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| 01:13.35 | DrodoEmpire | *you're |
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| 04:36.15 | DrodoEmpire | Sleepy but good |
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| 04:37.16 | DrodoEmpire | Good good |
| 04:40.50 | Quark8 | I do feel pretty ignorant at the moment, though. |
| 04:41.38 | Quark8 | Considering I was completely unaware of the military coup and military junta in Thailand. |
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| 12:30.45 | Treebeard|Away | Xho Groxkiller98 ImpyDroid: Hello |
| 12:30.51 | ImpyDroid | ih |
| 12:30.54 | Xho | ih |
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| 12:50.49 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 12:51.31 | ImpyDroid | Monet: https://imgur.com/LSxwyXm.jpg |
| 12:53.26 | Groxkiller98_ | XD |
| 12:53.55 | Monet | Said Dave the Killer Sheep |
| 12:54.10 | Groxkiller98 | I didn't realise I had an underscore in my name. T_T |
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| 13:09.11 | Wormy_ | The funny conversations you get between rationalists, especially iconoclastic ones https://twitter.com/DavidDeutschOxf/status/751568956964605952 |
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| 13:10.10 | Xho | ups |
| 13:10.14 | OluapPlayer | ngah |
| 13:10.24 | Xho | y u do dis |
| 13:10.34 | OluapPlayer | cus u |
| 13:10.50 | Xho | :c |
| 13:18.24 | Wormy_ | I'm having trouble working out if this is real https://www.thevintagenews.com/2015/10/28/seen-this-soviet-ekranoplan-aircraft-carrier/?utm_source=revcontent&utm_medium=referral&utm_term=none |
| 13:18.28 | Wormy_ | Aircraftception |
| 13:21.24 | Monet | I think it's one of those failed Russian engineering experiments. |
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| 13:22.09 | Monet | One of the projects that never got off the ground. |
| 13:22.35 | Groxkiller98 | I still want to know why a Russian submarine was in British waters. |
| 13:23.36 | Monet | Recently you mean? |
| 13:23.50 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah. |
| 13:24.04 | Groxkiller98 | It happened a couple of weeks ago, I think. |
| 13:24.14 | Groxkiller98 | I don't remember the exact date. |
| 13:24.28 | Groxkiller98 | And I never heard the reason. |
| 13:24.34 | Monet | Russian submarines being in waters they shouldn't be in isn't new. |
| 13:25.19 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah, but this was my waters. >_> |
| 13:26.14 | Groxkiller98 | I'm upset with Russia to say the least. |
| 13:27.15 | Charles_Bot | Groxkiller98: do you want the short or the long explanation? |
| 13:27.40 | Groxkiller98 | Uhm. Short. |
| 13:27.40 | Charles_Bot | < Political science student who has studied Russia in depth |
| 13:28.12 | Monet | This'll be interesting |
| 13:28.39 | Groxkiller98 | Shush, you. |
| 13:28.46 | Groxkiller98 | :P |
| 13:29.03 | Monet | I'm British too. |
| 13:29.27 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah? |
| 13:30.15 | Charles_Bot | Basically, tensions between the West and Russia have been rising over a number of issues over the past decade or so, including the 1999 NATO intervention in Kosovo, the invasion of Iraq, the expansion of NATO to Russia's eastern frontier (after the Americans said they wouldn't expand it), and the Ukraine issue, stand out among all of these |
| 13:30.58 | Monet | And msot recently NATO has deployed US, UK and German troops to bolster the Polish-Russian border. |
| 13:31.14 | Groxkiller98 | And that's a reason for having a submarine in our boarders why? |
| 13:31.14 | Charles_Bot | Shush, that's a bit play in a much larger story |
| 13:31.24 | Charles_Bot | Shush, I'm getting to that |
| 13:31.29 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 13:33.23 | Charles_Bot | And as American power and primacy declines relative to other regions of the globe thanks in part to the rise of BRICS, the shattering of illusions about American power after the invasion of Iraq, and America's current retrenchment mood, there has been room for countries to reassert themselves in their own backyards where previously they were blocked out by |
| 13:33.23 | Charles_Bot | American influence |
| 13:33.56 | Xho | Groxkiller98: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/96/Mithadorn_Angazhar_Cultist.png/revision/latest?cb=20160709133339 |
| 13:34.37 | Groxkiller98 | So... Russia are just trying to be bullies? |
| 13:35.11 | Monet | A bit of a loaded description but...kinda. |
| 13:35.22 | Groxkiller98 | :| |
| 13:35.30 | Charles_Bot | Not really |
| 13:36.13 | Monet | Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a panic reaction to the recent election of an administration that didn't look on Russians very favourably. |
| 13:36.21 | Charles_Bot | Not really |
| 13:37.01 | Charles_Bot | What Russia is essentially trying to do through these actions, whether it's skirting the airspaces of Turkey, the Baltic states, Albania, playing chicken with American destroyers in the Baltics and the Black Sea, is on one hand to try and push back against American influence, on another to point out to neutral parties and its own public the extent of |
| 13:37.01 | Charles_Bot | American influence, reach, and meddling. But the actual play is this: |
| 13:41.01 | Charles_Bot | Russia is trying to poke as many holes in the western order as possible, because the more disorganized the west is, better able it is to project power into Eastern Europe and make itself felt as a global actor (I.e., make Russia great again). One of its major moves in this is to push the envelope as much as possible, to violate airspaces and sovereignty, to |
| 13:41.01 | Charles_Bot | either: a) show the inability of NATO and its members to defend themselves and their allies against Russia and 2) to force a member to call on Article 5 of the NATO treaty over a small violation, betting that America will not step in, thus also demonstrating the ineptitude of NATO. |
| 13:41.18 | Charles_Bot | That includes submarine actions in national waters |
| 13:41.23 | Charles_Bot | There |
| 13:41.36 | Groxkiller98 | ... |
| 13:42.23 | Groxkiller98 | I'm going to go ask our secretary of defence if using nukular weapons is an overreaction now. |
| 13:42.38 | Groxkiller98 | jk |
| 13:42.49 | Groxkiller98 | But still, global politics are stupid... |
| 13:43.09 | Groxkiller98 | Can't we all just get along, unify, and go conquer space instead? |
| 13:43.31 | Groxkiller98 | Like Spore! *Activates Conclusion* |
| 13:43.59 | Wormy_ | Go become a supervillain and design a Conclusion |
| 13:44.01 | Monet | We might if everyone on the planet shared a single agenda. |
| 13:44.22 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 13:45.01 | Charles_Bot | Not really? Generally those who bemoan the fact that we don't get along and that it's silly and childish are generally those most advantaged by the status quo |
| 13:45.45 | Charles_Bot | This is a Russia which feels itself so disadvantaged, so driven into the ground by the American-led world that it actually looks back fondly on its time as the USSR |
| 13:46.17 | Ghelae | If you want everyone to have the same priorities, like unifying our species and going to space, it's not Conclusion you want to design, it's Fanatical Uprising. |
| 13:46.28 | Groxkiller98 | :D |
| 13:46.39 | Charles_Bot | There are very real reasons, very human and visceral reasons as to why countries act this way. |
| 13:46.55 | Groxkiller98 | Greed? |
| 13:47.03 | Monet | Russia, like every rich nation with a long and proud history, doesn't want to feel irrelevant. |
| 13:47.15 | Charles_Bot | 3:45 PM <Charles_Bot> This is a Russia which feels itself so disadvantaged, so driven into the ground by the American-led world that it actually looks back fondly on its time as the USSR |
| 13:47.39 | OluapPlayer | Go Gravitation Wave or go home |
| 13:47.54 | Monet | The past 28 years has seen Russia go from being one of the great superpowers of the world to being "just...there". |
| 13:48.41 | Groxkiller98 | That happens to every superpower. Aside from America. :| |
| 13:48.47 | Monet | For its leadership and those who remember a time people were interested in the Soviet Union, being simply there is horrible. |
| 13:48.57 | Groxkiller98 | I would have loved to see the British Empire in it's prime. |
| 13:49.05 | Monet | No one wants to feel irrelevant - its human nature. |
| 13:50.16 | Charles_Bot | Kind of, but it's no UK or France. France and the U.K. are upset about their loss of influence, but they still find limited (and diminishing) fulfillment in the status quo. Russia? Not so much. |
| 13:52.19 | Monet | Regarding the bully analogy though, I understand that very few bullies do it purely because they're thugs who want to be feared. What often happens is bullies need a release from pressures at home |
| 13:53.47 | Monet | Which can be all sorts of things like living in a failing marriage, divorce, parental aggression, high expectations of the child, peer pressure, a low standard of living, a feeling of lacking personal fulfilment etc. |
| 13:54.16 | Monet | Or general personal insecurity. |
| 13:55.52 | ImpyDroid | We can still destroy the world in a few hours |
| 13:56.04 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 13:56.11 | Charles_Bot | ^ |
| 13:56.12 | Groxkiller98 | All of us could. |
| 13:56.27 | Groxkiller98 | Most northern nations have enough nukes to wipe out humanity. |
| 13:57.13 | Charles_Bot | Er no |
| 13:57.22 | Charles_Bot | Only the US and Russia have that ability |
| 13:57.25 | Groxkiller98 | Combined, yes. |
| 13:57.39 | Groxkiller98 | If all of Europe decided to launch their collective nukes. |
| 13:57.43 | Groxkiller98 | Or maybe China. |
| 13:57.46 | Monet | When it comes to tackling great social issues issues, focusing on combating the symptoms is a fairly ineffective way of doing things. |
| 13:58.00 | Charles_Bot | >All of the European nations |
| 13:58.16 | Charles_Bot | >Only France and the UK have nukes |
| 13:58.22 | Groxkiller98 | True. |
| 13:58.23 | Monet | Was going ot say |
| 13:58.30 | ImpyDroid | As for bullying, it is more or less a matter of Russia being afraid to be subsumed and our government to be overthrown |
| 13:58.50 | ImpyDroid | I doubt anyone with a sane mind in Russia actually wants an all out war |
| 13:59.10 | ImpyDroid | Though people with sane minds in Russia are not numerous |
| 13:59.16 | Charles_Bot | And their arsenals are strategically sufficient for nuclear deterrence, but not for strategic domination over all nuclear actors. Only Russia and the US have that. |
| 13:59.31 | Charles_Bot | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons |
| 13:59.39 | ImpyDroid | I mean if there was a war we would win |
| 13:59.41 | Charles_Bot | You can compare them for yourself there ^ |
| 13:59.42 | ImpyDroid | OBVIOUSLY |
| 13:59.50 | ImpyDroid | But the cost would be too high |
| 14:00.12 | ImpyDroid | Our economies are too interconnected now |
| 14:00.30 | Monet | Even combined, France and the UK only have a few hundred nukes. Compared to the couple of thousand the US and Russia each have. |
| 14:01.08 | Groxkiller98 | This world is a horrible place. |
| 14:01.30 | Charles_Bot | ~300 (France) to ~6,000 (US) |
| 14:01.30 | infobot | ACTION throws (France) to ~6,000 (US) down a well for making yet another 300 joke. |
| 14:01.46 | Charles_Bot | Wait, whips |
| 14:01.49 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 14:01.49 | Charles_Bot | Whoops |
| 14:02.16 | Charles_Bot | I meant ~1,700 for the US |
| 14:02.25 | Charles_Bot | Wait no |
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| 14:02.30 | Charles_Bot | Damnit |
| 14:02.36 | Charles_Bot | That's the active number |
| 14:02.42 | Charles_Bot | Total is 6,000 |
| 14:04.30 | Charles_Bot | We compare the world to unrealistic fantasies that we tell ourselves |
| 14:04.38 | Charles_Bot | Of course it looks horrible by comparison |
| 14:05.01 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.19 | Groxkiller98 | I live in Derby. >_> |
| 14:05.30 | Monet | The World isn't nice. Never has been. |
| 14:05.31 | Groxkiller98 | So, I don't think I'm close enough to try. |
| 14:06.08 | Charles_Bot | Of course it is |
| 14:06.13 | Charles_Bot | It's awesome |
| 14:06.19 | Charles_Bot | It's never been better |
| 14:06.24 | ImpyDroid | The world is a horrible place but we are still quite well off |
| 14:06.37 | ImpyDroid | We all live in very well-off palaces |
| 14:06.40 | ImpyDroid | *places |
| 14:06.52 | ImpyDroid | CHECK OUR PRIVILEGES, shall we |
| 14:07.07 | Groxkiller98 | Xho: *Pokes* |
| 14:07.22 | Charles_Bot | Everywhere people are living longer, healthier lives. War deaths and deaths by violence are lower than at any other time in history |
| 14:08.01 | ImpyDroid | That too |
| 14:08.26 | ImpyDroid | Life sucks but there are other places and other eras when it sucked more |
| 14:08.29 | Charles_Bot | We have systems, laws, and organizations which mean something and allow us to work through our differences without resorting to violence |
| 14:08.49 | Charles_Bot | Even nuclear weapons have served this purpose |
| 14:08.54 | Charles_Bot | Again |
| 14:09.33 | Monet | No leader wants to be remembered as the man/woman who ruined the world. |
| 14:09.40 | Charles_Bot | The world seems like shit because we have unrealistic fantasies about what it should look like. The reality is complex, frustrating, oh so very meta, and hard to understand and very easy to misperceive |
| 14:10.27 | Monet | I can't take Star Trek's vision of the future very seriously anymore. |
| 14:10.42 | Groxkiller98 | Haven't ever really watched it. |
| 14:12.06 | Charles_Bot | The world is awesome, and it's coming apart because nobody believes in it anymore. |
| 14:14.18 | Monet | The public have become complacent over democracy. |
| 14:15.12 | Groxkiller98 | Nah. We're just hard to please, no matter what. |
| 14:16.27 | Wormy_ | Or maybe the myths of global society and and Western influence has become more transparent, like you say the world is complex and people are waking up the the simplistic good vs. evil narratives politicians have swilled. Then optimism of the 20th century died, they opted to scare us all |
| 14:16.32 | Monet | People in the past fought hard for democratic privileges we today take for granted. |
| 14:18.23 | Monet | Common people having the right to vote, blacks having the right, women having the right, the guarantee of anonymity with who you vote for, the guarantee your vote will not be edited, it's taken for granted now. |
| 14:18.26 | Wormy_ | But people are also incredibly unsatisfied with democracy |
| 14:19.02 | Wormy_ | Not only the political institutions, but there are anti-democratic cries under a leftist guise from the young generation all the time |
| 14:19.50 | Charles_Bot | Wormy_ The myths of that underpin the international order are becoming harder and harder to believe for populations who feel themselves disadvantaged in this moment in time, so publics are turning to alternative myths. |
| 14:20.07 | Wormy_ | I agree |
| 14:21.24 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c598kuusepk |
| 14:22.04 | Wormy_ | There's actually a theory that the world might break back up into neomedieval city states and networks. |
| 14:23.13 | Groxkiller98 | Is Xho AFK? |
| 14:23.15 | Charles_Bot | That's a bit silly |
| 14:23.23 | Monet | Is this supposed to be a good thing or bad thing to those saying it? |
| 14:23.42 | Wormy_ | Neutral |
| 14:24.29 | Wormy_ | I don't know whether thats true or not, but my feeling is that the attraction is there. The rise of far right powers on Europe and ISIS in Iraq and Syria, possible breakup of the EU, the United Kingdom possibly turning back to Anglo Saxon kingdoms |
| 14:24.57 | Monet | I doubt it'll be worldwide |
| 14:25.02 | Wormy_ | Populists who spout isolationist policies |
| 14:25.11 | Monet | We'll lose far too much doing that. |
| 14:25.36 | Wormy_ | But these ideas spread, and yes they do morph considering what culture you are in, but it inspires similar causes across the world |
| 14:25.50 | Wormy_ | People don't think logically # |
| 14:26.47 | Wormy_ | https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22329850-600-end-of-nations-is-there-an-alternative-to-countries/ |
| 14:27.01 | Charles_Bot | >.< |
| 14:27.40 | Wormy_ | https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22329851-500-in-our-world-beyond-nations-the-future-is-medieval/ |
| 14:27.51 | Wormy_ | You'll probably tear it apart as a political scientist |
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| 14:28.13 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 14:28.16 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 14:28.41 | Monet | Hi |
| 14:29.05 | Monet | If nations do dissolve, its possible corporate loyalty might take its place. |
| 14:29.11 | Groxkiller98 | This looks like the grim, dark future of the 41st millennium... But on Earth entirely. |
| 14:29.42 | Monet | Silicon Valley would disintegrate in this neo-medieval vision. |
| 14:29.53 | Wormy_ | The concept that we have of a nation state is likely to change |
| 14:30.07 | Charles_Bot | Yeah... If you want actual political theory, I recommend cracking open Foreign Affairs or any number of international relations, foreign policy, political science, comparative politics, etc, journals and publications |
| 14:31.00 | Wormy_ | Newscientist isn't that bad actually, and it has lists of references at the bottom from the author who wrote/based it on something |
| 14:32.04 | Monet | I think what this article does touch on is the media-provided illusion that "what is always was" |
| 14:32.46 | Charles_Bot | I don't see references? |
| 14:32.50 | Hachiman | Xho Monet ImpyDroid: So I read an article today stating that Valyrian steel was produced by forging stuff with dragon fire; the swords of the Iron Throne were regular blades that were fused together by use of dragon fire, and the Others / White Walkers are vulnerable exclusively to dragonglass and Valyrian steel |
| 14:33.15 | Charles_Bot | And again, the idea that the world is coming apart that dramatically is laughable |
| 14:33.26 | Hachiman | Disassemble the Iron Throne and you have 1,000 swords capable of being wielded to challenge the White Walkers |
| 14:33.47 | ImpyDroid | Literally killing demons with a chair |
| 14:33.56 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 14:34.33 | Groxkiller98 | Why not do that? |
| 14:34.47 | Hachiman | Because most non-northern folk do not believe in the White Walkers |
| 14:34.52 | Hachiman | Or have no knowledge of their return |
| 14:34.56 | Wormy_ | Charles: Alright, that article doesn't appear to have any, though many do on the site/magazine. However, its still well linked to many theorists |
| 14:35.00 | Groxkiller98 | Also, Xho made me something that won't load in Spore. :| I can't get back to him about it |
| 14:35.07 | Monet | And that chair is ancient, part of the cultural fabric of Westeros. |
| 14:35.10 | Hachiman | Plus, the Iron Throne is VERY significant to the Seven Kingdoms |
| 14:35.10 | ImpyDroid | Also that chair is kind of big |
| 14:35.20 | ImpyDroid | It will be very difficult to actually disassemble it |
| 14:35.48 | ImpyDroid | Also aren't IT chairs like whacked into shape |
| 14:35.55 | ImpyDroid | Of a throne |
| 14:35.59 | ImpyDroid | *IT swords |
| 14:36.06 | Monet | Arguing that the Iron Throne should be melted down is like arguing the Crown Jewels should be melted down to make phones and drillheads. |
| 14:36.15 | ImpyDroid | It'd be difficult to actually make them usable again |
| 14:36.27 | Hachiman | Daenerys does have a trio of dragons however, so new Valyrian steel weapons could be produced if she was smart - which she is not |
| 14:36.34 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: The book iron chair is actually larger right |
| 14:36.44 | ImpyDroid | Like the TV iron chair is tiny |
| 14:36.46 | Hachiman | It is quite a fair bit bigger in the book yes |
| 14:36.49 | ImpyDroid | Like a normal chair |
| 14:37.11 | ImpyDroid | While the book chair is like a small hill or something |
| 14:37.28 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 14:37.28 | ImpyDroid | > It is quite a fair bit bigger in the book yes |
| 14:37.30 | Monet | I can understand the artistic change. |
| 14:37.37 | ImpyDroid | Wait that sentence kind of sounded snooty |
| 14:37.45 | Hachiman | Oh come on |
| 14:37.45 | ImpyDroid | Since when are you snooty |
| 14:37.48 | ImpyDroid | hur |
| 14:38.00 | Hachiman | I probably get it from you |
| 14:38.20 | Monet | Try framing someone sitting imposingly on a throne the size of a small hill. |
| 14:38.37 | Hachiman | Monet: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/0/0a/Marc_Simonetti_Bran_theironthroneJoffCloseup.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140926192532 |
| 14:38.48 | ImpyDroid | That thing yes |
| 14:38.54 | ImpyDroid | I saw that pic once |
| 14:39.17 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Wait actually am I really snooty |
| 14:39.25 | Hachiman | Yes |
| 14:39.25 | Monet | Hachiman: Fair enough, though the actor's expression is hard to see. |
| 14:39.29 | ImpyDroid | I mean I normally like speak in Buffy speak |
| 14:39.44 | ImpyDroid | I generally cannot even form coherent sentences |
| 14:40.11 | ImpyDroid | Never thought I sounded arrogant or snooty or anything |
| 14:41.19 | ImpyDroid | Do I? |
| 14:41.35 | Hachiman | Is it important? |
| 14:41.47 | OluapPlayer | Get on the pad |
| 14:41.55 | Hachiman | I said in a bit |
| 14:41.55 | ImpyDroid | I actually tend to lower the snootiness when I can |
| 14:42.01 | Monet | I don't think so. Then again I'm prone to sounding arrogant myself. |
| 14:42.12 | OluapPlayer | a bit |
| 14:42.13 | OluapPlayer | Sure |
| 14:42.13 | ImpyDroid | I even ask people about things that I actually already know |
| 14:42.16 | OluapPlayer | A bit has passed |
| 14:42.34 | ImpyDroid | Well it is kind of important |
| 14:43.10 | Hachiman | Don't rush me because I still got stuff to do |
| 14:43.15 | ImpyDroid | If I actually make you sound so snooty because I am as snooty it is important |
| 14:43.29 | OluapPlayer | Don't tell me you're free then |
| 14:43.44 | Monet | OluapPLayer: When a brit says 'in a bit' he means "I'm busy but I'll tell you when I'm ready." |
| 14:44.06 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 14:44.08 | Wormy_ | Charles_Bot: I think the article is more about questioning the nation state as necessary or the most stable social structure, and whether modern pressures just as global economics. The titles chosen by Newscientist are often badly chosen. |
| 14:44.09 | OluapPlayer | Brits should learn to inform people better then |
| 14:44.27 | OluapPlayer | "a bit" to be is 5 minutes or less |
| 14:44.31 | OluapPlayer | me* |
| 14:44.59 | Monet | For Brits that counts as "in a minute" |
| 14:45.05 | Wormy_ | Its asking could the nation state model collapse, not so much prophesying "it will" |
| 14:45.23 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 14:45.37 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_: Well |
| 14:45.44 | ImpyDroid | I think it is stronger than before |
| 14:47.23 | ImpyDroid | So guys |
| 14:47.35 | ImpyDroid | do I actually sound arrogant |
| 14:47.41 | Monet | Nah. |
| 14:47.51 | ImpyDroid | Or snobby |
| 14:49.03 | Monet | Not really |
| 14:49.50 | Monet | Though personally if someone says something I already know I'll try and respond with a comment that shows I know. |
| 14:51.29 | Monet | Unless I'm having a rough day I myself try to avoid saying 'I already know' or 'you don't need to tell me.' When I'm frustrated or stressed is another matter for biological reasons. |
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| 15:02.36 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 15:05.19 | Xho | right I'm back |
| 15:05.44 | Groxkiller98 | WB |
| 15:05.46 | Groxkiller98 | At last. :P |
| 15:06.06 | Groxkiller98 | Should have said you were going AFK. |
| 15:07.44 | Xho | Wasn't really planned |
| 15:08.03 | Xho | I should really do some fiction or something |
| 15:08.45 | Groxkiller98 | I've been trying to get to you. |
| 15:08.58 | Groxkiller98 | The cultist outfit you made isn't working with my Spore game. |
| 15:09.10 | Groxkiller98 | Are you using a different version of DI by chance? Was there an update? |
| 15:09.11 | Monet | Could be Xho used Dar kInjection |
| 15:09.21 | Groxkiller98 | I have Dark Injection installed. |
| 15:09.35 | Monet | Might depend on the version then |
| 15:10.48 | Xho | I'm using the current version |
| 15:13.36 | Groxkiller98 | I'll have to check for an update. |
| 15:14.06 | Groxkiller98 | What version is current? |
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| 15:14.47 | Groxkiller98 | 9.r? |
| 15:18.21 | Groxkiller98 | Time to break my game. XD |
| 15:18.25 | Xho | Dunno really |
| 15:18.31 | Xho | It's been a while since I downloaded it |
| 15:20.32 | Groxkiller98 | I think I'm on the latest version already. :| |
| 15:20.38 | Wormy_ | Monet: Chris Froome wins us yet another tour |
| 15:20.39 | Groxkiller98 | So I don't know what else could be wrong. |
| 15:20.41 | Wormy_ | stage |
| 15:21.24 | Wormy_ | its getting to the point where we are expected to win at this point |
| 15:22.15 | Monet | Nice |
| 15:22.46 | Monet | Speaking of fiction I got wondering...WoA and Borealis War reboots aside, what about mroe fiction that's pre-2760? |
| 15:23.05 | ImpyDroid | hm |
| 15:23.15 | ImpyDroid | Wait you mean Fog War? |
| 15:23.57 | OluapPlayer | Borealis War is also getting rebooted, but it's the lowest on my priority list |
| 15:24.11 | OluapPlayer | I have plenty more things to never get done |
| 15:24.42 | Xho | Nu - the vanilla ice is still in the fridge |
| 15:25.57 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah, I'm already on the current version of Dark Injection. So I'm not sure what's wrong. :| |
| 15:26.09 | Monet | What I mean is since time in different galaxies is flowing differently ,why restrict ourselves to linear time? |
| 15:26.44 | Groxkiller98 | Have the Xhodocto press the reset button again? :P |
| 15:26.48 | Xho | Well I don't know either then tbh |
| 15:27.00 | Groxkiller98 | Did you use any other mods? |
| 15:27.12 | Monet | Our empires are so old, and some friendships so longstanding, why keep stories to anytihng after or long long before 2760? |
| 15:27.39 | Xho | Groxkiller98: Not to my knowledge no |
| 15:27.45 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: Hunting for Xeelee https://www.newscientist.com/article/2095785-impossible-vanishing-stars-could-be-signs-of-advanced-alien-life/ |
| 15:27.49 | Groxkiller98 | Could always have current history become ancient and skip forward a few thousand years? |
| 15:27.52 | OluapPlayer | Go back to when alliances meant something |
| 15:28.06 | Xho | I know there's two separate versions of DI, one which uses infinite complexity and one that doesn't |
| 15:28.10 | Groxkiller98 | Hm. Maybe my mod is missing a file or two? |
| 15:28.12 | Xho | I'm using the infinite complexity one |
| 15:28.22 | Groxkiller98 | I might not be... |
| 15:28.38 | Groxkiller98 | That's probably why. |
| 15:29.27 | Groxkiller98 | My internet is also slow... So I might have it download over dinner. Going to finally watch Warcraft: The Beginning today. |
| 15:30.21 | Groxkiller98 | I like the idea of seeing the fictionverse in something like 30,500. See how the Gigaqudrant evolved. |
| 15:30.28 | Xho | I need to get back into doing Storm Chaser |
| 15:30.40 | Groxkiller98 | Maybe have the Dominion and the rest of the universe in a stalemate? |
| 15:30.43 | OluapPlayer | You just stopped doing it all the sudden |
| 15:30.51 | OluapPlayer | I was wondering whether you forgot it existed |
| 15:31.14 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Mainly because I got distracted by TF2 because I'm a horrible individual |
| 15:31.25 | Xho | But it's still on my list |
| 15:31.35 | OluapPlayer | I'm mad at TF2's newest update |
| 15:31.58 | Groxkiller98 | I don't play TF2 |
| 15:31.58 | Xho | Can't say I like it either but I'm all for voting for a class update |
| 15:32.02 | OluapPlayer | In case you didn't check yet, there is a Heavy vs Pyro war going on |
| 15:32.19 | Groxkiller98 | Poor Heavy, |
| 15:32.22 | Xho | I don't like the new system for matchmaking |
| 15:32.27 | OluapPlayer | You know, a Pyro vs Pyro's hard counter who is also the most popular character in the game |
| 15:32.41 | OluapPlayer | This is stupidly unfair |
| 15:32.59 | Charles_Bot | When alliances meant something? |
| 15:33.00 | Groxkiller98 | Heavy's are gonna be harassed for a while... |
| 15:33.17 | OluapPlayer | Heavies destroy Pyros |
| 15:33.25 | OluapPlayer | And win by popularity alone |
| 15:33.34 | Xho | I chose Pyro over Heavy because I like Pyro more |
| 15:33.38 | Xho | Also I'm useless with Heavy |
| 15:33.56 | Groxkiller98 | Fire! Fire is amazing! :D |
| 15:34.01 | OluapPlayer | Pyro was the only class I could claim to be half-competent with |
| 15:34.06 | Charles_Bot | Spy all the way |
| 15:34.11 | OluapPlayer | But I don't play the game anymore so bollocks to all of it |
| 15:34.22 | Xho | I hate Spy |
| 15:34.33 | OluapPlayer | spoi zombies |
| 15:34.44 | Xho | The class I'm best with is Soldier |
| 15:34.57 | Charles_Bot | I'm fantastic at spy |
| 15:35.16 | Groxkiller98 | SPAHS! |
| 15:35.27 | Xho | Competent with Demoman and Pyro as well but the rest not so much |
| 15:35.41 | Charles_Bot | THAT SENTRY IS A SPY |
| 15:35.45 | OluapPlayer | Demoman is easy to play |
| 15:35.52 | Groxkiller98 | I don't even play. I just watch Muselk on YouTube. |
| 15:35.55 | OluapPlayer | Fire stickies, explode stickies, die to Scout, repeat |
| 15:36.06 | Xho | Demoknight because suicide tactics pls |
| 15:36.19 | Xho | I find Spy and Medic the hardest to play as |
| 15:36.42 | OluapPlayer | Hardest thing about Medic is the enemy will focus fire on you |
| 15:36.47 | OluapPlayer | Other than that you just click on people |
| 15:36.57 | Xho | Although all in all its luck of the players you go against on most servers |
| 15:37.17 | OluapPlayer | Every time |
| 15:37.20 | Xho | Some games I usually kill twice as many times as I die and some other games not so much |
| 15:37.35 | OluapPlayer | Enemy Spy = crawls out of the earth to kill you Your Spies = there are 4 of them and they're all idiots |
| 15:37.41 | Xho | Pretty much |
| 15:37.51 | Xho | I don't come across competent Spy players though |
| 15:37.56 | Xho | Haven't done for ages |
| 15:38.15 | Xho | One server I was playing the Spy was obvious even when disguised |
| 15:38.24 | OluapPlayer | There aren't a lot, but when you find one, they're a nightmare to deal with |
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| 15:39.12 | Xho | I'm usually good with Anti-Spy because I hate Spy enough to shoot every team member |
| 15:39.25 | OluapPlayer | foyiah |
| 15:39.45 | Xho | Mostly a barage of Soldier rockets from me kek |
| 15:39.53 | Groxkiller98 | Spies = Butt rape = D: |
| 15:39.59 | Xho | I like using the Original because of the general accuracy of it |
| 15:40.07 | OluapPlayer | I got good with Pyro more or less because I wanted to get rid of Spies and the class stuck with me |
| 15:40.12 | OluapPlayer | Never got good with airblast though |
| 15:40.23 | OluapPlayer | Bad aim + latency = eugh |
| 15:40.32 | Xho | w+m1 ftw |
| 15:40.45 | Monet | Groxkiller98: Don't know about going that far back but it's a possibility |
| 15:40.49 | OluapPlayer | if ur a vermin sure |
| 15:40.51 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 15:41.01 | Xho | I like Soldier because Soldier's capacity to clear areas is good |
| 15:41.21 | OluapPlayer | Soldier is the jack of all trades yeah |
| 15:41.42 | OluapPlayer | Verges on master of all if the Soldier is really good |
| 15:41.56 | OluapPlayer | High firepower, high HP, high mobility, no counters |
| 15:42.09 | Xho | I've come across extremely good Soldiers on some servers |
| 15:42.22 | Xho | The one thing I've never mastered is rocket jumping though |
| 15:43.12 | Groxkiller98 | Right, if my laptop explodes now... Blame Xho for making me update my Spore mods. |
| 15:43.16 | OluapPlayer | Almost feels bad discussing the game and how I used to play it but when I try to play nowadays I just get bored and close it in 5 minutes |
| 15:43.18 | Monet | Anyway I was playing darts with Trevor, some patron got aggressive and this happened http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/264967316457606284/7F0AEF9C7C9190438937EC944DF885EFF2F7F2A3/ |
| 15:44.02 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Well we should do multiplayer |
| 15:44.19 | OluapPlayer | game is meh |
| 15:44.41 | Groxkiller98 | I have TF2 installed on my laptop and have never touched it... |
| 15:45.27 | Groxkiller98 | Right... Let's see how badly I've just destroyed my Spore game. |
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| 15:46.32 | Xho | Since most of the TF2 players have gone to Overwatch most of the TF2 players aren't that good |
| 15:47.13 | OluapPlayer | Forgot to mention my HD got burned so I lost ~700 GB of files |
| 15:47.20 | OluapPlayer | Reinstalling my games will be long and painful |
| 15:47.27 | Xho | Jesus |
| 15:47.45 | OluapPlayer | Yes my PC nearly caught on fire last sunday |
| 15:47.50 | OluapPlayer | I only got it back today |
| 15:47.56 | Monet | Definitely old. |
| 15:49.11 | OluapPlayer | Lost all my Spore files |
| 15:49.13 | Groxkiller98 | Ouch. |
| 15:49.14 | OluapPlayer | does not expand dong |
| 15:49.19 | Monet | My CPU fan packed in last year and whenever I did something CPU intensive (like rendering) my CPU would get hot and the PC would shut itself off. |
| 15:49.55 | OluapPlayer | My problem wasn't the fan, it was parts breaking inside the cabinet and getting in contact with the metal, causing sparks |
| 15:50.07 | OluapPlayer | Ended up frying the HD |
| 15:50.16 | Xho | dong went inwards almost |
| 15:50.29 | OluapPlayer | dong retracted |
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| 15:51.20 | OluapPlayer | At least I always upload my PNG images to the wiki |
| 15:52.05 | Xho | twas gud thinkin' |
| 15:52.29 | Groxkiller98 | Xho, still can't load your cultist model. :| |
| 15:52.38 | OluapPlayer | world is saved except no everything is shit |
| 15:52.44 | Xho | Dunno what to suggest then |
| 15:53.12 | OluapPlayer | Try loading the creature directly into an editor |
| 15:53.50 | Groxkiller98 | I did. |
| 15:54.03 | Groxkiller98 | It's not in my Sporepedia, despite being in my Creatures folder. |
| 15:54.11 | Groxkiller98 | And I've tried drag-drop the Png. |
| 15:54.21 | Groxkiller98 | It simply states that the creation cannot be loaded, |
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| 15:57.30 | Cyrannian | Hello |
| 15:57.40 | Groxkiller98 | This is weird... :| |
| 15:57.41 | Monet | Hello |
| 15:57.43 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 15:57.59 | Monet | Groxkiller98: What about the Adventure creator? |
| 15:58.15 | Groxkiller98 | Adventure Creator? What about it? |
| 15:58.29 | Groxkiller98 | I don't have the creature in my Sporepedia to try load it. |
| 15:58.56 | Xho | Have you tried typing in the name of the creation |
| 15:59.39 | Groxkiller98 | Yes. |
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| 16:00.22 | Cyrannian | ~tickle OluapPlayer |
| 16:00.22 | infobot | ACTION jumps on OluapPlayer, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 16:00.32 | OluapPlayer | ~dropkick Cyrannian |
| 16:00.32 | infobot | ACTION sends Cyrannian flying like a yipping chihuahua |
| 16:00.55 | Xho | dropkek'd |
| 16:01.49 | Groxkiller98 | *Hides* |
| 16:03.38 | Groxkiller98 | I might have to uninstall my DI mod and reinstall 9.r... |
| 16:07.48 | Groxkiller98 | Time to try again. |
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| 16:08.20 | Groxkiller98 | Maybe it's something with the png? |
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| 16:12.45 | Xho | Might be |
| 16:12.56 | Groxkiller98 | I'm thinking it's something with the creature... :| |
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| 16:24.35 | Xho | OluapPlayer: "VOTE ON CYKA VÃDKA VOTE ON MPH MPH" |
| 16:24.45 | OluapPlayer | wat |
| 16:25.31 | Xho | TF2 |
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| 16:55.30 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 16:58.47 | Monet | Hello |
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| 17:18.42 | OluapPlayer | Fucking hell I can't catch a break |
| 17:21.54 | Cyrannian | Whoops, forgot about featured fictions. Any suggestions? |
| 17:24.56 | OluapPlayer | I've nothing |
| 17:29.28 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:July_2016:_Featured_Empire_Poll |
| 17:34.40 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:July_2016:_Featured_Captain_Poll |
| 17:37.39 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:July_2016:_Featured_Story_Poll |
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| 17:40.02 | ShamshiEmpire | Hello |
| 17:40.57 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 17:41.06 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:July_2016:_Featured_Creature_Poll |
| 17:42.27 | Cyrannian | dere, vote you suggestionless ninnies |
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| 17:53.44 | Monet | Hello |
| 17:58.40 | Xho | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13612325_1242739865749888_3030914296348051511_n.jpg?oh=6f6245cf27d8aece03715a50fc6c8d3f&oe=57F85816 |
| 17:59.17 | Xho | OluapPlayer: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13641148_1242627222427819_8165735019391257176_o.jpg OH GOD IT'S HAPPENING |
| 17:59.32 | OluapPlayer | oh dear |
| 18:03.55 | Cyrannian | She didn't even have the commitment to sever a few fingers, grow some claws and replace her feet. |
| 18:04.27 | OluapPlayer | Grabbing her own tail though, what a slut |
| 18:05.49 | Monet | We've had Slutty Cop, Slutty Ebola Nurse: here's Slutty Dinosaur maid! |
| 18:06.03 | Monet | Oh I get what she is now! |
| 18:06.10 | OluapPlayer | slowpoke |
| 18:06.12 | Monet | That's the Lusty Argonian Maid. |
| 18:06.37 | Cyrannian | Ooooh, I knew she was an Argonian, but it never occurred to me she was the maid hur |
| 18:06.40 | Monet | Well to be fair until two minutes ago I was in GTA. |
| 18:06.48 | OluapPlayer | Two slowpokes |
| 18:07.12 | Monet | Well it explains the human hands and feet. |
| 18:07.31 | Cyrannian | I have a mod that gives Argonians waptor feet |
| 18:07.33 | Charles_Murray | Monet Treebeard DrodoAway : This is nearing completion - http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AFrench_Empire#Commands |
| 18:07.42 | Xho | You should see the Argonians in Morrowind |
| 18:09.04 | Cyrannian | I think they look pretty cool in Morrowmind, before they became all deformed in Oblivion |
| 18:09.27 | Xho | OluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature%3AKicath/Kicathian_Language sausage overload |
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| 18:09.36 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 18:09.48 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 18:09.50 | Xho | Hi |
| 18:09.53 | OluapPlayer | Universe - speak normal u trash |
| 18:09.54 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 18:10.12 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 18:10.41 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 18:10.43 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 18:11.00 | *** part/#sporewiki Treebeard (52068dfd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.6.141.253) |
| 18:11.53 | Cyrannian | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/elderscrolls/images/0/01/Argonian_light_armor.png/revision/latest?cb=20140521184402 - I like their racial armour in TESO |
| 18:12.22 | Hachiman | TESO is trash tho |
| 18:12.50 | Monet | *was* trash |
| 18:12.54 | Monet | It's gotten better |
| 18:12.59 | Cyrannian | I think it's alright on console, though playing it just makes me want to play Skyrim |
| 18:13.30 | Monet | It's not perfect but it's not the train-wreck people burned on launch say it is. |
| 18:13.46 | AdmiralPanda | I still love the story of The Armourer's Challenge, and I think of it every time someone brings up Argonian armour |
| 18:15.56 | Cyrannian | Monet: What race/faction do you play as? |
| 18:16.06 | Monet | High Elf. |
| 18:16.24 | AdmiralPanda | also for the person who came in late, which title in the Elder Scrolls series are we primarily talking about? |
| 18:16.37 | OluapPlayer | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13641148_1242627222427819_8165735019391257176_o.jpg this |
| 18:16.54 | Monet | Cyrannian and I are talking about Online. |
| 18:17.16 | Monet | I mix up my race a little bit - I'm playing a woman. |
| 18:17.17 | AdmiralPanda | of course Oluap manages to find Lusty Argonian Maid cosplay |
| 18:18.28 | Cyrannian | I play as an Argonian in the Aldmeri Dominion |
| 18:18.41 | Xho | twas me u duncehead |
| 18:18.41 | OluapPlayer | Xho found it, I'm not a fan of TES |
| 18:18.44 | Xho | c |
| 18:18.48 | DrodoEmpire | Back |
| 18:18.59 | Cyrannian | I thought you play TES |
| 18:19.00 | Xho | y'all motherfuckers need sithis |
| 18:19.11 | Monet | [18:59:13] <Xho> OluapPlayer: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13641148_1242627222427819_8165735019391257176_o.jpg OH GOD IT'S HAPPENING |
| 18:19.26 | OluapPlayer | I played Skyrim but overall found it incredibly boring |
| 18:19.54 | Xho | It's true though, Skyrim isn't all that fun |
| 18:19.54 | AdmiralPanda | Skyrim was good fun, but I missed the more core RPG elements from Oblivio |
| 18:19.55 | AdmiralPanda | n |
| 18:19.58 | Cyrannian | Xho: TESO has a pretty good Dark Brotherhood dlc you may like, it's set in that city that was destroyed at the start of Oblivion |
| 18:20.07 | Xho | Hm |
| 18:20.39 | AdmiralPanda | why do I get the feeling waptor is trying to start a sporewiki argonian army |
| 18:20.49 | Monet | http://i.imgur.com/dvIva.jpg dose legs. |
| 18:20.55 | OluapPlayer | Dragon's Dogma best fantasy action RPG |
| 18:20.59 | OluapPlayer | yall mofos need grigori |
| 18:21.25 | Xho | *sithis |
| 18:21.26 | Monet | I don't know about anyone else but to me, those legs look out of proportion. |
| 18:21.53 | AdmiralPanda | they're in proportion for a frog but that's about it |
| 18:22.07 | OluapPlayer | "hhhehehe" |
| 18:22.08 | Monet | They look 3/5 leg. |
| 18:22.31 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: That might be the issue. As Frogs often have their legs folded. |
| 18:24.21 | Hachiman | Reminds me of my old Spore creatures |
| 18:24.24 | Cyrannian | http://img05.deviantart.net/9ec7/i/2011/188/f/a/oblivion_argonian_scar_tail_by_aixapredator93-d374v2w.jpg - better than this |
| 18:24.56 | AdmiralPanda | tbh though nobody looked pretty in Oblivion |
| 18:25.12 | Xho | Sheogorath did |
| 18:25.14 | Xho | <3 |
| 18:25.16 | Monet | An unfair comparison yeah. |
| 18:25.17 | Cyrannian | oho |
| 18:25.23 | AdmiralPanda | that's cos they made a custom race for him so he could have a beard |
| 18:25.32 | Xho | Female Sheogorath race go |
| 18:25.35 | AdmiralPanda | he looks fug without the beard |
| 18:25.46 | AdmiralPanda | female sheogorath race all have beards :P |
| 18:25.52 | AdmiralPanda | the race is literally imperial plus beard |
| 18:25.52 | Xho | exactly |
| 18:26.22 | Cyrannian | http://i.imgur.com/mcCyw.jpg - lovely stuff |
| 18:26.28 | OluapPlayer | "nutted but she still suckin" |
| 18:26.49 | OluapPlayer | dat double chin |
| 18:28.06 | Monet | I mean look what they did to Patrick Stewart http://gamerfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Oblivion-Screen.jpg |
| 18:28.59 | Cyrannian | I like to think that in Oblivion, the player character actually runs right up into a person's face when they start a conversation |
| 18:30.31 | Xho | Oblivion tends to jumpscare people like that |
| 18:30.37 | Monet | http://lparchive.org/Elder-Scrolls-IV-Oblivion/Update%2001/9-9-thatisaface.jpg "Apologies, Khajit has had too much skooma recently" |
| 18:31.31 | AdmiralPanda | no such thing as too much skooma |
| 18:31.43 | AdmiralPanda | on that note I was kinda sad skooma stopped being a drug |
| 18:32.35 | Cyrannian | I remember killing everyone in a Skooma den in Skyrim at one point, I think it was in the Dawnguard expansion |
| 18:32.54 | AdmiralPanda | easiest way to get into the dark brotherhood in Oblivion |
| 18:33.31 | AdmiralPanda | and when I say stopped being a drug, it's just a stamina boost in Skyrim as opposed to actually being addicting |
| 18:34.41 | Monet | Statwise yes. |
| 18:35.06 | Monet | In lore eating too much moon sugar still makes you sleepy. |
| 18:35.13 | Hachiman | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRTUReLBWHA Whenever anybody mentions skooma, I just think of this |
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| 18:39.33 | Monet | True story: The Flash isn't fast because of an accident or whatever, he's a *major* skooma addict. |
| 18:41.24 | Cyrannian | https://youtu.be/voc9TrSVVOA?t=119 |
| 18:42.49 | AdmiralPanda | I accept this as canon |
| 18:43.53 | Cyrannian | aye |
| 18:44.04 | Xho | Imperial Guard Z |
| 18:44.16 | Xho | Basically GTA V |
| 18:46.34 | Monet | Showed this earlier I know but still http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/264967316457606284/7F0AEF9C7C9190438937EC944DF885EFF2F7F2A3/ |
| 18:46.54 | Monet | Does it need any context? |
| 18:50.37 | Monet | Just my opinion but for me the poses, bloodstains and locations of everyone works for this shot. |
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| 19:29.09 | Tybusen | Hello |
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| 19:40.32 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Kicath/Kicathian_Language#Consonants Well that took a while |
| 19:48.23 | Xho | I had to invent some phonetics there just to cover the fact the Kicath have murmured/aspirated consonants not found in most languages on Earth |
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| 19:51.24 | Xho | ImpyDroid: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Kicath/Kicathian_Language prepare for a nightmare |
| 19:52.22 | Xho | well that killed him |
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| 20:01.40 | Xho | return of the ups |
| 20:06.48 | OluapPlayer | until the shiternet dies again |
| 20:07.13 | Xho | When you disconnect is there two more Oluaps born |
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| 20:08.42 | Hachiman | Xho: Oluap is not Samael |
| 20:08.58 | Xho | poor show |
| 20:21.31 | Tybusen | So I've found that using double quotes makes the Tooltip template not work |
| 20:21.42 | Tybusen | Is there a reason for this? |
| 20:25.06 | Cyrannian | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/5d/LeviathorClass.png/revision/latest?cb=20160709202453 - c what I created |
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| 20:26.10 | OluapPlayer | it is star trok |
| 20:28.22 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Goldhawk_Chronicles#Elder_Drakes Gotta new section for Silvereagles |
| 20:28.40 | OluapPlayer | its poop 10/10 |
| 20:29.07 | OluapPlayer | bbl |
| 20:29.41 | Monet | I wonder if it was worth adding Marcus' battleship into STO. |
| 20:30.03 | Monet | I dunno I find that such a design might be a bad thing for the Dederation to adopt. |
| 20:30.27 | Cyrannian | I don't think it was worth it as a Lobi ship certainly |
| 20:31.22 | Monet | The lobi store reminds me of the anachronistic stuff I sometimes see in the shops of eastern MMOs |
| 20:31.38 | Cyrannian | According to STO, ships from the Kelvin timeline are as advanced as those from 2409 due to the more militaristic focus of the Federation in that timeline |
| 20:32.48 | Monet | I played this one age of sail era game for a long time, one thing that bugged me was one in eight people had this Matrix trenchcoat-glasses combo you could get on its cash shop. |
| 20:32.54 | Cyrannian | http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10057893-kelvin-timeline-lockbox-and-lobi-ships - Take a look |
| 20:33.40 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: I wonder if Pepe and that feel guy could be banned as Neo-Nazi symbols |
| 20:34.00 | Monet | I admit the trenschcoat *looked* cool, but its omnipresence made me question if I was playing a game set in in 1729 or 1999. |
| 20:34.17 | ImpyDroid | Also dergon |
| 20:34.50 | ImpyDroid | Monet: I hate when MMO gear becomes too flashy for that reason |
| 20:34.57 | ImpyDroid | It ruins the immersion |
| 20:35.15 | ImpyDroid | That is what I do not like with GW2 Gem store gear personally |
| 20:35.56 | AdmiralPanda | I don't mind flashy (depending on the game in question), it's just whether or not it fits |
| 20:36.12 | AdmiralPanda | like, for example, a trenchcoat in the age of sail |
| 20:36.20 | AdmiralPanda | which most certainly does not fit |
| 20:36.38 | ImpyDroid | GW2 has an awesome artstyle but some of its gear is just too outlandish and does not fit in Tyria for me |
| 20:37.02 | ImpyDroid | It is not really high fantasy after all, it is fairly grounded when it comes to magic |
| 20:37.24 | AdmiralPanda | random note, one thing I love about GW2's character customisation is the sheer quantity and variety of body types for both male and female |
| 20:38.09 | Monet | Considering the Lobi store also has a 31st Timeship yeah ,its stuff squarely fits into the "rule of cool cash shop gear" category. |
| 20:38.28 | Monet | 31st century timeship and a Tholian battleship* |
| 20:39.33 | ImpyDroid | AdmiralPanda: ^That |
| 20:39.57 | ImpyDroid | My Amazonian buxom athletic norn elementalist lady is proof of thay |
| 20:39.59 | Cyrannian | Indeed, in terms of canon, Federation captains flying about on Jem'Hadar ships is a bit silly |
| 20:40.05 | Tybusen | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:First_Bunsen_War#Devil.27s_Advocate At long last I've finally finished the next chapter of First Bunsen War |
| 20:40.11 | Tybusen | If anyone cares to read it, at least |
| 20:40.36 | Monet | Though another thing is if the alternate 23rd and mainline 25th century ships are as advanced as each other, then for the mainline Federation that's just embarrasing. |
| 20:41.45 | Monet | I don't just mean gun designs, but theoretically this means the Kelvin-timeline ships have computers, engines and warp tehnology 200 years ahead of the main timeline |
| 20:41.52 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: >Skelewalkers |
| 20:42.05 | ImpyDroid | Preceded by the Spookywalkers |
| 20:42.36 | Tybusen | That name is from 2010 |
| 20:43.16 | Tybusen | as you can see I tried patching that up with some gratuitious apostrophes |
| 20:44.00 | ImpyDroid | At least rename them or something |
| 20:44.08 | ImpyDroid | The Ossifi |
| 20:44.12 | ImpyDroid | Or something |
| 20:45.14 | Hachiman | Why not go for something even more ridiculous |
| 20:45.53 | Tybusen | If you read through the first section you see that "Skelewalkers" is their old name |
| 20:46.36 | Tybusen | Skal'Vokra is the new name |
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| 20:49.29 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Spookirians? |
| 20:49.54 | Monet | Actually I just thought of a possible explaination for the tech gap of the two timelines: Lack of incentivisation. |
| 20:50.02 | DrodoEmpire | Yah |
| 20:50.03 | DrodoEmpire | *Yeah |
| 20:50.05 | ImpyDroid | Skeleshamblebones? |
| 20:50.26 | ImpyDroid | Deathrattlers? |
| 20:50.38 | Tybusen | ok but is anyone actually reading the section |
| 20:50.56 | Tybusen | i've been writing that for at least a few months |
| 20:52.22 | Monet | In the main timeline the only real wars were the Klingon cold war of the 2200s and the Dominion War of the late 2380s. Along with what looks like a state-run scientific community, the Federation probably felt little need to develop better computers, or faster warp drives, or more efficient phasers, or better starships |
| 20:53.12 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: "What if, there was a manifestation of "magic" in our "scientific" universe?" |
| 20:53.14 | Monet | There was development, sure, but the Federation had little reason for anything intensive like the Lockheed Martin Skunkworks. |
| 20:53.18 | DrodoEmpire | Can I see it Tybusen? |
| 20:53.27 | ImpyDroid | I love moments like this |
| 20:53.28 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:First_Bunsen_War#Devil.27s_Advocate |
| 20:53.34 | Cyrannian | Monet: It's also noted that the Rommies and the Klingons of the kelvin timeline are similarly inclined |
| 20:53.55 | ImpyDroid | These times when people realise in-universe they are in science fantasy |
| 20:53.55 | Monet | So i nthe Kelvin timeline everyone's in an arms race. |
| 20:54.27 | Monet | This just makes the mainline federation look hilariously lethargic imo. |
| 20:55.25 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: oh fucking God that skeleton introduction |
| 20:55.28 | ImpyDroid | I fucking died |
| 20:55.36 | Cyrannian | I agree, though I think I prefer it as an explanation for how the Kelvin timeline is clearly more advanced, rather than simply ignoring it as "oh the Primeverse is like this too" |
| 20:56.26 | Tybusen | ImpyDroid: I've been trying to write Shu'von'e differently from every "dark lord" sort of character we've had on the Wiki |
| 20:56.39 | ImpyDroid | And you succeeded |
| 20:56.45 | ImpyDroid | This is fucking brilliant |
| 20:56.48 | Tybusen | Thanks :) |
| 20:56.49 | ImpyDroid | Kudos to toy |
| 20:56.56 | ImpyDroid | you even |
| 21:01.09 | Monet | Tybusen: Reading now. |
| 21:01.39 | Monet | Desden constantly calling Jaysoth 'boy' is begging for a gob-punch. XD |
| 21:01.52 | Monet | Jaysmoth* |
| 21:02.13 | Monet | Cyrannian: Speaking of which, heard the news about Sulu? |
| 21:02.37 | Tybusen | Though to be fair, Dresden is literally the oldest Bunsen Galaxy major character so he could pretty much get away with it for most every Bunsen character |
| 21:02.47 | ImpyDroid | Monet: The fabulous ones? |
| 21:02.54 | Cyrannian | Monet: Indeed, I think it's a pretty apt reveal |
| 21:03.03 | Cyrannian | Though I know George Takei doesn't like it |
| 21:03.18 | Monet | Not because he's anti-LGBT or anything |
| 21:03.55 | Tybusen | > George Takei |
| 21:03.59 | Tybusen | > anti-LGBT |
| 21:04.21 | Monet | I n an interview he mentions that he loves the idea of a gay character in Star Trek, he just feels making Sulu the one goes a little against Rodenberry's vision. |
| 21:05.03 | Tybusen | Which is understandable |
| 21:05.18 | ImpyDroid | I know too little about Sulu to make judgements on the matter |
| 21:05.29 | ImpyDroid | 8 |
| 21:05.45 | Monet | He and Uhura are famous for the first inter-racial kiss on television. |
| 21:05.58 | Tybusen | Good representation is always good but they probably shouldn't make any "gay retcons" to the original vision |
| 21:06.06 | ImpyDroid | But isn't the Star Trek fandom like an LGBT hotbed? |
| 21:06.06 | Tybusen | Monet: Wasn't that Kirk and Uhura? |
| 21:06.16 | Monet | Can't fully remember |
| 21:06.22 | Cyrannian | Aye, Kirk and Uhura |
| 21:06.31 | Monet | Does make me wonder though, had social circumstances been different, could there have been gay characters in TOS? |
| 21:06.40 | ImpyDroid | 60s |
| 21:06.42 | Tybusen | I remember that one thing that Shatner did that was super annoying was insisting that he be the one to kiss Uhura |
| 21:06.44 | ImpyDroid | Probably not |
| 21:06.55 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Hence "had social circumstances been different" |
| 21:07.05 | Tybusen | It might have been Sulu and Uhura before Shatner insisted on it being Kirk |
| 21:07.13 | ImpyDroid | Anyway I heard Star Trek had a large slash/LGBT fan base so maybe it was a nod to them |
| 21:07.56 | Monet | Pegg is a massive nerd so it could have been. |
| 21:08.40 | Tybusen | Star Trek practically invented modern fanfiction so take that as you will |
| 21:08.47 | ImpyDroid | Oh well |
| 21:08.51 | Cyrannian | I think it was a nod to George Takei himself and his role with LGBT rights, but which backfired |
| 21:09.02 | ImpyDroid | Might be a good thing then |
| 21:09.07 | Tybusen | I think it's almost certainly because Takei himself is gay |
| 21:09.13 | ImpyDroid | Now all dem slash fics be canon |
| 21:09.30 | Monet | Well as mentioned, Tekai loved the idea of introducing a gay character. |
| 21:10.18 | Monet | The problem is if they introduced a new character for that, the character runs the risk of being forever remembered as 'the gay one' |
| 21:11.31 | Monet | From what Takei has said, it definitely sounds like he wishes to protect Rodenberry's vision of the future. |
| 21:11.53 | DrodoEmpire | I think its alright to have a gay character obviously, but yeah making it like *the* character trait they have is silly and forced |
| 21:12.37 | Monet | Even if the character is written well, making an established character gay is a buffer. |
| 21:13.01 | DrodoEmpire | I like how they did it with... I think Officer Jansson (?) in the Long Earth book- she's gay, yes, but it wasn't that big a deal- certainly not when compared to more significant character traits of hers |
| 21:13.33 | Monet | Even a well-written new character, the risk is high because we'd only know them for an hour and a half. |
| 21:13.36 | DrodoEmpire | That being professional, down-to-earth, focused, fit, etc. |
| 21:13.46 | Cyrannian | Indeed, a couple of new Star Wars characters are the same. As in, it would be mentioned in passing that a female Imperial Moff has a wife |
| 21:13.57 | ImpyDroid | â¡â¡â¡â¡â¡â¡ |
| 21:14.04 | DrodoEmpire | Took the whole "millions of alternate earths" thing pretty well :p |
| 21:14.06 | Tybusen | Basically, representation works best when the character you're writing has that trait as a secondary part of their character |
| 21:14.07 | ImpyDroid | â¡â¡â¡â¡ |
| 21:14.12 | ImpyDroid | â¡â¡â¡ |
| 21:14.17 | ImpyDroid | â¡â¡ |
| 21:14.20 | Cyrannian | http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Delian_Mors |
| 21:14.20 | ImpyDroid | â¡ |
| 21:14.37 | Tybusen | For example, you would want to write "character who also happens to be gay" rather than "gay character that..." |
| 21:14.40 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: I agree |
| 21:14.58 | ImpyDroid | duh |
| 21:15.11 | Monet | When dealing with a film, you have to get a character's personality nailed practically as they're going out the door. |
| 21:15.22 | ImpyDroid | Personally I am not a fan of changing new characters for diversification |
| 21:15.28 | ImpyDroid | Unless it is an organic development |
| 21:15.35 | Tybusen | Case in point: Ghostbusters 2016 |
| 21:15.42 | DrodoEmpire | Impy: totally agree |
| 21:15.49 | ImpyDroid | I mean these new characters will forever remain in the shadows of their predecessors |
| 21:16.18 | Monet | "It's the original Ghostbusters...but as women!" |
| 21:16.25 | Tybusen | Ghostbusters 2016 tried too hard to be an "all-female" movie and forgot the "Ghostbusters remake" part |
| 21:16.27 | ImpyDroid | Not to mention it implies that minority characters *cannot* be interesting by themselves so they have to assume old identities |
| 21:16.42 | ImpyDroid | Black Cap felt more organic |
| 21:16.51 | Tybusen | Yeah, that's my issue with people who say that a minority character has to be written a certain way |
| 21:16.52 | Xho | Hachiman: WILDFIRE CAN'T MELT MARBLE PILLARS |
| 21:16.59 | ImpyDroid | I mean Falcon is an established character |
| 21:17.15 | ImpyDroid | Xho: KING'S LANDING WAS AN INSIDE JOB? |
| 21:17.24 | ImpyDroid | Wait are you referring to that green explosion |
| 21:17.24 | Xho | WELL YES IT WAS |
| 21:17.29 | Xho | yup |
| 21:17.59 | Monet | But Cyrannian's point about a Moff having a wife represents one of the dangers when adding depth to a one-film character: Too obvious and it becomes their token trait, too subtle and no one picks it up. |
| 21:18.19 | Cyrannian | https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13533188_1084289381649118_6421980505147999701_n.jpg?oh=50d506bbf29f340e051ab0d517676ca9&oe=57F993CE |
| 21:18.59 | Tybusen | I remember that a lot of people lost their shit when a lesbian couple was onscreen for like two seconds in Finding Dory |
| 21:19.22 | Monet | All it takes is one scene. |
| 21:20.09 | ImpyDroid | What kind of person are you to be specifically looking for lesbians in a kid movie |
| 21:20.10 | Monet | It's the story equivalent of "it can take five years to build a good reputation, but five minutes to build a bad one" |
| 21:20.45 | Tybusen | ImpyDroid: The complaints are especially tone-deaf when you consider that the voice of Dory is a very well-known lesbian |
| 21:20.55 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Parents? |
| 21:21.09 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Lesbians appearing for two seconds |
| 21:21.31 | Tybusen | I watched Finding Dory and you really can't notice them unless you're specifically watching for them |
| 21:21.37 | Monet | Concerned mothers have lost their shit for less. |
| 21:21.41 | ImpyDroid | One of the MLP films has two girls pressing their cheeks together |
| 21:21.54 | ImpyDroid | Will that turn girls to lesbians en-masse? |
| 21:22.01 | ImpyDroid | (for one second that is) |
| 21:22.12 | Tybusen | I only noticed them because the Internet had made such a big stink about it, and then you see them and they're not even prominently displayed |
| 21:22.20 | Cyrannian | http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Poe_Dameron#Behind_the_scenes - oho that final paragraph |
| 21:23.03 | Tybusen | Honestly I wouldn't mind Poe x Finn |
| 21:23.07 | ImpyDroid | â¡â¡â¡â¡ |
| 21:23.13 | ImpyDroid | Pfinn OTP |
| 21:23.25 | ImpyDroid | Pfinn and Reylo plz |
| 21:23.31 | Monet | How To Train your Dragon 2 had a lot of moments where what was going on in the background was alluring than what was going on in the foreground. |
| 21:23.51 | Tybusen | Their relationship is written in a way that you could actually take it in a romantic direction without feeling contrived |
| 21:24.33 | Cyrannian | They did seem very, very excited to see each other when they were reunited |
| 21:25.04 | Monet | Poe kind of looks like the guy who'd sweet-talk anything that moves. |
| 21:25.11 | Tybusen | One problem I had with the ending of Legend of Korra was that the hints for it weren't becoming obvious until the second half of the final season, even though the creators claimed that they had been writing towards it since Season 2 |
| 21:25.16 | ImpyDroid | My gf (at the time) actually shipped them |
| 21:25.36 | ImpyDroid | It was adorable when she aww'ed at them |
| 21:25.54 | Monet | Maybe Poe's a bisexual? |
| 21:26.06 | Tybusen | Of course, for any romantic relationship, you really have to write it well for it not to seem too contrived |
| 21:26.09 | Tybusen | Monet: Very possible |
| 21:26.23 | Xho | I don't have anything against LGBT at all but I think the media tries way too hard to accommodate it and it turns out to be some exceptionally ugly element of a film |
| 21:27.00 | ImpyDroid | And speaking of which |
| 21:27.05 | Tybusen | Xho: That's probably because a lot of people try too hard on the "representation" front and forget that good representation has to have good writing behind it |
| 21:27.11 | Xho | aye |
| 21:27.13 | ImpyDroid | Should I show Steven Universe to my sister? |
| 21:27.18 | Monet | It's better than portraying biexuals as depraved and psychotic. |
| 21:27.32 | ImpyDroid | She's 7 |
| 21:27.40 | Hachiman | It's a kid sho |
| 21:27.42 | Hachiman | show |
| 21:27.43 | Hachiman | So yes |
| 21:27.43 | AdmiralPanda | Forcing representation is what gets you the horror movie black guy |
| 21:27.46 | Tybusen | ImpyDroid: Pretty sure she's in the target audience |
| 21:28.00 | Cyrannian | Well for those who watch Game of Thrones, I've started to ship Dany and Yara after that one scene in the second last episode |
| 21:28.06 | ImpyDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.25 | Tybusen | ImpyDroid: You're implying there's a problem with this |
| 21:28.49 | Hachiman | The focus isn't even on them being lesbians; it's on Steven being a fucking retard somehow every episode |
| 21:28.58 | Monet | Maybe he's to young to get the lesbian context. |
| 21:29.01 | ImpyDroid | Right |
| 21:29.10 | Monet | she's* |
| 21:29.24 | ImpyDroid | And speaking of representation |
| 21:29.31 | AdmiralPanda | I haven't seen the show, but I'm sure it isn't as crackpot as its lead writer, so it's probably fine |
| 21:29.39 | ImpyDroid | I do not want to force anyone to make characters |
| 21:29.52 | Hachiman | FUCK |
| 21:29.56 | Hachiman | My headphones just fucking broke |
| 21:29.58 | ImpyDroid | But I would kind of like to see an Asian character or two in the MCU |
| 21:30.03 | Hachiman | Fucking Chinese manufacturers |
| 21:30.26 | Tybusen | ImpyDroid: They don't have a lot of material to work on there, unfortunately |
| 21:30.26 | Monet | What ethincity is the Immortal Iron Fist? |
| 21:30.27 | ImpyDroid | I mean we have that hot Korean lady and that Thorbro |
| 21:30.30 | ImpyDroid | That is it |
| 21:30.30 | Hachiman | I waited three fucking weeks for these |
| 21:30.35 | Hachiman | And they're broken after less than two |
| 21:30.55 | Hachiman | Fucking assholes |
| 21:30.58 | ImpyDroid | I mean they even changed most Asian characters for the MCU |
| 21:31.07 | ImpyDroid | Mandarin is a fucking actor |
| 21:31.10 | AdmiralPanda | Mandarin says hi |
| 21:31.12 | AdmiralPanda | ninja'd |
| 21:31.28 | AdmiralPanda | still sad he's not a citrus fruit |
| 21:31.35 | Monet | ImpyDroid: There's some Asian representation in Daredevil |
| 21:31.39 | Tybusen | I think Mandarin's the only one though? |
| 21:31.56 | Tybusen | I can't think of any other MCU characters who are supposed to be canonically Asian |
| 21:31.59 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: There's also Ho Yinsen and the Ancient One |
| 21:32.15 | Tybusen | I don't remember who those two are |
| 21:32.17 | Hachiman | There's some young heroes who are Asian |
| 21:32.31 | Hachiman | Like the new Hulk |
| 21:32.42 | AdmiralPanda | let's be honest here, if there was an asian headline superhero, they'd probably be as katana-weeb as possible |
| 21:32.47 | Hachiman | Daken is half-Japanese |
| 21:32.49 | ImpyDroid | AdmiralPanda: Actually imagine the real Mandarin as a charismatic anti-villain later becoming an anti-hero companion to the Avengers |
| 21:32.54 | Xho | Isn't Jubilee Asian as well |
| 21:33.00 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: That fucking guy |
| 21:33.01 | AdmiralPanda | because the only way superhero works is by overdoing everything |
| 21:33.11 | ImpyDroid | I cannot take a teenager Hulk seriously |
| 21:33.20 | Monet | Xho: If she is she's Fox's property for now. |
| 21:33.43 | ImpyDroid | But he could be a new character too I mean his mother was already introduced |
| 21:34.31 | Hachiman | And yes, Jubilee is descended from Chinese immigrants |
| 21:34.37 | Tybusen | Come to think of it Asians really are underrepresented in American media |
| 21:35.13 | ImpyDroid | Jubilee right |
| 21:35.35 | Tybusen | At least as far as representations besides "Chinese kung fu master" and "samurai with katana of nippon steel" characters |
| 21:36.01 | Hachiman | http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Noriko_Ashida_(Earth-616) There's also this girl |
| 21:36.07 | Monet | We have Melinda May from Agents of Shield. Though unlike Skye she was made for the show. |
| 21:36.41 | Cyrannian | Agent May is awesome |
| 21:37.01 | Monet | In terms of Villains however we have these two http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Nobu_Yoshioka http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Madame_Gao from Daredevil |
| 21:37.10 | ImpyDroid | Cyrannian: Is it true that Agents of Shield reveals that Hydra is led by an actual hydra? |
| 21:38.02 | Cyrannian | http://agentsofshield.wikia.com/wiki/Hive - aye |
| 21:38.20 | Hachiman | How silly |
| 21:38.32 | AdmiralPanda | so I'm watching a Rimworld playthrough, and one of the colonists is a giant with dull mental state, named Hodor, and he has asthma so he's been assigned his own specific set of areas he's allowed to go in, because he'll literally kill himself with stupidity if he goes too far from the common room |
| 21:39.04 | Hachiman | kek |
| 21:39.25 | Monet | Ward was...a very complex character |
| 21:39.52 | ImpyDroid | HAIL A LITERAL HYDRA |
| 21:42.51 | AdmiralPanda | he's too stupid to administer personal asthma treatment, equally too stupid to operate computerised doors (which all the exterior doors are), and yeah he'll basically stupid himself to death if he's not within easy reach of another colonist |
| 21:43.26 | AdmiralPanda | the best part is, Hodor was a randomly generated name- he rocked up to the settlement called that |
| 21:43.42 | Hachiman | Oh God |
| 21:43.48 | Monet | Hachiman: Not too departed from the comics. |
| 21:43.51 | Hachiman | inb4 he dies because of a door |
| 21:44.00 | Xho | HOLD THE DOOR |
| 21:44.36 | ImpyDroid | Wait |
| 21:44.55 | ImpyDroid | Hodor means "Hold the door"? |
| 21:44.58 | AdmiralPanda | he actually could, because he can't fit through the door into the food storage area- if someone's not restocking the dining room he could starve to death |
| 21:45.14 | ImpyDroid | I know it is a Groot-like character but did his name originate that way? |
| 21:45.21 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 21:45.27 | Hachiman | Some magic time paradox bullshit |
| 21:45.30 | AdmiralPanda | gdi the TV show made that a thing? |
| 21:45.33 | AdmiralPanda | fuck them |
| 21:45.52 | ImpyDroid | Time paradoxes in Got? |
| 21:45.55 | AdmiralPanda | that started as a fucking reddit thread because the makeup department covered the actor's tattoo with a scar |
| 21:46.13 | ImpyDroid | ...I thought Westeros was supposed to be more grounded |
| 21:46.20 | Hachiman | >more grounded |
| 21:46.21 | Hachiman | DRAGONS |
| 21:46.22 | Hachiman | ELVES |
| 21:46.23 | Hachiman | ZOMBIES |
| 21:46.26 | Hachiman | PYROMANCY |
| 21:46.48 | AdmiralPanda | ImpyDroid: In the books, Hodor is just his name. The "hold the door" thing originated from a fan-theory spawned by a makeup decision in the TV show |
| 21:46.52 | Xho | It's lost its grounding over the past two seasons |
| 21:47.06 | Monet | In the comics, Hive was a HYDRA experiment that inserted parasites (not kidding) into people that would take over the host body. Making Hive a gestalt consciousness that went on to be one of the leaders of Hydra. |
| 21:47.20 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: More grounded than usual fantasy fare |
| 21:47.32 | ImpyDroid | Dragons is one thing, time travel is another |
| 21:47.58 | Cyrannian | Apparently it came from GRRM. Though Hodor's original name in the books was Walder rather than Wylis |
| 21:48.00 | Monet | All Agents of SHIELD really changed was instead of being Hydra SCIENCE! It's an alien. |
| 21:48.37 | Hachiman | GRRM has a heavy influence on these seasons even though they departed from the books |
| 21:49.24 | AdmiralPanda | it's actually not in the books at all, the reason they added the hold hte door thing to the tv show is the fan theory |
| 21:49.38 | Monet | Cyrannian: Isn't Hive currently in charge of Hydra though recently possessing Grant Ward's body? |
| 21:50.11 | Hachiman | It's not in the books, but that doesn't mean GRRM did not have that put in the show |
| 21:50.25 | Hachiman | For all we know, yeah, he could have seen it and liked it or something |
| 21:50.26 | Monet | From what I understand it founded Hydra, got stuck on another planet for quite a while and then Grant found it, died, and Hive too khis body. |
| 21:50.35 | Hachiman | Or it's just a massive coincidence that the fan theory got it right |
| 21:51.13 | Cyrannian | While it hasn't happened in the books yet, 'hold the door' came from GRRM, as one of the "WTF" moments in the future books, which also includes the death of Shireen |
| 21:51.27 | Cyrannian | Or at least, according to the producers |
| 21:51.52 | Hachiman | Stannis the No-Longer-A-Mannis |
| 21:53.23 | AdmiralPanda | ultimately, the reason I'm upset about it is because more and more it looks like the TV show is deviating from the original intent of ASoIF |
| 21:54.01 | Monet | For ratings by the looks of it. |
| 21:54.11 | AdmiralPanda | and Cyrannian: GRRM is changing the content of future books based on developments in the TV show, so it's still more likely that he latched on to the fan theory and added it into his works rather than it being original intent |
| 21:54.37 | AdmiralPanda | remember that the whole theory started because the actor's tattoo was covered with a scar, which book Hodor does not have |
| 21:55.37 | Hachiman | One thing I'm not fond of is this whole business of the Children of the Forest creating the White Walkers |
| 21:55.40 | Hachiman | Like, why |
| 21:55.46 | Cyrannian | There's no way to tell I suppose |
| 21:56.12 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: well, ASoIF is basically a giant allegory for climate change, among other things |
| 21:56.30 | Monet | Nature's Revenge? |
| 21:57.02 | Xho | night king gon fuk u up |
| 21:57.19 | Hachiman | I much preferred the White Walkers / Others being some ominous, mysterious threat; now I know that they're just the rogue creations of some shitty pint-sized elves |
| 21:57.27 | Monet | I love how one of the most popular shows on right now is an allegory for a subject quite a few people just want to go away. |
| 21:58.03 | Hachiman | Like, it was never really necessary to show us how they came to be |
| 21:58.09 | Monet | Once again, GRRM you are a genius of an asshole. |
| 21:58.11 | Hachiman | Nobody was looking for that answer |
| 21:58.26 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: actually, a lot of people were looking for that answer :P |
| 21:58.31 | Hachiman | Not in the books |
| 21:58.36 | Hachiman | Not in the show as far as I know |
| 21:58.50 | AdmiralPanda | you'd be surprised |
| 21:59.20 | Monet | Come on this is age when people panic over not knowing what the Kardashians' latest summer outfits could be. |
| 21:59.27 | Cyrannian | I like the theory that the Wall was built to protect the White Walkers from Lyanna Mormont |
| 21:59.33 | Xho | Hachiman: http://compositeeffects.com/mystore/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=2438 Speaking of which, I want one of these |
| 21:59.39 | Hachiman | hur |
| 22:00.15 | AdmiralPanda | Cyrannian: tbh you'd need a bigger wall |
| 22:00.19 | Hachiman | Xho: Just cosplay as Darth Maul, change red for blue, and few more wrinkles |
| 22:00.25 | Monet | We live in a time where "we don't know" is met with "just f*king tell us" |
| 22:01.26 | Hachiman | I would have thought it much better if the origins of the White Walkers were just kept vague |
| 22:02.05 | Hachiman | And was open to interpretation and theory rather than "because elves" |
| 22:02.34 | AdmiralPanda | I like the information to be there, admittedly it could be handled much better in the books because in the TV show they're basically obliged to show you |
| 22:03.06 | AdmiralPanda | but then again people still don't realise that Stormtroopers sucked at aiming because they were ordered to let the Falcon escape, and that was decades ago |
| 22:03.10 | Monet | A show as big as GoT? There's bound to be hundreds of people at least who are losing sleep over where the White Walkers came from. |
| 22:03.30 | Monet | Or were losing sleep. |
| 22:03.48 | Hachiman | Yes, and if GRRM kept to his guns, I don't think he would have showed us |
| 22:04.09 | AdmiralPanda | ^ agreed there, and that's why I don't like the show |
| 22:04.09 | Monet | GRRM and his producers you mean. |
| 22:04.32 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: The producers want water, GRRM wants wine, for the most part |
| 22:04.42 | Hachiman | If there's one thing I feel about the past two series or so, I feel that they're being *far* too generous |
| 22:05.29 | AdmiralPanda | the first couple of series were great, I didn't mind them adding more scenes of Joffrey getting slapped because that's just harmless fun |
| 22:05.38 | AdmiralPanda | but now they're being dum |
| 22:06.12 | Cyrannian | rip tywin |
| 22:06.52 | Xho | Battle of the Bastards was still a good episode |
| 22:06.53 | Hachiman | Jon Snow is alive, the Hound is alive, Arya somehow survives under circumstances that SHOULD have killed her, Ramsay Bolton is defeated, The Mountain is kind of alive, Cersei is WINNING WINNING WINNING as usual, Brienne is still somehow around without losing anything really |
| 22:07.01 | Monet | At this point I'm willing to believe GRRM is starting to fight his producers. |
| 22:07.16 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: They were kinda fighting from the start |
| 22:07.40 | Monet | True, true. |
| 22:07.51 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: What you got against Brienne |
| 22:07.51 | Hachiman | Oh, we also get the origins of the White Walkers and why Hodor is Hodor |
| 22:07.53 | Monet | But lately the producers seem to be winning more. |
| 22:08.10 | Hachiman | I like Brienne but she is essentially untouched; even Jaime lost his hand |
| 22:08.33 | AdmiralPanda | ah I get you |
| 22:08.36 | Monet | I'm willing to bet it was the producers who wanted to revive John Snow |
| 22:08.48 | Hachiman | I'm probably just salty because I'm waiting for Bronn to show up |
| 22:08.49 | AdmiralPanda | and I love how you say "even Jaime lost his hand" like Jaime doesn't deserve worse :P |
| 22:08.59 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: Abso-fuckin-lutely |
| 22:09.37 | Xho | I'm hoping for Jaime to have a final morality shift now that Cersei's gone full blown tyrant |
| 22:09.39 | AdmiralPanda | it sure wasn't George R-I've killed more characters than you ever knew existed-R Martin |
| 22:10.16 | Hachiman | Funny how much Cersei has become like the Mad King |
| 22:10.31 | Hachiman | And how Jaime may end up killing her |
| 22:10.33 | Cyrannian | I'd say Jaime will be the one to kill her |
| 22:10.35 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: that was basically always her fate tbh |
| 22:11.02 | AdmiralPanda | she was already going crazy just trying to protect and support Joffrey, now the brat king is dead she ain't got much |
| 22:11.31 | Hachiman | The only thing I do not really care what GRRM and the producers do with is Daenerys because fuck her |
| 22:11.42 | Xho | yes |
| 22:11.44 | Xho | yes i will |
| 22:11.46 | Monet | GRRM - This is the point where John Snow kicks the bucket. Violently. Proucers - Noo we can't kill him off, he's popular, girls love him, guys love his wolf, we can't! GRRM - Well I have to sate my love for killing people off somehow. Producer - Butbut we'll lose ratings! GRRM - But I want someone to die. |
| 22:11.48 | AdmiralPanda | I would fuck her, yes, what's your point? :P |
| 22:11.51 | Hachiman | Her arcs are like the most boring part of the show |
| 22:12.10 | Xho | It's either going to be Jaime, Daenerys, Jon or the Night King who will end Cersei |
| 22:12.28 | AdmiralPanda | it's almost certain to be Jaime |
| 22:12.35 | Xho | She might even end herself |
| 22:12.38 | Hachiman | inb4 Jaime gets off'd by Mountain |
| 22:12.41 | Cyrannian | http://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/im-here-to-love-my-children-and-blow-shit-up-and-im-all-out-of-children-cersei-game-of-thrones.jpg |
| 22:12.41 | AdmiralPanda | just from the story angle, him killing her would be the most dramatic |
| 22:13.21 | Hachiman | Or, if the producers are in charge, Jaime will encounter the Mountain but then Brienne will come out of nowhere and sacrifice herself to fight him while Jaime goes and throttles Cersei |
| 22:13.24 | AdmiralPanda | but yeah, Dany is a bit cooler in the books, she just gets naked way too much to be a serious character |
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| 22:13.53 | Monet | Producers - Viewers. Like. Boobs. |
| 22:13.56 | Monet | Hi |
| 22:14.03 | AdmiralPanda | talkin about GoT Quark |
| 22:14.03 | Cyrannian | Her storyline is fun when she isn't sitting in Meereen |
| 22:14.16 | Hachiman | Viewers also like some semblance of PERSONALITY attached to those boobs |
| 22:14.46 | Monet | Producers - Do they? Huh... |
| 22:14.53 | AdmiralPanda | wait a minute, Hachiman caring about something other than boobs? did I skip dimensions while I was asleep? (I kid, of course) |
| 22:15.02 | Quark8 | Are you talking about Season 6 |
| 22:15.06 | Hachiman | Some things I am sad that the producers decided to cut from the show that were in the books is the character Shitmouth and Daenerys shitting herself after riding a dragon for the first time |
| 22:15.07 | Quark8 | *? |
| 22:15.23 | AdmiralPanda | but yeah she's a much more rounded and better character in the books |
| 22:15.30 | Cyrannian | Apart from that scene where she burned the Khals, she hadn't appeared naked since season 3 I'm pretty sure |
| 22:15.48 | Hachiman | Like, GRRM actually writes about Daenerys projectile shitting in a field |
| 22:16.00 | Monet | That sounds too much for television. |
| 22:17.00 | AdmiralPanda | I don't watch the show so iunno, but books never even draw attention to the fact that half the time the local clothing involves having one breast uncovered, and when it does it's because she's making a statement wearing it |
| 22:17.48 | Monet | From what I can tell, dismemberment, pools of blood, maiming and sex are all fine. But streams of poo are a no-no. |
| 22:17.58 | AdmiralPanda | then again I'm just not a fan of nudity in general |
| 22:18.14 | Cyrannian | I noticed that the last season has been less gratuitous in that regard |
| 22:18.46 | Quark8 | That's a good thing. |
| 22:18.56 | Hachiman | One thing I want explained is Varys' teleportation powers |
| 22:19.15 | Xho | Varys is Varys, he don't need no explanations |
| 22:19.19 | Monet | Cyrannian: Yeah but she still wears less than much of the cast. |
| 22:19.29 | AdmiralPanda | the man has no balls, cut him some slack :P |
| 22:20.11 | Hachiman | Didn't know having no balls made him the fastest man alive |
| 22:20.20 | Cyrannian | Everyone assumes that the fleet was at Meereen, even though if you look closely there are ships from Dorne and House Tyrell, so this is likely: https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d3874c2a8e94f1c32dd06ea6bc0ab47b-c?convert_to_webp=true |
| 22:21.23 | Hachiman | I mean, Varys ran and swam from Dorne to Meereen in a day |
| 22:21.37 | Monet | Lookign at images and...it is me or is Daenerys possibly allergic to sleeves and collars? |
| 22:22.21 | Hachiman | Daenerys spends most of her time in Essos - a place that has a persistently hot climate - and is also a woman |
| 22:22.24 | Cyrannian | Most of her scenes this season were in a desert |
| 22:22.25 | AdmiralPanda | normally I'd make a joke about Dany and a collar but still |
| 22:22.54 | Monet | Hachiman: Even when she's dressing modestly she goes sleeveless. |
| 22:23.02 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman Cyrannian: you guys know typical desert attire is loose full body covering, that's where we get burkhas from :P |
| 22:23.20 | Cyrannian | shhh |
| 22:23.24 | AdmiralPanda | neva |
| 22:25.18 | Cyrannian | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgH1teclWkY - She is pretty modestly dressed in this scene |
| 22:27.08 | Monet | Still exposing an arm and her collar line though. |
| 22:28.34 | Monet | So I agree while it's modest, it's still less clothing than everyone else. |
| 22:31.36 | Monet | The second least dressed person in the room, for instance, is her door guard. |
| 22:33.16 | Monet | Anyway |
| 22:41.14 | Monet | It sounds like GoT is progressively going down what could be called the Call of Duty marketing model. |
| 22:42.09 | Monet | Where producers take over and what is presented is designed to appeal to surface-detail fans and transient viewers. |
| 22:42.38 | Monet | And basically aim for ratings ratings ratings. |
| 22:43.49 | Monet | HBO's angle on the approach of the final episodes is like a hype freight train. |
| 23:07.28 | Xho | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/69/Vanguard2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20160709230538 I did a spooky |
| 23:32.06 | Technobliterator | woah |
| 23:32.07 | Technobliterator | that looks nice |
| 23:38.22 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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