IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160703

00:40.01DrodoEmpireSo I caved and bought ARK
00:47.39MonetDo you think your computer can handle it?
00:48.14DrodoEmpireWell, it can run Shogun 2 *really* well, if that means anything
00:48.36DrodoEmpireIt can run CoH2 well as well on lower settings (I didn't test higher ones)
00:48.47MonetThen you might manage ARK
00:48.58DrodoEmpireMy prediction is that if I keep the settings low then I'll be fine
00:57.48Monethttp://img06.deviantart.net/eadd/i/2016/184/9/b/artstream___space_monster_by_spacer176-da8nf6j.png ta-daa
00:59.00DrodoEmpireAw man, that looks awesome! :D
01:14.38The_RandomnessI'm suddenly reminded of that scene from The Force Awakens where there's that space monster running around the ship eating everyone
01:15.10DrodoEmpireYeah
01:15.15DrodoEmpireIts a great writing prompt
01:24.55The_RandomnessDJO never disappoints https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TylOtznJ-8U
01:25.10MonetActually yeah I see what you mean
01:25.54DrodoEmpireRandomness: wat
01:26.36The_RandomnessDrodoEmpire: They make a lot of videos where they dub over stuff with nonsensical dialogue
01:26.51DrodoEmpireSeems so... XD
01:26.55DrodoEmpirePretty funny actually
01:27.29DrodoEmpireWhat's worse is that it seems to match the lips so well
01:30.59The_Randomnessyep
03:03.11The_Randomnessbrb
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03:53.40The_Randomnessyay my computer finished updating
03:54.11Tek0516Yay
04:01.39The_RandomnessApparently something was goofy with my computer, so eventually Windows said "Hey, you need to install this update for whatever reason"
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09:49.10Charles_MurrayHey
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10:44.01Charles_Murraytest
10:49.43MonetHelo
10:51.11TreebeardHello
10:53.30TreebeardMonet: What is used to edit the map of Koldenwelt's territories?
10:53.53MonetPaint.Net
10:54.14TreebeardAlright
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11:19.28HachimanHi
11:19.47MonetHi
11:20.22TreebeardHello
11:28.16ImpyDroidMonet: Rawr that monster looks cool
11:28.26ImpyDroidReminds me of the goblins from Gravity Falls
11:29.00MonetThat's interesting because I haven't seen a single episode of Gravity Falls.
11:31.02Charles_MurrayMonet ImpyDroid Treebeard : Prototype for France's next strategic bomber http://imgur.com/sSwe7B0
11:31.09Charles_MurrayWhat do you guys think?
11:31.38ImpyDroidCharles_Murray: Alexandre the Hipster
11:31.50ImpyDroidVintage bombers are SOOOO 2812
11:31.50Charles_MurrayHow so?
11:32.24ImpyDroidI remember you rationalising that but that plane looks a bit too... non-futuristic or something
11:32.36ImpyDroidHence "vintage bomber"
11:32.42Charles_MurrayThe BS-100 has been in service since 2779, it's time to get a new one xD
11:32.55ImpyDroidActually how about you actually call it "Vintage"
11:33.35ImpyDroidWell the older bombers did not look particularily futuristic either
11:33.43ImpyDroidActually
11:33.46HachimanIs that for spatial or atmospheric combat?
11:33.58Charles_MurrayBoth
11:34.07ImpyDroidWas that your intention to make it more similar to modern-day planes?
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11:34.23ImpyDroidIf so google for Warhammer 40k Imperial Guard vehicles
11:34.24HachimanI don't really get the practicality of its design for spatial combat, like with the wings and such
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11:34.29Charles_MurrayYes... It's a strat bomber. It looks like a strat bomber.
11:34.56ImpyDroidYeah but I think it needs a little something to make it look fancier or something
11:34.58Charles_MurrayHachiman : It it meant to be able to operate in space and in an atmosphere, hence the wings
11:35.03HachimanAh, right
11:35.08MonetTo be fair, the general look of military jet aircraft hasn't changed much in 40 years.
11:35.08Charles_MurrayLike the fancy space engines in the back?
11:35.08HachimanOf course
11:35.39ImpyDroid40k Guard actually does that well, its vehicles are very old-fashioned but there are certain elements that make them fit in the world of the future
11:36.25HachimanI do not think we should really be complaining considering the DCP utilised the design of a human bomber or carrier or something at some point
11:36.37HachimanLike, a WW2-style vehicle
11:36.49HachimanI cannot remember what it was, but it was a big fuck-off plane for sure
11:36.56Charles_MurrayB-17
11:37.06HachimanThat was it
11:37.09ImpyDroidBut that was Wormy being sentimental
11:37.22MonetThe Harrier Jump Jet hasn't changed much externally since it's first flight in 1967.
11:37.33TreebeardPerhaps it would appear more futuristic if the wings could fold inwards to make it a smaller target in space.
11:38.06Treebeardbbl
11:38.15ImpyDroidhttp://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/newigcodexruss.jpg Here is what I am talking about
11:38.32ImpyDroidVery old fashioned shape but also more futuristic weaponry and painting
11:38.42HachimanThis all reminds me of one episode of Doctor Who where a bunch of WW2-era Britons use Spitfires to fight a small Dalek fleet
11:39.03HachimanAugmented Spitfires, granted, in that they could breach Earth's atmosphere to fight in space
11:39.17ImpyDroidhttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101101065235/warhammer40k/images/d/dc/Imperial_Navy_Lightning.jpg Or look at their planes
11:39.52MonetMaybe France's jets use a French refinement of the SABRE SSTO engine?
11:40.54ImpyDroiddata:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxAQEBUQEBMVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUXFhUVFhUWFhUVFRUYHyggGBolHRUWITEhJSkrLi8uFx8zODMtNygtLisBCgoKDg0OGxAQGi0lHSUtKystLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tKy0tLS0tLS0tLS0rLS0tLS0tLSstLS0rLS0tLS0tLS0tLf/AABEIAK0BJAMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAcAAABBQEBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIDBAUGBwj/xAA9EAABAwIEAwYEBQIEBwEAAAABAAIRAyEEBRIxQVFhBhMicYGRMkKh0SOxweHwUmIUgpLSBxYzNHKi8ST/xAAYAQEBAQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIDBP/EAB4RAQEBAAIDAAMAAAAAA
11:40.54ImpyDroid<PROTECTED>
11:40.54ImpyDroidoops
11:41.25GhelaeHachiman: I then made a picture of the DCP's B17s attacking a Dalek ship based on that episode.
11:41.30HachimanNice
11:42.59GhelaeOh, yeah; here it is: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/08/VictoryOfTheGrimbolsaurians.png/revision/latest?cb=20100823132635
11:43.05GhelaeNearly 6 years old now, that picture.
11:43.26HachimanDamn
11:44.31Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonoid_Empire lmao
11:45.09MonetI myself was thinking of taking the French approach to starfighter designs for the NBC
11:45.34ImpyDroidWhat is that with everyone and their mother making dragons in Spore
11:45.54HachimanYeah, dragons in Spore is such an outdated and stale premise
11:46.22ImpyDroidI mean
11:46.25MonetI'm more influenced though by the Lockheed Martin F-35 though https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/RNoAF-F-35-maneuvering.jpg
11:46.33ImpyDroidAlmost everyone here has some sort of dragons as one of their main fiction
11:47.16MonetEven if the F-35 is very overdesigned and unreliable at the moment
11:51.06MonetI'm still slightly surprised I managed to claim the species name "Draconis" here even tohugh SPore had been out for three years.
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12:02.03HachimanTo be fair, dragons do not do themselves any justice
12:02.07HachimanEuropean dragons, that is
12:02.54MonetHow do we know that jsut isn't propaganda?
12:04.34MonetBut I guess the aggression is understandable when they have countless do-gooder knights waltzing into their homes to try and chop their heads off and steal their money.
12:04.56HachimanYes, money they stole or forced from others
12:06.24MonetLikely treasure local barons stole either form each other or local peasants.
12:07.08HachimanI do not see dragons considering the idea of returning that treasure hur
12:08.18MonetIf they did it might cause hyper-inflation.
12:11.16MonetAlso ever thought that stolen money might be retribution?
12:11.55Monet"you send knights into my home ot kill me and steal my stuff? Let's see how you like it"
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12:15.48Wormy_hi
12:15.52MonetHi
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12:17.00Wormy_Hachiman:  Went to a punk gig at a pub last night, Radical Dance Factory, met someone I haven't seen in 18 years
12:17.09HachimanOh cool
12:17.28Wormy_Raical Dance Faction
12:18.03Wormy_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW3FUP6S0aM
12:22.11Wormy_They mix punk rock, ska and dub (though it wasn't too dubby, as I don't like dub)
12:28.32Charles_MurrayMonet Wormy ImpyDroid Treebeard|Away : Another prototype http://imgur.com/u7RuJ4R
12:29.56MonetI love the wings
12:31.18Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/wnIYur8
12:31.35Wormy_nice work
12:34.05Wormy_Hachiman http://imgur.com/gallery/MVff1
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12:40.43AdmiralPandahi all
12:47.27HachimanSo, I am watching a video of the apparent auroras that have been spotted by NASA over Jupiter's north pole
12:47.43HachimanDifficult to believe those are real
12:48.15DrodoEmpireHuh, cool
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12:56.16DrodoEmpireHi
13:03.57ImpyDroidCharles_Murray: Ooh that looks fancy
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13:04.18ImpyDroidOne thing I think is missing though, try adding something that would suggest it is capable of vertical thrust
13:04.37ImpyDroidLike big holes with propellers inside inside of wings
13:05.41ImpyDroidOr some sorts of thrusters that can turn around
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13:08.19Charles_MurrayImpyDroid : Those might add to its already considerable weight and drag down its maneuverability even further
13:08.30Wormy_bbl
13:08.32Charles_MurrayVTOL capability isn't very important, it can just use a runway
13:09.08Charles_MurrayOr maneuver itself in using small thrusters in the case of a space landing
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13:09.09JepardiHi
13:10.19DrodoEmpireHi
13:10.24TreebeardHello
13:10.39DrodoEmpirehttp://imgur.com/gallery/3Ha8ugY
13:10.40HachimanBut runways are also inefficient and not always readily-available
13:11.48DrodoEmpireWell, I mean, French carriers *are* several kilometres long on average and there's bound to be a runway within 20 000 light years <.<
13:12.34Charles_MurrayWell, if they're landing on a carrier in space, they can pull off a VTOL given that there's no gravity or air under the wings
13:12.54ImpyDroidCharles_Murray: Rite, small thrusters
13:13.35Charles_MurrayBut in an atmosphere, they're going to need a runway. And those are pretty easy to create, just have an engineer or logistics team take a bulldozer and clear one out
13:13.56ImpyDroidActually wait, wouldn't thrusters inside of wings be not really that heavy
13:14.12Charles_MurrayThe wings carry fuel
13:15.01Charles_MurrayThough that's not a bad idea at all
13:16.47TreebeardHello
13:17.05Charles_MurrayIn this case I imagine the French went for no thrusters in the wings to (1) reduce the complexity of the craft (more movable parts = more likely something breaks), (2) increase the space for fuel, and in this craft fuel time is an absolute necessity to increase range, and (3) bring down the cost of the aircraft
13:17.07TreebeardOops, that was an accident
13:17.12Charles_MurrayHey ^.^
13:18.11Charles_MurrayI hope that makes sense?
13:18.42TreebeardYes
13:21.54ImpyDroidYesh
13:21.57ImpyDroid*Yeah
13:22.04ImpyDroidSo more simplistic
13:22.23ImpyDroidRight if you go in that direction you could perhaps go for simpler colouration
13:22.46ImpyDroidI find the simple "shiny" texture for vehicles very striking personally
13:23.08ImpyDroidThe second texture in the first row that comes after the "no texture" one
13:23.16ImpyDroidThe shiny lack of texture
13:23.27Charles_MurrayI like that one too, I think I used it in the cockpit ;)
13:23.31Charles_MurrayOr is it the one next to it?
13:24.23ImpyDroidNah, that is the metal one
13:24.31Charles_MurrayAhhh
13:24.45ImpyDroidI am talking about the two default blue textures at the very top left corner of the first page
13:24.55Charles_MurrayOh, I see
13:25.05ImpyDroid"Matte no texture" and "shiny no texture"
13:25.28Charles_MurrayIt's a very sophisticated piece of equipment, don't get me wrong. It has shielding, navigation, the latest French hyperdrive technology can offer, etc, but it won't add unnecessary complexity or cost to the craft. VTOL isn't very useful when you can just draw a straight dirt line somewhere
13:26.20ImpyDroidHachiman: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36696568 wow
13:27.20HachimanHuh
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14:13.04Groxkiller98Heya,.
14:14.08Groxkiller98Still failing at my Teyan's outfitting. So I decided to repaint them instead. I'm not sure what to do with them. :|
14:14.33Groxkiller98Might ask Xho when he's back. He's good at outfitting stuff, right?
14:15.08HachimanI would go with Imp personally
14:15.34Groxkiller98Not seen many of Imp's outfits.
14:16.24Charles_MurrayThey're pretty awesome
14:16.49Groxkiller98Link?
14:17.59Groxkiller98I also realise I'm going to need to remake my captain Camba, since he's a Teyan. >_>
14:18.24Groxkiller98And probably also my profile pic. I use Camba for that.
14:24.55Groxkiller98Anything else going on?
14:27.20DrodoEmpireNot really
14:54.30Charles_Murraytest
14:55.28Groxkiller98Everyone got really quiet. :|
14:56.02OluapPlayerPeople only talk when they have things to say
14:56.07AdmiralPandaI'm playing Dark Souls 3 so
14:56.17Groxkiller98I have nothing to do. >_>
14:56.32OluapPlayerdork souls
14:56.36OluapPlayerDid you finish the game yet?
14:56.46AdmiralPandamhm, several times
14:56.54OluapPlayernito
14:56.56AdmiralPandaand done all three endings
14:57.14Groxkiller98Isn't DS supposed to be really hard?
14:57.24OluapPlayerNo
14:57.24AdmiralPandait's challenging in a fair way
14:57.33MonetYou die a lot.
14:57.33Groxkiller98Fair enough.
14:57.35OluapPlayerChallenging but fair, not hard
14:57.39OluapPlayerIt being hard is a meme
14:59.03Groxkiller98I asked Impy to help me but he won't reply. :c
14:59.28OluapPlayerHe'll reply when he's available
15:00.55Cyrannianhttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/ea/Republica02.png/revision/latest?cb=20150704222904 - Take a look
15:01.00MonetI'm starting ot wonder now what the distinction between 'challenging' and 'hard' is
15:01.18Groxkiller98Nice ship.
15:02.15OluapPlayerChallenging = takes effort        Hard = is difficult to do even with effort
15:02.26OluapPlayerYou die in every game there is
15:02.38OluapPlayerExcept of course those where dying is not a mechanic
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15:02.55MonetWell if something challenging takes effort then it's not easy is it.
15:03.34Groxkiller98Something challenging is hard - Something hard doesn't have to be challenging, because it can be unfair.
15:03.51MonetIf it's unfair then sure, maybe.
15:03.57Groxkiller98https://s32.postimg.org/jy5kn1cmt/Teyan_Female_V2.png https://s31.postimg.org/74x7b29ij/Teyan_Male_V2.png
15:04.06Groxkiller98My new Teyan.
15:04.14Groxkiller98Not shared them yet. Would like opinions.
15:04.28DrodoEmpire_The pictures given are a bit small
15:04.39Groxkiller98That's the file PNGs.
15:05.13DrodoEmpire_I know >.< Do you have a larger picture though?
15:05.18Groxkiller98You'd have to put them in your game to see them in the editor.
15:05.21Groxkiller98Nope. >_>
15:05.29DrodoEmpire_Right, right
15:05.34MonetNot even a screenshot?
15:05.37DrodoEmpire_They look alright from what I see, anywho
15:12.52Monethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GpFB6vXkmg for anyone who thinks the 50s was dry and conservative.
15:14.14DrodoEmpire_Yeah some of that's pretty racy even today
15:16.19MonetI know the 80s were called the "me" generation, but really youth culture most likely started way back in the 50s.
15:18.30MonetTwo couplets from Grease that always surprised me
15:19.17Monet"Tell me more, Tell me more | Did you get very far?" and "Tell me more, Tell me more | did she put up a fight?"
15:23.11MonetWhich explains a lot why Elvis, back in the day, was seen to be as controversial by older generations as someone like Lady GaGa is today.
15:32.19MonetI guess that's the thing to reflect on.
15:33.35MonetEvery generation the younger members will go mad over the latest trends while the older generations wil lsay everything's gone down the toilet.
15:41.21MonetOn a different matter I came across this http://www.humanxdesign.com/
15:41.28MonetLookign forward ot watching it next month
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15:46.56WormydroidHi
15:47.29Monethi
15:52.12WormydroidBritish users:  The whole Wonders of the Solar System series is on right now
15:52.17WormydroidOn Yesterday
15:55.35Charles_Murraytest
16:03.28Charles_MurrayAnyone seen dino today?
16:05.08MonetI haven't
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16:36.15OluapPlayerTechnobliterator: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/142/323/155.png
16:36.41Technobliteratorhahahahaha
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17:09.11HachimanImpyDroid: http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1467415944409.gif My new favourite .gif
17:29.59Tek0516Charles_Murray DrodoEmpire_: My EU4 nerdiness just paid off after identifying and explaining the Burgundian Cross and flag of Castile on a recreation of a Spanish galleon. :P
17:30.45DrodoEmpire_Oh cool
17:31.15Charles_Macniiice
17:31.16Charles_Maclol
17:35.42Tek0516i can't tell what this last one on it is though https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hw1hueqm/20160703_133220.jpg
17:36.54Charles_MacThat looks like Arabic to me
17:37.34DrodoEmpire_Yeah, that's my best guess
17:38.12AdmiralPandagiven that it's just writing with no images, Arabic is a good bet
17:39.00Hachimaninb4 it's ISIS
17:39.17Tek0516There's a line with marks below it but I'm not sure how clear they are at that zoom
17:45.43ImpyDroidTek0516: *Could* be Aramaic but probably just weird Arabic
17:48.13Tek0516All I know is it's presumably supposed to be a historical flag from Spain, from sometime when Spain used galleons.
17:50.01DrodoEmpire_I sorta want to get in to the whole CS:GO skins thing, but at the same time I don't want to blow 300$ on a virtual knife, no matter how kickass it looks
17:50.30HachimanPerhaps you should start up a YouTube channel to fund it
17:50.37HachimanA channel where you talk about drama and cringe
17:50.43DrodoEmpire_hur
17:50.45HachimanAnd say how much you want to die and kill yourself
17:51.09DrodoEmpire_Yeah, both commentaries *and* CS:GO traders are really crowded categories currently >.<
17:51.51DrodoEmpire_That being said being a youtuber would basically mean free skins :p
17:51.56DrodoEmpire_Especially if one's big enough
17:52.20Hachimanbrb
17:57.09DrodoEmpire_http://i.imgur.com/77yG7hr.jpg Let's be honest though, some of these skins *are* pretty cool
17:57.41DrodoEmpire_(This skin, depending on the actual case-hardened pattern which is randomized, can go for 20-60$)
18:26.54Tek0516Gah. I've checked practically every part of the Spainish Empire and I still can't find the flag. :/ Guess I lack enough historical flag data. To CK2. :P
18:34.08dromThinking thinking mmm
18:34.50dromIf I should try get back to modelling space/star-ships once when I've finished the contract
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18:53.24Charles_Mactest
18:59.45dromWormy_: I've grown some disbelief on ships that are not bulky
19:00.36Wormy_How come?
19:01.13dromIf you have your ships thin as pizza slices (glares at Star Wars destroyers), they are more likely to break apart
19:01.37DrodoEmpire_The ISD isn't thin by any means
19:01.38DrodoEmpire_:p
19:01.48dromCertainly
19:02.00DrodoEmpire_Have you *seen* a profile shot of it?
19:02.05dromThere are some renderations of these however, and they look like thin pizza slices
19:02.12DrodoEmpire_But they aren't
19:02.16dromTrue
19:02.20Wormy_SW ships can be big, but I get what you mean, thin top and bottom as opposed to huge hulks
19:02.24DrodoEmpire_So what the hell is your point?
19:02.25DrodoEmpire_:p
19:02.54DrodoEmpire_Again, looking at a profile shot, they aren't even that thin in proportion- they get progressively thicker near the centre
19:02.58dromDrodoEmpire_: Don't make ships that are slim or thin, if you consider structural intergrity.
19:03.17DrodoEmpire_Right, fair enough- but the ISD's a pretty bad example of that
19:03.24Wormy_However, I think it depends on the type of ship.  Actually a very thin and long cross-section is best for starships for another reason:  penetrating the interstellar medium
19:03.56Wormy_One could imagine AI probes in the future being like long poles structurally
19:04.54dromDrodoEmpire_: Imagine these, but smaller http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/homeworld/images/4/4f/Crew_transport_on_surface.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20071211185058
19:05.45dromFew shots on the top mid section is enough to re-enact the Titanic in space.
19:06.56Wormy_Tbh though, I don't care how big ships are - a kinetic impactor or two could be one shot kills
19:07.45Wormy_Of course it depends on whether the ship can detect or evade such weapons
19:07.59dromGetting hit always means the affected ship is doomed
19:08.12Wormy_Or whether the physics of that universe admits to things like shields or hyperspace
19:10.59Wormy_drom: You might like IoM warships
19:11.18dromOh?
19:12.10Wormy_Still thinner laterally, but a lot closer to being more box-like https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fd/3e/2f/fd3e2f1a902e2b09ed6aa5b2594fd634.jpg
19:12.50dromI am looking at this as well
19:12.50dromhttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/cc/b3/b2/ccb3b287cecc28d8864b1c55bdefd941.jpg
19:13.34Wormy_and pretty badarse http://s16.photobucket.com/user/neokensei/media/BFG.jpg.html
19:15.11dromAgain it depends on the imperial thickness and the power of weapon you are facing
19:15.52Wormy_Which could also reflect the distance of the space battle
19:17.17Wormy_If it involves a battle with high (even relativistic) velocities and distances, really your means of survival is based on speed, detection, ability to turn, and ability to launch counter-weapons.  And iit would probably involve kinetic weaponry
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19:18.05dromWormg_: Don't forget how aligned and angled both the vectors are
19:18.07Wormy_However, most universes ignore this stuff and go for WWII-esque naval warfare, but with magical technologies
19:18.08Groxkiller98Hey.
19:18.27dromThe lower entry point, the more likely it will be deflected
19:19.07Wormy_Well you'd be dealing with a six dimensional coordinates of position and velocity, and possibly time dilation factored in too
19:19.08dromThe lower angle of the entry point* (speaking of relative to the surface and 90 degrees mark)
19:19.46dromI see
19:20.17Wormy_My brain aches at the thought of a battlefield taking place with this many vectors
19:20.41Groxkiller98We talking about space warfare?
19:20.44dromWormy_: Kinetic involves mostly throwing things into space, and hope it hits the target, not ruining someone else's day 10,000 year later.
19:20.45Wormy_SporeWikiverse would have even more degrees of freedom:  hyperspace
19:20.53Wormy_yeah
19:21.17Wormy_Your target's only hope is to able to detect it in time and move off target
19:21.18Groxkiller98Just use Exterminatus. :3 Throw a planet into
19:21.26Groxkiller98it!
19:21.40dromWormy_: Depends on the speed, the only thing it cannot escape is light-based ones
19:21.44dromThat said, lasers.
19:22.27Wormy_Yeah you won't be able to escape those with any foreewarning, though fortunately the power of a laser diminishes with distance
19:22.28Groxkiller98Throw a planet at your enemies. Problem solved.
19:22.41Wormy_You have more chance against missiles or rocks being flung at you
19:22.56Groxkiller98Not when they're planet sized!
19:22.58dromThe advantage of it is you can shoot at something farther away, but you'd need to take account to the gravitional pull and distance, including the spread of the focused light beam.
19:23.48dromblack holes serves as a natural barrier, if not risky enough
19:23.53Groxkiller98A planet buster always works, no?
19:24.06Wormy_That, and gravitational effects can even bend the laser, though its probably insignigant for everything in the solar system except close to a star, and even then those effects could have been factored in by the targetter
19:24.34dromWormy_: "Slingshot" stars.
19:24.42Wormy_heh
19:24.47dromGotta love StarTrekkian physics
19:25.01dromServed best as cold and liquid
19:25.02Wormy_This is real physics
19:25.25Wormy_Now science fiction technologies may well make naval-style warfare possible, I dunno
19:25.30Wormy_Ir it make it worse
19:25.37dromI know Wormy_, I meant about there are various alienations of real physics. That aren't possible according to our book of physical theorems
19:25.46Groxkiller98I'm always going to work with Warhammer 40K tactics.
19:25.57Wormy_Oh like Star Trek's slingshot effect back in time?
19:26.03dromYeah
19:26.06Wormy_right
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19:28.38dromWormy_: Besides, if you exclude the spread of the focused beam, you could use sources of gravity as mirrors
19:28.54dromThey'll never know what hit them
19:29.15Wormy_I suppose you could, yeah
19:30.40dromWhat would stop you, however. Is the ludicrous time it takes for the beam to hit anything
19:31.00Wormy_I'll elaborate on why I think sci-fi tech makes it worse:  FTL and hyperspatial phyisics.  Now that completely changes not only how distance would work in a battlefield, but also temporally, one could have FTL forewarning for example
19:31.06dromAn innocent farm gets his farm destroyed by a world-ending beam several billions years later
19:31.13dromfarmer, even
19:31.52Wormy_Billions would be a bit too extreme
19:32.35Wormy_That means billions of years for the beam to lose its focus and be no more than a gamma ray burst faintly detected by satellites orbiting Earth
19:32.39Wormy_But I get the gist
19:32.56drom*thumbsup*
19:33.54Wormy_However the way we use hyperspace in the SporeWikiverse also allows for heat and excess momentum to be dumped in hyperspace
19:34.21Wormy_So perhaps kinetic impactors could easily be repelled by shields
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19:35.03Groxkiller98Damn internet. T_T
19:35.18dromWormy_: I once created a physics-defying weaponry, that would send slug objects near the speed of light.
19:35.22Wormy_That could probably slow space battles from one-shot pot-shots to actual slugfests we all enjoy
19:35.36Groxkiller98Say, anyone mind giving me ideas how to improve my Mithadorn's culture section? I think I need more for it. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mithadorn_Republic#Culture
19:35.41dromAny ship would be ruined regardless if they had the shields or not
19:35.54DrodoEmpire_Hm, speaking of weapons, I wonder if any sorta weapons systems/manufacturers from the 20th/21st century would survive to the 29th
19:35.56Wormy_How did it work?
19:35.58DrodoEmpire_I figure its possible
19:36.12DrodoEmpire_I mean, the gun company Beretta's been around since the 16th century
19:36.49dromWormy_: Cannons with barrels filled with super-conducting magnets and some handwave to isolate the magnetic fields.
19:36.52DrodoEmpire_And there are few weapons systems better than the kalashnikov- Its a really simple rifle system that'd be easy to update
19:37.05DrodoEmpire_So maybe there're AK... I dunno 890's somewhere
19:37.07Wormy_Unless we're all made of utility fog in the 29th century (still pretty much the same), I'm sure people will carry guns
19:37.21DrodoEmpire_Or just firearms descended from that system
19:37.46DrodoEmpire_Well no what I;m saying is any weapons systems/manufacturers would survive up to then
19:38.12dromDrodoEmpire_: 27th century AKs called "AK-666", or bust.
19:38.18DrodoEmpire_hur
19:38.31DrodoEmpire_Maybe the mauser bolt system's still in use
19:38.51DrodoEmpire_It was one of the earliest and best bolt-action systems after all
19:39.16Wormy_drom:  I have relativistic launchers for the DCP that can accelerate neutron star ash, think I calculated 1 teaspoonful at 99% C would be 1 zeptatonne, Earth is six zeptatonnes. so thats a planet killer right there.  The only thing that can probably accelerate something with such density to that speed is probably hypermatter
19:39.33Wormy_power
19:39.54dromI see, Wormy_.
19:40.08dromMine was about launching 10kg heavy objects
19:40.35dromAt a decent firerate, thanks to some handwavium and magical handwaving
19:40.49dromBecause it is -sci-fi- shutup
19:41.17Wormy_drom:  Xeeleeverse has such badassery that whole neutron stars got machine-gunned at the Xeelee by humanity, inhabited by tiny artificial humans
19:41.36dromChrist
19:41.53Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_(novel)#Plot_introduction
19:42.26Wormy_Xeeleeverse has insane incarnations of speculative physics and biology, and technology operating on cosmic scales
19:42.57Wormy_The Xeelee themselves of course didn't really care about neutron stars being shot at them
19:43.06Wormy_They engineered galactic superclusters
19:44.35dromXeelee is basically the author's wet worldbuilding dream
19:44.42dromDrodoEmpire_: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/578970618056396703/E3A9724CD6734A724F15C565FAF1904083EA6170/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside%7C1024:768&composite-to=*,*%7C1024:768&background-color=black
19:44.51Wormy_indeed
19:45.11dromNow it needs a heavy drum-magazine
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19:47.09dromI wonder if 29th century weapons will have any form of a spinning revolver, the one of a minigun/gatling gun
19:47.24dromAnd I'm not talking about that would classifly as a gatling gun
19:50.02dromWormy_: http://cdn.astroempires.com/images/artwork/artwork3.jpg This is real neat
19:50.30dromHope they wouldn't mind me 'lending' that design asethetics
19:50.35MonetSeems I missed quite the conversation
19:51.24Wormy_drom:  I would think that the 29th century needs spinning revolvers for the rule of cool
19:51.57dromWormy_: "This revolver costs 500,000 libre to fire for 12 seconds"
19:52.23Wormy_I don't know if you've seen Star Wars Clone Wars Volume 2 (the old cartoon), basically the ARC troopers are armed with blaster mini-guns, and a stranger cannon
19:52.36dromAt that point the revolver would declare independence and fly out of your hand, potentially cheesing you.
19:52.37Wormy_and used it against General Grevious
19:53.16Wormy_I wouldn't like to be behind the recoil or exhaust of that weapon lol
19:53.31Wormy_oh yeah - hyperspace
19:54.41Wormy_Here's the Star Wars gatling gun https://youtu.be/zyjipNQchFY?t=1m38s
19:55.28DrodoEmpireOh, gatling guns?
19:55.39DrodoEmpireWell miniguns have the advantage of a rate of fire
19:55.49dromYeah
19:55.53DrodoEmpireModern gatlings basically shoot out a near-literal rod of lead
19:55.57dromNow combine it with revolvers, DrodoEmpire
19:56.04DrodoEmpireThat... Doesn't make any sense
19:56.27MonetDrom: WHen you say pizza slice skinny do you mean this? http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/5/51/Executor-CHRON.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070217201520
19:56.47DrodoEmpireA revolver is just a firearm that carries its bullets in a rotating drum, and shifts its place relative to the barrel to allow another round to be discharged
19:56.53dromDrodoEmpire: http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Shotguns/Hillerman%20Insurgency%20Weapons/defender_muzzle.jpg
19:57.07DrodoEmpireThat's just a handheld ribault
19:57.09dromMonet: Yes.
19:57.13DrodoEmpireNot a gatling gun- it doesn't rotate
19:57.21DrodoEmpireAnd not a revolver, as it has a bunch of barrels
19:57.45MonetI can understand you. Proportionately compared to other ISDs it's quite flet.
19:58.03dromDrodoEmpire: http://i.imgur.com/BINxFQG.jpg
19:58.03Wormy_Sorry, I was not aware of the difference of gatling guns and miniguns
19:58.12DrodoEmpireI don't think there is
19:58.17DrodoEmpireI never made one, anyway
19:58.34DrodoEmpireA minigun is just a more modern term for what is essentially the rotaru gun inventing by Dr. gatling
19:58.49Wormy_I see
19:58.59DrodoEmpireDon't quote me on that though
19:59.00DrodoEmpire...That's just a triple barrel revolver
19:59.05DrodoEmpireNo part of that rotates
19:59.17DrodoEmpireYou're making an astoundingly poor case, drom. >.<
19:59.19DrodoEmpireNo offense
19:59.32dromDrodoEmpire: No worries, it is my trademark
19:59.37DrodoEmpireThat being said, if you can dig up an example, I'd love to se eit
19:59.39DrodoEmpire*see i
19:59.41DrodoEmpire**see it
19:59.49DrodoEmpireLikewise, my astoundingly poor typing skills
20:00.24Wormy_The question is, would it be possible or desirable to make a gatling revolver, or would it just be too hard to handle?
20:00.51DrodoEmpireIt'd be extremely impractucal
20:01.14DrodoEmpireRevolver drums can't carry many rounds, and modern gatling guns especially are infamous for how quickly they fire
20:01.34MonetWhat about recoil.
20:01.38DrodoEmpireEven the earliest gatlings still used early box magazines because their rate of fire was so high
20:01.39Wormy_It'd be out very quickly then lol
20:01.45DrodoEmpire^
20:01.46MonetA gatling revolver is a lot of moving parts.
20:01.56DrodoEmpireThat too, it'd be extremely overcomplicated
20:02.00Wormy_That's another issue I guess
20:02.13MonetWhich means it's very easy for something to jam
20:02.25DrodoEmpireAs for recoil- its basically assumed that if you're using a minigun, its a crew-served weapon :p
20:02.26Wormy_And explode in your face?
20:02.40DrodoEmpireGuns aren't known to do that, even in the worst case scenario XD
20:02.57MonetIn real life using a gatlign gun Heavy style is relatively impossible
20:03.03Charles_MurrayShould I get Fallout 4? What's it like?
20:03.05DrodoEmpireBut it *could* if you fuck it up *just that much* XD
20:03.15Wormy_Charles_Murayy:  Really enjoying it
20:03.18DrodoEmpireMonet: yeah
20:03.41DrodoEmpireWormy_: Well actually I'm sorta wrong, as early firearms had that as a very real risk
20:04.01DrodoEmpireEven today, you must be careful when using black-powder weapons- in particular matchlock firearms
20:04.46dromDrodoEmpire: Googling gives me this: https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4008/4311501016_2ef6e683bc.jpg
20:04.47Wormy_That's more and issue with the gunpowder I imaginem rather than having a bullet shatter into a dozen peices (as I imagined)
20:05.11DrodoEmpireSeeing as the mechanism of a matchlock firearm is a *lit piece of string*, within a few inches of black powder in the firing pan and barrel
20:05.20DrodoEmpiredrom: yeah no
20:05.27Charles_MurrayAlright, bought
20:05.31Charles_Murraybb in a week
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20:05.54Wormy_cya in a week Charles
20:06.03DrodoEmpireYeah bullets *can* shatter, but its usually only after actually hitting the target\
20:06.36dromDrodoEmpire Wormy_: You reminded me of the trick Britons used against Germans during WW2
20:06.37Wormy_I suppose even if it shattered in the gun, it would be propelled away from the user anyway
20:06.41DrodoEmpireSome bullets are more prone than others- I believe earlier musket balls were given to actually deforming as opposed to shattering, which maimed their victims horribly
20:06.58DrodoEmpire(This was due to the balls/minie bullets being made of soft lead)
20:07.02dromThey would air-drop special munitions disguised as ones used by german soldiers
20:07.20Wormy_Gun jammers?
20:07.29dromIn fact those munitions are just blanks with explosive materials in then, ruining the weapons when fired.
20:07.36DrodoEmpireYeah
20:07.43dromAnd potentially injuiring the users.
20:08.04Wormy_clever, doubt it worked to great effect though
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20:08.23DrodoEmpireNah it added up
20:08.43DrodoEmpireLots of schemes like that would've strained the already stressed German supply lines just that much more
20:08.45dromWormy_: It was effective, but seldom used because it started during the invasion of Reichland (Germany)
20:08.59dromI think?
20:09.48MonetGermany spent a lot of the war desperate for resources.
20:10.00DrodoEmpireYeah
20:10.36dromSpecially inside bombed cities
20:11.02dromThose fake air drops were parachuted during night to void any suspicion
20:14.05dromWormy_: Speaking of spatial warfare. I like to think, you lost one department? The ship is good as a useless shell.
20:15.06dromHence your one or two shots equals one-hit KO
20:15.24Wormy_Yes
20:16.01Wormy_Unless the ship is huge and modular in design, so if some parts survived (which is probably unlikely), some parts could detatch
20:16.53dromWormy_: If there is a huge breach, it is more likely the crew is dead
20:17.24dromBecause the entire, if not tiny still exist in enclosed rooms, atomsphere has been sucked out already
20:17.32Wormy_I wonder if all this implies smaller, more manoeuvrable craft with small profiles and heat signatures are better suited for sublight warfare.
20:18.51Wormy_I mean what if the ship itself is compartmented into blocks, its possible some parts could remain intact by luck, though they could be breached by the sheer force of the kinetic impact moving through the ship
20:19.57dromAirlocks, shutters and S-shaped chambers is something to consider
20:22.06dromBut large breaches often nullify this
20:22.10dromthese*
20:22.39dromhttp://imgur.com/gallery/zfotO
20:22.54dromI often get reminded by how bad I want a black cat and a Samoyed
20:23.48Wormy_I wouldn't mind one of them Savannah cats
20:24.38dromWormy_: Servals?
20:24.43Wormy_hybrids
20:25.20Wormy_with domestic cat
20:25.41Wormy_However, strict ownership laws apply especially for the generation
20:25.44dromMaybe... look farther to Norwegian Forest Cats?
20:26.18Wormy_Jebus that's a big moggy
20:26.28dromWhile they are domesticated, many owners complain about them being too emotional
20:27.05Wormy_Reminds me of the Maine Coon
20:27.26Wormy_Did I tell you about the time I witnessed a British Big Cat, likely a lynx?
20:27.49Wormy_Serious story, I had to speak to a policeman
20:28.09Wormy_Who revealed I wasn't the only witness
20:29.53dromI don't think you did
20:30.14Monet"Because the entire, if not tiny still exist in enclosed rooms, atomsphere has been sucked out already" I like ot think that a lot of ships in Sporewiki rely on vacuum-sealable doors at regular intervals
20:31.25Wormy_Well it was in Wales a few years ago, and I was staying on a sheep farm (hence they take this stuff seriously).  Went out one evening and looked down on a bank to a pair of gleaming eyes.  I and my relatives shone our torches and were shocked to see a fucking huge cat with a boxy head and giant paws
20:31.34MonetAnother possibility I guess is a utility fog that acts like platelets do i nthe human body.
20:32.14Wormy_We returned to take photographs, alas it had moved and the pictures are only partial.  I think my Dad might have even deleted them, which irritates me greatly
20:32.49Wormy_Anyway, we told the farm and they said that several sheep had been slaughtered, and that something was after their chicken coup
20:33.28Wormy_So the policeman came out, and said a cyclist had seen a big cat cross his path in front of him
20:33.40Wormy_week before
20:33.48dromWormy_: I've to ask you
20:33.56dromHad it any visible tail?
20:34.02dromHad it grey spots all over?
20:34.15dromDark-grey that is
20:35.07Wormy_I didn't see its tail, as it was lying down, and hacing us.  But it did have grey fur, and possibly a yellowish tuft
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20:36.37The_RandomnessHello
20:37.24dromWormy_: If they have tufts for a tail, then definitely a lynx
20:37.30dromhad*
20:37.43Wormy_It did have tufts around its boxy head
20:37.49dromWhatever, i slaughtered too many britons using tha sentence
20:37.59Wormy_I lean on it being a lynx personally
20:38.31Wormy_People kept these animals as pets until the 70's, and still do now illegally.  They get loose, and probably even mate in the countryside now.
20:38.50dromWormy_: tufts on head, restrictly on ears does not limit your guess to lynx
20:40.00Wormy_Well at the time I thought it was a cougar, due to t having yellowish fur, it also had massive paws (but so do lynxes).  But its more likely to have been a lynx
20:40.21dromCharles_PC, Monet, DrodoEmpire: Why you never use live grenades. http://i.imgur.com/P0Vpnqg.gif
20:40.50The_Randomnessoh dear
20:40.52Wormy_I'm open to the possibility lynxes are now mating in the countryside.  Cougars and other big cats probably did escape in the country but might all be dead now
20:41.45dromThe_Randomness: There is a live one http://i.imgur.com/6WF3wIk.gif
20:42.08The_Randomnesslol
20:43.25The_RandomnessCharles_PC: When do you think you'll be available for working a bunch on the Federation for the collabverse?
20:44.21dromWormy_ Monet Hachiman ImpyDroid: http://imgur.com/gallery/mPAtR
20:44.58Wormy_'['
20:45.02Wormy_wot
20:45.03Wormy_lol
20:45.21Wormy_That makes a good face actually
20:45.38ImpyDroiddrom: FUCKING SKINNIES
20:45.52The_RandomnessWutFace
20:46.14Wormy_'['   >_[_<  '[]'  ;]
20:46.55dromAnyway, a post for those who still play Starbound
20:46.56dromhttps://www.reddit.com/r/starbound/comments/4qyavq/botw_literal_shitpost/
20:47.27The_Randomnessdrom: lol
20:47.40The_RandomnessI've just been waiting patiently for 1.0
20:57.56dromIf I hadn't abandoned the Nomatarians and their Sovereignty. I gotta figure out a proper standard for turrets on their ships
20:58.04dromOr a new one, whatever
21:00.54dromThe_Randomness Hachiman ImpyDroid: http://imgur.com/gallery/jqjxAda
21:01.12The_RandomnessO_o
21:02.09HachimanToppus kekkus
21:35.27ImpyDroidHachiman: *kekius maxium
21:35.31ImpyDroid*maximus
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21:48.38ImpyDroidhttp://i.4cdn.org/pol/1467580862911.jpg
21:53.29The_Randomnessyay
21:59.53HachimanWhy does everyone throw themselves at fucking Bastion
22:00.02HachimanWhy not Genji if there's a Bastion and Torbjorn
22:00.22HachimanWhy tank if your team is fucking useless
22:01.22HachimanBy the way, to those who it may concern, Oluap's PC is broken
22:01.28The_Randomnessrip
22:01.28HachimanSo he may not be present for the next few days
22:01.40The_RandomnessHachiman: because counterplay is overrated?
22:01.48The_RandomnessWhy counterplay when you can complain about Bastion?
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22:20.56DrodoEmpireHi
22:21.29The_RandomnessHey
22:21.40The_Randomness~summon Ghelaway
22:21.40infobotapt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing Ghelaway's coordinates
22:48.06Tek0516http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1467558821-20160703.png
22:49.18The_Randomness:P
23:07.11GhelawayThe_Randomness: What do you want me for?
23:07.48The_RandomnessLook in the Cyrannus channel, Wormulon and I have been doing work on not_Excaretra for the collabvesre
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23:54.07The_RandomnessDrodoEmpire: I think Wormulon and I have hammered out the details of the planet of mine I have planned for the collabverse, we'll be putting the details of it at the bottom of the titanpad if you want to see it
23:54.21DrodoEmpireAh, okay
23:54.57The_RandomnessIt took a 180 degree turn from a scorching hot desert wasteland to a very wet planet scoured by rain
23:56.19DrodoEmpireHuh, cool
23:57.08The_RandomnessIt's also possible that the spiritual successors to the Salsetthe will be amphibian, and we'll have waterlogged caves

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