IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160707

00:06.58Wormy_Goodnight
00:08.37Monethttps://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/07/06/star-trek-online-agents-of-yesterday-expansion/ the snark from this RPS article is delicious.
00:09.36Monet"Oh… the Temporal Agent guff from Enterprise again. Good. Good stuff. Not any of the fun Star Trek time travel stuff. Temporal Agents. Fine! STO was already all sorts of janked up from squeezing in fan-favourite characters from everywhere and everywhen, of course."
00:09.40The_Randomnesslol
00:09.54DrodoEmpireluk
00:09.57DrodoEmpire*lul
00:15.49DrodoEmpireHmm, how religious are different peoples/nations in the fictionverse?
00:17.11MonetAN interesting matter.
00:17.49DrodoEmpireYeah
00:18.00MonetOne of the key elements of Andromedism is a healthy, or strong positive opinion on spirituality.
00:18.22DrodoEmpireI find the trope of everybody in the future being irreligious or strongly atheistic a curious one
00:18.34DrodoEmpireIts *possible*, but I mean how likely is it?
00:19.09The_RandomnessBeing the pleb that I was, I went "lol the future is atheist"
00:19.15DrodoEmpire:p
00:19.16MonetWell at their core, religions are ideas.
00:19.46MonetAnd ideas are, quite often, an absolute *bitch* to remove once they take root.
00:20.20DrodoEmpireI figure its possible, but moreso in societies that are liberal or with western ideas
00:20.58DrodoEmpireMonet: yeah definitely- many cultures have an inextricable link with their related religion
00:22.21DrodoEmpireI mean using the Drodo, who are a fairly conservative people, as an example- there are several major religions still, and most Drodo practice ancestor worship
00:22.31DrodoEmpireParticularly as a form of clan faith
00:25.15MonetThe Divinarium has already faced its fair share of genocide.
00:25.33MonetAnd still hold very strongly to their faith.
00:26.09DrodoEmpireYeah
00:26.35The_RandomnessI actually find the "atheist future" trope a bit annoying now
00:26.50DrodoEmpireMe too, to an extent at least
00:26.56MonetFeels pretentious
00:27.01The_Randomnessyeah
00:27.03DrodoEmpire^
00:28.10MonetPerhaps also pretentious in that thanks to Buddhism and Jedi etering the mainstream Western public consciousness, atheism and irreligiosity are not longer two different things.
00:28.24Monetno longer the same thing*
00:28.34DrodoEmpireTo an extent, yeah
00:29.15DrodoEmpireI also dislike how in most shows/universes "atheism" is considered "no Christianity!"
00:29.44MonetThat too.
00:30.00DrodoEmpireUnsurprisingly, the writers are of a western background- I suspect they feel especially annoyed or guilty about Christianity and think it should be gone above any other ideology :p
00:33.38Monet"Religion is the opiate of the masses" is the common angle
00:34.28DrodoEmpireIt id
00:34.30DrodoEmpire*is
00:36.56The_Randomnesshmm, I wonder what my history/religious studies friend of mine has to say about this
00:39.03DrodoEmpireMight be interesting to ask
00:39.31MonetFrom what I've seen fro mat least one subset of science fiction fan, a world where atheism is the de facto belief is believeable because many religions, when scrutinised, tend to reveal more holes than a Swiss cheese warehouse.
00:40.34DrodoEmpireYeah, sure, many ideologies are deeply flawed
00:40.49DrodoEmpireBut that doesn't stop people from believing them
00:41.03DrodoEmpireMany communists are atheists- they replace one flawed idea for another
00:41.03MonetHumans don't work on pure logic alone, no.
00:41.25DrodoEmpire^
00:41.41DrodoEmpireHumans aren't inherently rational
00:41.51DrodoEmpireAt least, they probably aren't >.<
00:42.40The_RandomnessTalking to him right now "I can't overstate how shit it actually is"
00:43.09DrodoEmpireThe idea that the future is atheistic?
00:43.17The_RandomnessWell, the trope in general
00:43.28DrodoEmpireRight
00:43.31DrodoEmpireFair enough
00:44.32The_RandomnessA lot of what it seems to boil down to is "in the future, which will doubtless be more intelligent and fairer-minded than our time, everyone will agree with me"
00:44.35The_Randomnessyeah right
00:44.51DrodoEmpireYeah...
00:45.33MonetThe fallacy that only dumb or ignorant people believe in religion?
00:46.14The_RandomnessWell, more that "in the future, EVERYONE will follow X ideology"
00:47.10The_RandomnessLike, it seems to come from a misunderstanding of what religion actually is, how people are, badhistory, and it's just mean-spirited
00:47.41DrodoEmpireYeah...
00:55.50MonetCommuntum Drakonmipthum I think I'd say is equal parts tradition and philosophy.
00:56.45DrodoEmpireOh?
00:57.59MonetWell they have a creator figure, but their holy text is more like this reader's digest of observations about life, and what it means to be a good person.
00:59.09DrodoEmpireAhh
00:59.11DrodoEmpireFair enough
00:59.31Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid_Imperium/Religion/Book_Of_Divine_Teachings I made a list
00:59.40DrodoEmpireDrodo ancestor worship is a mix of oral tradition and storytelling, moral lessons, and somewhat hokey legends and traditions :p
01:00.46MonetOn reflection...some of these phrases are better than others.
01:02.58DrodoEmpireEhh, maybe
01:03.31mrrankings11hello
01:03.38DrodoEmpireOh, hi
01:03.58mrrankings11ive come to a conclusoin
01:04.14DrodoEmpireOkay
01:04.18mrrankings11im not going to focus the history on the planet
01:04.33mrrankings11im going to do it while there in space
01:05.54mrrankings11bye
01:05.59DrodoEmpireRight
01:05.59DrodoEmpirebye
01:10.11MonetThe Alcanti Royal Academy is quite lax o nhow spiritually-inclined its proffessors are, so long as their faith does not impact the results of their research.
01:10.50DrodoEmpireThat's fair
01:12.59MonetHmm given the ARA's dominance in the academic community I imagine this philosophy is something of a benchmark i nthe DI
01:15.19MonetEven though Pax Draconica permits the preservation of a province's political and cultural values, it doesn't time-lock them; Its likely that despite this hands-off approach to culture, a lot of older provinces have been let's say... 'Draconised', if that's the right term
01:16.04DrodoEmpireMakes sense
01:16.39MonetLike how it's a thing here i nthe UK for people t odial 911 for the emergency services.
01:18.28MonetSo while I've said there's no one Imperial culture - save for maybe Draconid high culture - the ancient provinces share a lot in common.
01:20.09DrodoEmpireRight
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01:30.07mrrankings11hi
01:32.02mrrankings11v
01:32.19DrodoEmpirehi
01:33.06mrrankings11hey so after i flesh my empire any idea of what i should do for fictoin
01:33.25DrodoEmpireI dunno- Try asking around after you're done writing a bit
01:33.31DrodoEmpireDon't rush though
01:33.33mrrankings11ok
01:33.41mrrankings11i have an idea
01:34.17DrodoEmpireAlright
01:43.27mrrankings11hey do you know to add a headin?
01:46.16Monetgoodnight
01:57.54DrodoEmpireOh a header?
01:58.27DrodoEmpireYou put "==" beside either end of a title
01:58.44DrodoEmpireLike "==Economy==" or "==History==", for example
01:59.07mrrankings11ok
01:59.09DrodoEmpireYou can add more equals signs to either end to make smaller and smaller subheaders
01:59.14mrrankings11thanks
02:00.00mrrankings11ill try to get the planet done right now
03:14.08The_RandomnessDrodoEmpire: I've realized that this world that I'm working on for the collabverse is quite literally dank
03:14.16DrodoEmpirehur
03:14.27DrodoEmpireIn CSGO so excuse me if I cant respond quick;y
03:14.32DrodoEmpireYou can talk to me on Steam maybe
03:14.53The_Randomnesssure, if there's something I feel like bugging you about, I'll dump it there
03:25.00DrodoEmpirekk
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09:14.33Groxkiller98Heya.
09:19.02Charles_MurrayHey
09:33.55Groxkiller98I'm thinking about making a Spore text-game...
09:35.38Groxkiller98Also, I'm going to have my end-of-year interview with college. <_<
09:35.48Groxkiller98It's some time today. Soonish.
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11:35.49MonetHello
11:45.26Charles_Murrayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83ozOX9l7M8
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12:09.10TreebeardHello
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12:44.55Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/IbuH2
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13:30.59JepardiHi
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13:39.55DrodoEmpireHi everyone
13:47.17GhelaeHello.
13:48.43Charles_Murray_Hey
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14:10.34AdmiralPandawell, I've reached the point in Dark Souls 3 where I'm happy doing nonsense
14:12.28DrodoEmpireHuh
14:12.53AdmiralPandaI'm running around in a co-op playthrough just using a pair of cesti (leather fist weapons) to punch things in the face and it's working
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14:14.36HachimanHi
14:15.50MonetHi
14:32.20AdmiralPandaHachiman: Playing through Dark Souls 3 punching people in the face with the caestus
14:33.22HachimanOnly true way to play
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15:04.27DrodoEmpiretest
15:32.05dromHeheh
15:32.10dromMy ZNC is really working
15:40.32ImpyDroidHachiman: https://youtu.be/ZAy0N-lFGFc That fucking Gabriel Angelos voice
15:43.45ImpyDroidIt is like he is possessed by Avitus's ghost
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16:26.05CyrannianHello everyone
16:27.56Monethi
17:00.21CyrannianHm, since installing that other Windows 10 update, Galactic Adventures is playing as Spore. I fixed this problem before but I can't remember how hur
17:01.33GhelHello.
17:02.38GhelGalactic Adventures has stopped working for me again altogether (it doesn't seem to realise the disc is in). I think I'll blame Windows 10 updates too now.
17:04.05CyrannianThat must be it. Do you remember how you last fixed the problem? I seem to remember it had something to do with the Sporebin, but I'm not sure.
17:06.21GhelNo; I just did the lazy option, uninstalled and reinstalled it, and got rid of the DRM. Of course, that meant I couldn't log in to the Spore servers (but IIRC they were still down back then), so I'll have to do it properly next time.
17:09.38CyrannianHm, I'll try reinstalling it. I was shocked to my very core when troubleshoot compatibility didn't work. :P
17:10.16ImpyDroidMonet Hachiman: http://img.ifcdn.com/images/72267c7dcfd5236adc127be66d106fa1bba1b59305cf8c7fad5054fecc0ee0c9_1.jpg
17:34.40Hachimanolol
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17:39.24CyraBotGhel: seems reinstalling GA has worked.
17:39.45CyraBotAnd hi Treebeard, nice updates!
17:39.55TreebeardThanks!
17:41.37GhelCyraBot: Good; I'll have to try that too.
17:41.51TreebeardCyraBot: Could you change the Talven Empire to an ally of the New Cyrannian Republic?
17:42.35CyraBotOh yes, I was meaning to do that yesterday but was sidetracked
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17:48.43TreebeardHello
17:59.39AdmiralPandainteresting fact I should share with Oluap, it turns out that the part of queensland I live in is closest to southern/central Brazil in terms of climate, in comparison to the rest of the world
17:59.52AdmiralPandabut if you go about 100km due west you're in the Sahara
18:21.13CyrannianHachiman: https://youtu.be/KEI0s0mwqXM?t=36
18:37.59ImpyDroidCyrannian: Speaking of Harry Potter, I have recently become aware that the book received a new translation here in Russia
18:38.14ImpyDroidThat was... controversial
18:38.19CyrannianHow so?
18:38.31ImpyDroidHagrid is "Ogrid"
18:38.48ImpyDroidDumbledore is pronounced "DOOM-buhl-dor"
18:39.03ImpyDroidQuidditch is rendered as "Kvidish"
18:39.17ImpyDroidAnd Umbridge was translated as
18:39.20ImpyDroidWait for it
18:39.33ImpyDroid"Khambridge"
18:39.40Cyrannianoho
18:43.11MonetBluddy Khambridge toffs, think they know weverything
18:43.29Monetis #Oxtriggered
18:44.42AdmiralPandaso there's this thing where the main catholic boy's schools in my area were drawn into a comedy yaoi manga-style thing, and I'm now imagining that same thing but for british universities
18:46.23MonetFunnily enough there was an Anime and Gaming Con held next door to the London Metropoliant University last weekend.
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18:47.03TreebeardHello
18:47.12TybusenHello
18:50.01DrodoEmpireHi
18:52.13Tek0516Well I think I gave myself a breakdown at work today after doing seven hours straight with no breaks. >.< (the latter mostly due to my own lack of assertiveness rather than an ill intent by the management.)
18:53.28DrodoEmpireOuch
18:53.46AdmiralPandathat just ain't right
18:53.59AdmiralPandayou sir need a glass of chocolate milk and a tummy rub
19:22.53Treebeardtest
19:31.35Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Nemesis-class_Star_Dreadnought - Finished paeg
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20:03.18MonetHello
20:03.37Wormy_hi
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20:07.12mrrankings11hi
20:09.17Wormy_hey
20:11.06mrrankings11so im trying to focus on the space part of the histery of my chreatures
20:12.01ImpyDroidMonet: It is even better because of how "Khambridge" is actually pronounced in Russian
20:12.18ImpyDroidIt is hard to explain but think "Kuh-HAM-bridge"
20:12.32ImpyDroidWith the first syllable being very short
20:12.37mrrankings11???
20:12.38ImpyDroidHi Tybu
20:13.14ImpyDroidMonet: Hm, actually, where are cons usually convened where you live?
20:14.09ImpyDroidmrrankings11: Well
20:14.19ImpyDroidFor how long have your guys been in space?
20:16.33mrrankings1170 years
20:17.04mrrankings11well 1 contrey has been in space for 70 years
20:17.20mrrankings11the other contrys have been in space for 50
20:26.04mrrankings11you guy there?
20:26.13mrrankings11*guys
20:53.57dromWormy_: So, let's have soft-sci-fi-style ships, but implement technology and interior design fit for hard-sci-fi rules
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21:02.08AdmiralPandaOlulaptop (I know that's not the actual name but I consider it superior): interesting fact for you- in terms of climate, Queensland is approximately comparable to central-southern brazil
21:02.59OluapTopI don't know the place
21:04.24AdmiralPandathe state I live in, Australia
21:04.30OluapTopRight
21:11.00mrrankings11what are you guys talking about ?
21:11.37DrodoawayNothing right now, I gues
21:11.40Drodoaway*guess
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21:22.40DrodoEmpireHi!
21:22.45Spluff5Hi there
21:22.54DrodoEmpireHey- new to IRC?
21:23.14Spluff5This IRC yes, as a concept no.
21:23.29DrodoEmpireRight, right
21:24.32Spluff5I just came across the SPORE wiki and it looks like an awesome community. I had just started basically doing what you guys are doing on my own but collabing with others sounds cool.
21:25.25DrodoEmpireOkay, great
21:25.49DrodoEmpireThere are a few fiction universes to choose from here, so feel free to look around
21:26.16DrodoEmpireThe main one would be the sci-fi universe, but there's also a fantasy universe and a new science-fiction universe currently in the works as well
21:28.32Spluff5Oooh, a new sci-fi one sounds interesting
21:28.48mrrankings11im also intresead
21:28.57DrodoEmpireWell its still in development, and is much more centrally-planned
21:29.20DrodoEmpireIf you want to assist in development you're welcome to, but the current scifiverse still has lots of space too
21:29.48Spluff5What I've come up with so far is a Coalition of Planets with a similar level of technology to that of Star Trek TNG.
21:30.02Spluff5What is the level of tech in the current universe?
21:30.14DrodoEmpireWell, the entire universe doesn't have one tech level
21:30.24DrodoEmpireThere is, however, a rough and somewhat controversial
21:30.29DrodoEmpire*"Tier" system
21:30.37DrodoEmpireOf technological achievment
21:30.47DrodoEmpireTNG would be about Tier four, so quite low
21:30.58DrodoEmpireThe Galactic Empire from Star Wars would be Tier one
21:31.05MonetBut it's a strong starting point
21:31.09DrodoEmpireIt is
21:31.19DrodoEmpireIts useful but don't put too much stock in it
21:31.43DrodoEmpireThe Gigaquadrant's gone through a "hyperspatial revolution", where hyperspace became the dominant mode of space travel
21:31.52DrodoEmpireThat was about the 2780s/90s
21:32.24DrodoEmpireThat set off a huge chain of events leading to the Xonexi war, which redistributed power greatly from old empires to newer ones and international coalitions
21:32.40DrodoEmpireSo there's more of a balance, and the universe as a whole has become more advanced
21:32.56DrodoEmpireHowever, if your guys are new it might be best to start at around four
21:33.10DrodoEmpire(as you meet new powers, your tier level'll rise rapidly)
21:33.27DrodoEmpireThe perks of a highly-connected universe
21:33.47DrodoEmpireSorry for the big burst of info but that's the gist of it
21:34.02Spluff5Nah, that's helpful.
21:34.10DrodoEmpireAlright/
21:34.36DrodoEmpireI'd be happy to do a fiction with you and help with fiction development, if you so wish :D
21:35.23Spluff5Maybe later down the track after I have established my own canon and lore a bit.
21:35.31DrodoEmpireAlright, no problem
21:38.13DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Drodo_Empire/Equipment_Inventory - Updated this, if anybody's interested
21:38.23DrodoEmpireI'll need to do starships/aircraft next
21:43.49Spluff5So what I have invented so far is six species that are part of this Coalition of Worlds, they all have similar levels of technology but execute it in very different ways. Although, the travel capabilities of the Sanurans, one of the members far exceeds the rest
21:44.34Spluff5I've also thought of three enemy races, two of which border Coalition space and one from the next arm over in the Galaxy.
21:45.19DrodoEmpireWhich galaxy are you planning to place them in?
21:46.50Spluff5Wel, I originally planned the Milky way when I as unaware of this community but I'm open to moving to fit around already established canon.
21:47.30DrodoEmpireNah, the milky way's a great starting location
21:47.53DrodoEmpireAnd there's a crapton of free space
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21:52.41Spluff5Sorry, connection issues.
21:53.25DrodoEmpireNo problem
21:58.35Spluff5http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/71/Sanura.png/revision/latest?cb=20160707215752
21:58.39Spluff5This is a planet I made, do you guys know how to get a larger image?
21:59.11DrodoEmpireThat's just a weird thing with wikia
21:59.31DrodoEmpireTry posting from the wiki itself, if that makes sense
22:01.33Spluff5The image itself is quite small as it is taken from the Adventures folder in My Spore Creations. I was just wondering how to actually capture a larger image.
22:02.58DrodoEmpireAhh, so it is
22:03.11DrodoEmpireTake a screenshot while in game?
22:03.32DrodoEmpireThere might be HUD then, but I know there's a certain skill involved in making screenshots in Spore
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22:07.16Wormy_Did a steam update and Fallout 4 won't luanch :(
22:07.46DrodoEmpireOh ouch
22:08.48MonetYeah there was an update to Fallout 4 today
22:09.32MonetBah someone's car alar mis going off right outside my window.
22:10.51Wormy_Put me in a really bad mood
22:10.53MonetI think it's stopped now
22:11.18Wormy_Space Engine stopped launching after an update as well
22:11.27Wormy_Never got it to work since
22:11.36Wormy_Fallout 4 is fucked for me
22:12.44Wormy_Actually my antivirus tried to block it but I aborted.  I thought it was my antivirus, but I disabled it and the problem persists, so I think its a deeper problem
22:13.44Wormy_For some reason I can't access the admin mode or compatbility either
22:14.05MonetThat is...wierd
22:18.09Wormy_The game loader comes up but when I click "Play", it vanishes
22:19.52MonetHave you tried verifying the game cache?
22:21.47Wormy_How do I do that?
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22:23.34ImpyDroidWriting romance stories feels oddly pleasant
22:24.07ImpyDroidI feel that pleasant feeling right below the base of my neck that I haven't felt for a while
22:24.28ImpyDroidlike right above the pectorals
22:24.51MonetWormy: Right-click the game in the Steam library -> properties -> local files -> verify integrity of game cache
22:25.05Spluff5When dates are given are they in Earth years (AD)?
22:25.14HachimanImpyDroid: That's a tumour
22:25.17MonetDepends on the fiction.
22:25.36MonetSpluffs
22:25.46ImpyDroidHachiman: Dammit Hachi do not ruin the mood
22:26.24MonetMilky Way, Borealis and Andromeda fiction use the Earth calendar, Cyrannus and the Quadrants have their own calendars.
22:26.26Wormy_doing it now
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22:34.53The_RandomnessHello
22:41.11Wormy_Monet You have my outstanding gratitude and thanks
22:41.27Wormy_It plays again
22:42.05Monethttps://www.facebook.com/bpanimals/videos/vb.1567881393436381/2061877824036733/?type=2&theater have some Guinea pigs hitting each other with food.
22:43.08Wormy_Cyrannian: Ping me if you wanna play STO
22:46.27Wormy_Hah look at them fighting over qa carotr
22:46.30Wormy_carot
22:48.50MonetFirst time I've ever seen a pizza used as a blut instrument.
22:48.58Monetblunt*
22:55.13MonetIt's a funny image that guinea pigs dislike sharing food so much they'll take what is theirs and then beat other guinea pigs over the head with whatever they're eating.
23:13.16CyrannianWormy_: I'm on it now
23:14.03CyrannianDespite my general feeling of "bleh" toward TOS, it's actually very fun
23:14.19Wormy_Gonna play now
23:17.52Wormy_STOCyrannian:  You playin as a Feddie?
23:18.10Wormy_STO(I like TOS episodes myself)
23:18.22CyrannianAye
23:18.30Wormy_STOI'll play as Feddie then
23:19.05Cyrannian|STOYou can create a new 23rd century Feddie
23:20.00Wormy_STOGonna play as an ugly Tellarite
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