00:05.48 | Technobliterator | wow, I cannot be bothered to update the rest of these |
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00:06.08 | Technobliterator | I might just never update the |
00:06.09 | Technobliterator | m |
00:06.14 | StomajawEmpire | hello! |
00:06.32 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
00:06.38 | DrodoEmpire | And ah. :L |
00:07.39 | StomajawEmpire | well im slowly updating my wiki. |
00:08.06 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
00:08.27 | StomajawEmpire | we can plan the collab now, since i aint busy |
00:09.38 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
00:09.42 | DrodoEmpire | Eh, maaybe |
00:09.45 | DrodoEmpire | One minute |
00:18.28 | DrodoEmpire | http://i.imgur.com/0n91DcL.gifv - This was a pretty brilliant play CS:GO wise |
00:19.18 | The_Randomness | loool |
00:19.59 | Wormy_ | I'm feeling badarse in FO4 tonight |
00:20.23 | Wormy_ | Killed a Supermutant and it died standing, used it as a body shield while sniping out more |
00:20.25 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
00:20.28 | DrodoEmpire | olol |
00:21.00 | Wormy_ | I then raided a build with tall stairscases and took out radiders from the knee |
00:21.04 | Wormy_ | building |
00:21.10 | DrodoEmpire | Nice |
00:21.24 | DrodoEmpire | I'm getting pretty good with snipers in CS:GO myself |
00:21.59 | DrodoEmpire | Though I have terrible luck when I'm using the AWP, by far the most powerful sniper in the game- I always seem to get shot before I get to use it. >.< |
00:27.03 | Wormy_ | I get problems like that |
00:28.13 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
00:29.26 | DrodoEmpire | Actually on that CS:GO gif- I know one good action of deception to use is to, when an enemy flashbang flies in to the room you're in is to turn away (which is normal to reduce the effect of the flash), but wildly fire a burst anyway |
00:30.02 | DrodoEmpire | This'll make the enemy think you're flashed (spraying is a bad habit of new players when they're flashed) and they're run in, not expecting you to be ready for them |
00:30.09 | DrodoEmpire | *they'll |
00:30.46 | DrodoEmpire | It'll be an easy fight at that point :p |
00:31.46 | Technobliterator | lol |
00:31.49 | Technobliterator | I managed somehow |
00:31.59 | Technobliterator | I will never need to touch those...really bad pages again |
00:32.07 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
00:32.44 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah you went on a *spree* |
00:32.46 | DrodoEmpire | Good work |
00:33.48 | Technobliterator | \o/ |
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00:43.18 | NeonPanda | hi all |
00:43.27 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
00:43.28 | Quark8 | Hello. |
00:43.54 | The_Randomness | Hey |
01:16.45 | Quark8 | tets |
01:16.49 | Quark8 | *tets |
01:16.53 | Quark8 | *test |
01:16.57 | DrodoEmpire | There you go |
01:31.10 | Wormy_ | goodnight |
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02:06.31 | Quark8 | Hello Charles. |
02:08.44 | Charles_Murray | Hey |
02:12.29 | Quark8 | What voting system is used in French elections? |
02:42.38 | Charles_Murray | Quark8 |
02:42.42 | Charles_Murray | Sorry I missed this |
02:42.46 | Charles_Murray | Which France? |
02:46.14 | Quark8 | The Third French Empire. |
02:47.05 | Charles_Murray | Quark8 : Depends on the election, the member state, and the office; typically it's one person, one vote, and alternate voting |
02:47.20 | Quark8 | I see. Thanks for the answer. |
02:47.30 | Charles_Murray | Np at all |
03:09.58 | Quark8 | Night. |
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06:18.18 | DrodoEmpire | Oh, hi |
06:22.12 | Yuggy04 | Hi! |
06:38.51 | DrodoEmpire | Long time no see |
06:44.37 | DrodoEmpire | http://i.imgur.com/MCb3C2j.png ohgod |
06:48.00 | Yuggy04 | I don't play Pokemon Go tho |
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06:48.43 | DrodoEmpire | Me neither, its just so goddamn funny >.< |
06:48.49 | DrodoEmpire | Potentially harmful for the naive |
06:48.51 | DrodoEmpire | But funny |
06:49.03 | Yuggy04 | I guess |
06:51.46 | DrodoEmpire | http://imgur.com/gallery/Pgt90qD |
06:51.58 | DrodoEmpire | "My experience in college was more like the crawling to the Lamborghini scene." My sides |
06:53.11 | Yuggy04 | My browser on me kindle decided to keel over dead, and I had to find a way to fix it. I fixed it, but do not have the Titanpad link anymore, if we're still doing that. |
06:53.22 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I think we should still |
06:53.27 | DrodoEmpire | I have it |
06:54.19 | Yuggy04 | Nice. I checked the imgur and found it to be amusing. Could I get the link in a pm, please? |
06:54.53 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
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11:48.39 | Monet | hi |
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12:15.43 | Wormy_ | Liquid you turned bright green. |
12:16.57 | Monet | Hello |
12:21.29 | Wormy__ | hi |
12:21.48 | Wormy__ | Watching a webinar introducing me to the Univerrsity of Nottingham |
12:22.52 | Wormy__ | My campus http://www.nottinghamconferences.co.uk/images/virtual-tours/jubilee-campus-virtual-tour.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-n_vN61diK2o/UgzCrqYJA3I/AAAAAAAAHtk/E2vI7aAmiHs/s1600/DSC_0002+(2).JPG http://www.e-architect.co.uk/images/jpgs/england/university_nottingham_jubilee_extension_cabe110609_1.jpg |
12:22.59 | Liquid_Ink_ | Bright green? |
12:23.13 | Wormy__ | Your nickname |
12:23.22 | Wormy_ | Usually pink |
12:23.29 | Liquid_Ink_ | Oh |
12:23.41 | Wormy__ | What the hell why am I in two windows |
12:23.43 | Liquid_Ink | I ate a snickers. |
12:50.39 | Monet | Wormy_: http://www.pcgamer.com/company-claims-no-mans-sky-uses-its-patented-equation-without-permission/ |
12:54.01 | Wormy__ | How the hell would Genicap know precisely that the devs used that formula? They haven't released its workings I presume |
12:55.45 | Wormy__ | Actually I read somewhere the equation was developed by some mathemartician decades ago |
12:56.20 | Wormy__ | I'm not sure if anyone has the right to "own" a mathematical equation |
12:56.30 | Monet | It's not owning the equation that's the issue. |
12:56.34 | Monet | Its the application. |
12:56.35 | Wormy__ | Programming code, that's different |
12:57.11 | Wormy__ | Thats silly though, the applications are completely different. Lots of applications use the same mathematics and even data structures |
12:59.02 | Wormy__ | Ah, I see. Maybe the patent is the right to use it |
13:02.07 | Monet | This is where law gets tricky |
13:02.54 | Monet | In the States there was an appeals court held in 1998 that allowed for the patenting of mathematical fomulae |
13:04.11 | Monet | Although I don't know if that's the case in Europe - where Genigap and Hello Games are based. |
13:05.01 | Monet | But yes, http://www.quizlaw.com/patents/can_i_patent_a_mathematical_fo.php the applications of a fomula can be patent-protected. |
13:05.26 | Monet | "you could obtain a patent on a computer program that implements a mathematical formula, and protect your application of that formula." |
13:07.25 | Wormy__ | The wording of it suggests "and protect *your application* of that formula.", does that mean protecting against any application or just protecting your application of it? |
13:08.25 | Monet | I'm going to say any application that matches the applications mentioned in the patent. |
13:09.53 | Wormy__ | Here's the patent https://www.google.co.uk/patents/EP1177529B1?cl=en&dq=superformula&hl=en&sa=X&sqi=2&pjf=1&ved=0ahUKEwifkM2t0ITOAhXsIcAKHRU4AvcQ6AEIHDAA |
13:10.25 | Monet | The main reason for the "copyright violation of Sky" issue is more of a social thing; Its legal team were unsure if the use was copyright infringement. And went for the 'better safe than sorry' angle of pushing the lawsuit. |
13:11.04 | Monet | It made Sky look insane, but it also showed Sky would not tolerate attempts at breaching copyright. |
13:11.40 | Wormy__ | By claiming for uses in CAD and computer graphics the patent pretty much covers everything |
13:14.19 | Monet | Quite often in business, the most effective way to protect your branding or identity is to throw a lawsuit at anything that even vaguely looks like it could be stealing from you. |
13:16.26 | Monet | Games Workshop, for instance, will (among other things) drop the hammer on anything called a space marine http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21380003 |
13:18.57 | Wormy__ | Actually I'll side with Genicap. If this delays the release of NMS that's Hello Games' fault |
13:21.43 | Monet | By the sounds of it, all Genigap wants is a recognition for use of its equation and a share of the income. |
13:22.55 | Wormy__ | They should get all the credit for the formula and a share of the income |
13:24.18 | Monet | Seems fair. Might add a little to NMS' sale price or it might not. |
13:24.33 | Wormy__ | probably won't dent it much |
13:29.15 | Monet | Probably not, it's not like it's a new algorithm designed during game development. |
13:34.35 | Monet | Looking up on Mankind Divided stuff. I get some people are worried that the endings of Human Revolution won't be respected buuut I like the direction. |
13:35.49 | Monet | As regardless of the ending decision, millions of augmented people *did* go on a mass homicidal rampage. |
13:37.53 | Monet | So the setup for Mankind Divided is certainly justified. |
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13:46.55 | Groxkiller98 | Heya. |
13:47.05 | Monet | hello |
13:48.20 | Groxkiller98 | I'm trying to learn rigging. |
13:48.52 | Wormy_ | Ah, I remember learning that |
13:49.04 | Groxkiller98 | I figured out how to make the rig in Blender. But not how to attach it to the model... >_> |
13:49.11 | Wormy__ | Not something I normally do in my work though |
13:49.24 | Wormy__ | Don't know Blender very well |
13:49.37 | Groxkiller98 | I'm going to try in Maya now. |
13:49.47 | Groxkiller98 | I have more experience with Maya anyway. |
13:50.46 | Groxkiller98 | Though with a different version. >_> |
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13:53.24 | Monet | Hello |
13:54.13 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
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14:35.56 | Wormy_ | Think I just saw the Tour de France devil, but it could have been a pretender https://twitter.com/parodidisenft |
14:38.34 | Wormy__ | he was in it yesterday https://www.theguardian.com/sport/gallery/2016/jul/19/tour-de-france-2016-stages-10-to-16-in-pictures#img-25 |
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14:54.49 | Treebeard | Hello |
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14:56.07 | Jepardi | Hi |
14:57.12 | Treebeard | Hello |
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15:10.55 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
15:17.55 | DrodoEmpire | http://i.imgur.com/QYwKAxj.jpg |
15:20.56 | Monet | Hello |
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16:27.41 | Quark8 | Hello. |
16:32.18 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
16:35.51 | Wormy__ | the last rider of a stage in le Tour has to carry a lantern http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7625/902/1600/jimmy%20casper.jpg |
16:37.58 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
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16:59.05 | Wormy__ | I swear the AI for Super Mutants was written to be dumb in FO4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT2_ZjR0E5g |
17:02.43 | Monet | Nah its just Bethesda. |
17:05.18 | Wormy__ | The AI for some combatants seem to be smarter, especially the Triggermen |
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17:34.19 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
17:34.45 | Monet | hello |
17:48.43 | Wormy__ | Monet: Best award ever https://twitter.com/RadioTimes/status/756156934038753281 |
17:49.48 | Monet | How has he gone so long before getting one? |
17:54.29 | Wormy_ | such a travesty |
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18:02.23 | ZF101 | Bye bye all |
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18:14.28 | Quark8 | Hello. |
18:15.27 | StomajawEmpire | hello |
18:16.00 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
18:16.39 | StomajawEmpire | hi |
18:47.23 | DrodoEmpire | test |
19:12.09 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
19:16.05 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
19:17.39 | Monet | Basically for all their power, Imperial law prohibits the use of using private armies against a rival grand house. |
19:18.01 | DrodoEmpire | Okay |
19:19.06 | Monet | Actually I forgot |
19:19.42 | Monet | House Wars - when political tensions get so bad the nobility flat-out ignores these laws. |
19:20.26 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right |
19:26.23 | Monet | So I guess I answered my own question |
19:27.10 | Monet | Though the role of the Praetor's council will probably change form being the executive branch of the senate, to being a forum that attempts to mitigate the bloodshed and rivalry. |
19:27.58 | Monet | Somewhere the Imperium's most powerful (and thus most dangerous) can settle their grievances without burning a planet or five. |
19:29.09 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm, okay |
19:36.11 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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20:03.35 | Monet | Evening |
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20:07.01 | Quark8 | Hello. |
20:08.25 | Xho | Hi |
20:08.25 | Xho | Man this IRC is dead nowadays |
20:10.09 | DrodoEmpire | Meh, maybe a little |
20:10.22 | DrodoEmpire | Still a lot of people on, not much to discuss I guess |
20:10.43 | DrodoEmpire | I'm waiting for Tech to be properly on, assuming she isn't already |
20:11.22 | Monet | She's not. |
20:11.41 | DrodoEmpire | Right right |
20:11.45 | Xho | Oluap and Hachi don't come on here anymore |
20:13.48 | Xho | The fact that no one is concerned as to why is a problem in itself |
20:14.55 | DrodoEmpire | I sorta noticed recently |
20:14.55 | DrodoEmpire | And the fact that Oluap doesn't come on was brought up earlier |
20:15.10 | DrodoEmpire | I can't say why they aren't, personally- though I wouldn't mind an answer |
20:15.50 | Xho | Well Oluap, Hachi and I think Cyrannian as well are growing bored of the constant conversations about politics on the wiki and the IRC |
20:16.04 | Xho | To them it's going further and further off the SporeWiki element |
20:16.25 | Xho | That first sentence was terribly worded |
20:16.51 | DrodoEmpire | RL politics? |
20:16.53 | Monet | Cyrannian also decided to no longer come here. |
20:17.00 | Xho | Both |
20:17.09 | Xho | The wiki political theme is driving users off the IRC |
20:17.12 | DrodoEmpire | I can agree to RL political discussions |
20:17.34 | DrodoEmpire | Riight... |
20:17.36 | Xho | I can't say I care for it much either as I haven't seen SporeWiki discussion for months |
20:18.08 | Quark8 | I don't even remember the last SporeWiki discussion that was on the IRC. |
20:18.11 | DrodoEmpire | Well I wish I had a quick remedy for them >.< I mean, personally I've been *trying* to do more adventure style stories for years but they always seem to bottom out. |
20:18.13 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
20:18.37 | DrodoEmpire | So I mean I think for things to change we can't have people running away- we need to bring a renewed interest |
20:19.03 | DrodoEmpire | For example I want to start a more adventure-style thing with Tech |
20:20.36 | DrodoEmpire | We should generally encourage balance, and we had a good thing going for a little while |
20:20.37 | DrodoEmpire | Does this make some sense? |
20:20.51 | Xho | I suppose |
20:21.18 | Xho | All these conversations and themes with politics has kind of sectioned off users from the wiki as it's now the dominant theme |
20:22.29 | DrodoEmpire | I don't have a direct line to Hachi or Oluap, so if you want to relay this to them go ahead |
20:22.29 | Xho | That's how they feel anyway |
20:22.29 | DrodoEmpire | Right. I can get that that it isn't their favourite thing in the world, and that's fine |
20:22.29 | Xho | Because they're not into the whole politics theme on the wiki currently they're being ignored and they're no longer viewing themselves as usefl |
20:22.29 | Xho | useful* |
20:22.29 | Xho | I think Cyrannian's like that as well |
20:22.31 | DrodoEmpire | But the solution isn't to give up, its to encourage *their* style of writing- I think more people are interested in that (me included) than they think |
20:22.45 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
20:23.47 | Xho | Hm I dunno then |
20:23.47 | DrodoEmpire | Not necessarily to *compete* with the other writing style or whatever but to just put it out there and keep trying |
20:23.48 | DrodoEmpire | Some people'll be very staunchly in one camp or the other and that's fine too |
20:25.13 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway its not a problem with a precise and easy solution other than "keep at it and be inclusive" |
20:25.13 | DrodoEmpire | Encourage new or different users to join fictions, sorta like how you opened up Voidwalker Xho |
20:25.19 | Xho | Well that's pretty slow all things considered |
20:25.40 | Charles_Bot | Xho : Yeah, best thing would be for them to jump back into it. They'll probably find that their stories might draw a lot of interest. One of the reasons politics appears like the dominant theme is that non-politics users are less active |
20:26.28 | DrodoEmpire | Xho: Maybe so, but its also big |
20:26.29 | Monet | Politics may have gained popularity because after the Xhodocto and the Corruptus...who do the good guys fight? |
20:26.35 | DrodoEmpire | Speaking of which I can do Voidwalker anytime |
20:26.47 | Xho | Monet: >themselves Xhodocto - OUR PLAN ALL ALONG KEK |
20:26.58 | Charles_Bot | Lol |
20:27.11 | Charles_Bot | Yeah, the fighting themselves bit is what I find interesting |
20:27.53 | Xho | I think there's much less Spore-based narrative than there used to be |
20:28.13 | Xho | Something which I find is a little depressing |
20:28.21 | DrodoEmpire | I think a big thing with the political stuff is that while a lot of adventure style writers preferred to write among a tight-knit subcommunity (which was mostly due to their stories having very large narrative arcs), the political style was a bit more inclusive to newer users and the narrative arcs shorter and less defined |
20:28.41 | Technobliterator | \o/ |
20:28.48 | DrodoEmpire | Xho: Yeah, perhaps- But again I'd be happy to see that make a comeback |
20:29.01 | Xho | Eh I guess, it's probably a clash of personalities |
20:29.05 | DrodoEmpire | I *love* the old fiction as it lacks a bit of the edge and seriousness newer stuff does |
20:29.19 | DrodoEmpire | Especially from the political people |
20:29.29 | DrodoEmpire | Hey Tech :D |
20:29.36 | Technobliterator | hihi |
20:30.45 | DrodoEmpire | *especially the stories from the political people (which are less spore related and more serious) |
20:31.26 | Xho | I don't find it as entertaining mainly because of the lack of a Spore element |
20:31.38 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, that's fair |
20:31.41 | Xho | Sounding passive-aggressive but the lack of a Spore element isn't wiki friendly to me |
20:31.49 | Charles_Bot | I personally don't share the taste for Spore-related fiction, but I respect it |
20:31.55 | DrodoEmpire | No I get it Xho |
20:32.10 | DrodoEmpire | I like either one but I *am* getting a bit sick of the politics stuff, just a little >.< |
20:32.19 | DrodoEmpire | I want to see what adventure style stuff looks like in 2016 |
20:32.35 | Xho | Charles_Bot: I have to ask why you're on SporeWiki then if you don't do Spore-related stuff, it's not the best thing to have said on SporeWiki |
20:32.53 | Imperios | Hi |
20:33.08 | Imperios | Monet Technobliterator: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghostbusters_2016/ ...So it turned out to be good |
20:33.09 | Charles_Bot | Because Sporewiki has a very interesting open fiction world bringing together many diverse styles and tastes? |
20:33.15 | Technobliterator | Yup |
20:33.23 | Xho | Fair enough |
20:33.23 | Charles_Bot | I use Spore for worldbuilding and such |
20:33.35 | Technobliterator | Or at least decent, anyway |
20:33.42 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: I heard it was okay as well- not brilliant, but not bad if you don't mind that sort of comedy |
20:33.47 | Technobliterator | Also, politics is in Spore, but it's just extremely basic |
20:34.18 | Technobliterator | like |
20:34.18 | Technobliterator | you can befriend other empires |
20:34.18 | Technobliterator | and go to war with them |
20:34.18 | Technobliterator | and that's it |
20:34.18 | Imperios | Do not forget trading |
20:34.18 | Imperios | Actually |
20:34.18 | DrodoEmpire | "gimme money" "no" "fuk you" |
20:34.18 | Technobliterator | yeah that too |
20:34.29 | Xho | >Cheats >unlock superweapons = Profit |
20:34.59 | Charles_Bot | Spore a very useful tool for that, but it isn't very interesting as a setting for a story or a world |
20:35.00 | Technobliterator | My instinct would be that Hachi, Cyrannian and Oluap are on a break and may return later, which is what I think given how they've been in the past. I would hope that's the case, anyway |
20:35.08 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
20:35.11 | Xho | I dunno |
20:35.16 | Imperios | Well I've been wanting to do some adventure stories personally |
20:35.22 | Imperios | Big politics are all good but they are backdrops |
20:35.28 | Imperios | Not stories in themselves |
20:35.29 | DrodoEmpire | Spore is a grand strategy game in the same way CS:GO is a jigsaw puzzle |
20:35.44 | Imperios | But then again my activity is nearing zero anyway hur |
20:36.50 | Xho | I still don't know why the Grox are in fiction but that's just my personal problem with it |
20:37.03 | Xho | Before you answer I do know why but I just don't know why |
20:38.56 | Technobliterator | ...:V |
20:39.17 | Charles_Bot | I don't get it |
20:39.23 | Monet | It seems to be one of the few things that tie the fictionverse to Spore. |
20:39.35 | Technobliterator | Uh |
20:39.36 | Charles_Bot | You guys seem to want to create adventure fiction |
20:39.39 | Charles_Bot | So do it |
20:39.48 | Technobliterator | Most of the fictionverse builds on what's already in Spore |
20:39.56 | Charles_Bot | ^ |
20:40.29 | Technobliterator | For instance, Spore has very basic weapons, the fictionverse does not |
20:40.31 | Monet | Yeah but the Grox are one of the few aspects that are distinctly Spore-like. |
20:40.40 | Technobliterator | Spore has very basic politics, the fictionverse has advanced politics |
20:40.55 | Technobliterator | Spore has very basic characters, the fictionverse has advanced characters |
20:40.56 | Technobliterator | etc |
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20:41.05 | Monet | Hi |
20:41.10 | Charles_Bot | Spore focuses on species and their evolution, and the fictionverse does that to an extent |
20:41.22 | Charles_Bot | More in some places than in others |
20:41.30 | Technobliterator | Spore focuses on the space stage, the fictionverse is basically the space stage on steroids |
20:41.40 | Xho | That's pretty much how it worked |
20:41.42 | Charles_Bot | But the grand world building element is what makes the whole thing Spore |
20:41.49 | Charles_Bot | It's still how it works? |
20:42.03 | ZF101 | Hello. |
20:42.03 | Xho | The first fictions on the wiki were originally the Space Stage playthroughs the users did |
20:42.36 | Technobliterator | As far as I recall, the reason why users were dissatisfied with the wiki was nothing to do with the fiction on it. It was more to do with the IRC and receiving fewer responses for new fiction |
20:43.46 | Monet | That is due to a number of factors |
20:44.05 | Technobliterator | I've no doubt |
20:44.30 | Monet | brb |
20:47.35 | Charles_Bot | Xho: I urge you and the others to start doing fiction again, to create the environment you want to see in the Fictionverse. Otherwise, others will decide its shape and what goes on there. Is there anything stopping you? |
20:47.47 | Xho | Real life for one |
20:49.25 | Charles_Bot | That makes sense, it's making fiction difficult for me too |
20:49.25 | Technobliterator | well |
20:49.28 | Technobliterator | there's a Borealis War remake on the cards |
20:49.41 | Technobliterator | but it won't happen while Oluap et al are on break |
20:54.17 | Monet | Taking A break is fine, it can be a good way to recharge and calm down. Regarding IRC climate, I'm not sure |
20:54.49 | Monet | Real life commitments are making it harder for a number of us to commit to fiction or keep up with everything. |
20:54.49 | Imperios | Xho Wormy_ Monet: BEHOLD, THE STALLION THAT WILL MOUNT THE WORLD |
20:54.49 | Imperios | Saw that in Moscow |
20:54.50 | Imperios | https://pp.vk.me/c630728/v630728728/3d19b/muQDFZgB4U8.jpg |
20:54.57 | Xho | ah hell |
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20:55.08 | Quark8 | Hello. |
20:55.16 | The_Randomness | Hello |
20:56.14 | Charles_Bot | *shrug* A lot of real-world events have happened IRL which are of immediate concern to western publics |
20:56.14 | Charles_Bot | It makes sense for discussions of the news to come on to the IRC |
20:56.24 | Charles_Bot | But as intense news cycles subside, the IRC tends to go back to normal |
20:56.47 | Monet | Imperios: Is it me or...Or does Twilight look Asian? |
20:57.17 | Imperios | Charles_Bot: Pretentiousness aside, that's pretty much true |
20:58.20 | Imperios | Monet: She and Rarity have a slightly different eye design than other ponies |
20:58.20 | Charles_Bot | How was that pretentious? |
20:58.21 | Imperios | More almond-shaped |
20:58.21 | Imperios | "A lot of real-world events have happened IRL which are of immediate concern to western publics" |
20:58.21 | Imperios | I mean |
20:58.21 | The_Randomness | I don't see how that's pretentious at all |
20:58.21 | Imperios | " which are of immediate concern to western publics" |
20:58.22 | Imperios | ...Actually nevermind hur |
20:58.25 | Imperios | Just disregard what I said |
20:58.32 | Charles_Bot | ? Lol |
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20:58.56 | Monet | Imperios: Huh...I never noticed. |
20:58.56 | StomajawEmpire | guys i got a question |
20:59.02 | Quark8 | Yes? |
20:59.34 | Imperios | It's just that the sentence was rather... well... overwrought |
20:59.34 | Imperios | then again that's rich coming from me hur |
20:59.34 | Monet | It completely went over my head that Twilight is the Nerdy Asian. |
20:59.34 | StomajawEmpire | i cant think of a name, for this disease that cam wipe out my spore empire. anyone got any names for it |
21:00.29 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: Rich coming from the guy who said "overwrought" <.< |
21:01.00 | Imperios | As I said |
21:01.00 | Imperios | That's rich coming from me hur |
21:01.00 | Charles_Bot | Overwrought? |
21:01.08 | StomajawEmpire | for the name? |
21:01.25 | ZF101 | Just go to wikipedia, look up some scary diseases, and toy with the names. |
21:01.36 | StomajawEmpire | ok |
21:01.54 | Monet | Charles has a point. As all of us have gotten older, watching or reading the news has become a key element of our lives. |
21:02.12 | Imperios | Yeah I agree |
21:02.34 | Monet | And that keyness results in concerns over headlines to bleed int oIRC discussion. |
21:02.54 | Imperios | Charles_Bot: Just that particular sentence was written in a rather... literary manner |
21:03.05 | The_Randomness | ..and? |
21:03.07 | Imperios | It's like you were writing a political pamphlet |
21:03.28 | Imperios | Hey guys since when are we all white knights turning on each other |
21:03.37 | Imperios | First Hachi and now you guys |
21:03.53 | Imperios | It's okay, we can at times make biting remarks for each other |
21:03.55 | Imperios | *at |
21:03.57 | Imperios | for |
21:03.58 | ZF101 | I'm a blood knight. |
21:04.29 | Imperios | not sure |
21:04.59 | Technobliterator | ._. |
21:05.07 | Imperios | There's no need to protect each other 'cause we all are friends and friends can be honest to one another, right? |
21:05.21 | The_Randomness | ...what? |
21:05.55 | Imperios | As in there's no need to interfere into the discussion and protect Charles or any other user, I'm just saying |
21:06.01 | Imperios | It's not a big deal so no need to intrude plz |
21:06.15 | Quark8 | Ah. I see. |
21:07.33 | Imperios | Alright back to the point |
21:07.40 | The_Randomness | I don't understand what you're trying to get at, so don't lash out at us when we question what you're trying to say |
21:07.56 | Imperios | Alright guys sorry my bad |
21:08.42 | Imperios | I just meant Charles' sentence sounded a bit overwrought, hence my remark |
21:08.58 | Technobliterator | Urm |
21:09.00 | Technobliterator | ok |
21:09.17 | Imperios | Now back to the discussion anyway yeah as I said I agree |
21:09.27 | Imperios | It's probably just born of habit |
21:09.38 | Imperios | born out of habit even |
21:09.53 | Imperios | Charles' way of speaking I mean |
21:11.00 | Charles_Bot | (I took no offense, I was just trying to understand. I looked up overwrought and it didn't make sense in Impy's context) |
21:11.00 | Charles_Bot | (But I understand now, and we can get back to whatever we were talking about before) |
21:11.22 | Charles_Bot | (And Impy's right, I can be verbose) |
21:12.29 | Imperios | I know why it happens |
21:12.46 | Monet | From a certain pserpective, talking about recent game news like new expansions, GamerGate, the latest sellout act by Activision or IGN, isn't much different form talking about the latest public shooting or offensive act by radicals. |
21:12.50 | Imperios | Maybe you're just more used to writing in the journalistic style and it seeps into your everyday speech; and no I do not think news should be relegated to a different channel |
21:12.53 | Imperios | or banned |
21:13.25 | Imperios | Actually |
21:13.25 | Imperios | Relegating politics to a specific channel might work |
21:13.31 | Imperios | I think the SCP IRC did that |
21:13.39 | Charles_Bot | Yeah, people generally use a thesaurus to sound more educated. I use a thesaurus to sound less pretentious >.< |
21:13.44 | The_Randomness | lol |
21:14.05 | Imperios | Like relegating the most touchy topics to their own channels |
21:14.25 | Imperios | I think their list of "touchy topics" included religion, politics, and My Little Pony |
21:15.28 | The_Randomness | yes, that was it |
21:15.28 | Imperios | We can do it |
21:15.28 | The_Randomness | I don't think it's necessary |
21:15.28 | Monet | Do we need it though? |
21:15.28 | Imperios | That is the question |
21:15.31 | Charles_Bot | I'm not sure fracturing the community further is a good idea, though |
21:15.34 | Imperios | I mean four users being alienated is a lot and we also have like a tendency to make arguments |
21:15.40 | Imperios | about politics |
21:15.48 | Imperios | make arguments about politics |
21:16.20 | Imperios | shit |
21:16.20 | Charles_Bot | If Cyrannian is staying in #Cyrannus |
21:16.20 | Imperios | THat's not even proper English is it |
21:16.20 | Charles_Bot | And Oluap and Impy are sticking to Skype |
21:16.29 | Charles_Bot | Having all of the politics users go to their own channel will just make #Sporewiki less active |
21:16.36 | Monet | Sporewiki, unlike SCP, is a very small community; we don't get random highly vitriolic outbursts from visiting trolls. |
21:16.37 | The_Randomness | yes |
21:17.28 | ZF101 | I think, even when we disagree, we can still kinda understand each other on some level. I've never seen things get really out of hand here. |
21:17.49 | Charles_Bot | Not recently, anyway |
21:18.14 | The_Randomness | Charles_Bot: You know if you'll be available today for collabverse stuff? c: |
21:18.22 | Xho | It does get out of hand once a year usually |
21:18.40 | Monet | Sporewiki's IRC environment is small enough that we know the people (to an extent) behind vitriolic outbursts |
21:18.41 | Imperios | Yeah I guess the... fantasy crew will get better eventuaklly |
21:19.23 | Technobliterator | It's extremely easy to make sidechannels split from the main one |
21:20.11 | Monet | Somewhere big like SCP will likely have a few regulars that won't shut up on their controversial opinions. |
21:20.29 | The_Randomness | yeah, and we don't have that issue |
21:20.58 | The_Randomness | Sure, sometimes it flares up a little bit, but it's not often, or severe enough to warrant that sort of action |
21:21.12 | Charles_Bot | ^ |
21:21.17 | DrodoSemiAway | ^ |
21:21.23 | Technobliterator | HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG |
21:21.36 | Monet | ^ We don't have anyone like that |
21:21.40 | Technobliterator | Indeed |
21:21.41 | Imperios | THAT'S WHY WE WON THE WAR |
21:21.54 | Imperios | WHEN HE KILLED HIMSELF HE DID NOTHING WRONG |
21:21.55 | Imperios | MWAHAHAHA |
21:22.04 | Imperios | Aight anyway |
21:22.06 | Technobliterator | hitler was the greatest hero of world war II |
21:22.08 | Technobliterator | he killed hitlery |
21:22.13 | Technobliterator | -y |
21:22.19 | Imperios | The story issue is I think more important |
21:22.34 | Imperios | We really need more small adventure stories |
21:22.56 | Wormy__ | In light of all this death in the Sporewikiverse I might wrap up most of my fiction plans into a grand overview and then work on modernising my articles |
21:23.37 | Wormy__ | I can finally be free of all that responsibility |
21:24.00 | Imperios | That's actually how I thought we could work on our stories |
21:24.10 | Imperios | Grand projects are always disastrous (think Borealis War) |
21:24.23 | Imperios | Small stories when independent are not that interesting |
21:24.38 | Imperios | What about the myth arc format, as seen in many TV shows? |
21:24.40 | Imperios | Like guys |
21:25.05 | Technobliterator | How was the Borealis War disastrous |
21:25.18 | Imperios | You had a mental breakdown closer to the end of the story |
21:25.53 | Imperios | I had a mental breakdown during Tantum Mortimer |
21:26.09 | Imperios | I fucking died when I failed to finish my plot back then |
21:26.10 | Wormy__ | See how much I have to do, I'll never get it all done, and tbh I just don't feel like getting it all done in story form anymore. My enjoyment for writing fiction is more spontanious than pre-planned http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Fiction_and_things_to_do#Fiction |
21:26.34 | Technobliterator | I...didn't? |
21:26.59 | Imperios | Well remember the whole Zaarkhun disaster |
21:27.09 | Imperios | When the work on the war stopped for weeks |
21:27.25 | Imperios | And if not you, what about everyone else? |
21:27.29 | Imperios | We lost breath |
21:27.33 | Imperios | Metaphorically speaking |
21:27.37 | Imperios | Now what I am suggesting |
21:27.39 | Technobliterator | I do not recall |
21:27.47 | Imperios | Remember? |
21:27.54 | Imperios | When Zaarkhun's motivations were revealed |
21:27.55 | Technobliterator | Nope |
21:27.57 | Imperios | Everyone criticised you |
21:28.01 | Imperios | You don't remember? |
21:28.02 | Technobliterator | I don't remember |
21:28.04 | Imperios | really? |
21:28.07 | Technobliterator | No |
21:28.13 | Technobliterator | I believe you |
21:28.14 | Imperios | damn you goldfish lady |
21:28.15 | Technobliterator | but I don't remember |
21:28.38 | Imperios | My point is, people get exhausted closer to the end |
21:28.45 | Technobliterator | I remember that happening |
21:28.46 | Imperios | As for the myth arc |
21:28.51 | Imperios | Has anyone watched MLP or Gravity Falls or X-Files or Babylon 5? |
21:28.55 | Wormy__ | Probably forgotten for a good reason :P |
21:29.03 | Wormy__ | I LOVE Babylon 5 |
21:29.08 | Quark8 | Gravity Falls and MLP I have watched. |
21:29.17 | Quark8 | MLP = My Little Pony, right? |
21:29.57 | Monet | I've seen bits of X-files |
21:29.59 | Imperios | Quark8: Right, Gravity Falls and MLP: FiM |
21:30.03 | Imperios | I'll use these are examples |
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21:30.16 | Imperios | Remember Season 4 of MLP? |
21:30.30 | Imperios | Or season 5? |
21:31.03 | Imperios | Every episode was independent, and yet contained clues for the overarching storyline, and had common themes like cutie marks for season 5 or virtues for season 5 |
21:31.26 | Imperios | Said themes would eventually culminate in the finale |
21:31.27 | Quark8 | Yeah. |
21:31.35 | Imperios | So what if we use that kind of writing |
21:31.37 | ZF101 | I need to get back into Ponies. My hype for the rebooted Bionicle has distracted me recently. |
21:31.44 | Quark8 | What does FiM mean? |
21:31.45 | Imperios | Short stories, each independent |
21:31.50 | Imperios | Friendship is Magic |
21:31.55 | Quark8 | Ah. |
21:32.06 | Monet | Wormy_ Imperios_: Doctor Who also does that |
21:32.45 | Imperios | C |
21:32.51 | Wormy_ | Overbiews bits tthe writers didn't do in detail? |
21:32.58 | Imperios | Right guys |
21:33.01 | Imperios | Who's with me? |
21:33.07 | Imperios | I will do jackshit as always |
21:33.11 | Imperios | But at least I provided an idea |
21:33.50 | ZF101 | I like it. |
21:33.51 | Wormy_ | Imperios, Monet: Actually many chunks of my stories did have an overaching theme just like that, only I concentrated on writing them piecemeal |
21:33.56 | Quark8 | I like it. |
21:34.13 | Monet | Could work. |
21:34.24 | Imperios | yiy |
21:34.32 | Imperios | Let's try it on Shattering |
21:34.42 | Imperios | Monet: Promise I will RP tomorrow |
21:34.45 | Wormy_ | I.e. Attero-Dominatus, DCP-Vermulan War and GXS follow the same theme for the DCP: the archetype of apocalypse and decay |
21:34.46 | Imperios | If not, fucking force me |
21:34.47 | Monet | Wars tend to play out like that - a to-and-fro of conquests and operations, with a few narratives sprinked inbetween |
21:36.13 | Charles_Bot | Total wars* |
21:36.42 | Charles_Bot | I've been focusing on a lot of limited conflicts lately |
21:36.45 | Wormy_ | That gives me an idea actually. My grand overview page for incomplete fictions could be tied together by thematic sections |
21:37.35 | Monet | I also need to get the meat of the Third House War rolling |
21:37.41 | Wormy_ | I would need community support for stuff like the exploration of hyperspace |
21:37.53 | Wormy_ | Since that would transcend my fiction |
21:38.23 | Wormy_ | That is, involve more than just my stuff |
21:39.21 | Imperios | Also I have been thinking |
21:39.29 | Wormy_ | Hm, I like this idea. Because then I can write short stories more spontaneously, which what I prefer and add meat to the bones |
21:39.37 | Imperios | Personally I think RP writing has been both a boon and a curse for the community |
21:39.55 | Wormy_ | I might agree, but could you elaborate? |
21:40.15 | Monet | Unrelated not, https://twitter.com/IGN/status/756235601884700673 SQUIRTLE SQUAD IT'S BEEN SO LONG! |
21:41.03 | Monet | Imperios: RP is good for dialogue, not so good for naval or ground battles. |
21:41.09 | Imperios | Yeah |
21:41.22 | Imperios | Also it makes every collab that includes several people a bore |
21:41.24 | Wormy__ | RP is also a pain to deal with as we get older |
21:42.11 | Imperios | You know perhaps we could do a collab or two the old-fashioned way? |
21:42.14 | Monet | For those a better direction is to work out the events of the battle. |
21:42.21 | Imperios | Each person makes a section of their own? |
21:42.24 | ZF101 | What me and the Mirus gang do is,since we have trouble RPing, we trust eachother to write dialogue for our characters, and make revisions to what they say if need be. |
21:43.06 | Wormy__ | It might be redundant to, as long as we understand each other's characters well enough, I've found that I can use other people's characters and vise versa quite faithfully, especially if I communicate with the user who created that character |
21:43.09 | Wormy__ | too |
21:43.56 | Monet | Yeah. |
21:44.02 | Charles_Bot | Very few people understand or take the time to understand what I write though :( |
21:44.20 | Monet | I've gotten fairly good at playing Tyraz for instance. |
21:44.33 | Wormy__ | I'm good ar playing Loron characters for some reason |
21:44.43 | Charles_Bot | Olol |
21:45.00 | Wormy__ | Oluap and Techno also handle Titanozor as well as I do |
21:45.08 | Monet | Whenever there was a scene in Realm of Giants that involved Tyraz and Mithra, I always played Tyraz. |
21:46.24 | Charles_Bot | It gets a bit more complicated with non-combat characters, though |
21:48.38 | Xho | I don't bother with users trying to understand my fiction anymore |
21:48.45 | Xho | Shit gets complicated in places |
21:50.24 | Monet | Better to let them work it out themselves I guess |
21:50.33 | Wormy__ | The favourite kind of story I like writing involve speculative SF, that has a niche audience here tbh |
21:52.18 | The_Randomness | That's the sort of stuff I enjoy too |
21:52.25 | Monet | That highlights another issue - there's an inverse correlation between context complexity and approachability |
21:52.42 | Monet | But that happens everywhere. |
22:10.14 | Charles_Bot | ^ That's good insight. |
22:12.12 | Charles_Bot | ZF101 I really like the crossovers I have with the Mirusian fictions. Though there's been a few rough spots, we've been making some very interesting content by blending ideas |
22:17.28 | Wormy_ | Monet http://phys.org/news/2016-07-scientists-glitters-realistic-graphics.html |
22:18.02 | Monet | At times I've tried experimenting with discussing a chapter with someone then going off two write it up myself. |
22:19.03 | Monet | Wormy_: The method developed by Ramamoorthi and colleagues is 100 times faster than the current state of the art. |
22:19.03 | Monet | Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-07-scientists-glitters-realistic-graphics.html#jCp anything that speeds up rendering while not sacrificing quality is always a boon. |
22:19.15 | The_Randomness | :o |
22:19.24 | Monet | Wait...SIGGRAPH 2016. |
22:19.51 | Monet | Ahh fuck! I considered volunteering for, or at least, attending that event. |
22:19.57 | The_Randomness | rip |
22:20.46 | Monet | I sent in an application form months ago, they said they were impressed but ultimately turned me down. |
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22:21.22 | ZF101 | Sorry I cut out there Charles. |
22:21.40 | ZF101 | But, yeah I've enjoyed the interactions as well. |
22:22.06 | Wormy_ | Wonder if its fast enough for real time CG |
22:22.40 | Wormy_ | Even in FO4 reflective materials look matte at best |
22:24.13 | Monet | Well this is a chrome car in GTA http://prod.cloud.rockstargames.com/ugc/gta5photo/1188/TL-FMxBRZUWSQmM7DNugIA/0_0.jpg |
22:24.22 | Charles_Bot | ZF101 What do you think should happen next for the Covenant? |
22:25.11 | Monet | I've spoken to lecturers about the tricks video games use and according to them most of this stuff is baked in. |
22:25.45 | ZF101 | Mendel get drunk and say "SCREW YOU!" but then do nothing. |
22:25.47 | Wormy_ | Even then I bet if you went up close it'd just look smooth like a mirror |
22:26.27 | Monet | Oh yeah the chrome on those cars is pretty-much a mirror. |
22:27.43 | ZF101 | In all seriousness, the Mendel are going to come under the control of a major Arsehole who wants to kill and all Xonexi and that jazz. Barda's daughter is going to take a hammer, and with a bunch of friends, go on a Bizarre adventure that ends in many skulls cracked. |
22:27.59 | Monet | Real-time rendering is always the dream. But one of the advantages of frames that take a couple of minutes each to render is that you don't need some top-grade GPU to make it. |
22:28.11 | Wormy_ | indeed |
22:30.28 | Monet | Tweeted because, yknow, this shit must be known. |
22:30.53 | Wormy__ | indeed |
22:34.04 | ZF101 | Charles_Bot Did you get all that? |
22:34.50 | Charles_Bot | Ended at "skulls cracked" |
22:34.57 | Charles_Bot | If so, yes |
22:35.34 | ZF101 | Yeah, basically trying to prevent a madman from starting a war the Mendel can't win. |
23:04.06 | Quark8 | test |
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23:25.48 | Quark8 | Hello Liquid Ink. |
23:26.02 | Liquid_Ink | Hey |
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23:32.23 | Quark8 | wb |