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| 00:20.06 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 00:20.32 | Hachiman | Bit pissed so won't talk much, don't worry |
| 00:21.25 | Monet | Pissed drunk or pissed angry? |
| 00:22.40 | Hachiman | Pissed drunk |
| 00:22.55 | Hachiman | And maybe a little bit angry because none of my friends showed |
| 00:22.59 | Hachiman | Well, maybe more sad than angry |
| 00:23.10 | Monet | Aww. |
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| 00:28.16 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: Was it your birthday? |
| 00:28.34 | Hachiman | No, but it was like this last year when it was |
| 00:28.55 | Hachiman | It's probably gonna be like this again this year |
| 00:30.26 | Wormy_ | Well, you are a lot more coherent than when I'm pissed, that's for sure |
| 00:30.58 | Hachiman | Ugh |
| 00:31.05 | Hachiman | A fucking slug is climbing through my window |
| 00:31.10 | Hachiman | Knew I should have closed it |
| 00:31.30 | Hachiman | It's been here for like a couple of months, leaving trails in the kitchen |
| 00:31.37 | Wormy_ | Same in mine |
| 00:32.03 | Wormy_ | You probably have a whole colony |
| 00:32.12 | Wormy_ | Are they yellow with brown stripes? |
| 00:32.32 | Hachiman | Dark with lighter spotty pattern |
| 00:33.13 | Wormy_ | This is the type that live in my kitchen http://www.slugwatch.co.uk/?portfolio=yellow-slug |
| 00:34.11 | Hachiman | Actually fuck |
| 00:34.19 | Hachiman | That is the one in my window |
| 00:34.38 | Hachiman | Hopefully he'll climb back out again when he realises that there is salt in here |
| 00:34.48 | Hachiman | It looks like he's turning tail |
| 00:35.07 | Hachiman | Yeah he's going away now |
| 00:35.19 | Wormy_ | If you look closely, little mites crawl in and out of its breathing holes |
| 00:35.37 | Hachiman | Fucking thanks, didn't really need to know that |
| 00:35.57 | Hachiman | I mean that's interesting but I'm trying to eat an already disappointing take-away |
| 00:36.06 | Wormy_ | oops |
| 00:38.35 | Hachiman | Oh no, change of plans, he's climbing back in |
| 00:38.49 | Hachiman | I'm moving all my shoes and putting a bag over my rubbish bin |
| 00:39.20 | Wormy_ | If you use a poo bag, that can get red of them effectively |
| 00:39.31 | Hachiman | Don't want to kill it like my fucking ex did earlier with a bunch of slugs |
| 00:39.34 | Hachiman | Fucking bitch |
| 00:40.02 | Wormy_ | Oh no, I don't kill anything. I just move creatures I don't like away |
| 00:40.43 | Hachiman | Neither do I |
| 00:41.06 | Hachiman | I hate killing bugs yet loads of moths just decide to use my room as a graveyard |
| 00:41.54 | Wormy_ | Lol, I closed my window for the first time in a while and moths landed on the outside of it trying to get in |
| 00:42.20 | Hachiman | I like to mock the moths that try getting in when my window is shut |
| 00:44.10 | Wormy_ | When I was a kid, I did once cellotape a mosquito to the ceiling to mock it |
| 00:45.33 | Hachiman | Wow that's kinda messed up |
| 00:45.49 | Hachiman | But then, mosquitoes I find are the only real bugs that are justifiably worth killing |
| 00:46.18 | Hachiman | Because disease carriers and all that |
| 00:47.16 | Hachiman | That and actually life-threatening species like venomous spiders, or bug infestations like lice and roaches |
| 00:48.03 | Wormy_ | I don't think is any other creature that causes more misery than the mosquito |
| 00:48.20 | OluapPlayer | Wasps |
| 00:48.29 | Hachiman | Eh, wasps are at least useful |
| 00:48.39 | Hachiman | Like, they also pollinate plants same as bees do |
| 00:48.46 | OluapPlayer | Wasps exist only to hate you |
| 00:48.58 | Hachiman | That is also true |
| 00:49.15 | Hachiman | Also, is it true that cockroaches can fucking fly |
| 00:49.21 | Hachiman | Because that is fucking terrifying |
| 00:49.24 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 00:49.30 | Hachiman | Holy shit |
| 00:49.35 | OluapPlayer | They have wings and can use them to fly into you |
| 00:49.38 | OluapPlayer | I know it from experience |
| 00:49.50 | Hachiman | Ngh# |
| 00:50.01 | Hachiman | I thought they were like, bigger lice or something |
| 00:50.10 | Hachiman | Not fully-equipped with wings |
| 00:50.47 | Wormy_ | Cicadas can be annoying |
| 00:51.08 | Hachiman | Never seen a cicada I don't thinl |
| 00:51.25 | Hachiman | *think |
| 00:52.07 | Wormy_ | Actually, creatures that really ick me are lice, mite and tick-like creatures. If I see booklice in a book, I'll have to put it down. Worse I find them in cups and bowls sometimes so I have to washed them before using. |
| 00:56.56 | Wormy_ | I've only ever encountered them in Mediterranean countries |
| 00:57.18 | Wormy_ | They make very loud sounds, are heavy so hurt when they fly into you |
| 00:58.01 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 00:58.08 | Wormy_ | Some people say they were chased by cicadas, but its more likely they were mistaken for something to perch on |
| 00:59.11 | DrodoEmpire | I actually sorta like the sound of cicadas, though not as much as crickets in the evening |
| 00:59.28 | Hachiman | I try to preserve bees whenever I can |
| 00:59.39 | Hachiman | Because they're kinda stupid and end up in cups or bowls or water |
| 00:59.47 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:59.58 | DrodoEmpire | I like bees, they're cute but they're real dumb |
| 01:00.01 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 01:00.08 | OluapPlayer | Bees are wasps who pretend to be nice |
| 01:00.39 | Hachiman | Unfortunately I do not have honey available to me to energise them, but I do try to leave them out to dry near flowers and such |
| 01:00.54 | Hachiman | They probably get eaten by fucking ants, the bastards, but I do try doing them a favour |
| 01:01.07 | Xho | IT'S NOT HIP TO FUCK WASPS |
| 01:01.18 | Hachiman | FUCK BEES, FUCK BEES, FUCK the BEES |
| 01:04.09 | Wormy_ | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3714704/Hard-swallow-Restaurant-owner-forced-eat-COCKROACH-customer-insect-food.html |
| 01:04.22 | Wormy_ | Meanwhile in China |
| 01:05.03 | Wormy_ | >unwanted cockroach |
| 01:06.10 | Hachiman | As if there's such a thing as a wanted cockroach |
| 01:06.13 | Hachiman | Also what the fuck |
| 01:07.33 | Wormy_ | Probably roasted up along with other insects in many parts of the world |
| 01:18.57 | OluapPlayer | Monet: I stole some iguanas from the elves and decided to breed them |
| 01:19.04 | OluapPlayer | http://i.imgur.com/pdbBWSB.png now half of my fort is iguanas |
| 01:24.23 | Monet | Iguanasplosion |
| 01:30.10 | OluapPlayer | Turns out they lay 40 to 50 eggs at a time, the second most in the whole game that's not a crocodile |
| 01:30.21 | OluapPlayer | Wouldn't expect iguanas to be so fertile |
| 01:31.31 | Monet | Neither did I |
| 01:31.59 | Monet | Your dwarves can dine forever on iguana meat |
| 01:32.29 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 01:32.41 | OluapPlayer | Don't know if I'll butcher them, I kinda like iguanas |
| 01:37.42 | Monet | Breed them |
| 01:38.18 | Monet | Battery farm them |
| 01:39.45 | Monet | Breed them till they're like this guy https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d6/0c/20/d60c20af73a48da64ba898e7769ba9f4.jpg |
| 01:40.09 | OluapPlayer | Oh god |
| 01:44.33 | Monet | Then you can serve Iguana kebab |
| 01:46.31 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 01:46.40 | Wormy_ | Oh noes its the Great War! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36920809 |
| 01:56.37 | Wormy_ | hello world http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36921980 |
| 02:00.24 | DrodoEmpire | Jeez |
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| 02:30.30 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 02:30.57 | Spluff5 | Hi |
| 02:31.12 | Spluff5 | I have a question for anyone who wants to answer. |
| 02:31.44 | Spluff5 | What power sources to your empires use to power their FTL travel method, what ever that might be? |
| 03:00.40 | DrodoEmpire | Oh |
| 03:00.55 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry for the lateness >.< Not sure, though I figure something like hypermatter |
| 03:04.49 | Spluff5 | I ask because if people use anti-matter, I wondered where it came from. |
| 03:23.20 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 03:23.35 | DrodoEmpire | Well, there's antimatter, hypermatter, and andasium |
| 03:23.54 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo probably use andasium now that I think about it |
| 03:23.57 | DrodoEmpire | ANyway |
| 03:24.40 | DrodoEmpire | Antimatter is often produced in large industrial colliders |
| 03:24.56 | DrodoEmpire | hypermatter I think comes from it being harvested from hyperspace |
| 03:25.10 | DrodoEmpire | Andasium comes mostly from nebulas or worlds rich in it |
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| 08:05.50 | Hachiman | Hello |
| 08:08.42 | The_Randomness | Good morning |
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| 10:25.16 | Monet | Hi |
| 10:26.55 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 10:27.31 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Vior%27tal Totally not ripped off from Vior'la from Warhammer 40k |
| 10:32.26 | Monet | Not completely |
| 10:34.01 | Monet | I don't see a direct reference to Vior'la's Trial by Fire. |
| 10:35.24 | Hachiman | The Trial by Fire is a thing that all Fire Warriors go through regardless of world |
| 10:36.11 | Monet | I meant the plasma storms that periodically ravage Vior'la |
| 10:37.58 | Monet | Vior'tal's populace appears to be "hot blooded" from some kind of alien Reconquista. |
| 10:43.53 | Hachiman | Ah |
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| 11:02.38 | Monet | Listening to Thunderf00t right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2PxY-wOrI8 and...wow |
| 11:03.49 | Hachiman | Hm? |
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| 11:04.09 | Monet | Apparently a cup of uranium-238 will release enough radiation to kill you in an hour, and do that for 4.5 billion years. |
| 11:04.21 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 11:04.27 | Hachiman | Yeah uranium is |
| 11:04.28 | Hachiman | Whoo |
| 11:05.37 | Monet | He's right that U-235 hasa half-life of 4.5bln years |
| 11:06.05 | Monet | U-238* |
| 11:08.29 | Monet | But something with that long a half-life tends to release small amounts of radiation. |
| 11:13.45 | Monet | He also says you can die in an hour even if you are momentarily exposed. |
| 11:14.47 | Hachiman | wat |
| 11:17.02 | Hachiman | Also |
| 11:17.22 | Hachiman | http://i.imgur.com/4IQ9QxE.png Could you check this out in the Spore Editor and gimme some feedback? |
| 11:19.02 | Monet | Can do |
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| 11:19.17 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 11:19.48 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 11:20.19 | Monet | Yeah there is practically no radioactivity difference between uranium ore and yellowcake. |
| 11:25.57 | Monet | Uranium becomes reactor- or weapons-grade though an enrichment process, naturally-occurring uranium is about about 0.7% the more deadly and radioactive U-235 |
| 11:27.35 | Monet | But even the stuff that was used in the reactors at Fukoshima was about less than 20% U-235 |
| 11:27.42 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 11:29.48 | Monet | Most ractors the uranium is 3-5% U-235 |
| 11:31.03 | Monet | Hell the warning bells for any viewer surely should be going off when he says that yellowcake is highly radioactive and can last 4.5bln years |
| 11:31.37 | Monet | Stuff that tends to be highly reactive also tends to become harmless after a short(ish) amount of time. |
| 11:31.47 | Monet | radioactive* |
| 11:34.48 | Monet | U-238 does have a half-life of 703 million years. But it's alpha decay value is small compared to a number of plutonium isotopes. |
| 11:36.19 | ImpyDroid2 | Hachiman: They look a bit tall, I wonder if you could make them shorter like the original Sylits |
| 11:36.48 | ImpyDroid2 | But their slim appearance emphasises their psychic quality so keep them slim, just smaller |
| 11:36.49 | Monet | In fact the plutonium isotopes that do decay into U-235 have half lives of between 6,500 years and 24,100 years. ANd their alpha decay rate is much much higher. |
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| 11:36.58 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 11:37.03 | Monet | decay energy* |
| 11:37.03 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 11:37.04 | Monet | Hi |
| 11:37.33 | Hachiman | I made the Sylits slim to make them look a bit less physically imposing than most other races that we have here |
| 11:38.01 | Hachiman | I could make them shorter though |
| 11:38.51 | AdmiralPanda | continuing last night's discussion about how everything is bigger than a human? |
| 11:39.45 | Monet | Hachiman: I think they have beautiful crests. In regards to size...I'd say they seem fine |
| 11:39.45 | Hachiman | I was just asking Imp and Monet about my revised model for the Sylits |
| 11:39.57 | AdmiralPanda | I see |
| 11:40.12 | Hachiman | Monet: I put a lot of work into that crest hur |
| 11:40.29 | AdmiralPanda | was about to mention that the actual organics in the ISF are about the size of chimpanzees (and look like four-armed chimpanzees) |
| 11:40.44 | Monet | Maybe tilt the horns up a little, they look like a possible self-stabbing hazard. |
| 11:40.49 | Hachiman | I was actually kind of inspired by mythological salamanders - which fits the motifs and themes of the Sylits since they are "very" fire-oriented |
| 11:40.59 | Hachiman | Gotcha |
| 11:40.59 | AdmiralPanda | so not counting their metal suits I'd say I have a contender for physically smallest species |
| 11:41.49 | Monet | Niaka are the current champions for "universe's smallest sentient species" |
| 11:42.50 | Hachiman | And also champions for most anime sentient species due to their reliance on mecha hur |
| 11:43.14 | Monet | True, true. |
| 11:43.49 | Monet | Mecha that make them large by a number of species' standards. |
| 11:44.08 | Hachiman | If I recall, their mecha make them about as big as mature Loron |
| 11:44.22 | Hachiman | With Xerkea having access to a bigger model |
| 11:44.31 | Hachiman | You'd have to ask Oluap though |
| 11:45.13 | Monet | I vaguely recall a measurement of 4.5m |
| 11:46.32 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: Just before you showed up we were talking about this guy on YouTube claiming a small cup of yellowcake uranium could kill a restaurant full of people in under an hour. And keep doing that for 4.5bln years. |
| 11:47.40 | AdmiralPanda | I'm not that familiar with my yellowcake, but I know unrefined uranium is still dangerous enough that there's whole swathes of country where aborigines refuse to remove any soil because of spirits that bring sickness and death |
| 11:47.52 | AdmiralPanda | (aka trace uranium in the soil) |
| 11:48.28 | Hachiman | Yellowcake sounds delicious |
| 11:48.43 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: It's to die for |
| 11:48.51 | Monet | Naturally-occurring uranium is fairly harmless but I get their concern |
| 11:49.20 | Monet | Farming on land containing trace uranium could introduce it into the body. |
| 11:49.27 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: actually, locals have often displayed signs of mild radiation poisoning |
| 11:50.09 | AdmiralPanda | not "within the danger zone of a nuclear blast" poisoned, but enough that it was having an impact on their health |
| 11:50.40 | Monet | Well as far as radioactive substances go it's fairly mild. It's not prone to spontaneous fission like enriched uranium or plutonium are. |
| 11:51.39 | AdmiralPanda | oh absolutely |
| 11:52.46 | Monet | His claim kind of breaks physics. |
| 11:53.14 | Monet | Something with a long half life tends to release radiation quite slowly. |
| 11:54.11 | AdmiralPanda | he could mean delivering a fatal dose of radiation, unless he specifically said the people would be dead within that hour |
| 11:54.35 | Monet | The people would be dead within that hour. |
| 11:54.52 | Monet | Apparently you could die even if you entered the room then left soon after |
| 11:55.29 | AdmiralPanda | not really from yellowcake |
| 11:56.13 | Monet | If it was I imagine the health and safety measures at yellowcake refineries would be much more extreme. |
| 11:57.03 | AdmiralPanda | ok yeah, just looked it up- short of ingestion, yellowcake is basically safe- you get about as much radiation from the potassium in paraffin lantern fuel |
| 11:57.32 | Monet | To provide an example of how his claim doesn't correlate: Bismuth's half-life is so long (14bln years iirc) it's considered safe enough to be used in cosmetics. |
| 11:57.35 | AdmiralPanda | he's right on the half life, but the radioactivity is negligible unless you're consuming it |
| 11:58.25 | AdmiralPanda | now I wouldn't like to be in a room with yellowcake, and if I was I'd be shitting myself for 15 days (the biological half-life), but yeah |
| 11:59.45 | Monet | And yeah |
| 12:00.06 | Monet | Alpha emitters are fairly harmless so long as you don't inhale or ingest them. |
| 12:01.05 | Monet | Which is why I can understand the aborigines concern: They might be getting sick due to trace amounts in their food or water supply. |
| 12:02.10 | AdmiralPanda | that's basically what it was |
| 12:04.01 | Monet | Radioluminous paint stopped being used for things like glow-in-the-dark clocks because painters used to moisten and shape the brush with their lips; a common fine painting trick. |
| 12:05.37 | Monet | Well, radium-content radioluminous paint at least. |
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| 12:07.07 | Monet | hello |
| 12:10.46 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 12:11.09 | Monet | Then again this guy's information is nothing new; radiation is almost magic under popular conception. |
| 12:15.46 | Monet | A capsule of uranium in your tea will grow you a third arm or turn you into a zombie, microwaves - despite having longer wavelengths than visible light - are death-rays and the wastewater from a typical nuclear reactor is destined to create hideous three-eyed fish. |
| 12:17.28 | Monet | Don't get me wrong I'm not against that stuff because it's cool. I just worry when it's taken seriously. |
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| 12:19.41 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:19.42 | Monet | I think it's hilarious Springfield Nuclear has been running for as long as it has despite having the safety record of your typical German PSA. |
| 12:19.43 | Monet | Hi |
| 12:26.32 | Monet | Actually smart move on that creators of The Simpsons |
| 12:27.58 | Monet | Springfield Nuclear's a textbook example of how nuclear power can be dangerous, but as several episodes have shown it's a disgrace even by the show's presentation of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. |
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| 12:49.09 | Wormy_ | Not to mention it has Homer Simpson pushing random buttons and getting very lucky, possibly thanks to his repressed genius |
| 12:54.33 | Monet | "I'd rather be feeling for sandwiches under the Brooklyn Bridge. Brooklyn's a bad area, right?" Some pampered guy on Rich Kids of Instagram. |
| 12:54.49 | Monet | Pretty sure Brooklyn's been gentrified considerably since the 1970s. |
| 12:56.30 | Monet | Wormy_: For a safety inspector he's a pretty lousy one even when he's 'pretending' to work |
| 12:57.02 | Monet | Earlier episodes I think it was better as it showed him doing inspection rounds. |
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| 13:37.42 | Ghel | So if you "\msg NickServ identify <password>" too early, you get disconnected. |
| 14:05.17 | Wormy_ | tries it |
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| 14:08.03 | Ghel | It's usually impossible for me to do it too early, but sometimes IRC takes a few seconds longer than usual to connect. |
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| 14:15.13 | Hachiman | Fucking disconnect |
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| 14:20.55 | Wormy_ | "Wormy" still occupied |
| 14:36.35 | Wormy_ | http://space.stackexchange.com/questions/6548/is-the-airship-to-orbit-mission-profile-feasible |
| 15:43.41 | Hachiman | Imperios: There's a problem when you type "binary trans" into Google and the second result is "binary transgender" instead of "binary translator" |
| 15:43.51 | Imperios | hur |
| 15:47.35 | Imperios | What does binary even mean |
| 15:48.35 | Hachiman | I think it's supposed to mean that you correspond to male or female |
| 15:48.43 | Hachiman | If you don't, then you are non-binary |
| 15:54.02 | AdmiralPanda | basically that |
| 15:54.24 | AdmiralPanda | a binary system is one with two values |
| 15:54.31 | AdmiralPanda | so the gender binary is male-female |
| 15:54.59 | AdmiralPanda | I find however that gender is a trinary: male-female-snowflake |
| 15:55.41 | Monet | Lol |
| 15:57.13 | AdmiralPanda | in seriousness, I'll never understand people who identify as a gender other than their biological gender, but I really just don't care |
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| 15:57.39 | AdmiralPanda | what does piss me off is people who fill out medical forms with a different gender to their biological gender, cos that's actually potentially causing harm to yourself |
| 15:58.04 | Hachiman | spoon |
| 15:58.15 | Xho | NOOOOOOOH |
| 15:58.17 | Hachiman | Also I just sent my friend the entire script to Shrek in binary |
| 15:58.29 | AdmiralPanda | why |
| 15:58.40 | AdmiralPanda | just |
| 15:58.40 | Xho | 10/10 |
| 15:58.40 | AdmiralPanda | why |
| 15:58.44 | Hachiman | Why not |
| 15:58.46 | Xho | Funny because I watched it earlier |
| 15:58.47 | AdmiralPanda | I thought you were better than this |
| 15:58.57 | AdmiralPanda | on that note, the first Shrek was a fucking funny movie |
| 15:59.34 | Hachiman | I found Shrek 2 maybe funnier than Shrek, but Shrek did have a lot of funny moments |
| 15:59.40 | Hachiman | Farquaad being a particular highlight |
| 15:59.43 | Xho | THE YEARS START COMING AND THEY DON'T STOP COMING AND THEY DON'T STOP COMING AND THEY DON'T STOP COMING AND THEY DON'T STOP COMING AND THEY DON'T STOP COMING |
| 15:59.56 | AdmiralPanda | the fucking banter outside Farquaad's castle was amazing |
| 16:00.08 | AdmiralPanda | like god damn that tickled my sarcastic Australian soul |
| 16:00.36 | AdmiralPanda | and when they're talking to Fiona about him, "There are those who think *little* of him" |
| 16:01.32 | Hachiman | I love how Farquaad's name in itself is an adult joke |
| 16:02.03 | AdmiralPanda | how so? |
| 16:02.49 | Hachiman | Say Farquaad without pronouncing the R and see what it sounds like |
| 16:03.42 | AdmiralPanda | I mean, that's kind of a stretch |
| 16:04.08 | Hachiman | It's how the producers intended it |
| 16:04.41 | AdmiralPanda | fair enough I guess |
| 16:04.58 | AdmiralPanda | just seems a bit obtuse compared to, well, literally the rest of the adult humour in that movie |
| 16:07.59 | AdmiralPanda | the dragon and donkey was just hilarious though |
| 16:08.07 | Monet | There's a bit of history behind the joke |
| 16:08.20 | AdmiralPanda | like if I was to be any character in Shrek, it'd be Donkey |
| 16:08.57 | AdmiralPanda | I would alternatively be Puss in Boots from the spinoff |
| 16:09.05 | AdmiralPanda | because he's voiced by Zoro |
| 16:09.09 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13882682_1048801331856115_6347512021995482670_n.jpg?oh=de89cc0c43216e1646bc0e621b6a06ce&oe=581DFF28 Meanwhile in Pokemon Go |
| 16:11.27 | Xho | "GOD IS DEAD" |
| 16:11.54 | AdmiralPanda | Xho: not enough Zubat in the mix for that to kill god |
| 16:12.36 | Xho | true |
| 16:28.53 | AdmiralPanda | having now seen what a winter trigger is, I'm not the least surprised it's a German invention |
| 16:29.40 | AdmiralPanda | essentially it's a lever that swings from in line with the barrel, down to in line with the trigger, and catches the trigger- essentially becoming a much longer trigger that extends past the finger guard- it's designed to allow the operator to use the rifle while wearing heavy winter gloves |
| 16:30.35 | Hachiman | Huh |
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| 16:36.58 | AdmiralPanda | I have also seen a mid 60's H&K pistol that could be converted between four calibres, which has given me ideas for a cyberpunk equivalent |
| 16:52.11 | Xho | bored |
| 16:52.29 | Xho | AdmiralPanda: "Cyberpunk'd m8" |
| 16:53.22 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman: You guys available for Rain Runner |
| 16:53.28 | OluapPlayer | yes |
| 16:53.28 | Hachiman | Fraid not |
| 16:53.36 | Xho | fukkin fuk |
| 16:53.59 | Hachiman | I'd like to and I know we're nearing the end |
| 16:54.09 | Hachiman | But I got stuff to do for today so perhaps tomorrow |
| 16:55.56 | Xho | rite |
| 16:56.02 | Xho | Hm what to do in the meantime |
| 17:02.15 | Xho | Could potentially make the Moon King in Spore |
| 17:05.04 | Xho | Although I need motivation to make that video o |
| 17:05.06 | Xho | gah |
| 17:14.45 | OluapPlayer | I thought the Moon King was the guy in your profile |
| 17:15.26 | Xho | Nope |
| 17:15.35 | Xho | y wuld the moon king be gold |
| 17:19.46 | OluapPlayer | idunno |
| 17:20.06 | OluapPlayer | he's an ayy lmao so he works on ayy lmao logic |
| 17:20.54 | Xho | You have a point |
| 17:36.51 | AdmiralPanda | I have discovered animated Overwatch comics |
| 18:04.40 | Imperios | Charles_Bot: What's that with your country and cartoons featuring attractive young girls in absurd outfits |
| 18:05.39 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50124425/comic208.png |
| 18:06.01 | Xho | Oh god |
| 18:07.47 | OluapPlayer | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13813654_556032307913846_1596030820532217547_n.jpg?oh=1c583391e1053b9e49daccf62a32aa7c&oe=585E9CB4 EXPRESS |
| 18:09.25 | Imperios | Your country and Italy |
| 18:09.38 | Xho | wut |
| 18:09.50 | Imperios | That was directed to Charles |
| 18:09.51 | Xho | Imperios: Don't forget Japan |
| 18:10.00 | Imperios | Xho: Japan is like the source of it all |
| 18:10.15 | Imperios | The metaphorical tentacle monster spreading its way to the rest of the world |
| 18:10.45 | Imperios | And France and Italy are Japan's metaphorical horsemen |
| 18:11.06 | Imperios | Making weird oversexualised cartoons with little to no plot |
| 18:12.05 | Charles_Bot | Doesn't everyone do that? |
| 18:12.11 | Charles_Bot | I mean look at Marvel |
| 18:12.36 | Hachiman | https://ningyoprints.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/hokusai-pieuvre-grand.jpg The source of it all [NSFW] |
| 18:12.43 | Imperios | French and Italian ones are usually female-centric and more than often bishoujo |
| 18:12.47 | OluapPlayer | Xho: http://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/The+mailman_ea5bc8_5985880.jpg |
| 18:12.52 | Imperios | Might have written that the wrong way |
| 18:12.56 | Imperios | Xho and Hachiman may correct me |
| 18:13.32 | Charles_Bot | *shrug* |
| 18:13.39 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13669070_1125227800884041_3152118808028418595_n.jpg?oh=c75c66c1d84d4356b305f099c0b1615a&oe=583193D5 |
| 18:13.44 | Imperios | Like |
| 18:13.46 | Xho | OluapPlayer: [Terrifying Presence] |
| 18:13.52 | Imperios | Remember Totally Spies or WITCH? |
| 18:13.58 | Imperios | That's what I am talking about |
| 18:14.05 | Xho | Hachiman: Holy hell what |
| 18:14.10 | Hachiman | Naked Bane |
| 18:14.11 | Imperios | Several dolled up girls doing superhero things in ridiculous outfits |
| 18:14.19 | Charles_Bot | Again |
| 18:14.23 | Hachiman | Xho: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman%27s_Wife |
| 18:14.30 | Charles_Bot | That also describes the American video game industry |
| 18:14.41 | Imperios | I am talking about animation here |
| 18:14.42 | Xho | Oh god this is legit |
| 18:14.44 | Charles_Bot | It's not just a French, Italian, or Japanese things |
| 18:14.46 | Xho | Hokusai y u do dis |
| 18:15.03 | Monet | Charles has a point |
| 18:15.06 | Imperios | True that |
| 18:16.41 | Xho | Hachiman OluapPlayer: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/ed/MoonKing2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20160730181556 |
| 18:16.52 | Imperios | But still most bishojo cartoons that aren't Japanese that I can think of are either French or Japanese |
| 18:17.01 | OluapPlayer | Vanguard - it was me all along |
| 18:17.17 | Xho | Moon King - [unclean] |
| 18:17.53 | OluapPlayer | But still if that's the Butt King then who dat in your profile |
| 18:18.47 | Imperios | Also Americans mostly frown on female superheroes |
| 18:18.51 | Imperios | At least in lead roles |
| 18:19.44 | Xho | Well what's the opposite of the Moon King |
| 18:20.01 | Monet | Imperios: Catniss and Wonder WOman say hi |
| 18:20.08 | OluapPlayer | Moon Queen |
| 18:20.09 | OluapPlayer | fug u |
| 18:20.13 | Xho | 0/10 AWFUL |
| 18:20.17 | Imperios | Sun Queen? |
| 18:20.27 | Xho | close enough |
| 18:21.02 | Xho | The gold one is the Sun King |
| 18:22.56 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_7UCaK_Otk Feel free to scream |
| 18:25.39 | Wormy_ | And I thought I had charted the weird bit of Youtube |
| 18:26.50 | AdmiralPanda | one cannot chart the weird |
| 18:26.58 | AdmiralPanda | the deeper you look, the more weird you find |
| 18:27.23 | AdmiralPanda | it's a little known fact that the 8th level wizard spell, Power Word: Weird is actually powered by youtube |
| 18:27.41 | AdmiralPanda | wait, Weird isn't a power word |
| 18:27.47 | AdmiralPanda | gdi I failed at D&D |
| 18:30.05 | Wormy_ | There is little I found more messed up tha https://www.youtube.com/user/andywilson92/videos |
| 18:55.34 | Hachiman | Imperios: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 18:55.53 | Hachiman | Also nice Moonie King |
| 18:59.11 | Technobliterator | Late, but lol |
| 18:59.25 | Hachiman | Also Jo |
| 18:59.28 | Hachiman | I wanted to ask |
| 18:59.29 | Technobliterator | hi |
| 18:59.40 | Technobliterator | I just got into New York |
| 18:59.44 | Hachiman | Oh, right |
| 19:00.14 | Hachiman | I just wanted to ass if there was a way to save Falco's pages so I don't have to write over them |
| 19:00.36 | Hachiman | Like archive them or something |
| 19:00.59 | Technobliterator | The old edit histories will always be available so it should be fine |
| 19:01.33 | Hachiman | Fair enough |
| 19:01.50 | Hachiman | It just feels a little dirty writing over Falco's work even if I am using his stuff now |
| 19:01.51 | Technobliterator | You could also move them to Fiction:UVF/archive and make your new one at Fiction:UVF |
| 19:02.00 | Hachiman | Ah right that's also true |
| 19:02.03 | Technobliterator | I did that for Val's stuff |
| 19:14.15 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/13645362_1245366168829044_5250068381144822844_n.jpg?oh=1b389bc7c78e68ce27849d8146175b29&oe=58251417 Retardation of the day |
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| 19:19.52 | Wormy_away | (hi) |
| 19:19.54 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 19:30.14 | Technobliterator | Well, New York is amazing so far |
| 19:30.16 | Technobliterator | hihi |
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| 19:39.12 | Imperios | Hachiman: My eyes |
| 19:39.21 | Imperios | The ignorance has seared them away |
| 19:41.12 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/SxeaWXf.png I have a contender |
| 19:48.55 | Monet | Technobliterator: Must be nice this time of year |
| 19:49.15 | Monet | I went in about...April I think |
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| 20:03.18 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 20:03.27 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 20:07.31 | Hachiman | Imperios: What the fug |
| 20:07.34 | Hachiman | Hi Drodo |
| 20:07.40 | Imperios | Hi Drodo |
| 20:07.41 | Hachiman | And Random |
| 20:07.47 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: http://i.imgur.com/SxeaWXf.png |
| 20:08.15 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 20:08.28 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah Turks are originally from central asia |
| 20:08.31 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: https://ningyoprints.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/hokusai-pieuvre-grand.jpg |
| 20:08.50 | Hachiman | Oh wait shit no |
| 20:08.53 | Xho | KEK |
| 20:09.15 | Hachiman | I meant https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/13645362_1245366168829044_5250068381144822844_n.jpg?oh=1b389bc7c78e68ce27849d8146175b29&oe=58251417 |
| 20:10.36 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 20:10.59 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, its fine to ask for a citation, but its not exactly an argument |
| 20:11.04 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 20:11.38 | The_Randomness | Because you're essentially just trying to shift the burden of proof around |
| 20:11.49 | DrodoEmpire | In the worst cases yeah |
| 20:13.07 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/13645362_1245366168829044_5250068381144822844_n.jpg?oh=1b389bc7c78e68ce27849d8146175b29&oe=58251417 Hachi has even better cringe |
| 20:13.33 | Imperios | oh wait Hachi laready posted that |
| 20:13.37 | DrodoEmpire | That's the exact same thing he posted |
| 20:15.07 | Imperios | Yeah my bad |
| 20:21.38 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr_Nsbtkz1M&index=1&list=FLVgk3MXpU_EN_qzFHEbMfCg |
| 20:21.49 | Imperios | The Great Jewgolem |
| 20:22.22 | Hachiman | Think I might get started on redoing the Sylit page |
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| 20:37.05 | MrRankings11 | Hi |
| 20:38.06 | *** join/#sporewiki MryRankings11 (b85a1483@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.90.20.131) |
| 20:38.09 | MryRankings11 | Hi |
| 20:38.19 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 20:38.40 | MryRankings11 | Hey do you know how to add links to the wiki |
| 20:39.08 | OluapPlayer | [[Page's name]] |
| 20:39.08 | morgothBotPy | OluapPlayer meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Page's_name |
| 20:39.23 | MryRankings11 | Yeh |
| 20:40.12 | MryRankings11 | The ones were you click on the highlighted word and it opens a new page |
| 20:40.26 | The_Randomness | [[page|text]] |
| 20:40.26 | morgothBotPy | The_Randomness meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/page |
| 20:41.16 | drom | Wormy_ damnit |
| 20:41.32 | Imperios | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJh0m0E7Ozg |
| 20:41.54 | MryRankings11 | I'm confused |
| 20:42.29 | drom | MryRankings11, The left hand ("page") is the actual page the "text" links to. |
| 20:42.45 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 20:43.02 | MryRankings11 | ??? |
| 20:43.16 | MryRankings11 | I'm a noob a wiki |
| 20:43.28 | MryRankings11 | *at wikia |
| 20:43.29 | drom | [[page]] goes to page |
| 20:43.29 | morgothBotPy | drom meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/page |
| 20:43.47 | drom | [[page|text]] displays as 'text', but goes to page |
| 20:43.47 | morgothBotPy | drom meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/page |
| 20:44.04 | drom | You game? |
| 20:44.17 | MryRankings11 | But how do I make it look like text? |
| 20:44.23 | MryRankings11 | And not a link |
| 20:44.25 | The_Randomness | ... |
| 20:44.29 | The_Randomness | You can't do that |
| 20:44.41 | drom | Yes... |
| 20:44.59 | MryRankings11 | Wut u takin abut? |
| 20:45.08 | drom | [[page|<span style="color:white">text</span>]] |
| 20:45.09 | morgothBotPy | drom meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/page |
| 20:45.09 | MryRankings11 | I see people do that all the time |
| 20:45.20 | MryRankings11 | heck its on the front page |
| 20:45.22 | drom | It is more advanced, mind you |
| 20:45.22 | The_Randomness | I don't even understand what you're trying to say |
| 20:45.35 | The_Randomness | And we have explained multiple times what you seem to be asking |
| 20:46.40 | drom | Also, I would _never_ ever make links invisible by giving them the same color as rest of the text itself. |
| 20:47.05 | MryRankings11 | That's not what im trying to do |
| 20:47.42 | MryRankings11 | screw it ill just copy and paste the full link |
| 20:48.17 | Technobliterator | Why would you...do that ._. |
| 20:48.31 | Technobliterator | Just view the code of other pages to see how it's done |
| 20:49.36 | drom | Wormy_away: When your perception is zero. http://i.imgur.com/fpJRZJs.gifv |
| 20:51.13 | MryRankings11 | Oh I didn't think of that |
| 20:51.19 | MryRankings11 | thanks mate |
| 20:53.43 | MryRankings11 | Hey I have a question |
| 20:54.53 | MryRankings11 | what do you think of this empire so far? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Dannie_Empire |
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| 21:08.43 | Spluff5 | Ooh, lots of people today. |
| 21:13.26 | MryRankings11 | Hey spluff5 |
| 21:14.45 | Spluff5 | I'm working on a graphic of what I think FTL travel might look like from the pilot's perspective. |
| 21:16.50 | MryRankings11 | Cool |
| 21:24.26 | drom | Wormy_away: http://i.imgur.com/PTMQrC8.jpg |
| 21:25.28 | MryRankings11 | *pulls out video camera* |
| 21:25.47 | MryRankings11 | (Insert lenny face here) |
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| 21:33.04 | The_Randomness | Hey Panda |
| 21:33.15 | NeonPanda | alrighty, about 20 mins until I go home from dogsitting at mum's house |
| 21:34.11 | MryRankings11 | Gtg |
| 21:37.27 | drom | The_Randomness: After talking to some friends we exchanged iceberg-tier memes. I then thought what if Sporewiki had one? |
| 21:37.38 | The_Randomness | iceberg-tier? |
| 21:38.07 | drom | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/084/817/6ee.png |
| 21:38.31 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 21:38.32 | drom | Basically a picture of an iceberg divided into tiers, it gets more surreal the more you descend |
| 21:39.28 | drom | The tip, is being the "casual filth" and the bottom the secrets you would not want to know |
| 21:40.14 | NeonPanda | and on this scale, Apocalypse World rates as more hardcore than Dark Heresy? has this person ever played AW? |
| 21:40.52 | NeonPanda | yes I realise I'm overanalysing an internet picture but still |
| 21:41.02 | Hachiman | >I Have No Neck And I Must Beard |
| 21:41.04 | Hachiman | My sides |
| 21:43.40 | NeonPanda | I know I said 20 minutes but I'm probably gonna leave now, see you guys in at least an hour and a bit |
| 21:43.45 | The_Randomness | Alright |
| 21:48.09 | drom | NeonPanda: Let's not forget that Dwarf Fortress was once rated Hardcore, but not it has been descended to a lower tier, replaced by Cataclysm DDA. |
| 21:48.25 | drom | Yarrr |
| 21:49.42 | Spluff5 | http://i.imgur.com/WFbG0Rf.png |
| 21:52.52 | drom | Hachiman: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/176312654250377218/204658654249615360/Untitled.png |
| 21:53.34 | Spluff5 | FTL from the perspective of the pilot. What do y'all think? |
| 21:57.26 | The_Randomness | Looks ok, don't really have much to say about it |
| 21:59.36 | Ghelaway | So is that supposed to be a representation of a wormhole? |
| 22:04.24 | drom | Anyway |
| 22:04.50 | drom | Ghelaway: Is time of light supposedly to be relative to the speed of time? |
| 22:05.21 | Ghelaway | I'm not entirely sure what you mean to ask there. |
| 22:06.05 | drom | The theory of relativity |
| 22:06.22 | drom | Anything that is faster than light = Time travel, they say |
| 22:08.52 | drom | Ugh, where did that forum thread go? |
| 22:09.06 | Ghelaway | Yes, anything that's faster-than-light in one frame of reference is backwards in time in another. |
| 22:10.23 | Ghelaway | If it helps, you can think about it in terms of angles. The intuitive, spatial, situation is if two people are facing in different directions - they're at different angles to each other - then what is to the left of one may be in front of or the right of the other. |
| 22:11.12 | Ghelaway | Likewise, if two people are travelling at different speeds - and a velocity is basically equivalent to an angle between space and time - then what is to the past of one may be to the present or even the future of the other. |
| 22:11.37 | drom | I've had this intepretation that the relativity is an illusion played by light, a handwavium to allow FTL without time travel. |
| 22:12.19 | Ghelaway | Usually when people learn about the FTL-time travel equivalence, they assume it is just about illusions caused by light. |
| 22:13.11 | Ghelaway | But the travel time of light doesn't play a part in the calculations; in fact, using the speed of light to explain special relativity is really a historical holdover rather than a necessity. |
| 22:13.48 | Ghelaway | If you want to calculate what people actually see, affected by the finite speed of light, that's another calculation on top. |
| 22:14.26 | drom | I like to think that if we still consider that "time" travels at a infinitely fast speed, it is basically impossible to reverse it. |
| 22:14.59 | Ghelaway | You're saying you like to think in terms of Galilean relativity. |
| 22:15.00 | drom | But that raises me more questions than solutions. |
| 22:15.08 | Ghelaway | Well, the universe doesn't care about what any of us like to think. :P |
| 22:15.40 | drom | Except those fiction readers (alternatively, real-life sci-fi) |
| 22:16.50 | Ghelaway | The thing is, if you get rid of special relativity for a sci-fi universe, there's nothing special about the speed of light for "faster-than-light" to be a meaningful concept, no more than there's anything special about the speed of sound. |
| 22:16.54 | drom | If Mohr's scale was an iceberg, fiction would be barely the bottom. |
| 22:17.28 | Ghelaway | So faster-than-light travel in a nonrelativistic universe is an arbitrary contrivance. Of course, if you're fine with arbitrary contrivances, so be it. |
| 22:19.37 | drom | Ghelaway: Arbitrary contrivance in layman terms if you don't mind. |
| 22:22.16 | Ghelaway | "Arbitrary contrivance" isn't a technical term. It just means that adding a "speed of light" is arbitrary and contrived. |
| 22:22.39 | drom | Ghelaway: I see |
| 22:22.56 | drom | Well it would be a meaning in a pseudo-relativistic universe |
| 22:23.19 | Ghelaway | It arises naturally in real physics. But in some fake Newtonian-like physics you have to add it in artificially and... it's not even obvious what it would mean. |
| 22:23.25 | drom | I mean, the light still travel at a limited speed. |
| 22:24.00 | Ghelaway | Oh, sure, I suppose you could get rid of the principle of relativity, and establish a privileged reference frame in which light travels at a constant speed. |
| 22:24.24 | Ghelaway | That's basically luminiferous aether pre-Michelson. |
| 22:24.25 | drom | Without the 'C', the distances to the stars as we know it would be completely wrong and a rubbish |
| 22:24.47 | Ghelaway | ...Our measurements of nearby stars aren't based on the speed of light. |
| 22:24.54 | drom | Oh |
| 22:25.02 | Ghelaway | They're based on parallax. |
| 22:25.15 | drom | Silly me |
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| 22:25.42 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 22:25.49 | Ghelaway | Hello. |
| 22:25.51 | ImpyDroid | Monet: I just realised something |
| 22:25.57 | drom | What mathematics are based on 'c' then? Besides the famous E = mc^2 |
| 22:26.07 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Hm? |
| 22:26.08 | The_Randomness | a lot of stuff |
| 22:26.17 | ImpyDroid | Vesperon is a wealthy man of lowly beginnings who loves to control and dominate everything |
| 22:26.27 | ImpyDroid | That is also associated with the colour gray |
| 22:26.29 | ImpyDroid | ... |
| 22:26.30 | Ghelaway | "c" is basically a conversion constant between units of space and units of time. But it appears everywhere in special relativity and relativistic quantum mechanics if you don't use natural units. |
| 22:27.40 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Drawing a partial blank. Real world or fiction? |
| 22:27.55 | Monet | Or are we talking CHristian Grey? |
| 22:28.06 | ImpyDroid | Christian Grey indeed |
| 22:28.19 | ImpyDroid | I fucking accidentally created a Fifty Shades of Gray character |
| 22:28.26 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 22:29.45 | Ghelaway | Anyway, my point was: even if we do have a universe with this luminiferous aether, what makes the speed of light special as far as space travel is concerned? It's just some speed; you need to add yet another thing to make a "light barrier" or anything that makes "faster-than-light" a meaningful concept. |
| 22:29.46 | Monet | Except his lover doesn't just love him for kinky experimental sex. |
| 22:29.56 | Monet | Or money |
| 22:30.26 | Ghelaway | So otherwise, you should just ignore the idea of "faster-than-light" (and, conveniently, time travel) to just have spaceships that can travel however fast they like. |
| 22:32.10 | drom | Ghelaway: The observer sees a completely distorted, dilated and bright static when they enter a speed faster than light. |
| 22:32.18 | ImpyDroid | Ghelaway: Luminewhat plz |
| 22:32.32 | drom | I get the impression that the observer would experience a 'fast-forward' effect. |
| 22:33.11 | Ghelaway | ImpyDroid: drom's trying to come up with an idea of a fake special relativity that allows "faster-than-light travel" to be a meaningful concept without being subject to actual special relativity. |
| 22:33.30 | drom | Although, I'm no physics nerd, I need input and know the possible pitfalls. |
| 22:33.56 | Ghelaway | ...So is this just some idea you have for FTL in your sci-fi world? |
| 22:34.20 | drom | My intepretation of the idea, at least. |
| 22:35.04 | Ghelaway | At the moment, you're just making stuff up without any justification. *Why* would they "[see ] a completely distorted, dilated and bright static"? What is this "fast-forward effect" and why should it occur? |
| 22:37.16 | Ghelaway | There's no way to know of any pitfalls if there's no reason to believe it's even internally self-consistent. |
| 22:37.22 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 22:37.50 | drom | I see. |
| 22:45.07 | drom | Ghelaway: After watching a simulation of an observer traveling at a speed close to 'c'. I reset my case. |
| 22:46.17 | drom | If I understand correctly, it would be nothing but plain darkness when your speed is faster than the light. |
| 22:47.50 | Ghelaway | Travelling literally faster-than-light (not by e.g. warp drive, wormhole) in real life corresponds to an imaginary Lorentz factor. This means time is dilated by an imaginary amount, wavefunctions go from oscillation to exponential decay, etc. |
| 22:48.10 | Ghelaway | So in the sense that you'd be decoupled from the photons, you could say it would be darkness. |
| 22:48.22 | Ghelaway | But that's presumably not what you've extrapolated from the simulation. |
| 22:48.33 | Ghelaway | With real-world relativistic travel, there will be an increased frequency of photons hitting your eye because a) you're travelling into them and b) time dilation. |
| 22:49.08 | Ghelaway | However, they'll also be blueshifted for similar reasons. At sufficiently high speeds, all photons will be blueshifted to the ultraviolet and higher frequencies. |
| 22:49.25 | drom | In that case then, you'd see a white bright dot at the direction you are traveling to. |
| 22:49.41 | Ghelaway | But this occurs at under the speed of light. At the speed of light, blueshift is infinite. Beyond the speed of light, blueshift becomes an imaginary number. |
| 22:50.48 | Ghelaway | And the closest thing to a physically reasonable interpretation of imaginary blueshift is that, in your reference frame, the photons are exponentially decaying rather than being waves. The same is happening to you in slower-than-light reference frames. |
| 22:51.33 | Ghelaway | Which is related to the fact that, in order to accelerate to FTL speeds, you need your own energy to become an imaginary number. |
| 22:53.32 | Ghelaway | The maths, just so you know, is that a plane wave's temporal oscillation can be described as e^(iwt), where w is the frequency and t is time, and replacing w with iw gives e^(-wt) which is exponential decay. |
| 22:53.43 | Ghelaway | w is angular frequency* |
| 22:55.08 | ImpyDroid | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/326/907/84c.jpg |
| 22:55.11 | drom | Excuse me for going off-topic a bit, but... I feel like an uneducated idiot. But I love this so much and I love learning those things and comparing to others intepretations I've heard/read about. |
| 22:57.25 | Ghelaway | No worries. |
| 22:57.43 | Ghelaway | Although this is sufficiently late at night that I won't be staying for much longer. |
| 22:59.02 | drom | Understandable. This discussion was tough to comprehend, but enjoyable to follow and try conclude accurately. |
| 23:00.38 | drom | Tough to comprehend, but I enjoyed it. |
| 23:02.07 | Ghelaway | The real description of special relativity is the Minkowski metric. It's not merely an addition to 3D space + time, but a merger of the two so that distances are made up of both distance in space and distance in time. |
| 23:03.02 | Ghelaway | So while in 3D space, distances are x^2 + y^2 + z^2, in 4D spacetime they're t^2 - (x^2 + y^2 + z^2). |
| 23:03.13 | Ghelaway | Or (ct)^2, if you like. |
| 23:03.22 | drom | Ah, I see. |
| 23:04.02 | Ghelaway | Ultimately, with a bit of work, one can get all of special relativity from that - time dilation, length contraction, and so on - without having to even mention light. |
| 23:05.37 | Ghelaway | Well, I'm going to go now. Bye! |
| 23:05.41 | drom | See ya! |
| 23:05.42 | The_Randomness | bye |
| 23:06.19 | drom | The feeling when I did not take notes, but have the logs anyway |
| 23:06.29 | drom | I'm a disgrace. |
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| 23:06.56 | The_Randomness | wb |
| 23:06.58 | NeonPanda | and I'm back |
| 23:07.30 | drom | Thanks for not making a messy re-enterance like that one in Terminator |
| 23:08.25 | drom | Besides, the recent discussion remind me of something. |
| 23:08.37 | NeonPanda | gotta love that classic "I didn't sleep and it's cold out" sore throat |
| 23:08.39 | drom | What are your favorite FTL method? |
| 23:08.57 | drom | FTL travel method, rather |
| 23:09.35 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Moon_King |
| 23:09.52 | The_Randomness | Anything that actually carefully considers the issues surrounding FTL |
| 23:10.55 | drom | The_Randomness: Got an example? |
| 23:11.14 | NeonPanda | I prefer any primarily consisting of handwavium |
| 23:11.34 | Hachiman | >Bone-Breaker is an enemy |
| 23:11.47 | Xho | All will become clear |
| 23:12.11 | The_Randomness | I don't think there are any particular examples, and unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with a lot of the concepts surrounding them to say too much |
| 23:13.30 | drom | The_Randomness: It is fine! |
| 23:19.13 | OluapPlayer | Good page |
| 23:19.17 | OluapPlayer | got nothing to quote though |
| 23:25.40 | Hachiman | Neither do I |
| 23:25.46 | Hachiman | It is pretty interesting lore though |
| 23:25.50 | Hachiman | Quite foreboding |
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| 23:45.20 | Wormy_away | Hachiman: I've had a lager, two ales, two glasses of wine, a vodka and coke, and finished off someone-else's pint tonight |
| 23:45.41 | The_Randomness | oh my |
| 23:46.39 | Wormy_away | It was an "anarchist band" I saw, though not very because we had to close the doors because someone compained :P |
| 23:46.56 | Wormy_away | I was laughing my head off |
| 23:47.26 | Wormy_away | Going to right an essay soon about how anarchism is contextual |
| 23:47.38 | Wormy_away | Froim my observations toinight |
| 23:47.55 | The_Randomness | Could you expand a bit on that? |
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| 23:49.01 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 23:49.20 | Wormy_away | Basically this guy gave a big [intellectual] lecture on anarchism before the band started, though I found philosophical problems and my punk freiends found punk problems with it |
| 23:50.17 | Wormy_away | Then they closed the fucking doors because people on the steet compained about music, not very anarcist in the sense they were theming |
| 23:51.03 | Wormy_away | So when the music ended, I was the first to shout "more" and "anarchy", but I was merely testing their anarchism |
| 23:51.14 | Wormy_away | So they played one more |
| 23:52.14 | The_Randomness | I don't really know anything about anarchy myself, beyond the merest basics of the concept |
| 23:52.16 | Wormy_away | I'm going to write a big essay on the night because it was hilarious, I'll post it when I'm sober |
| 23:54.20 | Wormy_away | I actually think its not a real [single] ideology (and anarchists to their detractors) but more of attitude. Its not always bad in that case, because the first liberals might have seemed as anarchist to their contempories |
