| 00:00.27 | Technobliterator | and he posted it deliberately on his own subreddit rather than on r/AMA because he knows his own sub is a massive circlejerk for him |
| 00:00.32 | The_Randomness | real |
| 00:00.35 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 00:00.42 | The_Randomness | Not sure where that came from |
| 00:00.48 | The_Randomness | not that the populist left is much better |
| 00:00.53 | Technobliterator | it'll be less legit policy substance like the other guys and more "lul crooked hillary so bad amirite Xd" |
| 00:01.15 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 00:01.35 | The_Randomness | The interesting thing about the whole "crooked Hillary" thing is that it's basically just from this one article written like 20 years ago |
| 00:02.27 | Technobliterator | It's kind of sad how this guy can just throw immature name calling around as a legit talking point and he's the nominee of a major party |
| 00:03.05 | The_Randomness | It's way more than just name calling https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4teoxl/a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is_a/?compact=true |
| 00:03.22 | Technobliterator | Low Energy Jeb, Little Marco, Lyin Ted, Crazy Bernie, Goofy Elizabeth, how is any of this legit political discourse? .__. |
| 00:03.44 | The_Randomness | it's not |
| 00:06.32 | The_Randomness | If you're wondering where I heard about the 20 year old article thing, I originally got it from this really cool facebook post https://www.facebook.com/michael.arnovitz.3/posts/1078105772254828 |
| 00:07.41 | The_Randomness | Basically, this guy wrote an article smearing Hillary Clinton, then conservatives picked up on it and threw it around everywhere until people actually believed it |
| 00:09.53 | Technobliterator | ahh |
| 00:10.02 | Technobliterator | So, basically everything they did during the Clinton administration? |
| 00:10.11 | Technobliterator | It was mostly just one manufactured scandal after another |
| 00:11.50 | The_Randomness | I haven't heard about that |
| 00:12.27 | Technobliterator | They also basically did the same thing with Obama, the whole Benghazi thing |
| 00:12.35 | The_Randomness | yep |
| 00:12.37 | Technobliterator | they wasted so much money investigating nonsense |
| 00:12.43 | Technobliterator | to score political points |
| 00:14.41 | The_Randomness | But yeah, I suggest reading that facebook post |
| 00:15.07 | Technobliterator | I shall :o |
| 00:15.36 | The_Randomness | At the very least it's interesting since it talks about the origins of "Lying/Crooked Hillary" |
| 00:16.10 | Monet | "Don't believe everything you read, except if it's about a politician you don't like then everything is true" |
| 00:16.10 | The_Randomness | And how they are ultimately baseless |
| 00:21.55 | The_Randomness | :P |
| 00:25.12 | The_Randomness | I could also talk about the DFL leaks as well and what I think about them, but the amount of bullshit being thrown around is frustrating |
| 00:25.18 | The_Randomness | especially populist bullshit |
| 00:25.24 | Technobliterator | DFL? |
| 00:25.30 | The_Randomness | er, DNC |
| 00:25.32 | The_Randomness | w/e |
| 00:25.38 | Technobliterator | Oh, yeah, the wikileaks stuff |
| 00:26.02 | The_Randomness | yeah, that stuff |
| 00:26.55 | Technobliterator | As unsettling as it is, it's probably fairly standard, the RNC emails likely contain the same stuff about Trump |
| 00:27.15 | Technobliterator | and it's not really the kind of scandal the Republicans are hoping for |
| 00:27.24 | Technobliterator | they're hoping for their next Benghazi |
| 00:27.39 | The_Randomness | I don't really consider it unsettling, it's completely understandable (even if some of the things they said were childish) |
| 00:27.58 | Technobliterator | Mhm |
| 00:28.41 | The_Randomness | No, it is not indicative of "the system is rigged" or anything like that, it just reveals the reaction they had to Bernie dragging in a bunch of normally independent voters into the party |
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| 00:29.13 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 00:29.17 | The_Randomness | hey |
| 00:29.54 | Technobliterator | yeah, there's a difference between "guys, this guy is kind of hurting our campaign" and a Disney villain "HMMMM HOW CAN I COMMIT ELECTION FRAUD TODAY MWAHAHAHAHAHA" |
| 00:30.13 | The_Randomness | And honestly, the Bernie campaign was an attempted hijacking of the Democratic party |
| 00:30.24 | Technobliterator | Hmm |
| 00:30.45 | The_Randomness | I'll expand on this in a moment |
| 00:31.23 | Technobliterator | In terms of him not being one, yeah, but this is the party of FDR, which his policies were closer to |
| 00:32.42 | The_Randomness | So, basically, there's a huge split in who votes for Hillary vs Bernie |
| 00:33.58 | The_Randomness | long-time Democrats go with Clinton much more often than Bernie |
| 00:34.23 | The_Randomness | While the people who voted Bernie either aren't party-affiliated Democrats, or they became Democrats for this express purpose |
| 00:34.37 | Technobliterator | Mhm |
| 00:34.55 | The_Randomness | So, the party establishment, by which I mean its traditional members as well as its leadership, prefers Clinton by a huge margin |
| 00:36.14 | The_Randomness | Meanwhile they're being invaded by Bernie supporters, many of whom will soon leave the party, and express views that are more typical of leftist, independent voters than people who vote Democrat |
| 00:37.13 | The_Randomness | So of course the people high up in the party go "wtf is this guy doing here?" |
| 00:38.00 | Technobliterator | It's also, from what I can tell, that the Bernie supporters are the guys who dislike politics as usual and lean towards the off-the-rails guy. The Democratic establishment obviously are more used to the system, so they don't really connect with the outrage |
| 00:38.16 | The_Randomness | Because to them, neither he nor many of his supporters, belong, for lack of a better word, in the DFL |
| 00:38.19 | The_Randomness | Right |
| 00:38.23 | Technobliterator | Mhm |
| 00:38.47 | The_Randomness | But no, clearly this reveals that the part is an evil anti-democratic organization that hates progress |
| 00:38.53 | The_Randomness | *party |
| 00:39.19 | Technobliterator | The other major demographic, and the one that honestly won Clinton the primary, was the minority voters - despite his history with Civil Rights and such movements, Sanders failed to appeal to them |
| 00:39.26 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 00:39.45 | The_Randomness | Hence why he got stomped in the South |
| 00:39.49 | Technobliterator | That's the main reason he lost, imo, not "the system is riiiiiiiiiigged" |
| 00:39.51 | Technobliterator | Yep |
| 00:40.20 | The_Randomness | But we don't see this sort of narrative among the supporters of Bernie Sanders, instead it's "we were intentionally excluded", or "the elite forces punished us" |
| 00:40.36 | The_Randomness | And, yes, this is true on both counts, but definitely not in the shady way that people seem to think |
| 00:41.01 | Technobliterator | I don't believe that there was any legit election fraud |
| 00:41.07 | The_Randomness | Neither do I |
| 00:41.22 | The_Randomness | And I have no reason to believe that there was either |
| 00:41.41 | Technobliterator | The only thing that comes close to it being "rigged" is the whole party registration thing, particularly with New York, to keep independents out - but that's not exactly "rigging" |
| 00:41.54 | Technobliterator | it's a fairly standard thing |
| 00:42.02 | Technobliterator | and it happens in the UK all the time |
| 00:42.21 | Technobliterator | it's even worse, you have to pay £25 to vote for the leadership election in the Labour Party this year, for instance |
| 00:43.22 | Monet | Well party registration has its benefits - it means that the other parties can't weigh in on a candidate they can beat. |
| 00:44.03 | The_Randomness | And you also want to make sure that the votes you're getting are representative of the people in the party, not just anyone who walks in |
| 00:44.27 | The_Randomness | And probably also prevents shenanigans like what Monet started to touch on |
| 00:44.40 | The_Randomness | e.g. Republican voters messing with the results |
| 00:45.47 | Technobliterator | What makes most sense to me is semi-closed primaries |
| 00:46.07 | Technobliterator | So, you can vote only if you're independent or registered, but if you are independent and vote in one primary, you cannot vote in another |
| 00:46.20 | The_Randomness | That sounds reasonable to me |
| 00:49.50 | The_Randomness | M |
| 00:49.53 | The_Randomness | oops |
| 00:52.47 | The_Randomness | but yeah, that's all I've got |
| 00:53.32 | Technobliterator | I can understand the people who want to vote for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson now. What I cannot reconcile with is the people going from Bernie to Trump. |
| 00:53.35 | Technobliterator | Like, seriously? ._. |
| 00:54.03 | The_Randomness | yeah, it's silly |
| 00:54.15 | The_Randomness | But Trump is another populist candidate, so I can sort of see it |
| 00:54.25 | Technobliterator | It's pure voting on emotion, really |
| 00:54.30 | Monet | Well like Random said, a number of independent supporters want a maverick, a wildcard. |
| 00:54.53 | Monet | With Bernie out, Trump is the closest answer. |
| 00:55.00 | Wormy__ | Charles said to me, and I'm sure he can explain it better, that a large section of Bernie and Trump supporters are both anti-establishment regardless of the political opinions of the two. Now Bernie is gone, Trump is the only conceivable option. |
| 00:55.08 | Technobliterator | It's true that some of his appeal is the same appeal as what drew them to Sanders, but other than just trade deals, they basically do not align on any policies |
| 00:55.24 | Technobliterator | Wormy__, Monet, there are other options than just the two |
| 00:55.39 | Technobliterator | Gary Johnson and Jill Stein align pretty closely with him |
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| 00:56.07 | Monet | Yeah but Trump is also a more likely candidate for the presidency. |
| 00:56.08 | Technobliterator | If they just don't want to vote the establishment, they can go with those guys, neither are likely to win, but it'd still make a statement |
| 00:56.10 | Wormy__ | But they are far less notable, popular, have such media presence etc. |
| 00:56.27 | Monet | Yeah |
| 00:56.29 | Wormy__ | so not enough people hear much about them |
| 00:56.38 | Technobliterator | Well, Gary Johnson is close to the 15% polling required to get into the debates |
| 00:56.48 | Monet | There's less inclination to vote for a guy if it seems unlikely he'd have a chance. |
| 00:57.31 | Wormy__ | The people Charles told me about were very much dependent on the state to survive in history, but absolutely hated working for it as they got little back. |
| 00:57.42 | Technobliterator | But if they're just voting Trump to make a statement, there's other ways to do it without potentially doing massive damage |
| 00:58.22 | Wormy__ | So they will be absolutely desperate to choose the best conceivable or most convincing option of "out with the establishment" |
| 00:58.30 | Monet | And Wormy has a point. One issue independents might have is they don't track the candidacies as closely as party members. |
| 00:59.15 | Monet | For independent voters the important thing to retain their attention is often media exposure. |
| 00:59.41 | Technobliterator | Well, I see why they do it, but it strikes me as really stupid |
| 01:00.30 | Wormy__ | I call it the dumb version of libertarianism personally. |
| 01:00.52 | Monet | Silly, yes. But in this day and age exposure matters. |
| 01:01.11 | Monet | Trump, out of everyone, knew that best. |
| 01:01.22 | Technobliterator | I am a democratic socialist, but I sympathise a lot with libertarianism |
| 01:01.43 | DrodoEmpire | I'm a classical liberal/libertarian myself |
| 01:01.47 | Monet | Trump is a man who made "Win, win win" a campaign slogan |
| 01:02.14 | DrodoEmpire | My position might be considered conservative by other liberals, but I'm not quite that far to the right |
| 01:02.29 | Wormy__ | I sit between social democracy, liberal/classic democracy and libertarianism personally. |
| 01:02.38 | Wormy__ | Can't really decide |
| 01:04.17 | Technobliterator | I believe the state should exist solely to provide citizens with protection (for policing, military, and environment protection), economic mobility (as in, capitalism rather than crony capitalism, financial support if needed) and education |
| 01:04.38 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:04.38 | DrodoEmpire | Same |
| 01:04.46 | DrodoEmpire | State has a very clear and very limited set of responsibilities |
| 01:04.49 | DrodoEmpire | *The State |
| 01:05.52 | Technobliterator | It should not exist to dictate your personal life, such as the substances consumed, unless in the interest of public safety |
| 01:06.17 | DrodoEmpire | tet |
| 01:06.19 | DrodoEmpire | *test |
| 01:06.20 | Wormy__ | Stuff like the NHS I would defend, though that hardly makes me a socialist |
| 01:06.25 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:06.41 | Technobliterator | Absolutely |
| 01:06.46 | DrodoEmpire | In developed countries, access to subsidized healthcare for the most disadvantaged is arguably a human right |
| 01:06.50 | DrodoEmpire | And i support it |
| 01:06.52 | Technobliterator | But that comes under the state providing protection |
| 01:06.52 | DrodoEmpire | 8I |
| 01:06.54 | DrodoEmpire | &**I |
| 01:06.57 | DrodoEmpire | fuk |
| 01:07.00 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 01:07.32 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah actually it very well could come under protection |
| 01:07.51 | Wormy__ | There's something called the "Free Rider" problem I learned today about why we need a state |
| 01:08.21 | Monet | I'm not entirely sure but think I might be a centre-left leaning conservative type of person. |
| 01:08.22 | Wormy__ | I'll just link it |
| 01:08.39 | Technobliterator | Liberal conservative, Monet? |
| 01:09.05 | Wormy__ | https://youtu.be/Zz-QGieXo98?t=1m41s |
| 01:09.12 | Monet | Perhaps. I'm not fully acquainted with the entire spectrum. |
| 01:09.29 | Technobliterator | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_conservatism |
| 01:09.44 | Technobliterator | Conservative policies, liberal stances |
| 01:09.48 | Wormy__ | In reality I don't think its easy to pinpoint what your ideology is, nor desirable |
| 01:09.56 | Technobliterator | Or the reverse, which is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_liberalism |
| 01:09.59 | Technobliterator | Indeed |
| 01:10.09 | Technobliterator | I don't like calling myself left or right |
| 01:10.13 | Technobliterator | I am just anti-authority 8D |
| 01:10.38 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 01:10.49 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I might be classical liberal/liberal conservative |
| 01:10.55 | DrodoEmpire | Somewhere around there |
| 01:10.58 | Monet | Yeah. |
| 01:11.15 | Wormy__ | Karl Popper created a system that is a dialogue between the entire spectrum of democracies, democratic socialists, to liberals, to libers and conservatives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_society |
| 01:11.23 | DrodoEmpire | Really, its just that the Enlightenment's my religion <.< |
| 01:11.57 | Technobliterator | I definitely do not think social conservatism is going to last a lot longer |
| 01:12.16 | Technobliterator | Fiscal conservatism and ideas of limited government, absolutely, but social conservatism really isn't a thing anymore |
| 01:12.21 | Monet | I'm an advocate of free-market capialism (with regulations as I understand that if a company can cut corners it will cut corners), I'm in favour of views like same-sex relations, state-provided healthcare. |
| 01:12.22 | Technobliterator | not among young peole |
| 01:12.57 | Technobliterator | With democratic socialism, capitalism is just as important as socialism, if not more |
| 01:13.14 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Yeah |
| 01:13.20 | Technobliterator | I strongly oppose austerity as a means to reduce debt, favouring surplus instead |
| 01:13.23 | DrodoEmpire | Pretty much where I stand |
| 01:13.24 | Wormy__ | Are you sure you don't mean social democracy? |
| 01:13.49 | Technobliterator | Maybe? I'm not 100% sure the difference |
| 01:14.18 | Wormy__ | I thought democratic socialists want to gradually turn capitalist states into socialist ones through democratic means, and then eventually to socialism as a form of government |
| 01:14.43 | Technobliterator | Not to my knowledge, no |
| 01:15.27 | Wormy__ | While social democracy, which is easily confused with it, advocates capitalism but with social elements such as security as you mention |
| 01:15.44 | Technobliterator | Well, I'm probably closer to a social democrat if that's the case |
| 01:15.53 | Monet | But as said before I'm pro-nuclear, I believe the welfare state should have limits on what it can provide, and I prefer the market be responsible for managing the job market, not the state. |
| 01:15.55 | Technobliterator | And just very anti-authority |
| 01:16.11 | Wormy__ | Bernie Sanders is pretty much a social democratic as far as Europeans see him |
| 01:16.23 | Technobliterator | As far as Europeans see him, he's a centrist :p |
| 01:16.33 | Technobliterator | He's just in a crowd of center-right wingers |
| 01:16.45 | Wormy__ | lol |
| 01:17.23 | Technobliterator | I believe a universal basic income is the ideal to move towards, but it will be pretty difficult |
| 01:17.44 | DrodoEmpire | The level of development needed for that would have to be immense, yeah |
| 01:17.49 | DrodoEmpire | It might be possible, though |
| 01:18.02 | Wormy__ | You should read up on Karl Popper, he believed in systems and traditions (albeit, self-correcting ones) and was an avid opponenent of authoritarianism |
| 01:18.21 | Monet | A huge economy and a powerful infrastructure would be needed to support such a thing. |
| 01:18.46 | Technobliterator | But it may eventually be required, if we get to a point where jobs will no longer exist |
| 01:18.52 | Technobliterator | due to automation |
| 01:19.09 | Technobliterator | if robots take everyones' job, it will not be feasible to get most humans employed |
| 01:19.10 | Monet | I think there will always be new opportunities. |
| 01:19.12 | Wormy__ | The slayer of bad philosophy http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/1/1a/Popper.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060313175453 |
| 01:19.23 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 01:19.23 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 01:19.37 | Technobliterator | Pffft |
| 01:19.45 | Monet | Europe and America have experienced mass automation before. |
| 01:20.00 | Technobliterator | The main thing stealing jobs at this point is shipping them overseas |
| 01:20.52 | Monet | Companies go where the labour is chaapest. |
| 01:22.00 | Technobliterator | And essentially, they reward countries for violating human rights |
| 01:22.17 | Technobliterator | and then the companies who don't want to do that are forced to in order to compete |
| 01:22.46 | Monet | If you said 15 years ago "I want to write articles on the internet" or "I want to record myself playing games" as a career choice, people would think you're crazy. |
| 01:23.53 | The_Randomness | Yeah, I don't think total automation is realistic |
| 01:24.11 | Technobliterator | Total automation? No, but I imagine the unemployment levels will rise a lot |
| 01:24.22 | The_Randomness | I doubt that |
| 01:24.31 | Technobliterator | And for some people, I fear getting jobs will just never be feasible |
| 01:24.48 | Monet | One thing that is apparent these days is skill demand. |
| 01:25.20 | Monet | It's becoming almost impossible in the West to get a job that doesn't require you to have some kind of official education. |
| 01:25.24 | Wormy__ | It certainly isn't for two things: AI isn't close to matching human creativity, on't believe the over-optimistic media on AI developments. There will always be jobs narrow AI will be too inflexible for. And then when true Strong AI do emerge, they won't be slaves of man. |
| 01:26.04 | Technobliterator | I do not imagine AI will replace humans in terms of basically anything involving design |
| 01:26.16 | Monet | Not for a while. |
| 01:26.16 | Wormy__ | They will choose to do their own things, perhaps their own forms of labour in society, but they certainly won't be our calculators and desktops |
| 01:26.26 | Technobliterator | But manufacturing jobs, public transport, maybe even police, I do not think will survive |
| 01:26.51 | Monet | Police work still requires a human touch. |
| 01:26.56 | DrodoEmpire | I see police surviving |
| 01:27.01 | The_Randomness | same |
| 01:27.16 | Technobliterator | alright, that one might not go away completely |
| 01:27.18 | Wormy__ | As do I, its a job that demands flexibility. |
| 01:27.22 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:27.37 | Technobliterator | Pizza delivery jobs will go away :P |
| 01:27.52 | DrodoEmpire | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 01:28.05 | Wormy__ | As I say, there's two kinds of AI: narrow, which is fixed to a certain class of jobs. Or people. |
| 01:28.10 | DrodoEmpire | Actually no I doubt that |
| 01:28.16 | Wormy__ | Latter we aren't close to |
| 01:28.22 | Monet | I think Randomness' point is that these days the service industry makes up the bulk of developed economies. |
| 01:28.24 | DrodoEmpire | I doubt some small pizza place'll have the capital to buy a robot to do it |
| 01:28.42 | Technobliterator | Well, Domino's are already doing it |
| 01:28.44 | Monet | Only 2% of the UK population work in the primary sector - mining, farming, fishing, etc. |
| 01:28.45 | DrodoEmpire | They may settle paying some guy minimum wage to drive about, and maybe take the price in gas too |
| 01:28.56 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 01:29.02 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: Drone deliveries. |
| 01:29.04 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah but that's a big franchise |
| 01:29.09 | Technobliterator | And it's cheaper in the long run to buy a robot once and occasionally clean it than to pay for a delivery guy |
| 01:29.23 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right |
| 01:29.55 | DrodoEmpire | Actually automation's an interesting question in fiction really |
| 01:29.57 | DrodoEmpire | And what level its at |
| 01:30.11 | Technobliterator | well, it's one of the things I'm trying to address with URO |
| 01:30.12 | DrodoEmpire | I figure the Drodo, being traditionalist, aren' |
| 01:30.28 | Technobliterator | URO are all "nanomachines everywhere baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw" though |
| 01:30.53 | DrodoEmpire | *aren't actually *all that* automated, a lot of it having to do with having a huge amount of cheap manpower anyway and a deep-seated suspicion of AI/robots |
| 01:30.53 | Monet | I suppose in some respects it's a blessing that the birth rates in developed countries are going down. |
| 01:30.59 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:31.17 | Technobliterator | It's absolutely a blessing, the population is far too big |
| 01:31.40 | DrodoEmpire | The Drodo Empire's a pretty young population, almost universally able-bodied, and has a high birth rate that doesn't expect a high individual wage (thanks to the Drodo family structure) |
| 01:31.58 | DrodoEmpire | *Empire's got a pretty young population |
| 01:32.21 | Monet | One source of the population explosion - as seen in China and India - is that as healthcare improves, having 5-10 kids isn't as necessary |
| 01:32.26 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:32.27 | Technobliterator | I have not thought about URO's birth rate |
| 01:32.28 | Wormy__ | If Drodo get banished from their families, they must be in a dirt poor situation. |
| 01:32.35 | Technobliterator | UNO's birth rate was entirely manufactured, however |
| 01:32.36 | DrodoEmpire | Horrifically |
| 01:32.40 | DrodoEmpire | Horrifically poor |
| 01:32.49 | Technobliterator | the nanomachines suppressed sex hormones unless convenient |
| 01:32.54 | Technobliterator | and most people were cloned |
| 01:33.12 | DrodoEmpire | Orphans, the disowned, and poor aliens represent a small but terribly repressed underclass in the Empire |
| 01:33.33 | DrodoEmpire | As a result of almost every Drodo being a part of a huge, well-organised clan or tribe one way or another |
| 01:33.39 | DrodoEmpire | They're left out |
| 01:34.01 | Technobliterator | In URO, it doesn't exist \o/ |
| 01:34.04 | Technobliterator | due to basic income |
| 01:34.07 | Wormy__ | What about charity? |
| 01:35.06 | Wormy__ | Some clan that decided "no to this, lets create some charity funded orphanage" |
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| 01:35.25 | Monet | I think for the Imperium it depends on where you go. The Draconis themselves might actually have fairly low numbers. |
| 01:35.33 | DrodoEmpire_ | What was last said? |
| 01:35.39 | Technobliterator | <Technobliterator> In URO, it doesn't exist \o/ |
| 01:35.39 | Technobliterator | <Technobliterator> due to basic income |
| 01:35.39 | Technobliterator | <Wormy__> What about charity? |
| 01:35.39 | Technobliterator | <Wormy__> Some clan that decided "no to this, lets create some charity funded orphanage" |
| 01:35.46 | DrodoEmpire_ | kk, thanks |
| 01:35.48 | Wormy__ | That was fast |
| 01:35.51 | Monet | Then again I once wrote that the predecessor of Uriel XV had like 38 kids or something. |
| 01:35.58 | The_Randomness | O_o |
| 01:36.10 | DrodoEmpire_ | Anyway, the Empire itself provides like zero welfare or safety nets, but orphanages do exist and charities are donated to |
| 01:36.11 | Wormy__ | Long life though, right? |
| 01:36.21 | Monet | She was hundreds of years old by that point. |
| 01:36.33 | NeonPanda | Hel'Bre'K has several hundred by now but Fordanta have very high mortality rates (especially in the military) |
| 01:36.34 | DrodoEmpire_ | The Drodo take a great amount of pity on orphans |
| 01:36.51 | Technobliterator | Loron have high birth rates, but very high mortality rates |
| 01:36.55 | Technobliterator | because they kill each other all the time |
| 01:37.01 | Monet | NeonPanda: Fordanta need to take care of their troops more. |
| 01:37.10 | DrodoEmpire_ | And, I mean, its *really* hard to be disowned by a clan so they're a very small, universally-reviled minority in a minority |
| 01:37.56 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo have high birth rates and a moderate mortality rate, especially among males |
| 01:38.10 | NeonPanda | Monet: it's not that they don't take care of their troops, it's more an inevitability when the only way you go to war is all out extermination |
| 01:38.25 | DrodoEmpire_ | Mostly due to dangerous work or death in combat, be it in war as part of the military or due to some interclan conflict |
| 01:38.33 | NeonPanda | that and the fact that an individual's survival is more placed on them than their unit- sacrifice of individuals is standard to achieve the mmission |
| 01:39.11 | Technobliterator | I still have thought little about URO's military |
| 01:39.11 | Monet | I've written that what Draconis broodmothers tend to do is have a clutch, take care of it for 10 years, a time in which thwy won't make any more babies. The nit can be a decade or two before they are ready for another clutch. |
| 01:39.21 | DrodoEmpire_ | Or, especially among young aristocrats, death in duels |
| 01:39.50 | DrodoEmpire_ | So as far as Draconis go its a pretty fast cycle |
| 01:39.59 | DrodoEmpire_ | Considering they live centuries |
| 01:40.11 | Monet | Yeah. |
| 01:40.39 | Monet | So it might be common for many decades to pass between clutches. |
| 01:41.11 | NeonPanda | as far as the whole automation thing goes, Fordanta have just that many people that it isn't really necessary, although components are usually mass produced |
| 01:41.15 | Monet | Said clutches tend to consist of between 4 and 6 eggs. |
| 01:41.27 | NeonPanda | like, individual sheets will be stamped out en masse, but weapon assembly will be done by hand, for example |
| 01:41.57 | NeonPanda | it is also an ideological thing, though |
| 01:42.15 | DrodoEmpire_ | Right |
| 01:42.57 | NeonPanda | Fordanta do have what basically amounts to a communist barter system internally, so cutting costs isn't exactly a concern |
| 01:43.14 | NeonPanda | as in, your life is basically provided for as long as you're doing your job |
| 01:44.15 | Monet | For the Imperium I think it depends on where you go. |
| 01:44.41 | Monet | But I imagine it's quite automated, one of the reasons it's so hard ot engage a war of attrition with it. |
| 01:46.52 | NeonPanda | the ISF literally automates EVERYTHING and then some, like the only reason you'd make a physical prototype rather than simulating it is if you're particularly eccentric |
| 01:47.36 | NeonPanda | hand-making things just doesn't happen, the only equivalent they have is like a custom engraving or something (and of course proprietary designs) but they're still manufactured by machines |
| 01:48.28 | Monet | Although I can imagine the Imperium operates factories the size of cities that are only staffed by about say 200 organic/android staff. |
| 01:50.22 | NeonPanda | ISF forge ships would probably only have a crew of 3-5 in suspension (think the pods in the Matrix, that's literally what's going on), any manual work required would be carried out by either drones or nanites |
| 01:51.50 | NeonPanda | most of their escort ships only have a crew of two, essentially a pilot and a gunner |
| 01:52.18 | NeonPanda | and then all of a sudden colony ship with a good ten thousand people on it |
| 01:53.01 | Monet | I can imagine half of the staff in these city-sized factories are line managers or supervisors. |
| 02:07.28 | Wormy__ | Goodnight |
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| 03:44.12 | DrodoEmpire_ | ey laymo |
| 04:18.03 | DrodoEmpire_ | Just about 40% done downloading GTA V |
| 04:18.11 | DrodoEmpire_ | Game's enormous, jeez >.< |
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| 09:25.54 | Wormy_ | Hm, men of the pre-war society in the Fallout still wore fedoras, and yet they had cars. People wore hats in the olden days because they didn't clean their hair as much so wore hats to protect it from pollution. Public transport eliminated the need for hats. |
| 09:26.25 | Wormy_ | and having cars in general |
| 09:29.35 | NeonPanda | hats have other functions too, like keeping the sun off and looking highly trendy |
| 09:30.59 | Liquid_Ink | I misread that as keeping the sun from looking too trendy |
| 09:32.07 | NeonPanda | to be fair, the sun being trendy would be a public health threat- looking at the sun, no matter how trendy, is bad for your eyes |
| 09:32.56 | Wormy_ | Perhaps hats masked their eyes from distant nuclear accidents |
| 09:33.37 | NeonPanda | Wormy_: Or, y'know, kept the sun out of their eyes/faces e.t.c. e.t.c. |
| 09:36.18 | Wormy_ | Hats could always come back in fashion |
| 10:16.44 | Liquid_Ink | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCgzRxM5010 Poetry. |
| 10:28.40 | Wormy_ | Wtf |
| 10:28.50 | Liquid_Ink | Sound poetry |
| 10:28.57 | Liquid_Ink | http://www.ubu.com/historical/schwitters/ursonate.html |
| 10:29.57 | Wormy_ | Sounds like glossolalia |
| 10:30.57 | Wormy_ | https://youtu.be/3iQLfCALknA?t=33s |
| 10:33.56 | Liquid_Ink | Yeah, more or less, I think |
| 10:40.51 | Wormy_ | I suppose poetry like that is meant to expose the beauty of syntax, rather than meaning. |
| 10:41.11 | Liquid_Ink | Yes |
| 10:41.35 | Liquid_Ink | There's distinct poetic repitition |
| 10:43.33 | Wormy_ | I read a book called Godel Escher Bach once about the depth of mathematiucal and linguistic grammar, in all things from mathematics to genetics. It had these crazy paradoxical dialogues |
| 10:43.45 | Wormy_ | Like the Crab Canon http://genius.com/Douglas-hofstadter-crab-canon-annotated |
| 10:44.08 | Wormy_ | quite amusing that one |
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| 11:33.52 | Monet | Hello |
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| 12:07.20 | Hachiman | Hello |
| 12:09.20 | Monet | Hello |
| 12:09.35 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:09.51 | Monet | On another Quora binge. "How does the rest of the world see your country" in particular |
| 12:10.09 | Wormy_ | Niel Bevins created a new Xeelee inspired sketch https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YOREw |
| 12:11.56 | Hachiman | Ooh nice |
| 12:16.03 | Primisback | wow |
| 12:16.08 | Primisback | awesome |
| 12:16.20 | Primisback | people in the days of yore would like it too |
| 12:16.21 | Primisback | :P |
| 12:17.37 | Monet | I need to start reading my Xeelee Omnibus copy again |
| 12:18.27 | Hachiman | I gotta pick up Proxima again |
| 12:18.44 | Hachiman | And get my ass to Ultima |
| 12:19.38 | Monet | The one thing I'm taking away from "How does the rest of the world see your country" is the misconception that "developing" = 99% of the population is dirt-poor. |
| 12:19.51 | Monet | Is pertty widespread |
| 12:21.23 | Wormy_ | best quite summarises the whole thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeelee_Sequence#Reception |
| 12:21.28 | Wormy_ | quote |
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| 12:21.55 | Monet | Hi |
| 12:22.23 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 12:23.26 | Monet | I mean okay it's true that developing countries tend to have a poverty issue. |
| 12:23.40 | Wormy_ | Proxima once you get into the thick of it is like a space western with a whole lot of adventure in a very alien world and increasingly alien universe |
| 12:24.02 | Wormy_ | It has some shockers in it that change the perspective and themes completely |
| 12:24.32 | Monet | http://www.tourist-destinations.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Aerial-View-Astana-Kazakhstan.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/5j3p62he9/Astana2012_2.jpg Astana Khazakstan |
| 12:25.50 | Wormy_ | I want to know why the hell an element of it appeared in a Xeele story |
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| 12:29.55 | Wormy_ | Hachiman, Monet: The ending of this blew my mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l5Sur_8ezc |
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| 12:38.23 | Monet | I think one of the more interesting responses was someone from Zimbabwe heard foreigners found it surprising the country has a large white minority. |
| 12:44.01 | Monet | Back in secondary level geography when learning about the Brandt Line I remember being told that China and Brazil were peculiarities in that they were classed as developing nations but also were a lot like devleoped nations. |
| 12:44.19 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.48 | Wormy_ | You never know, enough inspiration from such works in a creative individual like him will set off fireworks even if he doesn't knoiw it |
| 12:45.10 | Wormy_ | And then we could see those elements in his games |
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| 13:19.43 | Monet | bbl |
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| 14:37.00 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 15:21.15 | Hachiman | I fucking hate spiders |
| 15:21.21 | Hachiman | Fucking awful little cunts |
| 15:22.14 | Hachiman | Tried to shower but a spider kept threatening to come close while I was doing my hair; decide I'll try and rinse the shampoo I had on in the sink and leave the rest for tomorrow, except there's a fucking spider in the goddamn sink |
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| 15:34.30 | NeonPanda | 1:30 am is the best time to make pancakes |
| 15:43.23 | Monet | Hi |
| 15:44.21 | Monet | Some wanker on a public server decided to shank me after going clothes shopping in GTA. |
| 15:45.24 | Monet | He thought he could outrun me and tried dropping explosives behind him. I put a bounty on his head, 20 seconds later the bounty gets claimed. |
| 15:46.31 | Monet | Chances are he had a friend off him (someone stole my car while I was shoppin gand was halfway to Chumash when I spotted him on the map) |
| 15:46.59 | Tek0516 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1469719053-20160728.png |
| 15:52.25 | Monet | The important thing is he died for ruining my new cashmere overcoat XD |
| 15:52.36 | NeonPanda | exactly |
| 15:54.47 | Monet | It cost me $6000 to put a bounty on his character's head but that's pocket change really |
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| 16:56.03 | Monet | Hi |
| 16:57.47 | Imperios | Gu |
| 16:57.53 | Imperios | Monet Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aqj5b3LlKA |
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| 17:03.55 | Imperios | Hi |
| 17:07.32 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 17:13.50 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13776002_1257217500968820_7306377076460969082_n.jpg?oh=8f9c733f853f0071593423d3bd7c2467&oe=58104163 we'z da emprah's greenest |
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| 17:43.30 | Monet | In LS right now so soz |
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| 18:24.49 | Wormy_ | RIP Mr Garibaldi http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36918773 |
| 18:28.41 | Wormy_ | Girl is likked after an elephant throws a stone in her direction http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36914884 |
| 18:28.44 | Wormy_ | killed |
| 18:29.02 | OluapPlayer | FORE |
| 18:35.11 | Charles_Office | test |
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| 18:48.53 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/g0mFe |
| 18:57.12 | Wormy_ | My friend who went to the Australian outback told me about this, an Aborgine tourguide said "These ain't your regular stinging netals" and basically pointed out everythiing that could kill within 10 feet http://i.imgur.com/u3qnO2R.jpg |
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| 19:03.17 | Wormy_ | would totally lose http://i.imgur.com/bXX1mPV.jpg |
| 19:03.22 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 19:05.23 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/yujgW3o.jpg |
| 19:06.08 | Xho | And thus Sir Mixalot was born |
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| 19:21.34 | Xho | Man my internet sucks |
| 19:23.44 | OluapPlayer | get on my level |
| 19:27.22 | Xho | nah ur alright |
| 19:27.50 | Xho | So that Gmod video I've made is already one of my most liked |
| 19:27.53 | Xho | 42/0 so far |
| 19:28.43 | OluapPlayer | weed etc |
| 19:30.04 | Xho | Oh wow |
| 19:33.15 | OluapPlayer | Boring as fuck day though |
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| 20:15.08 | Wormy_ | "It's not uncommon for dogs to bury bad-smelling things." http://imgur.com/gallery/k7ohBJd |
| 20:16.25 | Imperios | Monet: https://youtu.be/hxt3sg_sKn8?t=69 Now that is a good source of Pokeballs |
| 20:25.31 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: A purple orb was found by the crew of the Nautilus under the ocean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqyKrvk0aZo |
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| 20:33.05 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 21:08.02 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 21:09.08 | Xho | Hachiman: So the new Meshuggah album will be called 'The Violent Sleep of Reason' |
| 21:09.27 | Hachiman | Nice |
| 21:09.34 | Xho | 7th October release |
| 21:10.41 | Hachiman | Fuck |
| 21:10.48 | Hachiman | How many tracks? |
| 21:11.06 | Xho | Don't know so far |
| 21:11.52 | The_Randomness | hmm, I think I may just try out Skyrim sometime soon |
| 21:15.05 | Wormy_ | Its taken you this long to not play Skyrim? :P |
| 21:15.13 | The_Randomness | :P |
| 21:15.29 | Wormy_ | Then again, it too me this long to not play Fallout games. |
| 21:19.48 | Monet | I'm getting deja-vu. |
| 21:24.35 | Wormy_ | rekt of the fucking year http://i.imgur.com/zm3Hy2s.jpg |
| 21:29.26 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13880273_1257492894274585_8808150922753696265_n.jpg?oh=5773e30597f041c65dac8f218f9618d6&oe=5812A67B |
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| 21:30.13 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 21:30.34 | Charles_Murray | Hey |
| 21:30.51 | The_Randomness | Hey Charles |
| 21:30.55 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/Fyrtc7N |
| 21:31.50 | OluapPlayer | snake |
| 21:32.06 | Charles_Murray | New chapter of March of the Eagles: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:March_of_the_Eagles |
| 21:36.00 | Charles_Murray | brb |
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| 21:50.27 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 21:55.05 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 22:06.58 | Wormy_ | Monet: Thunderf00t responds to Muskies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDwe2M-LDZQ |
| 22:15.26 | Imperios | Xho: "You need hazard gear to land on the planet, let alone breathe on it." Just read the Paclernos page |
| 22:15.44 | Xho | Kicath - WELCOME TO THE FIRE FIELDS MOTHERFUCKER |
| 22:15.50 | Imperios | Does that refer to the fact that Kicath are living silicon lizards |
| 22:15.59 | Imperios | Or that their planet is fucked up industrially |
| 22:16.11 | Xho | The former |
| 22:16.42 | Imperios | "Kicath themselves require technological enhancement to protect themselves from inhalation of water in order to survive on foreign worlds." |
| 22:16.44 | Xho | Paclernos' enviroment isn't safe for Humans nor any species that can breathe an Earth-like atmosphere |
| 22:16.55 | Imperios | The Wicked Witch of Paclernos |
| 22:20.48 | Monet | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za8G70bbKRY BAt-MAAAN |
| 22:22.04 | The_Randomness | Charles_Murray_: Let me know if you want to do any collabverse stuff |
| 22:25.32 | Monet | Wormy_: I love all this |
| 22:26.23 | Monet | "Musk is a self-made billionaire, so he must know about this stuff" |
| 22:27.05 | Wormy_ | He's made blunders before. Heck, he's also kumped on the singularity-bandwagon and AI hypetrain |
| 22:27.14 | Wormy_ | *jumped |
| 22:27.15 | Monet | "Musk is a successful self-made man with massive companies, I trust his word over a science teacher any day" |
| 22:36.39 | Monet | Elon's a futurist and a speculator. |
| 22:37.16 | Monet | Jumping on the AI hypetrain may give the field a good boost. |
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| 22:41.07 | Wormy_ | Wikipedia is being totally biased https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hyperloop#Risks_section |
| 22:41.25 | Wormy_ | Not enough criticism or risk consideration on the page |
| 22:41.41 | Wormy_ | The only worthy criticism by a scientist is shunned without explanation |
| 22:42.06 | Monet | "unsupported except for a YouTube video by a crank" |
| 22:47.10 | Imperios | "preaching never works in movies." |
| 22:47.27 | Imperios | (related to the topic of race and gender in cinematography) |
| 22:47.35 | Imperios | Does the man who wrote this even Great Dictator |
| 22:50.00 | Tybusen | To be fair though, The Great Dictator was a contributing factor to the decline of Charlie Chaplin's career when it first came out |
| 22:50.26 | Tybusen | The Great Dictator was vindicated by history, but at the time it came out, people didn't like how preachy it came off |
| 23:00.42 | Monet | http://www.polygon.com/2016/7/28/12318354/pokemon-snorlax-bean-bag-chair awkward title |
| 23:03.21 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 23:03.32 | Tybusen | Are you telling me you don't want to sit on Snorlax's face in the winter |
| 23:04.14 | Charles_Murray_ | Tybusen : Apparently Hitler liked it though |
| 23:04.55 | Tybusen | I don't think Snorlax existed in 1931 |
| 23:05.19 | Tybusen | Though I think Hitler would have appreciated a Snorlax in the winter |
| 23:05.31 | Monet | Related but http://www.polygon.com/2016/2/26/11121558/pokemon-snorlax-cushion-bandai-pre-orders I wonder how many Tokyo citizens could find room for this |
| 23:06.47 | Tybusen | Just wait until there's lifesize Snorlax plush physically blocking major routes in Tokyo |
| 23:09.31 | Monet | "Hey mr Snorlax, please way up so I can beat you unconscious" |
| 23:10.52 | Imperios | Tybusen Monet Hachiman Xho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Shattering#The_Big_Game BEHOLD, I ACTUALLY WRITE STUFF |
| 23:10.56 | Imperios | ME AND MONEY |
| 23:10.57 | Imperios | MONET |
| 23:11.00 | Imperios | DOING SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE |
| 23:12.10 | Imperios | Charles_Murray_: You may also take a look, it has a bit of political ideology by Vesperon |
| 23:13.50 | Imperios | Wormy_: Ohgod them YouTube comments |
| 23:13.53 | Tybusen | Imperios: I just remembered that there was a question I wanted to ask you |
| 23:13.54 | Wormy_ | This site turns Wikipedia's Recent Changes into musical notes http://listen.hatnote.com/ |
| 23:13.54 | Imperios | "homophobic means that you are afraid of gays. It does not mean you dont like them. The British are well known for lots of buggery, and kinkiness, while trying to appear all stiff and proper in public. Behind the scenes they are demons. The Irish have lots of reasons not to like the British army, so to hell with the buggers, and "mates".  " |
| 23:14.04 | Imperios | Tybusen: Hi? |
| 23:14.13 | Imperios | *Hm? |
| 23:14.15 | Tybusen | Whatever happened to the Illidans |
| 23:14.48 | Imperios | Tybusen: They're now the Tertamian Alliance, a precursor fiction |
| 23:14.50 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Where is that from? |
| 23:14.57 | Tybusen | They ended up being a significant species in the in-game version of the GSC and I don't see any other mentions of them in modern times |
| 23:15.00 | Imperios | Well they have always been the Tertamian Alliance |
| 23:15.10 | Imperios | But the species is now just called "Tertamians" |
| 23:15.26 | Imperios | The closest thing to Illidans in the modern Gig is the Tertanai |
| 23:15.32 | Hachiman | Imperios Monet: Oh, shit's kicking off |
| 23:15.37 | Imperios | yiy |
| 23:16.09 | Imperios | ...I actually considered there being Tertanai cultures far from Andromeda |
| 23:16.17 | Imperios | Wormy_: Some IRA song |
| 23:16.26 | Monet | Also this is the first time we see Mrs. Vesperon |
| 23:16.30 | Imperios | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKPt2iVjNVE |
| 23:16.57 | Xho | Technobliterator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct9wftPqXtU |
| 23:17.11 | Technobliterator | sec |
| 23:17.26 | Tybusen | Imperios: It's possible the GSC Illidan species could be a distant far-flung relative of the Tertanai |
| 23:18.03 | Monet | Wormy_: I like how this 'internet crank' included a section of his video that I linked the other day |
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| 23:23.34 | ImpyDroid | blrg |
| 23:23.50 | ImpyDroid | Did anyone say anything? |
| 23:23.55 | The_Randomness | don't think so |
| 23:26.01 | Monet | What did you last see? |
| 23:28.30 | ImpyDroid | Not sure |
| 23:31.21 | ImpyDroid | Thanks for the feedback everyone ^_^ |
| 23:31.21 | ImpyDroid | ~poke Charles_Murray_ |
| 23:31.21 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Charles_Murray_, pokes Charles_Murray_ repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 23:34.11 | Hachiman | For people who are currently here |
| 23:34.49 | Hachiman | I was wondering about the possibility of claiming FalcoPunch's fiction and working and expanding on it - including retcons, revamps, rewrites, etc |
| 23:35.07 | Hachiman | He has not been present for years and I think we are all certain that he is not coming back |
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| 23:36.12 | Hachiman | I'd like to claim it and work on it because Falco was a dear friend of mine and I do not want his work being left behind even if he isn't with us to work on it himself anymore |
| 23:36.50 | ImpyDroid | ^ Gonna say I am for him |
| 23:36.54 | ImpyDroid | His ideas were brilliant |
| 23:37.00 | Tybusen | I personally wouldn't have any objections, though we still do need to consider the edge case that Falco for whatever reason turns up again |
| 23:37.04 | The_Randomness | What was his fiction again? |
| 23:37.21 | Hachiman | Sylits and the United Veatrex Federation |
| 23:37.47 | The_Randomness | I've heard those names before, it's been too long I guess |
| 23:37.57 | Technobliterator | I would support, I liked Falco |
| 23:38.19 | Monet_2 | I knew him only briefly but I know how close you two were. |
| 23:38.21 | Hachiman | If Falco does return, I would be more than happy to hand ownership back over to him |
| 23:38.39 | Hachiman | But for now, I'd like the opportunity to work in his memory |
| 23:38.40 | Technobliterator | He also does not strike me as the sort who would object if he returned and found out you did a good job with it |
| 23:39.01 | Tybusen | The best solution IMO would be to find a way to get his OK for it, though I don't think there's really any problem with picking up where he left off |
| 23:39.29 | Technobliterator | Of the long gone users who would object to anyone doing that, the only one I'd imagine would be Mush |
| 23:39.34 | Technobliterator | But pffffft |
| 23:39.46 | Hachiman | I have tried finding a way to contact Falco for years to no avail and the idea of claiming his fiction has been on my mind for about a year or so |
| 23:39.47 | Tybusen | He doesn't seem like the type who would care (especially if Hachi's doing it) but we do have to consider the possibility that he does care, even if I don't think he does |
| 23:40.09 | Tybusen | If we can't contact him, then I'd still say it's probably fine |
| 23:40.14 | ImpyDroid | I remember recycling R17's fiction |
| 23:40.56 | Xho | Interspecies romance between feather raptors and alligators will never be forgotten |
| 23:41.01 | Xho | Nor reprehensible |
| 23:41.06 | Hachiman | It will be written out of canon however |
| 23:41.06 | Tybusen | I'm just cautious because I remember seeing Irsk on DeviantArt being defensive over the use of the KA species |
| 23:41.11 | Xho | GOOD |
| 23:42.51 | Monet_2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.56 | Hachiman | He is |
| 23:43.26 | Hachiman | I just wanted to get a consensus on people's opinions about me taking over for Falco |
| 23:43.29 | Tybusen | Yeah, and he left a warning to us not to use any of his DA stuff, which I don't think any of us were planning on anyways |
| 23:43.34 | Monet_2 | Although I don't knwo any more because I'm keeping far away form FA. |
| 23:43.36 | The_Randomness | I'm fine with it |
| 23:43.53 | Hachiman | It's been on my mind and I have debated with the idea of it for some time, so it's not an impulsive thing |
| 23:44.00 | Tybusen | I'd give my approval of Hachi taking on Falco's legacy |
| 23:44.23 | ImpyDroid | I am all for Hachi here |
| 23:44.24 | Tybusen | I do miss him but I guess not everyone is going to stick around forever |
| 23:44.27 | Monet_2 | But back to the topic at hand. The consensus appears to be in support of the idea. |
| 23:45.54 | The_Randomness | This reminds me, I need to figure out what to do with the stuff that I've left behind |
| 23:46.02 | Tybusen | Looking at the Memes page again is a rush of nostalgia |
| 23:52.47 | ImpyDroid | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/7d/AnteddyundAdolf.png/revision/latest?cb=20120625010148 Ermagerd |
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