't even be exposed |
21:28.06 | Hachiman | Wormy_: You've not seen the objectified hunk of a man that is Roadhog |
21:28.18 | Wormy_ | (I'm joking) |
21:28.31 | Hachiman | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/overwatch/images/9/94/Roadhog_mud.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160210002801 |
21:28.50 | Wormy_ | I think thats pretty forward thinking, yaknow |
21:29.07 | Wormy_ | Fupa... |
21:29.48 | Hachiman | He's also a minority |
21:29.52 | Hachiman | That is, he's Maori |
21:30.23 | Imperios | Hachiman: I thought he was an Aussie |
21:30.35 | Monet | That's...awkward |
21:31.14 | Hachiman | Nationality-wise he's Australian; ethnically he's quite probably Maori |
21:32.21 | Hachiman | I mean, his name is Mako and some of his skins reference New Zealand, such as Kiwi, Islander, and Toa |
21:32.32 | Xho | >toa |
21:32.33 | Xho | LEGO |
21:32.36 | Xho | LEGO EVERYWHERE |
21:32.46 | Imperios | >Toa |
21:32.56 | Imperios | Omfg the feels |
21:33.01 | Imperios | My favourite Lego brand |
21:33.04 | Imperios | Toa Gali <3 |
21:33.06 | Imperios | Toa Lhikan <3 |
21:33.12 | Imperios | Borok-Khals <3 |
21:33.42 | Hachiman | Yes, Toa; why do you think all the Bionicle wear masks |
21:33.57 | Primisback | you're watching the family learning channel and now angry ticks fire out of my nipples http://thebest404pageever.com/swf/FLC_ticks.swf |
21:34.03 | Xho | Because power :v |
21:34.12 | Xho | Not sure what my favourite Toa was |
21:34.17 | Wormy_ | I wonder why the Moari stopped exploring the seas after finding New Zealand and colonise Australia and interacted with Aboriginal Australians |
21:34.18 | Xho | Can't really remember |
21:34.36 | Wormy_ | * I wonder why the Moari stopped exploring the seas after finding New Zealand to go onto |
21:35.08 | Xho | Kopaka was one of my favourites |
21:37.20 | Imperios | Wormy_: Panda used to say that they were evenly matched with the Aboriginals so there was no point |
21:37.52 | Hachiman | https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13876414_1053050511410411_8370997364862683152_n.jpg?oh=404d46926ad743dadd3d51d4d3eba695&oe=58249E90 |
21:37.59 | Imperios | Maybe it was just the local climate which was better suited for agriculture and stuff. Actually, did Maori do agriculture? |
21:38.02 | Hachiman | "You can see how pissed Trent is" |
21:38.06 | Wormy_ | From what I'm reading, they never even met |
21:39.15 | DrodoEmpire_ | Maori practiced agriculture I believe yes |
21:39.16 | Primisback | <PROTECTED> |
21:39.31 | DrodoEmpire_ | And yeah lots of strange stuff happened like that in history |
21:39.51 | DrodoEmpire_ | I would bring up GG&S but I don't have it with me- it has a good theory on stuff like this |
21:40.00 | Wormy_ | Maybe New Zealand's size meant they never felt the pressure to go beyond |
21:40.01 | Primisback | drodo |
21:40.21 | DrodoEmpire_ | Prim stop |
21:40.22 | DrodoEmpire_ | I posed |
21:40.24 | DrodoEmpire_ | *posted |
21:40.25 | Primisback | oh |
21:40.26 | Primisback | :P |
21:40.32 | DrodoEmpire_ | Bugging me won't make me go any faster |
21:40.50 | Wormy_ | Polynesians had colonised the Pacific islands but they were all small so probably filled up with people, inspiring a sea faring culture |
21:40.54 | Imperios | Yeah that's what I said |
21:40.58 | Imperios | *think |
21:41.00 | Primisback | oh |
21:41.05 | Primisback | i didn't know you posted :P |
21:41.09 | Imperios | New Zealand is huge compared to, say, Hawaii |
21:41.22 | Monet | Yeah. |
21:41.24 | DrodoEmpire_ | Yeah, and some polynesians regressed in technology, mostly because the local environment didn't allow them to maintain the tech they arrived with |
21:42.11 | DrodoEmpire_ | Also there *was* an instance of Maori going to other Islands- notably in 1836, where they arrived at an island which was like the one I described and massacred the inhabitants |
21:43.11 | Wormy_ | Its kind weird how they discovered New Zealand first over Australia in all the thousands of years they must have treavelled |
21:43.15 | Wormy_ | *travelled |
21:43.29 | DrodoEmpire_ | How do you mean? |
21:44.31 | DrodoEmpire_ | I mean, I know Papua New Guinea and Australia had limited proxy contact via islands set within a strait between them |
21:44.40 | DrodoEmpire_ | But it was pretty minor stuff |
21:45.37 | Wormy_ | Well its a matter of luck, but they might have gone West from Fiji and Samoa http://imgur.com/83vzS7F |
21:57.43 | DrodoEmpire_ | test |
22:04.37 | Monet | Reading you |
22:08.51 | Wormy_ | British special forces operating in Syria http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37013583 |
22:19.22 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Vaxoneons Oh boy, we finally have an alien race of [insert x here]s |
22:21.28 | DrodoEmpire_ | gud |
22:22.02 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature%3ASylit Also did a bit more work on the Sylit page |
22:22.12 | Hachiman | Still working on their history before I add to it |
22:22.26 | Hachiman | Right now what's there is a bit of a placeholder |
22:23.04 | Hachiman | Hopefully I should be ready to start updating Falco's other pages |
22:25.32 | Xho | Acolyte Dood - ready to convert pls |
22:25.58 | Technobliterator | I'll read these pages later |
22:26.11 | Technobliterator | Boat wifi is playing up atm |
22:26.33 | Technobliterator | oh, fuck |
22:26.51 | Technobliterator | I forgot to host the fictionverse read day |
22:27.51 | Monet | Git back on dry land. |
22:28.21 | DrodoEmpire_ | Yeah... |
22:28.34 | DrodoEmpire_ | Well we did talk on about the Silvan for a while, so that ws |
22:28.37 | DrodoEmpire_ | *was cool |
22:29.27 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: Remember this show? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNKUb9BacRk |
22:30.48 | Technobliterator | I will host it after my holiday |
22:31.54 | DrodoEmpire_ | kk |
22:32.06 | Hachiman | Wormy_: I do |
22:32.15 | Monet | Technobliterator: You're lucky. As posh as I make myself seem. I've only been abroad...three times in my life. |
22:32.24 | Hachiman | Fairly sure that PC Plum and Archie were gay for each other |
22:32.28 | Wormy_ | I only just learned Balamory wasn't a real place :( |
22:32.31 | Technobliterator | :o |
22:32.55 | Monet | No wait, four |
22:33.04 | Technobliterator | I go abroad normally once a year |
22:33.30 | Monet | I wondered about going up to Cali this year. |
22:34.27 | Technobliterator | I just love the weather out here |
22:34.40 | Wormy_ | Used to go abroad a lot more than I do now |
22:34.43 | Technobliterator | I always felt more suited to warmer environmentenvironments |
22:34.53 | Technobliterator | wtf is with this keyboard |
22:35.03 | Wormy_ | Was going to Berlin on a college trip but it got cancelled because not enough students bothered to pay a deposit |
22:35.08 | Monet | But I figured six-and-a-half months straight of project work = dude, just chill. Preparing a solo plane trip to California would just build stress |
22:35.17 | Technobliterator | Hachiman, great work on the page :o I always like how detailed you make them |
22:35.23 | Technobliterator | This seems rra |
22:35.33 | Technobliterator | really faithfu |
22:35.43 | Technobliterator | to Falco's work |
22:36.09 | Monet | Wormy_: I know the feeling. |
22:36.09 | Wormy_ | Yeah, it is great work |
22:38.45 | Monet | Hachiman: Loving the armours worn by Cycklos and Atrox. |
22:39.35 | Monet | Enjoying the detail. |
22:39.41 | Technobliterator | oh yeah the armor is fantastic |
22:40.05 | Monet | (I never really got to know the Sylits, sorry) |
22:40.30 | Hachiman | It's all cool |
22:41.40 | Technobliterator | The Sylits were involved in quite a bit of stuff back in the day |
22:41.46 | Technobliterator | But they had minor roles, and then after Annihilation they sorta vanished |
22:42.00 | Hachiman | Because Falco sorta vanished hu |
22:42.02 | Hachiman | hur |
22:42.10 | Technobliterator | Yup |
22:42.37 | Xho | Monet: This Kicath model is looking quite corpse like |
22:42.57 | Monet | Xho: Saw your bust upload. |
22:43.30 | Monet | Crest is one of the strongest parts so far |
22:44.11 | Monet | Remind me how many humanoid bodies have you made in zbrush? |
22:44.41 | Wormy_ | Weird "x gon give it to ya" appeared in my search engine |
22:45.08 | Wormy_ | Who the fuck is x and what does it want to do with me |
22:45.26 | Hachiman | olol |
22:45.27 | Hachiman | DMX |
22:45.48 | Xho | Not many |
22:45.49 | Hachiman | And by "gon give it to ya", he means, beat you the fuck up with his posse |
22:45.55 | Xho | The Kicath is the first full body |
22:46.13 | Wormy_ | Uh oh, I must have made enemies with the Hood |
22:46.33 | Monet | Xho: If you ever get stuck with getting their digits right I'd be happy to give pointers. |
22:48.03 | Xho | rite |
22:49.16 | Monet | I've decided I might delve into creature design professionally |
22:54.47 | Hachiman | Wormy_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39EdqUbj92U |
22:55.31 | Hachiman | Also I am glad that people like the armour on Cycklos and Atrox |
22:55.41 | Hachiman | Because I was worried they'd be kind of eyesore-ish |
22:56.14 | Monet | Nah they work well |
22:56.14 | Wormy_ | Oh good, Crash Course |
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23:00.56 | Wormy_ | hi |
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23:02.50 | MrRankings11 | Hi |
23:08.27 | Monet | hi |
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23:08.55 | MrRankings11_ | Hi |
23:34.15 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/8n4l5 heartworming story http://imgur.com/gallery/HoSKo |
23:38.12 | drom | Monet Hachiman: After growning extremely fustrated by how terrible the citizen AI in DF can be sometimes; I've been convinced to write up some fantasy fiction. |
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23:39.54 | Hachiman | drom: Nice |
23:39.59 | Hachiman | What kind of fiction? |
23:40.24 | Charles_Murray | DrodoEmpire Wormy_ Monet http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#At_a_Glance Thought of this |
23:40.33 | Tek0516 | Charles_Murray: Two years into this war and I'm still struggling against freaking Ecuador. |
23:40.43 | Charles_Murray | Tek0516 : Welp |
23:41.51 | Monet | Charles_Murray: Interesting element. |
23:42.07 | Tek0516 | Current state of the war https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9EpJgTuN/hoi4_4.png |
23:42.14 | Charles_Murray | More information to come as I think and make the symbols |
23:42.40 | Charles_Murray | Rule #1 of HoIIV: Never fight a war in South America. |
23:42.45 | Charles_Murray | Ever. |
23:42.55 | Monet | Seems like something other nations could use but I wonder if that might cause contention over who earns what accolade |
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23:43.33 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
23:43.34 | Charles_Murray | Monet : Oh these aren't accolades or achievements, but rather traits |
23:43.36 | Monet | Hi |
23:43.50 | Monet | Charles_Murray: That's the word. |
23:43.53 | ImpyDroid | Monet Wormy_: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Tok_Pisin_Road_Work_Warning_Sign.jpg The Papuan language |
23:43.58 | ImpyDroid | What are you talking about? |
23:43.58 | Charles_Murray | The fact that France won the GXS seriously impacts is strategic and political thinking |
23:43.59 | Tek0516 | Charles_Murray: It was 5 divisions to 1. It seemed like an easy victory. I wanted to try a South America game, but now I feel like every failed dictator in history. |
23:44.08 | Charles_Murray | Haaaaaah |
23:44.17 | Charles_Murray | ImpyDroid: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#At_a_Glance |
23:44.31 | Wormy_ | Definitely a great feature |
23:44.34 | Charles_Murray | Another trait I'm thinking for France is "Disjointed government" |
23:44.52 | Monet | Fight -against- SA, but never fight -In- it. |
23:44.58 | Tek0516 | Charles_Murray: So basically HoI4 national spirits. :P |
23:45.12 | Charles_Murray | Tek0516 : I HAVE BEEN REVEALED |
23:45.16 | Charles_Murray | Basically yes |
23:45.35 | Tek0516 | Monet: South American nation with no naval dockyards. Where else could I go? >.> |
23:45.53 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid: huh, sounds quite rhythmic |
23:45.55 | Charles_Murray | Monet : Anyone is absolutely free to use the template, and the symbols I put out |
23:46.15 | Monet | Tek0516: Dunno. Argentina? |
23:46.31 | Tek0516 | Fun fact, Peru and Ecuador actually did fight a war in the HOI4 timeframe. :P The contested state is in-game too, but none of the conflicting claims or the conflict itself is. :/ |
23:46.59 | drom | Hachiman: Well. Apparently it looks like it will be a fantasy-verse reboot of the 'Nomatarians' as the founding race. |
23:47.10 | Charles_Murray | What else should I have as an important French national spirit? |
23:47.25 | drom | Except everything else, will be inspirated by my experience in DF. |
23:47.54 | drom | Which gives me one question I could need an answer for. |
23:48.14 | drom | What kobolds and naga (snakemen) do exist in Koldewelt? |
23:48.24 | drom | As in, what kind(s)? |
23:49.26 | Monet | We have kobolds |
23:50.20 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire_ http://imgur.com/gallery/nxk4K |
23:50.40 | drom | Oh god |
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23:50.49 | DrodoEmpire_ | ayy lmao |
23:51.05 | Charles_Murray | DrodoEmpire_ http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#At_a_Glance |
23:51.14 | DrodoEmpire_ | Yep, looking now |
23:52.11 | drom | Hachiman Monet: http://i.imgur.com/ixezL6g.png Guess thrice |
23:53.25 | Monet | Is Jola a man or a woman? |
23:54.34 | drom | woman |
23:54.49 | Monet | I spy lesbianism. |
23:55.13 | drom | Monet, you've two guesses left |
23:55.32 | Monet | Oh |
23:55.46 | Tek0516 | Charles_Murray: jfc. Up to 134k casualties vs 50k now and got pushed back again. |
23:59.19 | Wormy_ | I love this http://imgur.com/gallery/S15xHRF |