IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160712

00:00.58Wormy_semi_hereRight I think to explain this, the Alcubierre drive in SporeWiki physics basically folds realspace into a volume (or layer) that traverses higher dimensional space.  So essentially the same picture as the Alcubierre model and uses negative energy the same way, its just that the higher dimension is defined as hyperspace
00:02.57Spluff5Hmm, I might just say that they have it and discover hyperspace later. Not go into detail.
00:03.08Wormy_semi_hereThats certainly possible
00:03.41Spluff5Although the Sanurans have QM Stardrives which don't use hyperspace so I don't have to worry there.
00:04.20Wormy_semi_hereThe warp drive is generally discovered or acquired before hyperspace is fully understood or mastered, since it requires much greater amounts of negative energy or simply mass/energy density required to fold space
00:05.06Wormy_semi_hereI've given Tier 4 as an optimistic guess of when warp technology/reactionless drives are mastered, then Tier 2 to fully realise something like a hyperdrive
00:05.21DrodoEmpireYeah
00:06.06Spluff5Yeah sounds good.
00:06.25Spluff5They also master synthetic wormhole creation before the hyperdrive.
00:06.46Wormy_semi_hereThats where things get complicated
00:09.04Wormy_semi_hereSince I'd imagine it takes similar energy ranges to create either, it'd be a matter of choice.  But I'm not sure what the difference is between the two realistically
00:09.23Spluff5I just think it'll look cooler.
00:14.35DrodoEmpire"What if, overtime, the developers of Pokemon GO slowly reduce pokemon spawn rates to zero, and the app turns out to be a publicity stunt to warn about the dangers of overhunting and mass extinction."
00:15.44Spluff5Que X-files theme
00:15.49DrodoEmpire:p
00:15.57Wormy_semi_heregotta catch them all http://www.ktvq.com/story/32403198/wyoming-teen-playing-new-pokemon-game-on-phone-discovers-body
00:16.05DrodoEmpireI heard of that, yeah
00:16.15Wormy_semi_hereis going to hell
00:17.33Spluff5I hope she didn't find a Ghost-type
00:17.41DrodoEmpireOhh wow
00:17.49DrodoEmpireI chuckled, admittedly X
00:17.51DrodoEmpire*XD
00:19.00Spluff5When you guys add galleries to your pages do you only add them to the end or as part of the particular section (e.g. pictures of different castles after a paragraph about history)?
00:19.46DrodoEmpireYou can spread pictures about your whole page, adds a lot to it
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00:22.31Spluff5I know spreading picture around is good but what about galleries?
00:22.41Spluff5Like what I did at the end of my biology section.
00:22.47Spluff5http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Sanurans
00:23.08DrodoEmpireI used to have a gallery at the very bottom yeah, but its your choice
00:24.01Wormy_semi_hereMonet, Hachiman: Though a scientist and science communicator, Cox is still a Northerner https://twitter.com/ProfBrianCox/status/752203988594982912
00:34.24Spluff5How do you make your own Navbox?
00:34.47DrodoEmpireI wouldn't really know, unfortunately
00:35.21DrodoEmpireThough, people don't mind if you cannibalise an existing one and use it with new links and sections
00:35.33Wormy_semi_hereYou mean this?  http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/DCP_template
00:35.39Wormy_semi_here*something like
00:36.00Wormy_semi_hereFeel free to reverse engineer mine
00:36.24Wormy_semi_hereThough more complex and aesthetically pleasing ones exist these days
00:36.55DrodoEmpireI'll need to make a navbox too, I'm getting my subpages mixed up
01:04.17Spluff5Wow, not bad
01:04.26Spluff5Fiction:The Sanurans
01:04.32Spluff5http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Sanurans
01:04.40Spluff5I'm quite proud of myself
01:05.30DrodoEmpireGood :D
01:07.43CyrannianVery nice work, I like your ship designs
01:08.26Wormy_semi_hereReally good
01:08.27Spluff5They get really complex because of the treds
01:08.46Spluff5I wasn't able to add jets onto the transporter
01:11.50Spluff5BRB
01:22.15Cyrannianhttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/61/LegacyStarDestroyer.png/revision/latest?cb=20160712011639 - Uploaded a new version, take a look
01:27.11CyrannianNightie night
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04:32.17DrodoShogun2I like how a retainer (a person or item characters get that give certain traits) in Shogun 2 FOTS is a European Accordion, and its effect is reducing the morale of the enemy army XD
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06:26.52Spluff5Is anyone there?
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06:27.41DrodoShogun2Nah
06:28.03DrodoShogun2Its really late, so I might stay on the line but I'm pretty much headed to bed
06:28.15DrodoShogun2I'll be back
06:30.45Spluff5Because I just realised a really fundamental question that I need to ask.
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06:36.39Spluff5Wait, did you just leave to change your username?
06:39.36DrodoEmpireNo, Ileft because I switched computers
06:40.03DrodoEmpireI know how to change my username :p
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06:52.52DrodoEmpireHm?
06:57.06DrodoEmpireWhat is it?
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07:02.34Spluff5How is fiction actually writen?
07:03.39DrodoEmpireWhat, like a story?
07:04.33Spluff5Yeah
07:04.46Spluff5I mean where for a start.
07:05.28DrodoEmpireOften they're collaborative efforts. Two or more users get together, discuss a basic plot, and write sepearate sections and RP ones which involve both fics
07:06.25Spluff5And that's on TitanPad?
07:06.55DrodoEmpireMost of the time, yes
07:07.25Spluff5How can other users access them?
07:07.43DrodoEmpireBy linking the titanpad
07:07.58DrodoEmpireTo the IRC or DMs or whatever else
07:09.00Spluff5OK, one last question.
07:09.10Spluff5What is the typical style of writing?
07:09.23Spluff5Like is there usually a central character or a description of the event?
07:10.07Spluff5I was going to tell mine episodically using Galactic Adventures before I met you guys and I was wondering if that would still work.
07:10.30DrodoEmpireRight, well, often there's a semiencyclopaedic synopsis but the main meat of the story is told like a novel
07:10.38DrodoEmpireA short novel, but a novel
07:10.48Spluff5Where could I find link examples?
07:10.49DrodoEmpireEhh...
07:11.04Spluff5Links to other people
07:11.14Spluff5And their writing as an example?
07:11.17DrodoEmpireRight, the whole GA thing used to be popular as a sorta side thing but that's since fell out of fashion, best to write
07:11.23DrodoEmpireOne minute
07:12.11DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AMarch_of_the_Eagles - A more recent example, still a work in progress
07:12.56DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AIce_Age - A good example of a complete fiction saga
07:13.25Spluff5Thanks, GTG
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07:56.12TreebeardHello
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11:26.22MonetHello
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11:30.36TreebeardGhelae Wormy_: What is the smallest theoretical or existing form of non-volatile storage device?
11:31.35GhelaeStorage of what?
11:32.12TreebeardComputer data storage
11:32.52GhelaeSomething superconducting, I would think, but I'd have to check.
11:33.56GhelaeNo; I think that's just good for information processing.
11:35.56Wormy_Could you explain what you mean by non-volatile?
11:36.04GhelaeFrom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(data) - "In January 2012, IBM researchers announced they compressed 1 bit in 12 atoms using antiferromagnetism and a scanning tunneling microscope with iron and copper atoms."
11:36.49GhelaeIn principle, I suppose one atom per bit (one element for 0, another for 1) would be the smallest data storage of that type.
11:37.15GhelaeI just assumed by "non-volatile" the word "stable" was intended.
11:38.15Wormy_I would imagine so
11:38.21TreebeardNon-volatile storage devices continue to 'hold' data without power.
11:39.45GhelaeAh, right. I suspect a stationary arrangement of atoms would do that, but you've have to find a way of making it stable against thermal fluctuations.
11:40.11MonetWhat sort of storage medium would lose data when not provided an electric current?
11:40.12GhelaeAnd come to think of it, you could do more elements than two to use a different base for your numbers.
11:41.20TreebeardMonet: I'm not sure exactly how it works, but RAM is volatile.
11:42.49Wormy_Organic chemistry has sort of created some of the smallest data storage "devices", though of course are subject to chemical changes such that the information stored is [imperfectly] transposed onto other bits of matter
11:44.51MonetRAM isn't permanently written into the associated storage device.
11:44.52Wormy_Arguably nothing would be truly stable, so you might want to repeat the information encoded onto multiple atoms, essentially crystals
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11:45.35GhelaeHello.
11:45.38Wormy_hi
11:45.41CyrannianHi
11:45.42TreebeardMonet: RAM is volatile, not non-volatile.
11:45.45TreebeardHello
11:46.20MonetTreebeard: I know. I was trying to explain how RAM is volatile.
11:46.53TreebeardAh
11:47.50MonetRAM is stored in transistors while non-volatile memory like flash drives, hard drives, and CD ROMs the data is embedded into the material.
11:52.18TreebeardGhelae Wormy_ Monet: Thanks, this is very useful
11:53.20MonetSo i suppose the best analogy of RAM memory is as a switchboard.
12:03.12MonetWormy_: Murray has won Wimbledon. Hooray!
12:03.26Wormy_brilliant
12:27.05Cyranniantis a quiet day
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12:36.41CyrannianHai Panda and Impy
12:41.39MonetHello
12:44.31Cyrannianhttp://evilution90.deviantart.com/gallery/ - This guy has very impressive creations
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12:51.25Wormy_Ah, Australia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-36771205
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13:28.36dino82_hi
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13:40.04MonetHello
13:42.08GhelaeHello.
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13:44.17dino82_howz all dong
13:45.08DrodoEmpireI'm good
13:46.34MonetThings are good.
13:47.13MonetBritain's new prime minister has just been confirmed, I won't say anything more because of her reputation.
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13:49.04HachimanHi
13:49.12Hachimanhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/12/theresa-may-has-vowed-to-unite-britain-my-guess-is-against-the-poor I love Frankie Boyle's Guardian articles
13:49.14DrodoEmpireHi
13:49.15CyrannianHai
13:50.15MonetThat's the sort of reason I said I'd say nothing more
13:50.20MonetBut hi
13:50.50HachimanOh, we were discussing May?
13:51.20dino82_lol
13:51.25Monet[14:47:05] <Monet> Britain's new prime minister has just been confirmed, I won't say anything more because of her reputation.
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13:53.29CyrannianThat was shady
13:53.59Cyrannianhides Wormy beneath some tin foil
13:55.22MonetAlthough I'd say this outcome is partially Leadsom's own fault for that Twitter remark of hers.
13:56.58dino82_:d
14:00.01HachimanHer reputation is utterly awful
14:00.34HachimanThat's why I'm laughing, because the Leavers have found that the people they backed have fled and turned their backs on them and now they're stuck with this hag
14:01.43MonetYeah that is funny because she looks set to go ahead with the separation.
14:03.20HachimanHer reputation honestly cannot get any worse
14:03.26HachimanSo she has nothing to lose
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14:16.37JepardiHi
14:17.12DrodoEmpireHi
14:18.56MonetHi
14:33.14dino82_hi
14:37.52dino82_do you think the Tertius has a proper lay out or is it messy?
14:42.29GhelaeDo you mean the main summary page?
14:43.00dino82_yup
14:44.10GhelaeI think it's fine. Given that some of the sections are only one or two paragraphs, it looks neater than it would if you used === subheaders === instead of bold text as their titles.
14:44.41GhelaeAt some parts it gets quite crowded with pictures, though.
14:45.43GhelaeParticularly between Fury of Galvarus and State Visit, where you have three short sections with two images each.
14:47.24dino82_thanks for the advise! I adjusted it!
14:47.31dino82_removed various images
14:50.18dino82_where is xho!
14:51.23DrodoEmpireNo idea
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15:46.34DrodoEmpireHi
15:47.37DrodoEmpireSo apparently, balaclavas were known as "Uhlan caps" or "Templar caps" up until the 1880s
15:48.32DrodoEmpireIts odd that balaclavas would only get their modern name well after the event they were more or less named for- the battle of Balaclava, during the Crimean war
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15:55.58Spluff5Hmm
15:56.18Spluff5I'm just wondering exactly how to write my stories
16:02.10DrodoEmpireHow do you mean?
16:03.19Spluff5Wheather to do it as just a description of the event like Ice Age, episodically like Star Trek or a continuous story.
16:03.40DrodoEmpireRight, well, Ice Age *isn't* just a description
16:03.45DrodoEmpireWhat you're reading is the blurb
16:03.49DrodoEmpire:p
16:03.55DrodoEmpireThere's entire short stories
16:04.11DrodoEmpireLook carefully
16:07.07Spluff5That's an interesting way to do dialouge
16:07.33DrodoEmpireScript-style?
16:08.38DrodoEmpireIts not my favourite, but yeah
16:08.46GhelaeYeah, the common script-style way of doing dialogue is basically most suitable for when stories are written as RPs, particularly when they have lots of characters talking in the space of a few lines. It stems from when RPs were conducted on IRC.
16:09.35Hachi_AwayYeah, bit obsolete now though
16:11.40Spluff5Being dense, I can't fathom what RP stands for...
16:11.50DrodoEmpireRoleplaying
16:11.57DrodoEmpireAs in- writing as your characters
16:13.00Spluff5Yeah, that makes sense to use the script format.
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16:13.29DrodoEmpireMehhh...
16:13.45DrodoEmpireI do RPs all the time and I *much* prefer regular novel-style
16:13.52DrodoEmpireEspecially with Titanpad now popular
16:18.29DrodoEmpirehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnDdDppWAAADDwN.jpg:large
16:21.13Spluff5Do you focus around one character as the 'protagonist'?
16:22.49HachimanNot often
16:23.16DrodoEmpireYeah that's uncommon but perfectly acceptable
16:24.22Spluff5But I probably wouldn't use one guy throughout the whole fiction.
16:24.42HachimanWe usually tend to focus on groups of protagonists
16:25.09DrodoEmpirehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnBKzEsXgAA0z6E.jpg:large <.<
16:25.53Spluff5All together or at completely different parts of the universe to tell awide range of perspectives?
16:27.23Spluff5Like, I could tell the story of one crew of a ship and what they go around doing, contributing to the overall plot as I go.
16:27.47DrodoEmpireYou can do whatever the hell you want >.<
16:28.13DrodoEmpireThere's no narrow grouping of accepted stories or plots- I encourage you to do something unexpected
16:28.53Tek0516~test
16:28.54infobotextra, extra, read all about it, test is not funny
16:30.59Tek0516Hm. My IRC connection is being wierd
16:47.00Spluff5Yeah, I guess
16:47.23Spluff5I'm just not the best writer so I was just asking to know what's effective in this setting.
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17:18.27MonetSpluffs: All we can confirm is you'll get better with practice.
17:18.52MonetConforming to popular format and style will only marginally help.
17:33.57Wormy_https://twitter.com/acicconeyouth/status/752911030028759040
18:00.16Cyrannianhttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13615478_967088300070025_2756967482353961980_n.jpg?oh=e8b577efc71169965eac74f3b4a6c58a&oe=58367460
18:05.23Wormy_The Godfish died in the best possibly way
18:05.30Wormy_Goldfish
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18:25.37DrodoEmpireHi
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19:28.01MonetAfternoon
19:28.33Xhou call dis afternoon
19:29.18MonetIt's still light outside so yes
19:30.52XhoSo I bought my 31 year old sister a set of Lego for her birthday
19:31.11XhoFor someone who's 10 years older than me she could easily pass for an 11 year old
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19:31.33MonetLego has no age boundary.
19:31.38XhoIndeed
19:31.56XhoOut of curiosity I was looking at the old school Bionicle sets, they are not cheap now
19:32.23MonetThose things are collector's items now...shame
19:32.29XhoI don't think I have any of the really old sets left
19:32.32MonetUsed to have some of the gen-1 sets.
19:32.49XhoI dunno what sets I've got now, the last time I saw them was like 2008
19:32.56XhoThey've been up in the loft ever since
19:33.11XhoI broke some of them down and made my own sets
19:33.21XhoI could probably sit down and reconstruct them if I wanted to
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19:33.56ImpyDroidhiya
19:34.00MonetHi
19:34.07TreebeardHello
19:34.13MonetXho: Wouldn't that require patience?
19:34.27MonetGranted the new sets were fairly simple.
19:34.32Monetthe original sets*
19:34.35XhoI'm pretty good when it came to Lego
19:34.46XhoI think I have some of the huge sets still intact
19:35.16Xhohttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/lego/images/e/ef/8943-1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120519100547 Like this one
19:35.56XhoI don't know how many I had in the end, I think I must have had around 300 over the years
19:36.34MonetWow
19:37.43Xhohttp://swooshable.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/sets/8996-1.jpg?itok=qG7wvnnG Oh yeah I had this one as well
19:38.26ImpyDroidHiya
19:41.16ImpyDroidhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Sanctuarium?useskin=oasis Started my work on the rat world, probably will never finished it
19:41.19ImpyDroid*finish
19:41.25ImpyDroidTfw when too many ideas
19:42.08ImpyDroidWormy__: How large, in theory, a gas giant satellite can be at the very best?
19:42.48Xho>hexagonal selenopolis               Kicath - AAA
19:42.57ImpyDroidI basically want Sanctuarium to be small enough for its ecumenopolis status to be somewhat realistic but also large enough for it to have substantial gravity
19:44.15ImpyDroidXho: Radeon - http://m.quickmeme.com/img/0f/0f2aa7946913421a0e376a819b8b3f2812b039273a87e2b90e31c1208b94d9c6.jpg
19:44.47XhoRadeon - SPODE          Kicath - AAAAAAA              Radeon - SPODE       Kicath - AAAAAAA
19:45.28MonetImpyDroid: Well Titan is 5.1km in diameter
19:46.33ImpyDroidXho: Radeon - very well then
19:46.47ImpyDroid*very well then       you may call Spode AAAAAA if you wish
19:48.17ImpyDroidBasically I realised that Radeons had VERY different characterisations for their long history
19:48.45ImpyDroidFirst they were like bad guys on their way to redemption
19:49.07ImpyDroidMisunderstood for their zealotry but now seeking peace with unbelievers
19:49.22ImpyDroidThen they were like these savvy Arab traders
19:49.43ImpyDroidThen they were crazy emotionless giant Eldar expy warrior monks
19:50.09ImpyDroidThen they were these communist collectivist telepathic Dickson
19:50.13ImpyDroid*dicks
19:50.35ImpyDroidSo I figured out that rather than coming up with ways to retcon this
19:50.53ImpyDroidWhy not just make different Radeon cultures with different ways of life
19:51.11ImpyDroidIdeally I want to make like five Radeon planet pages
19:51.19ImpyDroidRealistically though
19:51.35Wormy__ImpyDroid: I think it depends more on mass than size, of which ratio values closer to one would be considered double planets.  I don't know if there is an upper limit, but I should expect values close to 1 being very rare
19:52.00GhelawayI don't think there's any reason why a gas giant couldn't have an Earth-sized satellite or larger.
19:52.05ImpyDroidRight
19:52.13ImpyDroidI do not want it to be very large either
19:52.49GhelawayThen you can make it whatever size you want it to be.
19:52.52MonetCould have a large iron core.
19:53.08ImpyDroidSo small but uber dense
19:53.14ImpyDroidCan work
19:53.16Wormy__That could work
19:53.24GhelawayGanymede is larger in size than Mercury.
19:53.34Wormy__^
19:54.10GhelawayIn terms of radius, not mass. And while an iron core would help to make it denser, I think it's still not going to be Earth-gravity if that's what you're going for.
19:54.26ImpyDroidNot Earth gravity
19:54.47ImpyDroidJust enough for Radeons living there not to turn into stick people
19:54.50ImpyDroidActually wait
19:55.25ImpyDroidRadeons are already stick people
19:55.31ImpyDroidShit this explains everything
19:55.59MonetLoltrue
19:57.28GhelawayA simple estimate is a Ganymede-sized object made of pure iron at standard temperature and pressure (of course iron will be denser in the core, but then the entire planet shouldn't be iron, so hopefully those errors cancel out somewhat) give g = 5.75 m/s^2 compared to 9.81 for Earth.
19:58.02GhelawaySo they would be stick people, but reasonably so.
19:58.52ImpyDroidThere we go, makes perfect sense
19:59.31HachimanSo Putin just sacked every single commander in the Baltic Fleet
19:59.33ImpyDroidIovera - and that is why I am, like, so skinny
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20:00.21ImpyDroidFinally
20:00.30ImpyDroidTime to do some shuffling in the upper circles
20:01.18ImpyDroidCan't trust Putin to fully clean out the elites of the country but then it would take a revolution or a tyrannical dictator to do so
20:03.01ImpyDroidHm
20:03.16ImpyDroidRadeons have lived on Sanctuarium for millenia but also have very long lifespans
20:03.38ImpyDroidhow long would it take for then to evolve into stick people?
20:03.47ImpyDroidActually wait it is not evolutionary
20:03.49ImpyDroidIs it?
20:04.02Monet{art evolution, part biology
20:04.08Monetpart environment*
20:04.28GhelThere'll be some non-evolutionary aspects to it, but adaptation will play a role in making them better stick people.
20:04.51MonetAlso if Radeons have nanomachine blood, would that affect the timescale?
20:05.06Wormy__I've heard estimations that it would take only a few generations, but in lower gravity embyronic development would likely change as welby by the first generation.  Genetics would come later
20:05.09ImpyDroidActually yes Radeons being artificial could also help and/or not help
20:05.34GhelIf it makes them better adapted without having to change their genome, that will slow down the adaptation rate.
20:05.56GhelIf it's advanced enough to produce epigenetic changes, even more so.
20:06.00Wormy__Simply living well might too.
20:06.30HachimanImpyDroid: Putin had sacked those Baltic fleet commanders apparently after hearing that they refused orders to confront Western ships
20:06.38GhelGenerally, if people don't die / fail to reproduce due to the effects of lower gravity, their non-adapted genes will be passed down for another generation.
20:07.14ImpyDroidTrue
20:07.23GhelUltimately, how long it takes for noticeable evolution to occur is dependant on the timespan of a generation, not the total lifespan. So how old is a Radeon on average when it gives birth?
20:07.28NeonPandaespecially if their culture values mental characteristics over physical
20:07.51ImpyDroidProbably a few in their first or second century
20:07.59ImpyDroidLet's say 100
20:08.32GhelAnd have you decided how long they've been on Sanctuarium for besides "millennia"?
20:08.32NeonPandathat's one thing I love about Pathfinder elves- 125 is considered barely out of their teens by human standards
20:09.31ImpyDroidGhel: Hm, like 50,000 years or so
20:09.36ImpyDroidRadeons are fucking old
20:09.41GhelIf it's 50,000 years, that gives 500 generations, which I would think is enough to adapt to lower gravity.
20:10.03GhelAlso, since that's the next system over from Sol, this strongly implies the Radeons were Humanity's first alien contact.
20:10.34GhelArchaeohumanity included.
20:10.37ImpyDroidRadeon - HELLO     WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR A WORD ABOUT OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR
20:10.57ImpyDroidI like how I snatched such an important location and nobody vomplained
20:11.01ImpyDroid*complained
20:11.04Wormy__The Ashtar left Earth about 100,000 BC
20:11.23GhelAh, maybe not Archaeohumanity then.
20:11.32ImpyDroidIt actually originated as a joke back in 2010
20:11.59ImpyDroidI hated Avatar and decided to write that Radeons purged Alpha Centauri of life and conquered it for laughs
20:12.09GhelIf they had, it would be quite something: the Radoens would get to watch humans go from Paleolithic cultures to an interstellar civilisation, twice.
20:12.27ImpyDroidRadeon - LOL RETARDS
20:12.33GhelYeah; I remember that. So are the "Nebi-Mu" still Na'vi?
20:12.50ImpyDroidWell they are blue and have ponytails
20:13.08ImpyDroidOtherwise they are like space modern-day Mongols
20:13.20ImpyDroidAs in, space versions of 21st century Mongols
20:14.23Ghel21st-century tech too, or just culture?
20:14.38ImpyDroidCulture
20:14.57ImpyDroidAs in, aggressive nomads made peaceful by the influx of a foreign religion
20:15.22Wormy__ImpyDroid: http://i.imgur.com/IhfC5Me.jpg
20:16.13ImpyDroidThat is like my thoughts when I watched Avatar
20:16.22Wormy__"And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us"
20:18.04ImpyDroidGhel: Considering the existence of France, it is probably very humiliating for them
20:18.34ImpyDroidA race that they watched become sentient, destroy themselves and then develop again growing to become more relevant than themselves
20:18.52ImpyDroidAnd now every galaxy is swarming with monkeys
20:19.48ImpyDroidActually Radeon/human racism should totally be a thing
20:20.14GhelYeah. Maybe a species-wide inferiority complex was another factor behind the Jaharani Crusade. :P
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20:21.27GhelActually, although perhaps not Jaharan himself, maybe many of his followers were happy to try to stamp out humanity's progress.
20:21.29GhelHello.
20:21.40Wormy__Basically, the Ashtar (possibly the Denisovans) left Earth and decided to reverse their effects on the planet (except some wormhole portals) to reset it for Homo sapiens and other hominids.  But they left behind an advanced spiritual culture the Pamânt who would later leave Earth again
20:22.09Wormy__The Pamânt may have certainly encountered the Radeon
20:23.20GhelApparently, they did build - according to the Humanity page - "a vast interstellar civilisation the envy of the entire galaxy". So they would have noticed the inhabitation of Alpha Centauri in the process.
20:23.37ImpyDroidRadeon - fuck you plz     we saw it first
20:23.44Wormy__The Ashtar lived off the positive spiritual essence of the Pamânt but in a none parasitic way, until the Chitahuli arrived
20:24.18GhelOh, it also says they lived 150,000 years ago.
20:24.46Wormy__This is more up to date http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Orion_Spur#Ancient_history
20:25.06GhelBut it also doesn't provide dates.
20:26.06MonetI'm going to be controversial here and say yes: Let's mix in some human-Radeon racia ltension
20:26.54MonetIt's common as much for aliens ot be racist against humans but I'd say in this case it's a stronger reason than "irrational mouthbreatihng monkeys"
20:27.20GhelI suppose it would work in the timeline if the Pamânt were the Archaeohumans, and the Ashtar, Homincyradae and Nebi-Mu were all various descendants of them that had escaped the Draconians in one way or another.
20:27.54XhoKicath - well the radeon are right :v
20:28.20Wormy__Hm, I'm not really a fan of that
20:28.36Wormy__The Ashtar were meant to be the first
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20:29.07GhelWell, they still are.
20:29.15Wormy__But they left this mortal plane before the Chitauri arrived to harvest Earth.  Earth is all they are interested in
20:29.55GhelSo the continuity problem is that the Ashtar are supposed to be gone before the Chitauri.
20:29.59MonetThe Craftworld Eldar of 40K hate humans in particular because the Imperium is a horrible reminder of the Eldar Empire.
20:30.03Ghelbefore the Chitauri arrive*
20:30.18Wormy__It makes sense to me with the galactic spanning Civ were the Ashtar, and the Pamant were their inheritors
20:30.39Wormy__Its all been left vague
20:32.13HachimanAlso the fact that Eldar are pretentious, envious pricks
20:32.26HachimanAnd are extremely elitist and racist in general
20:32.28GhelSo that would be reconciled with the current wording by having the Ashtar ascend from the Pamântian civilistion.
20:33.08GhelSome stayed behind, and they were then attacked by the Chitauri. I'm not saying that's how it has to be, of course.
20:34.10HachimanStill debating on whether I should set up a YouTube channel or not
20:36.38MonetHachiman: "are extremely elitist and racist in general" that's why I said 'in particular
20:37.19MonetEldar have a low view of everyone ,but have an even lower view of humans because by the 41st millennium we're in their former position and are going the same way..
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20:44.09MonetHachiman: Still thinking of making it a a rant channel?
20:44.22HachimanProbably not a *rant* channel
20:44.45Wormy_I'm just not very happy about the Ashtar getting wiped out, hence the distinction with the Pamant
20:44.57Wormy_However, that scenario could be the case
20:45.24Wormy_*Ashtar civilisation
20:45.31MonetHachiman: I forgot the more accurate term
20:46.51Wormy_There is connection between the two, the original whatever they called themselves left, some stayed behind, got attacked and enslaved to create the Greys.  Then the Ashtar return to banish the Reptiles and Reptile-aligned Greys
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20:51.15Wormy__shakes his puppet's fist at the internet connection
20:54.35Wormy__ImpyDroid:  Maybe Sanctuarium could be the birth place of Irskaad's in-universe persona character
20:56.22Wormy__Loves buildings, hates nature = I imagine the Radeon cities dominate over the natural habitats.   Is militant atheist = became rebellious against the teachings of Spode
20:57.27DrodoEmpireWhat's this about?
20:57.42GhelWormy__: So associating Pamânt with the Ashtar (or pre-Ashtar civilisation, if the Ashtar are specifically the ascended people) has another argument for it: the other Pamântians-i.e.-Ashtar-who-stayed-behind get enslaved by the Chitauri during the war that leads to the collapse of their civilisation.
20:59.10Wormy__That can settle the issue I guess
21:00.25GhelWell, if Cyr agrees, I suppose.
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21:04.36Wormy_I think it makes better sense, the Ashtar after-all are the Nordic aliens (though they could have any fothey like) that would return at various points in later times
21:04.45Wormy_form
21:06.29Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtar_(extraterrestrial_being)#Broadcasts
21:09.04Monet<PROTECTED>
21:14.25Xho"Say what you want, but we are the foundation upon which you all stand"                 Kicath - [triggered]
21:14.40MonetWho says that?
21:14.48XhoSome dum human
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21:15.23OluapPlayerwut
21:15.48Wormy_my internet has reached The Valader levels of bad
21:16.31OluapPlayerNo internet is worst than mine
21:17.17NeonPandayou can take that statement literally, without context, and you'd still have a hard time disagreeing :P
21:17.23Xho"French diplomat"        Kicath - did this diplomat get shot the next day because if they didn't
21:18.56MonetTo an extent they are responsible for the current state of the Milky Way.
21:19.14NeonPandathat don't sound very diplomatic tbh, I thought the point of diplomacy was to not make yourself look like a dick and anger others
21:19.42XhoWell you could say 'green and pink go together' and it would send a Kicath into rage mode
21:20.06NeonPandaI'd agree because green and pink would look terrible
21:20.10NeonPandagreen and purple however
21:20.19OluapPlayerExisting sends the Kicath into rage mode
21:20.45XhoKicath - [existential trigger activated]
21:20.55Wormy_What makes me laugh is why an intergalactic super spiritual civilisation would take over one transmitter in one small country
21:21.08Wormy_to announce to the whole world
21:22.35XhoDrom: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/4e/AknatazanTower.png/revision/latest?cb=20160710144327 Happy Kicathian summer evening
21:22.38NeonPandawhich reminds me, I should get to work on a fiction plan I had, that being some stories set on an ANZR outpost
21:23.18NeonPandabasically lite cyberpunk, mainly cos ANZR ain't exactly a dystopia, but that kind of feel
21:24.36XhoYou've made 50 edits in two years, step the fuck up senpai
21:25.10NeonPandayou know full well I haven't committed much to this community ever since you people made instant messaging the default for fiction work
21:25.21NeonPandaprimarily because staying up that late never works
21:25.21Xhotrue
21:25.41Xhomove to uk and all problems (???) are solved
21:25.51NeonPandafuck that, I'd have like twice as many problems
21:25.57Xhoexactly don't move
21:26.35MonetThe Mirus guys seem to be doing okay communicating with message walls.
21:26.50NeonPandaMonet: You forget that in the past we ALL used message walls
21:26.59MonetI don't.
21:27.09XhoRemind me what ANZR is again because right now I'm thinking it's an abbreviation for Angazhar
21:27.19NeonPandajust literally everything that's been worth being involved in for the past few years has been IRC or titanpad based
21:27.28NeonPandaXho: Australian New-Zealand Republic
21:27.44NeonPandaMonet: I mean before we even had an IRC
21:28.33MonetMaybe you could try using message walls again?
21:29.13NeonPandaI've been up all night so I'm going to cut this short before I get sarcastic to the point of insulting, but long story short I've considered practically everything and tried half of the things I've considered
21:30.07XhoThe fact that you're Australian terrifies me that you haven't actually reached that stage
21:31.18NeonPandaI have a lot of self control for reasons I'm not entirely happy about nor proud of
21:35.59NeonPandanot sure how that's terrifying though, now that I think of it
21:36.47XhoI'm not exactly the most logical of folk
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21:45.45Wormy_Horses look sad anyway http://imgur.com/gallery/398IN
21:50.02Wormy_"Yeah but it's common to wrap the new foal in the skin of the deceased one for some time to make sure the mare is going to accept it." > "Hannibal Lector is so misunderstood."
21:50.49MonetExcept Hannibal Lecter wasn't the one cutting people up to wear their skin.
21:51.11MonetThat was Buffalo Bill.
21:53.05Wormy_I think there was a man who used his victim's skin and body parts to make blankets and other disgusting items
21:56.54Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/P73TPW9.png
22:01.45ImpyDroidMonet: GW2 WILL FUCKING RELEASE NEW CONTENT
22:01.48ImpyDroidFINALLY
22:01.55ImpyDroidGW2 LIVES
22:03.57NeonPandaImpyDroid: if you start playing GW2 again I'll play with you, lag or no lag
22:04.34ImpyDroidMESMER MASTER RACE
22:04.35OluapPlayerwhen are you gonna be back from wherever
22:04.42ImpyDroid16
22:04.51OluapPlayerRight
22:04.57ImpyDroidThen two days in Moscow
22:05.05ImpyDroidI will be more active but still Droid-only
22:05.16NeonPandaspeaking of, I finally figured out how combos work and I was immediately like new life breathed into Engi
22:05.20OluapPlayerSo only after the 18th
22:05.25ImpyDroidYeah
22:05.56Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFicXlvJBdo
22:06.40ImpyDroidIf we manage to bring Monet back
22:06.48ImpyDroidWe'll be like a power trio
22:07.16NeonPandaI've got another friend who's playing on and off currently, so potentially four
22:07.27NeonPandawhich reminds me, I do need to go buy the expansion
22:10.10NeonPandaoh, I did Triple Trouble yesterday
22:10.14NeonPandathat was a ton of fun
22:18.48ImpyDroidIt is a pity you did not see the Twisted Marionette
22:19.02ImpyDroidIt was the best public event in GW2 ever created
22:19.17ImpyDroidbut unfortunately
22:19.22ImpyDroidOnly available for one month
22:19.40ImpyDroidTry doing Tequatl and Tarir
22:19.45ImpyDroidMaybe Shatterguy
22:29.01ImpyDroidBe assured though most of early Living World was crappie
22:29.39ImpyDroidNeonPanda: Basically we had a Mary Sue sylvari villain doing random things every two weeks and we had to do something with it
22:29.50NeonPandaheh
22:31.03ImpyDroidA sylvari girl who was born abnormal and finished all three asura colleges, created an army of steampunk robots and somehow united six xenophobic antagonist races into one fiction
22:31.18NeonPandaso an average MMO PC?
22:31.38ImpyDroid...Dammit I never thought of it that way
22:31.47ImpyDroidEvery once in a while we had to deal with one of her alliances
22:31.56ImpyDroidThe first one was Flame Legion charr + dredge
22:32.14ImpyDroidBasically dredge with lava drills and charr in burning steampunk suit
22:32.16ImpyDroidsuits
22:32.26ImpyDroidThen were Inquest + human bandits
22:32.32ImpyDroidBasically steampunk pirates
22:32.42NeonPandaI've run into most of the factions
22:32.58ImpyDroidYeah but these were alliances of these factions
22:33.17NeonPandajust saying you don't have to explain what each faction is, is all
22:33.22ImpyDroidANet basically took random enemies and mashed them together
22:33.32ImpyDroidI am describing the alliances not the individual races
22:33.41ImpyDroidAnd finally we had Nightmare Court + kraft
22:33.44ImpyDroid*krait
22:33.56ImpyDroidWhich I think still sometimes pop up as a single entity
22:34.01ImpyDroidToxic Alliance
22:34.36ImpyDroidIt was actually kind of cool, there was a giant tower filled with monsters, with the final boss being a giant krait-sylvari hybrid
22:34.45NeonPandawhenever I hear Toxic Alliance I just think the League of Legends community
22:35.58ImpyDroidBut it was the Molten Alliance that had flaming Russians
22:37.03ImpyDroidNeonPanda: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Champion_Toxic_Hybrid.jpg Behold, the tree snek
22:37.26NeonPandaI was expecting plant lamia, I am disappoint
22:38.04ImpyDroidIn a leaf bikini?
22:38.31Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-2bvStPNWc Pelagrios and Riad
22:39.09ImpyDroidThen finally these three got together and we had that crazy invasion of Lion's Arch
22:39.24ImpyDroidWhich was actually destroyed for a year
22:39.48ImpyDroidScarlet's own minions though
22:40.02ImpyDroidOutside of her alliances she had her own clockwork robots basically
22:40.27ImpyDroidOf which the strongest ones were fucking naked  robot women with metal tits
22:41.41NeonPandaI see no problem here
22:43.17ImpyDroidNeonPanda: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Legendary_Green_Synergetic_Assault_Knight.jpg Behold
22:43.38NeonPandayep, no problems here
22:43.50NeonPandaI mean it's creepy robot woman rather than sexy robot woman, but still
22:43.52ImpyDroidOh and it ended with a lesbian kiss
22:43.56ImpyDroidSeriously
22:44.41ImpyDroidAnd these fembots weren't even the largest ones
22:44.50ImpyDroidhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Twisted_Marionette.jpg Behold
22:45.44ImpyDroidThis one was triple trouble-level
22:45.44ImpyDroidYou actually had to fight her indirectly by damaging the chains which held her
22:45.55XhoHachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFS1TIAtvYw Hachi and Nu
22:46.05ImpyDroidAlso she was bug
22:46.05ImpyDroidLike https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Human,_Twisted_Marionette_and_The_Breachmaker_size_comparison.jpg That big
22:46.10ImpyDroid> Hachiman might be interested
22:46.17dromXho: Oh nice picture!
22:46.34HachimanWhat's this?
22:46.39dromXho: Looks like a normal summer day in Sweden indeed.
22:47.11Xhovideo dam u
22:47.45NeonPandaoh also Imp, why do I keep seeing people with glowing hands?
22:50.49XhoHachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJG4aEtKeUw new franku
22:51.29HachimanSaw that
22:51.33Hachimantwas entertaining
22:52.54Xho"THERE'S GONNA BE A BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGON"
22:57.48Xho"ey pikachu deez nuts mang"
22:59.50Hachimanhur
23:05.31ImpyDroidHachiman: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Twisted_Marionette.jpg
23:05.40ImpyDroidand https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Human,_Twisted_Marionette_and_The_Breachmaker_size_comparison.jpg
23:06.00Hachiman>boob plate
23:06.27NeonPandaquite literally in this case
23:07.09MonetThe position of that sword is...kinda...
23:07.17MonetAwkward.
23:09.09Wormy_Does anyone here listen to a great deal of piano songs
23:10.55Wormy_There's this one that keeps coming back into my head,it is somewhat dramatic, melancholical yet thoughtful at the same time.  It goes "nuh naah, nuh naah, nuh naah,, nuh, nuh, nun nuuh nuuh"
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23:11.22Wormy_I am literally having to result to that level of search as this earworm is driving my insane
23:11.39MonetDo you recall where you may have heard it
23:11.40CyrannianI came up with the Jaws theme when I read that out
23:11.58HachimanFucking kek
23:12.09Wormy_I can see how you did that now
23:12.44Wormy_Monet:  its ne of them ones you just hear time to time, maybe the type on funeral insurance adverts
23:12.57HachimanWormy_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_RvSzStK9k Listen to this to get it out of your head
23:13.28Wormy_Thats actually quite listenable
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23:42.03ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: http://i.4cdn.org/d/1468284924570.jpg "it's not like ayy lmao you or anything... ...s-stupid earthling"
23:42.45OluapPlayerYou browsing /d/ now
23:42.50OluapPlayergirls with dongs
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