| 00:00.24 | Charles_Murray | Well, I find that people's understandings of the categories politicians fit in is actually very varied and changes drastically depending on the groups you're talking to |
| 00:00.57 | Monet | I must have been roped in to HoC's message that in government, there is rarely a knight in shining armour. |
| 00:01.47 | Charles_Murray | Everyone has a set of ideas (ideal personalities, if you like) of what leadership looks like, and leaders try to call up or conform to those personalities/ideas |
| 00:02.03 | Monet | It felt like a change to the more typical "morally-upright guy surrounded by crooked peers" |
| 00:03.45 | Charles_Murray | Well, that's not the case IRL either |
| 00:04.08 | Charles_Murray | But that's not because everyone is evil/the system selects for the most powerful or morally corrupt |
| 00:04.15 | Charles_Murray | But because these things are hard |
| 00:11.08 | Monet | Its easy in media to paint those who make controversial choices as morally corrupt. |
| 00:19.32 | Monet | I Maybe its some kind of Arcadia principle. Or maybe its rooted in common narrative devices. |
| 00:20.40 | Monet | In this case, People don't like politicans. They want someone they relate to, so executives and writers try going for osmoene the common viewer would relate to - namely someone with similar ideals to them. |
| 00:39.55 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 00:40.36 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ottzello_Revolution :oo |
| 00:46.53 | DrodoEmpire | Interesting |
| 00:55.39 | Technobliterator | Should have this finished in a few hours |
| 00:56.50 | DrodoEmpire | Okay |
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| 03:56.11 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 05:58.46 | Technobliterator | Charles_Murray, when you're around, you may find http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ottzello_Revolution interesting |
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| 08:05.40 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 08:06.12 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 08:38.41 | Groxkiller98 | Heya. |
| 08:39.14 | Groxkiller98 | Anything going on? |
| 08:42.19 | Groxkiller98 | I'm thinking of creating a page for Teyo'Suna. She's the current leader of a Mithadorn War Clan. |
| 08:42.55 | Groxkiller98 | Maybe also Tano'Suung... |
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| 09:00.23 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 09:00.36 | Groxkiller98 | Heta. |
| 09:00.42 | Groxkiller98 | Heya* |
| 09:03.45 | Treebeard | Hello |
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| 09:11.16 | Groxkiller98 | Xho said he'd be back next week, didn't he? |
| 09:12.57 | Ghelae | looks at his user page |
| 09:13.05 | Ghelae | Around July 10. |
| 09:13.13 | Groxkiller98 | kk |
| 09:13.23 | Groxkiller98 | Which is next week. |
| 09:16.09 | Ghelae | Depends on whether you consider Sunday to be the first or last day of the week. :P But yes, he should be back next week. |
| 09:16.29 | Groxkiller98 | 'Kay. |
| 09:16.47 | Groxkiller98 | I wanted to thank him for letting my mention the Xhodocto on my Mithadorn page. |
| 09:16.50 | Groxkiller98 | Cults. |
| 09:21.41 | Groxkiller98 | You read the thing with the Mithadorn cults by chance? |
| 09:22.53 | Ghelae | Yes. |
| 09:23.04 | Groxkiller98 | What do you think of it? |
| 09:23.43 | Ghelae | has another look at it |
| 09:23.47 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 09:24.07 | Ghelae | Maybe rather than using a horizontal line, you should add a subsection on Religion, and perhaps mention other religions in the Republic if there are any? |
| 09:24.52 | Groxkiller98 | Maybe. The Republic as a whole is very atheistic. |
| 09:25.05 | Groxkiller98 | 98% of the population are non-religious. |
| 09:25.15 | Groxkiller98 | 1% follow the Ankoran religion. |
| 09:25.24 | Groxkiller98 | 1% are other religions. |
| 09:25.35 | Groxkiller98 | (Which includes the cults.) |
| 09:26.07 | Ghelae | That's certainly something to mention. |
| 09:26.57 | Groxkiller98 | I'll add that then. But later. I'm heading for break in 5 mins. |
| 09:27.11 | Groxkiller98 | When I get back, I'll do that. |
| 09:28.38 | Groxkiller98 | Oh, and does anybody mind if I claim http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Antella in the fictionverse? |
| 09:29.51 | Ghelae | Nope. |
| 09:30.06 | Groxkiller98 | ^_^ |
| 09:30.13 | Groxkiller98 | I'll put a space-port on it. :P |
| 09:31.45 | Groxkiller98 | Right, break should be any moment now. See you later, in advance. |
| 09:33.11 | Groxkiller98 | Also; I may be able to create a Fictionverse game, depending on how long it takes to finish the Purple Rain Game Engine. |
| 09:34.25 | Groxkiller98 | >_> |
| 09:34.25 | Groxkiller98 | Still waiting for the Dev Kit. >_. |
| 09:34.52 | Groxkiller98 | I do not understand C++ at all, so I need something easier to interact with. |
| 09:41.17 | Groxkiller98 | It would appear my teacher has forgotten we had a break scheduled... |
| 10:33.51 | Charles_Murray | test |
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| 11:23.37 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 11:25.21 | Groxkiller98 | Hai. |
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| 11:26.44 | Groxkiller98 | Hey, Wormy. |
| 11:27.00 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 11:27.04 | Technobliterator | hi Wormy_ |
| 11:27.19 | Wormy_ | hello |
| 11:27.24 | Technobliterator | Check this page out: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ottzello_Revolution :o |
| 11:28.14 | Groxkiller98 | Cool. |
| 11:28.33 | Groxkiller98 | I was thinking of having a Teyan Civil War. |
| 11:28.58 | Groxkiller98 | Something like the current China situation. They agree there is only one Imperium - They disagree on who it is. |
| 11:29.33 | Wormy_ | Wow, you've written a lot there |
| 11:30.49 | Technobliterator | this is just post-Reckoning fiction done early |
| 11:30.58 | Technobliterator | I'll be starting work on the Union Republic of Ottzello's page soon |
| 11:31.46 | Technobliterator | will need a flag for this |
| 11:32.51 | Technobliterator | Wormy_, what would the DCP think of URO? |
| 11:34.15 | Wormy_ | Pre-GXS step in the wrong direction of democracy, post-GXS, dunno they are more cool headed |
| 11:35.10 | Technobliterator | URO would probably want to still be bffs with the DCP |
| 11:35.14 | Technobliterator | given their long history |
| 11:37.34 | Charles_Murray | France - *is really glad* |
| 11:37.42 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 11:38.05 | Groxkiller98 | This stuff has no bearing on the Mithadorn, Teyan or Ankoran. Different galaxy. |
| 11:38.54 | Monet | Well it might affect URO-PAE relations |
| 11:39.10 | Groxkiller98 | THAT will affect my works then. |
| 11:39.32 | Groxkiller98 | I may have no part in the PAE, but they're basically the powerhouse of Andromeda. |
| 11:39.34 | Technobliterator | Oh, how would the PAE feel about URO? |
| 11:41.30 | Charles_Murray | France could act as a point of contact with the PAE if you want to smooth things over |
| 11:42.18 | Monet | Well not sure on the DIvinarium but the DI side of the PAE might enjoy it. |
| 11:42.19 | Technobliterator | man, I wish Oluap's PC wasn't broken, this probably affects him most |
| 11:42.24 | Technobliterator | ah, nice |
| 11:43.36 | Monet | As much as the DI are one of the big nations who believei n order, the population or government aren't too fond of authoritarianism, as in their eyes authoritarianism tends to strangle free commerce. |
| 11:44.00 | Technobliterator | Yeah, UNO was an oligarchy that trended more and more towards imperialism |
| 11:44.09 | Technobliterator | as seen in the cancelled USO fiction |
| 11:44.27 | Technobliterator | so the Loron are technically heroes |
| 11:44.33 | Technobliterator | for making UNO become good guys |
| 11:44.37 | Monet | Technically. |
| 11:45.10 | Groxkiller98 | The PAE are gonna frown on the Teyan if they asked to join up. >_> |
| 11:45.30 | Groxkiller98 | Military dictatorships aren't viewed highly, I would assume. |
| 11:45.51 | Monet | Depends how extreme |
| 11:46.33 | Monet | As you have the Divinarium - an authoritarian theocracy. |
| 11:46.41 | Technobliterator | Hm, URO are probably no longer militaristic, outside of the Loron |
| 11:46.59 | Technobliterator | the Loron are probably the only people they need to keep happy and they can do that by throwing them at Da Rogue Boyz |
| 11:47.19 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 11:47.58 | Groxkiller98 | Most military powers could likely be kept happy by being thrown at them. |
| 11:49.23 | Technobliterator | I should make URO's page soon |
| 11:50.35 | Groxkiller98 | I need to update the Mithadorn culture page when I get home. |
| 11:55.00 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator: Dere |
| 11:55.01 | Monet | I'm sure the PAE would happily do business with URO. |
| 11:55.12 | Technobliterator | ^.^ |
| 11:55.14 | Technobliterator | ah, sweet |
| 11:56.14 | Charles_Murray | What do you think? :D |
| 11:57.43 | Technobliterator | Yep, I like the edit |
| 12:00.24 | Charles_Murray | How ready would UNO be to go up against a modern hyperspatial airforce? |
| 12:01.00 | Technobliterator | UNO may be able to in any area that wasn't under risk of a cyber attack |
| 12:01.14 | Technobliterator | since it has Tralkik robots to deal with that |
| 12:02.47 | Charles_Murray | The French would also be learning from the experience of Ottzello pilots in going up against Tralkik robots; What are they, exactly? |
| 12:03.58 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tralkikianoe these dudes |
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| 12:04.44 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 12:05.03 | Monet | Hi |
| 12:06.01 | Technobliterator | hihi |
| 12:07.11 | Charles_Murray | Hm, I love the model of the Tralkik Killer |
| 12:07.13 | Technobliterator | I need to create a flag |
| 12:09.07 | Charles_Murray | The Mirage Roi might have trouble with it in close combat. It's of a generation of French fighters still outfitted for limited dogfighting, but it's going to be outclassed by dedicated turnfighters and swarm fighters up close. At a distance, though, the Mirage Roi are equipped with long-range and medium-range missiles which might make up the difference |
| 12:10.07 | Charles_Murray | And the French might ship experimental anti-swarm missiles in order to test their performance in combat, essentially missiles which fly into the center of a swarm then explode into tiny cluster fragments which seek their targets |
| 12:11.21 | Technobliterator | ah, makes sense |
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| 13:24.35 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Last_Three LMAO |
| 13:33.47 | Technobliterator | ._. |
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| 13:47.48 | Technobliterator | hihi |
| 13:48.49 | OluapTop | Hi |
| 13:48.59 | OluapTop | Stuck on a laptop while my PC is a goner |
| 13:49.43 | Technobliterator | I know that feeling |
| 13:50.02 | AdmiralPanda | what's funny is if you say it out loud, OluapTop almost sounds like laptop (yes I know that that was probably intentional) |
| 13:50.23 | OluapTop | cheeky |
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| 14:18.42 | OluapTop | ~eat Cyrannian |
| 14:18.42 | infobot | ACTION slurps up all the Cyrannian available |
| 14:19.01 | Cyrannian | ur back you horrible thing |
| 14:19.03 | Cyrannian | ~tickle OluapTop |
| 14:19.04 | infobot | ACTION jumps on OluapTop, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 14:19.36 | OluapTop | Temporarely. I might not be here in a few hours |
| 14:19.42 | OluapTop | My PC is borked |
| 14:20.32 | OluapTop | Technobliterator: So who represents URO in the PCA? Tuolog or Valzaria? |
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| 14:27.14 | Cyrannian | OluapTop: Did you see my updates? I saw that you accidentally reverted one of them hur |
| 14:27.32 | OluapTop | Yeah that's what happens when you browse on your phone |
| 14:27.42 | OluapTop | And you did gud, finally got back to your to-do list |
| 14:28.23 | Cyrannian | Indeed, it's becoming shorter |
| 14:28.46 | OluapTop | maek it empty grrr |
| 14:32.59 | Technobliterator | OluapTop, Valzaria represents them, Tuolog is now president of URO |
| 14:33.03 | Technobliterator | hi Cyrannian |
| 14:33.17 | OluapTop | President oldie |
| 14:33.23 | Technobliterator | yep |
| 14:33.25 | OluapTop | What happened to the rest of UNOL? |
| 14:33.45 | Cyrannian | Hai, interesting developments JO |
| 14:33.48 | Cyrannian | *Jo |
| 14:33.55 | Technobliterator | ^.^ |
| 14:34.00 | Technobliterator | They still exist, I'll make their pages soon |
| 14:34.02 | Hachiman | Yeah, good stuff JO |
| 14:34.06 | Technobliterator | pffft |
| 14:34.26 | OluapTop | I need you to add URO to the Codex |
| 14:34.30 | OluapTop | And move UNO to Inactive |
| 14:34.32 | Technobliterator | Yep, will do |
| 14:34.34 | Cyrannian | brb |
| 14:35.02 | Technobliterator | the pages that need updating most are the species pages |
| 14:35.07 | OluapTop | Maybe you'll stop reforming your fiction now hur |
| 14:35.18 | Technobliterator | then a few character pages |
| 14:35.18 | OluapTop | UNO, second UNO, USO, UNO again, URO |
| 14:35.23 | Technobliterator | haha yeah |
| 14:35.26 | Technobliterator | I have changed it so many times |
| 14:36.03 | OluapTop | URO is like UNO but with a japanese accent |
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| 14:40.29 | Technobliterator | lmao |
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| 14:46.24 | Technobliterator | hahaha |
| 14:46.29 | Technobliterator | I got edit conflicted by my own bot |
| 14:47.00 | OluapTop | How meta |
| 14:47.21 | Hachiman | AI uprising right there |
| 14:47.51 | OluapTop | UNO - payback time u shite |
| 14:48.40 | Technobliterator | :P |
| 14:49.01 | Technobliterator | wow |
| 14:49.05 | Technobliterator | I moved UNO to inactive |
| 14:49.08 | Technobliterator | forgot to change the state |
| 14:49.48 | OluapTop | dingus |
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| 14:57.05 | Technobliterator | bbl gym |
| 15:00.35 | drom_ | finally |
| 15:00.52 | drom_ | http://i.imgur.com/i54KmJ4.jpg |
| 15:08.57 | DrodoEmpire | ~seen dino82_ |
| 15:08.58 | infobot | dino82_ <d8dd47aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.221.71.170> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 4d 15h 44m 42s ago, saying: '@drom: Yeah, I liked how it played out, nto the most basic ships as well'. |
| 15:09.27 | OluapTop | he ded |
| 15:10.05 | DrodoEmpire | DED |
| 15:10.22 | drom | At least not dead as me |
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| 15:34.36 | Wormy_ | Ghelaway, Cyrannian, OluapTop, Technobliterator, Charles_Murray, Hachiman: Last Loron-DCP battle in Milky Way. Also I really massacred the laws of quantum mechanics :P http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning/Da_Milky_Way_Front#All_or_nothin.27 |
| 15:35.04 | OluapTop | I saw that |
| 15:35.16 | OluapTop | Return of Buuuk |
| 15:36.45 | Wormy_ | yep |
| 15:36.58 | Wormy_ | Is it three u's? Woops |
| 15:37.27 | OluapTop | Is it not? I'm not sure myself |
| 15:37.36 | OluapTop | Buuuk has as manu u's as he wants |
| 15:40.29 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 16:02.10 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 16:17.15 | DrodoAway | Gonna take a short walk |
| 16:26.53 | Technobliterator | aw yissss |
| 16:27.00 | Technobliterator | I got an average 2:1 in all uni results |
| 16:27.05 | Technobliterator | with a first in two of them |
| 16:27.07 | Technobliterator | :D |
| 16:27.13 | Technobliterator | Wormy_, I will read now |
| 16:31.10 | Technobliterator | Really nice :o |
| 16:31.12 | Technobliterator | I love it |
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| 16:59.42 | Wormy_ | Fantastic results, also glad you liked the section |
| 17:15.57 | drom | I've gotten no responses from the universities I've applied to |
| 17:15.58 | drom | Yet |
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| 17:20.39 | drom | Wormy_ Technobliterator: Can't get any busier than this http://i.imgur.com/0l78Z3S.jpg |
| 17:48.58 | DrodoEmpire | That walk took *much* longer than I anticipated >.< |
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| 18:23.15 | Treebeard | Hello |
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| 18:25.18 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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| 18:31.32 | drom_ | Well, it went surprisingly smooth |
| 18:33.57 | drom | Now I need to get my ZNC client some SSL settings |
| 18:34.42 | Wormy_ | bbl, cooking dinner |
| 18:35.08 | drom | Time to move it, hope it does not flop by then |
| 18:49.44 | drom | Our router's all ethernet sockets are full. |
| 18:49.46 | drom | Fuck |
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| 18:56.47 | drom | Ah there it is again |
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| 19:05.33 | drom | Wormy_ Technobliterator: http://i.imgur.com/M73XY4P.jpg |
| 19:05.52 | drom | IRC-ing through the pictured microcomputer |
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| 19:30.23 | drom | ~test |
| 19:30.23 | infobot | i heard test is not funny |
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| 19:49.50 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 19:50.20 | mrrankings11 | hi |
| 19:50.31 | mrrankings11 | im here to seek advice |
| 19:51.08 | mrrankings11 | for my empire |
| 19:51.29 | mrrankings11 | so that the storys arnt total crap |
| 19:52.00 | Tek0516 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1467817349-20160706.png |
| 19:52.53 | mrrankings11 | lol |
| 19:53.20 | mrrankings11 | anyway can anyone give me advice |
| 19:53.29 | DrodoEmpire | Oh, hi |
| 19:53.36 | DrodoEmpire | Well, can we have a link? |
| 19:54.11 | mrrankings11 | there isnt much on the main page |
| 19:54.26 | DrodoEmpire | I asked for a link to the fiction. >.< |
| 19:54.31 | mrrankings11 | ill link a thread were i describe the concept to another user |
| 19:54.49 | DrodoEmpire | It, and also the fiction if you don't mind |
| 19:54.56 | DrodoEmpire | Both are useful |
| 19:55.31 | mrrankings11 | i dont have the fictoin posted yet |
| 19:55.48 | DrodoEmpire | Right- what about your nation? |
| 19:56.53 | mrrankings11 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:214030 |
| 19:57.00 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mikendem_empire and http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Wone and http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Vaxoneons |
| 19:57.22 | DrodoEmpire | Ah, thanks you two |
| 19:57.51 | DrodoEmpire | I guess I'll look at your fiction idea first |
| 19:58.32 | DrodoEmpire | So they're an enormous race of creatures? |
| 19:58.51 | mrrankings11 | yes |
| 19:59.03 | mrrankings11 | thell all the size of epics |
| 19:59.13 | mrrankings11 | there huge |
| 19:59.46 | DrodoEmpire | Hm. |
| 20:00.17 | DrodoEmpire | And they sometimes terraform worlds by enlarging them? |
| 20:00.35 | Hachiman | What |
| 20:00.36 | mrrankings11 | gtg |
| 20:00.50 | DrodoEmpire | Alright. See you soon |
| 20:00.50 | mrrankings11 | will be back latr |
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| 20:01.00 | drom | Excellent |
| 20:01.32 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 20:01.34 | mrrankings11 | bye |
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| 21:30.29 | mrrankings11 | hi |
| 21:31.01 | mrrankings11 | im back |
| 21:33.36 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 21:34.06 | mrrankings11 | ok so what do you think |
| 21:34.11 | DrodoEmpire | Well... |
| 21:34.20 | DrodoEmpire | How large exactly are these creatures? |
| 21:34.41 | mrrankings11 | as big as an epic |
| 21:35.11 | DrodoEmpire | Okay... So like fifty to a hundred feet tall then? |
| 21:35.22 | DrodoEmpire | If I remember how tall an epic is... |
| 21:35.39 | DrodoEmpire | Well here's the problem |
| 21:36.06 | DrodoEmpire | If a being's too big, especially too big relative to its surroundings, then it can't reproduce and grow quickly |
| 21:36.16 | DrodoEmpire | And they need a *lot* of food to survive |
| 21:36.55 | DrodoEmpire | Needing a ton of food and only reproducing slowly aren't good things when founding a civilization |
| 21:37.04 | mrrankings11 | well if you read the thread you would realize something |
| 21:37.12 | DrodoEmpire | And what is that? |
| 21:37.13 | mrrankings11 | there planet is huge |
| 21:37.22 | DrodoEmpire | And the fauna is huge as well? |
| 21:37.23 | mrrankings11 | like extremly huge |
| 21:37.27 | mrrankings11 | yes |
| 21:37.39 | mrrankings11 | think of it as this |
| 21:37.52 | Hachiman | Square law |
| 21:38.00 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah... |
| 21:38.10 | DrodoEmpire | If we want to be realistic, a huge planet means huge gravity |
| 21:38.16 | DrodoEmpire | If its at all earth-like |
| 21:38.21 | OluapTop | Huge creatures need smaller planets |
| 21:38.22 | mrrankings11 | you have a regular planet and you scale it up along with every thing on it. |
| 21:38.32 | Hachiman | Again, square law# |
| 21:38.34 | OluapTop | That's not how gravity works |
| 21:38.43 | OluapTop | Huge planet = small creatures |
| 21:38.45 | Hachiman | Bigger planets = looser gravity |
| 21:38.46 | DrodoEmpire | Right, but beyond my concerns there's physics |
| 21:39.03 | mrrankings11 | well this isnt reality |
| 21:39.11 | Hachiman | No but this isn't fantasy either |
| 21:39.15 | mrrankings11 | true |
| 21:39.23 | OluapTop | Fictionverse obeys the laws of physics |
| 21:39.27 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh |
| 21:39.29 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 21:39.30 | DrodoEmpire | For the most part |
| 21:39.41 | Hachiman | If there's no magic involved, it does |
| 21:39.47 | Wormy_ | Hello |
| 21:39.49 | DrodoEmpire | We play fast and loose with it but things need to obey the basics yes |
| 21:39.58 | mrrankings11 | well im sure i can come up with some explainatoin |
| 21:40.27 | DrodoEmpire | Well look at it like this- if they're huge, and everything else is to to the point that they wouldn't realise they're huge- why are they huge in the first place? |
| 21:40.31 | mrrankings11 | like genetic mulnipulatoin |
| 21:40.32 | DrodoEmpire | What does it add? |
| 21:40.45 | Hachiman | No amount of genetic manipulation will change square law |
| 21:40.54 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 21:41.01 | mrrankings11 | anyway it adds this |
| 21:41.10 | mrrankings11 | when they get to space |
| 21:41.30 | mrrankings11 | then they are huge compared to everything else |
| 21:41.43 | Hachiman | But what does that achieve |
| 21:41.49 | mrrankings11 | there basicly epics |
| 21:41.50 | DrodoEmpire | ...Yes, but why would that be good or necessary? |
| 21:41.58 | mrrankings11 | well |
| 21:42.02 | DrodoEmpire | That just stifles their ability to colonise a lot of worlds |
| 21:42.13 | OluapTop | There are several races of giant aliens in the setting already |
| 21:42.21 | mrrankings11 | i wanted to create a scenaryo were epics are civilized |
| 21:42.45 | mrrankings11 | and i didnt know about dem giant aleins |
| 21:42.48 | DrodoEmpire | Right, and I suppose you can- but they may need to be a *bit* smaller for reasons of practicality |
| 21:42.50 | Hachiman | If I recall, *most* aliens in the setting are larger than baseline humans by a significant margin |
| 21:43.01 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah but not fifty/hundred feet tall big |
| 21:43.16 | Hachiman | And the actual *giant* aliens are literally space drifters as far as I know |
| 21:43.19 | mrrankings11 | i want to create a giant alein |
| 21:43.34 | DrodoEmpire | You can, but you have to keep in mind what we're saying |
| 21:43.39 | mrrankings11 | so im going to find away to make it work |
| 21:43.48 | mrrankings11 | i am |
| 21:43.49 | DrodoEmpire | Then talk to us about it |
| 21:43.55 | Wormy_ | If you want big creatures of about a hundred feet in size or so on an Earth-sized planet, you could go for aquatic animals where buoyancy can play a role, or perhaps *really* dense atmosphere, but that complicates other things. |
| 21:43.58 | mrrankings11 | wait |
| 21:44.08 | Hachiman | In short, it won't work - not at the scale you're talking |
| 21:44.22 | mrrankings11 | isnt there a beam that can enlarge a creature in spore |
| 21:44.23 | DrodoEmpire | Not necessarily Hachi, but its gonna be hard to do |
| 21:44.40 | Hachiman | Yes and Spore does not abide by the laws of physics |
| 21:44.52 | mrrankings11 | wait |
| 21:44.57 | Wormy_ | There's no explanation about how the beam works |
| 21:44.59 | DrodoEmpire | Well, yes, but nobody's going to enlarge an entire species |
| 21:45.19 | OluapTop | The fictionverse is only loosely related to the game |
| 21:45.20 | mrrankings11 | i will create a race to fullfill that purpose |
| 21:45.58 | mrrankings11 | also if i have to shrink the planet i will |
| 21:46.20 | DrodoEmpire | Right, so here's a few things that you'll need to keep in mind then |
| 21:46.29 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 21:46.37 | DrodoEmpire | Big creatures don't really work on big, high-gravity worlds because of the physics |
| 21:46.48 | mrrankings11 | i know |
| 21:47.00 | Wormy_ | Okay, there's nothing to stop you doing those things. But without explanation or consistency, the quality of the fic will go down. |
| 21:47.17 | DrodoEmpire | Big creatures also reproduce slowly and need a huge amount of food- this makes food production, which is what every civilization's based on- difficult |
| 21:47.25 | mrrankings11 | i know thats why im working on an explanatoin |
| 21:47.35 | DrodoEmpire | It'll need to be a brilliant explanation |
| 21:47.38 | Wormy_ | ^ |
| 21:48.04 | DrodoEmpire | In all, I think your largest challenge *will be* to actually explain how such a civilization works |
| 21:48.33 | DrodoEmpire | Because if these are big creatures with limited space- how will they produce enough crops to feed a city of even ten-thousand? |
| 21:48.36 | mrrankings11 | well |
| 21:48.56 | DrodoEmpire | (Which is the absolute minimum for a chiefdom- a step below a state when it comes to civilizations) |
| 21:49.04 | DrodoEmpire | (Well, either 10 or 50 000) |
| 21:49.25 | mrrankings11 | i cant shrink the planet |
| 21:49.41 | DrodoEmpire | You'll have to make it a low-gravity world for big creatures |
| 21:49.47 | mrrankings11 | or break dem laws of physics |
| 21:50.06 | mrrankings11 | im going to do some research |
| 21:50.15 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 21:52.32 | Wormy_ | Breaking laws of physics requires magic/hyperspace in the SporeWikiverse setting, but going back to what Drodo said earlier, why is it necessary to create something interesting or original to have epics? |
| 21:52.59 | mrrankings11 | wait |
| 21:53.42 | mrrankings11 | if the creatures were to evolve with extremely strong muscles |
| 21:53.56 | Wormy_ | There's a time and place in the setting where you might want epics of law breaking, but that setting is crucial. Stand-alone, it doesn't really say much about itself other than "epic creatures live here, because they are cool" |
| 21:54.54 | Hachiman | Extremely strong muscles still do not fix the problem |
| 21:54.55 | Wormy_ | Even stronger the muscle = more mass, which also means it would scale up very quickly |
| 21:55.11 | mrrankings11 | im know this |
| 21:55.15 | Wormy_ | As in, the weight of the animal |
| 21:55.26 | mrrankings11 | thats why im giving them the muscles |
| 21:55.46 | DrodoEmpire | Well the thing is that its sorta self-defeating |
| 21:55.49 | Hachiman | No, muscles do not fix the problem |
| 21:55.49 | Wormy_ | But eventually it will be too massive for any muscle to support. Biological limits |
| 21:56.02 | DrodoEmpire | To hold up more mass, you need more muscles, which add more mass |
| 21:56.05 | Wormy_ | You also need to feed that animal |
| 21:56.09 | DrodoEmpire | And then yeah there's a limit |
| 21:56.20 | DrodoEmpire | And then you need to feed it, and big animals need lots of food |
| 21:56.26 | mrrankings11 | the planet it big and so are the fona |
| 21:56.30 | DrodoEmpire | And big animals are also slow to repreduce |
| 21:56.41 | Wormy_ | It needs to not break every bone in its body when it falls over |
| 21:56.53 | DrodoEmpire | Is the planet rocky |
| 21:56.54 | DrodoEmpire | *? |
| 21:57.05 | mrrankings11 | well no |
| 21:57.16 | DrodoEmpire | So the world isn't earth-like. |
| 21:57.51 | DrodoEmpire | What is it, then? If the world's at all earth-like, it'll be dense, which means a big world will also have high gravity |
| 21:57.54 | mrrankings11 | well not exacley earth like |
| 21:57.56 | DrodoEmpire | Which means no massive animals |
| 21:58.35 | mrrankings11 | its a planet |
| 21:58.41 | mrrankings11 | and so is earth |
| 21:59.10 | DrodoEmpire | ...Yes, and |
| 21:59.12 | DrodoEmpire | *? |
| 21:59.23 | mrrankings11 | thats it |
| 21:59.35 | DrodoEmpire | Uhm, then what's your point? |
| 21:59.51 | mrrankings11 | thats something earth and molindues has in commin |
| 22:00.17 | DrodoEmpire | Well I figured both were planets, but if this planet is at all similar then it'll have high-gravitt if its bug |
| 22:00.19 | DrodoEmpire | *big |
| 22:00.29 | DrodoEmpire | Which rules out big animals or fauna |
| 22:00.44 | mrrankings11 | well its differnt earth in many ways |
| 22:00.48 | DrodoEmpire | How so? |
| 22:02.22 | Wormy_ | Relatively, the bigger the muscle gets, the weaker it is for the animal's mass compared to smaller animals http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/dino/hokkanen/Size-Hokkanen.html |
| 22:02.23 | mrrankings11 | for intance it is farther from the sun |
| 22:02.42 | mrrankings11 | well not the sun but its start |
| 22:03.05 | DrodoEmpire | How would that affect gravity? |
| 22:03.30 | mrrankings11 | well |
| 22:03.53 | mrrankings11 | wit wouldnt |
| 22:03.57 | mrrankings11 | however |
| 22:04.21 | mrrankings11 | wait |
| 22:04.28 | mrrankings11 | i just realized |
| 22:04.50 | mrrankings11 | what would happen if it had an insanely thic atmosphere |
| 22:05.44 | mrrankings11 | and it had a low desity |
| 22:06.04 | DrodoEmpire | what would |
| 22:06.06 | DrodoEmpire | *? |
| 22:06.22 | DrodoEmpire | (Also- a low-density world would help your problems a lot) |
| 22:06.43 | mrrankings11 | your right |
| 22:07.06 | mrrankings11 | i should make it have a desity |
| 22:07.18 | mrrankings11 | and thats what i said |
| 22:07.23 | mrrankings11 | so |
| 22:07.44 | mrrankings11 | we have a found a way to have big creatures |
| 22:07.46 | mrrankings11 | yay |
| 22:07.58 | DrodoEmpire | Eh, well |
| 22:08.04 | mrrankings11 | or is there another problem |
| 22:08.07 | DrodoEmpire | Part of the way to have massive fauna |
| 22:08.23 | DrodoEmpire | Well no, that'll allow you to have massive fauna, but probably not quite as massive |
| 22:08.24 | DrodoEmpire | Not sure |
| 22:08.30 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_? |
| 22:08.53 | Wormy_ | A thick atmosphere with higher density and viscosity would be helpful, since drag dominates over gravity. Aquatic animals reach such huge sizes because they are both buyant and have shapes that can fight against drag. |
| 22:09.07 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 22:09.22 | Wormy_ | But it wouldn't help much - your epics might look like flying whales |
| 22:09.25 | mrrankings11 | so we should make it have a high density |
| 22:09.40 | mrrankings11 | SPACE WHALES |
| 22:10.03 | Wormy_ | They probably wouldn't be much bigger than whales on Earth either |
| 22:10.19 | mrrankings11 | Ok |
| 22:10.24 | mrrankings11 | so |
| 22:10.32 | Wormy_ | Actually, flying animals that are what sized would still require lower gravity |
| 22:10.39 | Wormy_ | *that are whale |
| 22:10.42 | mrrankings11 | would a low desity world help |
| 22:10.57 | Wormy_ | Why don't you want a lower gravity planet? |
| 22:11.13 | mrrankings11 | i do |
| 22:11.15 | Wormy_ | This would be enormously more helpful |
| 22:11.37 | mrrankings11 | but then i would have to scale the planet back down |
| 22:12.09 | Wormy_ | Could you explain to my why you don't want it smaller? |
| 22:12.09 | mrrankings11 | witch would cause the problem of were the epics would live |
| 22:13.17 | mrrankings11 | wouldnt it make it harder for them to find space to live |
| 22:13.34 | Wormy_ | I don't think that's a problem you should worry about too much. |
| 22:13.35 | mrrankings11 | wait |
| 22:13.50 | mrrankings11 | perhaps thats why they want to leave the planet |
| 22:14.26 | DrodoEmpire | After a long time and overpopulation sets in, maybe so |
| 22:14.40 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 22:14.58 | Wormy_ | The problem of large creatures needing space for resources is a problem of any planet |
| 22:15.17 | mrrankings11 | well that means im going to have to change some thigs with the histery im currenly writing |
| 22:15.24 | mrrankings11 | but its ok |
| 22:15.36 | DrodoEmpire | Don't forget you have the problem of civilization |
| 22:15.39 | Wormy_ | However, in terms of space there'd still be a huge surface area on even a Mars sized planet |
| 22:15.51 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 22:16.07 | mrrankings11 | its not going to be too big |
| 22:16.09 | DrodoEmpire | Massive creatures need a lot of food and reproduce slowly- and food production is the first and most important step in civilization |
| 22:16.21 | mrrankings11 | ok well |
| 22:16.22 | DrodoEmpire | (farming, herding, etc.) |
| 22:16.44 | mrrankings11 | perhaps the planet has an insane amount of vegitatoin |
| 22:17.05 | DrodoEmpire | Earth has an insane amount of vegitation as well |
| 22:17.25 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 22:17.29 | DrodoEmpire | But only so much of it is edible, and only a tiny handful of those species can actually be farmed and used by humans |
| 22:17.39 | mrrankings11 | well |
| 22:17.54 | mrrankings11 | im going to make earth jealus |
| 22:17.57 | DrodoEmpire | And humans are much smaller and require much less food |
| 22:18.05 | DrodoEmpire | So agriculture works fine here |
| 22:18.07 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 22:18.10 | mrrankings11 | first off |
| 22:18.16 | Wormy_ | Generally low gravity planets will simply have taller creatures - energy to support such creatures would be less of a problem. But the *epically* size d creatures on such a planet would have the same problem with resources |
| 22:18.22 | mrrankings11 | the planet has no salt water |
| 22:18.26 | DrodoEmpire | How? |
| 22:18.35 | DrodoEmpire | But increase the food requirement massively, and you need bigger and bigger crops and crop output |
| 22:18.37 | mrrankings11 | becouse it has no salt |
| 22:18.41 | DrodoEmpire | How? |
| 22:18.57 | DrodoEmpire | Salt is literally *everywhere*, it is one of the most basic compounds there are |
| 22:18.58 | mrrankings11 | becouse there is no salt on the planet |
| 22:19.11 | Wormy_ | Salt also is really useful |
| 22:19.15 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:19.21 | mrrankings11 | well its deep underground |
| 22:19.21 | DrodoEmpire | That too, salt is important for Earth life |
| 22:19.23 | mrrankings11 | then |
| 22:19.27 | DrodoEmpire | So is a lot of water |
| 22:19.35 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 22:19.41 | Wormy_ | All plants need some level of salt to survive |
| 22:19.59 | mrrankings11 | how about we start with a small populatoin of epics |
| 22:20.12 | DrodoEmpire | I presume they started with a small population |
| 22:20.13 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 22:20.15 | DrodoEmpire | But okay |
| 22:21.01 | mrrankings11 | if you want you can read the unfinished history i made for them |
| 22:21.38 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 22:21.41 | Wormy_ | Sure |
| 22:23.34 | mrrankings11 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:214030 |
| 22:23.49 | mrrankings11 | i dont have it on the main page yet |
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| 22:29.15 | mrrankings11 | hi oluaptop |
| 22:33.48 | mrrankings11 | . |
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| 22:41.00 | mrrankings11 | are you guys |
| 22:41.05 | mrrankings11 | there |
| 22:41.50 | Wormy_ | yep |
| 22:47.08 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 22:54.24 | mrrankings11 | so what do you think |
| 23:08.05 | Wormy_ | I haven't got much to add to it |
| 23:12.05 | mrrankings11 | is it good |
| 23:12.09 | mrrankings11 | or bad |
| 23:12.14 | mrrankings11 | or ok |
| 23:28.24 | Wormy_ | Too little there for me to judge. I think it could certainly be great with a lot of work. Really think about the planet and constraints of nature, rather than obstacles, one can work out a solution or inspiration and develop something original. |
| 23:28.55 | Wormy_ | *rather than seeing constraints as obstacles |
| 23:29.20 | Wormy_ | They force one to think in a new way and enrich detail |
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| 23:31.37 | Wormy_ | Say you went for a low gravity planet. What would it be like on such a world? Can they support the evolution of complex life? And if they can, how would it effect civilisation on it? How big are the creatures? What are their abilities in low gravity? |
| 23:31.45 | Wormy_ | These are all things to chew over |
| 23:32.19 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 23:34.48 | Wormy_ | Personally I think there are geological problems for life sustaining low gravity worlds (of Mars mass), but moons are possibilities for very diminutive planets, or perhaps subterran life |
| 23:34.48 | mrrankings11 | also im making another story |
| 23:35.39 | DrodoEmpire | One thing at a time |
| 23:35.51 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 23:36.15 | Wormy_ | Of course your planet doesn't need to be that small - in fact you could probably work out or ask people to do it for you to get the right gravity for the sizes of creatures you want |
| 23:36.26 | mrrankings11 | The empire started on a giant planet called "Molindues" They were always a divided race. There are 6 main country's that were in Molindues. The vonisun. The glotcheabah., the clolinick, the werirome, the ladibie, and the dosibon. For the most part times were peaceful. Intell at one point in time the Dosibon decided to betray the rest of countrys. Because of this the other countrys had to fight back. In the end Ladibie was extr |
| 23:36.53 | Wormy_ | Yeah - I'm not suggesting you do any of these things listed, I just want to throw out possibilities |
| 23:37.07 | mrrankings11 | completely destroyed. Thou you may think with the traitor gone that it would be a time of peace omce again, it wasn't. See many of the people in the country's were so shoocken by the war that people began to fear eachouther as they were afraid a war could happen at any moment. The government officials began to fear as well. As each country grew more and more away from echouther the more and more the fear turned into agro. This |
| 23:37.13 | mrrankings11 | ok |
| 23:37.33 | mrrankings11 | Entell one day a object fell from the sky. A alein ship. When a scout found the ship they instantly notified general "Kahindah" in witch case he orderd some scientists to salvage the strange ship and see what they can get out of it. With the work of the C.S.A.T.R.o (colinick science and technology research operations) they successfully were able to recreate a rough prototype of a working space ship. (Thats all I have so far) |
| 23:37.48 | mrrankings11 | ill remember the suggestoins |
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| 23:40.18 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 23:40.55 | Wormy_ | What did Dosibon do to betray nations of Molindues? |
| 23:40.58 | Wormy_ | Hi |
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