00:00.58 | Wormy_semi_here | Right I think to explain this, the Alcubierre drive in SporeWiki physics basically folds realspace into a volume (or layer) that traverses higher dimensional space. So essentially the same picture as the Alcubierre model and uses negative energy the same way, its just that the higher dimension is defined as hyperspace |
00:02.57 | Spluff5 | Hmm, I might just say that they have it and discover hyperspace later. Not go into detail. |
00:03.08 | Wormy_semi_here | Thats certainly possible |
00:03.41 | Spluff5 | Although the Sanurans have QM Stardrives which don't use hyperspace so I don't have to worry there. |
00:04.20 | Wormy_semi_here | The warp drive is generally discovered or acquired before hyperspace is fully understood or mastered, since it requires much greater amounts of negative energy or simply mass/energy density required to fold space |
00:05.06 | Wormy_semi_here | I've given Tier 4 as an optimistic guess of when warp technology/reactionless drives are mastered, then Tier 2 to fully realise something like a hyperdrive |
00:05.21 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
00:06.06 | Spluff5 | Yeah sounds good. |
00:06.25 | Spluff5 | They also master synthetic wormhole creation before the hyperdrive. |
00:06.46 | Wormy_semi_here | Thats where things get complicated |
00:09.04 | Wormy_semi_here | Since I'd imagine it takes similar energy ranges to create either, it'd be a matter of choice. But I'm not sure what the difference is between the two realistically |
00:09.23 | Spluff5 | I just think it'll look cooler. |
00:14.35 | DrodoEmpire | "What if, overtime, the developers of Pokemon GO slowly reduce pokemon spawn rates to zero, and the app turns out to be a publicity stunt to warn about the dangers of overhunting and mass extinction." |
00:15.44 | Spluff5 | Que X-files theme |
00:15.49 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
00:15.57 | Wormy_semi_here | gotta catch them all http://www.ktvq.com/story/32403198/wyoming-teen-playing-new-pokemon-game-on-phone-discovers-body |
00:16.05 | DrodoEmpire | I heard of that, yeah |
00:16.15 | Wormy_semi_here | is going to hell |
00:17.33 | Spluff5 | I hope she didn't find a Ghost-type |
00:17.41 | DrodoEmpire | Ohh wow |
00:17.49 | DrodoEmpire | I chuckled, admittedly X |
00:17.51 | DrodoEmpire | *XD |
00:19.00 | Spluff5 | When you guys add galleries to your pages do you only add them to the end or as part of the particular section (e.g. pictures of different castles after a paragraph about history)? |
00:19.46 | DrodoEmpire | You can spread pictures about your whole page, adds a lot to it |
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00:22.31 | Spluff5 | I know spreading picture around is good but what about galleries? |
00:22.41 | Spluff5 | Like what I did at the end of my biology section. |
00:22.47 | Spluff5 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Sanurans |
00:23.08 | DrodoEmpire | I used to have a gallery at the very bottom yeah, but its your choice |
00:24.01 | Wormy_semi_here | Monet, Hachiman: Though a scientist and science communicator, Cox is still a Northerner https://twitter.com/ProfBrianCox/status/752203988594982912 |
00:34.24 | Spluff5 | How do you make your own Navbox? |
00:34.47 | DrodoEmpire | I wouldn't really know, unfortunately |
00:35.21 | DrodoEmpire | Though, people don't mind if you cannibalise an existing one and use it with new links and sections |
00:35.33 | Wormy_semi_here | You mean this? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/DCP_template |
00:35.39 | Wormy_semi_here | *something like |
00:36.00 | Wormy_semi_here | Feel free to reverse engineer mine |
00:36.24 | Wormy_semi_here | Though more complex and aesthetically pleasing ones exist these days |
00:36.55 | DrodoEmpire | I'll need to make a navbox too, I'm getting my subpages mixed up |
01:04.17 | Spluff5 | Wow, not bad |
01:04.26 | Spluff5 | Fiction:The Sanurans |
01:04.32 | Spluff5 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Sanurans |
01:04.40 | Spluff5 | I'm quite proud of myself |
01:05.30 | DrodoEmpire | Good :D |
01:07.43 | Cyrannian | Very nice work, I like your ship designs |
01:08.26 | Wormy_semi_here | Really good |
01:08.27 | Spluff5 | They get really complex because of the treds |
01:08.46 | Spluff5 | I wasn't able to add jets onto the transporter |
01:11.50 | Spluff5 | BRB |
01:22.15 | Cyrannian | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/61/LegacyStarDestroyer.png/revision/latest?cb=20160712011639 - Uploaded a new version, take a look |
01:27.11 | Cyrannian | Nightie night |
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04:32.17 | DrodoShogun2 | I like how a retainer (a person or item characters get that give certain traits) in Shogun 2 FOTS is a European Accordion, and its effect is reducing the morale of the enemy army XD |
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06:27.41 | DrodoShogun2 | Nah |
06:28.03 | DrodoShogun2 | Its really late, so I might stay on the line but I'm pretty much headed to bed |
06:28.15 | DrodoShogun2 | I'll be back |
06:30.45 | Spluff5 | Because I just realised a really fundamental question that I need to ask. |
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06:36.39 | Spluff5 | Wait, did you just leave to change your username? |
06:39.36 | DrodoEmpire | No, Ileft because I switched computers |
06:40.03 | DrodoEmpire | I know how to change my username :p |
06:49.18 | Spluff5 | <PROTECTED> |
06:52.52 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
06:57.06 | DrodoEmpire | What is it? |
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07:02.34 | Spluff5 | How is fiction actually writen? |
07:03.39 | DrodoEmpire | What, like a story? |
07:04.33 | Spluff5 | Yeah |
07:04.46 | Spluff5 | I mean where for a start. |
07:05.28 | DrodoEmpire | Often they're collaborative efforts. Two or more users get together, discuss a basic plot, and write sepearate sections and RP ones which involve both fics |
07:06.25 | Spluff5 | And that's on TitanPad? |
07:06.55 | DrodoEmpire | Most of the time, yes |
07:07.25 | Spluff5 | How can other users access them? |
07:07.43 | DrodoEmpire | By linking the titanpad |
07:07.58 | DrodoEmpire | To the IRC or DMs or whatever else |
07:09.00 | Spluff5 | OK, one last question. |
07:09.10 | Spluff5 | What is the typical style of writing? |
07:09.23 | Spluff5 | Like is there usually a central character or a description of the event? |
07:10.07 | Spluff5 | I was going to tell mine episodically using Galactic Adventures before I met you guys and I was wondering if that would still work. |
07:10.30 | DrodoEmpire | Right, well, often there's a semiencyclopaedic synopsis but the main meat of the story is told like a novel |
07:10.38 | DrodoEmpire | A short novel, but a novel |
07:10.48 | Spluff5 | Where could I find link examples? |
07:10.49 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh... |
07:11.04 | Spluff5 | Links to other people |
07:11.14 | Spluff5 | And their writing as an example? |
07:11.17 | DrodoEmpire | Right, the whole GA thing used to be popular as a sorta side thing but that's since fell out of fashion, best to write |
07:11.23 | DrodoEmpire | One minute |
07:12.11 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AMarch_of_the_Eagles - A more recent example, still a work in progress |
07:12.56 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AIce_Age - A good example of a complete fiction saga |
07:13.25 | Spluff5 | Thanks, GTG |
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11:27.26 | Ghelae | Hello. |
11:30.36 | Treebeard | Ghelae Wormy_: What is the smallest theoretical or existing form of non-volatile storage device? |
11:31.35 | Ghelae | Storage of what? |
11:32.12 | Treebeard | Computer data storage |
11:32.52 | Ghelae | Something superconducting, I would think, but I'd have to check. |
11:33.56 | Ghelae | No; I think that's just good for information processing. |
11:35.56 | Wormy_ | Could you explain what you mean by non-volatile? |
11:36.04 | Ghelae | From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(data) - "In January 2012, IBM researchers announced they compressed 1 bit in 12 atoms using antiferromagnetism and a scanning tunneling microscope with iron and copper atoms." |
11:36.49 | Ghelae | In principle, I suppose one atom per bit (one element for 0, another for 1) would be the smallest data storage of that type. |
11:37.15 | Ghelae | I just assumed by "non-volatile" the word "stable" was intended. |
11:38.15 | Wormy_ | I would imagine so |
11:38.21 | Treebeard | Non-volatile storage devices continue to 'hold' data without power. |
11:39.45 | Ghelae | Ah, right. I suspect a stationary arrangement of atoms would do that, but you've have to find a way of making it stable against thermal fluctuations. |
11:40.11 | Monet | What sort of storage medium would lose data when not provided an electric current? |
11:40.12 | Ghelae | And come to think of it, you could do more elements than two to use a different base for your numbers. |
11:41.20 | Treebeard | Monet: I'm not sure exactly how it works, but RAM is volatile. |
11:42.49 | Wormy_ | Organic chemistry has sort of created some of the smallest data storage "devices", though of course are subject to chemical changes such that the information stored is [imperfectly] transposed onto other bits of matter |
11:44.51 | Monet | RAM isn't permanently written into the associated storage device. |
11:44.52 | Wormy_ | Arguably nothing would be truly stable, so you might want to repeat the information encoded onto multiple atoms, essentially crystals |
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11:45.35 | Ghelae | Hello. |
11:45.38 | Wormy_ | hi |
11:45.41 | Cyrannian | Hi |
11:45.42 | Treebeard | Monet: RAM is volatile, not non-volatile. |
11:45.45 | Treebeard | Hello |
11:46.20 | Monet | Treebeard: I know. I was trying to explain how RAM is volatile. |
11:46.53 | Treebeard | Ah |
11:47.50 | Monet | RAM is stored in transistors while non-volatile memory like flash drives, hard drives, and CD ROMs the data is embedded into the material. |
11:52.18 | Treebeard | Ghelae Wormy_ Monet: Thanks, this is very useful |
11:53.20 | Monet | So i suppose the best analogy of RAM memory is as a switchboard. |
12:03.12 | Monet | Wormy_: Murray has won Wimbledon. Hooray! |
12:03.26 | Wormy_ | brilliant |
12:27.05 | Cyrannian | tis a quiet day |
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12:36.41 | Cyrannian | Hai Panda and Impy |
12:41.39 | Monet | Hello |
12:44.31 | Cyrannian | http://evilution90.deviantart.com/gallery/ - This guy has very impressive creations |
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12:51.25 | Wormy_ | Ah, Australia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-36771205 |
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13:29.44 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
13:29.45 | Treebeard | Hello |
13:40.04 | Monet | Hello |
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13:44.17 | dino82_ | howz all dong |
13:45.08 | DrodoEmpire | I'm good |
13:46.34 | Monet | Things are good. |
13:47.13 | Monet | Britain's new prime minister has just been confirmed, I won't say anything more because of her reputation. |
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13:49.04 | Hachiman | Hi |
13:49.12 | Hachiman | https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/12/theresa-may-has-vowed-to-unite-britain-my-guess-is-against-the-poor I love Frankie Boyle's Guardian articles |
13:49.14 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
13:49.15 | Cyrannian | Hai |
13:50.15 | Monet | That's the sort of reason I said I'd say nothing more |
13:50.20 | Monet | But hi |
13:50.50 | Hachiman | Oh, we were discussing May? |
13:51.20 | dino82_ | lol |
13:51.25 | Monet | [14:47:05] <Monet> Britain's new prime minister has just been confirmed, I won't say anything more because of her reputation. |
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13:52.10 | za_warudo | Hello |
13:53.29 | Cyrannian | That was shady |
13:53.59 | Cyrannian | hides Wormy beneath some tin foil |
13:55.22 | Monet | Although I'd say this outcome is partially Leadsom's own fault for that Twitter remark of hers. |
13:56.58 | dino82_ | :d |
14:00.01 | Hachiman | Her reputation is utterly awful |
14:00.34 | Hachiman | That's why I'm laughing, because the Leavers have found that the people they backed have fled and turned their backs on them and now they're stuck with this hag |
14:01.43 | Monet | Yeah that is funny because she looks set to go ahead with the separation. |
14:03.20 | Hachiman | Her reputation honestly cannot get any worse |
14:03.26 | Hachiman | So she has nothing to lose |
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14:16.37 | Jepardi | Hi |
14:17.12 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
14:18.56 | Monet | Hi |
14:33.14 | dino82_ | hi |
14:37.52 | dino82_ | do you think the Tertius has a proper lay out or is it messy? |
14:42.29 | Ghelae | Do you mean the main summary page? |
14:43.00 | dino82_ | yup |
14:44.10 | Ghelae | I think it's fine. Given that some of the sections are only one or two paragraphs, it looks neater than it would if you used === subheaders === instead of bold text as their titles. |
14:44.41 | Ghelae | At some parts it gets quite crowded with pictures, though. |
14:45.43 | Ghelae | Particularly between Fury of Galvarus and State Visit, where you have three short sections with two images each. |
14:47.24 | dino82_ | thanks for the advise! I adjusted it! |
14:47.31 | dino82_ | removed various images |
14:50.18 | dino82_ | where is xho! |
14:51.23 | DrodoEmpire | No idea |
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15:46.34 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
15:47.37 | DrodoEmpire | So apparently, balaclavas were known as "Uhlan caps" or "Templar caps" up until the 1880s |
15:48.32 | DrodoEmpire | Its odd that balaclavas would only get their modern name well after the event they were more or less named for- the battle of Balaclava, during the Crimean war |
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15:55.58 | Spluff5 | Hmm |
15:56.18 | Spluff5 | I'm just wondering exactly how to write my stories |
16:02.10 | DrodoEmpire | How do you mean? |
16:03.19 | Spluff5 | Wheather to do it as just a description of the event like Ice Age, episodically like Star Trek or a continuous story. |
16:03.40 | DrodoEmpire | Right, well, Ice Age *isn't* just a description |
16:03.45 | DrodoEmpire | What you're reading is the blurb |
16:03.49 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
16:03.55 | DrodoEmpire | There's entire short stories |
16:04.11 | DrodoEmpire | Look carefully |
16:07.07 | Spluff5 | That's an interesting way to do dialouge |
16:07.33 | DrodoEmpire | Script-style? |
16:08.38 | DrodoEmpire | Its not my favourite, but yeah |
16:08.46 | Ghelae | Yeah, the common script-style way of doing dialogue is basically most suitable for when stories are written as RPs, particularly when they have lots of characters talking in the space of a few lines. It stems from when RPs were conducted on IRC. |
16:09.35 | Hachi_Away | Yeah, bit obsolete now though |
16:11.40 | Spluff5 | Being dense, I can't fathom what RP stands for... |
16:11.50 | DrodoEmpire | Roleplaying |
16:11.57 | DrodoEmpire | As in- writing as your characters |
16:13.00 | Spluff5 | Yeah, that makes sense to use the script format. |
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16:13.29 | DrodoEmpire | Mehhh... |
16:13.45 | DrodoEmpire | I do RPs all the time and I *much* prefer regular novel-style |
16:13.52 | DrodoEmpire | Especially with Titanpad now popular |
16:18.29 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnDdDppWAAADDwN.jpg:large |
16:21.13 | Spluff5 | Do you focus around one character as the 'protagonist'? |
16:22.49 | Hachiman | Not often |
16:23.16 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah that's uncommon but perfectly acceptable |
16:24.22 | Spluff5 | But I probably wouldn't use one guy throughout the whole fiction. |
16:24.42 | Hachiman | We usually tend to focus on groups of protagonists |
16:25.09 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnBKzEsXgAA0z6E.jpg:large <.< |
16:25.53 | Spluff5 | All together or at completely different parts of the universe to tell awide range of perspectives? |
16:27.23 | Spluff5 | Like, I could tell the story of one crew of a ship and what they go around doing, contributing to the overall plot as I go. |
16:27.47 | DrodoEmpire | You can do whatever the hell you want >.< |
16:28.13 | DrodoEmpire | There's no narrow grouping of accepted stories or plots- I encourage you to do something unexpected |
16:28.53 | Tek0516 | ~test |
16:28.54 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, test is not funny |
16:30.59 | Tek0516 | Hm. My IRC connection is being wierd |
16:47.00 | Spluff5 | Yeah, I guess |
16:47.23 | Spluff5 | I'm just not the best writer so I was just asking to know what's effective in this setting. |
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17:18.27 | Monet | Spluffs: All we can confirm is you'll get better with practice. |
17:18.52 | Monet | Conforming to popular format and style will only marginally help. |
17:33.57 | Wormy_ | https://twitter.com/acicconeyouth/status/752911030028759040 |
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18:05.23 | Wormy_ | The Godfish died in the best possibly way |
18:05.30 | Wormy_ | Goldfish |
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18:25.37 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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19:28.01 | Monet | Afternoon |
19:28.33 | Xho | u call dis afternoon |
19:29.18 | Monet | It's still light outside so yes |
19:30.52 | Xho | So I bought my 31 year old sister a set of Lego for her birthday |
19:31.11 | Xho | For someone who's 10 years older than me she could easily pass for an 11 year old |
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19:31.33 | Monet | Lego has no age boundary. |
19:31.38 | Xho | Indeed |
19:31.56 | Xho | Out of curiosity I was looking at the old school Bionicle sets, they are not cheap now |
19:32.23 | Monet | Those things are collector's items now...shame |
19:32.29 | Xho | I don't think I have any of the really old sets left |
19:32.32 | Monet | Used to have some of the gen-1 sets. |
19:32.49 | Xho | I dunno what sets I've got now, the last time I saw them was like 2008 |
19:32.56 | Xho | They've been up in the loft ever since |
19:33.11 | Xho | I broke some of them down and made my own sets |
19:33.21 | Xho | I could probably sit down and reconstruct them if I wanted to |
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19:33.56 | ImpyDroid | hiya |
19:34.00 | Monet | Hi |
19:34.07 | Treebeard | Hello |
19:34.13 | Monet | Xho: Wouldn't that require patience? |
19:34.27 | Monet | Granted the new sets were fairly simple. |
19:34.32 | Monet | the original sets* |
19:34.35 | Xho | I'm pretty good when it came to Lego |
19:34.46 | Xho | I think I have some of the huge sets still intact |
19:35.16 | Xho | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/lego/images/e/ef/8943-1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120519100547 Like this one |
19:35.56 | Xho | I don't know how many I had in the end, I think I must have had around 300 over the years |
19:36.34 | Monet | Wow |
19:37.43 | Xho | http://swooshable.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/sets/8996-1.jpg?itok=qG7wvnnG Oh yeah I had this one as well |
19:38.26 | ImpyDroid | Hiya |
19:41.16 | ImpyDroid | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Sanctuarium?useskin=oasis Started my work on the rat world, probably will never finished it |
19:41.19 | ImpyDroid | *finish |
19:41.25 | ImpyDroid | Tfw when too many ideas |
19:42.08 | ImpyDroid | Wormy__: How large, in theory, a gas giant satellite can be at the very best? |
19:42.48 | Xho | >hexagonal selenopolis Kicath - AAA |
19:42.57 | ImpyDroid | I basically want Sanctuarium to be small enough for its ecumenopolis status to be somewhat realistic but also large enough for it to have substantial gravity |
19:44.15 | ImpyDroid | Xho: Radeon - http://m.quickmeme.com/img/0f/0f2aa7946913421a0e376a819b8b3f2812b039273a87e2b90e31c1208b94d9c6.jpg |
19:44.47 | Xho | Radeon - SPODE Kicath - AAAAAAA Radeon - SPODE Kicath - AAAAAAA |
19:45.28 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Well Titan is 5.1km in diameter |
19:46.33 | ImpyDroid | Xho: Radeon - very well then |
19:46.47 | ImpyDroid | *very well then you may call Spode AAAAAA if you wish |
19:48.17 | ImpyDroid | Basically I realised that Radeons had VERY different characterisations for their long history |
19:48.45 | ImpyDroid | First they were like bad guys on their way to redemption |
19:49.07 | ImpyDroid | Misunderstood for their zealotry but now seeking peace with unbelievers |
19:49.22 | ImpyDroid | Then they were like these savvy Arab traders |
19:49.43 | ImpyDroid | Then they were crazy emotionless giant Eldar expy warrior monks |
19:50.09 | ImpyDroid | Then they were these communist collectivist telepathic Dickson |
19:50.13 | ImpyDroid | *dicks |
19:50.35 | ImpyDroid | So I figured out that rather than coming up with ways to retcon this |
19:50.53 | ImpyDroid | Why not just make different Radeon cultures with different ways of life |
19:51.11 | ImpyDroid | Ideally I want to make like five Radeon planet pages |
19:51.19 | ImpyDroid | Realistically though |
19:51.35 | Wormy__ | ImpyDroid: I think it depends more on mass than size, of which ratio values closer to one would be considered double planets. I don't know if there is an upper limit, but I should expect values close to 1 being very rare |
19:52.00 | Ghelaway | I don't think there's any reason why a gas giant couldn't have an Earth-sized satellite or larger. |
19:52.05 | ImpyDroid | Right |
19:52.13 | ImpyDroid | I do not want it to be very large either |
19:52.49 | Ghelaway | Then you can make it whatever size you want it to be. |
19:52.52 | Monet | Could have a large iron core. |
19:53.08 | ImpyDroid | So small but uber dense |
19:53.14 | ImpyDroid | Can work |
19:53.16 | Wormy__ | That could work |
19:53.24 | Ghelaway | Ganymede is larger in size than Mercury. |
19:53.34 | Wormy__ | ^ |
19:54.10 | Ghelaway | In terms of radius, not mass. And while an iron core would help to make it denser, I think it's still not going to be Earth-gravity if that's what you're going for. |
19:54.26 | ImpyDroid | Not Earth gravity |
19:54.47 | ImpyDroid | Just enough for Radeons living there not to turn into stick people |
19:54.50 | ImpyDroid | Actually wait |
19:55.25 | ImpyDroid | Radeons are already stick people |
19:55.31 | ImpyDroid | Shit this explains everything |
19:55.59 | Monet | Loltrue |
19:57.28 | Ghelaway | A simple estimate is a Ganymede-sized object made of pure iron at standard temperature and pressure (of course iron will be denser in the core, but then the entire planet shouldn't be iron, so hopefully those errors cancel out somewhat) give g = 5.75 m/s^2 compared to 9.81 for Earth. |
19:58.02 | Ghelaway | So they would be stick people, but reasonably so. |
19:58.52 | ImpyDroid | There we go, makes perfect sense |
19:59.31 | Hachiman | So Putin just sacked every single commander in the Baltic Fleet |
19:59.33 | ImpyDroid | Iovera - and that is why I am, like, so skinny |
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20:00.21 | ImpyDroid | Finally |
20:00.30 | ImpyDroid | Time to do some shuffling in the upper circles |
20:01.18 | ImpyDroid | Can't trust Putin to fully clean out the elites of the country but then it would take a revolution or a tyrannical dictator to do so |
20:03.01 | ImpyDroid | Hm |
20:03.16 | ImpyDroid | Radeons have lived on Sanctuarium for millenia but also have very long lifespans |
20:03.38 | ImpyDroid | how long would it take for then to evolve into stick people? |
20:03.47 | ImpyDroid | Actually wait it is not evolutionary |
20:03.49 | ImpyDroid | Is it? |
20:04.02 | Monet | {art evolution, part biology |
20:04.08 | Monet | part environment* |
20:04.28 | Ghel | There'll be some non-evolutionary aspects to it, but adaptation will play a role in making them better stick people. |
20:04.51 | Monet | Also if Radeons have nanomachine blood, would that affect the timescale? |
20:05.06 | Wormy__ | I've heard estimations that it would take only a few generations, but in lower gravity embyronic development would likely change as welby by the first generation. Genetics would come later |
20:05.09 | ImpyDroid | Actually yes Radeons being artificial could also help and/or not help |
20:05.34 | Ghel | If it makes them better adapted without having to change their genome, that will slow down the adaptation rate. |
20:05.56 | Ghel | If it's advanced enough to produce epigenetic changes, even more so. |
20:06.00 | Wormy__ | Simply living well might too. |
20:06.30 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Putin had sacked those Baltic fleet commanders apparently after hearing that they refused orders to confront Western ships |
20:06.38 | Ghel | Generally, if people don't die / fail to reproduce due to the effects of lower gravity, their non-adapted genes will be passed down for another generation. |
20:07.14 | ImpyDroid | True |
20:07.23 | Ghel | Ultimately, how long it takes for noticeable evolution to occur is dependant on the timespan of a generation, not the total lifespan. So how old is a Radeon on average when it gives birth? |
20:07.28 | NeonPanda | especially if their culture values mental characteristics over physical |
20:07.51 | ImpyDroid | Probably a few in their first or second century |
20:07.59 | ImpyDroid | Let's say 100 |
20:08.32 | Ghel | And have you decided how long they've been on Sanctuarium for besides "millennia"? |
20:08.32 | NeonPanda | that's one thing I love about Pathfinder elves- 125 is considered barely out of their teens by human standards |
20:09.31 | ImpyDroid | Ghel: Hm, like 50,000 years or so |
20:09.36 | ImpyDroid | Radeons are fucking old |
20:09.41 | Ghel | If it's 50,000 years, that gives 500 generations, which I would think is enough to adapt to lower gravity. |
20:10.03 | Ghel | Also, since that's the next system over from Sol, this strongly implies the Radeons were Humanity's first alien contact. |
20:10.34 | Ghel | Archaeohumanity included. |
20:10.37 | ImpyDroid | Radeon - HELLO WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR A WORD ABOUT OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR |
20:10.57 | ImpyDroid | I like how I snatched such an important location and nobody vomplained |
20:11.01 | ImpyDroid | *complained |
20:11.04 | Wormy__ | The Ashtar left Earth about 100,000 BC |
20:11.23 | Ghel | Ah, maybe not Archaeohumanity then. |
20:11.32 | ImpyDroid | It actually originated as a joke back in 2010 |
20:11.59 | ImpyDroid | I hated Avatar and decided to write that Radeons purged Alpha Centauri of life and conquered it for laughs |
20:12.09 | Ghel | If they had, it would be quite something: the Radoens would get to watch humans go from Paleolithic cultures to an interstellar civilisation, twice. |
20:12.27 | ImpyDroid | Radeon - LOL RETARDS |
20:12.33 | Ghel | Yeah; I remember that. So are the "Nebi-Mu" still Na'vi? |
20:12.50 | ImpyDroid | Well they are blue and have ponytails |
20:13.08 | ImpyDroid | Otherwise they are like space modern-day Mongols |
20:13.20 | ImpyDroid | As in, space versions of 21st century Mongols |
20:14.23 | Ghel | 21st-century tech too, or just culture? |
20:14.38 | ImpyDroid | Culture |
20:14.57 | ImpyDroid | As in, aggressive nomads made peaceful by the influx of a foreign religion |
20:15.22 | Wormy__ | ImpyDroid: http://i.imgur.com/IhfC5Me.jpg |
20:16.13 | ImpyDroid | That is like my thoughts when I watched Avatar |
20:16.22 | Wormy__ | "And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us" |
20:18.04 | ImpyDroid | Ghel: Considering the existence of France, it is probably very humiliating for them |
20:18.34 | ImpyDroid | A race that they watched become sentient, destroy themselves and then develop again growing to become more relevant than themselves |
20:18.52 | ImpyDroid | And now every galaxy is swarming with monkeys |
20:19.48 | ImpyDroid | Actually Radeon/human racism should totally be a thing |
20:20.14 | Ghel | Yeah. Maybe a species-wide inferiority complex was another factor behind the Jaharani Crusade. :P |
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20:21.21 | Xho | ups |
20:21.27 | OluapPlayer | spu |
20:21.27 | Ghel | Actually, although perhaps not Jaharan himself, maybe many of his followers were happy to try to stamp out humanity's progress. |
20:21.29 | Ghel | Hello. |
20:21.40 | Wormy__ | Basically, the Ashtar (possibly the Denisovans) left Earth and decided to reverse their effects on the planet (except some wormhole portals) to reset it for Homo sapiens and other hominids. But they left behind an advanced spiritual culture the Pamânt who would later leave Earth again |
20:22.09 | Wormy__ | The Pamânt may have certainly encountered the Radeon |
20:23.20 | Ghel | Apparently, they did build - according to the Humanity page - "a vast interstellar civilisation the envy of the entire galaxy". So they would have noticed the inhabitation of Alpha Centauri in the process. |
20:23.37 | ImpyDroid | Radeon - fuck you plz we saw it first |
20:23.44 | Wormy__ | The Ashtar lived off the positive spiritual essence of the Pamânt but in a none parasitic way, until the Chitahuli arrived |
20:24.18 | Ghel | Oh, it also says they lived 150,000 years ago. |
20:24.46 | Wormy__ | This is more up to date http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Orion_Spur#Ancient_history |
20:25.06 | Ghel | But it also doesn't provide dates. |
20:26.06 | Monet | I'm going to be controversial here and say yes: Let's mix in some human-Radeon racia ltension |
20:26.54 | Monet | It's common as much for aliens ot be racist against humans but I'd say in this case it's a stronger reason than "irrational mouthbreatihng monkeys" |
20:27.20 | Ghel | I suppose it would work in the timeline if the Pamânt were the Archaeohumans, and the Ashtar, Homincyradae and Nebi-Mu were all various descendants of them that had escaped the Draconians in one way or another. |
20:27.54 | Xho | Kicath - well the radeon are right :v |
20:28.20 | Wormy__ | Hm, I'm not really a fan of that |
20:28.36 | Wormy__ | The Ashtar were meant to be the first |
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20:29.07 | Ghel | Well, they still are. |
20:29.15 | Wormy__ | But they left this mortal plane before the Chitauri arrived to harvest Earth. Earth is all they are interested in |
20:29.55 | Ghel | So the continuity problem is that the Ashtar are supposed to be gone before the Chitauri. |
20:29.59 | Monet | The Craftworld Eldar of 40K hate humans in particular because the Imperium is a horrible reminder of the Eldar Empire. |
20:30.03 | Ghel | before the Chitauri arrive* |
20:30.18 | Wormy__ | It makes sense to me with the galactic spanning Civ were the Ashtar, and the Pamant were their inheritors |
20:30.39 | Wormy__ | Its all been left vague |
20:32.13 | Hachiman | Also the fact that Eldar are pretentious, envious pricks |
20:32.26 | Hachiman | And are extremely elitist and racist in general |
20:32.28 | Ghel | So that would be reconciled with the current wording by having the Ashtar ascend from the Pamântian civilistion. |
20:33.08 | Ghel | Some stayed behind, and they were then attacked by the Chitauri. I'm not saying that's how it has to be, of course. |
20:34.10 | Hachiman | Still debating on whether I should set up a YouTube channel or not |
20:36.38 | Monet | Hachiman: "are extremely elitist and racist in general" that's why I said 'in particular |
20:37.19 | Monet | Eldar have a low view of everyone ,but have an even lower view of humans because by the 41st millennium we're in their former position and are going the same way.. |
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20:44.09 | Monet | Hachiman: Still thinking of making it a a rant channel? |
20:44.22 | Hachiman | Probably not a *rant* channel |
20:44.45 | Wormy_ | I'm just not very happy about the Ashtar getting wiped out, hence the distinction with the Pamant |
20:44.57 | Wormy_ | However, that scenario could be the case |
20:45.24 | Wormy_ | *Ashtar civilisation |
20:45.31 | Monet | Hachiman: I forgot the more accurate term |
20:46.51 | Wormy_ | There is connection between the two, the original whatever they called themselves left, some stayed behind, got attacked and enslaved to create the Greys. Then the Ashtar return to banish the Reptiles and Reptile-aligned Greys |
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20:51.15 | Wormy__ | shakes his puppet's fist at the internet connection |
20:54.35 | Wormy__ | ImpyDroid: Maybe Sanctuarium could be the birth place of Irskaad's in-universe persona character |
20:56.22 | Wormy__ | Loves buildings, hates nature = I imagine the Radeon cities dominate over the natural habitats. Is militant atheist = became rebellious against the teachings of Spode |
20:57.27 | DrodoEmpire | What's this about? |
20:57.42 | Ghel | Wormy__: So associating Pamânt with the Ashtar (or pre-Ashtar civilisation, if the Ashtar are specifically the ascended people) has another argument for it: the other Pamântians-i.e.-Ashtar-who-stayed-behind get enslaved by the Chitauri during the war that leads to the collapse of their civilisation. |
20:59.10 | Wormy__ | That can settle the issue I guess |
21:00.25 | Ghel | Well, if Cyr agrees, I suppose. |
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21:04.36 | Wormy_ | I think it makes better sense, the Ashtar after-all are the Nordic aliens (though they could have any fothey like) that would return at various points in later times |
21:04.45 | Wormy_ | form |
21:06.29 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtar_(extraterrestrial_being)#Broadcasts |
21:09.04 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
21:14.25 | Xho | "Say what you want, but we are the foundation upon which you all stand" Kicath - [triggered] |
21:14.40 | Monet | Who says that? |
21:14.48 | Xho | Some dum human |
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21:15.23 | OluapPlayer | wut |
21:15.48 | Wormy_ | my internet has reached The Valader levels of bad |
21:16.31 | OluapPlayer | No internet is worst than mine |
21:17.17 | NeonPanda | you can take that statement literally, without context, and you'd still have a hard time disagreeing :P |
21:17.23 | Xho | "French diplomat" Kicath - did this diplomat get shot the next day because if they didn't |
21:18.56 | Monet | To an extent they are responsible for the current state of the Milky Way. |
21:19.14 | NeonPanda | that don't sound very diplomatic tbh, I thought the point of diplomacy was to not make yourself look like a dick and anger others |
21:19.42 | Xho | Well you could say 'green and pink go together' and it would send a Kicath into rage mode |
21:20.06 | NeonPanda | I'd agree because green and pink would look terrible |
21:20.10 | NeonPanda | green and purple however |
21:20.19 | OluapPlayer | Existing sends the Kicath into rage mode |
21:20.45 | Xho | Kicath - [existential trigger activated] |
21:20.55 | Wormy_ | What makes me laugh is why an intergalactic super spiritual civilisation would take over one transmitter in one small country |
21:21.08 | Wormy_ | to announce to the whole world |
21:22.35 | Xho | Drom: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/4e/AknatazanTower.png/revision/latest?cb=20160710144327 Happy Kicathian summer evening |
21:22.38 | NeonPanda | which reminds me, I should get to work on a fiction plan I had, that being some stories set on an ANZR outpost |
21:23.18 | NeonPanda | basically lite cyberpunk, mainly cos ANZR ain't exactly a dystopia, but that kind of feel |
21:24.36 | Xho | You've made 50 edits in two years, step the fuck up senpai |
21:25.10 | NeonPanda | you know full well I haven't committed much to this community ever since you people made instant messaging the default for fiction work |
21:25.21 | NeonPanda | primarily because staying up that late never works |
21:25.21 | Xho | true |
21:25.41 | Xho | move to uk and all problems (???) are solved |
21:25.51 | NeonPanda | fuck that, I'd have like twice as many problems |
21:25.57 | Xho | exactly don't move |
21:26.35 | Monet | The Mirus guys seem to be doing okay communicating with message walls. |
21:26.50 | NeonPanda | Monet: You forget that in the past we ALL used message walls |
21:26.59 | Monet | I don't. |
21:27.09 | Xho | Remind me what ANZR is again because right now I'm thinking it's an abbreviation for Angazhar |
21:27.19 | NeonPanda | just literally everything that's been worth being involved in for the past few years has been IRC or titanpad based |
21:27.28 | NeonPanda | Xho: Australian New-Zealand Republic |
21:27.44 | NeonPanda | Monet: I mean before we even had an IRC |
21:28.33 | Monet | Maybe you could try using message walls again? |
21:29.13 | NeonPanda | I've been up all night so I'm going to cut this short before I get sarcastic to the point of insulting, but long story short I've considered practically everything and tried half of the things I've considered |
21:30.07 | Xho | The fact that you're Australian terrifies me that you haven't actually reached that stage |
21:31.18 | NeonPanda | I have a lot of self control for reasons I'm not entirely happy about nor proud of |
21:35.59 | NeonPanda | not sure how that's terrifying though, now that I think of it |
21:36.47 | Xho | I'm not exactly the most logical of folk |
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21:45.45 | Wormy_ | Horses look sad anyway http://imgur.com/gallery/398IN |
21:50.02 | Wormy_ | "Yeah but it's common to wrap the new foal in the skin of the deceased one for some time to make sure the mare is going to accept it." > "Hannibal Lector is so misunderstood." |
21:50.49 | Monet | Except Hannibal Lecter wasn't the one cutting people up to wear their skin. |
21:51.11 | Monet | That was Buffalo Bill. |
21:53.05 | Wormy_ | I think there was a man who used his victim's skin and body parts to make blankets and other disgusting items |
21:56.54 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/P73TPW9.png |
22:01.45 | ImpyDroid | Monet: GW2 WILL FUCKING RELEASE NEW CONTENT |
22:01.48 | ImpyDroid | FINALLY |
22:01.55 | ImpyDroid | GW2 LIVES |
22:03.57 | NeonPanda | ImpyDroid: if you start playing GW2 again I'll play with you, lag or no lag |
22:04.34 | ImpyDroid | MESMER MASTER RACE |
22:04.35 | OluapPlayer | when are you gonna be back from wherever |
22:04.42 | ImpyDroid | 16 |
22:04.51 | OluapPlayer | Right |
22:04.57 | ImpyDroid | Then two days in Moscow |
22:05.05 | ImpyDroid | I will be more active but still Droid-only |
22:05.16 | NeonPanda | speaking of, I finally figured out how combos work and I was immediately like new life breathed into Engi |
22:05.20 | OluapPlayer | So only after the 18th |
22:05.25 | ImpyDroid | Yeah |
22:05.56 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFicXlvJBdo |
22:06.40 | ImpyDroid | If we manage to bring Monet back |
22:06.48 | ImpyDroid | We'll be like a power trio |
22:07.16 | NeonPanda | I've got another friend who's playing on and off currently, so potentially four |
22:07.27 | NeonPanda | which reminds me, I do need to go buy the expansion |
22:10.10 | NeonPanda | oh, I did Triple Trouble yesterday |
22:10.14 | NeonPanda | that was a ton of fun |
22:18.48 | ImpyDroid | It is a pity you did not see the Twisted Marionette |
22:19.02 | ImpyDroid | It was the best public event in GW2 ever created |
22:19.17 | ImpyDroid | but unfortunately |
22:19.22 | ImpyDroid | Only available for one month |
22:19.40 | ImpyDroid | Try doing Tequatl and Tarir |
22:19.45 | ImpyDroid | Maybe Shatterguy |
22:29.01 | ImpyDroid | Be assured though most of early Living World was crappie |
22:29.39 | ImpyDroid | NeonPanda: Basically we had a Mary Sue sylvari villain doing random things every two weeks and we had to do something with it |
22:29.50 | NeonPanda | heh |
22:31.03 | ImpyDroid | A sylvari girl who was born abnormal and finished all three asura colleges, created an army of steampunk robots and somehow united six xenophobic antagonist races into one fiction |
22:31.18 | NeonPanda | so an average MMO PC? |
22:31.38 | ImpyDroid | ...Dammit I never thought of it that way |
22:31.47 | ImpyDroid | Every once in a while we had to deal with one of her alliances |
22:31.56 | ImpyDroid | The first one was Flame Legion charr + dredge |
22:32.14 | ImpyDroid | Basically dredge with lava drills and charr in burning steampunk suit |
22:32.16 | ImpyDroid | suits |
22:32.26 | ImpyDroid | Then were Inquest + human bandits |
22:32.32 | ImpyDroid | Basically steampunk pirates |
22:32.42 | NeonPanda | I've run into most of the factions |
22:32.58 | ImpyDroid | Yeah but these were alliances of these factions |
22:33.17 | NeonPanda | just saying you don't have to explain what each faction is, is all |
22:33.22 | ImpyDroid | ANet basically took random enemies and mashed them together |
22:33.32 | ImpyDroid | I am describing the alliances not the individual races |
22:33.41 | ImpyDroid | And finally we had Nightmare Court + kraft |
22:33.44 | ImpyDroid | *krait |
22:33.56 | ImpyDroid | Which I think still sometimes pop up as a single entity |
22:34.01 | ImpyDroid | Toxic Alliance |
22:34.36 | ImpyDroid | It was actually kind of cool, there was a giant tower filled with monsters, with the final boss being a giant krait-sylvari hybrid |
22:34.45 | NeonPanda | whenever I hear Toxic Alliance I just think the League of Legends community |
22:35.58 | ImpyDroid | But it was the Molten Alliance that had flaming Russians |
22:37.03 | ImpyDroid | NeonPanda: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Champion_Toxic_Hybrid.jpg Behold, the tree snek |
22:37.26 | NeonPanda | I was expecting plant lamia, I am disappoint |
22:38.04 | ImpyDroid | In a leaf bikini? |
22:38.31 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-2bvStPNWc Pelagrios and Riad |
22:39.09 | ImpyDroid | Then finally these three got together and we had that crazy invasion of Lion's Arch |
22:39.24 | ImpyDroid | Which was actually destroyed for a year |
22:39.48 | ImpyDroid | Scarlet's own minions though |
22:40.02 | ImpyDroid | Outside of her alliances she had her own clockwork robots basically |
22:40.27 | ImpyDroid | Of which the strongest ones were fucking naked robot women with metal tits |
22:41.41 | NeonPanda | I see no problem here |
22:43.17 | ImpyDroid | NeonPanda: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Legendary_Green_Synergetic_Assault_Knight.jpg Behold |
22:43.38 | NeonPanda | yep, no problems here |
22:43.50 | NeonPanda | I mean it's creepy robot woman rather than sexy robot woman, but still |
22:43.52 | ImpyDroid | Oh and it ended with a lesbian kiss |
22:43.56 | ImpyDroid | Seriously |
22:44.41 | ImpyDroid | And these fembots weren't even the largest ones |
22:44.50 | ImpyDroid | https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Twisted_Marionette.jpg Behold |
22:45.44 | ImpyDroid | This one was triple trouble-level |
22:45.44 | ImpyDroid | You actually had to fight her indirectly by damaging the chains which held her |
22:45.55 | Xho | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFS1TIAtvYw Hachi and Nu |
22:46.05 | ImpyDroid | Also she was bug |
22:46.05 | ImpyDroid | Like https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Human,_Twisted_Marionette_and_The_Breachmaker_size_comparison.jpg That big |
22:46.10 | ImpyDroid | > Hachiman might be interested |
22:46.17 | drom | Xho: Oh nice picture! |
22:46.34 | Hachiman | What's this? |
22:46.39 | drom | Xho: Looks like a normal summer day in Sweden indeed. |
22:47.11 | Xho | video dam u |
22:47.45 | NeonPanda | oh also Imp, why do I keep seeing people with glowing hands? |
22:50.49 | Xho | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJG4aEtKeUw new franku |
22:51.29 | Hachiman | Saw that |
22:51.33 | Hachiman | twas entertaining |
22:52.54 | Xho | "THERE'S GONNA BE A BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGON" |
22:57.48 | Xho | "ey pikachu deez nuts mang" |
22:59.50 | Hachiman | hur |
23:05.31 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Twisted_Marionette.jpg |
23:05.40 | ImpyDroid | and https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Human,_Twisted_Marionette_and_The_Breachmaker_size_comparison.jpg |
23:06.00 | Hachiman | >boob plate |
23:06.27 | NeonPanda | quite literally in this case |
23:07.09 | Monet | The position of that sword is...kinda... |
23:07.17 | Monet | Awkward. |
23:09.09 | Wormy_ | Does anyone here listen to a great deal of piano songs |
23:10.55 | Wormy_ | There's this one that keeps coming back into my head,it is somewhat dramatic, melancholical yet thoughtful at the same time. It goes "nuh naah, nuh naah, nuh naah,, nuh, nuh, nun nuuh nuuh" |
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23:11.22 | Wormy_ | I am literally having to result to that level of search as this earworm is driving my insane |
23:11.39 | Monet | Do you recall where you may have heard it |
23:11.40 | Cyrannian | I came up with the Jaws theme when I read that out |
23:11.58 | Hachiman | Fucking kek |
23:12.09 | Wormy_ | I can see how you did that now |
23:12.44 | Wormy_ | Monet: its ne of them ones you just hear time to time, maybe the type on funeral insurance adverts |
23:12.57 | Hachiman | Wormy_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_RvSzStK9k Listen to this to get it out of your head |
23:13.28 | Wormy_ | Thats actually quite listenable |
23:17.38 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@62.175.182.135.static.user.ono.com) |
23:24.16 | Cyrannian | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/04/RepublicConstitutionClass.png/revision/latest?cb=20160712232347 - c what I made |
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23:25.43 | Cyrannian | ~tickle OluapPlayer |
23:25.44 | infobot | ACTION jumps on OluapPlayer, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
23:25.55 | OluapPlayer | hi |
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23:42.03 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: http://i.4cdn.org/d/1468284924570.jpg "it's not like ayy lmao you or anything... ...s-stupid earthling" |
23:42.45 | OluapPlayer | You browsing /d/ now |
23:42.50 | OluapPlayer | girls with dongs |
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23:45.57 | drom | Wormy_: Looks like the same guy who owned RonRon got a new fox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC6jtCxBS1o |
23:50.04 | Wormy_ | áµáµáµáµaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW\_/\_/ \_/\_/ \_/\_/ |
23:50.58 | OluapPlayer | jesus what |
23:52.26 | Wormy_ | Looks like the fox has a huge outdoor pen |