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00:39.28 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
00:39.39 | Charles_Murray | Hey |
00:42.55 | Spluff5 | High |
01:03.23 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire: Like my doggyshield? http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/2c/Bodyshield.png/revision/latest?cb=20160726010300 |
01:04.07 | Wormy_ | Monet_2 too |
01:04.17 | DrodoEmpire | A wee small |
01:05.04 | Wormy_ | It worked for me that time |
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10:40.11 | Wormy_ | hi |
10:43.01 | Monet | Hi |
10:43.27 | Monet | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSV5Z_fjqbc I am...wow |
10:43.37 | Monet | This thing is spacious |
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11:18.37 | NeonPanda | hi all |
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11:26.23 | Monet | Hello. |
11:28.47 | Monet | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36890563 Solar Impulse has completed its round-the-world trip |
11:31.08 | Charles_Murray | Hey |
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13:25.27 | NeonPanda | Monet: it's an odd feeling when you can just enslave your own people in Stellaris and they don't mind |
13:45.02 | Monet | Playing collectivist? |
13:48.06 | NeonPanda | mhm |
13:48.20 | NeonPanda | collectivist/fan materialist |
13:48.58 | NeonPanda | my friend on the other hand who is fan spiritualist/collectivist gets at +30% happiness bonus in enslaved pops... which is just odd when you really think about it |
13:50.19 | Monet | I suppose the happiness comes from having purpose. |
13:50.54 | Monet | They're working for nothing but maybe they're conditioned to see working in servitude as the purest form of work, undiluted by self-interest. |
13:54.32 | NeonPanda | something like that, still weird from an outside perspective |
13:54.55 | NeonPanda | like, I can rationalise how the Aztecs believed what they did, doesn't make the idea of competing for the honour of having your heart cut out any more appealing :P |
13:59.35 | Monet | True. |
14:00.26 | Wormy_ | One can understand why medieval peoples tried and punished animals, including moths in court, but it doesn't make it any less strange in an age far removed from from extrovert belief in sympathetic magic. |
15:17.51 | Charles_Bot | Test |
15:19.39 | Monet | Loud and clear |
15:51.49 | NeonPanda | internet derped, am I still connected? |
15:53.06 | Monet | Yes |
15:54.02 | NeonPanda | sweet |
15:54.24 | NeonPanda | I've been watching a lot of Rimworld, and yeah I've prettymuch figured why people like Dwarf Fortress so much |
15:56.23 | NeonPanda | kinda reminds me of the early setup stages of Minecraft, only it keeps going on rather than "well I have food and a secure house, I basically win" |
16:00.11 | Monet | Yeah. |
16:00.33 | Monet | Although as I understand it, grasping DF is much less of a cliff-hike. |
16:04.41 | NeonPanda | funnily enough Minecraft never used to be hard to get ahold of, it was only when they started adding way too much content that it got weird |
16:05.03 | NeonPanda | like before the Adventure Update it was just a good, simple fun game |
16:09.10 | Charles_Bot | Hnnng |
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16:09.24 | Charles_Bot | I want to take a speechwriting class next year |
16:09.35 | NeonPanda | as far as the DF - Rimworld comparison goes, I haven't actually seen much of DF being played, so I can't really give a good comparison |
16:09.42 | Charles_Bot | After having seen Michelle Obama's speech last night |
16:09.51 | Charles_Bot | That thing was magical |
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16:10.19 | Monet | Hallo |
16:10.20 | Hachiman | Hi |
16:10.56 | NeonPanda | hi |
16:12.45 | Monet | Cahrles_Bot: A mix of good writing and charisma. |
16:31.47 | Wormy_ | Monet, NeonPanda: So I got creative in FO4 and started using body shields http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/2c/Bodyshield.png/revision/latest?cb=20160726010300 |
16:31.58 | Wormy_ | Works best if going through narrow entrances |
16:32.48 | NeonPanda | picture isn't quite clear, did you just shove Preston in front of a super mutant? |
16:33.45 | Monet | That's a dog being held |
16:34.07 | Wormy_ | Preston isn't there, but that's Strong who is pretty useless and falls. I'm behind the dog, carrying it in front with a rifle, and using VATs to take the shot from a different angle |
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16:35.09 | The_Randomness | Hello |
16:35.22 | Wormy_ | hi |
16:36.15 | Wormy_ | I got the idea after battling Super Mutants, one died standing up so I used it to hide behind. |
16:49.20 | Wormy_ | Its not a very good example of it, but I guess it would fit the definition of emergent gameplay Monet |
16:49.40 | Monet | Its improvisational. |
16:53.39 | Wormy_ | My three main companions have been Strong, Cait and Codsworth. Codsworth is by the far the strongest out of those but he lacks the ability to pick locks |
16:54.14 | Wormy_ | Cait's responses the funniest |
16:54.32 | Wormy_ | g2g |
17:06.58 | NeonPanda | my preferred companion is no companion, I always max affinity with Cait because it's Cait, but either I'm power armoured up and doing all the work, or I'm stealthing up and doing all the work |
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17:10.42 | Monet | Hallo |
17:11.21 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
17:11.51 | DrodoEmpire | Just got done with a Traffic Control course, so I'm pretty happy about that :D |
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17:12.09 | Monet | Hi |
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17:19.00 | Imperios | THEY FUCKING FIXED THE INTERNET ALREADY |
17:19.02 | Imperios | YES |
17:19.24 | DrodoEmpire | Who is 'they'? |
17:19.28 | DrodoEmpire | What needed fixing? |
17:21.34 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: Sorry, you are a bit out of the loop here |
17:21.35 | Imperios | Basically |
17:22.04 | Imperios | There was a big emergency in my house that caused all Internet and television to be cut off for several days |
17:22.09 | Imperios | I expected it to last like a week or more |
17:22.12 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
17:22.20 | DrodoEmpire | Harrowing. <.< |
17:23.16 | DrodoEmpire | In all seriousness I am glad to hear |
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17:40.14 | Quark8 | Hello. |
17:50.18 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/13645165_882391128560005_9001556990515921835_n.jpg?oh=0abc40bdff19392c97f1d30488d9d0b7&oe=581CE090 Daily dose of cancer |
17:51.01 | Wormy_away | at lea\st it has fruit in it |
17:51.05 | Hachiman | Imperios ImpyDroid2 : I'll get around to reading Sanctuarium in a bit |
17:51.12 | Hachiman | Or how it was called |
17:51.21 | Hachiman | I dunno, I was tired when you linked it |
17:51.54 | Imperios | Sanctuarium yes |
17:52.17 | Imperios | Hachiman: What does this pictur even mean |
17:52.18 | Imperios | I am confused |
17:52.28 | Hachiman | Lactose intolerant |
17:54.09 | Hachiman | Like that time that someone on Twitter spelled "arthritis" as "Arthur write this" |
17:55.33 | Monet | *shakes fist* Damn you autocorrect!!!! |
17:55.36 | Wormy_away | Uh huh duh (I never get things like that) |
17:56.11 | Imperios | Hachiman: Yes I know that feel |
17:56.13 | Imperios | Autocorrect |
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18:01.26 | Quark8 | Hello DrodoEmpire. |
18:01.32 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
18:16.25 | Imperios | God I hate this fucking Tatar girl |
18:23.06 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
18:26.52 | Imperios | We used to date for a short while, first she basically showered me with compliments, then left, but continues bugging me every now and then |
18:27.05 | Imperios | Often when she's sad or stuff |
18:27.14 | Imperios | She's also a bit dense |
18:27.40 | Imperios | I know I am beginning to sound like Hachi hur |
18:32.13 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
18:33.14 | Hachiman | I do understand where he's coming from |
18:35.29 | Monet | Well, maybe emphasis on beginning. |
18:54.57 | Wormy_away | There used to be this psycho girl in my college who would stalk young men she liked even out of college, and she would poke or punch you or grab your hair. She poked me in the eye in a snow fight once by trying to smother my face in snow |
18:55.30 | Wormy_away | Even I, a bit lonely back then wanted to be as far away from her as possible |
19:09.25 | Charles_Bot | Imperios: No idea why, but I got along really well with the Russian exchange students at my school |
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19:29.36 | Xho | WHAT'S GOOD NYUGGAH |
19:31.14 | Monet | I do not fear you! |
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19:32.27 | Xho | So now Microsoft is literally blocking your screen for a Windows 10 update |
19:32.31 | Xho | I SWEAR TO LUCIFER |
19:32.34 | Monet | Ho |
19:32.35 | Xho | also ups |
19:32.39 | OluapPlayer | ho |
19:32.55 | OluapPlayer | I wouldn't know since i already upgraded |
19:33.03 | Xho | AAAA |
19:33.31 | Monet | I caved in as well |
19:33.37 | Hachiman | I'm not |
19:33.45 | Hachiman | Windows 7 4lyfe |
19:33.46 | OluapPlayer | No reason not to as far as I'm concerned |
19:36.21 | Xho | I'm apprehensive as to how compatible my stuff would be with Windows 10 |
19:37.54 | OluapPlayer | Depends of what you use |
19:37.54 | Monet | My stuff transferred fairly well |
19:38.27 | OluapPlayer | I've not had any compatibility issues but granted, my PC is mostly just Steam games |
19:38.28 | Xho | spore n shit |
19:38.30 | Monet | Though I made sure to update my graphics drivers |
19:38.34 | OluapPlayer | Spore works fine |
19:38.57 | Xho | I dunno I'm intending to get a new desktop next year so I might just wait until then |
19:39.27 | Monet | It will no longer be free by then |
19:39.55 | Xho | >new desktop |
19:40.02 | Xho | course it wouldn't be doi |
19:40.21 | Xho | I dunno how much I'm looking to spend but basically the most hi spec thing out there because dicks must be waved |
19:40.42 | Xho | Also I like hi-res graphics and shit |
19:40.51 | OluapPlayer | Unless you intend to replace your hard drive you've no reason to pay later for something that's free now |
19:41.04 | Monet | I mean Windows 10 stops being free |
19:41.20 | Xho | Well like I said getting a new desktop would entail spending money anyway |
19:41.38 | Xho | Might as well wait until then rather than upgrade now |
19:43.22 | Xho | I need to save money anyway |
19:43.25 | Xho | For something I dunno |
19:43.58 | Xho | Christmas presents mostly |
19:44.09 | Xho | I hate giving presents but I like receiving presents |
19:44.20 | OluapPlayer | everyone ever |
19:44.24 | OluapPlayer | Still |
19:44.30 | OluapPlayer | Christmas is in 6 months thp |
19:44.32 | OluapPlayer | tho |
19:44.50 | Xho | It goes mad in the UK by October really |
19:45.09 | Xho | My mum's birthday is in August as well and that's always an expensive venture |
19:45.14 | Xho | #mothers |
19:45.43 | Xho | The last time I went out birthday shopping, I bought myself a mug with the handle shaped and coloured like a knuckle duster |
19:46.04 | Xho | http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0534/9277/products/knuckle-duster-mug-white-gold.png?v=1444735882 This one |
19:46.07 | Xho | Fucking worth it |
19:46.13 | Wormy_away | <PROTECTED> |
19:46.33 | Monet | My mother is like me - when asked 'what do you want' we draw blanks |
19:46.37 | Xho | I get the same thing |
19:46.51 | Xho | Being on the 21st, most of my friends are with their families for Christmas by then |
19:46.57 | Wormy_away | Yeah |
19:46.59 | Xho | So I'm forced to spend it alone nine times out of ten |
19:47.15 | OluapPlayer | u got us |
19:47.16 | OluapPlayer | hssss |
19:47.18 | Xho | aye |
19:47.25 | Xho | Fuck real life friends lol |
19:47.55 | Xho | Truth is I don't really have any at this point because work life has put me into a stagnant pit of despair and stress related illness but hey here we are |
19:48.09 | OluapPlayer | #adultlife |
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19:52.09 | Monet2 | The ballad of.modern life |
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19:54.33 | Monet2 | So according to the BBC the personal details of Xsplit users from 2013 has been found on sale within the dark net |
19:56.46 | Hachiman | Not surprising |
19:57.30 | Monet2 | And because a lot of people like to use the same email and password for multiple accounts, lots of sites have been compromised |
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20:57.28 | Wormy_away | Hachiman: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/26/fireman-sam-producer-apologises-after-showing-character-treading/ |
20:57.55 | Hachiman | Holy shit |
20:59.50 | Imperios | OH GOD DAMMIT PEOPLE |
20:59.51 | Wormy_away | "HIT Entertainment, the producer of the programme, last night issued an unreserved apology, and said it was cancelling its contract with the Chinese animation studio responsible for making the scenes." |
21:00.16 | Wormy_away | Either the studio had no idea it was offensive, or it was on purpose |
21:00.37 | Imperios | Firaxis has just shown first Civ VI leaders; France is led by a queen |
21:00.46 | Imperios | Now everyone is whining about feminism and that she did nothing |
21:00.53 | Imperios | Even if America and Japan have obscure leaders as well |
21:00.58 | Imperios | Theodore Roosevelt |
21:00.59 | Imperios | Literally who |
21:01.07 | Imperios | Hojo Takimune |
21:01.09 | Imperios | Literally who |
21:01.15 | Imperios | But nobody whines because they're male |
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21:01.29 | Imperios | Some obscure French *queen* though? |
21:01.30 | The_Randomness | Hello |
21:01.36 | Imperios | Everyone screams feminism1 |
21:01.40 | Imperios | Fucking pathetic |
21:01.43 | Imperios | Hi Random |
21:01.54 | Technobliterator | Yeah, Imp, this should be obvious : | |
21:01.55 | Technobliterator | hi random |
21:02.09 | The_Randomness | what's this? |
21:02.32 | Imperios | The_Randomness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENMzcvQVvzA&list=PL-lTq9LJCHpSaQ0tkRQIwDC0-dawYWmkg&index=3 Civ VI leaders announced; America, Japan and France got fairly obscure rulers |
21:02.44 | Imperios | However people only complain about Catherine de Medici |
21:02.48 | Imperios | Because she's a woman |
21:02.51 | Technobliterator | France is led by a queen in Civ VI so everyone's upset |
21:02.52 | Imperios | And you know |
21:02.55 | Imperios | FEMINISM |
21:02.56 | Imperios | PANDERING |
21:02.59 | The_Randomness | zz |
21:03.05 | Technobliterator | They said the same about Rey in TFA |
21:03.05 | Imperios | zz |
21:03.05 | Wormy_away | Cue Fireman Sam memes https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Fireman%20Sam%22&src=tren |
21:03.12 | Imperios | As in you agree that this is stupid? |
21:03.20 | The_Randomness | The outrage? Yeah |
21:04.00 | The_Randomness | But outrage is stupid, what's the problem with them choosing a female leader for a nation in a game? |
21:04.12 | The_Randomness | Well, I mean, outrage is stupid by default. |
21:04.16 | DrodoEmpire | There isn't any |
21:04.39 | DrodoEmpire | Imp is overblowing whatever outrage there is because that's what he does :p |
21:04.45 | The_Randomness | This is true |
21:04.59 | DrodoEmpire | And when was Qin Shi Huang ever obscure? :p |
21:04.59 | Hachiman | Imperios: Did you just say "literally who" about Theodore Roosevelt |
21:05.05 | DrodoEmpire | And him |
21:05.07 | Imperios | Well |
21:05.13 | Imperios | He's not the WW2 Roosevelt right |
21:05.13 | Hachiman | As in, one of the most badass American Presidents to ever live |
21:05.14 | Imperios | He's his father |
21:05.19 | Imperios | If I am correct |
21:05.30 | DrodoEmpire | Everybody knows who Theodore Roosevelt is in the wesy |
21:05.33 | DrodoEmpire | *west |
21:05.47 | DrodoEmpire | He's not at all obscure. :p |
21:05.58 | Imperios | Oh, alright |
21:06.29 | Hachiman | I agree that the outrage about a female ruler is dumb though |
21:06.35 | DrodoEmpire | Also people aren't mad that she's a woman- they're mad because she isn't even French. :p |
21:06.45 | DrodoEmpire | Don't misrepresent the issue |
21:06.48 | The_Randomness | ah |
21:06.49 | Imperios | Napoleon |
21:06.49 | DrodoEmpire | That's dishonest |
21:06.51 | Hachiman | People should be more upset that Montezuma is pre-order exclusive for the first 90 days |
21:06.54 | The_Randomness | I wasn't away |
21:06.56 | The_Randomness | *aware |
21:07.00 | Imperios | Catherine II |
21:07.00 | Charles_Murray | Wait wat |
21:07.10 | Hachiman | Montezuma is a timed pre-order exclusive |
21:07.18 | Imperios | I can name a few foreign Civ rulers |
21:07.23 | Imperios | Stalin |
21:07.26 | Imperios | Who else |
21:07.34 | Charles_Murray | Catherine de Medici is a really strange choice |
21:07.38 | Hachiman | Gandhi |
21:07.53 | Imperios | Queen Victoria |
21:07.55 | Imperios | Pretty German too |
21:08.05 | Charles_Murray | Both the Civ V and Civ VI French rulers weren't actually French lol |
21:08.08 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: People scream "feminism", just take a look |
21:08.17 | Imperios | And if people complain about her not being French |
21:08.25 | Imperios | Well, again, we have Stalin and Napoleon |
21:08.41 | Imperios | None argued against Stalin on the grounds that he was not Russian now didn't they |
21:08.43 | Imperios | I wonder why :P |
21:09.00 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: *Somewhat* german, but the entire ruling class of Europe was semi-related at that point and many were foreign |
21:09.14 | Imperios | Which is why Catherine de Medici's Italian descent is not a problem |
21:09.35 | DrodoEmpire | And Napoleon was *iconic*. You're right, he wasn't full French, but he served France for a long time at the very least and everyone remembers him for that |
21:09.41 | DrodoEmpire | And yes, clearly, many people are upset at that |
21:10.12 | Charles_Murray | Well no, I would argue differently |
21:10.17 | Imperios | Well so did Catherine if my understanding is correct |
21:10.17 | DrodoEmpire | Looked at the top comments of the page |
21:10.24 | DrodoEmpire | One that could be interpreted as anti-feminist |
21:10.31 | DrodoEmpire | You're full of shit, Imperios |
21:10.38 | Charles_Murray | Whoa |
21:10.41 | DrodoEmpire | Stop overblowing stuff, its obnoxious |
21:10.45 | Charles_Murray | Okay, we're done |
21:10.58 | Imperios | Alright |
21:11.06 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry, but I had to get that off of my chest because it bothered me |
21:11.31 | Imperios | Same thing, that's why I vented |
21:11.38 | Imperios | I hate seeing accusations of feminist pandering everywhere |
21:11.57 | DrodoEmpire | You do it all the time for cheap laughs. I disproved what you've said handedly this one time |
21:12.03 | Imperios | Give me a break, the shitstorms are almost never-ending |
21:12.16 | Imperios | Look at the comment sections inside though |
21:12.18 | Imperios | Like the replies |
21:12.22 | DrodoEmpire | I *did* |
21:12.22 | Imperios | A lot of them complain about pandering |
21:12.25 | Wormy_away | Did people complain with Elizabeth the 1st in Civ 5 (probably not because it might predate this narrative's popularity, though anybody who does in stupid because she was a badarse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_to_the_Troops_at_Tilbury#Content_of_the_speech)? |
21:12.30 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
21:12.32 | DrodoEmpire | Exactly |
21:12.37 | DrodoEmpire | The top comments had *one* |
21:12.41 | Imperios | Not all of trhem but a few |
21:12.45 | Hachiman | I advocate to go to #sporewiki-offtopic if you're gonna argue |
21:12.49 | DrodoEmpire | *One* in the first top comment |
21:12.49 | Hachiman | Or take it to the PMs |
21:12.54 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah you're right |
21:12.56 | Imperios | no I'm okay already |
21:14.45 | Imperios | Sorry for my outburst, everyone |
21:14.52 | Imperios | Hope I didn't cause too much of a fuss |
21:15.20 | DrodoEmpire | No no, I should be sorry for getting so upset |
21:17.05 | Charles_Murray | The real reason Catherine de Medici is so weird is that she never ruled France |
21:17.07 | Charles_Murray | in her own name |
21:17.47 | Charles_Murray | France has never had Queen Regnants because the succession laws of the crown forbid women from inheriting. |
21:18.27 | Imperios | Well there is precedence of monarchs being represented through their advisors who ruled de facto |
21:18.29 | Charles_Murray | Even if you were to run out of male heirs |
21:18.31 | Imperios | We had Theodora |
21:18.36 | Imperios | And Bismarck |
21:18.44 | Imperios | Actually |
21:18.50 | Charles_Murray | Theodora makes no sense because she died before Justinian |
21:19.10 | Charles_Murray | Bismarck was Chancellor of Germany, so that makes perfect sense. |
21:19.29 | Imperios | Speaking of Civ, do you think buying 3 nuclear missiles and 5 atomic bombs for a direct attack on your enemy's capital was a good idea |
21:19.41 | Charles_Murray | Can they fire back? |
21:19.51 | Imperios | They did once |
21:19.59 | Charles_Murray | Then not really |
21:20.19 | Charles_Murray | There have been more spectacular rulers of France >.M |
21:20.23 | Charles_Murray | >.<* |
21:20.37 | Charles_Murray | And they relegated the French Empire to a culture role... again. |
21:21.00 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
21:21.51 | Technobliterator | I think they definitely wanted Catherine in to get more women rulers, but like |
21:21.54 | Imperios | Well, who else? |
21:21.57 | Technobliterator | why is it such a big deal to people |
21:22.03 | Technobliterator | Why is the game now suddenly ruined because of this |
21:22.04 | Imperios | Like maybe Germany |
21:22.07 | Imperios | Dichter and Denker and all that |
21:22.21 | Imperios | Ukraine might be a good contender but it's too small and irrelevant |
21:22.38 | Imperios | I mean what other civ in Europe could be "cultural"? |
21:22.42 | Technobliterator | If I could be outraged at was a video game's inclusion of a character that may not be 100% ideal |
21:22.48 | Technobliterator | I would lead a much better life than I do now |
21:23.28 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator : I'm not outraged, just a bit disappointed; Keep in mind, France is my favorite thing to play in 100% of the games I pick up |
21:23.29 | Wormy_away | French bonus - "Grand Tour" |
21:23.35 | Technobliterator | Not at you |
21:23.39 | Technobliterator | at the people Imp was talking about |
21:24.03 | Charles_Murray | And when France is underpowered, that's not very fun and a little insulting. |
21:24.24 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: I give to you *three nuclear missiles and five atomic bombs descending upon your capital* |
21:24.30 | Imperios | Catherine best |
21:24.33 | DrodoEmpire | Tech: There're better rulers to choose than an Italian who never directly ruled France though :p I'd be scratching my head if it were a man, too |
21:24.37 | Imperios | Haven't played her until a few day |
21:24.43 | DrodoEmpire | So would most people |
21:24.52 | Imperios | I did scratch my head but like this is not so much of a big deal to me |
21:24.57 | DrodoEmpire | Me neither |
21:24.59 | Technobliterator | Of course |
21:25.01 | Imperios | There were stranger rulers in Civ |
21:25.06 | Technobliterator | But is it worth the outrage? |
21:25.09 | Imperios | Like |
21:25.14 | Technobliterator | I don't mean disgruntlement |
21:25.15 | Imperios | Gandhi never even ruled France |
21:25.19 | Imperios | India even |
21:25.31 | Technobliterator | I mean the kind of outrage the gaming community comes out with nowadays |
21:25.34 | DrodoEmpire | Gandhi *is* Indian, though, at the very least |
21:25.38 | Imperios | I would like Ashoka or Nehru or Akbar but Gandhi is way too iconic |
21:25.44 | DrodoEmpire | But its strange yeah |
21:25.53 | Imperios | I'd love India to have Akbar |
21:25.56 | Imperios | With religious bonuses |
21:25.56 | DrodoEmpire | Same |
21:26.19 | Imperios | Nehru... what could he have? |
21:26.20 | Charles_Murray | It's likely nobody would recognize him, though; I agree nonetheless. |
21:26.52 | Charles_Murray | "Blundering idiot" - Diplomatic penalty with every civ he meets except the Chinese |
21:27.35 | Charles_Murray | "Declares war on Pakistan immediately upon discovering it" |
21:28.06 | Technobliterator | I am hyped for Civ VI |
21:28.16 | Charles_Murray | I was |
21:28.30 | Imperios | Didn't he do some good at unifying India though? |
21:28.33 | Imperios | blarsg |
21:28.35 | Wormy_away | I only like the trailers and cinematics |
21:28.36 | Imperios | As in, unifying India |
21:28.44 | Imperios | Wasn't he good at unifying india |
21:28.45 | DrodoEmpire | Eh |
21:28.48 | Imperios | That's what I wanted to say |
21:28.54 | Imperios | The princely states and all that |
21:29.09 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : Yus, yus, I kid |
21:29.10 | DrodoEmpire | He ruled the Mughal Empire, I believe, which was an Islamic empire ruling over a majority Hindu population :p |
21:29.27 | DrodoEmpire | But yes, he did rule a large chunk of it |
21:29.28 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : Nehru was great |
21:29.40 | Technobliterator | I am confused why they chose Teddy Roosevelt over, say, Lincoln, Washington or FDR |
21:29.53 | Charles_Murray | Teddy is pretty iconic too |
21:29.57 | The_Randomness | yeah |
21:29.58 | Charles_Murray | Here in the US |
21:29.58 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
21:29.58 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: I mean Nehru |
21:29.59 | Imperios | Not Akbar |
21:30.04 | DrodoEmpire | Oh |
21:30.06 | DrodoEmpire | Not sure |
21:30.11 | Technobliterator | But compared to those guys? |
21:30.16 | Charles_Murray | Yeah |
21:30.17 | Imperios | Akbar would be cool to have traits |
21:30.19 | Technobliterator | oh, huh |
21:30.24 | Imperios | related to religious tolerance |
21:30.25 | Technobliterator | I might need to do some more research |
21:30.29 | Imperios | Like +5 faith |
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21:30.31 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator : He's up there with those guys |
21:30.41 | Imperios | If you have two religions in the city |
21:30.49 | Technobliterator | I remain unfortunately ignorant on too much US history |
21:30.58 | Technobliterator | I only know those guys, the founding fathers, and everything after Reagan |
21:31.08 | Imperios | ^ same here |
21:31.14 | DrodoEmpire | Seems like Keem quit... Only to come back. Again. |
21:31.17 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
21:31.29 | The_Randomness | I'm off for now, bye guys |
21:31.31 | Imperios | AMERICAN HISTORY WON'T BE RELEVANT ONCE IT WILL BE REDUCED TO RADIOACTIVE ASH |
21:31.36 | Technobliterator | Pfff |
21:31.37 | Technobliterator | t |
21:31.37 | Imperios | IT IS EVEN |
21:31.49 | Charles_Murray | Teddy Roosevelt invented the modern presidency, laid the foundations for an activist American foreign policy, was himself a badass who just refused to due |
21:31.51 | Charles_Murray | die* |
21:32.03 | Technobliterator | I'm looking up stuff now |
21:32.23 | Xho | Are we on a politics chat here |
21:32.27 | Imperios | No |
21:32.28 | Imperios | Civ |
21:32.39 | Imperios | First leaders were announced |
21:32.43 | Xho | NUCLEAR GANDHI |
21:32.47 | Imperios | French leader is some obscure Italian woman |
21:32.54 | Imperios | Japan... some obscure person |
21:33.03 | Imperios | England Victoria |
21:33.06 | Imperios | America Teddy Roosevelt |
21:33.07 | Imperios | Etc |
21:33.08 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator : Someone tried to shoot him, his 100-page speech in his pocket caught the bullet, and he went on to give the speech from memory. |
21:33.29 | Imperios | I wonder who will lead Russia |
21:33.32 | Charles_Murray | Without ever breaking cadence |
21:33.36 | Imperios | Like Catherine is one of my favourite rulers |
21:33.39 | Charles_Murray | Yeltsin pls |
21:33.40 | Wormy_away | Didn't also get attacked by a bear or something? |
21:33.46 | Charles_Murray | Or Gorbachov |
21:33.54 | Charles_Murray | I would laugh so hard if it was Gorba |
21:33.54 | Imperios | But I want someone else |
21:34.19 | Charles_Murray | Of course you do |
21:34.20 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Gain victory points by *losing* cities and units |
21:34.22 | Charles_Murray | You're Russian |
21:34.24 | Charles_Murray | HAHAHA |
21:34.52 | Charles_Murray | I got an obscure Italian Queen whose major achievement was making sure France *didn't* fall apart |
21:35.05 | Charles_Murray | You should get Gorbachov |
21:35.12 | Imperios | lol hur |
21:35.14 | Imperios | I wonder if Korea will be in vanilla |
21:35.37 | Imperios | Seriously can't think of any real ruler other than Sejong though |
21:35.41 | Imperios | Like Empress Min though |
21:35.44 | Xho | inb4 Nicholas II |
21:35.50 | Xho | All units are armed with sticks |
21:35.51 | Imperios | Park Chung-hee is a bit too modern |
21:36.12 | Imperios | Xho: Better yet, Kolchak |
21:36.27 | Charles_Murray | Nicholas II would be so cruel |
21:36.35 | Xho | Just get a damn bear with a balalaika |
21:36.36 | Charles_Murray | Alexandre II or Alexandre I would be really cool |
21:36.39 | Xho | Nuclear Bear |
21:36.46 | Xho | Atomic Balalaika |
21:36.52 | Imperios | ^ Alexander II definitely |
21:36.55 | Imperios | Then again he failed |
21:36.57 | Imperios | So maybe not |
21:37.09 | Imperios | Also 19th century Russian rulers are generally very generic |
21:37.17 | Imperios | What about some ancient Russian rulers thouigh |
21:37.19 | Imperios | Rurik |
21:37.22 | Imperios | Vladimir |
21:37.25 | Imperios | Alexander Nevsky |
21:37.26 | Hachiman | Ivan |
21:37.26 | Xho | Civ VI England gets Nigel Farage, preferred ideology is 'Confusion' |
21:37.30 | Charles_Murray | I personally have a lot of respect for Alexandre I |
21:37.34 | Imperios | Hachiman: Which one |
21:37.36 | Charles_Murray | Xho : OLOL |
21:37.37 | Imperios | There are four |
21:37.40 | Hachiman | The Terrible |
21:37.48 | Imperios | Pretty good choice that |
21:37.55 | Charles_Murray | Terrible has become a stereotype |
21:38.12 | Charles_Murray | I think that might be why the Civ team is picking out unusual leaders |
21:38.25 | Imperios | His moniker isn't actually translated as "Terrible" |
21:38.32 | Charles_Murray | They're looking for leaders which aren't too stereotyped |
21:38.34 | Imperios | It is closer in meaning to "Terrifying" |
21:38.49 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: So important but not very popular |
21:38.57 | Imperios | Khruschev? |
21:38.58 | Hachiman | Needs Admiral Yi for Korea |
21:39.06 | Hachiman | Don't even care if he wasn't actually a leader |
21:39.06 | Imperios | He is already in the game |
21:39.09 | Xho | Meanwhile, Syria gets Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi #shotsfuckingfired |
21:39.11 | Imperios | As a Gereat Admiral |
21:39.14 | Hachiman | Ah |
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21:39.48 | Charles_Murray | Hey Tybusen |
21:39.55 | Tybusen | Hello |
21:39.59 | Imperios | Xho: Gets faith by destroying units |
21:40.17 | Xho | Imperios: Khrushchev -> Russia's Ability: Shoe Slamming |
21:40.21 | Imperios | MY |
21:40.22 | Imperios | VAM |
21:40.27 | Imperios | ÐЫ |
21:40.28 | Imperios | ÐÐÐ |
21:40.29 | Imperios | ÐÐÐÐÐÐÐ |
21:40.30 | Imperios | ÐУÐЬÐÐÐУ |
21:40.31 | Imperios | ÐÐТЬ |
21:40.38 | Charles_Murray | Xho : What did you do |
21:40.41 | Charles_Murray | You broke Imperios |
21:40.43 | Xho | imperios.exe has stopped working |
21:40.50 | Imperios | ÐЫ |
21:40.50 | Imperios | ÐÐС |
21:40.52 | Imperios | ÐÐÐ¥ÐÐ ÐÐÐÐ |
21:41.11 | Hachiman | cheeki breeki |
21:41.33 | Wormy_away | I'm scared |
21:42.09 | Charles_Murray | Lol |
21:42.11 | Imperios | Okay who else |
21:42.19 | Charles_Murray | Google translate thinks he's speaking Bulgarian, then Ukrainian |
21:42.26 | Xho | oh god don't start |
21:42.28 | Xho | pls no |
21:42.43 | Imperios | That should be the other way around |
21:42.48 | Charles_Murray | It was |
21:42.48 | Imperios | First Ukraine shall be one with Russia |
21:42.51 | Charles_Murray | Actually |
21:42.51 | Imperios | then Bulgaria |
21:43.03 | Hachiman | Xho: "Hey, have you been to the new OJ Simpson website? It's at slash-slash-backslash-escape." |
21:43.10 | Xho | Oh god |
21:43.33 | Xho | Which reminds me, when I was the Animals As Leaders gig last week, someone shouted "FREE OJ SIMPSON" at Tosin Abasi and he just froze in confusion |
21:43.37 | Imperios | As for other non-stereotyped Russian leaders |
21:43.46 | Hachiman | olol |
21:43.48 | Imperios | Ivan III is the one I can think about |
21:43.56 | Imperios | Alexander Nevsky but he wasn't even a real political ruler |
21:44.10 | Imperios | More like a military commander in service of a democratic republic |
21:44.23 | Imperios | Yes Russia actually had democratic republics |
21:44.25 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : I really want Lenin |
21:44.28 | Charles_Murray | But stereotype |
21:44.31 | Imperios | Russia was democratic at some point |
21:44.36 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: OHGOD YES |
21:44.39 | Hachiman | IF YOUR NAME ENDS WITH -IN TIME TO GET OUT |
21:44.39 | Imperios | Can't pronounce Rs |
21:44.46 | Imperios | Stands on top of an armoured car |
21:44.47 | Charles_Murray | Hachiman : ^^^^^ |
21:44.48 | Imperios | Shouts at everyone |
21:44.49 | Xho | England gets Henry VIII -> "Polygamy: Loses culture with population growth" |
21:45.05 | Xho | Actually that should just be England in general |
21:45.11 | Imperios | Tiny island |
21:45.14 | Imperios | tiny gene pool |
21:45.44 | Wormy_away | we use sheep genes to bolster it now and then. |
21:45.51 | Xho | "bolster" |
21:46.07 | Xho | In the case of Nigel Farage we also use frog genes |
21:46.15 | Imperios | Do not forget pigs |
21:46.18 | Xho | Ah yes |
21:46.19 | Technobliterator | ugh yeah |
21:46.31 | Wormy_away | the suction of a pig is too strong |
21:46.32 | Technobliterator | so many fucking UKIP memes everywhere |
21:46.33 | Technobliterator | I do not miss those |
21:46.54 | Imperios | Okay so either Alexander I, Alexander II, Ivan III, Rurik, or Princess Olga |
21:47.04 | Imperios | Princess Olga was actually kind of badass |
21:47.27 | Hachiman | HOW ABOUT |
21:47.29 | Hachiman | PUTIN |
21:47.43 | Hachiman | AKA THE IMMORTAL GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND |
21:48.10 | Imperios | She instituted the first organised taxation system of Russia; early during her rule a Russian tribe that killed her husband refused to pay taxes |
21:48.51 | Tybusen | What are we discussing |
21:48.54 | Imperios | She sent birds with flaming sulfur attracted to their legs at their town and burnt it down |
21:48.58 | Imperios | Civ VI |
21:49.05 | Tybusen | Ah makes sense |
21:49.21 | Tybusen | Catherine de Medici just got revealed as the French leader |
21:49.55 | Imperios | She also sent off rebel ambasadors to a hot tub and then set in onfire |
21:51.21 | Imperios | What about Vladimir Red Sun? |
21:51.43 | Imperios | The Christianiser of Rusia |
21:56.56 | Wormy_away | Hachiman: A newly discovered siphonophore http://imgur.com/gallery/YOXGb |
21:57.45 | Hachiman | What the fuck is that |
21:58.55 | Wormy_away | here's another one that looks truly eldritch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT1TSbarW1U |
21:59.36 | Wormy_away | They are those colonial organisms, I think in the same class as other hydrozoans |
22:00.00 | Hachiman | Ah those |
22:00.21 | Hachiman | 'Creatures' made up of individual colonies of creatures which all interact with each other |
22:00.32 | DrodoEmpire | "Sketch of Alpine chasseurs charging German lines on skis" http://www.firstworldwar.com/photos/graphics/nw_german_chasseurs_01.jpg |
22:00.36 | Wormy_away | indeed |
22:01.05 | Hachiman | That would be a fairly interesting premise for a Sporewiki species actually |
22:01.20 | Hachiman | If we do not already have races like that |
22:01.30 | Wormy_away | Isn't it the hydrozoans that are effectively immortal by reverting back to a polyp stage? |
22:01.41 | Hachiman | Lemme check |
22:02.09 | Hachiman | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_(genus)) These |
22:02.26 | Hachiman | A very distinct class of hydrazoa |
22:02.40 | Wormy_away | They definately would be interesting organisms, they would have wildly different psychology and perception of the world I'd expect |
22:03.36 | Hachiman | I just wonder if such creatures could be adapted for terrestrial life rather than aquatic however |
22:03.58 | Hachiman | Since it would be difficult to establish a spacefaring civilisation - or much civilisation at all - from underwater |
22:05.22 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#.E2.80.A2_LIVE:_Commonwealth_Civil_War_.28link.29 Well I had to make a comment |
22:05.35 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah anything resembling what we think of as civilization would be difficult to do underwater |
22:05.48 | DrodoEmpire | Agriculture might not be difficult, depending on the sorta life there is |
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22:05.53 | DrodoEmpire | But what about metalworking? |
22:05.56 | DrodoEmpire | Hi there! |
22:06.03 | Hachiman | Metalworking requires fire |
22:06.17 | Hachiman | And fire does not exactly happen underwater |
22:06.17 | DrodoEmpire | Or at least great heat |
22:06.21 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah exact;y |
22:06.23 | DrodoEmpire | *ly |
22:06.33 | Hachiman | Great heat underwater is possible, but not entirely consistent |
22:06.33 | Wormy_away | There are some concievable ways metalworking could be done http://www.xenology.info/Xeno/20.3.2.htm |
22:06.35 | DrodoEmpire | So that's one huge step in civilization gone |
22:06.51 | Hachiman | Underwater volcanoes for example, although they are essentially finite resources |
22:06.52 | DrodoEmpire | But stone-age or near stone-age civilizations *have* existed, to be fair |
22:07.14 | DrodoEmpire | The mesoamericans had only limited access to bronze/copper and used precious metals |
22:07.24 | Wormy_away | "How about physical resources? Clays and mud are available for ceramics and pottery, sand for glass, and there is a tremendous variety of organic materials available for chemical industry -- dyes, acids, drugs, etc. Stone masonry is quite possible, since concrete can be mixed that can set underwater. Nodules littering the continental shelves and ocean floors could be harvested for their nickel, cobalt and manganese. Fantastic |
22:07.24 | DrodoEmpire | But most tools were wood and stone |
22:07.37 | Wormy_away | <PROTECTED> |
22:07.37 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
22:08.40 | Wormy_away | "Where do we get the energy to work all these resources? Aquatic ETs may discover superheated underwater volcanoes -- these exist in great numbers on Earthâs ocean floors and should be even more numerous on larger, more massive pelagic worlds. Submarine oil deposits may be found in sedimentary strata. Natural gas and other combustible vapors upwelling from the planetary interior could be trapped in special containers and bur |
22:09.13 | Wormy_away | Lacking combustion, bubblewheels could be erected over regions of submarine helium gas effluence and the rotary power used to turn mechanical flywheels." |
22:09.22 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right |
22:09.36 | Wormy_away | It all sounds like a long shot, but then so was our advancement |
22:09.36 | DrodoEmpire | So yeah, maybe more difficult, or perhaps just challenging in a different way |
22:09.48 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah that's the big thing with us too |
22:10.10 | DrodoEmpire | It takes a *bright* person to come up with a bow and arrow if you have no idea what a bow and arrow are |
22:10.24 | DrodoEmpire | Its not exactly an obvious thing, when you think about it |
22:10.35 | Wormy_away | And even then, if such knowledge isn't past to many people, it will die with you |
22:10.39 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
22:10.41 | Wormy_away | *passed |
22:10.55 | DrodoEmpire | Writing is another thing that doesn't seem all that obvious, though, maybe a *bit* moreso |
22:11.08 | DrodoEmpire | Writing, at least, doesn't require a basic grasp of physics. :p |
22:12.18 | Hachiman | Writing *about* physics does however |
22:12.31 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
22:12.34 | Wormy_away | Hm, about physics, I wonder if aquatic ET's would have a more fluid mechanical intuition imparted from their perception of the environment |
22:12.42 | DrodoEmpire | Quite possibly |
22:12.46 | Hachiman | A what now |
22:13.15 | Wormy_away | Well we grasped rigid body physics before fluid mechanics |
22:13.18 | DrodoEmpire | (Actually on writing- the first writing was pretty boring, and wasn't a full writing system at all- more of a code) |
22:13.22 | Wormy_away | That role might be reversed in water |
22:13.49 | DrodoEmpire | (It didn't represent the whole language and was more or less just records on tax, harvests, and the occasional, very basic contract) |
22:14.23 | DrodoEmpire | (Got better soon though- now you had full range of language, so you could read marginally more *exciting* tax and harvest records! :D) |
22:14.43 | Hachiman | Fuck the guy who invented the word "moist" |
22:14.59 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
22:15.10 | Wormy_away | But do aquatic species feel wet like we do? |
22:15.43 | Hachiman | They can probably feel dry |
22:16.29 | DrodoEmpire | I imagine dryness'd be very unnatural or even painful for them |
22:16.35 | DrodoEmpire | But I dunno |
22:17.20 | Wormy_away | Quite possibly species that live in tidal areas would need a sense of when they are getting too dry |
22:17.21 | DrodoEmpire | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaint_tablet_to_Ea-nasir - Some of these early writings come up though, and they're quite amusing |
22:18.12 | Wormy_away | ancient squabbles |
22:18.22 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
22:18.27 | DrodoEmpire | Its extremely humanising |
22:18.38 | Hachiman | Fucking kek |
22:19.03 | DrodoEmpire | Puts a face and a sense of relatability to these distant periods- even if it is Ea nasir fucking over our boy Nanni here |
22:21.36 | Wormy_away | Hachi: These colonial creatures, what if the individual creatures were sentient? I think that route could lead to more interesting psychology. A whole colonial organism being sentient by simply resolve itself the way human cells are differentiated but function together |
22:22.35 | Hachiman | inb4 these colonial creatures have regular arguments within themselves |
22:22.49 | Wormy_away | They'd need to be highly dependent on another in order to build useful biological structures and skeletal houses out of their fallen bretheren |
22:23.34 | Hachiman | I can imagine that such creatures would be horrified by the existence of aliens that do not live in such a manner |
22:24.04 | Wormy_away | Perhaps existential loneliness |
22:24.39 | Hachiman | That aliens such as humans live cold, isolated existences |
22:24.46 | Hachiman | Yeah |
22:27.49 | Hachiman | They sound difficult to understand and write about though so I dunno if I'll pursue that |
22:28.49 | *** join/#sporewiki Monet (~Monet47@82-132-230-10.dab.02.net) |
22:28.53 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
22:28.56 | Monet | Hello |
22:29.02 | Hachiman | Hi |
22:29.11 | Wormy_away | Yeah, I went through a phase of doing that, but its pretty isolated fiction and can't really worek with the rest of the fic universe. |
22:30.04 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#.E2.80.A2_LIVE:_Commonwealth_Civil_War_.28link.29 Posting this again, someone gimme a comment that isn't from Zilla's character that does not fit into this situation |
22:30.30 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
22:30.33 | Monet | I can soon |
22:31.06 | Hachiman | Wow Kicath are kind of assholes hur |
22:31.16 | Hachiman | Also I don't use the UDB so |
22:31.20 | Hachiman | I would if I could |
22:32.31 | Monet | You can |
22:32.56 | Hachiman | More accurately; I would if I actually used the UDB hur |
22:34.59 | Monet | How come you don't? |
22:35.13 | Hachiman | It's embarrassing to admit but |
22:35.22 | Hachiman | I never learned to use the whole template thing |
22:36.10 | Tybusen | It's fairly simple to use, I could walk you through it if you want |
22:36.28 | Monet | That's what a community's for :) |
22:37.11 | Wormy_away | Xho: Replied |
22:37.24 | Hachiman | Not right now, but thanks for the offer; I got stuff in mind to do before I start using the UDB |
22:37.33 | Wormy_away | The DCP act on super atheist when the Xhodocto turn up |
22:38.07 | Hachiman | Oh wait it's Dominion |
22:38.16 | Hachiman | Sorry Xho I thought it was Kicath for some reason |
22:38.26 | Xho | Still would've made sense |
22:38.37 | Xho | The Kicath would have put it more bluntly |
22:40.58 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_away: "You don't exist because reasons >:D" |
22:41.36 | Xho | Xhodocto - nah *zap* |
22:41.43 | DrodoEmpire | "Checkmate, Xhodoc-tard :'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''')" |
22:41.46 | Wormy_away | The DCP don't deny they exist, having fought demons directly, but refuse to believe they are undfeatable or supernaturally omnipotent / unknowable |
22:41.56 | DrodoEmpire | (yes that was satire pls dont think im that dumb pls) |
22:43.10 | Wormy_away | Having felled demons through technological means, the DCP think its right. |
22:44.59 | Wormy_away | some creepy pastas http://imgur.com/gallery/MSxuJ |
22:47.01 | Hachiman | It's on the internet so these must be true |
22:47.30 | Imperios | Wormy_away: If something supernatural exists, blast it to pieces |
22:47.35 | Imperios | There the universe makes sense again |
22:47.42 | Hachiman | The DOOM way of doing things |
22:48.36 | Wormy_away | lol |
22:50.31 | Hachiman | You know, it's a strange thought realising that most alien civilisations probably haven't had a situation similar to the mass extinction of the dinosaurs |
22:50.46 | Hachiman | Or some maybe haven't even had their own mass extinction events |
22:51.38 | DrodoEmpire | Seeing the frequency of mass-extinction events in our Earth's history, I dunno, they probably have had a few |
22:51.59 | DrodoEmpire | I think its statistically unlikely that they wouldn't have a meteor strike, or a major climatic change |
22:52.30 | DrodoEmpire | (Or even a minor climatic change sometime directly in that civilization's history, such as a 'little ice age' of the 1600s) |
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22:53.39 | Hachiman | Most habitable planets probably have not been struck by the aftermath of a fucking gamma ray burst however |
22:53.43 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
22:53.48 | DrodoEmpire | Of course |
22:54.16 | Hachiman | I feel that Earth is just statistically *extremely* unlucky |
22:54.35 | DrodoEmpire | But I mean, don't discount the very real possibility of climatic change, which can either result in mass extinction (big ice ages) or at the very least *huge* upheaval among sentient societies (little ice age) |
22:54.41 | Hachiman | True |
22:55.09 | Primisback | Do planets being hit by the shockwave of a supernova usually recover much in 2 million years? |
22:55.21 | Wormy_away | Generally, the evolution of newer niches by different taxonomic genera have been caused by ass extinctions and environmental changes. |
22:55.29 | Wormy_away | >ass extinction |
22:55.33 | Primisback | OMFG |
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22:55.35 | Hachiman | Holy shit |
22:55.36 | DrodoEmpire | What do you mean "recover"? |
22:55.38 | Primisback | that is going in my quotes |
22:55.50 | Hachiman | Wormy_away: ur mom is an ass extinction |
22:55.59 | Primisback | having most biodiversity recover |
22:56.07 | Primisback | i.e. reappear |
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22:56.11 | DrodoEmpire | Dunno |
22:56.16 | DrodoEmpire | Not my area of expertise |
22:57.03 | DrodoEmpire | But I can safely say that, assuming the world isn't totally obliterated by the blast, no civilization could survive a supernova event :p |
22:57.26 | Wormy_away | Depends on the distance of the supernova, within a system (as I presume shockwave) the planet's surface will become molten and atmosphere would be blown away at the very least |
22:57.47 | Hachiman | I mean, most life on Earth was terminated after a gamma ray burst struck it and stripped away most of the atmosphere |
22:58.00 | Primisback | Thinking more ~10 ly |
22:58.26 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
22:58.32 | Hachiman | A gamma ray burst that was *very* distant when it went off |
22:58.42 | Hachiman | And it was by sheer misfortune that it struck Earth |
22:58.58 | DrodoEmpire | Civilizations, as it turns out, don't take the thought of a shifting climate well :p |
22:59.05 | Primisback | Hmm |
22:59.14 | Primisback | I'll leave Eden a bit underdiverse |
22:59.15 | Wormy_away | Hm, I think that would probably kill all surface life at that distance (possibly not endolithic life in rocks) |
22:59.24 | Primisback | Idk |
22:59.35 | DrodoEmpire | In fact, they contribute to collapsing dynasties and sparking civil wars and runaway religious conflict |
22:59.35 | Wormy_away | So maybe another 2 to 3 billion years again to evolve complex life |
22:59.41 | Primisback | whoa |
22:59.44 | Primisback | oopsies |
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23:00.00 | Primisback | anen'll be the newbie for the jaelin sector :P |
23:00.05 | Monet2 | 10ly sounds too close for optimism Imo |
23:00.14 | Primisback | hm... 13k au? |
23:00.30 | Primisback | What would be the effects at 13,000 AU? the closest star to the remnant? |
23:00.48 | Wormy_away | Complex mult-cellular organisms took about 3 billion years after an extreme set of circumstances on Earth to evolve |
23:00.50 | Primisback | or .2 ly |
23:01.31 | Monet2 | Anything in-system will likely remain dead |
23:01.41 | Primisback | ok |
23:02.11 | Wormy_away | Not even rock dwelling bacteria would survive, as the surface rock would become molten |
23:02.37 | Primisback | so it's like being shot at pointblank range: superaccurate and deadly |
23:03.21 | Monet2 | It's like lying on top of a primed grenade |
23:03.29 | DrodoEmpire | Well, guaranteed hit anyway |
23:03.43 | Primisback | i'd compare the primed grenade to the original system |
23:03.44 | Primisback | and the only survivor of the supernova (in the original system)? a brown dwarf |
23:03.46 | Wormy_away | Indeed. And once I looked up if supernovae could actually destroy planets. The views of astrophysicists are mixed, but one paper predicts a supernova could boil away a planet in 2-3 days at about the distance of Earth |
23:04.04 | DrodoEmpire | Its not like a speeding bullet gets any *less* deadly within its effective range <.< |
23:04.17 | Primisback | and it's a small rocky planet, ~earth mass now |
23:04.23 | Primisback | and cold af |
23:04.52 | Wormy_away | Not to mention there's be enough neutronos to kill everything even if the distance between the planet and the star was shielded completely by lead |
23:05.05 | Wormy_away | *neutrinos |
23:05.31 | Wormy_away | Considering how weakly they interact with other particles, that gives you an idea |
23:05.31 | Primisback | it was ~80 jupiter masses, and it BARELY survived |
23:06.07 | Primisback | that's 80 jupiter masses of ionized gas splattered over several lightyears, from a single tiny rocky planet |
23:06.17 | Primisback | rip its moons |
23:06.58 | Wormy_away | A brown dwarf would have a considerable amount of its mass blown away into space, I imagine |
23:07.10 | Primisback | yeah |
23:07.34 | Primisback | and maybe a super-small red dwarf would be robbed of its material, effectively having its limbs cut off |
23:07.41 | Monet2 | A brown dwarf is also far too small to go supernova |
23:08.21 | Primisback | ik |
23:08.32 | Primisback | i was thinking "massive star and brown dwarf binary" |
23:08.57 | Wormy_away | Yeah think of these planets as being boiled away like melting ice cream in front of hair dryer, rather than exploding |
23:09.43 | Primisback | k |
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23:10.22 | Primisback | (D:)====----------- |
23:10.27 | Primisback | :P |
23:11.46 | Primisback | so |
23:12.05 | Primisback | would a ~20 jupiter mass BD get vaporized? |
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23:18.41 | Primisback | ~revive chat |
23:18.41 | infobot | ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive chat |
23:20.08 | Monet | Vapourised might be an inaccurate term, as stars are a plasma. But blown away? I think so. |
23:21.32 | Primisback | so 20 Mj would be blown away? |
23:22.34 | Monet | Like a dandelion meeting a hairdryer. |
23:23.36 | Primisback | ok |
23:23.39 | Primisback | 80? |
23:23.45 | Primisback | high end brown dwarf? |
23:27.15 | Monet | I'm not sure how a ball of ionised gas so close to the explosion could survive. |
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23:28.11 | Monet | The sun, although massive, is about 1/4 the density. |
23:29.08 | Wormy_ | I don't know what the lower limit on mass is, so it could exclude brown dwarfs, but considering we've found binary stars involving main sequence + a neutron star, I think higher mass stars would survive |
23:30.30 | Primisback | kk |
23:30.42 | Wormy_ | of course the peak of the supernova's brightness is on the order of days and weeks, so it may not be enough to completely blow away brown dwarfs |
23:32.09 | Primisback | k |
23:36.27 | Primisback | gtg |
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23:58.33 | Wormy_ | bye |