| 00:03.05 | Wormy_ | "When in Rome" |
| 00:03.20 | Wormy_ | Apparently where this happened |
| 00:07.32 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 00:12.49 | Hachiman | Happened in Georgia |
| 00:16.55 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome,_Georgia ? |
| 00:17.30 | Wormy_ | Oh *that* Georgia *that* Rome |
| 00:25.42 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 00:27.35 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: Honestly though I'm not surprised Vsauce was involved |
| 00:27.51 | Wormy_ | I've watched his first videos |
| 00:38.54 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 00:39.08 | Wormy_ | goodnight |
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| 01:28.52 | Tek0516 | Hello DrodoEmpire |
| 01:30.23 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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| 08:20.52 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 08:46.38 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 08:46.57 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 08:53.21 | Ghelae | Reading your comments in the logs last night: your suggestions for clearing hyperspace fog sound a little like suggestions for diverting asteroids; either push it with explosions or pull it with gravity. |
| 08:54.44 | Ghelae | Although note that not all dark matter is hyperspace fog. Fog is viscous hypermatter, while superfluid hypermatter also acts as dark matter but is not an impediment to hyperspace travel. |
| 08:56.07 | Ghelae | Reading the hyperspace page, that isn't entirely clear. |
| 08:56.09 | Ghelae | fixes it |
| 08:58.29 | Wormy_ | I suspect there could be realspace causes of hypermatter too |
| 08:58.51 | Wormy_ | Perhaps hyperspace fog is our answer to "self-interacting" dark matter |
| 08:59.03 | Ghelae | You mean dark matter? Sure. Things like axions or sterile neutrinos might exist too. |
| 09:02.51 | Wormy_ | Sorry, yes I meant dark matter |
| 09:05.48 | Ghelae | If any type of dark matter is discovered in the real world, we'll presumably make it canon in the SporeWikiverse. And if the real-world dark matter turns out to be sufficient to account for all of the dark matter effect, we can say that the existence of hyperspace altered the initial conditions of the universe so that the amount of real-world dark matter produced is less and is replaced by hypermatter. |
| 09:06.04 | Ghelae | initial conditions of the SporeWikiverse* |
| 09:09.21 | Wormy_ | There's some evidence that dark matter could be self-interacting as it has been observed to not quite coalesce around the cores of galaxies, implying it can self-collide. Of course that doesn't imply anymore than one candidate of dark matter exists |
| 09:09.38 | Wormy_ | *that any more |
| 09:16.56 | Ghelae | Hyperspace fog would have that effect, yes. |
| 09:27.32 | Wormy_ | Remember the Sperwdorbuwkani? They would have to be a hyperspatial species. I remember in the Uncharted Expanse one idea was to exploire the possibility of life in hyperspace. |
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| 09:47.26 | Wormy_ | ooh a new paper http://constructortheory.org/portfolio/constructor-theory-thermodynamics/ |
| 09:49.07 | Ghelae | Well, the abstract sounds ambitious. |
| 09:49.35 | Ghelae | And yes, I suppose you're right: those dark-matter creatures would have to be hyperspatial. |
| 09:49.54 | Ghelae | Most likely. |
| 09:52.07 | Wormy_ | One idea in Uncharted Expanse was that hyperspace travel gets disrupted by a species ambivalent or unknowing of everyone-else by causing changes there |
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| 09:53.31 | Wormy_ | Not ambivalent... indifferent |
| 10:11.25 | Ghelae | Up to section 2.1 now. Taking a break. Basically so far the argument has been that constructor theory provides exact definitions of a macrostate (renamed "attribute") and a thermodynamic system (renamed "constructor") that thermodynamics lacks. |
| 10:16.06 | Wormy_ | Does it explain those definitions or merely state they exist and reshuffle the terms? |
| 10:16.21 | Wormy_ | (haven't read that far yet) |
| 10:19.32 | Ghelae | Arguably it does define them. The reshuffling of terms just seems to be the fact that the words "constructor" and "attribute" were used in constructor theory before they were applied to thermodynamics. |
| 10:21.04 | Wormy_ | Okay, yes. They have published several papers beforehand to build a basis for constructors. |
| 10:29.48 | Wormy_ | "Thus, constructor theory is not just a framework (such as resource theory, (Coecke et. al., 2014), or category theory (Abramsky & Coecke, 2009)) for reformulating existing theories: it also has new laws of its own." |
| 10:45.11 | Wormy_ | bbl |
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| 10:56.53 | dino82_ | hi |
| 10:57.55 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:02.02 | Ghelae | Wormy_away: in section 2.1, the author tries to argue that time-reversal symmetry is consistent with the opposite of a possible task being impossible, by distinguishing between tasks and processes. I'm not sure the distinction would convince everybody, but it looks self-consistent. |
| 11:02.35 | Ghelae | Section 3 is more definitions. |
| 11:13.35 | Ghelae | Section 4 doesn't really explain anything, but redescribes conservation laws and "laws of impotence" (e.g. montonic increase in entropy) in constructor-theoretic terms. The distinction between processes and tasks is put to use to derive the finiteness of energy. |
| 11:23.51 | Ghelae | Section 5 is about doing something similar to what was done in section 2, by providing exact definitions of work and adiabatic accessibility that thermodynamics lacks. |
| 11:27.26 | Ghelae | Section 6 starts off with a definition of a "quasi-heat variable", and this definition is basically that it has the time-reversibility-but-not-task-reversibility from section 2.1. I'll continue reading later. |
| 11:55.38 | dino82_ | :d |
| 12:07.28 | Ghelae | Well, in conclusion: while I see no reason to doubt that constructor theory provides a rigorous definition of many concepts and laws which are expressed inexactly in thermodynamics, I'm not convinced it actually solves the "problem". |
| 12:08.50 | Ghelae | Namely, it doesn't explain why real-world systems act as heat media. That, as it says, is down to "subsidiary theories"... but the issue expressed in the first section is that these theories *don't* provide such an explanation. |
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| 12:24.19 | Hachiman | That fucking feel when the Necromancer is on 5 / 150 HP and he wipes your entire party because the only member of your party who knows healing cannot perform AOE heal spells |
| 12:24.25 | Hachiman | Actually fucking mad |
| 12:31.17 | Wormy_ | Okay, I'm back. I'll read Ghel's posts |
| 12:34.02 | Wormy_ | Okay thanks for summarising those sections, they had mathematical equations which are beyond my skills of figuring out. And your conclusion seems reasonable |
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| 14:58.08 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 15:07.33 | dino82_ | hi |
| 15:15.47 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 15:36.34 | Monet | Hello |
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| 16:05.31 | OluapPlayer | spu |
| 16:05.52 | Xho | u |
| 16:06.19 | Xho | Hachiman: I saw your comment on Meshuggah's post, boy you got rekt m8 |
| 16:06.29 | Hachiman | ;-; |
| 16:07.23 | Xho | So they released a small clip |
| 16:07.29 | Xho | my body is not ready |
| 16:07.36 | Hachiman | Oh boy |
| 16:07.54 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au5ix3aL2xM |
| 16:10.17 | Xho | The mix sounds like Chaosphere |
| 16:10.57 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 16:16.47 | Xho | Well I pre-ordered the Limited Edition |
| 16:21.00 | Wormy_away | brb restarting compurer |
| 16:26.55 | Tek0516 | I just went to an Air and Space museum, which has this neat Star Trek exhibit right now. Costumes, props, even a full Enterprise-D bridge recreation. |
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| 17:01.55 | Xho | Hachiman: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=738173252 |
| 17:02.05 | Hachiman | olo |
| 17:02.06 | Hachiman | olol |
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| 17:25.02 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 17:45.27 | OluapPlayer | Xho: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/961/586/c14.jpg outsmart boolet |
| 17:46.08 | Xho | DANK |
| 17:46.11 | Xho | I mean |
| 17:46.12 | Xho | dank |
| 17:50.00 | Tek0516 | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tVz3FJhP/20160805_110800.jpg This place had a full model of the Enterprise-D bridge. |
| 17:53.03 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow |
| 18:02.05 | Tek0516 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1470411266-20160805.png |
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| 18:02.46 | Monet | Hi |
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| 18:03.11 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 18:03.50 | Monet | Hello |
| 18:04.15 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 18:05.53 | DrodoEmpire | Hi Monet |
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| 18:13.29 | Imperios | hi |
| 18:13.41 | Monet | Hi |
| 18:13.45 | Imperios | Xho Monet: https://pp.vk.me/c626123/v626123822/1e2cb/o3laW0pdX-w.jpg Brilliant |
| 18:14.51 | Xho | #CENSORSHIP |
| 18:17.48 | Wormy_ | You never know when you might need a wrecked Schooner https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/06/12/maritime-law-states-throwing-a-rope-on-an-abandoned-vessel-allows-you-to-claim-it-as-your-own/ |
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| 18:37.56 | OluapPlayer | Boring ass day today |
| 18:42.35 | Monet | Wasn't for me |
| 18:45.55 | Monet | I saw sharks today. |
| 18:46.10 | Wormy_ | I got some some cash today dog walking |
| 18:47.27 | Monet | Nice |
| 18:47.30 | Imperios | Ji |
| 18:47.31 | Imperios | Hi |
| 18:47.37 | Imperios | Charles_Bot: https://pp.vk.me/c626123/v626123822/1e2cb/o3laW0pdX-w.jpg |
| 18:53.37 | Monet | I remember hearing long ago octopi only have a skull |
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| 18:54.05 | Monet | the aquarium tells me they have m no bones at all |
| 18:55.16 | Wormy_ | Only cartilage |
| 18:55.28 | Monet | Yeah |
| 18:55.58 | Monet | great for keeping their shape and squeezing into tiny spaces |
| 19:00.10 | Imperios | Monet: They're invertebrates |
| 19:00.22 | Imperios | The only "bone" they have is the remains of their shell |
| 19:00.28 | Imperios | Which is basically their skull yeah |
| 19:00.36 | Imperios | But it's not technically "bone" |
| 19:00.51 | Imperios | It's just a shell that is inside their bodies |
| 19:00.55 | Monet | It's cartilage |
| 19:01.06 | Monet | Right? |
| 19:02.15 | Imperios | It's... what are mollusk shells made of? |
| 19:02.23 | Imperios | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Cuttlefish-Cuttlebone2.jpg Does that count as a skull? |
| 19:02.49 | OluapPlayer | "It has no internal or external skeleton (although some species have a vestigial remnant of a shell inside their mantles)" |
| 19:03.10 | Ghelaway | I wouldn't call it a "skull", but I suppose loosely the word almost works. |
| 19:03.20 | Ghelaway | And it's made, like all mollusc shells, of calcium carbonate. |
| 19:04.10 | OluapPlayer | The chitin beak is the only hard body part of an octopus |
| 19:04.27 | Xho | >chitin |
| 19:04.29 | Xho | boog |
| 19:04.36 | Monet | Right. |
| 19:05.04 | Ghelaway | There's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladius_(cephalopod) for some other cephalopods, and that's also chitin. |
| 19:05.51 | Ghelaway | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrate_shell is cartilage. |
| 19:06.10 | Ghelaway | And the cuttlebone is calcium carbonate, but that's for cuttlefish only. |
| 19:09.30 | Monet | Which iirc are a little closer to ammonites, or shrimp |
| 19:10.27 | Wormy_ | Monet: Sorry I read you completely wrong, I thought you was taking about sharks |
| 19:10.37 | Wormy_ | talking |
| 19:10.51 | Xho | Monet: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/59/KicathBodyProgress.png/revision/latest?cb=20160805191032 "Hi my name's Agent Chi" |
| 19:11.09 | OluapPlayer | hudda |
| 19:13.23 | Hachiman | Wormy_ http://www.vhemt.org/ Check this out, I thought it was joke-y and satire at first but it's got a fair number of well-thought out points |
| 19:14.18 | Monet | Wormy: I mentioned sharks but moved to octopi |
| 19:15.04 | Monet | Xho: keen to see how he ends up |
| 19:15.08 | Wormy_ | "Earthâs biosphere will be allowed to return to its former glory, and all remaining creatures will be free to live, die, evolve (if they believe in evolution)" |
| 19:15.10 | Wormy_ | umm no |
| 19:15.36 | Monet | Wat |
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| 19:17.19 | Luxor | Watching big bang theory is not very satisfying today |
| 19:17.47 | Hachiman | When is Big Bag Theory ever satisfying |
| 19:17.48 | Wormy_ | They also make a claim that their philosophy runs as deep as the Ice Ages |
| 19:18.10 | Hachiman | Wormy_ Keep in mind that there is some humour on the site |
| 19:18.29 | Luxor | And: do we have any completed history of Homo Sapiens in FU? |
| 19:18.33 | Wormy_ | I think it may be an example of Poe's Law |
| 19:18.44 | Luxor | Or is it a mess *like many other things* |
| 19:20.08 | Ghelaway | It's not as much of a mess as some things are: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Humanity#History |
| 19:20.08 | Monet | Right be warned i'm now travelling and my connection is about to become like Enron's stock value |
| 19:20.32 | Ghelaway | We do have a lack of details for most of the time between the 22nd and 28th centuries, though. |
| 19:21.13 | Ghelaway | Oh, there's the Human Colonial Wars in the 23rd century. |
| 19:21.44 | Ghelaway | There's a bit more on that here: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#23rd_Century |
| 19:21.53 | Luxor | The most funny thing is that I don't want to read that |
| 19:22.12 | Luxor | But I'm forced to if I am to implement Polan |
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| 19:23.08 | Hachiman | Imperios: So, Shoe tackled the topic of domestic abuse against men in her latest video |
| 19:23.20 | Imperios | Yeah I saw that |
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| 19:26.20 | Wormy_ | Earth was abandoned in the 26th century too, for mysterious reasons |
| 19:26.53 | Wormy_ | Possibly the Demon Eye thing got unleashed and killed everyone |
| 19:26.56 | Luxor | If anyone would be interested, I'd like to share my idea of paralel universe heavily dependent on 'real' Universe and vice versa, which would be critical for my fiction :I |
| 19:27.25 | Wormy_ | go for it |
| 19:27.55 | Hachiman | Don't quite understand what you're saying but alright |
| 19:28.27 | Luxor | uh oh, lag? |
| 19:28.33 | Luxor | oh, didn't send. |
| 19:28.54 | Luxor | Okay, so the current name (in eng.) would be 'Havoc' (temporary) |
| 19:29.05 | Luxor | imho this name sounds at least dumb |
| 19:29.16 | Luxor | but represents it's nature quite well. |
| 19:29.19 | Hachiman | I mean, why do you need a parallel universe |
| 19:29.43 | Luxor | *to drive the action, yet not in means of visiting it* |
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| 19:30.26 | Luxor | backstory: *Old empire, not enough power >electricity<, needs more power, opens gates to 'Red Realm', takes energy from it to fuel civilization. |
| 19:30.55 | Luxor | But, energy of 'Havoc' and 'Universe' must be always equal |
| 19:31.30 | Luxor | so if the energy balance is broken, mass from 'Universe' is consumed to set off the lack of energy in H. |
| 19:31.54 | Luxor | by *Old empire* i mean sth that existed 3 bilion years ago |
| 19:32.07 | Luxor | and thought it would be a good idea. |
| 19:32.42 | Luxor | in some cases, habitated planets were 'consumes', yet inhabitants somehow were not transferred into energy. |
| 19:33.19 | Luxor | these inhabitants were altered and breached the gates of universes to slaughter the ones who opened H and in result 'killed' them. |
| 19:33.45 | Hachiman | So, Doom |
| 19:33.49 | Luxor | Empire ppl called them 'Condemned' and closed the energy gate. |
| 19:34.05 | Luxor | Sadly this empire was torn apart by civil war and slaves uprisings |
| 19:34.21 | Luxor | resulting in total entropy increase in means of civilizations amount by this time. |
| 19:34.22 | DrodoEmpire_ | So it uses this other realm or universe to extract energy, is the gist |
| 19:34.32 | Luxor | Yes. |
| 19:34.32 | DrodoEmpire_ | I only skimmed >.< |
| 19:34.35 | DrodoEmpire_ | Well... |
| 19:34.41 | Luxor | and energies MUST BE EQUAL |
| 19:34.42 | DrodoEmpire_ | There's already methods to do similar stuff |
| 19:34.54 | Luxor | or, as Hachi said, 'DOOM' |
| 19:35.31 | Luxor | we're talking about an empire of irrational people who do not think using logic |
| 19:35.31 | DrodoEmpire_ | Hyperspace isn't the *exact* same thing but a very similar concept, in that hypermatter is sometimes used as a power source and I think waste energy is often vented out in to hyperspace as a dumping ground |
| 19:36.11 | DrodoEmpire_ | Also if the energy levels must remain equal, then does that not defeat the purpose? :p |
| 19:36.12 | DrodoEmpire_ | I mean |
| 19:36.25 | DrodoEmpire_ | The energy from the other universe *could* be like hyperdense and easier to use |
| 19:36.28 | DrodoEmpire_ | But still |
| 19:36.35 | Luxor | The trick is that big amount of our Universe is locked in matter. |
| 19:36.35 | DrodoEmpire_ | Or something like that |
| 19:36.38 | Ghelaway | Hypermatter power doesn't arbitrarily have to remain constant. |
| 19:36.48 | DrodoEmpire_ | Right |
| 19:36.48 | Luxor | *of universe's energy |
| 19:37.10 | Luxor | so it's like using planets to get energy. By destroying them. |
| 19:37.18 | Luxor | In a specific way. |
| 19:37.35 | Hachiman | Ironically, you use more energy destroying planets than you do gather it from them |
| 19:37.50 | DrodoEmpire_ | Ohh yes |
| 19:38.09 | DrodoEmpire_ | The amount of energy it'd take to annihilate a planet, is utterly mind-boggling |
| 19:38.29 | Ghelaway | In the sense that gravitational binding energy > possible kinetic energy, yes. |
| 19:38.30 | DrodoEmpire_ | *Especially* if it was anything *close* to the spectacular Alderaan explosion in SW |
| 19:38.37 | Luxor | When the balance is broken, planets aren't 'destroyed'. |
| 19:38.53 | Luxor | H-rifts open near big accumulations of matter. |
| 19:38.53 | Ghelaway | If you're perfectly willing to violate a load of other conservation laws and turn their mass directly into useable energy, it's fine. |
| 19:39.30 | Luxor | I didn't think it was a problem since FU already violates many as far as I know. |
| 19:39.57 | Ghelaway | Not exactly. It uses hyperspace as a sink/source that's practically unlimited. |
| 19:40.02 | Luxor | but I wasn't very critical regarding that, since when constructing the concept I didn't see problems with physics. |
| 19:40.41 | Luxor | Perhaps I didn't explain the concept well, that might be an issue too. |
| 19:40.58 | Ghelaway | Although let's imagine the simplest case that planets are simply moved from one universe to the other in order to maintain the balance of energy. |
| 19:41.24 | Ghelaway | That wouldn't seem to violate conservation laws. It may be destructive if the planets are pulled through a little bit at a time to match the power going the other way. |
| 19:41.31 | Luxor | Yes! That's what I meant. |
| 19:41.43 | Luxor | So the second issue made that unclear. |
| 19:42.45 | Luxor | So basically this civilization disassembled objects using paralel realm in order to get energy. |
| 19:43.32 | Luxor | Though, they quite fast realized that was a retarded idea after Empire's capital was transferred into energy. |
| 19:43.49 | Ghelaway | I can comment on the physics if you like, but I imagine you might want other kinds of input that other people might provide. |
| 19:44.44 | Luxor | The whole Lore of this Empire was meant to be a FU contribution, but building it's history wouldn't be very hard alone. |
| 19:46.29 | Luxor | But still, regarding Lore of the entire idea: this Empire decided to hide the five beacons which opened the gate (hidding in planets and stars cores), leaving one Warden to guard each beacon (tower). |
| 19:47.16 | Luxor | Their only task was to defend towers at all costs. |
| 19:48.26 | Luxor | And the fact that one of them failed, drives the action. |
| 19:48.44 | Luxor | Perhaps using Titanpad would be better idea.* |
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| 20:11.03 | Monet | Hi |
| 20:11.30 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 20:17.14 | Monet | Saw something about Pele dropping out as an Olympics spokesman |
| 20:17.45 | Monet | pulling out of the opening ceremony |
| 20:21.25 | Wormy_ | When is that on? |
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| 20:24.27 | Monet | Not sure |
| 20:24.35 | Monet | Hi |
| 20:24.58 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 20:26.57 | Monet | Rio organisers are currently looking for a replacement star |
| 20:27.24 | Tybusen | God these olympics are going to be a massive disaster aren't they |
| 20:28.49 | Monet | We'll have to see |
| 20:29.08 | Monet | Pele is a big name |
| 20:29.41 | Tybusen | for you |
| 20:29.48 | Wormy_ | I just want to see Chris Froome ride in it |
| 20:30.08 | Wormy_ | Oh and Mark Cavendish and Bradley Wiggins |
| 20:30.28 | Monet | Tybusen: for football |
| 20:31.40 | Tybusen | If I take those shin guards off will you die? |
| 20:33.51 | Monet | Probably not |
| 20:34.37 | Hachiman | Tybusen: It would be extremely painful |
| 20:36.57 | Tybusen | Well, congratulations, you're hosting the 2016 Olympics. Now what's the next step of your master plan? |
| 20:38.04 | Monet | We used a double-decker and the Queen last time. Can't use them again so soon |
| 20:39.02 | Hachiman | Tybusen: Crashing these games with no survivors |
| 20:39.24 | Monet | Also English footballers suck |
| 20:41.09 | Monet | Romney's a chimpanzee and Beckham's making more money with cologne and underwear than kicking a ball |
| 20:42.45 | Monet | Wait Romney? I meant Rooney |
| 20:42.59 | The_Randomness | lol |
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| 20:43.59 | Monet | Romney plays soccer -> slips a disk falls over and sues the ball |
| 20:51.30 | Xho | profit |
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| 21:03.00 | Xho | double random |
| 21:03.01 | Xho | pls no |
| 21:04.12 | Inquisitribble | freenode y |
| 21:04.43 | Xho | keks aplenty |
| 21:21.53 | Wormy_ | Gonna watch Godzilla, the new one |
| 21:22.16 | Wormy_ | I suspect this one won't try and make me feel sorry for it at the end |
| 21:25.10 | Wormy_ | Monet: If you are interested its on tonight at midnight http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/36974387 |
| 21:38.38 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: So I just watched Skallagrim's video on how pointless it is to argue about X historical warrior vs. Y historical warrior, in this case, Samurai vs. European knight, due to how diverse the martial arts styles they used were and how you cannot exactly measure fitness and skill when you factor those in with everything else |
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| 21:47.07 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 21:53.46 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 21:55.36 | Monet | hi |
| 21:56.59 | DrodoEmpire_ | Hachiman: Right |
| 21:57.04 | DrodoEmpire_ | (Sorry, was busy) |
| 21:57.09 | DrodoEmpire_ | And... Eh, yeah, he's right |
| 21:57.15 | DrodoEmpire_ | waaaay too much goes in to it |
| 21:57.20 | DrodoEmpire_ | And every individual's different |
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| 21:58.31 | DrodoEmpire_ | Its easier to discuss whether the 16th century French army would beat the 16th century Japanese army, as an example. as that has more factors in it that can be accounted for |
| 21:58.42 | DrodoEmpire_ | (though that scenario itself's extremely vague and pointless) |
| 21:58.43 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 21:59.08 | ImpyDroid | The French probably would win |
| 21:59.17 | Hachiman | Oh hi Charles |
| 21:59.19 | ImpyDroid | Though that depends on the situation |
| 21:59.25 | ImpyDroid | BLAST |
| 21:59.31 | DrodoEmpire_ | Depends entirely on the situation |
| 21:59.45 | DrodoEmpire_ | Neither country had much of a capability or want to invade the other |
| 21:59.59 | Hachiman | Duels are a very difficult thing to base an entire class of soldiers' worth on when pitted against one another in reality |
| 22:00.03 | DrodoEmpire_ | ^ |
| 22:00.07 | ImpyDroid | J'A ETE APPRIS |
| 22:00.15 | DrodoEmpire_ | Wars and battles aren't duels, and that's a huge thing |
| 22:00.19 | ImpyDroid | disappears in the shadows chuckling |
| 22:00.23 | ImpyDroid | *cackling |
| 22:00.39 | ImpyDroid | *J'AI ETE APPRIS |
| 22:00.42 | Hachiman | honhonhon baguette chardonnay wine |
| 22:00.58 | DrodoEmpire_ | A mob of strong individual fighters will be blown away by a group of relatively unskilled soldiers who know how to fight as a group, in formation, with a strong leader at the front or back of them |
| 22:01.01 | Tybusen | World's best spear fighter beats a poorly trained modern infantryman in a duel, therefore spearmen are superior to marines |
| 22:01.21 | The_Randomness | seems legit |
| 22:01.26 | ImpyDroid | That also depends on the people in charge |
| 22:01.32 | DrodoEmpire_ | Indeed |
| 22:01.38 | ImpyDroid | Japan at the 16th century... right remind me |
| 22:01.43 | ImpyDroid | It was unified already right? |
| 22:01.46 | DrodoEmpire_ | No |
| 22:01.50 | Hachiman | non |
| 22:01.53 | DrodoEmpire_ | Early 17th century was when it was |
| 22:01.58 | DrodoEmpire_ | Now actually |
| 22:02.04 | ImpyDroid | Okay then France win by the virtue of having an absolute monarchy |
| 22:02.09 | DrodoEmpire_ | France 1600 and Japan 1600 is a much fairer comparison |
| 22:02.24 | ImpyDroid | And being actually capable of mustering forces better |
| 22:02.39 | Hachiman | I mean, Japan was *barely* unified when it invaded Korea and look how that almost turned out |
| 22:02.56 | ImpyDroid | The Sun King smacks everyone to death |
| 22:03.03 | ImpyDroid | But the French aren't Koreans |
| 22:03.07 | ImpyDroid | They do not suck at fighting |
| 22:03.08 | DrodoEmpire_ | Yeah, Japan was a very capable state militarily |
| 22:03.10 | ImpyDroid | Not so much |
| 22:03.20 | DrodoEmpire_ | And fairly modern technologically at 1600 |
| 22:03.27 | ImpyDroid | You take a country that barely even waged war at all |
| 22:03.36 | Tybusen | Hideyoshi Toyotomi - I'm gonna punch korea in the face |
| 22:03.38 | ImpyDroid | And a country that fucking attacked everyone every century |
| 22:03.44 | Tybusen | Admiral Yi - lol but turtle ships tho |
| 22:03.53 | DrodoEmpire_ | So a French *army* and a Japanese *army* is a fairer comparison, perhaps |
| 22:04.03 | DrodoEmpire_ | But still not very useful and still hard o determine |
| 22:04.04 | ImpyDroid | Then again |
| 22:04.21 | Hachiman | Japan was a very capable state militarily whether unified or not considering that feudal Japan is perhaps *the* most common image of what a "warrior culture" is considering they spent around two centuries or more *constantly* fighting one another |
| 22:04.29 | DrodoEmpire_ | ^ |
| 22:04.38 | ImpyDroid | Japan had superior firearms and was probably one of the first to arm their forces with them |
| 22:04.45 | ImpyDroid | As in |
| 22:04.47 | DrodoEmpire_ | Uhh |
| 22:04.49 | DrodoEmpire_ | No |
| 22:04.51 | Hachiman | wat |
| 22:04.55 | Tybusen | Definitely not |
| 22:04.55 | Hachiman | What is China |
| 22:04.56 | ImpyDroid | Blrg my bad |
| 22:05.00 | ImpyDroid | You misunderstood me |
| 22:05.03 | DrodoEmpire_ | I think also they crucially integrated modern technology in to their armies |
| 22:05.14 | DrodoEmpire_ | They *were* an eager adopter of firearms |
| 22:05.16 | ImpyDroid | I mean entire armies armed with guns |
| 22:05.19 | DrodoEmpire_ | And competent in their usage |
| 22:05.22 | DrodoEmpire_ | Still no |
| 22:05.38 | DrodoEmpire_ | Europe had that during the 1500s |
| 22:05.39 | ImpyDroid | What were these peasant guys with Raiden hats called |
| 22:05.43 | Tybusen | The stuff that they got was a bunch of Dutch secondhands but they actually used them |
| 22:05.44 | Hachiman | Ashigaru |
| 22:05.46 | DrodoEmpire_ | Ashgaru |
| 22:05.47 | Hachiman | They were peasant soldiers |
| 22:05.49 | ImpyDroid | Yes them |
| 22:05.50 | DrodoEmpire_ | *Ashigaru |
| 22:05.54 | DrodoEmpire_ | And yes you're still wrong |
| 22:06.00 | Hachiman | And Samurai *still* used guns as well |
| 22:06.02 | DrodoEmpire_ | Because Europe was doing essentially the same thing |
| 22:06.17 | ImpyDroid | Alrighty then, my bad, but my point still stands, Japan had better guns at the time probably |
| 22:06.23 | DrodoEmpire_ | Uh |
| 22:06.30 | ImpyDroid | Also China did not have *guns* per se |
| 22:06.34 | ImpyDroid | They had hand cannons |
| 22:06.37 | Tybusen | 1600s samurai were probably using bows and guns more than their swords |
| 22:06.45 | DrodoEmpire_ | This is a baseless assertion, for which you have no evidence for Impy |
| 22:06.51 | DrodoEmpire_ | That their guns were superior |
| 22:06.59 | DrodoEmpire_ | For sure, they were at least as good as European weapons |
| 22:07.12 | ImpyDroid | Wasn't Japan one of the largest producers of firearms at that point? |
| 22:07.16 | DrodoEmpire_ | Yes |
| 22:07.20 | ImpyDroid | There were lots of them at least |
| 22:07.25 | Tybusen | Japan almost certainly did not have *better* guns than the Europeans because most of what they had at that time was based on the European stuff |
| 22:07.26 | Hachiman | Yeah, but that doesn't mean their guns were better than anyone else's |
| 22:07.28 | ImpyDroid | And I believe they improved on the European design |
| 22:07.49 | DrodoEmpire_ | They may've refined the tanegashima |
| 22:08.19 | DrodoEmpire_ | But it remained a tanegashima while the Europeans moved on to flintlock guns, and later rifles, and later breechloading rifiles |
| 22:08.20 | DrodoEmpire_ | *rifles |
| 22:08.22 | DrodoEmpire_ | It stagnated |
| 22:08.25 | ImpyDroid | Fair point |
| 22:08.42 | Hachiman | Their gun industry stagnated because they were an isolated, xenophobic culture |
| 22:08.42 | ImpyDroid | What kind of firearm was used in the 16th century in Europe, remind me? |
| 22:08.52 | DrodoEmpire_ | A matchlock long gun |
| 22:08.56 | DrodoEmpire_ | Known as an arquebus |
| 22:08.56 | ImpyDroid | Right |
| 22:09.05 | ImpyDroid | These are at least evenly matched |
| 22:09.10 | DrodoEmpire_ | That's what the Japanese used until the Meiji era |
| 22:09.13 | DrodoEmpire_ | Technologically yes |
| 22:09.16 | ImpyDroid | Right my point still stands |
| 22:09.22 | DrodoEmpire_ | In this pie-in-the-sky scenario |
| 22:09.23 | ImpyDroid | Japan has gun-related advantages |
| 22:09.30 | DrodoEmpire_ | No |
| 22:09.39 | DrodoEmpire_ | Japan *also* used arquebuses |
| 22:09.46 | ImpyDroid | Via numbers? |
| 22:09.47 | DrodoEmpire_ | Just *their* type of arquebus |
| 22:09.52 | DrodoEmpire_ | Not necessarily/ |
| 22:09.53 | DrodoEmpire_ | *? |
| 22:10.05 | Hachiman | Consider France is larger than Japan by like several dozen times |
| 22:10.13 | ImpyDroid | France has organisation-related advantages |
| 22:10.36 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: I think Japan is pretty big actually if you take all the islands into account |
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| 22:10.50 | The_Randomness | wtf freenode |
| 22:10.55 | Hachiman | Not anywhere near as big as say France though |
| 22:11.00 | The_Randomness | suddenly I see my client get flooded |
| 22:11.10 | ImpyDroid | It is smaller but not overwhelmingly smaller |
| 22:11.15 | ImpyDroid | Like 1,5 times or so |
| 22:11.16 | Wormydroid | With pings? |
| 22:11.19 | The_Randomness | no |
| 22:11.23 | The_Randomness | just normal messages |
| 22:11.24 | ImpyDroid | Okay since Japan did not own Okinawa at the time |
| 22:11.28 | ImpyDroid | Like two times smaller |
| 22:11.29 | The_Randomness | It was as if I was lagging super hard |
| 22:11.36 | The_Randomness | And I've only been having issues with freenode |
| 22:11.36 | ImpyDroid | It is an inhibition but it did not stop Brits |
| 22:11.47 | Wormydroid | Weird |
| 22:11.59 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: Alrighty then, what other factors do we have in mind? |
| 22:12.22 | ImpyDroid | France has better organisation, weapon-wise they are evenly matched |
| 22:12.28 | ImpyDroid | Actually in terms of melee weaponry |
| 22:12.33 | ImpyDroid | Japan's iron sucks |
| 22:12.33 | Hachiman | I think one thing that has to be taken into consideration when pitting 1600 France to 1600 Japan were the generals and military officials that were in active service at the time |
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| 22:12.39 | Hachiman | I think one thing that has to be taken into consideration when pitting 1600 France to 1600 Japan were the generals and military officials that were in active service at the time |
| 22:12.40 | DrodoEmpire | What was last said? |
| 22:12.54 | DrodoEmpire | Also- Impy you're making a lot of unsupported assertions |
| 22:12.58 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: Hachiman asked if general's and rulers are to be considered for the scenario |
| 22:13.14 | Hachiman | [23:11] <ImpyDroid> DrodoEmpire: Alrighty then, what other factors do we have in mind? France has better organisation, weapon-wise they are evenly matched. Actually in terms of melee weaponry, Japan's iron sucks |
| 22:13.17 | Monet | France was larger as it had access to far more of its land than Japan did. |
| 22:13.20 | DrodoEmpire | *how* does Japan have some gun advantage? How and why does France have some organisationa advantage? |
| 22:13.33 | DrodoEmpire | Right, thanks guys |
| 22:13.41 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: By the virtue of being united under an absolute monarchy? |
| 22:13.41 | DrodoEmpire | Well guys to be honest |
| 22:13.52 | ImpyDroid | Whereas Japan was a bit chaotic at the time |
| 22:14.10 | Hachiman | Japan knows its iron sucks; that's why they use special folding techniques and fold grorious nippon steeru a gorirrion times |
| 22:14.17 | DrodoEmpire | The biggest things that affect this are relatively mundane areas like... Well, the battlefield, supply lines, time of day, etc. |
| 22:14.24 | DrodoEmpire | Which army has the sun in its eyes |
| 22:14.27 | Monet | Every nation folds steel. |
| 22:14.46 | Monet | Japanese smiths just repeat the folding a little more. |
| 22:14.55 | DrodoEmpire | Most things here are already equal, and its important not to overstate advantages or disadvantages |
| 22:15.06 | DrodoEmpire | The steel isn't a big deal, at the end of the day |
| 22:15.07 | Hachiman | I know, I was making a joke, but as far as I know Japanese smithed their iron a little differently due to iron availability and effectiveness |
| 22:15.36 | ImpyDroid | Yeah their metallurgy was refined but it cannot exactly account for poor metal |
| 22:15.50 | ImpyDroid | compensate even |
| 22:16.01 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: Actually wait, 1600 |
| 22:16.03 | ImpyDroid | Not 1700 |
| 22:16.09 | Hachiman | Yes, 1600 |
| 22:16.09 | ImpyDroid | Forget what I said about organisation |
| 22:16.17 | DrodoEmpire | They both have roughly the same amount of guns, similar-ish tactics (formations of pikes supporting firearms, etc.) |
| 22:17.10 | ImpyDroid | The shortages of metal though can still be problematic for Japan |
| 22:17.30 | Hachiman | How so? It's never really served as a problem for them before |
| 22:17.53 | Monet | Among themselves, no. |
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| 22:18.03 | Hachiman | [23:17] <ImpyDroid> The shortages of metal though can still be problematic for Japan |
| 22:18.04 | DrodoEmpire_ | Fucking hell, internet |
| 22:18.07 | DrodoEmpire_ | Anyway |
| 22:18.08 | Hachiman | [23:17] <Hachiman> How so? It's never really served as a problem for them before |
| 22:18.14 | Hachiman | [23:17] <Monet> Among themselves, no. |
| 22:18.17 | DrodoEmpire_ | Yeah maybe, but this is all not really relevan |
| 22:18.18 | DrodoEmpire_ | *t |
| 22:18.21 | ImpyDroid | Yes but the amounts of metal somewhat affected their capacities for creating, say, armour |
| 22:18.22 | Monet | When threatened by China or Europe, Japan had its mountains. |
| 22:18.32 | ImpyDroid | Monet: or rather its seas |
| 22:18.41 | ImpyDroid | It is Korea that has its mountains |
| 22:18.45 | Hachiman | As the Mongols would tell you |
| 22:18.47 | DrodoEmpire_ | We've already ruled out the scenario of a campaign as absurd, guys |
| 22:18.49 | DrodoEmpire_ | :/ |
| 22:18.50 | ImpyDroid | North Korea still uses them for that reason |
| 22:18.52 | Monet | Both were an advantage |
| 22:19.02 | DrodoEmpire_ | Anyway, |
| 22:19.03 | Tybusen | And Japan's penchant for having convenient stormy seasons |
| 22:19.13 | ImpyDroid | Actually imagine North Korea falling |
| 22:19.27 | ImpyDroid | And the DPRK government hiding in the mountains as partisans |
| 22:19.30 | Hachiman | But yes, I had a similar discussion with Drodo a while ago regarding a Scandinavian invasion of Japan and even then the result was similar to this; a campaign would be absurd to maintain and supply |
| 22:19.52 | ImpyDroid | Teleport Japan to Iceland |
| 22:19.56 | ImpyDroid | There we go interesting |
| 22:20.03 | ImpyDroid | Though yeah robbing the Japanese is no use |
| 22:20.15 | Hachiman | Or rather, a scenario that the Great Heathen Army invaded Japan |
| 22:20.28 | ImpyDroid | Vikings go rob Japan, get gorillion forded swords up their assessment |
| 22:20.32 | DrodoEmpire_ | My final word is this- Both sides are pretty evenly matched, so its a wash. Like most battles, the victor would go to who has the terrain and weather advantage, who has the better-fed and rested troops on the day of battle, what *time* of day it is, and who had the intiative/circumstances of the fight |
| 22:20.35 | ImpyDroid | plunder I say |
| 22:20.50 | DrodoEmpire_ | And, of course, which army has the sun in its eyes |
| 22:20.54 | DrodoEmpire_ | <.< |
| 22:20.58 | Monet | lol |
| 22:21.04 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Wasn't the Great Heathen Army Baltic? |
| 22:21.11 | Hachiman | I thought it was Viking? |
| 22:21.19 | ImpyDroid | Oh wait no, got confused here |
| 22:21.20 | ImpyDroid | My bad |
| 22:22.52 | Hachiman | I suppose the more important question here guys, is whether any historical army could have stood up to the likes of the Skeleton Army |
| 22:23.04 | ImpyDroid | Speaking of East Asia actually |
| 22:23.18 | DrodoEmpire_ | the skleintoes |
| 22:23.23 | DrodoEmpire_ | ultre spoopy |
| 22:23.27 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_Army |
| 22:23.45 | ImpyDroid | Oh gos |
| 22:23.50 | ImpyDroid | THAT IS A REAL THING |
| 22:23.53 | OluapPlayer | watch out fuckboy theyre skellies with swords |
| 22:23.53 | Hachiman | Yes hur |
| 22:23.56 | ImpyDroid | A REAL THING WITH A REAL NAME LIKE THAT |
| 22:24.05 | ImpyDroid | FUCK GOD THAT IS FUCKING AWESOMEFUCK |
| 22:24.08 | Hachiman | A Skeleton Army that opposed a Salvation Army |
| 22:24.26 | DrodoEmpire_ | Jesus |
| 22:24.46 | Wormydroid | Skeletons won't be much use against mediaeval weapons |
| 22:24.51 | Tybusen | I think, deep down, we're all members of the Skeleton Army |
| 22:25.02 | OluapPlayer | Just try and stab a skeleton |
| 22:25.03 | ImpyDroid | And Tybusen wins the Comment of the Year |
| 22:25.06 | OluapPlayer | ain't gonna work |
| 22:25.09 | Hachiman | Wormydroid: Skeletons are probably resistant to slashing and piercing damage |
| 22:25.18 | ImpyDroid | Looking at Sanctuarium now, it is basically Singapore in space |
| 22:25.19 | Hachiman | Warhammers and maces however |
| 22:25.35 | OluapPlayer | Good calcium diet makes them resist hammers |
| 22:25.39 | OluapPlayer | praise the milk |
| 22:25.40 | Hachiman | Oh shit |
| 22:25.42 | Wormydroid | They are what I imagine hur |
| 22:25.42 | ImpyDroid | Tyrannical but prosperous industrial city state |
| 22:25.48 | Monet | In this case the skeletons were a loose coalition of alcoholics and smokers. |
| 22:25.55 | Hachiman | Pirate skeletons |
| 22:26.07 | Tybusen | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/928/052/d67.png |
| 22:26.10 | ImpyDroid | Now I had that Radeon world based on Hong Kong |
| 22:26.11 | OluapPlayer | SPINAL |
| 22:26.17 | Hachiman | WAR GOD |
| 22:26.20 | ImpyDroid | Since we have Radeon Singapore and Radeon Hong Kong |
| 22:26.31 | ImpyDroid | I should make a Radeon Taiwan |
| 22:26.56 | ImpyDroid | Tiny planet in intergalactic space that claims to own the entire Divinarium |
| 22:26.56 | Tybusen | Taiwan isn't a city-state you dum |
| 22:27.21 | Monet | Whatever's left of either Tadjamad's or Jahran's administration - there. |
| 22:27.25 | ImpyDroid | It is a tiny Chinese place that isn't controlled by the PRC |
| 22:27.33 | Tybusen | Maybe it's a remnant of Jaharan's followers |
| 22:27.37 | ImpyDroid | Not directly at least |
| 22:27.40 | ImpyDroid | But yeah could be |
| 22:28.02 | ImpyDroid | As a twist they could actually be pretty decent and try to atone for their past but still hold Jaharan in high regard |
| 22:28.03 | Hachiman | When is a Radeon door not a door? When it's a Jaharan |
| 22:28.09 | OluapPlayer | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/961/062/a8e.png relevant |
| 22:28.29 | Monet | Maybe Tadjamad's a better fit as their founder. Jaharan was pretty lost within himself by the time his crusade was turning against him. |
| 22:28.33 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: That art style reminds me a lot of AdventureQuest's art style |
| 22:28.36 | Monet | What happened to Tadjamad again? |
| 22:28.45 | ImpyDroid | Zombies ate him |
| 22:28.51 | OluapPlayer | Wow you're right |
| 22:29.04 | OluapPlayer | Still relevant |
| 22:29.04 | OluapPlayer | Eaten by undead |
| 22:29.34 | OluapPlayer | War of Claim was just the Skeleton War gone intergalactic in scale |
| 22:29.39 | ImpyDroid | Actually with the whole Holy Shit War thing now retconned I should retcon the Dei'Ar Theocracy too |
| 22:29.57 | Hachiman | Still surprised that nobody has made an army of evil fairies in the Fantasyverse yet gotta admit |
| 22:30.04 | ImpyDroid | I did |
| 22:30.05 | OluapPlayer | Imp did |
| 22:30.07 | Hachiman | Oh |
| 22:30.10 | OluapPlayer | He just never used them |
| 22:30.12 | Hachiman | Oh right, Unseelie |
| 22:30.33 | DrodoEmpire_ | test |
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| 22:31.29 | Tybusen | Alright but how about a bunch of fairies whose sole purpose in life is to prank the shit out of everyone else |
| 22:32.04 | OluapPlayer | Seems like a shallow life to have |
| 22:32.14 | Monet | Not unheard of |
| 22:33.04 | Hachiman | I mean to be fair; that was the purpose of most fairies' lives |
| 22:33.28 | Hachiman | According to folktales at least |
| 22:33.45 | Hachiman | Also, if a bunch of YouTubers can live for that purpose, why not fairies |
| 22:34.16 | OluapPlayer | I wouldn't know, our folklore doesn't have fairies as far as I'm aware |
| 22:34.29 | Hachiman | Your folklore does have horny dolphin anthros though |
| 22:34.38 | OluapPlayer | Not fairies |
| 22:35.07 | Tybusen | Honestly I'd love to have a band of shitty troublemaking fairies |
| 22:35.11 | Hachiman | PIXIE RING KISSING PREGNANT GIRLFRIEND PRANKS GONE SEXUAL (GONE WRONG) |
| 22:36.15 | Monet | These dolphin shapeshifters sound a bit like fairies though, assuming human form, getting themselves mixed into human parties, luring women and having sex with them. |
| 22:36.15 | OluapPlayer | more like gone cancerous |
| 22:36.25 | OluapPlayer | They're dolphins |
| 22:36.34 | OluapPlayer | Not your little winged pixies |
| 22:36.57 | Monet | Fairies used to look like Tolkien elves before...actually I don't know hen |
| 22:37.08 | Hachiman | "You can blow my hole if you know what I mean efe" |
| 22:37.42 | Xho | I come back to this |
| 22:37.47 | Monet | After all you have the mythology behind changelings; human babies swapped with fairy babies while the parents' backs are turned. |
| 22:37.50 | ImpyDroid | We do not have fairies either |
| 22:37.55 | ImpyDroid | We have buxom undead mermaids |
| 22:38.14 | DrodoEmpire_ | Xho: It *used* to be a grown-up discussion >C |
| 22:38.20 | Hachiman | Yes but don't your mermaids have various terms of evilness |
| 22:38.29 | Tybusen | ImpyDroid: Not a sentence I expected to hear in my lifetime |
| 22:38.43 | Hachiman | Tybusen: Rusalka |
| 22:38.53 | Hachiman | RUSALKA BLYAT |
| 22:39.12 | OluapPlayer | I thought rusalka was just a russian name for undine |
| 22:39.30 | Hachiman | Oh right they are |
| 22:39.32 | Hachiman | Water nymphs |
| 22:39.32 | ImpyDroid | It is a Russian name for mermaids |
| 22:39.45 | Monet | According to Wikipedia (so Imperios or Xho can you confirm) "fairy" is derived from Latin and Old French that means "enchantment". |
| 22:39.47 | ImpyDroid | It is just that traditional Russian mermaids |
| 22:39.49 | Tybusen | mne tozhe danke |
| 22:39.51 | Xho | Not sure |
| 22:39.57 | Hachiman | Right I thought I heard it applied to mermaids |
| 22:39.58 | ImpyDroid | Are buxom and undead |
| 22:40.04 | Hachiman | I mean |
| 22:40.15 | Hachiman | If you fuck her in warm water, the stiffness should go away right |
| 22:40.29 | Xho | Taihadrae - primitives :v |
| 22:40.58 | Monet | Rusalka are closer to Drowners iirc. |
| 22:41.03 | OluapPlayer | Arkarixus - AIRLOCK |
| 22:41.09 | Hachiman | Yeah, they're pretty evil from what I hear |
| 22:41.36 | Monet | The animated bodies of vengeful women who died on riverbanks. |
| 22:41.49 | OluapPlayer | Yeah that's Witcher 1 Drowner lore |
| 22:42.04 | ImpyDroid | I think Witcher Drowners may as well be rusalkas |
| 22:42.10 | ImpyDroid | Witcher is a Slavic work |
| 22:42.18 | Monet | Aye |
| 22:42.23 | ImpyDroid | Makes sense for them to use Slavic monsters |
| 22:42.24 | Hachiman | CYKA |
| 22:42.28 | ImpyDroid | *KURWA |
| 22:42.32 | Hachiman | Ah yes kurwa |
| 22:42.33 | OluapPlayer | In Witcher 3 they got retconned into a full fledged species of fish man unrelated to humans |
| 22:42.48 | Monet | Witcher's monsters can easily be found in Slavic folklore. |
| 22:43.27 | Hachiman | Japanese monsters are perhaps the strangest though |
| 22:43.30 | OluapPlayer | I am fond of Witcher 3's design of griffins |
| 22:43.31 | Hachiman | Some yokai are just |
| 22:43.38 | Hachiman | Absolutely bizarre |
| 22:43.39 | OluapPlayer | They're shaped like wyverns |
| 22:43.45 | ImpyDroid | Speaking of griffins |
| 22:44.01 | ImpyDroid | I should make a page for Imperial gryphons at one point |
| 22:44.14 | OluapPlayer | That's a thing? |
| 22:44.14 | ImpyDroid | But I need a good name for them rather than what I have now (Hurrahmar) |
| 22:44.25 | Hachiman | Fucking, I type in "eyeball asshole" for the yokai I was looking for and it's the first result |
| 22:44.26 | ImpyDroid | Yeah they appeared in one story |
| 22:44.27 | Hachiman | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirime |
| 22:45.09 | Monet | I wonder if the idea of gryphons came from either careless stable-hands who used it as an excuse to explain away missing horses, or a cautionary tale by stable owners to keep their apprentices vigilant. |
| 22:45.17 | Hachiman | I also found a result about a man in Wyoming who was arrested on possession of having 30 eyeballs stuffed into his ass |
| 22:45.34 | The_Randomness | Hachiman: wtf |
| 22:45.41 | ImpyDroid | Large gryphons that are half bear, half bald eagle, and serving as the national animal of the Empire |
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| 22:46.04 | OluapPlayer_ | Piece of shit |
| 22:46.14 | Monet | Imperios: AN unholy union. |
| 22:46.15 | OluapPlayer_ | Anyway I recall humans riding dragons, not griffins |
| 22:46.16 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer_: I used them in one story |
| 22:46.19 | ImpyDroid | Large gryphons that are half bear, half bald eagle, and serving as the national animal of the Empire |
| 22:46.25 | ImpyDroid | They can ride both duh |
| 22:46.30 | OluapPlayer_ | half bear |
| 22:46.33 | ImpyDroid | How should I call them? |
| 22:46.36 | OluapPlayer_ | griffins are half lion tho |
| 22:46.45 | ImpyDroid | Well that is why I want a different name for them |
| 22:46.54 | Hachiman | Owlbears |
| 22:46.56 | Monet | creative license. |
| 22:47.06 | OluapPlayer_ | that's an owl and a bear you dingus-tron |
| 22:47.06 | ImpyDroid | But they aren't shaped like owlbears |
| 22:47.11 | ImpyDroid | They are quadraped |
| 22:47.29 | OluapPlayer_ | Russian griffin, with glorious bear half |
| 22:48.56 | ImpyDroid | And bald eagle half too |
| 22:49.03 | Hachiman | FREEDOM |
| 22:49.09 | Monet | Half burger, half vodka. |
| 22:50.02 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Call their riders hussars |
| 22:51.44 | ImpyDroid | But that would be half black eagle half bear |
| 22:51.46 | ImpyDroid | Or rsther |
| 22:51.55 | ImpyDroid | Stuck between the black eagle and the bear |
| 22:52.27 | ImpyDroid | I will actually borrow the term from GW2 |
| 22:52.29 | ImpyDroid | Teragriff |
| 22:54.02 | Monet | Ursagryph maybe? |
| 22:56.08 | ImpyDroid | Could be |
| 23:06.54 | The_Randomness | I'll be back in a bit |
| 23:19.00 | Wormydroid | Test |
