00:01.54 | Hellrock | Would anyone like to converse? |
00:02.23 | DrodoEmpire | Uh |
00:02.46 | DrodoEmpire | Well... What about? Its not exactly a Japanese tea ceremony, we can just do it |
00:03.19 | DrodoEmpire | Anything on your mind? Anything interesting you've seen? |
00:03.50 | Hellrock | Honestly, I forgot what was in my mind ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
00:04.00 | The_Randomness | I've been trying to do some planning for the collabverse, more specifically the planet that I'll end up working on once that gets going |
00:06.16 | The_Randomness | I've been trying to work out how an underground biosphere/civilization will work |
00:06.53 | DrodoEmpire | I could help with the military history of that <.< |
00:07.59 | The_Randomness | I'll hit you up on that once I get to that |
00:08.04 | Hellrock | Trees are a good start. |
00:08.20 | The_Randomness | lol |
00:08.41 | Hellrock | Wait... |
00:08.48 | Hellrock | *Trees are a good start for "that" |
00:11.31 | The_Randomness | While talking to an IRC friend of mine, we basically ruled out slavery for the most part since slave revolts would wreck your shit and also getting them is hard when every society is effectively a fortress state |
00:12.34 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
00:13.05 | The_Randomness | I'd imagine that warfare would run into some similar problems |
00:13.08 | DrodoEmpire | Such a scenario would *greatly* favour the defender- I see a lot of verticality coming in to play |
00:13.32 | The_Randomness | Verticality? |
00:13.37 | DrodoEmpire | i.e tunnelling a few dozen feet above a "fort" floor and shooting down in to it/inserting soldiers |
00:13.59 | The_Randomness | Oh, right :P |
00:14.01 | DrodoEmpire | Also battles would probably be *extremely* prolonged due to this |
00:14.13 | DrodoEmpire | Or rather sieges, which would also probably compose a huge amount of battles |
00:15.33 | The_Randomness | This is also complicated by the fact that you have very small populations and labor is much more expensive than on Earth as a result |
00:15.51 | The_Randomness | And such sieges would basically be forcefully knocking at the door |
00:16.29 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah... |
00:16.41 | DrodoEmpire | I question if organized civilization would arise at all |
00:16.45 | The_Randomness | Since the other option is trying to mine your way in, which is hard_work |
00:16.49 | DrodoEmpire | How would food production work? |
00:17.01 | The_Randomness | I still need to work on that, this is all in its early stages |
00:17.07 | DrodoEmpire | (Well yes it is hard work, but tunnelling was a common tactic in actual history_ |
00:17.13 | The_Randomness | true |
00:17.13 | Xho | Right I'll see you all layer |
00:17.14 | Xho | later |
00:17.18 | Xho | Won't be back until mid-July |
00:17.20 | DrodoEmpire | (One thing about sieges is that you have the luxury of time) |
00:17.33 | DrodoEmpire | (There've been sieges that have drug on for *years*) |
00:17.40 | Hellrock | We're still talking about the underground civilization, right? |
00:17.46 | The_Randomness | Yes |
00:20.44 | Hellrock | As for food production. |
00:20.52 | Hellrock | I've heard that subterranean farms are a possibility. |
00:21.29 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, but, with what? |
00:21.33 | DrodoEmpire | And with what technology? |
00:22.11 | DrodoEmpire | For civilization to have even a chance to arise, there needs to be a crop compatible with the climate, and one that can be produced with little or no real technology |
00:22.33 | DrodoEmpire | And for the *first* civilization, that crop must originate from a native species |
00:22.48 | Hellrock | Ah, yes. |
00:32.57 | Hellrock | G'night everyone. |
00:49.40 | The_Randomness | But yeah, this all started with me wanting to completely redo the Salsetthe and Excaretra, except this time do it right instead of bullshitting stuff |
00:50.30 | The_Randomness | I don't expect this to be easy, since I'm sure there are going to be many potentially big problems that I'll need to tackle while putting this all together |
00:51.27 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right |
00:51.31 | DrodoEmpire | Its an interesting idea for sure |
00:52.58 | The_Randomness | And on top of all of this I'll have them encounter our interstellar empire somehow, likely when they have technology that's around the level of ours |
00:53.13 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm, okay |
00:53.41 | DrodoEmpire | Though a question- why would they be subterranean in the first place? What prevents them from going above-ground? |
00:54.04 | DrodoEmpire | Thin atmosphere? |
00:54.11 | DrodoEmpire | Lack of magnetism? |
00:54.16 | The_Randomness | one sec, eating |
00:54.26 | DrodoEmpire | (Both would result in wicked-bad radiation :p) |
00:59.04 | The_Randomness | Fortunately it isn't either of those |
01:02.41 | The_Randomness | But during the day, you can expect temperatures to get to around 70C, and on top of that, there's very little life on the surface, since most of it is a barren wasteland due to some incredibly bad luck earlier in the planet's history |
01:04.21 | The_Randomness | There's some life on the planet's surface, but it's honestly not much worth mentioning |
01:08.36 | The_Randomness | They actually will have structures above ground, but it's mostly industry, solar farms, and such |
01:09.33 | The_Randomness | But this doesn't come around until they have the tech to sort of colonize the surface |
01:13.31 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, okay |
01:14.47 | dino82_ | new Rambo Nation clone troopers: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Rambo_Nation_Fighter_PilotLarge.png |
01:15.43 | DrodoEmpire | Huh cool |
01:15.55 | DrodoEmpire | Do the Rambo make clones a large part of their army? |
01:20.23 | dino82_ | yes, they are their main groudn forces as they don't have any |
01:22.04 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
01:31.51 | dino82_ | have to go bye bye |
01:32.00 | The_Randomness | bye |
02:29.21 | Wormy_F4 | bye |
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07:32.21 | The_Randomness | DrodoEmpire: got some spicy stuff cooking up now for not_Excaretra, I'll tell you about it when it isn't 2/3 AM |
07:32.37 | DrodoEmpire | Oh, oky |
07:32.39 | DrodoEmpire | *okay |
07:33.56 | The_Randomness | Been talking to this one guy again, he's got some stuff for how conflict will work/used to work there |
07:38.53 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm, okay |
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07:47.57 | The_Randomness | good morning |
07:48.08 | Charles_Murray | Good morning! |
07:48.17 | The_Randomness | dunno why I'm up at almost 3 AM |
07:48.49 | Charles_Murray | It's 10 am here in France |
07:48.55 | Charles_Murray | So still morning ;) |
07:49.09 | The_Randomness | right |
07:49.27 | Charles_Murray | Quick question |
07:49.29 | The_Randomness | sure |
07:49.33 | Charles_Murray | As long as you're here |
07:49.55 | Charles_Murray | It seems like Eco and Gorzill can't seem to make sense of the military readiness chart |
07:50.06 | Charles_Murray | I'm trying to find an easy way to explain it |
07:51.23 | The_Randomness | uh |
07:51.29 | The_Randomness | Can you link it to me again? |
07:51.37 | The_Randomness | I'll see how non-shitposty I can be |
07:53.35 | Charles_Murray | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Talven_Empire/Military |
07:54.04 | Charles_Murray | The_Randomness : http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Readiness |
07:55.31 | The_Randomness | What does the red stand for again? |
07:55.56 | Charles_Murray | Steps which haven't yet been achieved |
07:56.07 | The_Randomness | ok |
07:56.17 | The_Randomness | Yeah, no issues here |
08:00.03 | The_Randomness | It seems clear to me, even with minimal knowledge |
08:00.22 | Charles_Murray | That's good |
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09:07.49 | Treebeard | Hello |
09:13.51 | Charles_Murray | Hey |
09:20.01 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
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09:53.54 | Groxkiller98 | Heya. |
09:54.14 | Groxkiller98 | I've just finished my last college assignment. Nothing to do. :| |
09:55.04 | Groxkiller98 | Anything going on? |
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10:05.45 | Groxkiller98 | Hey, Ghelae. |
10:05.56 | Treebeard | Hello |
10:05.58 | Ghelae | Hello. |
10:07.04 | Groxkiller98 | You good? |
10:10.02 | Groxkiller98 | ...This chat is filled with awkward silences too often. |
10:13.04 | Ghelae | I'm okay; how about you? |
10:13.45 | Groxkiller98 | I'm bored... Nothing to do in college and I'll be stuck here for three-four hours. |
10:15.22 | Ghelae | When do you finish for summer? |
10:17.07 | Groxkiller98 | About a week from now. |
10:17.38 | Groxkiller98 | So we won't be getting any new assignments. |
10:18.06 | Groxkiller98 | But that also means I have like three days left, because I have no classes on monday or Tuesday. |
10:21.02 | Groxkiller98 | Anyone here part of the PAE by chance? |
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10:23.50 | Groxkiller98 | WB |
10:26.54 | Groxkiller98 | Nobody of the PAE is on? Really? :| |
10:27.32 | Ghelae | Imp and Charles are in the PAE. |
10:27.54 | Groxkiller98 | They didn't answer me. |
10:28.10 | Ghelae | Well, Charles wasn't here when you asked the first time. :P |
10:28.20 | Charles_Murray | What do you need? |
10:29.07 | Groxkiller98 | I'm thinking of throwing my lot in there. |
10:29.58 | Groxkiller98 | It'd be a terribly dumb benefit to ignore trying to join the local hyperpower. |
10:31.13 | Groxkiller98 | And it would offer the Ecumene more than 3500 new star systems in rather unexplored space. |
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10:34.41 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
10:35.03 | Treebeard | Hello |
10:37.51 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
10:38.09 | Groxkiller98 | 3500+2200+200 |
10:38.29 | Groxkiller98 | Uh... How do I activate infobot again? |
10:39.47 | Groxkiller98 | Ah, nevermind. I'll use a calculator. |
10:40.07 | Ghelae | ~3500+2200+200 |
10:40.07 | infobot | 5900 |
10:40.17 | Groxkiller98 | Oh. |
10:40.49 | Groxkiller98 | Right, so if my three empires joined the Ecumene, it would be 5900 more systems under their belt. |
10:41.01 | Ghelae | You should even be able to do it like this: |
10:41.04 | Ghelae | infobot 3500+2200+200 |
10:41.04 | infobot | 5900 |
10:41.59 | Groxkiller98 | Cool. |
10:42.21 | Treebeard | Can you msg infobot? |
10:42.29 | Groxkiller98 | Is 200 systems small for an empire that's only been around 3300 years? |
10:42.48 | Groxkiller98 | You can! |
10:42.54 | Treebeard | Not if the empire expands slowly |
10:43.05 | DrodoEmpire | Well, it should be noted that most states do not last longer than a *thousand* years |
10:43.20 | DrodoEmpire | Few last much longer than five-hundred |
10:43.47 | Groxkiller98 | Well, they're sitting inside a much larger, friendly empire that's basically propping them up. |
10:43.55 | DrodoEmpire | As for number of systems, that's more up to what sort of FTL tech they have, but if they have warp/hyperdrive, then 220 systems is indeed quite small |
10:44.14 | DrodoEmpire | Well, how did *that* nation stand for 3300+ years? :p |
10:44.26 | Groxkiller98 | The Teyan are like North Korea if the Mithadorn are China - without the nukes or communism, and such. |
10:44.39 | DrodoEmpire | I'm not saying its impossible, and I dunno what exactly this state's history is |
10:44.46 | DrodoEmpire | Actually wait |
10:45.01 | Groxkiller98 | The Mithadorn living in Wild Space as they do... A miracle. >_> |
10:45.01 | DrodoEmpire | What exactly is 3300 years? |
10:45.30 | Treebeard | It would make sense if they have a very alien culture, or longer lives than humans. |
10:45.39 | DrodoEmpire | Is the state- as in, the legislative body, 3300 years old? |
10:45.49 | Groxkiller98 | The faction is. |
10:45.57 | DrodoEmpire | Or is the culture/civilization 3300 years old, but during this time has been ruled by multiple governments? |
10:45.59 | Groxkiller98 | Not the current government. |
10:46.09 | DrodoEmpire | So the *civilization* is 3300 years ikd |
10:46.10 | DrodoEmpire | *old |
10:46.13 | Groxkiller98 | The civilisation as a whole is. |
10:46.16 | DrodoEmpire | This is a very important distinction |
10:46.16 | Groxkiller98 | Yes. |
10:46.31 | Groxkiller98 | The Teyan government is... volatile at best. |
10:46.56 | Groxkiller98 | Warrior culture + lots of guns in government + argument = Death |
10:47.25 | DrodoEmpire | Treebeard: Yeah, if the species in question lives much longer than humans, or is more inclined by nature to collectivism/living in a large group then longer-lasting societies might be common |
10:47.43 | Groxkiller98 | The Mithadorn get a new leader about every five years - Though for peaceful reasons. |
10:47.57 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
10:48.02 | Groxkiller98 | The Teyan are really volatile, all things considered. |
10:48.17 | Groxkiller98 | So the Mithadorn and Ankoran are propping them up. |
10:49.12 | Groxkiller98 | The Teyan military is more advanced than both of the larger empires. >_> |
10:49.18 | DrodoEmpire | Right, so they're propping up the current state? |
10:49.32 | Groxkiller98 | They're propping up the entire Teyan Imperium. >_> |
10:49.39 | Groxkiller98 | Not the current state alone. |
10:50.16 | Groxkiller98 | If anything, the Mithadorn and Ankoran would want new leadership for the Teyan. |
10:50.32 | Groxkiller98 | The Teyan are the only dictatorship out of the three... |
10:51.47 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mithadorn_Republic http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Teyan_Imperium_of_Andromeda http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ankoran_Empire |
10:51.58 | Groxkiller98 | Just the stats tells that much. |
10:52.25 | Groxkiller98 | I just think they're at that point where they need more than eachother. |
10:53.35 | Groxkiller98 | And the PAE are the local 'big guys'. |
10:54.11 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
10:54.53 | Groxkiller98 | Am I making sense? |
10:55.19 | DrodoEmpire | I think so |
10:55.25 | DrodoEmpire | Just a bit busy at the moment |
10:55.29 | Groxkiller98 | k |
10:56.10 | Ghelae | Is your question just: given that space colonisation began 3300 years ago, is 200 systems a small number of systems to have been colonised since then? |
10:57.24 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah. |
10:57.42 | Groxkiller98 | Well, the original one was. |
11:02.49 | Ghelae | An exceptionally simple model of colonisation is that every system, after a period of preparation time, sends out ships to colonise one other system each. This gives you a number of systems N = 2^t/T, where t is the total time and T is the preparation time. |
11:03.34 | Treebeard | How developed are these systems? (i.e. are all the planets colonized? Have mining operations been set up on all asteroid belts? Do these systems contain city planets, small settlements, or something inbetween? Have space stations been established? ...and so on.) |
11:03.57 | Groxkiller98 | Uh. Never thought that far ahead. >_. |
11:03.59 | Groxkiller98 | >_> |
11:04.08 | Groxkiller98 | I'd say highly developed. |
11:04.08 | Ghelae | We have N = 200 and t = 3300 years, so we can solve for T = t/log_2 (N) = 432 years. |
11:05.03 | Ghelae | So that's basically an average of 430 years between a colonisation ship being launched to a new planet, and that planet being developed enough to launch its own ships. |
11:06.00 | Groxkiller98 | That's slow. |
11:06.39 | Ghelae | Furthermore, that's a lower bound: once a planet's well-developed, it probably isn't going to take another 430 years to build a second colonisation ship. |
11:06.47 | Groxkiller98 | True. |
11:06.57 | DrodoEmpire | Its *possible* that such slow progress could be due to a late discovery of FTL, political turmoil, or economic downturn |
11:06.59 | Groxkiller98 | I blame the fact there are too many pirates. |
11:07.00 | DrodoEmpire | Or all three |
11:07.15 | Groxkiller98 | Too many pirates and a lack of space to claim. |
11:07.34 | DrodoEmpire | Well, you say that these people are volatile, yes? |
11:07.39 | Groxkiller98 | They -are- inside another empire for safety reasons. |
11:07.46 | Groxkiller98 | And they very much are. |
11:08.15 | Groxkiller98 | Probably sent most of their colony defences to chase pirates or something. |
11:08.16 | DrodoEmpire | Its possible that these people have spent so much time divided and unstable that few had the wish, ability, or resources to actually undergo colonization |
11:08.28 | Ghelae | Yes, volatility looks like the best explanation to me. |
11:09.08 | DrodoEmpire | Its not a coincidence that the great colonizing powers of history were also relatively stable :p |
11:09.23 | DrodoEmpire | (That and they had good geography for colonization of course) |
11:10.06 | Ghelae | A lack of FTL on its own isn't that bad: even at an average speed of 0.1c (which a fairly advanced FTL-lacking society should easily manage), 130 years can get your ship 13 ly, and that still leaves 300 years to develop and build your next ship. |
11:10.31 | DrodoEmpire | Fair enough |
11:11.05 | Groxkiller98 | Hm. Yeah, that seems reasonable. |
11:11.11 | Ghelae | However, it would exacerbate the slow progress caused by instability. |
11:11.31 | Groxkiller98 | Thus the need to be propped up? |
11:11.49 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, an unstable country may need assistance to maintain itself |
11:12.09 | DrodoEmpire | The state would likely be open to any donations if it knew what was good for it <.< |
11:12.38 | Groxkiller98 | They Teyan have a 'shoot it first, then talk if it's still alive' policy. Mostly. |
11:12.52 | Groxkiller98 | Mostly. |
11:14.29 | Groxkiller98 | I need to go. See you. |
11:17.12 | DrodoEmpire | "The Vietnamese have recruited Zhuge Liang- right out of the last Dynasty Warriors game." |
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11:55.24 | Monet | Hello |
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12:02.40 | Jepardi | Hi |
12:03.01 | DrodoEmpire | Hi there |
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12:06.17 | Groxkiller98 | Heya. |
12:09.11 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
12:10.18 | Groxkiller98 | Everyone good? |
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12:16.03 | Groxkiller98 | Hey, does anybody know of any mods that allow the use of discovered planets in a GA editor? |
12:16.08 | Hachiman | Hi |
12:16.16 | Groxkiller98 | Hey, Hachiman! |
12:19.16 | DrodoEmpire | Hi Hachi |
12:19.23 | DrodoEmpire | Nah, I don't Groxkiller |
12:19.45 | Groxkiller98 | :| |
12:22.19 | Charles_Murray | Groxkiller98 : The Ecumene would probably be glad to have you, though a thing to be aware of is that the Ecumene is itself a sovereign country |
12:22.24 | Charles_Murray | Its components aren't sovereign |
12:22.36 | Groxkiller98 | Hmm... |
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12:39.23 | Wormy_ | hi |
12:40.44 | DrodoEmpire | Hewy |
12:40.46 | DrodoEmpire | *Hey |
12:41.26 | ImpyDroid | Groxkiller98: Yeah it is basically a federation |
12:43.38 | Treebeard | ImpyDroid: Is the Ar-Klith Sky Empire active? |
12:43.59 | ImpyDroid | In the Fantasyverse? Yep |
12:44.29 | ImpyDroid | It is actually a fairly important superpower |
12:46.57 | Groxkiller98 | So, is the Ecumene like the EU, or USA? Or neither? :| |
12:47.17 | Groxkiller98 | I'm confused. |
12:48.01 | DrodoEmpire | Not sure, though I get the idea that its somewhere between the two |
12:48.05 | Treebeard | Impydroid: Do they allow non-Klaxxa to become citizens? |
12:48.47 | Groxkiller98 | What level of independence do Ecumene members operate at? |
12:49.00 | DrodoEmpire | Not sure |
12:49.02 | Groxkiller98 | Do they just do their own thing, until they're told not to? |
12:49.18 | DrodoEmpire | Charles_Murray ImpyDroid explain for him? |
12:50.27 | Charles_Murray | USA |
12:51.08 | Charles_Murray | They're components of the larger whole and have no independent foreign policy, though they have militaries if memory serves |
12:51.16 | Groxkiller98 | So the Mithadorn would be like a state? |
12:53.42 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
12:53.59 | Groxkiller98 | Hm. I'm not so sure then. |
12:54.29 | Groxkiller98 | The right to keep the military would be nice, but I'm pretty sure the Mithadorn would get in trouble fast. |
12:54.52 | Groxkiller98 | There's a couple factions they'd shoot at regardless of if they're told they can't. |
13:01.26 | Groxkiller98 | Also, there's the whole Xhodocto worshipping cults issue. >_> |
13:02.39 | Groxkiller98 | Would that be an issue? |
13:03.13 | Hachiman | They could just be secret |
13:03.19 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh, I dunno |
13:03.37 | ImpyDroid | Treebeard: Non-Klaxxa yes, but likely without full citizenship rights |
13:03.46 | DrodoEmpire | I can picture them being especially violent, pernicious terrorists |
13:04.16 | Groxkiller98 | It's something the Republic is having fights over. |
13:04.43 | Groxkiller98 | There's the 'freedom of religion' argument, and the 'these assholes are murdering people' argument. |
13:05.53 | DrodoEmpire | I figure most liberal democracies would allow people to worship privately but target violent groups |
13:05.53 | Groxkiller98 | By the by, I did get Xho to clear up for me that it's okay to mention them. |
13:06.08 | DrodoEmpire | Other nations may not be so forgiving or libertarian about it |
13:06.10 | Treebeard | ImpyDroid: Is there any way to get full citizenship rights? |
13:07.15 | Hachiman | Well, the Klaxxa are based on old Brits so |
13:07.19 | Hachiman | Not very hopeful chances |
13:07.45 | DrodoEmpire | ehh, no, the British would award foreigners citizenship :p |
13:08.12 | DrodoEmpire | They ruled a world empire, they couldn't quite afford to be xenophobic |
13:08.20 | DrodoEmpire | Or xenophobic by the standards of the time |
13:09.41 | Groxkiller98 | Yeah. |
13:10.05 | Groxkiller98 | Now our xenophobic party won something. T_T |
13:10.15 | Treebeard | Are there any powerful nations that do allow foreigners to gain citizenship? |
13:10.15 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
13:11.45 | Groxkiller98 | America does. |
13:11.51 | Groxkiller98 | Not sure on Russia. |
13:12.01 | Groxkiller98 | China doesn't recognise it though. |
13:12.06 | Treebeard | (In the fantasyverse) |
13:12.28 | Groxkiller98 | Oh... |
13:12.35 | Groxkiller98 | *Facepalms* |
13:12.48 | Groxkiller98 | No idea then - I stay out of the Fantasyverse. |
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13:13.16 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
13:13.21 | Treebeard | Hello |
13:13.22 | Hachiman | Hi |
13:13.29 | Groxkiller98 | Hai. |
13:13.31 | AdmiralPanda | anyone here played Guild Wars 2? |
13:13.34 | AdmiralPanda | aside from Imp |
13:13.58 | Hachiman | Treebeard: Well, most of them are based on pre- or post-Medieval societies and cultures which were rife with racism |
13:14.39 | Groxkiller98 | I played GW1 |
13:14.50 | Groxkiller98 | Not played GW2 though. |
13:15.01 | Groxkiller98 | Is it the same universe by chance? |
13:15.09 | DrodoEmpire | I suppose the nation you're going to be best-able to integrate in to would be mine, which is Halifaxia |
13:15.25 | DrodoEmpire | They're a city-state based around trade, and they value individual rights and merit |
13:15.29 | Hachiman | Which isn't a superpower hur |
13:15.37 | DrodoEmpire | No, its regional for sure |
13:15.59 | DrodoEmpire | Just wait until they get colonies... <.< |
13:16.44 | Treebeard | Are they to the East or West of the Polar Lands? |
13:16.58 | DrodoEmpire | West I believe |
13:17.21 | ImpyDroid | Treebeard: Hm |
13:17.42 | ImpyDroid | A Kelodhros might get full citizenship rights |
13:17.57 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mithadorn_Republic#Culture |
13:17.59 | Groxkiller98 | ^_^ |
13:18.20 | Groxkiller98 | I'll need to catch Xho at some point and thank him for letting my mention the Xhodocto. |
13:18.58 | Groxkiller98 | me* |
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13:19.08 | dino82_ | hi |
13:19.19 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
13:19.26 | Treebeard | Hello |
13:19.40 | Groxkiller98 | Those cults, though... They're going to cause political issues, I can foresee. |
13:19.48 | Groxkiller98 | They're clearly noty |
13:19.57 | Groxkiller98 | not going to be a 'shining point'. |
13:19.57 | DrodoEmpire | Hey dinO! |
13:20.01 | DrodoEmpire | *Dino! |
13:20.24 | dino82_ | howz all doing! |
13:20.37 | DrodoEmpire | I'm good! You? |
13:21.38 | Groxkiller98 | Not bad. Yourself? |
13:24.10 | dino82_ | Great to hear! Me as well, thanks! |
13:25.42 | Groxkiller98 | My Mithadorn now have Xhodocto worshipping cults. :P |
13:26.07 | Groxkiller98 | Totally gonna have the Mithadorn looked at funny. >_> |
13:26.17 | dino82_ | @Grox: Oh? |
13:26.28 | Groxkiller98 | "Is that guy worshipping an Xhodocto? Get out!" :P |
13:26.54 | Groxkiller98 | I asked Xho yesterday if it was okay. He green-lit the idea. |
13:29.43 | Groxkiller98 | gtg |
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13:31.04 | dino82_ | Wow, so the legacy of the xhodocto lives on eh! |
13:37.06 | Monet | Hm? |
13:39.23 | dino82_ | ? |
13:43.40 | Monet | I feel like I arrived in the middle of a conversation |
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13:48.07 | Monet | Hi |
13:48.31 | AdmiralPanda | and I'm back |
13:53.20 | Ghelaway | Monet: It was about Xhodocto cults in the Mithadorn Republic. |
13:53.48 | Monet | Oh right |
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13:59.33 | Wormy_ | So I'm currently watching a guy vape the Carolina Reaper pepper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L24pcL5wnLQ |
14:01.30 | Technobliterator | oh, Wormy, I wanted to ask a fiction question |
14:01.31 | Technobliterator | or two |
14:01.41 | Wormy_ | cool |
14:15.36 | Wormy_ | so the guy vapes it, then snorts the ground up pepper, and then rubs it in his eyes |
14:16.35 | Monet2 | Oh lovely |
14:19.09 | Wormy_ | https://youtu.be/L24pcL5wnLQ?t=4m45s |
14:21.41 | Wormy_ | it literally makes him go "ermergerd" |
14:23.55 | Wormy_ | the carolina reaper is half-way to be pepper spray on the scoville scale |
14:26.10 | Wormy_ | Pure Capsaicin is rated at 16,000,000 units. However Resiniferatoxin is 16,000,000,000 units, and found in a common garden weeds like Spurges. My Grandfather accidentally ate spurges once as he stubbornly believed it to be lettuce despite warnings, and was hospitalised. |
14:27.12 | Wormy_ | I can't imagine how hot that plant is, though due to its obvious toxicity I wouldn't advise it |
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14:40.34 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: Gosh this woman is annoying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvnx4M293oU |
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14:45.11 | dino82_ | new Hand of hte Monarch: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ramseph_Ramcard_(Hand)Large.png |
14:49.58 | Charles_Murray | DrodoEmpire : http://imgur.com/TYrsPYf |
14:50.47 | DrodoEmpire | Ooh, I quite like that :D |
14:50.55 | dino82_ | bye bye have to leave |
14:51.53 | Charles_Murray | Four hardpoints, one nose-mounted cannon, four wing-mounted machine guns |
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15:11.42 | Monet | Hi |
15:14.45 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/0hxDX |
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15:24.27 | drom | Forgot I haven't had visited this channel in a while! |
15:24.31 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/YHAwK |
15:24.37 | Wormy_ | hi |
15:26.32 | drom | I feel ashamed that I've missed lot of dicussion about recent thing here. |
15:28.26 | drom | Can I may inquire about fiction-wise events and stuff? |
15:31.21 | Wormy_ | Not much happening |
15:34.47 | Wormy_ | Neraida war stoof |
15:34.59 | Wormy_ | I'm going to do some Da Reckoning stoof today |
15:36.09 | Wormy_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:March_of_the_Eagles |
15:37.21 | Wormy_ | drom: You might be interested in the new Collab project |
15:37.31 | drom | Hmm? |
15:39.20 | Wormy_ | New universe http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki%3ASuper_Collab |
15:41.25 | drom | Wormy_: Well, ain't it the same project started a little while after I left the wiki? |
15:41.34 | Wormy_ | yeah |
15:41.50 | Wormy_ | https://titanpad.com/hK8iu1YqBn |
15:41.57 | Wormy_ | you can seethe work on it there |
15:42.02 | Wormy_ | mostly homeworld stoof |
15:42.57 | drom | Heh. Homeworld |
15:47.08 | drom | Wormy_: Looks like things are going well for you all. |
15:47.36 | drom | Unfortunately I lack interest in participating any projects. |
15:48.07 | drom | I've already my own, I'm already in one with other people and I've got a job (one week left on the contract though) |
15:50.14 | drom | What I'm mostly interested in is now; interacting with people and playing multiplayer games. Socialising with people I know. |
15:53.17 | Wormy_ | What I like about the Super Collab is that we all dig in from our own knowledge and interests |
15:54.19 | Wormy_ | Its sort of bottom up because we build from our own interests and give feedback to others where there is overlap, but also top down because we're building to a common theme |
15:56.52 | drom | That is nice, Wormy_. But you all seem to have a full assembly already. |
15:57.16 | Wormy_ | There's a lot to go |
15:57.26 | drom | Again, I'm studying to be a computer engineer, so I doubt. |
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15:58.32 | Wormy_ | Awesome, I too am going to be studying computer science this October, Masters level |
15:58.41 | Wormy_ | Though not engineering |
15:59.18 | Wormy_ | I want to specialise in visualisation, and maybe AI or agents |
15:59.41 | Wormy_ | I think they also have computer vision and machine learning taught there |
16:00.45 | Wormy_ | Computer science could be part of the technology section for the Collab project, though I'm not trying to encourage you back in or anything |
16:02.07 | drom | CS and CE aren't always the same thing |
16:02.36 | drom | CS involves mostly about explaining why it works and leans more to software |
16:03.10 | drom | CE involves mostly about explaining how it works and leans more to hardware. Including the knowledge about why and how the hardware works. |
16:03.25 | drom | Funny |
16:04.01 | drom | Because I started off as a CS student, then engineering caught my curiousity. I went farther down the rabbit hole. |
16:04.16 | drom | If I keep this up, I eventually end up at Physics |
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16:19.45 | Wormy_ | I think there's both a how and a why in both CS and CE. In the CS, the how would be in terms of mathematics, like what it means to be computable. Though I find that stuff interesting, I probably won't take that module |
16:21.29 | Wormy_ | However, its also a CE question, because you need to embody computability in terms of engineering and physics. So there's a physics of computation counterpart to mathematics |
16:24.22 | Wormy_ | Basically the Masters I'm doing gives options to study all of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science#Areas_of_computer_science |
16:24.29 | Wormy_ | But I can only take a few |
16:36.16 | drom | Wormy_: Same for my path, Computer Engineering. |
16:36.35 | drom | I can only pick one or two, if I can recall correctly |
16:37.28 | drom | Wormy_. Again, you've more use of Science for software. Engineering for hardware and the software that interacts with hardware natively. |
16:37.57 | Wormy_ | My choices are more limited because in the first semester they want me to do some basic module in programming and databases |
16:38.07 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: There's a thread on /tg/ about actors for Space Marines and there were suggestions for WWE wrestlers |
16:38.18 | drom | I'd put it like this: CS is theortical, but CE is practical. |
16:38.22 | Hachiman | Somebody came up with PRIMARCHIMANIA |
16:38.25 | Wormy_ | In the second I can take more specialised modules, and I want to take appliked rather than theoretical |
16:38.33 | Wormy_ | drom: I agree |
16:40.01 | drom | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_engineering#Specialty_areas |
16:40.08 | drom | I love hardware, that is why |
16:41.13 | Tek0516 | Damn. This war in EU4 was going so well then I got my whole army stackwiped. >.< |
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16:45.00 | drom | ImpyDroid2 Hachiman: http://imgur.com/gallery/OH1lW |
16:46.43 | Hachiman | Holy shit my sides |
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17:10.12 | Tek0516 | drom: Yeah, the theoretical/practical is the same overall difference I got for my programs as well. |
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17:33.54 | Wormy_ | Stage has been set for the DCP-Loron battle of the century http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning/Da_Milky_Way_Front#All_or_nothing |
17:35.44 | OluapPlayer | Neat |
17:35.54 | OluapPlayer | git finishing |
17:36.01 | Technobliterator | :o |
17:36.02 | Technobliterator | niiice |
17:37.04 | Technobliterator | I look forward to the finish of that |
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17:51.04 | dino82_ | hi |
17:51.16 | Treebeard|Away | Hello |
17:51.25 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
17:51.29 | Monet2 | Hello |
17:52.59 | Treebeard | Is anyone else currently affected by the database being locked? |
17:53.18 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
17:53.37 | Tek0516 | The database is locked? |
17:53.59 | OluapPlayer | Means wikia is down, give it some minutes or more |
17:54.08 | Treebeard | Alright, thanks |
17:54.22 | Tek0516 | Ah, figured it meant something like that. |
18:10.45 | Monet2 | When I get home I could set up the next season of the Sporewiki Games |
18:13.19 | Charles_Murray | http://imgur.com/VDtHANx After a long hiatus, France is back to actively participating in the arms market ;) |
18:13.19 | dino82_ | oh sporewiki games? |
18:13.22 | dino82_ | Like olympics? |
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18:19.33 | Monet | More like Hunger Games |
18:28.07 | dino82_ | Oh interessting |
18:28.11 | dino82_ | sounds like fun :D |
18:34.43 | Technobliterator | oh, that's why the database was down so long |
18:34.50 | Technobliterator | They had to replace a server motherboard |
18:43.57 | drom | Wormy_: What we had bombs that had the power of a volcano eruption? http://i.imgur.com/j2MyyyP.mp4 |
18:44.00 | drom | Just for the chills |
18:44.31 | Wormy_ | Seen that, would not like to be in their shoes |
18:45.59 | drom | Replacement of a motherboard sounds like it would take one hour |
18:46.09 | drom | Or less |
18:47.21 | drom | Wormy_: The ice cream drove by, bought this from them. http://i.imgur.com/RCJXMxB.jpg |
18:48.00 | Wormy_ | wow you bought a whole box of ice cream from a van |
18:48.10 | drom | Yes. |
18:48.22 | drom | We get those every each Friday on summer |
18:48.58 | Wormy_ | I'm jelly |
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19:10.29 | drom | Wormy_: What if I told you about I ordered an other SSD and installed a Win7 VM instance on it? |
19:10.53 | drom | Then I ordered 10 USB sticks to install bootable OS images on them? |
19:15.41 | dino82_ | the new military might of RN: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:CaradhrasFleetPlanet.png |
19:16.01 | OluapPlayer | big ship |
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19:21.08 | The_Randomness | Hello |
19:21.41 | Technobliterator | hi random |
19:23.28 | dino82_ | hi |
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19:34.30 | Monet | Hello |
19:35.36 | Monet | So some good news, Britain's FTSE indices have generally recovered from last week's shock |
19:36.23 | The_Randomness | That's good to hear |
19:38.25 | Monet | The 250 index still needs to grow a bit to recover but its making good progress |
19:39.29 | Monet | The 100 index however is 200 points higher than its pre-referendum peak |
19:41.20 | dino82_ | hi monet |
19:49.08 | Monet | It's trends like these that make me tempted to buy stocks, but I don't have £6700 spare to invest in the FTSE |
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19:49.17 | Groxkiller98 | Heya. |
19:49.35 | The_Randomness | Hello |
19:50.04 | Groxkiller98 | Trying to outfit my updated Teyan models. |
19:50.25 | Groxkiller98 | Not going well. |
19:51.26 | dino82_ | oh? |
19:51.48 | Groxkiller98 | I'm not good with outfits. :| |
19:53.30 | Groxkiller98 | I'd appreciate help. >_> |
19:54.09 | Groxkiller98 | If you've seen the version on the wiki, you'll understand why. |
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20:01.59 | Groxkiller98 | Anyone mind helping? |
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20:07.20 | The_Randomness | I'm no good at outfits :/ |
20:07.40 | Groxkiller98 | Nor am I... |
20:07.50 | Groxkiller98 | Xho does them well, but I'm not Xho. |
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20:12.40 | Groxkiller98 | Anyone else? |
20:17.47 | Groxkiller98 | :| |
20:18.36 | Groxkiller98 | I'll ask the Sporum. >_> |
20:22.18 | Groxkiller98 | Ah, forget it. :| |
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20:41.55 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
20:42.08 | Groxkiller98 | Just got the Creator achievement in the outfitter. |
20:57.00 | Groxkiller98 | Gtg |
20:57.02 | Groxkiller98 | Cya |
20:58.10 | Wormy_away | Wow, Wales beat Belgium in Euro cup :O |
21:02.14 | ImpyDroid | Going to Moscow |
21:02.29 | ImpyDroid | I would make a joke about it but cannot think of one |
21:16.25 | drom | ImpyDroid: Mossy cows, am I rite? |
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21:45.23 | GD12 | ohai |
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21:54.06 | Monet_2 | Hi GD |
21:54.29 | Monet_2 | I am slow |
21:55.12 | Tek0516 | Lol |
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22:20.46 | dino82_ | bbl |
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22:52.22 | Charles_Murray | test |
22:54.32 | The_Randomness | yes |
22:55.17 | dino82_ | recieved |
23:11.14 | dino82_ | wow this is nice, found it at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kJaa1tdUQE |
23:18.12 | Wormy_away | I just had a totAL hippy moment |
23:18.21 | dino82_ | ? |
23:18.45 | Wormy_away | Went for a walk in the woods at night, well its sort of twilight being summer |
23:18.58 | Wormy_away | I saaw the vividness of things |
23:19.08 | dino82_ | oh ok haha neat |
23:19.10 | Wormy_away | It was like I was tripping out |
23:19.33 | Wormy_away | Just sounds, smells, sights |
23:20.05 | drom | dino82_: I'm not a fan of crossovers, but I kinda appreciate the effort put on the CGI |
23:20.18 | Wormy_away | the ra\wness of reality, without fearful constructions I poir on my self |
23:22.04 | The_Randomness | Wormy_away: Sounds like you inhaled some fresh air |
23:22.16 | Wormy_away | This world I am so separated from |
23:22.20 | Wormy_away | I did |
23:22.31 | The_Randomness | You need to be careful with that stuff |
23:23.03 | Wormy_away | no its so much better I could inhale it all again |
23:23.22 | Wormy_away | why don't we all just live in the experience |
23:24.16 | dino82_ | @drom: Yeah, I liked how it played out, nto the most basic ships as well |
23:24.58 | Wormy_away | we're all engaged in cultural hallucination |
23:25.07 | Wormy_away | and individual |
23:25.30 | Wormy_away | just a little fresh air to snort |
23:27.23 | drom | if we had more originality, that'd be great |
23:27.31 | Wormy_away | sYcHrOnIcItY the first video I find https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7QCTkDRDB0 |
23:27.46 | drom | oh, must be drowsy me talking right now |
23:28.36 | drom | Anyway. I'm urged to play Space Engineers or Starmade again with you, someday. Tek0516, Wormy_away and Monet |
23:28.57 | Wormy_away | sure |
23:29.06 | Wormy_away | Liquid is playing too now |
23:29.32 | Tek0516 | Sorry, away from my computer today |
23:30.31 | drom | Well. I don't have Space Engineers installed yet |
23:30.43 | drom | Since I'm still working on my virtual Windows 7 |
23:31.16 | drom | Having driver issues, it BSODs everytime I start it |
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