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04:58.40AnonyLurkHow's the weather?
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12:27.03GhelWormy_: I've put a more complete overview of reactionless drives on the super-collab page. I never expected this would encourage me to look at the Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Program all over again.
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13:18.34GhelThinking about it, it does make sense that the bias drive shouldn't conserve momentum. Sicne G varies with position, translational symmetry no longer holds.
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13:35.25AdmiralPandahi all
13:36.32GhelHello.
13:36.51OluapPlayerHi
13:41.34Wormy_Any idea for how the scalar field needed for Pitch drives to work can be altered?
13:42.11MonetHello
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13:46.29Charles_MacJust added tons to France's military section: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Military
13:46.44GhelWormy_: Not really. It'd basically be like altering the Higgs field, though.
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15:00.59MonetSo I'm digging around and found this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board/Archive_8#Transmission_from_Eskaem
15:01.03MonetSo fun
15:02.41HachimanI do not get why people think that Chaos cultists are totally incapable of being skilled at anything; Chaos Space Marines are corrupted but are still good at what they were prior to it, as are Traitor Guardsmen#
15:03.01OluapPlayercus we will kapture eet for kayoss
15:03.09HachimanThe image of all cultists being insane, gibbering nutcases brandishing daggers is rather annoying
15:03.13AdmiralPanda_because chaos *cultists* usually are
15:03.30AdmiralPanda_like cultist in the context of 40k chaos usually refers to a specific gorup
15:03.32AdmiralPanda_group*
15:03.50OluapPlayerAnd yes, it's fun to check the older UDB messages every once in a while
15:04.02OluapPlayerThough I find most of my non-Loron messages cringy to some extent
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15:04.37MonetHAchiman: Could it be how they're used in the context of games like DoW or o nthe tabletop?
15:04.39HachimanThey're cultists but they had skills that were, and potentially still are, useful and I do not see a reason as to why they would lose those
15:04.41TechnoIsBackno idea what is wrong with my BNC
15:04.43TechnoIsBackbut eh
15:05.51OluapPlayerdumba
15:07.27MonetIn DoW they're used jsut ot capture points and soak up enemy gunfure.
15:07.39AdmiralPanda_in hte context of the guys actually called cultists, they basically were the rabble to start with- yes CSM and traitor guardsmen are still well trained, but average joes that now worship chaos are still average joes
15:07.59OluapPlayerYou're assuming they have skills to begin with
15:08.30MonetActually yeah Panda has something of a point
15:08.30TechnoIsBackya dad
15:08.38MonetTraitor guardsmen are trained soldiers
15:09.02AdmiralPanda_there's a difference between "cultist" as in someone who's part of a cult, and "cultist" as in the unit called cultists
15:09.11MonetChaos CUltists can be anything from trained planetary defence forces to desperate civilians given a gun and literally thrown at the nemy.,
15:11.21HachimanI know that there's a difference but most people tend to think the two are synonymous
15:11.37HachimanThat's what I am saying; the common perception is that all cultists are like the cultist units
15:11.47HachimanWhich bothers me
15:12.45MonetIsn't that same effect also the source of the "t shirts and flashlights" joke about guardsmen?
15:13.14MonetIn the fluff a lasgun is powerful enough to blow off a human limb.
15:13.46AdmiralPanda_in the game a lasgun is powerful enough to blow off a human limb :P
15:13.59HachimanYes, a *human* limb
15:14.09HachimanMost things Guardsmen fight are not human hur
15:15.12MonetALso Failbaddon.
15:15.28HachimanFailbaddon is eh
15:15.53MonetSomehow he was worthy enough for the marks of Chaos Undivided.
15:16.12OluapPlayerFailbaddon is only fail in a fan perspective
15:16.30MonetHe suffers the same problem the Xhodocto have, yeah.
15:16.52HachimanLike, Abaddon is legitimately incompetent a lot of the time
15:17.12MonetIf he did succeed in a Black Crusade, the galaxy is fudge.
15:17.16OluapPlayerHe's also the strongest thing in the universe that's not an outright god
15:17.21HachimanEh
15:17.24HachimanThat's not true either
15:17.28AdmiralPanda_Abaddon wasn't really incompetent, he just got massively dicked by a guy who can literally see the future with perfect clarity
15:17.42OluapPlayerAnd yes, if Abaddon wins, the setting is over
15:17.45OluapPlayerThe End Times 2
15:18.21HachimanThe idea of his crusades actually being to simply cause mayhem and achieve minor goals and such are retcons; he legitimately failed 12 times to conquer Cadia prior to those
15:18.29HachimanAnd only partially succeeded in the 13th
15:18.54OluapPlayerI'm aware, but the retcon is the current canon so that's what counts
15:19.37HachimanJust because it's retconned doesn't mean it's not BS hur
15:19.57OluapPlayerIt is, but it doesn't matter for the current context
15:19.59OluapPlayerIt's irrelevant
15:21.19MonetAnd it's not like dhe doesn't do anay damage is it?
15:22.03MonetThe Imperium has to pull considerable resources to the Eye of Terror whenever it looks like a Black Crusade might be coming
15:23.00Monet<PROTECTED>
15:23.10AdmiralPanda_yeah, he gets cockblocked at Cadia because if Cadia falls once the Imperium is utterly fucked
15:23.57OluapPlayerhe aint mean 'n' green enuff
15:24.03OluapPlayerthe orks got all the way to Terra
15:25.01HachimanI would still argue there are more dangerous things in the Galaxy than Abaddon which are not gods
15:25.08HachimanLike Tyranids :p
15:25.21OluapPlayeremoji
15:25.29AdmiralPanda_the hive mind perhaps, some of the leaderbeasts, not much else
15:25.37AdmiralPanda_well the hive mind definitely
15:25.52HachimanSome Eldar characters I would suppose, Yriel maybe
15:26.01MonetAt this point the hive might might possibly be a god.
15:26.15AdmiralPanda_Yriel hell no
15:26.16MonetOr at least, very god-like
15:26.22OluapPlayerThe hive mind is probably akin to a god but yeah, the leader creatures have been killed plenty of times
15:26.29AdmiralPanda_he's a brilliant general with a fancy stick, he ain't much against Abaddon
15:27.09OluapPlayerI'm disappointed by the lack of mentions of Chaos vs Tyranids
15:27.12OluapPlayerwe will eat the demons
15:27.22HachimanThat is precisely why there lacking mentions
15:27.36AdmiralPanda_fancy farseer whose name escapes me probably, but then again he IS the second most potent living psyker that isn't also a daemon
15:27.46HachimanEldrad?
15:27.56AdmiralPanda_tthat's hte one
15:28.08HachimanHe is also dead as far as I know
15:28.09OluapPlayerIsn't that one dead?
15:28.43AdmiralPanda_not anymore, current canon is set before the 13th crusade
15:29.02OluapPlayerSo dead just not yet
15:29.21AdmiralPanda_not yet dead is still alive :P
15:29.36OluapPlayeru get what i mean
15:30.00HachimanAs far as I know, he gets consumed by Slaanesh during a battle over a Blackstone Fortress
15:30.38AdmiralPanda_nah, he just chills in its core
15:31.53AdmiralPanda_his physical form got poof'd but his psychic signature was still hanging around somehow
15:31.56HachimanSo, *essentially* dead
15:32.52AdmiralPanda_well he's dead, just his soul is still around
15:32.58HachimanNot gonna bother mentioning any of the Primarchs vs Abaddon because Primarchs are also essentially gods
15:33.01HachimanOr demigods, rather
15:33.32OluapPlayerIsn't Abaddon like Horus on steroids?
15:33.48MonetHe's clsoe to Horus
15:33.52AdmiralPanda_Abaddon's a weaker clone of Horus
15:33.53Monetclose*
15:33.53HachimanI dunno if Abaddon is as strong as Horus
15:33.59TechnoIsBackyay
15:34.01TechnoIsBackpizza ordered
15:34.07TechnoIsBacknow I can maybe start work on fiction
15:34.11OluapPlayerhur
15:34.15AdmiralPanda_most primarchs would take Abaddon pretty easily
15:34.19OluapPlayerfinish Refuge of Ottzello page
15:34.22MonetBut Abbadon's sheer power, if anything, demosntrates how dangerous Horus was.
15:34.48HachimanThen again, Dorn got murdered by a Dark Eldar raiding party
15:34.55TechnoIsBackthat was never finished?
15:34.56HachimanNot very demigodlike
15:34.56TechnoIsBackboooo
15:34.57TechnoIsBackwell
15:35.01TechnoIsBackcould do that easily
15:35.02AdmiralPanda_which also makes you wonder just how powerful papa ultrasmurf was
15:35.21AdmiralPanda_aside from the fact that he's literally immortal
15:35.24HachimanWell I mean, he requires suspended animation not to fucking die
15:35.48AdmiralPanda_quite the contrary, the suspended animation is what's stopping him from regenerating :P
15:35.58Hachimandats propaganda an u kno it
15:36.22AdmiralPanda_what isn't propaganda in 40k
15:36.29OluapPlayerGREEN BEING BEST
15:36.33MonetThe nagain Dar kEldar aren't know nfor killing things quickly.
15:36.52HachimanDorn and Guilliman get bested by Dark Eldar while Russ actively goes after them
15:36.52MonetThen again Dark Eldar aren't known for killing things quickly*
15:38.10HachimanOh wait, I do not believe it was Russ who went after the Dark Eldar
15:38.15HachimanIt was Khan if I recall
15:38.44MonetDark Eldar prefer their targets to died painfully so I am somewhat with Panda in that unless the Dark Eldar designed this poison specifically to down primarchs, then he does indeed have a chance of living.
15:39.26MonetAs a poison powerful enough to painfully kill a primarch is going to kill a normal human very bloody quickly.
15:40.09AdmiralPanda_anywho I'ma go pass out now
15:40.16MonetOr am I mixing up my stories?
15:41.55MonetListening to Arch on armour I think somewhat validates the power of the lasgun - both Tau and Eldar armour can withstand 2-3 las-blasts.
15:42.15MonetAccording to what he's saying.
15:42.36MonetOrks and Necrons however I agree that a las-blast won't do much.
15:43.29HachimanI did not think lasguns could do much against wraithbone
15:43.53MonetIt can withstand a couple of shots but it's no adamantium.
15:44.21MonetEldar protect themselves by being too nimble to easily hit.
15:45.10HachimanFire Warriors wear stuff that is only a few grades higher than the stuff used by most Guardsmen as far as I know
15:45.57MonetThe empire's smaller scale and technical know-how make it a little easier to outfit everyone with something like carapace.
15:47.25MonetWraithbone's main virtues are being light and flexible.
15:47.47HachimanAh
15:50.05MonetThough I think even guardsmen flak armour does a little better at protecting against shrapnel than direct blows.
15:51.04HachimanYeah, it's pretty good at that
15:51.56MonetOne thing I found both enjoyable and annoying in DoW 2 was suppressing fire
15:52.16HachimanSuppressing fire is a mixed bag for me
15:52.46Monetthe game mechanic or the real-life strategy?
15:54.18HachimanThe mechanic
15:55.16MonetIt's not the most well-recieved of ideas, true.
15:56.37MonetAnd personally I sometimes prefer if heavy bolters and machingeguns woudl just shred the target they're suppressing
16:04.19MonetOne thing that's come to me: All these veteren soldiers we have in the the fictionverse, how many become truly unfazed by facing down large post-mortal or demonic forces?
16:04.43HachimanHm, I'm not sure how Hachi managed to cope
16:04.49HachimanHe is a child soldier in all of this
16:05.20MonetOne comparative question comes to mind: "For every kill you make, does it get easier?"
16:06.45HachimanHachi probably finds it harder to kill normal, mortal enemies as opposed to opponents who have foregone life or had never really had it in the first place
16:08.49MonetI think that's one of the safe things about killing demons; you're killing something that exists to be killed.
16:10.19MonetLieutenants like the servants of Shu'wokerama however, well...I'm sure Hachi wishes for a way to save Arsac.
16:11.29HachimanHachi's opinions on the servants of Shu'wokerama kinda vary because, in many cases, his warriors and servants surrendered themselves and gave themselves to the Corruptus
16:12.40MonetBut if they gave themselves to the Corrutpus, does that annihilate the vague possibility they could regret their decision?
16:13.40HachimanIf it is possible, I imagine Hachi would love to find a way to act on that regret in order to free their bonds, but thus far there have been no real implications that liberation from the Corruptus' fold is at all possible
16:14.13HachimanSo he is left with having to kill those corrupted servants as swiftly as possible to put them out of their misery, whether they do regret their cause or not
16:14.17MonetExcept for maybe Errr.
16:14.32MonetAlthough Errr was a special case.
16:17.29OluapPlayerErrr was kicked out of the Corruptus for having such a stupid name
16:18.02MonetAnd then was given a Dream Energy colonic by Thea'niahra.
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16:19.06HachimanFucking intercunt
16:19.09OluapPlayerBeing cleansed of Corruptus energies is possible, except for Shu'wok's vanguards
16:19.18OluapPlayerTheir souls are directly linked to Shu'wok's own
16:20.02MonetSo she could do that to Arsac but someone like Geltastra that strategy is impossible.
16:21.20OluapPlayerUnless this link is severed, yes
16:21.38HachimanSo Hachiman can potentially save cultists then
16:21.40OluapPlayerPeople like Arsac, Kolger or the Entropic Dalek could be cleansed. But the Vanguards can't
16:21.43OluapPlayerYes
16:22.32OluapPlayerHachi after ascendind should be able to find cleansing someone like a Chosen cultist trivial
16:23.53HachimanRight
16:26.39MonetAlthough the main thing about demons that more mortal species don't si they're big and scary-looking and, if they have them, brandishing very scary-looking weapons
16:27.42MonetBe they plasma guns that can melt vehicle armour, swords that can penetrate concrete or a very large very fast-firing repeater.
16:28.50OluapPlayerLuckily there are no Corruptus demons in the current day that use technology
16:29.27MonetTHis applies ot mortals as well
16:30.19MonetElite Zoles have an intimidation factor born out of being tall enough to step on some of the more average-sized species of Borealis
16:31.12OluapPlayerTrue
16:33.46MonetWhich is part of what came to mind; we have a lot of veterens of demon wars.
16:34.19MonetBut quite often all the training in the world cannot prepare you for your first real hot-zone.
16:34.58HachimanI await the day nations like France have to deal with daemonic insurrections
16:35.10MonetWell...unless it's the kind of training where recruits die in live combat but that brings psychological baggage all on its own.
16:35.13OluapPlayerkeep waiting bub
16:35.35HachimanNations that I do not believe have ever had experience with demons and hellish armies of cultists and abominations
16:36.58MonetWell, apart from the use of what looks like hell-magic, a bug war comes close.
16:38.43OluapPlayerI wish I could come up with a better name than 'Corruptus Demon'
16:39.08OluapPlayerClosest I could do was start referring to them as nightmares, but it doesn't sound comfortable
16:39.26HachimanPhantasms
16:39.49OluapPlayerThat's got nothing to do with the Corruptus hur
16:41.07HachimanCould call them any number of things; Nightmares, Horrors, Torments, Wraiths, Haunts
16:41.51HachimanI was also gonna suggest Bogeys in reference to the Bogeyman but it sounds goofy hur
16:42.01OluapPlayeryou're a bogey
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16:44.48HachimanHi Imp
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16:46.46OluapPlayerWhere the fudge were you waptor
16:47.17CyrannianUnder your bed
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17:20.18Groxkiller98Hai.
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17:21.30Wormy_awayhttps://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/01/tesla-driver-killed-autopilot-self-driving-car-harry-potter
17:23.02Wormy_awaySuch an avoidable accident, at this stage of self-driving cars, the driver testing the vehicle should be prepared for errors imo
17:23.30Groxkiller98Oh dear.
17:23.48OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#Borealis_Declares_War_on_the_Cognatus.21 for who it may concern
17:25.39Groxkiller98That's... news.
17:28.13Wormy_awayhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/justin-trudeau-featured-as-a-hero-in-new-marvel-comic-a7110251.html
17:31.04HachimanNice, the PCA are finally doing something about the CE
17:36.02Groxkiller98I still suck at the outfitter. :| Updating those pics is going to take longer than I thought.
18:04.09TechnoIsBackgogogo PCA
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18:06.28Cyrannianaye
18:06.30CyrannianI'll brb
18:06.43OluapPlayerfuckin ur never here u shitty chicken
18:06.57Cyrannian|Awayc UDB pleb
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18:20.10OluapPlayerTechnoIsBack: https://i.imgur.com/mrjtZUJ.png
18:26.54TechnoIsBackhahahaha
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18:36.14GhelaeHello.
18:38.21MonetAfternoon
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19:22.10GhelaeHello.
19:23.02The_RandomnessHello
19:23.27TechnoIsBackhi random
19:23.48The_Randomnessgotta update, brb
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19:31.25The_RandomnessIt seems like the further I go into the summer, the later I go to sleep
19:33.00The_RandomnessThe past two days I went to bed at ~3:30 AM :<
19:41.02dromI went to bed at like 1:30 AM
19:41.11dromand woke up at 1:00 PM
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19:43.06The_Randomnessbrb, have to go drag rocks around
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20:01.36AnonyLurkHello.
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20:04.48DrodoEmpireHi everyone
20:09.51AnonyLurkWhat exciting things have you been up to lately?
20:12.06DrodoEmpireHm? Oh, nothing much
20:12.36DrodoEmpireBought a few things on the steam summer sale, and I've been fleshing out the armoury and military of the Drodo on the wiki
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20:30.32DrodoEmpireHi!
20:33.09The_RandomnessHey Charles
20:48.27TechnoIsBackThe_Randomness: https://i.redd.it/nelk1vtcat6x.jpg this is relevant to League as well
20:48.37The_Randomnessloooooooool
20:48.41TechnoIsBackbest response
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21:01.01ImpyDroidFucking Spaniards
21:01.29ImpyDroidCannot even speak English, have to use broken French to talk to them
21:01.49ImpyDroidHi
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21:06.05TechnoIsBackPffft
21:08.05ImpyDroid2I asked if the fruits are washed in English
21:08.13ImpyDroid2They did not repond
21:08.33ImpyDroid2I tried saying "laver" in Frencg
21:08.39ImpyDroid2They eventually understood me
21:33.48The_RandomnessCharles_Murray: When do you think you'll be available for doing collabverse stuff next?
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21:33.53JepardiHi
21:34.13The_RandomnessHello
21:34.31TechnoIsBackhihi
22:04.51MonetGoing ot stream some mroe concept art. If anyone would like to watch me make a monster here you go http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-HAPiE_EwqQ-45QRbCl4Nw/live
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22:56.33Tek0516Hello
22:57.10Tek0516Just saw the new Independence Day film.
22:58.48Tek0516Some a**hole in the theater was talking on their phone at some point. >.>
22:59.56The_Randomness:<
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