IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160701

00:01.54HellrockWould anyone like to converse?
00:02.23DrodoEmpireUh
00:02.46DrodoEmpireWell... What about? Its not exactly a Japanese tea ceremony, we can just do it
00:03.19DrodoEmpireAnything on your mind? Anything interesting you've seen?
00:03.50HellrockHonestly, I forgot what was in my mind ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
00:04.00The_RandomnessI've been trying to do some planning for the collabverse, more specifically the planet that I'll end up working on once that gets going
00:06.16The_RandomnessI've been trying to work out how an underground biosphere/civilization will work
00:06.53DrodoEmpireI could help with the military history of that <.<
00:07.59The_RandomnessI'll hit you up on that once I get to that
00:08.04HellrockTrees are a good start.
00:08.20The_Randomnesslol
00:08.41HellrockWait...
00:08.48Hellrock*Trees are a good start for "that"
00:11.31The_RandomnessWhile talking to an IRC friend of mine, we basically ruled out slavery for the most part since slave revolts would wreck your shit and also getting them is hard when every society is effectively a fortress state
00:12.34DrodoEmpireYeah
00:13.05The_RandomnessI'd imagine that warfare would run into some similar problems
00:13.08DrodoEmpireSuch a scenario would *greatly* favour the defender- I see a lot of verticality coming in to play
00:13.32The_RandomnessVerticality?
00:13.37DrodoEmpirei.e tunnelling a few dozen feet above a "fort" floor and shooting down in to it/inserting soldiers
00:13.59The_RandomnessOh, right :P
00:14.01DrodoEmpireAlso battles would probably be *extremely* prolonged due to this
00:14.13DrodoEmpireOr rather sieges, which would also probably compose a huge amount of battles
00:15.33The_RandomnessThis is also complicated by the fact that you have very small populations and labor is much more expensive than on Earth as a result
00:15.51The_RandomnessAnd such sieges would basically be forcefully knocking at the door
00:16.29DrodoEmpireYeah...
00:16.41DrodoEmpireI question if organized civilization would arise at all
00:16.45The_RandomnessSince the other option is trying to mine your way in, which is hard_work
00:16.49DrodoEmpireHow would food production work?
00:17.01The_RandomnessI still need to work on that, this is all in its early stages
00:17.07DrodoEmpire(Well yes it is hard work, but tunnelling was a common tactic in actual history_
00:17.13The_Randomnesstrue
00:17.13XhoRight I'll see you all layer
00:17.14Xholater
00:17.18XhoWon't be back until mid-July
00:17.20DrodoEmpire(One thing about sieges is that you have the luxury of time)
00:17.33DrodoEmpire(There've been sieges that have drug on for *years*)
00:17.40HellrockWe're still talking about the underground civilization, right?
00:17.46The_RandomnessYes
00:20.44HellrockAs for food production.
00:20.52HellrockI've heard that subterranean farms are a possibility.
00:21.29DrodoEmpireYes, but, with what?
00:21.33DrodoEmpireAnd with what technology?
00:22.11DrodoEmpireFor civilization to have even a chance to arise, there needs to be a crop compatible with the climate, and one that can be produced with little or no real technology
00:22.33DrodoEmpireAnd for the *first* civilization, that crop must originate from a native species
00:22.48HellrockAh, yes.
00:32.57HellrockG'night everyone.
00:49.40The_RandomnessBut yeah, this all started with me wanting to completely redo the Salsetthe and Excaretra, except this time do it right instead of bullshitting stuff
00:50.30The_RandomnessI don't expect this to be easy, since I'm sure there are going to be many potentially big problems that I'll need to tackle while putting this all together
00:51.27DrodoEmpireRight, right
00:51.31DrodoEmpireIts an interesting idea for sure
00:52.58The_RandomnessAnd on top of all of this I'll have them encounter our interstellar empire somehow, likely when they have technology that's around the level of ours
00:53.13DrodoEmpireHmm, okay
00:53.41DrodoEmpireThough a question- why would they be subterranean in the first place? What prevents them from going above-ground?
00:54.04DrodoEmpireThin atmosphere?
00:54.11DrodoEmpireLack of magnetism?
00:54.16The_Randomnessone sec, eating
00:54.26DrodoEmpire(Both would result in wicked-bad radiation :p)
00:59.04The_RandomnessFortunately it isn't either of those
01:02.41The_RandomnessBut during the day, you can expect temperatures to get to around 70C, and on top of that, there's very little life on the surface, since most of it is a barren wasteland due to some incredibly bad luck earlier in the planet's history
01:04.21The_RandomnessThere's some life on the planet's surface, but it's honestly not much worth mentioning
01:08.36The_RandomnessThey actually will have structures above ground, but it's mostly industry, solar farms, and such
01:09.33The_RandomnessBut this doesn't come around until they have the tech to sort of colonize the surface
01:13.31DrodoEmpireAhh, okay
01:14.47dino82_new Rambo Nation clone troopers: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Rambo_Nation_Fighter_PilotLarge.png
01:15.43DrodoEmpireHuh cool
01:15.55DrodoEmpireDo the Rambo make clones a large part of their army?
01:20.23dino82_yes, they are their main groudn forces as they don't have any
01:22.04DrodoEmpireAhh
01:31.51dino82_have to go bye bye
01:32.00The_Randomnessbye
02:29.21Wormy_F4bye
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07:32.21The_RandomnessDrodoEmpire: got some spicy stuff cooking up now for not_Excaretra, I'll tell you about it when it isn't 2/3 AM
07:32.37DrodoEmpireOh, oky
07:32.39DrodoEmpire*okay
07:33.56The_RandomnessBeen talking to this one guy again, he's got some stuff for how conflict will work/used to work there
07:38.53DrodoEmpireHmm, okay
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07:47.57The_Randomnessgood morning
07:48.08Charles_MurrayGood morning!
07:48.17The_Randomnessdunno why I'm up at almost 3 AM
07:48.49Charles_MurrayIt's 10 am here in France
07:48.55Charles_MurraySo still morning ;)
07:49.09The_Randomnessright
07:49.27Charles_MurrayQuick question
07:49.29The_Randomnesssure
07:49.33Charles_MurrayAs long as you're here
07:49.55Charles_MurrayIt seems like Eco and Gorzill can't seem to make sense of the military readiness chart
07:50.06Charles_MurrayI'm trying to find an easy way to explain it
07:51.23The_Randomnessuh
07:51.29The_RandomnessCan you link it to me again?
07:51.37The_RandomnessI'll see how non-shitposty I can be
07:53.35Charles_Murrayhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Talven_Empire/Military
07:54.04Charles_MurrayThe_Randomness : http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Readiness
07:55.31The_RandomnessWhat does the red stand for again?
07:55.56Charles_MurraySteps which haven't yet been achieved
07:56.07The_Randomnessok
07:56.17The_RandomnessYeah, no issues here
08:00.03The_RandomnessIt seems clear to me, even with minimal knowledge
08:00.22Charles_MurrayThat's good
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09:07.49TreebeardHello
09:13.51Charles_MurrayHey
09:20.01ImpyDroidHi
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09:53.54Groxkiller98Heya.
09:54.14Groxkiller98I've just finished my last college assignment. Nothing to do. :|
09:55.04Groxkiller98Anything going on?
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10:05.45Groxkiller98Hey, Ghelae.
10:05.56TreebeardHello
10:05.58GhelaeHello.
10:07.04Groxkiller98You good?
10:10.02Groxkiller98...This chat is filled with awkward silences too often.
10:13.04GhelaeI'm okay; how about you?
10:13.45Groxkiller98I'm bored... Nothing to do in college and I'll be stuck here for three-four hours.
10:15.22GhelaeWhen do you finish for summer?
10:17.07Groxkiller98About a week from now.
10:17.38Groxkiller98So we won't be getting any new assignments.
10:18.06Groxkiller98But that also means I have like three days left, because I have no classes on monday or Tuesday.
10:21.02Groxkiller98Anyone here part of the PAE by chance?
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10:23.50Groxkiller98WB
10:26.54Groxkiller98Nobody of the PAE is on? Really? :|
10:27.32GhelaeImp and Charles are in the PAE.
10:27.54Groxkiller98They didn't answer me.
10:28.10GhelaeWell, Charles wasn't here when you asked the first time. :P
10:28.20Charles_MurrayWhat do you need?
10:29.07Groxkiller98I'm thinking of throwing my lot in there.
10:29.58Groxkiller98It'd be a terribly dumb benefit to ignore trying to join the local hyperpower.
10:31.13Groxkiller98And it would offer the Ecumene more than 3500 new star systems in rather unexplored space.
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10:34.41DrodoEmpireHi
10:35.03TreebeardHello
10:37.51Groxkiller98Hey.
10:38.09Groxkiller983500+2200+200
10:38.29Groxkiller98Uh... How do I activate infobot again?
10:39.47Groxkiller98Ah, nevermind. I'll use a calculator.
10:40.07Ghelae~3500+2200+200
10:40.07infobot5900
10:40.17Groxkiller98Oh.
10:40.49Groxkiller98Right, so if my three empires joined the Ecumene, it would be 5900 more systems under their belt.
10:41.01GhelaeYou should even be able to do it like this:
10:41.04Ghelaeinfobot 3500+2200+200
10:41.04infobot5900
10:41.59Groxkiller98Cool.
10:42.21TreebeardCan you msg infobot?
10:42.29Groxkiller98Is 200 systems small for an empire that's only been around 3300 years?
10:42.48Groxkiller98You can!
10:42.54TreebeardNot if the empire expands slowly
10:43.05DrodoEmpireWell, it should be noted that most states do not last longer than a *thousand* years
10:43.20DrodoEmpireFew last much longer than five-hundred
10:43.47Groxkiller98Well, they're sitting inside a much larger, friendly empire that's basically propping them up.
10:43.55DrodoEmpireAs for number of systems, that's more up to what sort of FTL tech they have, but if they have warp/hyperdrive, then 220 systems is indeed quite small
10:44.14DrodoEmpireWell, how did *that* nation stand for 3300+ years? :p
10:44.26Groxkiller98The Teyan are like North Korea if the Mithadorn are China - without the nukes or communism, and such.
10:44.39DrodoEmpireI'm not saying its impossible, and I dunno what exactly this state's history is
10:44.46DrodoEmpireActually wait
10:45.01Groxkiller98The Mithadorn living in Wild Space as they do... A miracle. >_>
10:45.01DrodoEmpireWhat exactly is 3300 years?
10:45.30TreebeardIt would make sense if they have a very alien culture, or longer lives than humans.
10:45.39DrodoEmpireIs the state- as in, the legislative body, 3300 years old?
10:45.49Groxkiller98The faction is.
10:45.57DrodoEmpireOr is the culture/civilization 3300 years old, but during this time has been ruled by multiple governments?
10:45.59Groxkiller98Not the current government.
10:46.09DrodoEmpireSo the *civilization* is 3300 years ikd
10:46.10DrodoEmpire*old
10:46.13Groxkiller98The civilisation as a whole is.
10:46.16DrodoEmpireThis is a very important distinction
10:46.16Groxkiller98Yes.
10:46.31Groxkiller98The Teyan government is... volatile at best.
10:46.56Groxkiller98Warrior culture + lots of guns in government + argument = Death
10:47.25DrodoEmpireTreebeard: Yeah, if the species in question lives much longer than humans, or is more inclined by nature to collectivism/living in a large group then longer-lasting societies might be common
10:47.43Groxkiller98The Mithadorn get a new leader about every five years - Though for peaceful reasons.
10:47.57DrodoEmpireAh
10:48.02Groxkiller98The Teyan are really volatile, all things considered.
10:48.17Groxkiller98So the Mithadorn and Ankoran are propping them up.
10:49.12Groxkiller98The Teyan military is more advanced than both of the larger empires. >_>
10:49.18DrodoEmpireRight, so they're propping up the current state?
10:49.32Groxkiller98They're propping up the entire Teyan Imperium. >_>
10:49.39Groxkiller98Not the current state alone.
10:50.16Groxkiller98If anything, the Mithadorn and Ankoran would want new leadership for the Teyan.
10:50.32Groxkiller98The Teyan are the only dictatorship out of the three...
10:51.47Groxkiller98http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mithadorn_Republic http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Teyan_Imperium_of_Andromeda http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ankoran_Empire
10:51.58Groxkiller98Just the stats tells that much.
10:52.25Groxkiller98I just think they're at that point where they need more than eachother.
10:53.35Groxkiller98And the PAE are the local 'big guys'.
10:54.11DrodoEmpireRight
10:54.53Groxkiller98Am I making sense?
10:55.19DrodoEmpireI think so
10:55.25DrodoEmpireJust a bit busy at the moment
10:55.29Groxkiller98k
10:56.10GhelaeIs your question just: given that space colonisation began 3300 years ago, is 200 systems a small number of systems to have been colonised since then?
10:57.24Groxkiller98Yeah.
10:57.42Groxkiller98Well, the original one was.
11:02.49GhelaeAn exceptionally simple model of colonisation is that every system, after a period of preparation time, sends out ships to colonise one other system each. This gives you a number of systems N = 2^t/T, where t is the total time and T is the preparation time.
11:03.34TreebeardHow developed are these systems? (i.e. are all the planets colonized? Have mining operations been set up on all asteroid belts? Do these systems contain city planets, small settlements, or something inbetween? Have space stations been established? ...and so on.)
11:03.57Groxkiller98Uh. Never thought that far ahead. >_.
11:03.59Groxkiller98>_>
11:04.08Groxkiller98I'd say highly developed.
11:04.08GhelaeWe have N = 200 and t = 3300 years, so we can solve for T = t/log_2 (N) = 432 years.
11:05.03GhelaeSo that's basically an average of 430 years between a colonisation ship being launched to a new planet, and that planet being developed enough to launch its own ships.
11:06.00Groxkiller98That's slow.
11:06.39GhelaeFurthermore, that's a lower bound: once a planet's well-developed, it probably isn't going to take another 430 years to build a second colonisation ship.
11:06.47Groxkiller98True.
11:06.57DrodoEmpireIts *possible* that such slow progress could be due to a late discovery of FTL, political turmoil, or economic downturn
11:06.59Groxkiller98I blame the fact there are too many pirates.
11:07.00DrodoEmpireOr all three
11:07.15Groxkiller98Too many pirates and a lack of space to claim.
11:07.34DrodoEmpireWell, you say that these people are volatile, yes?
11:07.39Groxkiller98They -are- inside another empire for safety reasons.
11:07.46Groxkiller98And they very much are.
11:08.15Groxkiller98Probably sent most of their colony defences to chase pirates or something.
11:08.16DrodoEmpireIts possible that these people have spent so much time divided and unstable that few had the wish, ability, or resources to actually undergo colonization
11:08.28GhelaeYes, volatility looks like the best explanation to me.
11:09.08DrodoEmpireIts not a coincidence that the great colonizing powers of history were also relatively stable :p
11:09.23DrodoEmpire(That and they had good geography for colonization of course)
11:10.06GhelaeA lack of FTL on its own isn't that bad: even at an average speed of 0.1c (which a fairly advanced FTL-lacking society should easily manage), 130 years can get your ship 13 ly, and that still leaves 300 years to develop and build your next ship.
11:10.31DrodoEmpireFair enough
11:11.05Groxkiller98Hm. Yeah, that seems reasonable.
11:11.11GhelaeHowever, it would exacerbate the slow progress caused by instability.
11:11.31Groxkiller98Thus the need to be propped up?
11:11.49DrodoEmpireYes, an unstable country may need assistance to maintain itself
11:12.09DrodoEmpireThe state would likely be open to any donations if it knew what was good for it <.<
11:12.38Groxkiller98They Teyan have a 'shoot it first, then talk if it's still alive' policy. Mostly.
11:12.52Groxkiller98Mostly.
11:14.29Groxkiller98I need to go. See you.
11:17.12DrodoEmpire"The Vietnamese have recruited Zhuge Liang- right out of the last Dynasty Warriors game."
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11:55.24MonetHello
11:55.47DrodoEmpireHi
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12:02.40JepardiHi
12:03.01DrodoEmpireHi there
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12:06.17Groxkiller98Heya.
12:09.11DrodoEmpireHi
12:10.18Groxkiller98Everyone good?
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12:16.03Groxkiller98Hey, does anybody know of any mods that allow the use of discovered planets in a GA editor?
12:16.08HachimanHi
12:16.16Groxkiller98Hey, Hachiman!
12:19.16DrodoEmpireHi Hachi
12:19.23DrodoEmpireNah, I don't Groxkiller
12:19.45Groxkiller98:|
12:22.19Charles_MurrayGroxkiller98 : The Ecumene would probably be glad to have you, though a thing to be aware of is that the Ecumene is itself a sovereign country
12:22.24Charles_MurrayIts components aren't sovereign
12:22.36Groxkiller98Hmm...
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12:40.44DrodoEmpireHewy
12:40.46DrodoEmpire*Hey
12:41.26ImpyDroidGroxkiller98: Yeah it is basically a federation
12:43.38TreebeardImpyDroid: Is the Ar-Klith Sky Empire active?
12:43.59ImpyDroidIn the Fantasyverse? Yep
12:44.29ImpyDroidIt is actually a fairly important superpower
12:46.57Groxkiller98So, is the Ecumene like the EU, or USA? Or neither? :|
12:47.17Groxkiller98I'm confused.
12:48.01DrodoEmpireNot sure, though I get the idea that its somewhere between the two
12:48.05TreebeardImpydroid: Do they allow non-Klaxxa to become citizens?
12:48.47Groxkiller98What level of independence do Ecumene members operate at?
12:49.00DrodoEmpireNot sure
12:49.02Groxkiller98Do they just do their own thing, until they're told not to?
12:49.18DrodoEmpireCharles_Murray ImpyDroid explain for him?
12:50.27Charles_MurrayUSA
12:51.08Charles_MurrayThey're components of the larger whole and have no independent foreign policy, though they have militaries if memory serves
12:51.16Groxkiller98So the Mithadorn would be like a state?
12:53.42Charles_Murray^
12:53.59Groxkiller98Hm. I'm not so sure then.
12:54.29Groxkiller98The right to keep the military would be nice, but I'm pretty sure the Mithadorn would get in trouble fast.
12:54.52Groxkiller98There's a couple factions they'd shoot at regardless of if they're told they can't.
13:01.26Groxkiller98Also, there's the whole Xhodocto worshipping cults issue. >_>
13:02.39Groxkiller98Would that be an issue?
13:03.13HachimanThey could just be secret
13:03.19DrodoEmpireEhh, I dunno
13:03.37ImpyDroidTreebeard: Non-Klaxxa yes, but likely without full citizenship rights
13:03.46DrodoEmpireI can picture them being especially violent, pernicious terrorists
13:04.16Groxkiller98It's something the Republic is having fights over.
13:04.43Groxkiller98There's the 'freedom of religion' argument, and the 'these assholes are murdering people' argument.
13:05.53DrodoEmpireI figure most liberal democracies would allow people to worship privately but target violent groups
13:05.53Groxkiller98By the by, I did get Xho to clear up for me that it's okay to mention them.
13:06.08DrodoEmpireOther nations may not be so forgiving or libertarian about it
13:06.10TreebeardImpyDroid: Is there any way to get full citizenship rights?
13:07.15HachimanWell, the Klaxxa are based on old Brits so
13:07.19HachimanNot very hopeful chances
13:07.45DrodoEmpireehh, no, the British would award foreigners citizenship :p
13:08.12DrodoEmpireThey ruled a world empire, they couldn't quite afford to be xenophobic
13:08.20DrodoEmpireOr xenophobic by the standards of the time
13:09.41Groxkiller98Yeah.
13:10.05Groxkiller98Now our xenophobic party won something. T_T
13:10.15TreebeardAre there any powerful nations that do allow foreigners to gain citizenship?
13:10.15DrodoEmpireHm?
13:11.45Groxkiller98America does.
13:11.51Groxkiller98Not sure on Russia.
13:12.01Groxkiller98China doesn't recognise it though.
13:12.06Treebeard(In the fantasyverse)
13:12.28Groxkiller98Oh...
13:12.35Groxkiller98*Facepalms*
13:12.48Groxkiller98No idea then - I stay out of the Fantasyverse.
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13:13.16AdmiralPandahi all
13:13.21TreebeardHello
13:13.22HachimanHi
13:13.29Groxkiller98Hai.
13:13.31AdmiralPandaanyone here played Guild Wars 2?
13:13.34AdmiralPandaaside from Imp
13:13.58HachimanTreebeard: Well, most of them are based on pre- or post-Medieval societies and cultures which were rife with racism
13:14.39Groxkiller98I played GW1
13:14.50Groxkiller98Not played GW2 though.
13:15.01Groxkiller98Is it the same universe by chance?
13:15.09DrodoEmpireI suppose the nation you're going to be best-able to integrate in to would be mine, which is Halifaxia
13:15.25DrodoEmpireThey're a city-state based around trade, and they value individual rights and merit
13:15.29HachimanWhich isn't a superpower hur
13:15.37DrodoEmpireNo, its regional for sure
13:15.59DrodoEmpireJust wait until they get colonies... <.<
13:16.44TreebeardAre they to the East or West of the Polar Lands?
13:16.58DrodoEmpireWest I believe
13:17.21ImpyDroidTreebeard: Hm
13:17.42ImpyDroidA Kelodhros might get full citizenship rights
13:17.57Groxkiller98http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mithadorn_Republic#Culture
13:17.59Groxkiller98^_^
13:18.20Groxkiller98I'll need to catch Xho at some point and thank him for letting my mention the Xhodocto.
13:18.58Groxkiller98me*
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13:19.08dino82_hi
13:19.19Groxkiller98Hey.
13:19.26TreebeardHello
13:19.40Groxkiller98Those cults, though... They're going to cause political issues, I can foresee.
13:19.48Groxkiller98They're clearly noty
13:19.57Groxkiller98not going to be a 'shining point'.
13:19.57DrodoEmpireHey dinO!
13:20.01DrodoEmpire*Dino!
13:20.24dino82_howz all doing!
13:20.37DrodoEmpireI'm good! You?
13:21.38Groxkiller98Not bad. Yourself?
13:24.10dino82_Great to hear! Me as well, thanks!
13:25.42Groxkiller98My Mithadorn now have Xhodocto worshipping cults. :P
13:26.07Groxkiller98Totally gonna have the Mithadorn looked at funny. >_>
13:26.17dino82_@Grox: Oh?
13:26.28Groxkiller98"Is that guy worshipping an Xhodocto? Get out!" :P
13:26.54Groxkiller98I asked Xho yesterday if it was okay. He green-lit the idea.
13:29.43Groxkiller98gtg
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13:31.04dino82_Wow, so the legacy of the xhodocto lives on eh!
13:37.06MonetHm?
13:39.23dino82_?
13:43.40MonetI feel like I arrived in the middle of a conversation
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13:48.07MonetHi
13:48.31AdmiralPandaand I'm back
13:53.20GhelawayMonet: It was about Xhodocto cults in the Mithadorn Republic.
13:53.48MonetOh right
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13:59.33Wormy_So I'm currently watching a guy vape the Carolina Reaper pepper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L24pcL5wnLQ
14:01.30Technobliteratoroh, Wormy, I wanted to ask a fiction question
14:01.31Technobliteratoror two
14:01.41Wormy_cool
14:15.36Wormy_so the guy vapes it, then snorts the ground up pepper, and then rubs it in his eyes
14:16.35Monet2Oh lovely
14:19.09Wormy_https://youtu.be/L24pcL5wnLQ?t=4m45s
14:21.41Wormy_it literally makes him go "ermergerd"
14:23.55Wormy_the carolina reaper is half-way to be pepper spray on the scoville scale
14:26.10Wormy_Pure Capsaicin is rated at 16,000,000 units.  However Resiniferatoxin is 16,000,000,000 units, and found in a common garden weeds like Spurges.  My Grandfather accidentally ate spurges once as he stubbornly believed it to be lettuce despite warnings, and was hospitalised.
14:27.12Wormy_I can't imagine how hot that plant is, though due to its obvious toxicity I wouldn't advise it
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14:40.34Wormy_Hachiman:  Gosh this woman is annoying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvnx4M293oU
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14:45.11dino82_new Hand of hte Monarch: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ramseph_Ramcard_(Hand)Large.png
14:49.58Charles_MurrayDrodoEmpire : http://imgur.com/TYrsPYf
14:50.47DrodoEmpireOoh, I quite like that :D
14:50.55dino82_bye bye have to leave
14:51.53Charles_MurrayFour hardpoints, one nose-mounted cannon, four wing-mounted machine guns
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15:11.42MonetHi
15:14.45Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/0hxDX
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15:24.27dromForgot I haven't had visited this channel in a while!
15:24.31Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/YHAwK
15:24.37Wormy_hi
15:26.32dromI feel ashamed that I've missed lot of dicussion about recent thing here.
15:28.26dromCan I may inquire about fiction-wise events and stuff?
15:31.21Wormy_Not much happening
15:34.47Wormy_Neraida war stoof
15:34.59Wormy_I'm going to do some Da Reckoning stoof today
15:36.09Wormy_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:March_of_the_Eagles
15:37.21Wormy_drom:  You might be interested in the new Collab project
15:37.31dromHmm?
15:39.20Wormy_New universe http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki%3ASuper_Collab
15:41.25dromWormy_: Well, ain't it the same project started a little while after I left the wiki?
15:41.34Wormy_yeah
15:41.50Wormy_https://titanpad.com/hK8iu1YqBn
15:41.57Wormy_you can seethe work on it there
15:42.02Wormy_mostly homeworld stoof
15:42.57dromHeh. Homeworld
15:47.08dromWormy_: Looks like things are going well for you all.
15:47.36dromUnfortunately I lack interest in participating any projects.
15:48.07dromI've already my own, I'm already in one with other people and I've got a job (one week left on the contract though)
15:50.14dromWhat I'm mostly interested in is now; interacting with people and playing multiplayer games. Socialising with people I know.
15:53.17Wormy_What I like about the Super Collab is that we all dig in from our own knowledge and interests
15:54.19Wormy_Its sort of bottom up because we build from our own interests and give feedback to others where there is overlap, but also top down because we're building to a common theme
15:56.52dromThat is nice, Wormy_. But you all seem to have a full assembly already.
15:57.16Wormy_There's a lot to go
15:57.26dromAgain, I'm studying to be a computer engineer, so I doubt.
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15:58.32Wormy_Awesome, I too am going to be studying computer science this October, Masters level
15:58.41Wormy_Though not engineering
15:59.18Wormy_I want to specialise in visualisation, and maybe AI or agents
15:59.41Wormy_I think they also have computer vision and machine learning taught there
16:00.45Wormy_Computer science could be part of the technology section for the Collab project, though I'm not trying to encourage you back in or anything
16:02.07dromCS and CE aren't always the same thing
16:02.36dromCS involves mostly about explaining why it works and leans more to software
16:03.10dromCE involves mostly about explaining how it works and leans more to hardware. Including the knowledge about why and how the hardware works.
16:03.25dromFunny
16:04.01dromBecause I started off as a CS student, then engineering caught my curiousity. I went farther down the rabbit hole.
16:04.16dromIf I keep this up, I eventually end up at Physics
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16:19.45Wormy_I think there's both a how and a why in both CS and CE.  In the CS, the how would be in terms of mathematics, like what it means to be computable.  Though I find that stuff interesting, I probably won't take that module
16:21.29Wormy_However, its also a CE question, because you need to embody computability in terms of engineering and physics.  So there's a physics of computation counterpart to mathematics
16:24.22Wormy_Basically the Masters I'm doing gives options to study all of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science#Areas_of_computer_science
16:24.29Wormy_But I can only take a few
16:36.16dromWormy_: Same for my path, Computer Engineering.
16:36.35dromI can only pick one or two, if I can recall correctly
16:37.28dromWormy_. Again, you've more use of Science for software. Engineering for hardware and the software that interacts with hardware natively.
16:37.57Wormy_My choices are more limited because in the first semester they want me to do some basic module in programming and databases
16:38.07HachimanImpyDroid: There's a thread on /tg/ about actors for Space Marines and there were suggestions for WWE wrestlers
16:38.18dromI'd put it like this: CS is theortical, but CE is practical.
16:38.22HachimanSomebody came up with PRIMARCHIMANIA
16:38.25Wormy_In the second I can take more specialised modules, and I want to take appliked rather than theoretical
16:38.33Wormy_drom:  I agree
16:40.01dromhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_engineering#Specialty_areas
16:40.08dromI love hardware, that is why
16:41.13Tek0516Damn. This war in EU4 was going so well then I got my whole army stackwiped. >.<
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16:45.00dromImpyDroid2 Hachiman: http://imgur.com/gallery/OH1lW
16:46.43HachimanHoly shit my sides
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17:10.12Tek0516drom: Yeah, the theoretical/practical is the same overall difference I got for my programs as well.
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17:33.54Wormy_Stage has been set for the DCP-Loron battle of the century http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning/Da_Milky_Way_Front#All_or_nothing
17:35.44OluapPlayerNeat
17:35.54OluapPlayergit finishing
17:36.01Technobliterator:o
17:36.02Technobliteratorniiice
17:37.04TechnobliteratorI look forward to the finish of that
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17:51.04dino82_hi
17:51.16Treebeard|AwayHello
17:51.25OluapPlayerHi
17:51.29Monet2Hello
17:52.59TreebeardIs anyone else currently affected by the database being locked?
17:53.18OluapPlayerYes
17:53.37Tek0516The database is locked?
17:53.59OluapPlayerMeans wikia is down, give it some minutes or more
17:54.08TreebeardAlright, thanks
17:54.22Tek0516Ah, figured it meant something like that.
18:10.45Monet2When I get home I could set up the next season of the Sporewiki Games
18:13.19Charles_Murrayhttp://imgur.com/VDtHANx After a long hiatus, France is back to actively participating in the arms market ;)
18:13.19dino82_oh sporewiki games?
18:13.22dino82_Like olympics?
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18:19.33MonetMore like Hunger Games
18:28.07dino82_Oh interessting
18:28.11dino82_sounds like fun :D
18:34.43Technobliteratoroh, that's why the database was down so long
18:34.50TechnobliteratorThey had to replace a server motherboard
18:43.57dromWormy_: What we had bombs that had the power of a volcano eruption? http://i.imgur.com/j2MyyyP.mp4
18:44.00dromJust for the chills
18:44.31Wormy_Seen that, would not like to be in their shoes
18:45.59dromReplacement of a motherboard sounds like it would take one hour
18:46.09dromOr less
18:47.21dromWormy_: The ice cream drove by, bought this from them. http://i.imgur.com/RCJXMxB.jpg
18:48.00Wormy_wow you bought a whole box of ice cream from a van
18:48.10dromYes.
18:48.22dromWe get those every each Friday on summer
18:48.58Wormy_I'm jelly
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19:10.29dromWormy_: What if I told you about I ordered an other SSD and installed a Win7 VM instance on it?
19:10.53dromThen I ordered 10 USB sticks to install bootable OS images on them?
19:15.41dino82_the new military  might of RN: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:CaradhrasFleetPlanet.png
19:16.01OluapPlayerbig ship
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19:21.08The_RandomnessHello
19:21.41Technobliteratorhi random
19:23.28dino82_hi
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19:34.30MonetHello
19:35.36MonetSo some good news, Britain's FTSE indices have generally recovered from last week's shock
19:36.23The_RandomnessThat's good to hear
19:38.25MonetThe 250 index still needs to grow a bit to recover but its making good progress
19:39.29MonetThe 100 index however is 200 points higher than its pre-referendum peak
19:41.20dino82_hi monet
19:49.08MonetIt's trends like these that make me tempted to buy stocks, but I don't have £6700 spare to invest in the FTSE
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19:49.17Groxkiller98Heya.
19:49.35The_RandomnessHello
19:50.04Groxkiller98Trying to outfit my updated Teyan models.
19:50.25Groxkiller98Not going well.
19:51.26dino82_oh?
19:51.48Groxkiller98I'm not good with outfits. :|
19:53.30Groxkiller98I'd appreciate help. >_>
19:54.09Groxkiller98If you've seen the version on the wiki, you'll understand why.
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20:01.59Groxkiller98Anyone mind helping?
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20:07.20The_RandomnessI'm no good at outfits :/
20:07.40Groxkiller98Nor am I...
20:07.50Groxkiller98Xho does them well, but I'm not Xho.
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20:12.40Groxkiller98Anyone else?
20:17.47Groxkiller98:|
20:18.36Groxkiller98I'll ask the Sporum. >_>
20:22.18Groxkiller98Ah, forget it. :|
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20:41.55Groxkiller98XD
20:42.08Groxkiller98Just got the Creator achievement in the outfitter.
20:57.00Groxkiller98Gtg
20:57.02Groxkiller98Cya
20:58.10Wormy_awayWow, Wales beat Belgium in Euro cup :O
21:02.14ImpyDroidGoing to Moscow
21:02.29ImpyDroidI would make a joke about it but cannot think of one
21:16.25dromImpyDroid: Mossy cows, am I rite?
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21:45.23GD12ohai
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21:54.06Monet_2Hi GD
21:54.29Monet_2I am slow
21:55.12Tek0516Lol
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22:52.22Charles_Murraytest
22:54.32The_Randomnessyes
22:55.17dino82_recieved
23:11.14dino82_wow this is nice, found it at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kJaa1tdUQE
23:18.12Wormy_awayI just had a totAL hippy moment
23:18.21dino82_?
23:18.45Wormy_awayWent for a walk in the woods at night, well its sort of twilight being summer
23:18.58Wormy_awayI saaw the vividness of things
23:19.08dino82_oh ok haha neat
23:19.10Wormy_awayIt was like I was tripping out
23:19.33Wormy_awayJust sounds, smells, sights
23:20.05dromdino82_: I'm not a fan of crossovers, but I kinda appreciate the effort put on the CGI
23:20.18Wormy_awaythe ra\wness of reality, without fearful constructions I poir on my self
23:22.04The_RandomnessWormy_away: Sounds like you inhaled some fresh air
23:22.16Wormy_awayThis world I am so separated from
23:22.20Wormy_awayI did
23:22.31The_RandomnessYou need to be careful with that stuff
23:23.03Wormy_awayno its so much better I could inhale it all again
23:23.22Wormy_awaywhy don't we all just live in the experience
23:24.16dino82_@drom: Yeah, I liked how it played out, nto the most basic ships as well
23:24.58Wormy_awaywe're all engaged in cultural hallucination
23:25.07Wormy_awayand individual
23:25.30Wormy_awayjust a little fresh air to snort
23:27.23dromif we had more originality, that'd be great
23:27.31Wormy_awaysYcHrOnIcItY the first video I find https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7QCTkDRDB0
23:27.46dromoh, must be drowsy me talking right now
23:28.36dromAnyway. I'm urged to play Space Engineers or Starmade again with you, someday. Tek0516, Wormy_away and Monet
23:28.57Wormy_awaysure
23:29.06Wormy_awayLiquid is playing too now
23:29.32Tek0516Sorry, away from my computer today
23:30.31dromWell. I don't have Space Engineers installed yet
23:30.43dromSince I'm still working on my virtual Windows 7
23:31.16dromHaving driver issues, it BSODs everytime I start it
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